On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:33 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Feb 27, 2006, at 1:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:



What about texts that require a certain level or state of

consciousness to even grok?


Sometimes there's more to the text than meets the eye. :-)



Indeed. The claim that a book can only be "understood"

by a few might, in fact, mask an attempt by those "few"

to manipulate others.  :-)



And indeed it does. That's why some texts are sealed by 

the beings who communicate them.



Whatever floats your boat.


I'm not saying that such a thing isn't possible.

All I'm suggesting is that, given the long, 

sordid history of spirituality on this rock,

it's just as possible that claims of a book's

specialness are a way of attracting followers

whose greatest desire is to feel "special" to

those who claim to have "special" knowledge

of "special" books.


Yeah, that's a given because it clearly has. One only has to remember the Christian liturgy and bible which was encoded in Latin and dispensed to the unknowing masses. Destroy the Gnosis and we, the priest, will mediate for you. Just keep sending money.

It's interesting in Sanskrit literature it is said that it is only in the Kali Yuga, 'when the minds of men began to wane' that writing appeared. Writing is therefore an artifact of the age of darkness. Some traditions do not even consider written texts to be worthy of repetition. Having met a number of yogis who had photographic memory I can understand how this is possible even though epic poets and bards are hard to find these days. Also NOT having photographic memory myself, I can see why writing is important. But while either the oral or written can create exclusive priesthoods, in history it was the written word which allowed for codification, dogma and control--the Aryans "capture" of Dravidian texts in the artificial language of Sanskrit is but one example. 

The question seems to me is 'which is more capable of producing Gnosis for a given person?' The importance of "ear-whispered tradition" thus remains important--the morphogenetic field of living tradition: only "alive" when it is alive in us.


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