[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
There is a presumption in TM that one needs a mantra in order to meditate, that a word (meaningless or otherwise) is needed to be repeated in order to adjust the mind towards transcending. I propose that the mantra is not only not necessary, but that its function is other than its stated purpose. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. Premanand: It appears that the prime use of a bija mantra is to invoke a particular 'god' or 'goddess'... According to Swami Sivananda Radha, the oldest and most enduring form of mantric identification is the process called 'bhutasuddhi', or the purification of the elements, an almost universal use of mantra by man since antiquity up to and including modern people. This mantric rite is almost obligatory on every person the world over, and is actually a step-by-step merger with the subtle elementary sources of earth, light, sight, touch, smell, taste, and cognition of what we humans call Home and Hearth... Swami Ageananda, an authority on the Tantric Tradition, states that the mono-syllabel 'OM' isn't mentioned in the Rig Veda. Works cited: 'Mantras' By Swami Sivananda Radha Timeless Books, 1994 p. 198 'The Tantric Tradition' By Swami Ageananda Bharati Rider, 1965 p. 111 Read more: From: Willytex Subject: Mantra v. 10.2 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: May 7, 2002 http://tinyurl.com/yeehb93
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: There is a presumption in TM that one needs a mantra in order to meditate, that a word (meaningless or otherwise) is needed to be repeated in order to adjust the mind towards transcending. I propose that the mantra is not only not necessary, but that its function is other than its stated purpose. Absolutely. The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. Meditation -- which is essentially nothing more (nor less) than the stopping of thought -- is nothing more (nor less) than the practice of shifting one's focus. The silence -- the absence of thought -- is always there; nothing needs to be done to achieve it but to put one's focus there. But some have so little ability *to* focus that they need to be trained to focus on something *else* for a while. The purpose of this, IMO, is to reveal to them that they actually have the *ability* to shift focus. Once that possibility has been established experientially, the silence is revealed as having always already been present. Some, having realized this, realize also that the magic mantra was no more magical than Dumbo's magic feather, and lose their attachment to it. Others cling to the notion of the magic mantra even more tightly. The former are called meditators. The latter are called suckers. Examine your beliefs about mantras; they reveal what group you're in. Just my opinion...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Miss Iowa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Guess what superpower she would like to have? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyjXr1hNU_Ifeature=related Gotta comment on this because John's take on it reveals IMO a great deal about the mindset -- and the reality -- of TMers and the TM movement. More than *any* spiritual organization or movement I have encountered, I have found that TMer are the most hung up on gaining powers. It's as if, as a group, they feel so insignificant and power- less that the thing they want the most is to be considered significant and powerful. And how did they choose to achieve this? By sign- ing on as followers of a cult leader who told them (as long as they kept giving him money) how signif- icant and powerful they were. While demonstrating clearly by who he chose to have around him as his closest students that the only people *he* valued were those who were *already* significant and/or powerful, and from home he could suck either publicity or money. The ultimate example of this, of course, are the Rajas. The rest? The vast majority who became his followers, in search of significance and power? He relegated them to the lowest levels of his organization so as to constantly remind them how insignificant and powerless they really were. There is a certain irony in this. Realizing it and laughing at how much of a doofus one was to fall for it is probably a greatera spiritual attainment than any siddhi.
[FairfieldLife] FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
There is a phrase one runs across from time to time, an embarrassment of riches. I don't know about anyone else, but having logged off early in the posting day yesterday to go out and...uh...actually be with someone I love on Valentine's Day and do fun things, it was quite a shock to skim through what was posted after I left. Same old topics, trotted out by the same old angry people as if they should receive the same old attention. A couple of them went into actual meltdowns trying to start fights. An embarrassment of poverty. Poor in intellect, poor in spirit, and above all poor in love. Especially on a day devoted to it. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The jig is up! Phil Jones confesses!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: the Daily Mail, has taken another body blow with the paper publishing a false story claiming that Phil Jones had admitted that there had been no global warming since 1995. The original interview with Jones is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8511670.stm I really do believe it is an extraordinary interview. It's not just some of things that Jones says, it's also the fact that it is a story carried by the BBC and by Roger Harrabin of all people. The times they are a changin'. This is one of the questions: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming His answer? Yes, he DOES agree. So, quite simply, this is NOT (in this respect) a false story. He adds to this by stating that any warming signal in this period is not statistically significant, just as any cooling from 2002 is not statistically significant. It might not be too far off the mark then to say that temperatures from 1995 have been pretty flat (according to Jones). As I recall, when I mentioned something to this effect a year or so ago, Do-reflex appeared to think I was so batty I must have just dropped in from Mars... This was enormously significant too: Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical? Although he huffs and puffs a bit, the answer is again yes, he does agree. Why is that so significant? Well it brings to the surface something that is not widely acknowledged in the media: In all the glib talk of consensus, one fact that IS generally accepted by climate scientists is that a warming period began after the end of the mini ice age (ie 1860 or so) and BEFORE industrial and post-industrial societies had had a chance to puff out too much CO2. So here he is confirming this. If warming was occurring in 1860, then this suggests that any CO2 component of warming in recent times is likely to be a forcing superimposed on an underlying warming trend (which we don't really understand). This means that attempting to evaluate empirically (scientifically) the CO2 component in the data we have (which is turning out to be very limited and of dubious quality anyway) becomes a fiendishly tricky and complex task. Possibly impossible. And certainly not possible to the degree that warmists are fond of claiming. Of course you may think CO2 induced climate change is true *a priori*. But if you do so, it's hardly reasonable of you to claim the rational and scientific high ground, is it? To bandy about phrases such as flat earthers and deniers for those who have less faith in your *a priori* methodology? Or again you may think that facts about glaciers and polar bears etc are the experimental proof for the CO2 conjecture. But all such talk looks suspiciously like modus morons! Viz: If P is True, Q will be the case Q is true Therefore P is true The error is in the first statement, which for global warmers needs to be modified to: Only if P is True, Q will be the case And that's where the events of 1860 (or the medieval warm period) assume their significance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
patanjali is the creator of the real siddhi program, patanjali golden dome, not maharishi golden dome... krishna is the creator of transcendental meditation, the song of god-gita not the song of maharishi. maharishi is the middle man and as it is known among the wise to get the real deal you need to eliminate the middle man...you don't seem to have decent critical thinking skills, reading skills or the desire to understand truth which is standard tmo, -the middle man sold you down the river --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from... nadarrombus: patanjali states the bija om is the mantra which is used... Patanjali mentions the 'pranava', but does not state that it is 'om'. AUM is not, stictly speaking, a 'bija' mantra. AUM isn't mentioned in the Yoga Sutras nor in the Rig Veda. So, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'TM' bija mantras and where they came from. snip maharishi translated and made commentaries changing the sanskrit to english according to his preference Vernon Katz made the translation and they seem to be pretty standard. I've compared Katz's translation with Swami Prabhupada's word for word translations and they are near the same. There are some question that are not answered in Patanjalis' Yoga Sutra. For example, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. maharishi didn't want tm people to read the vedic literature in english... The Maharishi, with help from Vernon Katz, translated the Bhagavad Gita into English. In the Maharishi's TM-Sidhi Program, Patanjali's 'flying sutra' is repeated in English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
i think if you say or hear om properly you will be hearing or saying the hum of life. you could also think it properly and experience the source of life... agni -inga aing aima shyama shiring shreem kring and so on -whatever- the point is yoga the sutras of patanjali and bhagavad gita mention om as the source of all sounds and extol its use, the other bijas, tantric gods to fetch favor, maharishi thought were better because of course god and the founder of yoga needed his holiness to straighten things out, ha...like jesus needs a pope freakin ignorant... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
patanjai wrote the sutras read them, they explain the whole universe where it all comes from and goes, easy concise- to the point practical and of course beyond the average human being. why -cause it feels to good to give up being ignorant. the perks, being more right than others, knowing they will burn in th eternal lake of guru devs fire for not following maharishi. its just to darn fun... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nadarrombus royboyun...@... wrote: patanjali is the creator of the real siddhi program, patanjali golden dome, not maharishi golden dome... krishna is the creator of transcendental meditation, the song of god-gita not the song of maharishi. maharishi is the middle man and as it is known among the wise to get the real deal you need to eliminate the middle man...you don't seem to have decent critical thinking skills, reading skills or the desire to understand truth which is standard tmo, -the middle man sold you down the river --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from... nadarrombus: patanjali states the bija om is the mantra which is used... Patanjali mentions the 'pranava', but does not state that it is 'om'. AUM is not, stictly speaking, a 'bija' mantra. AUM isn't mentioned in the Yoga Sutras nor in the Rig Veda. So, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'TM' bija mantras and where they came from. snip maharishi translated and made commentaries changing the sanskrit to english according to his preference Vernon Katz made the translation and they seem to be pretty standard. I've compared Katz's translation with Swami Prabhupada's word for word translations and they are near the same. There are some question that are not answered in Patanjalis' Yoga Sutra. For example, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. maharishi didn't want tm people to read the vedic literature in english... The Maharishi, with help from Vernon Katz, translated the Bhagavad Gita into English. In the Maharishi's TM-Sidhi Program, Patanjali's 'flying sutra' is repeated in English.
[FairfieldLife] Jones: His job is to organise data, but he's not very good with data
On the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8513000/8513893.stm Harrabin: Nothing (in Climategate that I've seen) challenges the mainstream view of science...[a few seconds later]...but it is calling into question in many people's minds the fundamentals of the science itself. That's OK then? Mainstream = sound, fundamentals = wobbly? Harrabin: But calling people flat-earthers deniers will change
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
On Feb 15, 2010, at 6:41 AM, nadarrombus wrote: patanjali is the creator of the real siddhi program, patanjali golden dome, not maharishi golden dome... krishna is the creator of transcendental meditation, the song of god-gita not the song of maharishi. maharishi is the middle man and as it is known among the wise to get the real deal you need to eliminate the middle man...you don't seem to have decent critical thinking skills, reading skills or the desire to understand truth which is standard tmo, -the middle man sold you down the river That's our Little Willy.
[FairfieldLife] How High the Moon
Les Paul tribute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfhxyZ5PcJU see also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ffdwBUL78feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: There is a presumption in TM that one needs a mantra in order to meditate, that a word (meaningless or otherwise) is needed to be repeated in order to adjust the mind towards transcending. I propose that the mantra is not only not necessary, but that its function is other than its stated purpose. I wanted to comment again on this post for two reasons. The first is commend Paul on having stated his opinion so concisely. The second is to point out that it *is* an opinion, as was my followup post agreeing with it. There is a difference in my mind between stating one's opinion and trying to start an argument. I made three posts this morning (my time) over coffee. ALL were opinion -- nothing more, nothing less. My suspicion is that some here will attempt to turn them into arguments. This is fair notice that in doing so, they will be pissing into the wind, and thus exposing themselves to needless spatter. :-) Paul's original post will be seen as provocative by some who are...uh...attached to the TM dogma, as will be my reply. But if they choose to *react* to the perceived provocations as if they *have* to be provoked, or as if it's somehow noble *to* be provoked (especially if they turn it into an ad hominem fest), I'm sorry but that's their issue, not mine. I *did* my thing. I stated my opinion. If someone has a different opinion, they are more than entitled to express it. If they can do so without ad hominem and without an obvious attempt to provoke an argument, more power to them...they have my respect and admir- ation. If they do it interestingly enough, they might also have my participation in followup discussions. If, on the other hand, all they see in my opinions, or in Paul's, is one more opportunity to provoke an argument and suck as many people as possible into it, I merely feel sorry for them, and will allow them to do so while covered in piss of their own making.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There has been no global warming since 1995
Daily Mail caught in another lie Following the heels of the Rosegate http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/01/rosegate.php scandal http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/01/rosegate_scandal_grows.php where journalist David Rose was exposed http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/01/rosegate_scandal_still_growing.\ php as a serial quote fabricator http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/01/rosegate_david_rose_caught_mis.\ php , the credibility of Rose's newspaper, the Daily Mail, has taken another body blow with the paper publishing a false story http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Asto\ nishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised\ .html?ITO=1490#ixzz0fU76jgm6 claiming that Phil Jones had admitted that there had been no global warming since 1995. This is false (see graph below) and Jones made no such admission. Michael Tobis has the details on the Daily Mail's dishonesty http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2010/02/journalism.html . [gisstempfiga.png] http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20100121/ Ever gullible Tim Blair, of course, swallowed the lie http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegra\ ph/comments/cool_change , hook, line and sinker. Andrew Bolt will do doubt follow if he gets his voice back http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/02/bolt_speechless.php . http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/02/daily_mail_caught_in_another_l.p\ hp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Aston\ ishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.\ html http://tinyurl.com/yb2loyt Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995 By Jonathan Petrehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=yauthornamef=Jonath\ an+Petre Last updated at 5:12 PM on 14th February 2010 - Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing - There has been no global warming since 1995 - Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes The academic at the centre of the `Climategate' affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble `keeping track' of the information. Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers. Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is `not as good as it should be'. The data is crucial to the famous `hockey stick graph' used by climate change advocates to support the theory. Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon. And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no `statistically significant' warming. The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made. Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data. The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions. Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of `scientific fraud' for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics. Discussing the interview, the BBC's environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying. Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC's website, said the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature change. That material has been used to produce the `hockey stick graph' which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent decades. According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said `his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account
[FairfieldLife] Daniel Siegel in Boston
Daniel Siegel atMIT'sDalai Lama Center for Ethics and Transformative Valueshttp://thecenter.mit.edu/events/upcoming/From Me to We: A New Look at Resilience and Well-BeingA Talk by Daniel SiegelFriday, March 19th 7:30 pm - 9:00 pmKresge Auditorium, 48 Massachusetts Avenue(Event is open to public. Registration Required)Click here for registration.Dan Siegel received his medical degree from Harvard University and completed his postgraduate medical education at UCLA with training in pediatrics and child, adolescent and adult psychiatry. He served as a National Institute of Mental Health Research Fellow at UCLA, studying family interactions with an emphasis on how attachment experiences influence emotions, behavior, autobiographical memory and narrative. An award-winning educator, Dan Siegel is currently a clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine where he is a Co-Investigator at the Center for Culture, Brain, and Development (cbd.ucla.edu) and is Co-Director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center (marc.ucla.edu).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: But the hopping is supposed to be due to this controlling of natural laws. God knows why, it's not like we are going to jump in the air and stay there. Someone once asked Marshy whether this would be how levitation happened and he said that we would waft lightly into the air then float back down. Judy: I can't recall how Hagelin explained hopping in terms of the probabilities business... According to John Hagelin, the universe is non-deterministic and the concept of an objective measurement is meaningless. Non-determinism of quantum systems follows directly from the 'Schrödinger Equation'. Objective measurement pertains to the 'Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle'. Read more: 'What the Bleep Do We Know!?' Discovering the Endless Possibilities for Altering Your Everyday Reality By Betsy Chasse, Mark Vicente, and William Arntz HCI, 2007 'What the Bleep Do We Know!?' 20th Century Fox DVD, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/yaf4xqy According to John Hagelin? And a bunch of links to that piece of new age tedium What the bleep? At last we can be sure you are just winding us up!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip the brain may be the most amazing thing in existence but it's still a physical structure that evolved, unless there is something *really* weird going on. How we go about translating the explanation into our own experience might turn out to be the tricky bit. Don't think there's any question that *is* the tricky bit. I meant to comment earlier, if psychedelic and mystical experience--as well as a lot of paranormal experience-- is all generated by the physical brain, the brain is not just more amazing than we imagine, but possibly more amazing than we *can* imagine (to steal a phrase from Eddington). I hope not! But it could well be trickier than a lot of people think. Or then maybe not. This is the BBC documentary I mentioned weeks ago. Worth an hour of anyone's time I reckon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7YtpH3M_sY Just for kicks, here's Huxley on the reducing valve concept (from Varieties of Religious Experience): Each one of us is potentially Mind at Large. But in so far as we are animals, our business is at all costs to survive. To make biological survival possible, Mind at Large has to be funnelled through the reducing valve of the brain and nervous system. What comes out at the other end is a measly trickle of the kind of consciousness which will help us to stay alive on the surface of this particular planet. I find it interesting to contemplate the possibility that the physical brain has evolved to select and make available those features of Mind at Large that had the greatest survival value while selecting others to be screened out (because they weren't necessary, or would interfere with those that are screened in). It's a great idea but so far the smallest structure found in the brain is several orders too large to be making use of the quantum world, so I wonder which bit of us is doing the funnelling? Another question would be, whether anyone with a vested interest in a particular viewpoint would accept a reductionist explanation at all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:25 PM, WillyTex wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from... nadarrombus: patanjali states the bija om is the mantra which is used... Patanjali mentions the 'pranava', but does not state that it is 'om'. AUM is not, stictly speaking, a 'bija' mantra. AUM isn't mentioned in the Yoga Sutras nor in the Rig Veda. According to bija-mantra dictionaries, AUM is a bija mantra. So, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'TM' bija mantras and where they came from. Duh. The YS is not a text on mantra, it's a Nath text on yoga, maybe that's why! snip maharishi translated and made commentaries changing the sanskrit to english according to his preference Vernon Katz made the translation and they seem to be pretty standard. I've compared Katz's translation with Swami Prabhupada's word for word translations and they are near the same. Actually according to the MUM download on the Gita, Marshy translated it. Interesting for someone who couldn't read Sanskrit!
[FairfieldLife] ia course pay to increase to $2500 month
john hagelin plans to solve they numbers problem by putting his money where his mouth is. joke, that will never happen will it. he wants your money to feed his incessant jabbering pseudo trap while he looks for dates at his yearly mum one month physics course. how much is he payed for that again, 100,000 grand or so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Hey, Bongo, since you hate capitalism so much and profits are so evil, why don't you start a non-profit healthcare company and provide healthcare to the 2.7 million that just lost their insurance. Gosh, you could undercut the evil insurance companies by charging whatever they charge LESS the profit they make off every client. Indeed, nothing stops ANYONE from starting a non-profit tomorrow and doing exactly that. Gee, I don't understand why there isn't a rash of do-gooders and good-thinkers like Bongo Brazil fighting to see who can create the best non-profit to help out all those millions. As usual, Mr McShremp expounds his mocking, out-to-lunch crackpot ideas as if they held any semblance of reality in today's world - while he prides himself in his Greed is good, Selfishness is the only virtue, Me first, I've got mine so fuck everybody else ideology. He's one of these right wing assholes who because of his entrenched pathology of selfishness and greed, is simply incapable of grasping the concept of We the People. And while he worships at the altar of the obscene profiteering of the top Big Insurance Corporations that bleed the American people for their profits as 2.7 million more Americans lose their health coverage -and- as tens of thousands die anually for lack of covered access to necessary life-saving long term care/treatment - Mr McShremp's OWN capitalist company barely scrapes by with a measly reported annual income of $40k. He can't see how pwned 'he himself' is by the unrestrained, anti-Democracy, oligarchic Corporate run machine. From his real life online bio [redacted]: ___ is a private company categorized under Management Investment Open-End and located in . Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $40,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1. Ask him to tell you about his 'inventions' and how well they're doing. Then maybe he'll tell you about the 'successes' of the two books he wrote - one of them is how to make money [ha,ha,ha] and the other one is seemingly a political rag about his home country and McShremp's brilliant solutions to all their 'problems.' Ask him how many copies he's sold. LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: According to a study by a pro-health reform group published Thursday, the nation's largest five health insurance companies posted a 56 percent gain in 2009 profits over 2008. The insurers including Wellpoint, UnitedHealth, Cigna, Aetna and Humana, which cover the majority of Americans with insurance. The insurers' hefty profit gains came even as 2.7 million more Americans lost their insurance coverage due to the declining economy. http://rawstory.com/2010/02/top-health-insurers-posted-57-percent-profit-gains-2009/ = = = Poll: 2/3 of Voters Say Pass Comprehensive Health Care Reform Americans spread the blame when it comes to the lack of cooperation in Washington, and, in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, most want the two sides to keep working to pass comprehensive health-care reform. Nearly six in 10 in the new poll say the Republicans aren't doing enough to forge compromise with President Obama on important issues; more than four in 10 see Obama as doing too little to get GOP support. Among independents, 56 percent see the Republicans in Congress as too unbending and 50 percent say so of the president; 28 percent of independents say both sides are doing too little to find agreement. As party leaders tussle over the proposed bipartisan health care summit, nearly two-thirds of Americans say they want Congress to keep working to pass comprehensive health-care reform. Democrats overwhelmingly support continued action on this front, as do 56 percent of independents and 42 percent of Republicans. See Chart: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/Poll1.gif http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/02/americans_spread_the_blame_whe.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. It appears that the prime use of a bija mantra is to invoke a particular 'god' or 'goddess'. In fact it is said that Guru Dev would not give out a mantra without knowing of the devotee's preference for a particular god. Seems to me that the process of 'transcendence' is not dependent on the use of a mantra but upon the abandonment of thought. I suspect that many successfully 'transcend' without ever getting initiated, just sitting still and letting go of thought can do it. *Vibration* is the essence of bija mantra, whether TM or otherwise (as in Hong Sau or Hamsa). By repeating or setting up this vibration within your mind you are attracting that vibration or Devata (Devatas are nothing but sound vibrations animating the Universe, their essence is bliss). By striking one tuning fork all the tuning forks in the general vicinity attuned to that frequency will vibrate as well, this is what Mantra meditation is, IMO. Through affinity, one is attracted to a particular vibration or formless devata and in time that devata can appear to you in ANY form. So Mantras would be an invaluable asset for meditation, IMO. By repeating the mantra you are attracting the Devata or Bliss.
[FairfieldLife] tm to be taught for free online -internet age solves original quandry
fantastic report -maharishi was unable to find a medium to transmit the incredible essence of life until now. the tm is finally free on the web... he is now multiplied himself and the data for tm can be cross referenced for accuracy by anyone in an instant to prevent staining the purity... visit www.pujaisneeded.net, end all suffering now before someone else gets the credit!
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from... nadarrombus: patanjali states the bija om is the mantra which is used... Patanjali mentions the 'pranava', but does not state that it is 'om'. AUM is not, stictly speaking, a 'bija' mantra. AUM isn't mentioned in the Yoga Sutras nor in the Rig Veda. So, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'TM' bija mantras and where they came from. I also don't think Patanjali taught TM type meditation, He apparently taught *Concentration* (Dharana) as a means of controlling the prana, a much more difficult but volitional process, one used by the great Paramahansa Yogananda. TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dh%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87%C4%81 snip maharishi translated and made commentaries changing the sanskrit to english according to his preference Vernon Katz made the translation and they seem to be pretty standard. I've compared Katz's translation with Swami Prabhupada's word for word translations and they are near the same. There are some question that are not answered in Patanjalis' Yoga Sutra. For example, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. maharishi didn't want tm people to read the vedic literature in english... The Maharishi, with help from Vernon Katz, translated the Bhagavad Gita into English. In the Maharishi's TM-Sidhi Program, Patanjali's 'flying sutra' is repeated in English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: There is a phrase one runs across from time to time, an embarrassment of riches. I don't know about anyone else, but having logged off early in the posting day yesterday to go out and...uh...actually be with someone I love on Valentine's Day and do fun things, it was quite a shock to skim through what was posted after I left. Same old topics, trotted out by the same old angry people as if they should receive the same old attention. A couple of them went into actual meltdowns trying to start fights. An embarrassment of poverty. Poor in intellect, poor in spirit, and above all poor in love. Especially on a day devoted to it. Just sayin'... Sez Barry, still brimming over with the love he reveled in after he logged off yesterday, so enriched by it that he just couldn't bear to return to the sniping and demonizing he engaged in before he logged off. I mean, otherwise it might seem as though he thought love was appropriate *only* on the day devoted to it, to be dropped immediately after that day is over, returning to the same old anger and insults and attempts to start fights.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dying is beautiful Rickincarnate on dry land then
Those folks here now in the sarabands of Bangladesh will incarnate on dry land next time not to worry! they also may well choose to incarnate more slowly so no invitations may be needed now or then. In a message dated 2/14/2010 10:39:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, r...@searchsummit.com writes: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dying is beautiful Rick we have all done it come again Rick writes: Compassion is also what we were born to do. I happen to believe that a compassionate response to the suffering of others reflects a higher level of human development than indifference excused by some philosophical rationalization. ...but your compassion for the poorest of the poor -- those who are and will continue to suffer because of global warming alarmist philosophy -- stops at their door. The poor will be hit hardest by the consequences of global warming. Maybe Phoenix can invite the population of Bangladesh to move in?
Re: [FairfieldLife] tm 2 be taught for free online(w.pujaisneeded.net),NOT FOUND
In a message dated 2/15/2010 9:12:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, royboyun...@yahoo.com writes: www.pujaisneeded.net
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip I *did* my thing. I stated my opinion. If someone has a different opinion, they are more than entitled to express it. If they can do so without ad hominem and without an obvious attempt to provoke an argument, more power to them...they have my respect and admir- ation. In his first three posts today, Barry models the kind of ad hominem-less expression of opinion that has his respect and admiration: But some have so little ability *to* focus that they need to be trained to focus on something *else* for a while. snip Others cling to the notion of the magic mantra even more tightly. The former are called meditators. The latter are called suckers. Examine your beliefs about mantras; they reveal what group you're in. - More than *any* spiritual organization or movement I have encountered, I have found that TMer are the most hung up on gaining powers. It's as if, as a group, they feel so insignificant and power- less that the thing they want the most is to be considered significant and powerful. - Same old topics, trotted out by the same old angry people as if they should receive the same old attention. A couple of them went into actual meltdowns trying to start fights. An embarrassment of poverty. Poor in intellect, poor in spirit, and above all poor in love. Just sayin'... snip If, on the other hand, all they see in my opinions, or in Paul's, is one more opportunity to provoke an argument and suck as many people as possible into it, I merely feel sorry for them, and will allow them to do so while covered in piss of their own making. Now, how could one *possibly* think Barry was trying to provoke anybody in those first three posts? How could they *dream* the piss they find themselves wiping off after those posts was not of their own making?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jones: His job is to organise data, but he's not very good with data
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: On the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8513000/8513893.stm Harrabin: Nothing (in Climategate that I've seen) challenges the mainstream view of science...[a few seconds later]...but it is calling into question in many people's minds the fundamentals of the science itself. That's OK then? Mainstream = sound, fundamentals = wobbly? I think there may have been an unspoken mistakenly there in between is and calling... Harrabin: But calling people flat-earthers deniers will change
[FairfieldLife] the definition for satire can be found in an english dictionary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wle...@... wrote: In a message dated 2/15/2010 9:12:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, royboyun...@... writes: www.pujaisneeded.net
[FairfieldLife] you don't think, maybe you should learn to concentrate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from... nadarrombus: patanjali states the bija om is the mantra which is used... Patanjali mentions the 'pranava', but does not state that it is 'om'. AUM is not, stictly speaking, a 'bija' mantra. AUM isn't mentioned in the Yoga Sutras nor in the Rig Veda. So, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'TM' bija mantras and where they came from. I also don't think Patanjali taught TM type meditation, He apparently taught *Concentration* (Dharana) as a means of controlling the prana, a much more difficult but volitional process, one used by the great Paramahansa Yogananda. TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dh%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87%C4%81 snip maharishi translated and made commentaries changing the sanskrit to english according to his preference Vernon Katz made the translation and they seem to be pretty standard. I've compared Katz's translation with Swami Prabhupada's word for word translations and they are near the same. There are some question that are not answered in Patanjalis' Yoga Sutra. For example, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. maharishi didn't want tm people to read the vedic literature in english... The Maharishi, with help from Vernon Katz, translated the Bhagavad Gita into English. In the Maharishi's TM-Sidhi Program, Patanjali's 'flying sutra' is repeated in English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: As far as JH is concerned it is happening. But not long enough to be measured by any device that tells you whether gravity is operating or not. The only sign of something happening is the burst of brain-wave coherence that happens the instant before liftoff. According to JHs Pphysics of flying lecture the point of lift off *is* gravity being re-ordered. But how would you measure whether there was an instant of gravity being reordered? When someone takes off :-) Seriously though, that is the explanation given in the talk. What we need is a floater to settle it completely. Can't be much longer now surely... snip Yeah, well... We did have one account way back on alt.m.t from TM teacher Susan Seifert of actually hovering, once. Very interesting description of what it felt like. I've never been able to find it again in the alt.m.t archives. I'll believe it when I see it and probably be sceptical then. In fact you'd have to film it and have every lab on earth check it for fraud before I'd consider it wasn't faked. Well, sure, that's a given. All we know from her description is what she says about an experience she had. But from what I know of her, she isn't the faking type; regardless of what actually physically took place, I'm sure she did have the experience she described. It's just that what she described isn't what I would have expected a delusion of hovering to feel like. That's why I found it so interesting. As for experiencing it, I have done, totally effortless leaping about. One of the nicest experiences I ever had, like drifting through clouds of the sweetest heaven... But more easily explained as the awareness part of the mind being totally not focussed on what the body was doing, someone more credulous may attribute it to something rather more mystical don't you think? To me, there's something quite odd about the mental repetition of a near-nonsense phrase generating that kind of experience, even if it's explained as you suggest. I think there's something quite odd about everything that happened from learning TM onwards! Talk about a weird trip. My flying course was full of out of body experiences and cases of rapid healing - some would say miraculous - including in myself. What caused it all or whether it would happen again I cannot say, it's that fleeting, non-repeatable nature of the unexplained that leaves it open to (mis)interpretation. No-one will ever see what I have and it's hard to take a reductionist attempt to fit my experience into what is already known. It doesn't stop me trying though, we are so good at kidding ourselves we don't have to be not the faking type to be the unintentionally gullible type and being in a belief system like the TMO is surely a headstart towards taking all sorts of strange stuff seriously. Or is it, or isn't it? snip Whole philosophical issue here of the reality status of subjective experience, the extent to which it's an illusion. We might well be able at some point to map the brain's rewiring down to the last synapse without getting anywhere near the answer to that one. We are very close to it already without mapping the last synapse. We know how much brain activity is needed to trigger consciousness, where things are stored in the brain and even where consciousness arises. Only a matter of time before it's sussed completeley, I'm very dubious that anything we can map or measure scientifically will tell us whether all subjective experience is an illusion. (Just for one thing, it's other brains doing the interpreting of the data.) Brains thinking about brains. That is a wild idea. Interesting that the brain doesn't instinctively know what it is. Greek brains thought that it was for keeping blood cool. One of the intersting bits of mind to observe is that parts of consciousness do things that the other bits aren't aware of. How does that work? How can part of my brain conjure up nightmares. And why bother? Consciousness is actually a very small part of what the brain does and isn't responsible for most of what we attribute to it. And it seems to take up not much room in the brain at all. Pretty amazing all the same. snip Same issue with psychedelics. I'm editing a book recounting the author's extensive personal experimentation with LSD where this comes up in connection with experiences that are so fantastic it seems highly unlikely, in an Occam's razor sense, that they could have originated with anything stored within the physical brain. Been there, a wild ride, I travelled in time, met god,
[FairfieldLife] FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
Your last words ring true and clear on the wind chimes Can you hear it clearly now? ...you were gone;left to share the day with someone you have soul connection with you are most blessed in this fortune to have someone want to share the day the hours with you it is most filling and NOURISHING to have another spend Time Spend time Nice to have Time as a gift is it not? Truly it is You mentioned there were others that were on the forum ..at a time when most were out spending the most precious of commodities-Time consider then, perhaps they were hungry perchance they did not get to sip in Time .did not have that cup of you are interesting to me,speak, I drink in your words,I enjoy the touch of your skin as your hand brushes against mine... ..and such words to revel in maybe not one soul wraps their wings around them perhaps there is no comfort for them yesterday at this time set aside to Give to each other perhaps they were alone OR with someone, yet alone perhaps there was no card no hand holding no eyes looking into theirs with the sentiment behind them saying'I rest with you' WE may be all they have and they came here to eat with us have a toast with us share some laughter with us Forgive those that are malnourished from neglect hungry for tenderness a touch of words a kind glance an open mouthed kiss wherein the souls tendril out to reach each other and embrace then return back into their own vessel loneliness It can be fear and grieving mourning the loss of a love they can share(and who to share it with-?who will receive it-?) Moving through the grieving process ,a component is anger resentment I am saying on a day as poignant as yesterday perhaps there was some grieving going on sorrow for a love gone or not shared I see both sides as a lawyer yours,i perceive and agree with as, should we not love on at least Valentine's day?On a forum with sprit led /seeking individuals-? I see theirs, is there not anyone to interact with , in ANY way, even volitile, ...there is no dinner or lunch reservations for me no card with my name on it on the dresser or tucked in to the bathroom mirror no sweet sentiments being whispered into my ear no one to ask me to walk around the lake i am so very aware of my aloneness;(even if i am 'with' someOne) perhaps someone will share some time with me on FFL.. I smell emptiness Shall we fill it and with what-? here, please, accept this offering of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwC0RTAC2Pg Love, Meow
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. 'Simpler'? I'm not so sure about that. TM relies on the fairly finely balanced use of mantra repetition, which masquerades as simple but is actually otherwise. I wonder how many who say that concentration of willpower is more difficult than TM have actually tried it? I think we tend to parrot ideas without really doing any ammount of homework. Actually, it was a feature of Maharishi's modus operandus, to find out about 'rival' systems of meditation, but unfortunately he always made them out to be either ineffectual or too difficult. Now, given the teaching, I suspect that a great many practitioners of TM would have found some of those 'difficult' techniques quite a lot easier than they imagined. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from... nadarrombus: patanjali states the bija om is the mantra which is used... Patanjali mentions the 'pranava', but does not state that it is 'om'. AUM is not, stictly speaking, a 'bija' mantra. AUM isn't mentioned in the Yoga Sutras nor in the Rig Veda. So, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'TM' bija mantras and where they came from. I also don't think Patanjali taught TM type meditation, He apparently taught *Concentration* (Dharana) as a means of controlling the prana, a much more difficult but volitional process, one used by the great Paramahansa Yogananda. TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dh%C4%81ra%E1%B9%87%C4%81 snip maharishi translated and made commentaries changing the sanskrit to english according to his preference Vernon Katz made the translation and they seem to be pretty standard. I've compared Katz's translation with Swami Prabhupada's word for word translations and they are near the same. There are some question that are not answered in Patanjalis' Yoga Sutra. For example, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'bija mantras' used in TM, and where the bija mantras come from. maharishi didn't want tm people to read the vedic literature in english... The Maharishi, with help from Vernon Katz, translated the Bhagavad Gita into English. In the Maharishi's TM-Sidhi Program, Patanjali's 'flying sutra' is repeated in English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of
this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it
means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P. %{-Nau}.
%{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the syllable %{om}
Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS. S3Br. Mn.
(ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small drum or tabor =
(and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dying is beautiful Rickincarnate on dry land then
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wle...@... wrote: Those folks here now in the sarabands of Bangladesh will incarnate on dry land next time not to worry! they also may well choose to incarnate more slowly so no invitations may be needed now or then. Mr Leed appartently has no inclination to do anything to directly prevent human suffering or to directly help people who ARE suffering. He seems to take the apathetic view that it's just their karma so it doesn't matter that they are starving to death, in agonizing pain [or whatever tragedy it is they are experiencing that can be prevented or mitigated]. Apparently to him under that view, it's pointless to do things such as medical research to ease humanity's suffering, disease and needless early death because it's just their karma. Maybe if Mr Leed needs treatment for agonizing pain, he will refuse it because the agony is just his karma. Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr Leed. In a message dated 2/14/2010 10:39:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, r...@... writes: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dying is beautiful Rick we have all done it come again Rick writes: Compassion is also what we were born to do. I happen to believe that a compassionate response to the suffering of others reflects a higher level of human development than indifference excused by some philosophical rationalization. ...but your compassion for the poorest of the poor -- those who are and will continue to suffer because of global warming alarmist philosophy -- stops at their door. The poor will be hit hardest by the consequences of global warming. Maybe Phoenix can invite the population of Bangladesh to move in?
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was
used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base
of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it,
it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P. %{-Nau}.
%{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the syllable
%{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1 praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS. S3Br. Mn.
(ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small drum or tabor
= (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chocolate!
And it's good for you! Chocolate is supposed to be anti-inflammatory in nature. A little piece of dark chocolate everyday is just what the doctor ordered! From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:14:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chocolate! --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, raunchydog raunchydog@ ... wrote: Sweeten your day. Have some chocolate. Bet you can't resist. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fK8DidZT9SM feature=related When my family lived in Germany for a year during one of my father's sabbaticals when I was a kid, we became addicted to a confection called Erfrischungs- Staebchen (refreshment sticks), little chocolate logs filled with either orange or lemon syrup. Where the syrup met the chocolate coating on the inside, it crystallized, so there was a layer of chocolate, a crunchy layer, and then the citrusy liquid. The combination of tastes and textures was just out of this world. When we got back to the States, we were thrilled to find them in a local store that stocked imported candy. For a long time they were the highlight of our Christmas stockings every year, a box for each of us. Then the store closed, and we couldn't get them any more, a huge disappointment. But two years ago, my sister discovered a mail-order source. She kept mum about it until Christmas morning, when I discovered a box in my stocking up at her house up in Vermont. Man, you'd have thought she'd given me a box of pure gold. I couldn't believe they were the same thing until I actually bit into one. One of life's little thrills... She won't tell me where she got them. But I found some on German eBay: http://cgi.ebay. de/SAROTTI- ERFRISCHUNGSSTAB CHEN-ORANGE- ZITRONE-75- GRAMM_W0QQitemZ3 70210531167QQcmd ZViewItemQQptZS% C3%BC%C3% 9Fwaren_Pralinen ?hash=item563244 675f http://tinyurl. com/yapo2lz If you like the combination of chocolate and citrus, try 'em. You won't be sorry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jones: His job is to organise data, but he's not very good with data
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: On the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8513000/8513893.stm Harrabin: Nothing (in Climategate that I've seen) challenges the mainstream view of science...[a few seconds later]...but it is calling into question in many people's minds the fundamentals of the science itself. That's OK then? Mainstream = sound, fundamentals = wobbly? I think there may have been an unspoken mistakenly there in between is and calling... No, to me ear it sounded like definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, not to put too fine a point on it - and all without drawing breath. Harrabin: But calling people flat-earthers deniers will change
[FairfieldLife] Re: I APPEARS 2 me Ur taking some 2 negative views of my position incorrectly
In a message dated 2/15/2010 10:02:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wle...@aol.com writes: However I do not choose to change Ur view of me till we may meet here or in the here after see each others thoughts far more clearly positively in better light. Could U review my post to fine one positive thought there? perhaps in Ur cite there was NONE that is ok as well. It all in the eye of the beholder etc. THANKIS 4 the kind response it could have been far different I see from some of your past responses to others thanks for being kinder to me. Have U an email we could correspond off this posting FF life or a Tel to share?
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. 'Simpler'? I'm not so sure about that. TM relies on the fairly finely balanced use of mantra repetition, which masquerades as simple but is actually otherwise. I wonder how many who say that concentration of willpower is more difficult than TM have actually tried it? I think we tend to parrot ideas without really doing any ammount of homework. Actually, it was a feature of Maharishi's modus operandus, to find out about 'rival' systems of meditation, but unfortunately he always made them out to be either ineffectual or too difficult. Now, given the teaching, I suspect that a great many practitioners of TM would have found some of those 'difficult' techniques quite a lot easier than they imagined. I practiced Hong Sau for almost a year, and believe me, it's more difficult, but then it's a completely different approach. Using Concentration, the object is to withdraw the prana to the point between the eyebrows, once having accomplished that, the soul or consciousness is free from the bodily cage as they say. TM is almost always accompanied with rest, not so all the time with Hong Sau or Concentration, it takes time to master it, it's something you have to practice in order to accomplish. TM is almost automatic but the results are unpredictable. Once the technique of Concentration is Mastered you can go into Samadhi, at will, anytime. Personally I feel TM is more suited for me, it's easier, the only problem is falling asleep frequently..
[FairfieldLife] Re: students can now attend mum without learning tm,- and the puja is optional
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: I've heard is that he was a case of arrested development. He never had a real childhood, and he remained very immature emotionally. It was easier for him to relate to children than to adults (especially given his superstar status, where all the adults he knew wanted a piece of him), so he surrounded himself with children, who at least wouldn't try to take advantage of him. At the same time, he could model the loving father he never had. He was essentially redoing his own childhood. You know where this came from? Michael Jackson describing why his desire to sleep with young boys (never young girls) was not a case of homosexual pedophilia, but instead was ...you know...an innocent 'ting. I have heard interviews with physiologists tearing this nonsense apart. Having a working showbiz childhood doesn't make it necessary to sleep in the bed with only boys of a very specific age. There is another name for this behavior. And how exactly is sleeping with young boys regaining his lost youth? Boys don't sleep with each other. They don't make out with each other and Michael has been seen making out with dozens of young boys by his staff, by stewardesses on planes, by parents who realized they had made a big mistake to trust him. And you don't need pictures of naked young boys to reclaim lost youth either and hundreds of pictures were seized at Neverland. And exactly how many decades of being a child does it take, 5 of them? No pity party for superstar millionaire Michael. And people who have done business with him know him as a ruthless, super ambitious business man, (without the girlie voice act, he doesn't usually negotiate with that voice.) And who says he had no childhood? He lived the privileged life of a superstar who got to do exactly what he loved. He was adored by fans everywhere he went and got to hang out with the top performers in the field he had the highest affinity for. In what way is it not having a childhood to have to practice your art till you become great at it and then perform for adoring crowds? You know who had no childhoods? All the other kids in his rough neighborhood who never got to fly in planes and do what they loved and who had disinterested parents with no dreams or ability to discipline their kids. His brothers have disputed his abuse claims about the dad and who knows maybe he was a total prick. But he raised a whole slew of rich successful kids making a living expressing their art for millions. I wonder if raising a bunch of kids in a shitty neighborhood can make an ambitious dad a little rough? Can you imagine raising that many boys? Michael had an artist's dream childhood and it was no worse than any kid who is in the Olympics or successful at a young age. Other troubled child stars act out with drugs or age appropriate philandering when they get older, nobody else is creating situations for young boys to sleep with them. Name one other person with Michael Jackson's no-childhood-syndrome who ended up this way? It was also pointed out that Michael has numerous non-pedophile brothers who went through the same childhood with their father. (With the exception that they got less adulation in the group.) You know what they would do on the road once they got famous? Bang lots of chicks. There is no psychological support for this self-serving thoery that actually describes the childlike persona of many pedophiles. Michael was only unusual due to the cash, other than that he was a textbook predator. And being childlike and having an unusual rapport with kids is the predator MO. They surround themselves with the things kids love to lure them close. You know what non-pedophile men do? They learn to cook and play the guitar to lure WOMEN closer. I know this for a fact. At least now I have a better understanding of why he got away with it all those years. The fact that you would even repeat his own excuse as if it is a legitimate psychological thoery amazes me. The hit piece on Sneddon was lame and had nothing substantial to do with this case. Trying to demonize a prosecutor as being obsessed when he was trying to bring a molester of children to justice after the first case's victim was paid off in millions is the lamest kind of ad hominem attempt. If you had evidence of a person being a pedophile and it was your job to bring him to justice, do you think you might be a bit into it? It is not evidence of misconduct in the case. snip from another post: Me: Michael Jackson was a child molester Judy: Quite sure of that, are you? Have some insider info? me: (I name a book written by the molested child's uncle.) Judy from another post: Just thought it was pretty funny that immediately after you (mistakenly) dismissed the two detailed Wikipedia articles as put up by fans, you'd tout a book about the case written by a close
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: here, please, accept this offering of mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwC0RTAC2Pg Love, Meow Nice. Always one of my faves, especially because for me it has an association with one of my fave scenes from one of my fave movies, City Of Angels. In a very different vein, but also by Sarah McLachlan, here is a song that she wrote about an insane fan who was stalking her, and dangerously. The song was her way of saying what she thought of the creep, and of obsessive stalking in general. Many of the words of the song are actually from his creepy letters to her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dADn6KDS-s What can possibly be creepier than someone trying to push themselves into your life, saying I won't be denied? I can identify with Sarah's revulsion. I liked the sentiment of your post, even though it's way too sentimental for me. Me, I prefer to think of yesterday as an exercise in stalking. Some of us stalked love by spending time with someone we actually know and actually love, and who loves us back. Others pursued their own twisted idea of love by stalk- ing someone they've never met but are convinced that they know on the Internet. Different strokes for different folks.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009
Well, he might have to use his own capital to get started and we all know liberals(progressives) are compassionate only with other peoples money, not their own. From: ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 7:39:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009 Hey, Bongo, since you hate capitalism so much and profits are so evil, why don't you start a non-profit healthcare company and provide healthcare to the 2.7 million that just lost their insurance. Gosh, you could undercut the evil insurance companies by charging whatever they charge LESS the profit they make off every client. Indeed, nothing stops ANYONE from starting a non-profit tomorrow and doing exactly that. Gee, I don't understand why there isn't a rash of do-gooders and good-thinkers like Bongo Brazil fighting to see who can create the best non-profit to help out all those millions. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, do.rflex do.rf...@.. . wrote: According to a study by a pro-health reform group published Thursday, the nation's largest five health insurance companies posted a 56 percent gain in 2009 profits over 2008. The insurers including Wellpoint, UnitedHealth, Cigna, Aetna and Humana, which cover the majority of Americans with insurance. The insurers' hefty profit gains came even as 2.7 million more Americans lost their insurance coverage due to the declining economy. http://rawstory. com/2010/ 02/top-health- insurers- posted-57- percent-profit- gains-2009/ = = = Poll: 2/3 of Voters Say Pass Comprehensive Health Care Reform Americans spread the blame when it comes to the lack of cooperation in Washington, and, in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, most want the two sides to keep working to pass comprehensive health-care reform. Nearly six in 10 in the new poll say the Republicans aren't doing enough to forge compromise with President Obama on important issues; more than four in 10 see Obama as doing too little to get GOP support. Among independents, 56 percent see the Republicans in Congress as too unbending and 50 percent say so of the president; 28 percent of independents say both sides are doing too little to find agreement. As party leaders tussle over the proposed bipartisan health care summit, nearly two-thirds of Americans say they want Congress to keep working to pass comprehensive health-care reform. Democrats overwhelmingly support continued action on this front, as do 56 percent of independents and 42 percent of Republicans. See Chart: http://voices. washingtonpost. com/behind- the-numbers/ Poll1.gif http://voices. washingtonpost. com/behind- the-numbers/ 2010/02/american s_spread_ the_blame_ whe.html
[FairfieldLife] tmers among richest in world today still need money for world peace from you tho
the richest people only have like fifty bucks so...
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[FairfieldLife] MMY on Immortality
Transcribed by: Jörg Schenk [Note: According to traditional scientists the DNA molecule contains the genetic code which is fixed and cannot be changed. The DNA is composed of four baseschemical componentswhich combine in sequence to make up the code of life. Of course, scientists are unaware of the importance of the gap (relationship) between these discreet components, being made of nothing and therefore largely ignored.] DNA and the genetic code Maharishi Nagar, Oct. 1988 MAHARISHI:...We have just now established that it is the gap between the two particles in the whole body, the reality of Shrotas, that make life immortal. That is because immortality is a reality not of matter, but it is a reality on its own and it is intelligence. What matter does is, it extremely localizes it. It makes it so localized that its flexibility gets lost. Because it is an eternal reality, where does it substantiate its existence, when its found that one particle has swallowed its eternity, continuum and immortality? It gets into the structure of the particle and it gets into the relationship of one particle with the other. And then it enjoys its freedom and eternal wakefulness in the middle point of the particles. So we say, it is not these four particles that are the source of intelligence, it is their relationship with one another. The beauty is that the RNA, emerging from DNA, the process is that the two particles which are together, they create a relationship between them. They expand the relation, that means the relationship area becomes lively. From that liveliness springs an impulse. Now what is happening in this case is very beautiful. We have seen that this particle and that particle, they are controlled by the middle point where neither the value of this particle nor the value of that particle, but a field of all possibilities is lively. In the middle point of the relationship of the two particles there is all possibilities lively. So what DNA does, it creates - it is difficult to say `creates` when we talk of two values, intelligence and matter, and when we see the working of the DNA, that they are together and then it opens itself. In that opening what is happening is, that field of all possibilities is lively. Where from that particular kind of RNA comes to create that particular kind of protein and all that, where from? From the requirement which that widely awake field of all possibilities, the central point of the relationship... because it is a field of infinite correlation, omnipresent everywhere. So it knows what is happening during the eclipse time or what is happening when the earth is going round its axis and now there is night. The DNA opening feels the requirement of the universe. The requirement of the universe is compatible with the requirement of the body, because body has also survival, universe has also survival. Both have to survive in terms of mutual alignment, one is aligned with the other - that field of all possibilities, the point value. What I am emphasizing is, the middle point of the relationship of two particles or two waves - it doesn't matter what we take into account - the middle point of the relationship is a field fully awake within itself. It is a transcendental reality. It has none of these values of either this or this or this. So it is pure wakefulness, pure wakefulness is there. What is needed comes out. Now what is needed depends on an infinite number of considerations, but it is a field of all possibilities, because it is Ritam bhara pragya, a state of intelligence which knows everything and which registers only the truth. It is not deluded because it is Self-referral. Being Self-referral it knows everything. And this reality is located in the functioning in DNA. So rather than saying that the particles have a genetic code we say the relationship between the particles is the field on which the things are registered. And from this inexhaustible source of informations - it is an inexhaustible source of information not because of thousands or millions of past lives, but on the basis of its own character. It is the Self-referral intelligence, Self-referral consciousness, it is completely out of any weakness, but a potential of all possibilities, potential of all levels of silence along with the potential of all levels of activity. And the emerging of the RNA associated with the Sanskaras, that also is not wrong, but the fundamental value is that the middle point of their relationship, from where the RNA takes off, is a field of all possibilities, fully awake within itself - Self-referral consciousness. And in that Self-referral consciousness all the interactions are all Self-referral. The whole multiplicity is all Self-referral in the state of unity. So unity is eternal, multiplicity is eternal and dynamics are eternal. So in that eternal drama of the one reality, the phenomenon of DNA is enacted. The DNA enacts the drama of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Immortality
holy crap, thnx rick archer, now i remember why maharishi was so damn cool sometimes. he sounds like he had the i know everything on acid trip but unlike most he either never came down or actually remembered the omniscient moment in freakish detail. really good. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Transcribed by: Jörg Schenk [Note: According to traditional scientists the DNA molecule contains the genetic code which is fixed and cannot be changed. The DNA is composed of four baseschemical componentswhich combine in sequence to make up the code of life. Of course, scientists are unaware of the importance of the gap (relationship) between these discreet components, being made of nothing and therefore largely ignored.] DNA and the genetic code Maharishi Nagar, Oct. 1988 MAHARISHI:...We have just now established that it is the gap between the two particles in the whole body, the reality of Shrotas, that make life immortal. That is because immortality is a reality not of matter, but it is a reality on its own and it is intelligence. What matter does is, it extremely localizes it. It makes it so localized that its flexibility gets lost. Because it is an eternal reality, where does it substantiate its existence, when its found that one particle has swallowed its eternity, continuum and immortality? It gets into the structure of the particle and it gets into the relationship of one particle with the other. And then it enjoys its freedom and eternal wakefulness in the middle point of the particles. So we say, it is not these four particles that are the source of intelligence, it is their relationship with one another. The beauty is that the RNA, emerging from DNA, the process is that the two particles which are together, they create a relationship between them. They expand the relation, that means the relationship area becomes lively. From that liveliness springs an impulse. Now what is happening in this case is very beautiful. We have seen that this particle and that particle, they are controlled by the middle point where neither the value of this particle nor the value of that particle, but a field of all possibilities is lively. In the middle point of the relationship of the two particles there is all possibilities lively. So what DNA does, it creates - it is difficult to say `creates` when we talk of two values, intelligence and matter, and when we see the working of the DNA, that they are together and then it opens itself. In that opening what is happening is, that field of all possibilities is lively. Where from that particular kind of RNA comes to create that particular kind of protein and all that, where from? From the requirement which that widely awake field of all possibilities, the central point of the relationship... because it is a field of infinite correlation, omnipresent everywhere. So it knows what is happening during the eclipse time or what is happening when the earth is going round its axis and now there is night. The DNA opening feels the requirement of the universe. The requirement of the universe is compatible with the requirement of the body, because body has also survival, universe has also survival. Both have to survive in terms of mutual alignment, one is aligned with the other - that field of all possibilities, the point value. What I am emphasizing is, the middle point of the relationship of two particles or two waves - it doesn't matter what we take into account - the middle point of the relationship is a field fully awake within itself. It is a transcendental reality. It has none of these values of either this or this or this. So it is pure wakefulness, pure wakefulness is there. What is needed comes out. Now what is needed depends on an infinite number of considerations, but it is a field of all possibilities, because it is Ritam bhara pragya, a state of intelligence which knows everything and which registers only the truth. It is not deluded because it is Self-referral. Being Self-referral it knows everything. And this reality is located in the functioning in DNA. So rather than saying that the particles have a genetic code we say the relationship between the particles is the field on which the things are registered. And from this inexhaustible source of informations - it is an inexhaustible source of information not because of thousands or millions of past lives, but on the basis of its own character. It is the Self-referral intelligence, Self-referral consciousness, it is completely out of any weakness, but a potential of all possibilities, potential of all levels of silence along with the potential of all levels of activity. And the emerging of the RNA associated with the Sanskaras, that also is not wrong, but the fundamental value is that the middle point of their relationship, from where the RNA takes off, is a field of
[FairfieldLife] Re: students can now attend mum without learning tm,- and the puja is optional
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: . . . At least now I have a better understanding of why he got away with it all those years. The fact that you would even repeat his own excuse as if it is a legitimate psychological theory amazes me. . . . This posting topic started because I made a joke about Michael's death. And when Richard accused me of being prejudiced for making it, you piled on, defending both Richard and Michael. Nice work. Stalker defending stalker. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
Is it not possible for you to mix and match the strengths of the various techniques, e.g. take it easy whilst using willpower, letting go of discursive thought gradually, gently? If and when meditation is taught outside of a religious context, without the use of a puja or magic prayers, I suspect that science will show that it is not only easy and effective, but will concern itself with why it had been overlooked for so long. And it will probably blame those who described meditation as difficult and those who asserted it took many years to learn and practise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. 'Simpler'? I'm not so sure about that. TM relies on the fairly finely balanced use of mantra repetition, which masquerades as simple but is actually otherwise. I wonder how many who say that concentration of willpower is more difficult than TM have actually tried it? I think we tend to parrot ideas without really doing any ammount of homework. Actually, it was a feature of Maharishi's modus operandus, to find out about 'rival' systems of meditation, but unfortunately he always made them out to be either ineffectual or too difficult. Now, given the teaching, I suspect that a great many practitioners of TM would have found some of those 'difficult' techniques quite a lot easier than they imagined. I practiced Hong Sau for almost a year, and believe me, it's more difficult, but then it's a completely different approach. Using Concentration, the object is to withdraw the prana to the point between the eyebrows, once having accomplished that, the soul or consciousness is free from the bodily cage as they say. TM is almost always accompanied with rest, not so all the time with Hong Sau or Concentration, it takes time to master it, it's something you have to practice in order to accomplish. TM is almost automatic but the results are unpredictable. Once the technique of Concentration is Mastered you can go into Samadhi, at will, anytime. Personally I feel TM is more suited for me, it's easier, the only problem is falling asleep frequently..
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
Gosh, I wish I had the time to do a word count on Barry Wright's postings here on FFL. I would hazard a guess that he spends more time crouched over his laptop typing out posts to FFL than anyone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: There is a phrase one runs across from time to time, an embarrassment of riches. I don't know about anyone else, but having logged off early in the posting day yesterday to go out and...uh...actually be with someone I love on Valentine's Day and do fun things, it was quite a shock to skim through what was posted after I left. Same old topics, trotted out by the same old angry people as if they should receive the same old attention. A couple of them went into actual meltdowns trying to start fights. An embarrassment of poverty. Poor in intellect, poor in spirit, and above all poor in love. Especially on a day devoted to it. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] POST OF THE MONTH
Post of the month --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: the Daily Mail, has taken another body blow with the paper publishing a false story claiming that Phil Jones had admitted that there had been no global warming since 1995. The original interview with Jones is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8511670.stm I really do believe it is an extraordinary interview. It's not just some of things that Jones says, it's also the fact that it is a story carried by the BBC and by Roger Harrabin of all people. The times they are a changin'. This is one of the questions: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming His answer? Yes, he DOES agree. So, quite simply, this is NOT (in this respect) a false story. He adds to this by stating that any warming signal in this period is not statistically significant, just as any cooling from 2002 is not statistically significant. It might not be too far off the mark then to say that temperatures from 1995 have been pretty flat (according to Jones). As I recall, when I mentioned something to this effect a year or so ago, Do-reflex appeared to think I was so batty I must have just dropped in from Mars... This was enormously significant too: Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical? Although he huffs and puffs a bit, the answer is again yes, he does agree. Why is that so significant? Well it brings to the surface something that is not widely acknowledged in the media: In all the glib talk of consensus, one fact that IS generally accepted by climate scientists is that a warming period began after the end of the mini ice age (ie 1860 or so) and BEFORE industrial and post-industrial societies had had a chance to puff out too much CO2. So here he is confirming this. If warming was occurring in 1860, then this suggests that any CO2 component of warming in recent times is likely to be a forcing superimposed on an underlying warming trend (which we don't really understand). This means that attempting to evaluate empirically (scientifically) the CO2 component in the data we have (which is turning out to be very limited and of dubious quality anyway) becomes a fiendishly tricky and complex task. Possibly impossible. And certainly not possible to the degree that warmists are fond of claiming. Of course you may think CO2 induced climate change is true *a priori*. But if you do so, it's hardly reasonable of you to claim the rational and scientific high ground, is it? To bandy about phrases such as flat earthers and deniers for those who have less faith in your *a priori* methodology? Or again you may think that facts about glaciers and polar bears etc are the experimental proof for the CO2 conjecture. But all such talk looks suspiciously like modus morons! Viz: If P is True, Q will be the case Q is true Therefore P is true The error is in the first statement, which for global warmers needs to be modified to: Only if P is True, Q will be the case And that's where the events of 1860 (or the medieval warm period) assume their significance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Immortality
It is so interesting to read this kind of stuff now, being so outside the mindset. I have a few thoughts about it. On the positive side would be the perspective that he was using science as an analogous system to help explain his abstract mystical theories. But since he doesn't really draw clear lines, and he is not speaking to a bunch of genetic experts (right?) the details of his science terms were almost as abstract to all of us. I spent hours, days, months listening to him have a scientist speak on a topic way above our heads and then pick out terms as he did here to discuss his own speculations about how everything works. Along the way he sprinkled in science terms. It might have been a useful teaching tool if we were as familiar with the science terms as the expert. It can be a good teaching technique to compare something unknown to something known. But that was not the case usually. Usually he was comparing two things that were mostly unknown or we had been exposed to his POV a lot more. Was he trying to teach genetics through the analogy of his teaching or the other way around? Today I see him trying to make his teaching sound sciency and given his basic admission of this in the SOB (love that abbreviation!) coupled with his overt disdain for the scientific method, gives it all the appearance of a superficial marketing ploy. Attempting to gain credibility for his speculations by dropping in science jargon like a character in a Tyler Perry movie. As if big words enhance credibility for speculations. Here is where I disagree with Maharishi the most: Now what is needed depends on an infinite number of considerations, but it is a field of all possibilities, because it is Ritam bhara pragya, a state of intelligence which knows everything and which registers only the truth. It is not deluded because it is Self-referral. Being Self-referral it knows everything. This is not only wrong, it is dangerously wrong. It is a statement of confidence in a state of mind as a source of truth that needs no external testing. Funny that he denies that it is deluded because this is exactly how I view such a claim. Let's take it at face value for a moment. Is there a shred of evidence that anyone in the movement (or out) could demonstrate the truth of this? It would be easy enough to test. Even with the oddly bloviated claims of knowing everything we could easily pin this down to something testable right? Just let me quiz the guy with my limited knowledge base. I'll play stump the guru. And if it isn't THAT kind of knowing everything where you actually don't know any specifics...then many people already have that state of mind. Many people's confidence exceeds their knowledge. Although few have taken it to such an absurd level of grandiosity as Maharishi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Transcribed by: Jörg Schenk [Note: According to traditional scientists the DNA molecule contains the genetic code which is fixed and cannot be changed. The DNA is composed of four baseschemical componentswhich combine in sequence to make up the code of life. Of course, scientists are unaware of the importance of the gap (relationship) between these discreet components, being made of nothing and therefore largely ignored.] DNA and the genetic code Maharishi Nagar, Oct. 1988 MAHARISHI:...We have just now established that it is the gap between the two particles in the whole body, the reality of Shrotas, that make life immortal. That is because immortality is a reality not of matter, but it is a reality on its own and it is intelligence. What matter does is, it extremely localizes it. It makes it so localized that its flexibility gets lost. Because it is an eternal reality, where does it substantiate its existence, when its found that one particle has swallowed its eternity, continuum and immortality? It gets into the structure of the particle and it gets into the relationship of one particle with the other. And then it enjoys its freedom and eternal wakefulness in the middle point of the particles. So we say, it is not these four particles that are the source of intelligence, it is their relationship with one another. The beauty is that the RNA, emerging from DNA, the process is that the two particles which are together, they create a relationship between them. They expand the relation, that means the relationship area becomes lively. From that liveliness springs an impulse. Now what is happening in this case is very beautiful. We have seen that this particle and that particle, they are controlled by the middle point where neither the value of this particle nor the value of that particle, but a field of all possibilities is lively. In the middle point of the relationship of the two particles there is all possibilities lively. So what DNA does, it creates - it is difficult to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:17 AM, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.netwrote: Gosh, I wish I had the time to do a word count on Barry Wright's postings here on FFL. I would hazard a guess that he spends more time crouched over his laptop typing out posts to FFL than anyone else. Actually, the wordiest member I remember was the late Rory. After that comes Edward. I have a spam filter in place but I see responses to posts Edward has submitted to Buddha at the Gas Pump. It's truly amazing that people actually bother to read the 45 pages monographs he posts. -- If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of It's just a ride Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:24 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:17 AM, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: Gosh, I wish I had the time to do a word count on Barry Wright's postings here on FFL. I would hazard a guess that he spends more time crouched over his laptop typing out posts to FFL than anyone else. Actually, the wordiest member I remember was the late Rory. After that comes Edward. I have a spam filter in place but I see responses to posts Edward has submitted to Buddha at the Gas Pump. It's truly amazing that people actually bother to read the 45 pages monographs he posts. Who's Edward? I don't see an Edward posting either here or in BatGap.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: Who's Edward? I don't see an Edward posting either here or in BatGap. Edg -- If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Top five health insurers posted 56 percent profit gains in 2009
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: [snip] From his real life online bio [redacted]: ___ is a private company categorized under Management Investment Open-End and located in . Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $40,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1. [snip] It's wrong! I didn't have an annual revenue of $40,000 for the company in question...IT WAS ZERO! Probably as a result of those annoying Dun and Bradstreet telemarketers that call me about once a month trying to get figures for their listings and they called me about a tradename I used about 10 years ago. Now, I don't THINK I told them misinformation but it could very well be that in a fit of irritation at the telemarketer calling me in the middle of something I told him yes when he rattled off a multiple choice question like Was the income for this company between 0 and $40,000 last year? (the next category being $40,000 to $100,000). But Bongo, you can't start your post by telling everyone that I am an evil capitalist who has his money and to hell with everyone else and then a few paragraphs later tell them I don't make much. Please. Make up your mind: Am I an evil, greedy SUCCESSFUL capitalist or am I an evil, greedy, UNSUCCESSFUL capitalist?
[FairfieldLife] Re: POST OF THE MONTH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Post of the month Too bad it's isolated semantic and interpretive word play that doesn't by any stretch effectively undermine the realities of the massive body of peer-reviewed scientific evidence of AGW. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: the Daily Mail, has taken another body blow with the paper publishing a false story claiming that Phil Jones had admitted that there had been no global warming since 1995. The original interview with Jones is here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8511670.stm I really do believe it is an extraordinary interview. It's not just some of things that Jones says, it's also the fact that it is a story carried by the BBC and by Roger Harrabin of all people. The times they are a changin'. This is one of the questions: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming His answer? Yes, he DOES agree. So, quite simply, this is NOT (in this respect) a false story. He adds to this by stating that any warming signal in this period is not statistically significant, just as any cooling from 2002 is not statistically significant. It might not be too far off the mark then to say that temperatures from 1995 have been pretty flat (according to Jones). As I recall, when I mentioned something to this effect a year or so ago, Do-reflex appeared to think I was so batty I must have just dropped in from Mars... This was enormously significant too: Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical? Although he huffs and puffs a bit, the answer is again yes, he does agree. Why is that so significant? Well it brings to the surface something that is not widely acknowledged in the media: In all the glib talk of consensus, one fact that IS generally accepted by climate scientists is that a warming period began after the end of the mini ice age (ie 1860 or so) and BEFORE industrial and post-industrial societies had had a chance to puff out too much CO2. So here he is confirming this. If warming was occurring in 1860, then this suggests that any CO2 component of warming in recent times is likely to be a forcing superimposed on an underlying warming trend (which we don't really understand). This means that attempting to evaluate empirically (scientifically) the CO2 component in the data we have (which is turning out to be very limited and of dubious quality anyway) becomes a fiendishly tricky and complex task. Possibly impossible. And certainly not possible to the degree that warmists are fond of claiming. Of course you may think CO2 induced climate change is true *a priori*. But if you do so, it's hardly reasonable of you to claim the rational and scientific high ground, is it? To bandy about phrases such as flat earthers and deniers for those who have less faith in your *a priori* methodology? Or again you may think that facts about glaciers and polar bears etc are the experimental proof for the CO2 conjecture. But all such talk looks suspiciously like modus morons! Viz: If P is True, Q will be the case Q is true Therefore P is true The error is in the first statement, which for global warmers needs to be modified to: Only if P is True, Q will be the case And that's where the events of 1860 (or the medieval warm period) assume their significance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Is it not possible for you to mix and match the strengths of the various techniques, e.g. take it easy whilst using willpower, letting go of discursive thought gradually, gently? They are two distinct different approaches, they not the same, not at all. One, Concentration or Hong Sau uses effort and control, as you progress your concentration becomes more intense, the objective of raising the prana up through the spine to the Ajna Chakra, is accomplished, it takes years and years to accomplish this. TM indirectly controls the body by influencing the mind and brings about what Swami Yogananda calls 'Conscious Sleep' but this is just the first state of meditation, if you're interested further read his book entitled The Science of Religion page 51 under The Meditational Method and The Scientific Method or Yoga, I think he describes TM very well in the meditational method. Using Kriya Yoga one learns to consciously die..and return, as you may already know. If and when meditation is taught outside of a religious context, without the use of a puja or magic prayers, I suspect that science will show that it is not only easy and effective, but will concern itself with why it had been overlooked for so long. And it will probably blame those who described meditation as difficult and those who asserted it took many years to learn and practise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. 'Simpler'? I'm not so sure about that. TM relies on the fairly finely balanced use of mantra repetition, which masquerades as simple but is actually otherwise. I wonder how many who say that concentration of willpower is more difficult than TM have actually tried it? I think we tend to parrot ideas without really doing any ammount of homework. Actually, it was a feature of Maharishi's modus operandus, to find out about 'rival' systems of meditation, but unfortunately he always made them out to be either ineffectual or too difficult. Now, given the teaching, I suspect that a great many practitioners of TM would have found some of those 'difficult' techniques quite a lot easier than they imagined. I practiced Hong Sau for almost a year, and believe me, it's more difficult, but then it's a completely different approach. Using Concentration, the object is to withdraw the prana to the point between the eyebrows, once having accomplished that, the soul or consciousness is free from the bodily cage as they say. TM is almost always accompanied with rest, not so all the time with Hong Sau or Concentration, it takes time to master it, it's something you have to practice in order to accomplish. TM is almost automatic but the results are unpredictable. Once the technique of Concentration is Mastered you can go into Samadhi, at will, anytime. Personally I feel TM is more suited for me, it's easier, the only problem is falling asleep frequently..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chocolate!
Dark chocolate is the only kind of chocolate I can eat that doesn't make me feel bad. No stomach upset (unless I eat too much, of course.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: And it's good for you! Chocolate is supposed to be anti-inflammatory in nature. A little piece of dark chocolate everyday is just what the doctor ordered! From: authfriend jst...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 8:14:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chocolate!  --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, raunchydog raunchydog@ ... wrote: Sweeten your day. Have some chocolate. Bet you can't resist. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fK8DidZT9SM feature=related When my family lived in Germany for a year during one of my father's sabbaticals when I was a kid, we became addicted to a confection called Erfrischungs- Staebchen (refreshment sticks), little chocolate logs filled with either orange or lemon syrup. Where the syrup met the chocolate coating on the inside, it crystallized, so there was a layer of chocolate, a crunchy layer, and then the citrusy liquid. The combination of tastes and textures was just out of this world. When we got back to the States, we were thrilled to find them in a local store that stocked imported candy. For a long time they were the highlight of our Christmas stockings every year, a box for each of us. Then the store closed, and we couldn't get them any more, a huge disappointment. But two years ago, my sister discovered a mail-order source. She kept mum about it until Christmas morning, when I discovered a box in my stocking up at her house up in Vermont. Man, you'd have thought she'd given me a box of pure gold. I couldn't believe they were the same thing until I actually bit into one. One of life's little thrills... She won't tell me where she got them. But I found some on German eBay: http://cgi.ebay. de/SAROTTI- ERFRISCHUNGSSTAB CHEN-ORANGE- ZITRONE-75- GRAMM_W0QQitemZ3 70210531167QQcmd ZViewItemQQptZS% C3%BC%C3% 9Fwaren_Pralinen ?hash=item563244 675f http://tinyurl. com/yapo2lz If you like the combination of chocolate and citrus, try 'em. You won't be sorry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
No Shemp, I think you've probably got him beat. Quite a comment to make coming from you of all people! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Gosh, I wish I had the time to do a word count on Barry Wright's postings here on FFL. I would hazard a guess that he spends more time crouched over his laptop typing out posts to FFL than anyone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is a phrase one runs across from time to time, an embarrassment of riches. I don't know about anyone else, but having logged off early in the posting day yesterday to go out and...uh...actually be with someone I love on Valentine's Day and do fun things, it was quite a shock to skim through what was posted after I left. Same old topics, trotted out by the same old angry people as if they should receive the same old attention. A couple of them went into actual meltdowns trying to start fights. An embarrassment of poverty. Poor in intellect, poor in spirit, and above all poor in love. Especially on a day devoted to it. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: POST OF THE MONTH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Post of the month Too bad it's isolated semantic and interpretive word play that doesn't by any stretch effectively undermine the realities of the massive body of peer-reviewed scientific evidence of AGW. I think that's the longest sentence John Manning has ever written in the many years he has been posting to FFL and AMT. And I count at least 4 words with more than 3 syllables. John, you must be tuckered out. May I suggest a long, hot bath and a siesta? No one here will miss you for the 48 hours it should take you to recover from your exertion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: No Shemp, I think you've probably got him beat. Quite a comment to make coming from you of all people! ...just as long as you read every precious word I write, Joe, and I will cop a guilty plea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Gosh, I wish I had the time to do a word count on Barry Wright's postings here on FFL. I would hazard a guess that he spends more time crouched over his laptop typing out posts to FFL than anyone else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is a phrase one runs across from time to time, an embarrassment of riches. I don't know about anyone else, but having logged off early in the posting day yesterday to go out and...uh...actually be with someone I love on Valentine's Day and do fun things, it was quite a shock to skim through what was posted after I left. Same old topics, trotted out by the same old angry people as if they should receive the same old attention. A couple of them went into actual meltdowns trying to start fights. An embarrassment of poverty. Poor in intellect, poor in spirit, and above all poor in love. Especially on a day devoted to it. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
Patanjali mentions the 'pranava', but does not state that it is 'om'. AUM is not, strictly speaking, a 'bija' mantra. AUM isn't mentioned in the Yoga Sutras nor in the Rig Veda. Vaj: According to bija-mantra dictionaries, AUM is a bija mantra. You don't get 'bija' mantras from a book or a dictionary - you get bija mantras from a guru in an initiation ceremony. The mono syllable 'AUM' is a mantra, not a bija mantra, Vaj. If you don't get the bija from a guru, then it does not have the 'shakti', it's just a nonsensical sound, without the empowerment. Any word or phrase can be a bija mantra if the guru says it is. According to the Swami Ageananda Bharati, AUM is a mantra 'by courtesy only'. For example, AUM or OM isn't included in the Gayatri. Om is not a bija mantra used in TM. So, Patanjali doesn't say anything about the 'TM' bija mantras and where they came from. Duh. The YS is not a text on mantra, it's a Nath text on yoga, maybe that's why! The Yoga Sutra of Patanjali (circa 200 BC), was composed long before the advent of the Nath tradition (Matsyendranath). Bija mantras didn't come into use in India until the age of the Indian alchemists (Naga Arjuna). Vernon Katz made the translation and they seem to be pretty standard. I've compared Katz's translation with Swami Prabhupada's word for word translations and they are near the same. Actually according to the MUM download on the Gita, Marshy translated it. It was probably a collaborative effort between the Maharishi, Vernon Katz, and his students. But, it's pretty obvious who made most of the cogent comments. Almost all translations of the Gita follow a standard linguistics and transliteration. BHAGAVAD-GITA: http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/index-english.html Interesting for someone who couldn't read Sanskrit! Yes, it's interesting why you'd assume that the Maharishi, a physics graduate of Allahabad University, and a student of spiritual paths for fifty years, couldn't read or speak Sanskrit. You're not even making any sense! Almost any child in grade school level can be taught how to read and speak a language in just a few years, Vaj. The Maharishi could not only read and write Sanskrit - he was obviously multi-lingual, being able to converse on spiritual subjects in not only Sanskrit, but Hindi, English, Urdu and probably several other common prakrits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: POST OF THE MONTH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Post of the month Too bad it's isolated semantic and interpretive word play that doesn't by any stretch effectively undermine the realities of the massive body of peer-reviewed scientific evidence of AGW. I think that's the longest sentence John Manning has ever written in the many years he has been posting to FFL and AMT. And I count at least 4 words with more than 3 syllables. John, you must be tuckered out. May I suggest a long, hot bath and a siesta? No one here will miss you for the 48 hours it should take you to recover from your exertion. Translation: Maybe if I change the subject nobody will notice what John said and that the McShremp is STILL full of shit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
nadarrombus: patanjali is the creator of the real siddhi program, patanjali golden dome, not maharishi golden dome... FYI: The 'Patanjali' Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge is located in Fairfield, Iowa, USA. The 'Maharishi' Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge is located in Austin, Texas, USA. krishna is the creator of transcendental meditation, the song of god-gita not the song of maharishi. maharishi is the middle man and as it is known among the wise to get the real deal you need to eliminate the middle man... According to our Guru Dev, transcendental meditation is the 'real thing, the whole thing'. you don't seem to have decent critical thinking skills, reading skills or the desire to understand truth which is standard tmo, - the middle man sold you down the river... All I'm saying is that Patanjali didn't say anything about the TM bija mantras or where they came from. If you can find a TM bija mantra in the Yoga Sutras, why not just post it, and let us TMer experts decide if it's a TM bija mantra or not. Simple.
[FairfieldLife] Proposed Minnesota bill would invalidate millions of marriages
Short news clip about the bill that would ban marriage between people who don't love each other. http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_law_would_ban_marriages
[FairfieldLife] Here's another one that needs rebuttal
The London Times is not the Daily Mail World may not be warming, say scientists http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece If this story is gaining traction in reputable media, and if it is not legitimate, where is the response from the scientific community, if that community is nearly unanimous on AGW?
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
nadarrombus: you don't seem to have decent critical thinking skills, reading skills or the desire to understand truth... Vaj: That's our Little Willy. So, Vaj, you don't have all the answers. LOL! Yoga citta vritti nirodha. (Yoga is the cessation of the mental turnings of the mind.) Yoga Sutra, I.1.2 There is a transformation of primary, undifferentiated matter or prakriti into the constituents of existence, the three gunas. Reversing this process through the practice of TM, that is, experiencing a less excited state of mental thought, transcending to the least excited state of thought, is the opposite of the evolutionary process i.e. involution, or tracing the transformation in reverse order. The three stages delineated by Sage Patanjali are transcendental consciousness, unity consciousness, and cosmic consciousness. Read more: From: Willytex Subject: The Discriminating Adept Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: November 20, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/ykwclye
[FairfieldLife] New TM ad photo for the 'hood?
Either that, or a commercial for Shemp's brand of me-first capitalism. You decide. [http://i.imgur.com/iXPNO.jpg] http://i.imgur.com/iXPNO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iXPNO.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Microbial Breakthrough to Make Diesel Directly From Non-Food Plant Waste : Gas 2.0
The brighter side of genetic engineering. http://gas2.org/2010/01/28/microbial-breakthrough-to-make-diesel-directly-fr om-non-food-plant-waste/?utm_source=PESWiki.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Here's another one that needs rebuttal
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: The London Times is not the Daily Mail World may not be warming, say scientists http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece If this story is gaining traction in reputable media, and if it is not legitimate, where is the response from the scientific community, if that community is nearly unanimous on AGW? Three thoughts. 1) Remember WMDs? Who believed in them? 2) We have the best press and MPs/MCs money can buy. 3) Amma doesn't want climate change in her plan for world dominance. (see exAmma Yahoo! forum for more details). -- If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Is it not possible for you to mix and match the strengths of the various techniques, e.g. take it easy whilst using willpower, letting go of discursive thought gradually, gently? Several have tried this, most ending up with a terrible headache.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:57 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Is it not possible for you to mix and match the strengths of the various techniques, e.g. take it easy whilst using willpower, letting go of discursive thought gradually, gently? Several have tried this, most ending up with a terrible headache. Then they didn't know what they were doing. The longer you dive, the more relaxed you gotta be.
[FairfieldLife] Dating tip for reluctantly-celibate Purusha guys -- go YouTube
Hey, it worked for this guy...maybe it'll work for you. In a move sure to inspire hundreds of copycats, 17-year-old Dakota Ridge High School senior Conner Cordova used a series of YouTube videos http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=arianny+promsearch_type=a\ q=f to get UFC Octagon Girl and Maxim model Arianny Celeste http://www.missariannyceleste.com/ to go to the prom with him http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-ufc-date-020310,0,6145004.story . The Colorado teen took shamelessness to new heights to win his dream girl, including getting UFC fighters to assist him, dancing like a fool in Las Vegas and wearing a fake mustache. Arianny's reply (which she posted a few weeks later): She'll go to prom, as long as Cordova has a date for her friend. Unsurprisingly, Cordova didn't seem to have any problems finding someone to fit the bill. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XQpVfI_r4; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XQpVfI_r4;
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here's another one that needs rebuttal
It's no surprise that newspapers like to sell newspapers by using controversial headlines - the London Times [like some of the top US main stream newspapers do as well] is no exception. Unfortunately in the pursuit of juicy controversial stories, the realities of the actual solid research found in the huge volumes of peer-reviewed scientific papers get obscured and muddied. This particular article includes comments from know AGW deniers/skeptics such as weatherman [with no credentials] Anthony Watts, Ross McKitrick, professor of economics and Terry Mills, professor of applied statistics and econometrics. At the end of the article itself however, we find: = = Kevin Trenberth, a lead author of the chapter of the IPCC report that deals with the observed temperature changes, said he accepted there were problems with the global thermometer record but these had been accounted for in the final report. It's not just temperature rises that tell us the world is warming, he said. We also have physical changes like the fact that sea levels have risen around five inches since 1972, the Arctic icecap has declined by 40% and snow cover in the northern hemisphere has declined. The European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts has recently issued a new set of global temperature readings covering the past 30 years, with thermometer readings augmented by satellite data. Dr Vicky Pope, head of climate change advice at the Met Office, said: This new set of data confirms the trend towards rising global temperatures and suggest that, if anything, the world is warming even more quickly than we had thought. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The London Times is not the Daily Mail World may not be warming, say scientists http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece If this story is gaining traction in reputable media, and if it is not legitimate, where is the response from the scientific community, if that community is nearly unanimous on AGW?
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
I agree Vaj. But if one is too achievement-orientated then the process can be strained and cause headache. However, in my experience, if one is easy-going about the whole business, and accepts that sometimes one will be more in tune with the process than others, then great depths of silence can be attained easily. And the effect of that silence is deeply refreshing.. Oh but then you know I guess. The main thing is that people are not put off by this 'difficult' label which for so long has kept people from finding the stark simplicity and fulfillingness of meditation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:57 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Is it not possible for you to mix and match the strengths of the various techniques, e.g. take it easy whilst using willpower, letting go of discursive thought gradually, gently? Several have tried this, most ending up with a terrible headache. Then they didn't know what they were doing. The longer you dive, the more relaxed you gotta be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m 13 meowthirt...@... wrote: snip You mentioned there were others that were on the forum ..at a time when most were out spending the most precious of commodities-Time consider then, snip maybe not one soul wraps their wings around them perhaps there is no comfort for them yesterday at this time set aside to Give to each other perhaps they were alone OR with someone, yet alone OR consider perhaps they had set aside time later in the evening to accommodate another's schedule perhaps one shouldn't assume that anyone who made posts after one went out continued to make them for the rest of the day and never went out (or welcomed someone in) themselves perhaps they spent as much time giving and receiving as the one who boasts about the time he spent doing so perhaps even more but they don't feel the need to boast about it nor portray others as not having had that opportunity ya think?
[FairfieldLife] A Brief History Of Pretty Much Everything
Remember flip book animation? It came before video. Kids doodled on successive pages in class and then flipped the pages to animate things. This kid used that technique to create a YouTube video depicting the entire history of creation in three minutes. I think he did a damned good job of it. http://gammasquad.uproxx.com/2010/02/a-brief-summary-of-everything http://gammasquad.uproxx.com/2010/02/a-brief-summary-of-everything
[FairfieldLife] rebuttal
WHAT are they talking about!She remarked as her gaze driften off to the window ... The gray and the white suffocated her sunshine driven heart Dying for lack of Light. Global warming ;they cried, as she shivered in the Iowa winter that drug on and on and on and on like sweater torn and unraveling from a kitten running along , playing with the once garment , torturing the owner. -Meow
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: I agree Vaj. But if one is too achievement-orientated then the process can be strained and cause headache. However, in my experience, if one is easy-going about the whole business, and accepts that sometimes one will be more in tune with the process than others, then great depths of silence can be attained easily. And the effect of that silence is deeply refreshing.. Oh but then you know I guess. The main thing is that people are not put off by this 'difficult' label which for so long has kept people from finding the stark simplicity and fulfillingness of meditation. TM IS easy, because it's a passive process, recommended by Yogis down through time, but it's not the BEST way according to Swami Yogananda. Direct control of the Prana is more direct apparently, pranayama is the key to transcending or ascending the chakras which is the only way to enlightenment. The seven doors must be opened and the spinal fire kundalini (shakti) must be awakened to ascend to Shiva the seventh Chakra. You can meditate all you want but until you actually awaken kundalini you are merely experiencing peace, which is good but not the final aim of Yoga.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
perhaps... one never really knows, does one-? It was out of love of my heart and a hope the love would come out of yours too , and everyones let's not bite, shall we-? It's not in the Law of things to induce suffering, no it's not healing. Love you-Meow
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL on VD: An embarrassment of poverty
TurquoiseB wrote: There is a phrase one runs across from time to time, an embarrassment of riches. I don't know about anyone else, but having logged off early in the posting day yesterday to go out and...uh...actually be with someone I love on Valentine's Day and do fun things, it was quite a shock to skim through what was posted after I left. Same old topics, trotted out by the same old angry people as if they should receive the same old attention. A couple of them went into actual meltdowns trying to start fights. An embarrassment of poverty. Poor in intellect, poor in spirit, and above all poor in love. Especially on a day devoted to it. Just sayin'... Another goof on your part since you're not in the US. The promotions for VD were to celebrate it on Saturday the 13th not Sunday. Most of the restaurant deals were for that. To those of us who were born Brahmacharayas and didn't necessarily want to be but karma just pegs us for that it's Valentine's Day bah humbug! I've probably told the story too many times before but at the watering hole for the company I worked at in the 90's I held a Valentines Day Bah Humbug party for the singles in the company. It was quite popular except for the owner of the place who hated the idea and from then on made sure he had a Valentine's Day thing from then on. VD is just another commercial holiday for Hallmark to rake in buttloads of dough as well as Mars, Hershey and florists to do the same.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anyone Tried Yogic Flying?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo fintlewoodle...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip No-one will ever see what I have and it's hard to take a reductionist attempt to fit my experience into what is already known. It doesn't stop me trying though, we are so good at kidding ourselves we don't have to be not the faking type to be the unintentionally gullible type and being in a belief system like the TMO is surely a headstart towards taking all sorts of strange stuff seriously. Or is it, or isn't it? I wasn't into any of the strange stuff part until I began having experiences I couldn't explain otherwise. And these were NOT experiences that had been suggested to me. They weren't even flashy experiences, just *novel* ones. snip I'm very dubious that anything we can map or measure scientifically will tell us whether all subjective experience is an illusion. (Just for one thing, it's other brains doing the interpreting of the data.) Brains thinking about brains. That is a wild idea. Interesting that the brain doesn't instinctively know what it is. Greek brains thought that it was for keeping blood cool. One of the intersting bits of mind to observe is that parts of consciousness do things that the other bits aren't aware of. How does that work? How can part of my brain conjure up nightmares. And why bother? Well, I was thinking more about the nature of consciousness, why we're not zombies (in the philosophical sense). Trying to figure out what consciousness is via the use of consciousness. snip Been there, a wild ride, I travelled in time, met god, became god, explored all past lives, and swam ina sea of infinity more times than I could count. And where is all that stored in your brain? Where did the data of the experiences come from? I'd say it was invented in the same way that the dreaming mind conjurs up all sorts of fantastic stuff. See, that's where I just get boggled. I see stuff in my dreams that I've *never* seen before, either live or in photos or drawings, haven't read about, etc. Plenty of what I see *is* familiar, but some of it simply ain't. (On the other hand...I just learned yesterday something I'd never heard, although apparently it's been public knowledge for awhile--that Francis Crick came up with the double helix while high on LSD. For some reason I get a huge kick out of that.) Except it happens when you're awake. I'd always see greek gods in the clouds for instance. Really beautiful living statues with the same sort of religious awe you get when deeply transcending. Why gods? Maybe that's the language of the subconscious. You never see what you expect to see though, it's quite impressive what you can come up with at a moments notice. But the brain is like that anyway but with halucinogens it all gets turned up to 11. The sense get crossed too, smelling colour that's an interesting one. An illusion made out of illusions! But very similar to the smell of bliss one gets after meditation sometimes. There is so much interesting potential research here. That's for sure. snip It's the way we usually create the illusion within ourselves of there being a three dimensional world that gets changed, the contents are removed or altered by the unconscious dreamscape taking over. No idea what you mean here--could you elaborate? Simply that the world we think we perceive is an illusion created from sense data. A large part of mental activity is in keeping this illusion accurate enough so we can get through the day. Drop a hit of acid and it all goes haywire with senses getting crossed and what seems like the part of the brain that does vision playing around and seeing what it can make of what's coming in. Gotcha. And you get to know what goes on deep down in your mind by the sort of things you see. There has to be an internal predeliction for something for it to be chosen as resembling what's out there and then the usual illusion gets transformed into gods, devils, something funny or sexy. We all have a different trip but it always sounds kind of similar, our shared unconscious perhaps. The quality of it depends a lot on how happy you are inside. I must've been very happy. I think you'll love this book. The author is very into finding common patterns behind psychedelic experience. He gets awfully heavily at times into using psychedelics to save the world, but you can skip over those parts. snip I'm pretty well convinced that the brain mediates consciousness rather than creating it, that the brain is a sort of reducing valve, as Huxley put it, for something infinitely (you should pardon the term) vast. In this sense, expansion of consciousness is a matter of getting the brain's reducing function out of the way, neutralizing it, bypassing it, evading it, shutting it down. I instinctively
[FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: TM is a much more passive process, but simpler for most people. Concentration, once mastered, is more controllable using the WILL.. 'Simpler'? I'm not so sure about that. TM relies on the fairly finely balanced use of mantra repetition, which masquerades as simple but is actually otherwise. I wonder how many who say that concentration of willpower is more difficult than TM have actually tried it? waving hand I did. Couldn't get anywhere, hated it, gave it up as a bad job. Main reason I tried TM is that it *didn't* use concentration.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jones: His job is to organise data, but he's not very good with data
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: On the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8513000/8513893.stm Harrabin: Nothing (in Climategate that I've seen) challenges the mainstream view of science...[a few seconds later]...but it is calling into question in many people's minds the fundamentals of the science itself. That's OK then? Mainstream = sound, fundamentals = wobbly? I think there may have been an unspoken mistakenly there in between is and calling... No, to me ear it sounded like definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, not to put too fine a point on it Definitely this is what they're thinking, without a shadow of a doubt, not to put too fine a point on it (but of course they're mistaken). Unless the guy is schizophrenic or talking in Zen riddles or something, that's what he *must* have meant, if he preceded it by saying Nothing challenges the mainstream view of science. No?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
The sad problem with TM'ers is most never strayed far from the extremely limited teachings of MMY (or yoga lite as I call it). I swear he learned early on the white folks were just damn too stupid or ignorant to give much knowledge to and when he did they would SO misunderstand it as to get it backwards. However other teachers such as Sivananda didn't seem to have this problem. He had white folks followers and I often kick myself that so many times in the 1980s I was killing time in Spokane, Washington. If I had know one of his disciples lived there and wrote a book on mantras I would have contacted her. Sivananda and Devananda share much on the subject of mantra shastra (at least info that can be made so public). It is interesting to note that Om is considered a mantra for use for vata imbalances (though Ram is more frequently used). It has a grounding influence and that is why it precedes mantras. As I've mentioned here before I once read in a book by an Indian whose father was a guru and who he described as being like a baby who had to be attended by his devotees (and most likely by his son). He had a section on TM which he seemed to be familiar with. He noted the lack of Omkara in the techniques and said that he felt it was making TM'ers uncentered which I think is true. Depending on the physiology of the individual this may or may not arise. It probably would not in people who are kapha but terribly in people who are vata. In fact most people I know who had problems with TM have been vata or pitta in nature. I live in the SF Bay Area and there are quite a few Indians in the communities around here. Many of the Indians who run shops around here are ex-engineers who wanted to work for themselves. They are of Brahman caste and know a lot about mantras, pujas, etc. They always revile at the idea of mantras being given without Omkara and think the idea that Om will make someone impoverished is nonsense. They may say that Om by itself might do that and keep in mind what happens as one becomes more kapha. Having walked away from TM 25 years ago I am now enjoying the instruction of a tantric samrat who resides in the Bay Area and has taught me much about simple village tantra where is none of the intellectual masturbation that accompanies so many teachings to obscure things. His teaching includes mantra shastra, a guru mantra and powerful tantric siddhis (one very useful for shutting up yappers in movie theaters). nadarrombus wrote: i think if you say or hear om properly you will be hearing or saying the hum of life. you could also think it properly and experience the source of life... agni -inga aing aima shyama shiring shreem kring and so on -whatever- the point is yoga the sutras of patanjali and bhagavad gita mention om as the source of all sounds and extol its use, the other bijas, tantric gods to fetch favor, maharishi thought were better because of course god and the founder of yoga needed his holiness to straighten things out, ha...like jesus needs a pope freakin ignorant... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Microbial Breakthrough to Make Diesel Directly From Non-Food Plant Waste : Gas 2.0
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The brighter side of genetic engineering. http://gas2.org/2010/01/28/microbial-breakthrough-to-make-diesel-directly-fr om-non-food-plant-waste/?utm_source=PESWiki.com I don't know why YOU'RE happy about this, Rick. Diesel is still a carbon based fuel regardless of whether it's sucked out of the ground or a bug makes it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bollywood on Hulu
A little follow-up for you Indiaphiles, after I finished 13-B I tried another film 1920 another Bollywood film which is presented in widescreen. I watched a little of it and it sort of reminded me of an early 1950's Bollywood film I once watched and probably is a remake. Bollywood isn't all that original and the 13-B plot is stolen from a Japanese film whose title I can't recall at the moment. I had a DVD to watch and so popped it in and it occurred to me to get the Coby FM transmitter I use to play podcasts over my car radio and use it with my AV Receiver. So I plugged it into the headphone jack on my laptop and suddenly the DVD came alive over my surround system. George Lucas was right about sound being so important in movies. Bhairitu wrote: Being that my 53 HD set is suffering power supply problems and best to leave off (except for setting up DVR recordings) I watched part of a movie on Hulu last night. I was attracted to a Bollywood horror offering 13 B which is a story about a successful Indian businessman who moves his family into a haunted apartment. The movie is like many Bollywood films pretty dumb but in a different way than dumb Hollywood films. It also shows you how wacky Indians can be. It also give you a taste of how life is in modern Bombay (a bit different than when I was there in 1996). It's over 2 hours long (like many Bollywood movies) and yes love scenes are replaced by dancing. Unfortunately it isn't presented in widescreen (come on Hulu, so many computers are running 16:9 monitors anymore. All my laptops, I watched it on one of them, even have 16:9 screens). I had to laugh at one scene where the guy is told his apartment has bad Vastu and the subtitle puts Feng Shui in parentheses behind the word vastu. ;-) http://www.hulu.com/13-b
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: patanjali yoga sutras answer all questions on siddhi program
On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Premanand wrote: I agree Vaj. But if one is too achievement-orientated then the process can be strained and cause headache. However, in my experience, if one is easy-going about the whole business, and accepts that sometimes one will be more in tune with the process than others, then great depths of silence can be attained easily. And the effect of that silence is deeply refreshing.. Oh but then you know I guess. The main thing is that people are not put off by this 'difficult' label which for so long has kept people from finding the stark simplicity and fulfillingness of meditation. Some teachers warn against over reliance on silence. I think once you've recognized silence, it's time to move on, unless you're serious about deeply cultivating that angle of the path. Otherwise you just become addicted to your meditation, which is not a good thing. You become an endogenous heroin addict. IMO Robert Thurman nailed it when he said: If you go meditate right away, as an ignorant person, you will [simply] deepen your ignorance! Meditation is a neutral tool. It will heighten whatever your state is--whatever your understanding is--so that is what they [his teachers] would say. But then, it's very interesting, you [the moderator] were saying about transcendence, because when I did get to the parts in my [meditation] books that my original teacher, an old Mongolian gentleman (who strangely lived in New Jersey, not India!)...when I got to the parts on Dhyana or Contemplation, I was into doing whatever Nagarjuna said (in the book). I would get into these abstracted states pretty easily actually. And that man [his guru] had a diabolical sense--I think he must have been clairvoyant or something--every time I would begin to float out of the world, he'd show up, even if it was 2 a.m.! He'd say why aren't you sleeping!?; You'd better come have some yogurt with me! Or if it was the daytime he'd say let's go do some work in the garden--you're just sitting around! And he would always interrupt me. And even when we got to the part of the text he'd say you don't need that part and more study! And I think because I would have become attached to a kind of quietism--that I think a lot of Buddhists and a lot of spiritual people get into. Where they find the world jangly and bothersome. And then they withdraw into a place where they don't have to think about that. It's kind of like a Prozac [state of consciousness]. They get a lot of endorphins flying and they really transcend. And it isn't a true nondualism. There's no compassion in it. There's a self-centered, kind of narcissistic thing. There's a great danger in meditation. --- Robert Thurman, Global Spirit, The Spiritual Quest (LinkTV) 14:20
[FairfieldLife] Re: students can now attend mum without learning tm,- and the puja is optional
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I've heard is that he was a case of arrested development. He never had a real childhood, and he remained very immature emotionally. It was easier for him to relate to children than to adults (especially given his superstar status, where all the adults he knew wanted a piece of him), so he surrounded himself with children, who at least wouldn't try to take advantage of him. At the same time, he could model the loving father he never had. He was essentially redoing his own childhood. You know where this came from? Michael Jackson describing why his desire to sleep with young boys (never young girls) was not a case of homosexual pedophilia, but instead was ...you know...an innocent 'ting. I have heard interviews with physiologists tearing this nonsense apart. Physiologists?? Having a working showbiz childhood doesn't make it necessary to sleep in the bed with only boys of a very specific age. Make it necessary is a straw man; nobody's saying it was *necessary*. He *wanted* to do it, had the means and the opportunity to do it, didn't see any reason not to do it. I think you must have missed the part where I said it was sick, and that Jackson was deeply psychologically damaged. There is another name for this behavior. And how exactly is sleeping with young boys regaining his lost youth? Never said he was. I said he was *redoing his childhood*. Words have meanings, Curtis. Boys don't sleep with each other. They don't make out with each other and Michael has been seen making out with dozens of young boys by his staff, by stewardesses on planes, by parents who realized they had made a big mistake to trust him. And you don't need pictures of naked young boys to reclaim lost youth either and hundreds of pictures were seized at Neverland. And exactly how many decades of being a child does it take, 5 of them? No pity party for superstar millionaire Michael. And people who have done business with him know him as a ruthless, super ambitious business man, (without the girlie voice act, he doesn't usually negotiate with that voice.) I have to say I think you have a striking lack of understanding as to the extent of the complexities of human nature. snip more of same snip At least now I have a better understanding of why he got away with it all those years. The fact that you would even repeat his own excuse as if it is a legitimate psychological thoery amazes me. I don't believe I made any claims for it other than it was the best explanation *I* had heard. Hmm, you seem to have snipped that part of my post. Isn't it funny how you can't seem to write a rebuttal without putting words in my mouth? The hit piece on Sneddon was lame and had nothing substantial to do with this case. Oh, my. Trying to demonize a prosecutor as being obsessed when he was trying to bring a molester of children to justice after the first case's victim was paid off in millions is the lamest kind of ad hominem attempt. Can you rebut any of the documented claims about how that obsession created a situation that was manifestly unfair to Jackson? Nothing wrong with simply being obsessed as long as it doesn't lead you off the straight and narrow. snip Me: Michael Jackson was a child molester Judy: Quite sure of that, are you? Have some insider info? me: (I name a book written by the molested child's uncle.) Judy from another post: Just thought it was pretty funny that immediately after you (mistakenly) dismissed the two detailed Wikipedia articles as put up by fans, you'd tout a book about the case written by a close family member of the accuser. Me: So insider information is requested and then when it is provided, It's my understanding that Ray Chandler had no or very little contact with his brother. In any case, when I asked if you had insider information, I meant (as I suspect you know) legitimate evidence that hasn't yet been revealed. I did not mean the account of somebody on the inside of one of the two factions. It would never occur to me to cite a book by one of the Jacksons as determinative with regard to Michael being innocent. snip Fans and a person with a front row seat on this tragedy have nothing in common. Fans? What fans are involved here? I'll say again, *I don't know* whether Jackson molested children. There was just too much ambiguity and contradictory testimony and strange behavior on both sides for me to be confident either way. snip This posting topic started because I made a joke about Michael's death. And when Richard accused me of being prejudiced for making it, you piled on, defending both Richard and Michael. Ooops, now you're just flat-out lying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: students can now attend mum without learning tm,- and the puja is optional
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip This posting topic started because I made a joke about Michael's death. And when Richard accused me of being prejudiced for making it, you piled on, defending both Richard and Michael. Nice work. Stalker defending stalker. Just sayin'... Curtis is lying about my having defended Willytex. Of course, that doesn't bother Barry...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
The Srimad Bhagavatam recognizes Om to be a powerful mantra. But it also warns that the mantra can make you poor in the relative sense, as MMY taught. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: The sad problem with TM'ers is most never strayed far from the extremely limited teachings of MMY (or yoga lite as I call it). I swear he learned early on the white folks were just damn too stupid or ignorant to give much knowledge to and when he did they would SO misunderstand it as to get it backwards. However other teachers such as Sivananda didn't seem to have this problem. He had white folks followers and I often kick myself that so many times in the 1980s I was killing time in Spokane, Washington. If I had know one of his disciples lived there and wrote a book on mantras I would have contacted her. Sivananda and Devananda share much on the subject of mantra shastra (at least info that can be made so public). It is interesting to note that Om is considered a mantra for use for vata imbalances (though Ram is more frequently used). It has a grounding influence and that is why it precedes mantras. As I've mentioned here before I once read in a book by an Indian whose father was a guru and who he described as being like a baby who had to be attended by his devotees (and most likely by his son). He had a section on TM which he seemed to be familiar with. He noted the lack of Omkara in the techniques and said that he felt it was making TM'ers uncentered which I think is true. Depending on the physiology of the individual this may or may not arise. It probably would not in people who are kapha but terribly in people who are vata. In fact most people I know who had problems with TM have been vata or pitta in nature. I live in the SF Bay Area and there are quite a few Indians in the communities around here. Many of the Indians who run shops around here are ex-engineers who wanted to work for themselves. They are of Brahman caste and know a lot about mantras, pujas, etc. They always revile at the idea of mantras being given without Omkara and think the idea that Om will make someone impoverished is nonsense. They may say that Om by itself might do that and keep in mind what happens as one becomes more kapha. Having walked away from TM 25 years ago I am now enjoying the instruction of a tantric samrat who resides in the Bay Area and has taught me much about simple village tantra where is none of the intellectual masturbation that accompanies so many teachings to obscure things. His teaching includes mantra shastra, a guru mantra and powerful tantric siddhis (one very useful for shutting up yappers in movie theaters). nadarrombus wrote: i think if you say or hear om properly you will be hearing or saying the hum of life. you could also think it properly and experience the source of life... agni -inga aing aima shyama shiring shreem kring and so on -whatever- the point is yoga the sutras of patanjali and bhagavad gita mention om as the source of all sounds and extol its use, the other bijas, tantric gods to fetch favor, maharishi thought were better because of course god and the founder of yoga needed his holiness to straighten things out, ha...like jesus needs a pope freakin ignorant... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems to be 'agni' backwards. In my understanding the main purpose of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff. So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: The Srimad Bhagavatam recognizes Om to be a powerful mantra. But it also warns that the mantra can make you poor in the relative sense, as MMY taught. As I recall, what he said about Om was that it's a mantra for recluses, that it facilitates withdrawal from the world--very effective for the recluse, but exactly the opposite of what a householder needs. One of the effects of that could be poverty, in that one simply isn't able to function effectively enough to make a living. But it could also lead one to withdraw from one's family, etc., etc.--any activities that require involvement in the world would be weakened.
[FairfieldLife] Rising seas threaten sacred Indian island
India's Sacred Sagar Island is Shrinking Away by Philip Reeves http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=2101062 - February 15, 2010 [Pilgrims take a holy dip at a lagoon on Sagar Island] Pilgrims take a holy dip at a lagoon on the occasion of Makar Sankranti at Gangasagar on Sagar Island, the confluence of the Ganges River and Bay of Bengal, on Jan. 14. A scientist says the sacred island has shrunk by nearly 10 square miles in the past 40 years, displacing thousands of people. Varun Pyke has come to the edge of the Indian island where he has spent all 50 years of his life, to recount the story of the riches that he has now lost. He gloomily jabs a finger out toward the water, pointing well beyond the gray waves lapping on the shores of the long, wide beach on which he is standing. A mile or two out, there lies what used to be his farm, explains Pyke, a wiry man in a vest and wraparound lunghi. He says he had 5 acres, all now part of the seabed. Rising water levels compelled Pyke to move inland; now he has only 2 acres to farm, barely enough to survive. Pyke lives on Sagar Island, off the east coast of India. It is part of the Sundarbans, a giant low-lying archipelago that straddles India and Bangladesh, fanning out into the Bay of Bengal. More than 4 million people live on the Indian side. The delta is wrapped in the world's largest block of mangrove forest and is the habitat of the endangered royal Bengal tiger, which also is threatened by the rising waters. Standing next to Pyke is a neighbor from his village, a small, brightly clad, middle-aged woman called Durga Pal. She says the water has also swallowed up most of her family's land. Like Pyke, she is struggling to get by on a small patch of land, near the beach. Our grandparents and our parents all used to stay here, she said. We had a lot of wealth and a lot of land before this. But now we are left with very little land and very little money to survive on. She is surrounded by the rubble of a giant brick wall. Large broken lumps of brickwork are scattered along the beach in a straight line, as far as the eye can see. This is the remains of a barrier built by the authorities. Villagers say a cyclone ripped down the wall five years ago. Pal and Pyke believe that if the wall is not replaced, they will both soon lose all of their remaining land. Pyke does not sound optimistic. Saltwater has flooded his home several times recently. This year, all my land will be gone because the barrier is gone, Pyke said. He will likely be forced to turn to low-paid laboring. [In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island.] Enlarge Bikas Das/AP In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island, site of annual religious festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of visitors. The 20-mile-long island is shrinking at an accelerating pace. [In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island.] Bikas Das/AP In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island, site of annual religious festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of visitors. The 20-mile-long island is shrinking at an accelerating pace. The perimeter of the giant scattering of islands, mudflats and swampy jungle that make up the Sunderbans have been shifting around for centuries, partly because of silt and subsidence. But scientists and locals say the rise in water levels began accelerating a few years ago. Since 2000, the trend is actually steeper, upwards, steeper, said Pranabes Sanyal of India's Coastal Zone Management Authority. Day by day, the deterioration is going on. Day by day, more salinization is going on. Sagar Island is less than 20 miles long. Sanyal estimates that in the past 40 years, its size has shrunk by nearly 10 square miles. Thousands of people have been displaced. Oceanography professor Sugata Hazra agrees: For the last 20 to 30 years, we are getting more cyclones and we are losing land to the sea. This is the reality. Hazra is worried by a recent surge in skepticism about climate change, fueled by widely publicized mistakes made by the U.N.'s climate change panel, including the prediction that the Himalayan glaciers could be gone in 25 years. Hazra concedes that climate change scientists make mistakes and should correct them. But he adds: If they lose the battle to this lobby who are trying to discredit the science of climate change, who are trying to defame the scientists, the world loses the battle. Hazra says sea levels in the Sundarbans are rising at a rate well above the global average. Several small inhabited islands have been completely submerged in the past few decades. He stresses that the causes are many and complex. But he has no doubt that human beings are playing a part. Look, it is definitely a factor. It is not that it is just a possibility. One of the most important factors is man-made climate change. The islanders
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising seas threaten sacred Indian island
Someone will have to explain sea level to me. I certainly understand when lakes or rivers within enclosed land can rise or fall. But bodies of water, such as the topic here, connected to the oceans of the world are all at sea level, no? Certainly, tides may rise up or down and cover or uncover land...but how can any of this be permanent by rising sea levels when, as I understand it, the entire connected oceans of the world would have to rise simultaneously? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: India's Sacred Sagar Island is Shrinking Away by Philip Reeves http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=2101062 - February 15, 2010 [Pilgrims take a holy dip at a lagoon on Sagar Island] Pilgrims take a holy dip at a lagoon on the occasion of Makar Sankranti at Gangasagar on Sagar Island, the confluence of the Ganges River and Bay of Bengal, on Jan. 14. A scientist says the sacred island has shrunk by nearly 10 square miles in the past 40 years, displacing thousands of people. Varun Pyke has come to the edge of the Indian island where he has spent all 50 years of his life, to recount the story of the riches that he has now lost. He gloomily jabs a finger out toward the water, pointing well beyond the gray waves lapping on the shores of the long, wide beach on which he is standing. A mile or two out, there lies what used to be his farm, explains Pyke, a wiry man in a vest and wraparound lunghi. He says he had 5 acres, all now part of the seabed. Rising water levels compelled Pyke to move inland; now he has only 2 acres to farm, barely enough to survive. Pyke lives on Sagar Island, off the east coast of India. It is part of the Sundarbans, a giant low-lying archipelago that straddles India and Bangladesh, fanning out into the Bay of Bengal. More than 4 million people live on the Indian side. The delta is wrapped in the world's largest block of mangrove forest and is the habitat of the endangered royal Bengal tiger, which also is threatened by the rising waters. Standing next to Pyke is a neighbor from his village, a small, brightly clad, middle-aged woman called Durga Pal. She says the water has also swallowed up most of her family's land. Like Pyke, she is struggling to get by on a small patch of land, near the beach. Our grandparents and our parents all used to stay here, she said. We had a lot of wealth and a lot of land before this. But now we are left with very little land and very little money to survive on. She is surrounded by the rubble of a giant brick wall. Large broken lumps of brickwork are scattered along the beach in a straight line, as far as the eye can see. This is the remains of a barrier built by the authorities. Villagers say a cyclone ripped down the wall five years ago. Pal and Pyke believe that if the wall is not replaced, they will both soon lose all of their remaining land. Pyke does not sound optimistic. Saltwater has flooded his home several times recently. This year, all my land will be gone because the barrier is gone, Pyke said. He will likely be forced to turn to low-paid laboring. [In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island.] Enlarge Bikas Das/AP In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island, site of annual religious festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of visitors. The 20-mile-long island is shrinking at an accelerating pace. [In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island.] Bikas Das/AP In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island, site of annual religious festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of visitors. The 20-mile-long island is shrinking at an accelerating pace. The perimeter of the giant scattering of islands, mudflats and swampy jungle that make up the Sunderbans have been shifting around for centuries, partly because of silt and subsidence. But scientists and locals say the rise in water levels began accelerating a few years ago. Since 2000, the trend is actually steeper, upwards, steeper, said Pranabes Sanyal of India's Coastal Zone Management Authority. Day by day, the deterioration is going on. Day by day, more salinization is going on. Sagar Island is less than 20 miles long. Sanyal estimates that in the past 40 years, its size has shrunk by nearly 10 square miles. Thousands of people have been displaced. Oceanography professor Sugata Hazra agrees: For the last 20 to 30 years, we are getting more cyclones and we are losing land to the sea. This is the reality. Hazra is worried by a recent surge in skepticism about climate change, fueled by widely publicized mistakes made by the U.N.'s climate change panel, including the prediction that the Himalayan glaciers could be gone in 25 years. Hazra concedes that climate change scientists make mistakes and should
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising seas threaten sacred Indian island
The oceanographer quotes in the piece says: ...we are losing land to the sea. Well, which is it? A rising sea of land giving way and crumbling into the sea? Again, if it is a rising sea, would it not have to rise along with sea level and all the oceans of the world would be rising simultaneously? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: India's Sacred Sagar Island is Shrinking Away by Philip Reeves http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=2101062 - February 15, 2010 [Pilgrims take a holy dip at a lagoon on Sagar Island] Pilgrims take a holy dip at a lagoon on the occasion of Makar Sankranti at Gangasagar on Sagar Island, the confluence of the Ganges River and Bay of Bengal, on Jan. 14. A scientist says the sacred island has shrunk by nearly 10 square miles in the past 40 years, displacing thousands of people. Varun Pyke has come to the edge of the Indian island where he has spent all 50 years of his life, to recount the story of the riches that he has now lost. He gloomily jabs a finger out toward the water, pointing well beyond the gray waves lapping on the shores of the long, wide beach on which he is standing. A mile or two out, there lies what used to be his farm, explains Pyke, a wiry man in a vest and wraparound lunghi. He says he had 5 acres, all now part of the seabed. Rising water levels compelled Pyke to move inland; now he has only 2 acres to farm, barely enough to survive. Pyke lives on Sagar Island, off the east coast of India. It is part of the Sundarbans, a giant low-lying archipelago that straddles India and Bangladesh, fanning out into the Bay of Bengal. More than 4 million people live on the Indian side. The delta is wrapped in the world's largest block of mangrove forest and is the habitat of the endangered royal Bengal tiger, which also is threatened by the rising waters. Standing next to Pyke is a neighbor from his village, a small, brightly clad, middle-aged woman called Durga Pal. She says the water has also swallowed up most of her family's land. Like Pyke, she is struggling to get by on a small patch of land, near the beach. Our grandparents and our parents all used to stay here, she said. We had a lot of wealth and a lot of land before this. But now we are left with very little land and very little money to survive on. She is surrounded by the rubble of a giant brick wall. Large broken lumps of brickwork are scattered along the beach in a straight line, as far as the eye can see. This is the remains of a barrier built by the authorities. Villagers say a cyclone ripped down the wall five years ago. Pal and Pyke believe that if the wall is not replaced, they will both soon lose all of their remaining land. Pyke does not sound optimistic. Saltwater has flooded his home several times recently. This year, all my land will be gone because the barrier is gone, Pyke said. He will likely be forced to turn to low-paid laboring. [In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island.] Enlarge Bikas Das/AP In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island, site of annual religious festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of visitors. The 20-mile-long island is shrinking at an accelerating pace. [In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island.] Bikas Das/AP In this file photo from Jan. 14, 2008, Hindu devotees wade on Sagar Island, site of annual religious festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of visitors. The 20-mile-long island is shrinking at an accelerating pace. The perimeter of the giant scattering of islands, mudflats and swampy jungle that make up the Sunderbans have been shifting around for centuries, partly because of silt and subsidence. But scientists and locals say the rise in water levels began accelerating a few years ago. Since 2000, the trend is actually steeper, upwards, steeper, said Pranabes Sanyal of India's Coastal Zone Management Authority. Day by day, the deterioration is going on. Day by day, more salinization is going on. Sagar Island is less than 20 miles long. Sanyal estimates that in the past 40 years, its size has shrunk by nearly 10 square miles. Thousands of people have been displaced. Oceanography professor Sugata Hazra agrees: For the last 20 to 30 years, we are getting more cyclones and we are losing land to the sea. This is the reality. Hazra is worried by a recent surge in skepticism about climate change, fueled by widely publicized mistakes made by the U.N.'s climate change panel, including the prediction that the Himalayan glaciers could be gone in 25 years. Hazra concedes that climate change scientists make mistakes and should correct them. But he adds: If they lose the battle to this lobby who are trying to discredit the science of climate change, who are trying to defame the scientists, the
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rising seas threaten sacred Indian island
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:42 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rising seas threaten sacred Indian island Someone will have to explain sea level to me. I certainly understand when lakes or rivers within enclosed land can rise or fall. But bodies of water, such as the topic here, connected to the oceans of the world are all at sea level, no? Certainly, tides may rise up or down and cover or uncover land...but how can any of this be permanent by rising sea levels when, as I understand it, the entire connected oceans of the world would have to rise simultaneously? That's exactly what's happening, because melting ice in Greenland and Antarctica is adding to the amount of sea water, cause seas to rise. If they rise as it is predicted they might, coastal cities like New York will be inundated. Now it's just impacting low-lying islands.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rising seas threaten sacred Indian island
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rising seas threaten sacred Indian island The oceanographer quotes in the piece says: ...we are losing land to the sea. Well, which is it? A rising sea of land giving way and crumbling into the sea? Again, if it is a rising sea, would it not have to rise along with sea level and all the oceans of the world would be rising simultaneously? That's what's happening Shempy-baby. The fact that you don't understand this basic point despite all your global warming denial shows how woefully uninformed or misinformed you are on the subject. Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise The sea is also rising due to thermal expansion, i.e., when water gets warmer, it expands.
