Arthur
I am sad to say that Arthur the kitty at Sids house the santuary I volunteer at had to be sent over the bridge yesterday due to liver failure.I only met him the night before he passed but I am so glad that I got to meet him,he was a sweetie and I got to give him some loving. Sherry Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Re: Arthur
GLOW to guide arthur's way home... i'm glad you got to know him, if only for a short while, and to share love with him. he will be with you forever. MC On 12/1/05, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sad to say that Arthur the kitty at Sids house the santuary I volunteer at had to be sent over the bridge yesterday due to liver failure.I only met him the night before he passed but I am so glad that I got to meet him,he was a sweetie and I got to give him some loving. Sherry Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Off topic, but I have a food question
Title: Message I'll be interested to hear helpful responses to your Q, Sandyunlike mine, for I'm just replying in sympathy! I have similar problemswith *wet* food---neither my positives or negatives are particulary thrilled by any of the flavors of the (high-quality) Wellness wet food I offer them. Like kids, given the chance (which they're not) they'd much prefer to eat junk wet food (and--I suppose Ishould be grateful--the Wellness dry that they're addicted to).When, on vet'sadvice, I cut right down on the Wellness dry in a bid to get them to eat more Wellness wet (goal being to reduce the carb intake risk of obesity/diabetes that's on the increase--my neg Tiger is overweight) the two negs who did NOT need to lose weight each lost 2lb. Not what I had in mind. I don't worry too much about my positives' addiction to the dry---I'm just glad they love it and eat scads of it -- they blow hot and cold on the wet. Cats it seems would rather starve than eat something they don't like. Q to groupare there any arguments against EVO---I have this nagging feeling Iread something on the list that put me off. I'm thinking of trying to switch mine to it to get a better balance of carb/protein. (Yeah, I know--good luck, right?!) Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DudesSent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:26 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Off topic, but I have a food question I know this is off topic too, but i have a food question which I need help with. Ok, so I took y'all's advice and got some better food for the cats, mainly so Cotton gets the best chance at being well. I had no idea there was super premium food for cats that was human grade, but I foundInnova is soldat a grain and feed store locally. I thought, "How lucky." I got Innova EVO, which it says it's for cats and kittens, so I thought everyone would like it, since the adult cats are always trying to eat Cotton's kitten chow. Well, I guess my 4 cats can't read, because to my great dismay they don't like it! I mixed it with what they usually eat, which has been Pro Plan at the moment, and they are actually picking around the Innova. I caught Cotton with the pantry door open, trying to eat his way through the bag of Pro Plan, because he doesn't like the Innova. I alsopicked upa little sample bag of Innova fordogs. And guess what? They don't like it either! Anyone else have this experience? I am used to kind of switching around dry cat food, so it's not as if they have been eating one beloved brand of food.My reasoning for not sticking withone brand is because if it is lacking in something, anotherbrand rotatedin the mixmight make up for it, and they also get some variety. Sometimes it's Eukanuba, sometimes, Nutros, sometimes Pro Plan, etc. I mainlygotInnova super premium because ofwhat I read on thewebsite. There was a testimonial about a cat mom whose cat was gettingfatter (just like my Miss), so she researched and switched to Innova, and her cat lost weight. But so far, none of my critters like the food change,and I'm trying to go slow, and just mix in a tiny bit with their usualkibble. Anyonehave this problem with Innova specifically? Why wouldn't they like it? Is it just that much different?To me it smells better than the stuff they are eating now. I'm trying to be a good cat mom, and no one with a tail seems very appreciative of my efforts! It's much more expensive,but it would be worth it if someone at it and benefitted from it.What to do? What to do? Sandy =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Arthur
Title: Message I'm glad too that Arthur didn'tleave this worldwithout knowing he was loved. So good that you were able to spend time with the precious little soul, Sherry. Thanks for caring---there ain't enough of it in this world, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaanSent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:50 AMTo: FelvtalkSubject: Arthur I am sad to say that Arthur the kitty at Sids house the santuary I volunteer at had to be sent over the bridge yesterday due to liver failure.I only met him the night before he passed but I am so glad that I got to meet him,he was a sweetie and I got to give him some loving. Sherry Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT list created. Join HERE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/
Title: Message Wow---that's fabulous Jenn-- thanks so much for doing this!!! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT list created. Join HERE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/ Here is the link to go to to join the OFF TOPIC list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/ If you are already a member at any Yahoo service, you can sign up with your existing yahoo ID, just let me know who you are, so I can connect your yahooID with you name on this list, because I made it a closed list, so ONLY members HERE can sign up THERE, and I have to approve everyone manually. Otherwise, just use your email address that you use here, and I will approve you instantly. Jenn =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: test
Thanks, Wendy!! Helene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: test i see you helen --- Helene Hand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seeing if I am still on the list before I re-subscribe. Helene __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
meds
Hi Everyonejust an update and a question. First question...how much does that Roomba cost? That sounds AWESOME! With a kitty, two rabbits, one who LOVES to kick her litter all over the place and 2 dogs that shed enough to make another dog, that would be AWESOME! Secondly, not a question but...YAY! I successfully gave Brooklyn his medication 3x already. Yesterday he got me, bit me but accidentally i think, then this morning he seemed to not fight as much, but he was also wrapped in my blankets. He was quick to forgive me this time and I feel as though he's getting used to it because he usually would sulk afterwards and today he just ran into the kitchen and asked for breakfast. So his appetite is back and even after he's been traumatized! The issue though, is that he tries to spit it out. He gurgles it up and drools out the meds. I feel so bad, it must taste SO awful. The dr gave me Flagyl/Albon mix in one and decided against the famitadine i have no idea how to spell that but I know you guys get it. Anyway, so Brooklyn is not so much opposed to me opening his mouth, he's good at that now, but as soon as he feels the syringe go into his mouth and he gets a taste of the meds, that's when he struggles. It really must taste disgusting. So, this morning I opened his mouth and tried not to touch the syringe to his mouth before squeezing it and carefully squeezed it into the back of his throat. He didn't spit up quite so much this time. He still has diarrhea but isn't throwing up anymore which, looking at him, seemed to take a LOT out of him. He seemed a little dehydrated yesterday but had plenty of water last night. Actually, he was drinking a lot. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? He was at the water bowl for a good few minutes or so. This morning he was out on the couch lounging in the sunlight coming in through the window. Never did that before. Guess he is feeling more comfortable. I'm glad to see that. So, we're doing better. :) Thanks for listening everyone and thanks so much for all your support! hugs, Rebecca
Re: meds
hee hee--isn't it AMAZING how quickly we get trained? i think about all the medicating and procedures i can do now that i would NEVER have thought i could ever do trust me--everything you're learning with brooklyn will help other cats down the road: your own, those of your friends (who'll say, i could NEVER give pills/syringe-feed/do sub-qs) etc! what we do for love of one of our furkids just makes us that much better a catmom/dad! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: meds
All and all, it sounds very encouraging! I'm so glad that Brooklyn is feeling better! Good for you with getting your nerve up to administer those meds. I know you just bought the script for the liquid stuff, but like I said before, I hate forcing anything vile down their throats if I can help it. Why don't you try the pilling again? If you and Brooklyn are getting better at this, you may be able to successfully pill him and he won't have that nasty taste in his mouth. Jenn and a couple of the others mentioned how the piller they've used didn't work right for them. I have a half dozen of the things and there's only one that works great every time. Ask your vet to sell you one of the ones that they use that works well, (otherwise you're coming back in to bother them again!). Nina veggiepugs wrote: Hi Everyonejust an update and a question. First question...how much does that Roomba cost? That sounds AWESOME! With a kitty, two rabbits, one who LOVES to kick her litter all over the place and 2 dogs that shed enough to make another dog, that would be AWESOME! Secondly, not a question but...YAY! I successfully gave Brooklyn his medication 3x already. Yesterday he got me, bit me but accidentally i think, then this morning he seemed to not fight as much, but he was also wrapped in my blankets. He was quick to forgive me this time and I feel as though he's getting used to it because he usually would sulk afterwards and today he just ran into the kitchen and asked for breakfast. So his appetite is back and even after he's been traumatized! The issue though, is that he tries to spit it out. He gurgles it up and drools out the meds. I feel so bad, it must taste SO awful. The dr gave me Flagyl/Albon mix in one and decided against the famitadine i have no idea how to spell that but I know you guys get it. Anyway, so Brooklyn is not so much opposed to me opening his mouth, he's good at that now, but as soon as he feels the syringe go into his mouth and he gets a taste of the meds, that's when he struggles. It really must taste disgusting. So, this morning I opened his mouth and tried not to touch the syringe to his mouth before squeezing it and carefully squeezed it into the back of his throat. He didn't spit up quite so much this time. He still has diarrhea but isn't throwing up anymore which, looking at him, seemed to take a LOT out of him. He seemed a little dehydrated yesterday but had plenty of water last night. Actually, he was drinking a lot. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? He was at the water bowl for a good few minutes or so. This morning he was out on the couch lounging in the sunlight coming in through the window. Never did that before. Guess he is feeling more comfortable. I'm glad to see that. So, we're doing better. :) Thanks for listening everyone and thanks so much for all your support! hugs, Rebecca
Test protocol question
Advice appreciated for when or if we need to test our two cats again : Our third cat died of FeLV cancer on Nov.2nd. The three cats all had fairly close associated during the last month as in, being in same room and some physical contact. The other two cats had blood drawn on Nov.5 and both Elisa and IFA were negative. Should we test them again and if so when ? One vet said to be absolutely sure test again but he was convinced himself they are okay. Another vet was all for vaccines no matter what. These two are 2 1/2. they had one single vacc. at age 12 weeks and as of age 14 1/2 weeks were in VERY close contact - grooming, sleeping, eating - up to late Sept. early Oct. Thanks so much Lynne __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
RE: Off topic, but I have a food question
Title: Message Hmm, that doesn't ring a bell, it was some more general argument I heard. Anyway, that gives me 2 reasons to wait and see now. Can't tell you how much expensive wet food I've thrown away. And I've never seen stray cats--only rats--in my neighborhood, so no one to give it to who migjt appreciate it. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:20 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Off topic, but I have a food questionI've been trying to switch my brood over to better quality canned for a while too. They just don't like it. My Ursula refuses anything but dry, the only "wet" food she'll eat is people tuna, sometimes I can get her to eat turkey, or chicken, but that's it. Everyone says to mix in minute amounts of the "good stuff" a little at a time, but the noses rise in the air whenever I do that. Sigh. I do get tired of buying cans of food at a $1 or more a can to feed to my dogs!As far as arguments against EVO. I read that the rosemary in it, (I'm pretty sure that's what it was), is not suppose to be good for cats. What's a cat mom to do?NMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I'll be interested to hear helpful responses to your Q, Sandyunlike mine, for I'm just replying in sympathy! I have similar problemswith *wet* food---neither my positives or negatives are particulary thrilled by any of the flavors of the (high-quality) Wellness wet food I offer them. Like kids, given the chance (which they're not) they'd much prefer to eat junk wet food (and--I suppose Ishould be grateful--the Wellness dry that they're addicted to).When, on vet'sadvice, I cut right down on the Wellness dry in a bid to get them to eat more Wellness wet (goal being to reduce the carb intake risk of obesity/diabetes that's on the increase--my neg Tiger is overweight) the two negs who did NOT need to lose weight each lost 2lb. Not what I had in mind. I don't worry too much about my positives' addiction to the dry---I'm just glad they love it and eat scads of it -- they blow hot and cold on the wet. Cats it seems would rather starve than eat something they don't like. Q to groupare there any arguments against EVO---I have this nagging feeling Iread something on the list that put me off. I'm thinking of trying to switch mine to it to get a better balance of carb/protein. (Yeah, I know--good luck, right?!) Kerry =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: meds
Someone in here said that they make their own pills using empty gel caps, which I think is a fantastic idea. This might be a dumb question, but depending on how fast you can make the gel cap, can you use the liquid in those? Or would there be too much liquid to fit? Or, would the liquid make the gel cap soften and break to quickly before you can pill a kitty? --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All and all, it sounds very encouraging! I'm so glad that Brooklyn is feeling better! Good for you with getting your nerve up to administer those meds. I know you just bought the script for the liquid stuff, but like I said before, I hate forcing anything vile down their throats if I can help it. Why don't you try the pilling again? If you and Brooklyn are getting better at this, you may be able to successfully pill him and he won't have that nasty taste in his mouth. Jenn and a couple of the others mentioned how the piller they've used didn't work right for them. I have a half dozen of the things and there's only one that works great every time. Ask your vet to sell you one of the ones that they use that works well, (otherwise you're coming back in to bother them again!). Nina veggiepugs wrote: Hi Everyonejust an update and a question. First question...how much does that Roomba cost? That sounds AWESOME! With a kitty, two rabbits, one who LOVES to kick her litter all over the place and 2 dogs that shed enough to make another dog, that would be AWESOME! Secondly, not a question but...YAY! I successfully gave Brooklyn his medication 3x already. Yesterday he got me, bit me but accidentally i think, then this morning he seemed to not fight as much, but he was also wrapped in my blankets. He was quick to forgive me this time and I feel as though he's getting used to it because he usually would sulk afterwards and today he just ran into the kitchen and asked for breakfast. So his appetite is back and even after he's been traumatized! The issue though, is that he tries to spit it out. He gurgles it up and drools out the meds. I feel so bad, it must taste SO awful. The dr gave me Flagyl/Albon mix in one and decided against the famitadine i have no idea how to spell that but I know you guys get it. Anyway, so Brooklyn is not so much opposed to me opening his mouth, he's good at that now, but as soon as he feels the syringe go into his mouth and he gets a taste of the meds, that's when he struggles. It really must taste disgusting. So, this morning I opened his mouth and tried not to touch the syringe to his mouth before squeezing it and carefully squeezed it into the back of his throat. He didn't spit up quite so much this time. He still has diarrhea but isn't throwing up anymore which, looking at him, seemed to take a LOT out of him. He seemed a little dehydrated yesterday but had plenty of water last night. Actually, he was drinking a lot. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? He was at the water bowl for a good few minutes or so. This morning he was out on the couch lounging in the sunlight coming in through the window. Never did that before. Guess he is feeling more comfortable. I'm glad to see that. So, we're doing better. :) Thanks for listening everyone and thanks so much for all your support! hugs, Rebecca __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: meds
Or would there be too much liquid to fit? Or, would the liquid make the gel cap soften and break to quickly before you can pill a kitty? Yes. They wouldn't actually break, but when you get the gel caps wet, they melt. You can buy empty gel caps at the health food store, (for the dry meds), but I've never been able to find them small enough. I use the empty gel caps from the CoQ10. I used to put the quartered Doxycycline, (abx), in it because of the potential esophageal damage and because it tastes lousy. Nina wendy wrote: Someone in here said that they make their own pills using empty gel caps, which I think is a fantastic idea. This might be a dumb question, but depending on how fast you can make the gel cap, can you use the liquid in those? Or would there be too much liquid to fit? Or, would the liquid make the gel cap soften and break to quickly before you can pill a kitty?
Re: Test protocol question
Lynne, At 2.5 yrs and after living with the positives for such a long time, my bet is that another test will turn up negative as well. I'm not sure what the exact gestation period is for felv, I'm not sure anyone knows, please members, if you know... Anyway, it wouldn't hurt to have them retested for peace of mind. I'd wait at least three months, unless you intend to add to the household and want to make sure these guys did not become infected. I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Many of us have gone through the heartache of losing one after another to this terrible disease. My sympathies to you and yours, Nina Lynne Moquin wrote: Advice appreciated for when or if we need to test our two cats again : Our third cat died of FeLV cancer on Nov.2nd. The three cats all had fairly close associated during the last month as in, being in same room and some physical contact. The other two cats had blood drawn on Nov.5 and both Elisa and IFA were negative. Should we test them again and if so when ? One vet said to be absolutely sure test again but he was convinced himself they are okay. Another vet was all for vaccines no matter what. These two are 2 1/2. they had one single vacc. at age 12 weeks and as of age 14 1/2 weeks were in VERY close contact - grooming, sleeping, eating - up to late Sept. early Oct. Thanks so much Lynne __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure
I'm with you Tonya. I feel that everything happens for a reason. You see the first domino fall, and feel the pain from that, but you don't see the whole domino effect. Since Cricket has been gone, my relationships with the two that I had before he came along have gotten closer. I was probably guilty of paying too much attention to him. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
Re: Test protocol question
When I read your post again, I misunderstood you. I thought you had three pos that died. Let me see if I have this straight, you had 3 cats, one of which was positive. They all lived together for how long? One month? What was that about being in very close contact since they were 14.5 weeks? I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. Nina Nina wrote: Lynne, At 2.5 yrs and after living with the positives for such a long time, my bet is that another test will turn up negative as well. I'm not sure what the exact gestation period is for felv, I'm not sure anyone knows, please members, if you know... Anyway, it wouldn't hurt to have them retested for peace of mind. I'd wait at least three months, unless you intend to add to the household and want to make sure these guys did not become infected. I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Many of us have gone through the heartache of losing one after another to this terrible disease. My sympathies to you and yours, Nina Lynne Moquin wrote: Advice appreciated for when or if we need to test our two cats again : Our third cat died of FeLV cancer on Nov.2nd. The three cats all had fairly close associated during the last month as in, being in same room and some physical contact. The other two cats had blood drawn on Nov.5 and both Elisa and IFA were negative. Should we test them again and if so when ? One vet said to be absolutely sure test again but he was convinced himself they are okay. Another vet was all for vaccines no matter what. These two are 2 1/2. they had one single vacc. at age 12 weeks and as of age 14 1/2 weeks were in VERY close contact - grooming, sleeping, eating - up to late Sept. early Oct. Thanks so much Lynne __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
RE: Arthur
Sherry, I am so sorry to hear about Arthur... I just lost my baby Garfunkle to liver disease as well... please know that Arthur is now free of pain and he is probably feeling great now. I am so glad that you had an opportunity meet with him. Love and hugs to Arthur and to you, Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Arthur You know Sherry, what MC says is so true. They do stay with us forever. When someone like Arthur touches our hearts it doesn't matter that it was only for an instant in time. I remember when my Ursala went missing. One of the many things I did to search for her was, of course, to visit the nearest shelter. I made sure to check their feral holding pens as well and there I met the most regal feral. The holding area was dark and scary all the other cats were either cowering in corners or acting menacing, but this guy sat alone on a top shelf. He was so handsome, so noble looking, and he stared right at me. I broke down in tears as I tried to comfort him with soft words and offers of apology. He was marked with the clipped ear that told me someone had cared enough to trap and neuter him, but here he sat on death row. I was too green at the time to even try to argue for his release, (his presence in my life has changed that). I'll never forget that wonderful cat, he too will be with me forever. Life can be so hard sometimes. Nina TenHouseCats wrote: GLOW to guide arthur's way home... i'm glad you got to know him, if only for a short while, and to share love with him. he will be with you forever. MC On 12/1/05, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sad to say that Arthur the kitty at Sids house the santuary I volunteer at had to be sent over the bridge yesterday due to liver failure.I only met him the night before he passed but I am so glad that I got to meet him,he was a sweetie and I got to give him some loving. Sherry Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Test protocol question
Lynne, first, I'm so sorry for the loss of your kitty. That's so hard. If it were me I would test the others once again, to be on the safe side. It can't harm. And the advice usually is, test twice, just in case it was too early for the latent virus to be picked up by the first test (that happened with one of mine--she tested neg, then positive 3 months later tho nothing in her environment/situation had changed) Re retesting timelag--my vet told me to retest in 1 month; someone else with authority (it may have been Anitra Frazier in her book The Natural Cat) said 3 months. (I re-tested after 3 months.) If the cats are indoors and have NO chance of coming into contact with another unknown cat I would not vaccinate against FeLVthe vaccine carries its own risk. Definitely do not vaccinate a positive--it's not just pointless; it could also affect them adversely given their already weak immune system. Incidentally, if one tests pos and one neg I would not separate them: the exposure has already taken place, the neg has proven not to have been infected, and separation would just upset them. Knowing the status means you would be able to take steps to support the positive's immune system (as Jenn rightly pointed out a couple of weeke ago. best wishes for the continuing health of your 2 kitties. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Moquin Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:29 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Test protocol question Advice appreciated for when or if we need to test our two cats again : Our third cat died of FeLV cancer on Nov.2nd. The three cats all had fairly close associated during the last month as in, being in same room and some physical contact. The other two cats had blood drawn on Nov.5 and both Elisa and IFA were negative. Should we test them again and if so when ? One vet said to be absolutely sure test again but he was convinced himself they are okay. Another vet was all for vaccines no matter what. These two are 2 1/2. they had one single vacc. at age 12 weeks and as of age 14 1/2 weeks were in VERY close contact - grooming, sleeping, eating - up to late Sept. early Oct. Thanks so much Lynne __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: reunion with Garfunkle
wonderful, hideyo--i think that we all HOPE this is what our critters could/would tell us. (i also think that this is exactly the reassurance we would get if we were able to hear from them directly--i know i'll try to remember, next time that one moves on, that they really ARE fine, that they know that we did the best we could, and that our love follows them onto the next stage of the journey--and that only their bodies leave us, not their hearts.) MC On 12/1/05, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone. I talked to my baby, Garfunkle via Jasmine who is my AC last night. After Jasmine connected with Garfunkle, and before I started asking questions, she just started expressing how surprised she was as to how much Garfunkle loves and misses me – she said, oh my gosh, Hideyo, I can't believe how full of love Garfunkle is for you, and how much he misses you. He is sending you so much love to you right now. And that made me cry. He is feeling so wonderfully physically – he just misses me very much (in a physical sense) – I apologized to Garfunkle that I should have noticed his illness sooner so I could have saved his life.. and he told me –not to regret anything I did for a second… he is where he needs to be right now and before he came into this life, he knew what he was getting into.. he said that being with me was the best part of his life.. (I rescued him as a stray boy when he was already an adult) –he got at times stressed out by all other kitties around.. but he said that it was not too bad.. She told me that he is right there with you, can you feel him? He told me that he is not going to anywhere – he is going to be right here with me – so not to worry.. he also has a couple of kitties he was closed to.. and he will also connect with him on a spiritual level, he told me not to worry.. Jasmine thought he is such a special cat! And she couldn't believe the strength of the bond we have for each other… I am feeling much better knowing that Garfunkle is feeling happy and is right besides me.. he said that he hears my voice all the time (I call him name still all the time, talking to him) – there was a big hole in my heart,, now my baby Garfunkle filled it with his love and I feel a whole again… -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: reunion with Garfunkle
Hideyo, Thank you so much for sharing your communication with Garfunkle with us. It makes me feel better and I am going to go home tonight and talk to Cricket out loud while my husband and nephew wonder if I am crazy. But I don't care. I just want to connect with Cricket again. I am starting to think I am seeing things, mainly when I am in my bed at night. My husband is sick right now; he has a little cold and last night I woke up because he was restless and making noises in his sleep. When I looked his way, I swear I saw these clear bubbles floating up from his body. It was the strangest thing and I know I was awake and I'm not taking any drugs so I know it wasn't a hallucination. I have no idea what it was but I like to think maybe it was Cricket's spirit. It's been a little weird in our house since Cricket died on a weird, kind of unexplainable level. I so glad you got to communicate with Garfunkle, and that he is happy and sends so much love to you. You must be relieved! :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure
not guilty, wendy--you were doing what needed to be done at the moment if we truly believe that things happen just as they are supposed to, then how could whatever we do be wrong? hindsight is, really, useless--because no matter how much we may want to, we CANNOT go back hindsight can be a great teacher, tho, for the next time--just goes back to that cycle of everything is just as it's supposed to be personally, i INTELLECTUALLY know that everything fits into the tapestry, and that each thread belongs just where it is; emotionally, i forget a lot--healing, for me, comes when i remember the whole... MC On 12/1/05, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with you Tonya. I feel that everything happens for a reason. You see the first domino fall, and feel the pain from that, but you don't see the whole domino effect. Since Cricket has been gone, my relationships with the two that I had before he came along have gotten closer. I was probably guilty of paying too much attention to him. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure
Very nicely put MC. It's so very difficult to remember the big picture is not all within our focus, esp when we're hurting. Ah for the days when ignorance was Queen and I felt justified in my tantrums against the seeming injustice of it all! I still have tantrums, but now I get mad that we earthlings, (as a whole, present company excluded, of course), are so darn thick that we need lessons to knock us to the ground before we start to get it, whatever the hell it happens to be at the time. PS Jenn's idea for an OT group seems to be wasted on us! :) N TenHouseCats wrote: not guilty, wendy--you were doing what needed to be done at the moment if we truly believe that things happen just as they are supposed to, then how could whatever we do be wrong? hindsight is, really, useless--because no matter how much we may want to, we CANNOT go back hindsight can be a great teacher, tho, for the next time--just goes back to that cycle of everything is just as it's supposed to be personally, i INTELLECTUALLY know that everything fits into the tapestry, and that each thread belongs just where it is; emotionally, i forget a lot--healing, for me, comes when i remember the whole... MC
RE: My dear Garfunkle's new departure for Nina MC
Jenn's idea for an OT group seems to be wasted on us! :) Hey, but you 2 guys are already in Jenn's group:) I'm so excited about the o/t group. I've used it a couple of times already. Kerry hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: reunion with Garfunkle
Title: Message Hideyo, I'm so glad and happy for you that you're feeling at peace in regard to sweet Garfunkle. much love and big hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: reunion with Garfunkle Hi, everyone. I talked to my baby, Garfunkle via Jasmine who is my AC last night. After Jasmine connected with Garfunkle, and before I started asking questions, she just started expressing how surprised she was as to how much Garfunkle loves and misses me she said, oh my gosh, Hideyo, I cant believe how full of love Garfunkle is for you, and how much he misses you. He is sending you so much love to you right now. And that made me cry. He is feeling so wonderfully physically he just misses me very much (in a physical sense) I apologized to Garfunkle that I should have noticed his illness sooner so I could have saved his life.. and he told me not to regret anything I did for a second he is where he needs to be right now and before he came into this life, he knew what he was getting into.. he said that being with me was the best part of his life.. (I rescued him as a stray boy when he was already an adult) he got at times stressed out by all other kitties around.. but he said that it was not too bad.. She told me that he is right there with you, can you feel him? He told me that he is not going to anywhere he is going to be right here with me so not to worry.. he also has a couple of kitties he was closed to.. and he will also connect with him on a spiritual level, he told me not to worry.. Jasmine thought he is such a special cat! And she couldnt believe the strength of the bond we have for each other I am feeling much better knowing that Garfunkle is feeling happy and is right besides me.. he said that he hears my voice all the time (I call him name still all the time, talking to him) there was a big hole in my heart,, now my baby Garfunkle filled it with his love and I feel a whole again =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: reunion with Garfunkle
Dear Wendy, I can so guarantee that Cricket's strong soul is right besides you, too! Jasmine also shared her experience regarding her recent lost kitty who died of cancer.. she saw her in her room and all of sudden, she said, that her emptiness of feeling from losing her went away, and she was filled with love from her kitty.. yep.. keep talking to Cricket, he can certainly hear you and sees you.. Much love to you and Cricket. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: reunion with Garfunkle Hideyo, Thank you so much for sharing your communication with Garfunkle with us. It makes me feel better and I am going to go home tonight and talk to Cricket out loud while my husband and nephew wonder if I am crazy. But I don't care. I just want to connect with Cricket again. I am starting to think I am seeing things, mainly when I am in my bed at night. My husband is sick right now; he has a little cold and last night I woke up because he was restless and making noises in his sleep. When I looked his way, I swear I saw these clear bubbles floating up from his body. It was the strangest thing and I know I was awake and I'm not taking any drugs so I know it wasn't a hallucination. I have no idea what it was but I like to think maybe it was Cricket's spirit. It's been a little weird in our house since Cricket died on a weird, kind of unexplainable level. I so glad you got to communicate with Garfunkle, and that he is happy and sends so much love to you. You must be relieved! :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: My dear Garfunkle's new departure
Ditto to what Nina said. Nicely put Mary Christine! __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: Off topic, but I have a food question
Yes! My gang doesn't like the Inova foods. They like Eagle Pack and Nutro only. So they get Nutro Natural Choice Indoor formula dry and Nutro canned. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Dudes To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: Off topic, but I have a food question I know this is off topic too, but i have a food question which I need help with. Ok, so I took y'all's advice and got some better food for the cats, mainly so Cotton gets the best chance at being well. I had no idea there was super premium food for cats that was human grade, but I foundInnova is soldat a grain and feed store locally. I thought, "How lucky." I got Innova EVO, which it says it's for cats and kittens, so I thought everyone would like it, since the adult cats are always trying to eat Cotton's kitten chow. Well, I guess my 4 cats can't read, because to my great dismay they don't like it! I mixed it with what they usually eat, which has been Pro Plan at the moment, and they are actually picking around the Innova. I caught Cotton with the pantry door open, trying to eat his way through the bag of Pro Plan, because he doesn't like the Innova. I alsopicked upa little sample bag of Innova fordogs. And guess what? They don't like it either! Anyone else have this experience? I am used to kind of switching around dry cat food, so it's not as if they have been eating one beloved brand of food.My reasoning for not sticking withone brand is because if it is lacking in something, anotherbrand rotatedin the mixmight make up for it, and they also get some variety. Sometimes it's Eukanuba, sometimes, Nutros, sometimes Pro Plan, etc. I mainlygotInnova super premium because ofwhat I read on thewebsite. There was a testimonial about a cat mom whose cat was gettingfatter (just like my Miss), so she researched and switched to Innova, and her cat lost weight. But so far, none of my critters like the food change,and I'm trying to go slow, and just mix in a tiny bit with their usualkibble. Anyonehave this problem with Innova specifically? Why wouldn't they like it? Is it just that much different?To me it smells better than the stuff they are eating now. I'm trying to be a good cat mom, and no one with a tail seems very appreciative of my efforts! It's much more expensive,but it would be worth it if someone at it and benefitted from it.What to do? What to do? Sandy
Re: OT list created. Join HERE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/
Jenn, My Yahoo ID is [EMAIL PROTECTED] =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:23 AM Subject: OT list created. Join HERE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/ Here is the link to go to to join the OFF TOPIC list. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/ If you are already a member at any Yahoo service, you can sign up with your existing yahoo ID, just let me know who you are, so I can connect your yahooID with you name on this list, because I made it a closed list, so ONLY members HERE can sign up THERE, and I have to approve everyone manually. Otherwise, just use your email address that you use here, and I will approve you instantly. JennNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 11/30/2005
Re: Arthur
How horribly sad! Goodnight, sweet Arthur... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: Arthur I am sad to say that Arthur the kitty at Sids house the santuary I volunteer at had to be sent over the bridge yesterday due to liver failure.I only met him the night before he passed but I am so glad that I got to meet him,he was a sweetie and I got to give him some loving. Sherry Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Re: OT list created. Join HERE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/felvot/
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Gel caps
We found gel caps invaluable for chinese herbs, which are usually really bitter. At first i got the number 4 ones, hardly anything fits, it took 4 to fill 1/4 t. I never used the pill filler kit, rather put loose stuff in a shallow dish and pushed the dry herb into it, kept pushing and packing it in. I usually dabbed bit of olive oil on it so it wouldn't stick in throat, but folks have said just use water to get it to just barely start melitng to be more slippery. Then, later found and vet suggested the huge caps are fine, you toss it right into open throat, their gag reflex is fine with it, they won't aspiriate, it's liquid you have to squirt slowly from the side. So i've tossed in 'nutrigest' caps which are huge. I think the 4 or 2 is good to start with and work your way up to the 0's ! Yeah, lquid melts a cap. As soon as it starts to fold up it's hard to handle. I've kindof used slippery elm syrup in them tho. Not easy. I was given free sample of beef flavoured caps, they seem to be from Florida: http://www.capsuline.com but i'm not sure if it's a real advantage. I don't know the retail price. You can order any empty gel caps from any pharmacy. Lynne __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
Re: Saying Goodbye
Allie,I'm so sorry. You've done everything you could for Lola. I think it's a great idea to go ahead and take in the foster. It will probably make you feel better and keep you busy. take care, tonya.Allie Deaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I took Lola in to get re-evaluated, regarless of the fact that she has been going downhill fast. The results of the second test and bloodpanel were not nice, especially with her emerging symptoms. The fluid in her chest is continuing to accumulate, she stopped eating (Ive been syringe feeding her a high-cal prescription diet), she is very anemic and very jaundiced. Her breathing has become very labored and she isn't really moving around much. After discussions with 2 vets and quite a few other sources of research (including this list), we've decided to help her over the bridge after we've had a chance to say goodbye. She has too many things off in her bloodwork, her red blood cells appear to be committing suicide, kidney enzymes are elevated, despite my efforts (pedialyte) to keep her hydrated and her liver enzymes are high despite my efforts to keep her fed (Hill's a/d). She is so weak, and since she is a just a kitten, who was born with the disease, it looks highly unlikely that aggressive treatment would do anything except buy her a little time. I think I'm at peace with my decision. I had plans to take a foster in this weekend, which I think I'll go through with since it will give me something to do and a place to direct all of my love. Plus, what better tribute to Lola than to save the life of another cat in need? I've requested that the foster be vaccinated against FeLV this once, just to be extra careful.Thanks, everyone.Allie
Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
Wendy,I just had a thought reading your message. lol. Why don't YOU just pee all over their dining room carpet next time you're there. Then maybe you won't have to go over there again! Really! I'm sure their daughter has had accidents before. If not, she will sometime. And when they get older they may just have accidents themselves. People! Ugh!twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis past spring because it was urinating in their newhome in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not muchchance of it becoming illegal.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Sigh...
I don't know. I've rescued lots and lots of cats over the years, plus worked at the shelter, and pilled hundreds and hundreds. BUT, I have one cat, Popeye, that I've discussed on here before, that I absolutely cannot pill.He is in my face all the time. I can't sit down without him laying on me. I can't talk on the phone without including him in the conversation, etc Definitely not a scaredy cat or mean cat. But he clamps down his mouth and I can't hold it open. There are sharp teeth in there. And he scratches and KICKS at me with all 4 paws. I've tried everything. If I give ANOTHER cat some medicine in a treat or some wet food he wants it. But if I put his medicine in a treat or wet food he won't touch it.If by some miracle I do get the pill in I will hold his mouth closed for a while, but eventually I will find the pill spit back out! How do you hold a cat's mouth open when he is trying to bite you!? tDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle, That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future reference. Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Sigh...I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat. Michelle
Introduction
Hello! I am so happy to have found this mailing list. My name is Marissa and I wanted to introduce my little guy, Jake. I adopted Jake only a couple months ago from a rescue group that I had been fostering for. I was moving to a new city and decided I wanted to take a cat with me, and since FeLV cats are so hard to adopt out, and little Jake was just too cute for words, I decided he deserved to not be in a cage for the rest of his life so I adopted him. He is such a great cat. So playful, affectionate, silly, sweet. Just a good little guy. Soon after I adopted him he started coughing and sneezing and had a fever. Probably something he caught when he was surrounded by other cats in the rescue shelter. He was on Baytril and the vet kept him on it because he seemed to get better with it, and every time I would take him off of it he would start sneezing or coughing. The vet also gave me vitamin C to give to him as a supplement. Then about a week ago he started to have diarrhea. Vet put him on Metronidazale. Then a couple days ago he stopped having an appetite. The vet thinks it may be the vitamin C upsetting his stomach, so I stopped that, and have been force feeding him baby food and water. He still has no appetite (only stopped the C about 36 hours ago) and isn't quite himself, although he isn't totally lethargic either. I just hope that this isn't the beginning of the end. Jake is about 2.5 years old and I don't know much about his history other than his previous owner surrendered him at the beginning of the year. I would appreciate any advice from others experienced with FeLV cats as well as any tips on force feeding. I hate to do it but I don't see any other option. The vet says if hes not better he wants to run a bunch of tests on him, which I hope I don't have to do. Thanks for reading and for all of your help! Marissa
Re: Pictures of my Kitties
wendy wrote: Love the pic of TeeCee licking his chops. That is hilarious! He looks like such a ham! They are all three beautiful! I wish I had all those trees where I live! I love trees! Thanks Wendy! He's a sweet kitty :) Steph
Sammy and interferon
Hi!1 I seem to mostly lurk, too, now that Sam seems so well, but I have a concern to share with all of you. I do love this list, and there was a timeall of youdefinitely saved Sammy's life with your love and advice. Thank you for everything you have done for us. Okay- Sammy, my 15 year old siamese, and his mother Delilah, 16, came to live with me in 1993. In July of 1999 Sam developed FELV and almost died. He was so sick. Over the next few months he lost down to 7 pounds and I maintained him on IV boluses, a series of Acemannan shots, oral pettinic daily, Vit. B12 subcu., interferon orally,7 dayson-7 off-winstrol orally,procrit s.c. weekly,special foods, including baby meats, dry foods (4 choices!) lots and lots of love and prayers constantly.For a yearit was touch and go.Today, he weighs about 16 pounds, looks and feels great, is definitely the AlphaCat of the household, and has been in remissionand asymptomatic since 2000. Coat is shiny,he is very playful, etc. My question is this: Does anyone know of any detrimental side effects of long-term interferon therapy? There is no need to ask my vet, although wonderful, he lets me call the shots, as he really doesn't know... Sam has been on interferon since 2000. One cc orally for 7 days, then off 7 days.So that is 15 cc a month.I sure don't want to rock the boat, but I know that the interferon causes a degree of dehydration.Anything else? I would like a source of info., and would appreciate anybody's input. He still is on the pettinic daily, the winstrol weekly, and the Vit. B12 subcu. weekly. I discontinued the procritsubcu. a year ago. My wonderful boy seems to be doing fine; but I remind myself to remember that every day is so good for him, but could change in an instant. I don't take anything for granted. Thanks! Guys! Helene
Sammy and interferon
Hi!1 I seem to mostly lurk, too, now that Sam seems so well, but I have a concern to share with all of you. I do love this list, and there was a timeall of youdefinitely saved Sammy's life with your love and advice. Thank you for everything you have done for us. Okay- Sammy, my 15 year old siamese, and his mother Delilah, 16, came to live with me in 1993. In July of 1999 Sam developed FELV and almost died. He was so sick. Over the next few months he lost down to 7 pounds and I maintained him on IV boluses, a series of Acemannan shots, oral pettinic daily, Vit. B12 subcu., interferon orally,7 dayson-7 off-winstrol orally,procrit s.c. weekly,special foods, including baby meats, dry foods (4 choices!) lots and lots of love and prayers constantly.For a yearit was touch and go.Today, he weighs about 16 pounds, looks and feels great, is definitely the AlphaCat of the household, and has been in remissionand asymptomatic since 2000. Coat is shiny,he is very playful, etc. My question is this: Does anyone know of any detrimental side effects of long-term interferon therapy? There is no need to ask my vet, although wonderful, he lets me call the shots, as he really doesn't know... Sam has been on interferon since 2000. One cc orally for 7 days, then off 7 days.So that is 15 cc a month.I sure don't want to rock the boat, but I know that the interferon causes a degree of dehydration.Anything else? I would like a source of info., and would appreciate anybody's input. He still is on the pettinic daily, the winstrol weekly, and the Vit. B12 subcu. weekly. I discontinued the procritsubcu. a year ago. My wonderful boy seems to be doing fine; but I remind myself to remember that every day is so good for him, but could change in an instant. I don't take anything for granted. Thanks! Guys! Helene
Re: Saying Goodbye
Allie bless you,and my thoughts are with you in this hard time,she will always be a part of you. sherryAllie Deaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for all of your support. I wish, wish, wish that this could have been treated and that we could have spent more time together, but she was just a tiny kitten, and not very (physically) strong, though she was a fighter. She gave this her best shot, with all the tests and care we gave her, but unfortunately, too many things were going wrong and she began to suffer within a few weeks of diagnosis. She will go over the bridge tomorrow, in my arms. We could've treated individual symptoms, and we tried so hard for her,and I did so much research, but it wasn't meant to be.I'm looking forward to my foster kitty, because he or she will be a reminder to me of all of the life that is still out there, even if my little Lola can only be with me in spirit. I know that saving the life of another kitty, even only days after her departure, would be exactly what my sweet, graceful, loving girl would want for me and Leo (my remaining cat). I truly think that this will help me keep her loss of life in perspective, with being surrounded by a vibrant new presence in my life. I think it will remind me that Lola hasn't died, but just gone away for awhile. She will never, ever be replaced and I will miss her every single day of my life. My heart just aches because it will be a lifetime before I see those sweet gold eyes and that soft blue fur again. I love her with all my heart. Thanks again for all of your support. It really means a lot.Allie On 12/1/05, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry to hear about Lola, Allie. I'm glad, though, that she was lucky enough to find you. I agree, what better tributetothe sweet soulthan to save the life of another. I think it's wonderful that you're able to transcend your grief and remember all the other needy furballs out there. So many folks I know/hear of whose kitty passed away say they won't get another one. I think that is so sad. Hugs to you and Lola. take care, Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Allie DeaverSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:58 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Saying GoodbyeWell, I took Lola in to get re-evaluated, regarless of the fact that she has been going downhill fast. The results of the second test and bloodpanel were not nice, especially with her emerging symptoms. The fluid in her chest is continuing to accumulate, she stopped eating (Ive been syringe feeding her a high-cal prescription diet), she is very anemic and very jaundiced. Her breathing has become very labored and she isn't really moving around much. After discussions with 2 vets and quite a few other sources of research (including this list), we've decided to help her over the bridge after we've had a chance to say goodbye. She has too many things off in her bloodwork, her red blood cells appear to be committing suicide, kidney enzymes are elevated, despite my efforts (pedialyte) to keep her hydrated and her liver enzymes are high despite my efforts to keep her fed (Hill's a/d). She is so weak, and since she is a just a kitten, who was born with the disease, it looks highly unlikely that aggressive treatment would do anything except buy her a little time. I think I'm at peace with my decision. I had plans to take a foster in this weekend, which I think I'll go through with since it will give me something to do and a place to direct all of my love. Plus, what better tribute to Lola than to save the life of another cat in need? I've requested that the foster be vaccinated against FeLV this once, just to be extra careful.Thanks, everyone.Allie=00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals
Re: Off topic, but I have a food question
Ah...so maybe the cats know what they are talking aboutby not eating itPerhaps I will go to the website and ask. At any rate, still no takers today. SAs far as arguments against EVO. I read that the rosemary in it, (I'm pretty sure that's what it was), is not suppose to be good for cats. What's a cat mom to do?N
