date:20060614

Karen,

I buy L-lysine from my local health food store in
gelcaps (500 mg each) and open the gel cap and empty
the powder into the food.  It's not as cheap as buying
online, but I don't have to measure each time like I
would if I were to use the straight powder.  Make sure
there is no propynol glycol in the lysine.

:)
Wendy

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Chester

2006-06-14 Thread lmpalmer

Good Morning Guys,
Thank you for all the great advice and support.  I really appreciate it.  
It's great that there is a place were we can turn to.  Okay so I listened to 
you all-we have an appointment with ANOTHER doctor tonight.  I am getting my 
other cat, Timmy retested (need your prayers on this one).  And Chester is 
going so that he can be tested for anemia.  I talked to the new doctor on 
the phone last night (which is a service that my current doctor did not 
perform) and she seems to think that Chester has a chance since he is 
eating.  She thinks maybe I got him in early enought.  She will try to treat 
symtoms and then retest in 6-8 weeks (hoping for a false positive).  After 
talking to all of you I realized that there is hope and no need to call it 
quits yet.  She said that the Baytril is a little harsh on stomach but is 
okay in small strength (however, she said that she wouldn't chose this med 
first).  Said that Prednisone does hinder immune system a little but for him 
to still take it.  Hopefully she'll get a better idea when she sees him 
tonight maybe she can switch meds.  What do you think about Vitamin C to 
boost immune system?  Anyone ever try it?  I got a natural remedies book for 
cats.  Not sure about all these meds, I have a hard time believing that all 
of these drugs are good for the animals.  Does anyone live in Ohio?  Will 
write back tonight.

Have a good day,
Lisa

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Hi everyone, We have been away for awhile, just too much going on with this ringworm and work...it is all I can do to tend to all of that... I am sorry for the losses some of you have had recently...you are always in our thoughts and prayers... Anyway, bandy's entire face has ringworm on it and I have used almost the whole bottle of conofite...they said I am going to have to give him the fulvicin to get rid of it..I just hate that, but I may have no other choice. The eye drops with the pred in them are keeping it from going away faster..or that is what his eye spec said would happen..I try to keep it off the best I can with cotton balls then put the topical meds for the ringworm on there last with some other eye ointment to keep down infection..Inky (my 19yr old) had it, too, but I his has healed ok as it was on his back..and the hair has already come back...But Bandy is miserable...He has hurt his leg again due to climbing I
guess..He is eating good and fever seems to be about the same..he gets that about every 7 to 9 days..so I still give him 1/2 dex pill...and it goes away.. I forgot to mentiion I think a few weeks ago, we did a complete blood panel on Bandy and it was the first one since last Aug...His PCV was 30.4...so something must be working for that...he is making rbc so that is a positive thing for sure... His eyes are clear and he can see some...the pupils don't move...they are stuck in a fixed position, but as long as he is on the pred drops, he should be able to see some.. He is eating good and playing some.. I still give him lysine from the pill on each meal with some folic acid and bovine colostrum...also Co Q10...He is on interferon same as since last Aug. and 1/2 cc baytril. Please let me know if there is anything else I can try for the ringworm. I put some goldenseal on it too...I just don't know what else to
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Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

Hideyo,

Prayers going out for little Hannibal-I hope he gets
his sight back soon!  Please keep us posted.

:)
Wendy

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 Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for
 Hannibal - he has been
 on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP
 to be high.. and he
 is getting blind - I noticed on Saturday and did not
 any better to take
 him to the vet right away (I did not know what's
 going one).. he is on
 Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately
 there is 50/50 chance
 that he can get his vision back.. please please
 please pray for my baby,
 that his sight will come back!!!
 
  
 
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Bandy's treatment for fever

2006-06-14 Thread Kerry Roach

I am trying to catch up and saw a post about someone with an FIV and Felv+ with high fever..Bandy has both and we have been dealing with high fever for a year this month...I can just tell now when it is going up..so I give him 1/2 of .75mg. dexamethasone pill..and if that doesn't bring it down within 3 or 4 hours i give the other 1/2...it will usually bring it down...then it will go back up again within a wk or 8 or 9 days...He is also on oral interferon daily since last July...It all seems to be working for him...The fever, they tell me is due to inflammation from his diseases...so I still don't know...He always feels better within a few hours of giving the dex...also an injection will work much faster, but is alot stronger...and we save them for when it is really high or he is having other problems with his leg...or soreness from his past broken leg.  hope this helps,  Kerry and
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Re: Bandy and the ringworm

Kerry,

I am sorry to hear that Bandy is having such a tough
time kicking this damn ringworm!!!  I hate ringworm! 
I hope that the new meds the vet is prescribing are
going to work.  Please keep us posted on how he does
with it.  

:)
Wendy

--- Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everyone,
   We have been away for awhile, just too much going
 on with this ringworm and work...it is all I can do
 to tend to all of that...
   I am sorry for the losses some of you have had
 recently...you are always in our thoughts and
 prayers...
   Anyway, bandy's entire face has ringworm on it and
 I have used almost the whole bottle of
 conofite...they said I am going to have to give him
 the fulvicin to get rid of it..I just hate that, but
 I may have no other choice.  The eye drops with the
 pred in them are keeping it from going away
 faster..or that is what his eye spec said would
 happen..I try to keep it off the best I can with
 cotton balls then put the topical meds for the
 ringworm on there last with some other eye ointment
 to keep down infection..Inky (my 19yr old) had it,
 too, but I his has healed ok as it was on his
 back..and the hair has already come back...But Bandy
 is miserable...He has hurt his leg again due to
 climbing I guess..He is eating good and fever seems
 to be about the same..he gets that about every 7 to
 9 days..so I still give him 1/2 dex pill...and it
 goes away..
   I forgot to mentiion I think a few weeks ago, we
 did a complete blood panel on Bandy and it was the
 first one since last Aug...His PCV was 30.4...so
 something must be working for that...he is making
 rbc so that is a positive thing for sure...
   His eyes are clear and he can see some...the
 pupils don't move...they are stuck in a fixed
 position, but as long as he is on the pred drops, he
 should be able to see some..
   He is eating good and playing some..
   I still give him lysine from the pill on each meal
 with some folic acid and bovine colostrum...also Co
 Q10...He is on interferon same as since last Aug.
 and 1/2 cc baytril.
   Please let me know if there is anything else I can
 try for the ringworm.  I put some goldenseal on it
 too...I just don't know what else to do..I feel so
 bad for him as I know he hates all the meds for the
 ringworm..
   Head butts to all your furr babies..and hoping
 everyone is doing well today..
   Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Little
 Rascal and Snoopy
 
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Re: Chester

Hi Lisa,

My name is Wendy.  I am sorry to hear that your kitty
is sick right now.  Good for you for looking for
another vet!  I think that vets that will speak with
you on the phone are at least worth a visit.  And
those who won't, well...  

I am sending you a sick kitty manual with lots of
info. in it in another email (the list won't allow
attachments).  If you have time, check over it before
you go in tonight.  It might have something in it your
vet might use.  

I have never used vitamin C with my kitties before,
only because I didn't know about it.  If I had another
with FeLV, I would most definitely put them on it
based on the research and posts that others have made.
 Also, get some L-lysine.  It's great for the immune
system.  Just make sure that it does not contain
propynol glycol which does something to kitty's blood;
make sure it's pure lysine.

Please let us know what the vet says tonight.  Prayers
going out for your furbabies.

:)
Wendy
Dallas, Tx

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Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

Janine,

I don't know.  That's a judgement call to make for
sure and depends on your ultimate goal.  If the goal
is adoption, I think at such a young age, they are
probably not so attached just yet and separating them
might give the negative a better chance at being
adopted.  Just my two cents.

:)
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Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

2006-06-14 Thread tamara stickler

Someone once told me Bounce dryer sheets are a good ant repellent, and to put them in the window sills between the windowsI had such a huge colony of the large black ants right outside my dining rm windows, I put two sheets on top of their hills hoping they'd move away from the house a bit...within twenty minutes they had completely buried both sheets and now have a "clean freshlinen" smelling wall to wall carpet on the first floor of their hill! They have the snazziest colony for miles! They seemed very greatful! (hehee...ol' well.)Cayenne might work on ants...but squirrels and chipmonks LOVE it! I used it to deter a black snake that refused to relocate.all it did was attrack prey for him to eat...and the squirrels simply went ballistic! Like crack cocaine to them!"spearmint leaves being good deterrents"- sorry...the huge coloney of large black ants that I
have.part of their colony is actually located IN my spearmint patch!One thing that did work...to keep the ants in check...but doesn't completely kill the colony (usually)..are nematodes (sp?) microscopic bugs that you can get freeze dried, mix with water to bring them back to life and dump the water down the holes outside. They attack the larva and the ants themselves to some degree...keeping the colony numberdown to a managable level, but they won't hurt your garden, birds, other animals..etc.For best results, treat twice a yearif you want you can buy enough to pour around your outside foundationto create a barrierdo it often enough and they will find the ground unpleasant to set up home in... The plus here is that it actually IS NON TOXIC to your pets, so that if they walk through the wet solution...it won't hurt them like toxic over the counter sprays and baits that they can track in
on their feet, consume and get sick/die from. You can get Nematodes online ...http://store.arbico-organics.com/ants.html or check your local feed storeSouthern States carries them...well...order forms for them anyway. Someone recently suggested vinegar... I've also heard Baby powder works...but I haven't tried either yet.Good luck.Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Grants Ant stakes to keep ants out of the house.gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry; I should've specified that I intended this mix as an outdoor spray to prevent ants from even entering
the house. Do you think it would still be toxic with the dilution and the fact that you would simply be wiping a surface with it? What would your recommendation be for the ants?Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- Original Message - From: "TenHouseCats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:36 PMSubject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants? tea tree oil is toxic to cats! On 6/12/06, gwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I have also heard cayenne works, but have never used it. I do know that the proper treatment can depend on what type of ants they are. I also found on the 'net that 8 oz. of a natural soap (peppermint, lavender, tea tree) mixed with 1 oz. essential oil (citronella, cinammon, rose, tea tree) and
diluted with water is supposed to make a good spray/wash. You add 5 tbsp. of this mix to a quart of water. I wonder if the health food store would already have a premixed solution. I have heard of the boric acid/sugar mix, but that is a killing mixture vs. a deterrent. Kris http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Ashleigh Smith To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants? I've heard cayenne works too, but I've never personally used it. ~Ashleigh Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I seem to recall spearmint leaves being good deterrents. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of sudden
we have bunches of little red ants in our house. My hubby likes to use Terro, which I don't like at all around the furkids my human kid. Any ideas? Thanks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- MaryChristine AIM
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Re: Bandy and the ringworm

2006-06-14 Thread Gloria Lane

When I use the golden seal, I put it on every day.  The kind without  
alcohol, can go on the face too. The nutritional support sounds good  
- the colostrum and interferon etc.


I was just looking at some other alternative stuff for one of my  
kitties, and found this, which mentions ringworm - I didn't know this  
kind of stuff was anti-fungal too -
http://www.nzymes.com/ 
product_blackleaf_black_walnut_olive_leaf_tincture.htm


I've also been told to use 1/4 of a Program tablet with cats, for  
ringworm.


Good luck.

Gloria


On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Kerry Roach wrote:


Hi everyone,
We have been away for awhile, just too much going on with this  
ringworm and work...it is all I can do to tend to all of that...
I am sorry for the losses some of you have had recently...you are  
always in our thoughts and prayers...
Anyway, bandy's entire face has ringworm on it and I have used  
almost the whole bottle of conofite...they said I am going to have  
to give him the fulvicin to get rid of it..I just hate that, but I  
may have no other choice.  The eye drops with the pred in them are  
keeping it from going away faster..or that is what his eye spec  
said would happen..I try to keep it off the best I can with cotton  
balls then put the topical meds for the ringworm on there last with  
some other eye ointment to keep down infection..Inky (my 19yr old)  
had it, too, but I his has healed ok as it was on his back..and the  
hair has already come back...But Bandy is miserable...He has hurt  
his leg again due to climbing I guess..He is eating good and fever  
seems to be about the same..he gets that about every 7 to 9  
days..so I still give him 1/2 dex pill...and it goes away..
I forgot to mentiion I think a few weeks ago, we did a complete  
blood panel on Bandy and it was the first one since last Aug...His  
PCV was 30.4...so something must be working for that...he is making  
rbc so that is a positive thing for sure...
His eyes are clear and he can see some...the pupils don't  
move...they are stuck in a fixed position, but as long as he is on  
the pred drops, he should be able to see some..

He is eating good and playing some..
I still give him lysine from the pill on each meal with some folic  
acid and bovine colostrum...also Co Q10...He is on interferon same  
as since last Aug. and 1/2 cc baytril.
Please let me know if there is anything else I can try for the  
ringworm.  I put some goldenseal on it too...I just don't know what  
else to do..I feel so bad for him as I know he hates all the meds  
for the ringworm..
Head butts to all your furr babies..and hoping everyone is doing  
well today..

Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Little Rascal and Snoopy
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Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

2006-06-14 Thread Gloria Lane

I just used vinegar window cleaner, commercial, Windex I think.   
Didn't wipe it off, just soaked the window sill with it for a couple  
of days.  So far so good.


Gloria



On Jun 14, 2006, at 9:07 AM, tamara stickler wrote:

Someone once told me Bounce dryer sheets are a good ant repellent,  
and to put them in the window sills between the windowsI had  
such a huge colony of the large black ants right outside my dining  
rm windows, I put two sheets on top of their hills hoping they'd  
move away from the house a bit...within twenty minutes they had  
completely buried both sheets and now have a clean fresh linen  
smelling wall to wall carpet on the first floor of their hill!   
They have the snazziest colony for miles!  They seemed very  
greatful!  (hehee...ol' well.)


Cayenne might work on ants...but squirrels and chipmonks LOVE it!   
I used it to deter a black snake that refused to relocate.all  
it did was attrack prey for him to eat...and the squirrels simply  
went ballistic!  Like crack cocaine to them!


spearmint leaves being good deterrents- sorry...the huge coloney  
of large black ants that I have.part of their colony is  
actually located IN my spearmint patch!


One thing that did work...to keep the ants in check...but doesn't  
completely kill the colony (usually)..are nematodes (sp?)  
microscopic bugs that you can get freeze dried, mix with water to  
bring them back to life and dump the water down the holes outside.   
They attack the larva and the ants themselves to some  
degree...keeping the colony number down to a managable level, but  
they won't hurt your garden, birds, other animals..etc.For best  
results, treat twice a yearif you want you can buy enough to  
pour around your outside foundationto create a barrierdo it  
often enough and they will find the ground unpleasant to set up  
home in...  The plus here is that it actually IS NON TOXIC to your  
pets, so that if they walk through the wet solution...it won't hurt  
them like toxic over the counter sprays and baits that they can  
track in on their feet, consume and get sick/die from.


You can get Nematodes online ...http://store.arbico-organics.com/ 
ants.html or check your local feed storeSouthern States carries  
them...well...order forms for them anyway.
Someone recently suggested vinegar... I've also heard Baby powder  
works...but I haven't tried either yet.


Good luck.


Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I  use Grants Ant stakes to keep ants out of the house.

gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry; I should've specified  
that I intended this mix as an outdoor
spray to prevent ants from even entering the house. Do you think it  
would

still be toxic with the dilution and the fact that you would simply be
wiping a surface with it? What would your recommendation be for the  
ants?


Kris
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From: TenHouseCats
To:
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?


 tea tree oil is toxic to cats!

 On 6/12/06, gwork wrote:

 I have also heard cayenne works, but have never used it. I do  
know that

 the
 proper treatment can depend on what type of ants they are. I  
also found

 on
 the 'net that 8 oz. of a natural soap (peppermint, lavender, tea  
tree)

 mixed
 with 1 oz. essential oil (citronella, cinammon, rose, tea tree) and
 diluted
 with water is supposed to make a good spray/wash. You add 5  
tbsp. of

 this
 mix to a quart of water. I wonder if the health food store would  
already
 have a premixed solution. I have heard of the boric acid/sugar  
mix, but

 that is a killing mixture vs. a deterrent.

 Kris
 http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Ashleigh Smith
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:46 PM
 Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

 I've heard cayenne works too, but I've never personally used it.

 ~Ashleigh

 Barb Moermond wrote:
 I seem to recall spearmint leaves being good deterrents.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All of sudden we have bunches of little red ants in our house.  
My hubby
 likes to use Terro, which I don't like at all around the furkids  
 my

 human
 kid. Any ideas? Thanks!


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Re: new to FeLV

2006-06-14 Thread Roxane Baldwin

Thanks for your responses and I will try them. We have wormed Ty twice so far and in 8 days I'll do it again.RoxaneSusan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Bran flakes or white rice. But make sujre you deworm.Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Gastriplex is something that can be used or rice bran are a couple of things people on my other lists use for diarrhea. -- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable
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Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

2006-06-14 Thread Belinda

  Separating may be good as far as getting the negative adopted but it 
may stress the positive enough to set the virus off.  I personally would 
try adopting them out together as hard as that is going to be (or keep 
them).


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Re: Bandy and the ringworm

2006-06-14 Thread Belinda


  Hi Kerry,
  Sorry Bandy is having such a problem with the ringworm still, I was 
looking up natural and other remedies for ringworm and I came across these:


http://www.newzealandnz.co.nz/discussions/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8264/an/0/page/0

http://www.petsbestrx.com/ringworm/index.html?wcw=google
there are a couple of testamonials on this site.

I don't have any experience with either of these and I'm not sure if 
Manuka Oil (used in the first link) is dangerous to cats or not.   


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Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

2006-06-14 Thread clawsnpaws

I didn't catch the beginning of this thread, but have a recent experience I thought I'd share regarding pos/neg littermates.

We've been knee deep in a hoarder situation involving a high percentage of their cats being FeLV+. One of the females who had a litter of 5 tested negative on both ELISA and IFA. When I had her 12 week old litter tested, 3 were positive and 2 were negative. We didn't get the mother pulled before she got pregnant yet again, but she is now in foster care.

I vaccinated the 2 negatives with the FeLV vaccine and allowed them to housed together, though separate from the rest of the foster population at my home for space reasons. I didn't have another area to separate the 3 positives and refuse to cage healthy active kittens. The 3 positives found a wonderful home together and I just recently adopted out the 2 negatives at 16 weeks. I tested on IFA the 2 negatives again prior to adoption since they had been with their positive littermates since the virus was contracted.They again tested negative.

If only we could pinpoint what gives some cats such amazing immunity? The mother and the 2 negatives seem to just have it. The mother cat was in the home for 4 years with symptomatic positive cats, many whom died from the disease. There is no doubt in my mind that even unvaccinated she will never contract the disease due to her strong immunity.

I have to agree with Belinda, and would keep them together for their emotional health, which we all know plays a huge part in immune strength. I would as a precaution vaccinate the negative though.

Best of luck!
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Re: new to FeLV

2006-06-14 Thread gblane

If you're into conventional medicine, talk to the vet about trying 
Flagyl for 5-7 days.  It's been working nicely for me, with some cats 
I have.  I've also ordered an herbal liquid with the thought that it 
might help intestinal parasites.


I've also used food formulas that included brown rice (fiber) and 
that helped.  To really get into the food making for diarrhea, Dr. 
Pitcairn's book has a great recipe.


Good luck,

Gloria


At 06:09 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote:

Hi,

About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our 
house.  Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets 
office to be tested.  He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and 
neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty 
to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all.
He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we 
cleared that right up with amoxi.  He was just as full of worms as a 
cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is 
really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up.  He is on Natural 
Balance, I would like to get him onto raw.
This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what 
I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not 
really too bad.  I guess I don't know my options and my vet just 
says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then 
death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help!


Roxane

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2006-06-14 Thread gblane

Contact Rita at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

From: PurrEver Ranch Sanctuary (A Hospice For Senior Kittizens)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:46:42 -0700 (PDT)

Please help me get this old kitty safely to PurrEver Ranch.  A
horrid breeder threw her away in a kill shelter.
Thank you for your help.
rita

This is a CFA Rescue Transport for Circus, a senior Cornish Rex
lady who has lost her home and been rescued from the shelter. She
is in Temporary foster care with
Mary Baldwin - PAWS email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and she will
be going to her _foster:
Rita Wood : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.gotcats.org/

from_city+state: St. Leonard, Maryland
to_city+state: Memphis TN area  Collierville, TN

dates: Sat 6/17 and Sun 6/19

beginning_city+state: Ashburn, Virginia

ending_city+state: Memphis, TN area  Collierville, TN

how_far_from_each_end_can_travel_to_meet_connection:

breed_of_kit:  Cornish Rex
name_of_kit: Circus
age:  10 plus years
gender:  female
n_or_s:  no die to her advanced age, she will be spayed in rescue
after a complete evaluation
size+weight:  about 7 lbs
health_certificate:
rabies+date:  June 2, 2006
rabies_tag_number+state: 6428  ,Maryland
other_vac+date: Fel-O-Vax  5/24/06
dewormed:  6/03/06
advantage%2cfrontline+or+program:  no
known_med_problems: none known
known_physical_conditions_or_limitations: dirty
ears, gingivitis
aggression_or_behavior_issues: no
info_or_reports_of_biting_or_aggressive_behavior:
no
explanation_of_known_aggression_or_behavior_problems:
recent_or_current_contagious_cond_or_disease:
special_needs_or_meds_to_be_admin_during_transport:
temperament:  people
attitude_toward_strangers:
disposition_toward_extended_car_rides:
situation:  PAWS rescue from kill shelter, owner
relinquished
carrier_or_crate: yes
size_of_carrier_or_crate: large
other_items_or_meds_accompanying_furkid: Food,
water, extra towels, zip lock bag.

name_of_rescue_group: Maine Coon Rescue (MCR)
url_of_rescue_group: http://mainecoonrescue.com/

additionalrescuegroupinfo:
http://mainecoonrescue.petfinder.com

reason_for_transport: deliver to permanent foster home

  *Please Crosspost Widely

The legs of this trip are really flexible and if you are headed
that way  I hope that you can take this cat with you. Please
contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] off list as I am  on digest and
would hate to miss your offer.

Leg 1: St Leonard MD to Fredericksburg, VA  75 miles 1 hr 30 mins
FILLED Thanks Mary

Leg 2: Fredericksburg, Va to Charlottesvulle, VA via Rt 20  66
miles 1 hr 30 mins NEEDED

Leg 3: Charlottesville, VA to  Lexington, VA 66 miles 1 hr 15
mins NEEDED

Leg 4: Lexington, Va to Roanoke, Va   55 miles 1 hr NEEDED

Leg 5: Roanole VA to Wytheville, VA  72 miles 1 hr 15 mins NEEDED

Leg 6: Wytheville, VA  to Bristol, TN70 miles 1 hr 15 mins
NEEDED

Leg 7: Bristol, TN  to Lynndale, TN   70 miles 1 hr 15 mins
NEEDED

Leg 8: Lynndale, TN to Knoxville, TN  42  miles  45 mins   NEEDED

OVERNIGHT IN THIS AREA NEEDED

Sunday 6./18
Leg 9: Knoxville, TN to Crossville, TN  69 miles 1 hr 30 mins
NEEDED

Leg 10: Crossville, TN  to Lebanon, TN 89 miles 1 hr 30 mins
NEEDED

Leg 11: Lebanon, TN to  Only, TN  93 miles 1 hr 30 mins NEEDED

Leg 12:  Only Tn to Jackson,TN  70 miles 1 hr NEEDED

Leg 13: Jackson, TN to  Collierville , TN   81 miles 1 hr 30 mins
NEEDED

Carolyn Fitzgerald
Maine Coon Rescue
Chairman of the Board
Executive Director
Rescue Chair
http://mainecoonrescue.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rita Cockrell Wood, Founder
PurrEver Ranch Sanctuary (A Hospice For Senior Kittizens)
Website:  http://www.purreverranch.org
Spring Mewsletter:  http://www.gotcats.org/springmews06.html

BE A RESCUER without ever having to clean a litterbox or pick up
a hairball! Sponsor A Senior Kittizen!
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If only the waifs, the strays, the sick, the abused would be
sure to get entrance to the home, and anybody could feel at
liberty to bring in a starved or ill-treated animal and have it
cared for without pay, my object would be attained..
Ellen M Gifford Sheltering Home For Animals   Boston 1884

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But It Will Surely Change The World Of One Cat.
Please Give...So They Can Live
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Re: OT - Flower Essences





Belinda,
We were referring to an Australian Bush Flower Essence called
"Emergency". I got mine from Earth Spirits, 
http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/
a distributor for them in, I think it's in MA. I just sent my latest
little foster dog off with my husband for a plane ride to NJ to her new
forever home :( . I tried not to get upset, I thought I hid it pretty
well, but another little dog in our household, Angel, was so upset, she
was shaking. I used the EE on her ears transdermally, and she calmed
right down. Now, I can't say it's the EE, or my reassurance, but she
did settle down right after I put it on her ears. I'll go take some
myself and let you know if it helps me!
Nina

Belinda wrote:

What is EE, I just ordered the RR creme and am curious about this EE?

Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

Oh Hideyo, you know my thoughts and prayers are always with you and your 
babies. How is Hannibal doing this morning? Is he frightened? How's his 
blood pressure now? Let us know how he's doing as soon as you can. Many 
prayers that his sight is back to normal already, or at least very soon.

Much love,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal – he has 
been on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be high.. 
and he is getting blind – I noticed on Saturday and did not any better 
to take him to the vet right away (I did not know what’s going one).. 
he is on Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is 
50/50 chance that he can get his vision back.. please please please 
pray for my baby, that his sight will come back!!!


Hideyo and Hannibal

Re: Chester and location of members map


Hi Lisa,
I'm glad you and Chester found another vet.  It's a good sign that she 
talked to you and gave you advice over the phone.  Did you ask her if 
she's ever treated felv kitties before?  I'm assuming that the new vet 
is a regular GP type too.  You might want to ask her when you see her 
who she recommends in special circumstances, (most vets have a specialty 
clinic that they send patients to for tests/treatment they can't or 
don't provide).  I would make an appointment with an Internist so that 
Chester is their patient too, that way if you need them in an emergency, 
they will be familiar with his case.  Also there are meds that the GP 
won't have, (my reg vet doesn't have Interferon A, for instance), that 
the Internist will.


I had my kitties on Vita C and Lysine among other sups.  When anyone 
isn't feeling well, I'll give them Transfer Factor, (stress formula), 
you'll find info about it in the archives.  I hate giving my fur kids 
meds too, but what are you going to do?  We have special needs kids and 
sometimes they need them.  Do your research on anything prescribed so 
you know potential side effects etc.  I like that your new vet wouldn't 
have prescribed Baytril right off.  Baytril is a stronger, broader 
spectrum abx, (usually they start off with Clavomox, or Amoxi first), 
that's seems a good sign.  It depends on what their symptoms are and 
what they suspect they are fighting.  What dose of Pred did Chester's 
old vet put him on?  Remember with Pred, you have to taper them off, you 
shouldn't just stop giving it to them abruptly.


I'm not in Ohio, but I seem to remember someone on the list is.  Here's 
a map with some of our locations on it:

http://www.frappr.com/felvtalk/

Prayers for you and Chester,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Good Morning Guys,
Thank you for all the great advice and support.  I really appreciate it.  
It's great that there is a place were we can turn to.  Okay so I listened to 
you all-we have an appointment with ANOTHER doctor tonight.  I am getting my 
other cat, Timmy retested (need your prayers on this one).  And Chester is 
going so that he can be tested for anemia.  I talked to the new doctor on 
the phone last night (which is a service that my current doctor did not 
perform) and she seems to think that Chester has a chance since he is 
eating.  She thinks maybe I got him in early enought.  She will try to treat 
symtoms and then retest in 6-8 weeks (hoping for a false positive).  After 
talking to all of you I realized that there is hope and no need to call it 
quits yet.  She said that the Baytril is a little harsh on stomach but is 
okay in small strength (however, she said that she wouldn't chose this med 
first).  Said that Prednisone does hinder immune system a little but for him 
to still take it.  Hopefully she'll get a better idea when she sees him 
tonight maybe she can switch meds.  What do you think about Vitamin C to 
boost immune system?  Anyone ever try it?  I got a natural remedies book for 
cats.  Not sure about all these meds, I have a hard time believing that all 
of these drugs are good for the animals.  Does anyone live in Ohio?  Will 
write back tonight.


Have a good day,
Lisa

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Re: Bandy and the ringworm


Kerry,
It's good to hear from you.  I was just thinking about you and Bandy and 
all your babies.  I'm so sorry to hear Bandy hasn't kicked the darn 
ringworm yet, poor baby, (and poor you!).  I'm glad he's eating, but 
sorry to hear you guys haven't kicked those fevers yet.  Hooray that his 
blood count was better!  It's such a roller coaster ride, isn't it?  
You're such a good mom.  I know how dedicated you are to your 
sweethearts and how hard it is on you to watch them suffer in any way.  
Many prayers coming your way for health and happiness for all of you,

Nina

Kerry Roach wrote:


Hi everyone,
We have been away for awhile, just too much going on with this 
ringworm and work...it is all I can do to tend to all of that...
I am sorry for the losses some of you have had recently...you are 
always in our thoughts and prayers...
Anyway, bandy's entire face has ringworm on it and I have used almost 
the whole bottle of conofite...they said I am going to have to give 
him the fulvicin to get rid of it..I just hate that, but I may have no 
other choice.  The eye drops with the pred in them are keeping it from 
going away faster..or that is what his eye spec said would happen..I 
try to keep it off the best I can with cotton balls then put the 
topical meds for the ringworm on there last with some other eye 
ointment to keep down infection..Inky (my 19yr old) had it, too, but I 
his has healed ok as it was on his back..and the hair has already come 
back...But Bandy is miserable...He has hurt his leg again due to 
climbing I guess..He is eating good and fever seems to be about the 
same..he gets that about every 7 to 9 days..so I still give him 1/2 
dex pill...and it goes away..
I forgot to mentiion I think a few weeks ago, we did a complete blood 
panel on Bandy and it was the first one since last Aug...His PCV was 
30.4...so something must be working for that...he is making rbc so 
that is a positive thing for sure...
His eyes are clear and he can see some...the pupils don't move...they 
are stuck in a fixed position, but as long as he is on the pred drops, 
he should be able to see some..

He is eating good and playing some..
I still give him lysine from the pill on each meal with some folic 
acid and bovine colostrum...also Co Q10...He is on interferon same as 
since last Aug. and 1/2 cc baytril.
Please let me know if there is anything else I can try for the 
ringworm.  I put some goldenseal on it too...I just don't know what 
else to do..I feel so bad for him as I know he hates all the meds for 
the ringworm..
Head butts to all your furr babies..and hoping everyone is doing well 
today..

Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Little Rascal and Snoopy

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RE: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

Thiis so totally my fault--.. I just feel so awful.. I took his vision
away from him... this is so very hard, Nina I wanted to make the
rest of his life so comfortable instead,, I took his sight away.. only
if I were more careful.. I just cannot stand this!  Please please pray
that his vision will come back!

Hideyo and Hannibal

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

Oh Hideyo, you know my thoughts and prayers are always with you and your

babies. How is Hannibal doing this morning? Is he frightened? How's his 
blood pressure now? Let us know how he's doing as soon as you can. Many 
prayers that his sight is back to normal already, or at least very soon.
Much love,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

 Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal - he has 
 been on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be high.. 
 and he is getting blind - I noticed on Saturday and did not any better

 to take him to the vet right away (I did not know what's going one).. 
 he is on Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is 
 50/50 chance that he can get his vision back.. please please please 
 pray for my baby, that his sight will come back!!!

 Hideyo and Hannibal

Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg


Janine,
I agree with Belinda and Rachel.  I would keep them together, for both 
their sakes.  Poor little lambs have been through so much already.  Have 
you been reading the posts lately?  We just had a kitten on the list 
apparently turn out to be a false pos.  I know it's less likely in your 
case, given that other members of the colony are testing pos too, but 
your little boy is only 7 weeks and may very well be testing pos because 
of his mother's antibodies still.  Whatever you decide, I know that you 
have their best interest at heart.  Still, I'm praying that they can be 
kept together and adopted out to someone that cares as much as we do for 
their quality of life.

Thanks for all you do,
Nina

janine paton wrote:

Hi all, 


Two brothers, 7 weeks today tested one positive, one
negative for leukemia.  The mom is feral, and has not
been tested yet, but her sister tested positive.  The
mom had been trapped by someone trying to do the right
thing, but the kittens were born beforre she could get
her to the vet.  All have been living together crated
in this person's home.  


As an organization, we had a pair of littermates
testing the same as these 2, and we let them stay
together.  The positive cat died at around 3 yrs, the
negative cat is still negative (and has recently been
adopted!) so it's not entirely new to me but what's
the best thing to do?  Try to adopt them out as a
pair?  Separate them now?  Or it doesn't matter at
this point, even if the negative kitten is so young?  

The test was Elysa and we are re-running both. 

Thanks! 


Janine

RE: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

I agree with everyone --- I try not to let the test result completely
determine how their life is going to be if it may not make sense to do..
they are gifted to this world as litter mates for a reason...and that
means they should be raised together..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

Janine,
I agree with Belinda and Rachel.  I would keep them together, for both 
their sakes.  Poor little lambs have been through so much already.  Have

you been reading the posts lately?  We just had a kitten on the list 
apparently turn out to be a false pos.  I know it's less likely in your 
case, given that other members of the colony are testing pos too, but 
your little boy is only 7 weeks and may very well be testing pos because

of his mother's antibodies still.  Whatever you decide, I know that you 
have their best interest at heart.  Still, I'm praying that they can be 
kept together and adopted out to someone that cares as much as we do for

their quality of life.
Thanks for all you do,
Nina

janine paton wrote:

Hi all, 

Two brothers, 7 weeks today tested one positive, one
negative for leukemia.  The mom is feral, and has not
been tested yet, but her sister tested positive.  The
mom had been trapped by someone trying to do the right
thing, but the kittens were born beforre she could get
her to the vet.  All have been living together crated
in this person's home.  

As an organization, we had a pair of littermates
testing the same as these 2, and we let them stay
together.  The positive cat died at around 3 yrs, the
negative cat is still negative (and has recently been
adopted!) so it's not entirely new to me but what's
the best thing to do?  Try to adopt them out as a
pair?  Separate them now?  Or it doesn't matter at
this point, even if the negative kitten is so young?  

The test was Elysa and we are re-running both. 

Thanks! 

Janine

Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind





Hideyo,
I wish you would cut it out with blaming yourself for things that are
beyond your control. The only way that any of this is at all your
"fault" is that you gave Hannibal the opportunity to live long enough
to make it to this stage in his life. You and Hannibal have a special
relationship, he knows, (better than you apparently), that everything
you do for him and all those in your care, is done out of love and
concern. I know how hard you try to limit medications with side
effects, how important it is to you to try "alternative" type methods
that are less harsh on their bodies and spirits. There is no way for
you to know that rushing him to the vet sooner would have changed
what's going on. You make yourself crazy with this type of logic. You
don't want to stress him out unnecessarily with vet visits, and when
you don't rush him in, when all you were trying to do was make his life
less stressful, you "feel awful" for not being psychic enough to know
that it may have been better if you did. How in the world
could you be more "careful"? You're already the most caring human I
know! It won't do you or your babies any good to beat yourself up, you
can't change the past anymore than you can predict the future. Right
now is all you have, please shake off this feeling of guilt and go from
here. Keep making the best decisions you can, decisions based in the
best intentions, one moment to the next, one decision to the next.
That's all any of us can do. 
Sending love and prayers for you and Hannibal,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  Thiis so totally my fault--.. I just feel so awful.. I took his vision
away from him... this is so very hard, Nina I wanted to make the
rest of his life so comfortable instead,, I took his sight away.. only
if I were more careful.. I just cannot stand this!  Please please pray
that his vision will come back!

Hideyo and Hannibal

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

Oh Hideyo, you know my thoughts and prayers are always with you and your

babies. How is Hannibal doing this morning? Is he frightened? How's his 
blood pressure now? Let us know how he's doing as soon as you can. Many 
prayers that his sight is back to normal already, or at least very soon.
Much love,
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  
Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal - he has 
been on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be high.. 
and he is getting blind - I noticed on Saturday and did not any better

  
  
  
  
to take him to the vet right away (I did not know what's going one).. 
he is on Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is 
50/50 chance that he can get his vision back.. please please please 
pray for my baby, that his sight will come back!!!

Hideyo and Hannibal

Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

2006-06-14 Thread janine paton

Thank you all! 

I would prefer they stay together also and will try to
talk the woman who trapped the mom into that.  Our vet
thinks we should separate the kittens from the mom
now, but I am wondering if the negative kitten is
immune anyway.  How much more prolonged contact can
you get than birth and motherhood in a crate???

BTW, the mom had 5 kittens - one stillborn, 2 died
within a week.  I suppose that could be leukemia but
could have been  the tremendous amount of stress that
mom must have been under.

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Janine,
 I agree with Belinda and Rachel.  I would keep them
 together, for both 
 their sakes.  Poor little lambs have been through so
 much already.  Have 
 you been reading the posts lately?  We just had a
 kitten on the list 
 apparently turn out to be a false pos.  I know it's
 less likely in your 
 case, given that other members of the colony are
 testing pos too, but 
 your little boy is only 7 weeks and may very well be
 testing pos because 
 of his mother's antibodies still.  Whatever you
 decide, I know that you 
 have their best interest at heart.  Still, I'm
 praying that they can be 
 kept together and adopted out to someone that cares
 as much as we do for 
 their quality of life.
 Thanks for all you do,
 Nina
 
 janine paton wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 
 Two brothers, 7 weeks today tested one positive,
 one
 negative for leukemia.  The mom is feral, and has
 not
 been tested yet, but her sister tested positive. 
 The
 mom had been trapped by someone trying to do the
 right
 thing, but the kittens were born beforre she could
 get
 her to the vet.  All have been living together
 crated
 in this person's home.  
 
 As an organization, we had a pair of littermates
 testing the same as these 2, and we let them stay
 together.  The positive cat died at around 3 yrs,
 the
 negative cat is still negative (and has recently
 been
 adopted!) so it's not entirely new to me but what's
 the best thing to do?  Try to adopt them out as a
 pair?  Separate them now?  Or it doesn't matter at
 this point, even if the negative kitten is so
 young?  
 
 The test was Elysa and we are re-running both. 
 
 Thanks! 
 
 Janine

RE: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

2006-06-14 Thread Susan Hoffman

That feels very right on a psycho-spiritual level. Many years ago I had two cousins who had been raised as siblings. When their surrogate mother passed away at almost 18 years of age my vet offered to do a free necropsy tofind out why her response to antibiotics had been so poor. She was both FIV+ and FeLV+ and she had actually produced milk and nursed these two cousins. Before we tested I had already descided that no matter the results I would not separate them. Both were negative and remains so throughout very long lives. So I never had to face some crisis of faith.Ah, but that story relates to my experience with my personal cats. I get the impression that the original poster is a rescue/foster person who may not be able or inclined to adopt these two siblings. If that is the case, as a rescue, I would seriously consider splitting them up and getting
the negative kitten into a godd forever home. I've split up littermates and been very happy with the homes they got, and I have delayed breaking up what I considered to be a bonded pair often to the detriment of one of the kittens. (Today I listed an orange teenager for adoption. He's 9 months old and an absolute love. I had been listing him with his sister, a pretty yet still semi-feral calico, for the longest while. How long can I deny him access to his own home when I know his sister may never really tame up enough?)If you can keep both positive and negative kitten, great. But if these kittens need to be on track for adoption, list them for adoption separately and together. If they are meant to be together they will be adopted together. But we really can't assume that. Give them every option to find their own way.Hideyo Yamamoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with everyone --- I try not to let the test result completelydetermine how their life is going to be if it may not make sense to do..they are gifted to this world as litter mates for a reason...and thatmeans they should be raised together..-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinSent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:56 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one negJanine,I agree with Belinda and Rachel. I would keep them together, for both their sakes. Poor little lambs have been through so much already. Haveyou been reading the posts lately? We just had a kitten on the list apparently turn out to be a false pos. I know it's
less likely in your case, given that other members of the colony are testing pos too, but your little boy is only 7 weeks and may very well be testing pos becauseof his mother's antibodies still. Whatever you decide, I know that you have their best interest at heart. Still, I'm praying that they can be kept together and adopted out to someone that cares as much as we do fortheir quality of life.Thanks for all you do,Ninajanine paton wrote:Hi all, Two brothers, 7 weeks today tested one positive, onenegative for leukemia. The mom is feral, and has notbeen tested yet, but her sister tested positive. Themom had been trapped by someone trying to do the rightthing, but the kittens were born beforre she could gether to the vet. All have been living together cratedin this person's home. As an organization, we had a pair of
littermatestesting the same as these 2, and we let them staytogether. The positive cat died at around 3 yrs, thenegative cat is still negative (and has recently beenadopted!) so it's not entirely new to me but what'sthe best thing to do? Try to adopt them out as apair? Separate them now? Or it doesn't matter atthis point, even if the negative kitten is so young? The test was Elysa and we are re-running both. Thanks! Janine

Kasmir and Edgar

2006-06-14 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Well I think I went one whole week without having to post a loss.Could we add these 2 sweet black fur kids to the CLS. Edgar was abig Crash cat that just started declining health wise,and Kasmir was felv+,I sensed that he was leaving us so I gave him a bit of extra love,he was quite a grumbler but I would be too if I lived with so many troubles,we only had him for 3 short months and he will be missed.Thank you all once again. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Alice's IFA positive

2006-06-14 Thread Gary Murphy




Hi everyone,
The IFA came back positive on Alice today. What a stinking shame. She spent yesterday evening snuggled on my shoulder while I sat out back on the glider reading. I have contacted a local rescue for help in re-homing her. I also posted her (with picture) in the FeLV+ ads at this list's home site. The 4 others will live in our bedroom until they are retested in a couple of months. I know this may make it harder to adopt them out at an older age, but I hate to risk inflicting this horrible disease on some other innocent household. Even if we can just find homes for one or two, I think I have my dear, patient hubbyconvinced to keep the rest. I'll keep checkingback here for info.that will help us care for Allyuntil she's resettled, and keep praying foryour dear furbabies.This list is a wonderful thing to calm the panic of that first diagnosis. Thank you all so much,

Beth 
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Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

It is tough when you are not in the position of being able to keep them 
yourself, (and who in rescue, besides Hideyo, can keep doing that?).  We 
have a couple of foster Chow/Husky littermates at our house.  I was 
determined to keep them together too.  They are so bonded, (together 
they are outgoing and social, take one out without the other, and they 
are introverted and insecure).  They've been with us for months and I 
finally told Bruce that we might have to consider separate homes for 
them.  He looked at me and with a pout on his face as he said, They are 
home.  I guess they are.  As I just wrote earlier, I sent my little 
Chiu/Terrier rescue, (Pequita, all of 7lbs soaking wet) off this morning 
to her forever home.  She was a nasty little cur when she showed up at 
my door and has turned into such a sweet, trusting girl, always doing 
her best to understand and please.  It's so hard to part with any of 
them.  Can you tell I bonded to her as much as she did to me?  (BTW, 
Belinda, the EE did help me!).  Something about these two kittens... The 
fact that they are only 7 weeks old and have come from a feral mom, have 
been crated together through what must have been a terrifying experience 
for them, I don't know...  I understand the hard decisions that have to 
be made, but I'm still praying there is a way to keep them together.  
Maybe I don't belong in rescue, but I still can't help leading with my 
heart.

Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:


That feels very right on a psycho-spiritual level.

Re: Bandy and the ringworm

2006-06-14 Thread clarissa- Floyd

the program does not workfor ringworm. all 8 here had it over the holidays and after a month of no results we useda spray and shampoo made by malaseb. for the face you use the spray on a cloth and wipe on their face. unfortunatly the spores can live in the house for up to 18 months. (so they can reinfect durring that time) theres some informative websites out there on cleanup in the house ect. i know what your going through ! i bathed 8 twice a week ! the spray alone may help. if you want to try it out i can mail you a bottle. (have a couple left from our bout with ringworm)
karen



When I use the golden seal, I put it on every day. The kind without  alcohol, can go on the face too. The nutritional support sounds good - the colostrum and interferon etc.I was just looking at some other alternative stuff for one of my kitties, and found this, which mentions ringworm - I didn't know this kind of stuff was anti-fungal too -http://www.nzymes.com/ product_blackleaf_black_walnut_olive_leaf_tincture.htmI've also been told to use 1/4 of a Program tablet with cats, for ringworm.Good luck.GloriaOn Jun 14, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Kerry Roach wrote:Hi 
everyone,We have been away for awhile, just too much going on with this ringworm and work...it is all I can do to tend to all of that...I am sorry for the losses some of you have had recently...you are always in our thoughts and prayers...Anyway, bandy's entire face has ringworm on it and I have used almost the whole bottle of conofite...they said I am going to have to give him the fulvicin to get rid of it..I just hate that, but I may have no other choice. The eye drops with the pred in them are keeping it from going away faster..or that is what his eye spec said would happen..I try to keep it off the best I can with cotton balls then put the topical meds for the ringworm on there last with  some other eye ointment to keep down infection..Inky 
(my 19yr old) had it, too, but I his has healed ok as it was on his back..and the hair has already come back...But Bandy is miserable...He has hurt his leg again due to climbing I guess..He is eating good and fever seems to be about the same..he gets that about every 7 to 9 days..so I still give him 1/2 dex pill...and it goes away..I forgot to mentiion I think a few weeks ago, we did a complete blood panel on Bandy and it was the first one since last Aug...His PCV was 30.4...so something must be working for that...he is making  rbc so that is a positive thing for sure...His eyes are clear and he can see some...the pupils don't move...they are stuck in a fixed position, but as long as he is on the pred drops, he should be able to see 
some..He is eating good and playing some..I still give him lysine from the pill on each meal with some folic acid and bovine colostrum...also Co Q10...He is on interferon same as since last Aug. and 1/2 cc baytril.Please let me know if there is anything else I can try for the ringworm. I put some goldenseal on it too...I just don't know what  else to do..I feel so bad for him as I know he hates all the meds  for the ringworm..Head butts to all your furr babies..and hoping everyone is doing well today..Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Little Rascal and Snoopy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com

Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

Stillborn kitties are common in FeLV+ mothers.

:)
Wendy

--- janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you all! 
 
 I would prefer they stay together also and will try
 to
 talk the woman who trapped the mom into that.  Our
 vet
 thinks we should separate the kittens from the mom
 now, but I am wondering if the negative kitten is
 immune anyway.  How much more prolonged contact
 can
 you get than birth and motherhood in a crate???
 
 BTW, the mom had 5 kittens - one stillborn, 2 died
 within a week.  I suppose that could be leukemia but
 could have been  the tremendous amount of stress
 that
 mom must have been under.
 
 --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Janine,
  I agree with Belinda and Rachel.  I would keep
 them
  together, for both 
  their sakes.  Poor little lambs have been through
 so
  much already.  Have 
  you been reading the posts lately?  We just had a
  kitten on the list 
  apparently turn out to be a false pos.  I know
 it's
  less likely in your 
  case, given that other members of the colony are
  testing pos too, but 
  your little boy is only 7 weeks and may very well
 be
  testing pos because 
  of his mother's antibodies still.  Whatever you
  decide, I know that you 
  have their best interest at heart.  Still, I'm
  praying that they can be 
  kept together and adopted out to someone that
 cares
  as much as we do for 
  their quality of life.
  Thanks for all you do,
  Nina
  
  janine paton wrote:
  
  Hi all, 
  
  Two brothers, 7 weeks today tested one positive,
  one
  negative for leukemia.  The mom is feral, and has
  not
  been tested yet, but her sister tested positive. 
  The
  mom had been trapped by someone trying to do the
  right
  thing, but the kittens were born beforre she
 could
  get
  her to the vet.  All have been living together
  crated
  in this person's home.  
  
  As an organization, we had a pair of littermates
  testing the same as these 2, and we let them stay
  together.  The positive cat died at around 3 yrs,
  the
  negative cat is still negative (and has recently
  been
  adopted!) so it's not entirely new to me but
 what's
  the best thing to do?  Try to adopt them out as a
  pair?  Separate them now?  Or it doesn't matter
 at
  this point, even if the negative kitten is so
  young?  
  
  The test was Elysa and we are re-running both. 
  
  Thanks! 
  
  Janine
  
   
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
 
 
 


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RE: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

It's a difficult decision.. cats are a lot more complicated than dogs
due to all the virus related illness.. there are lot of more things to
consider whether we need to keep them together or separate which you
really won't have to worry about at all for medical reasons most of the
time...

I am speaking of psycho-spiritual level totally.. I have two felk
kitties who are asymptomatic and I am so grateful.. and I have CRF kitty
whom I am trying to do everything I can to take care of... you just
don't know with kitties.. positive may become negative and negative
becomes positive.. I am experiencing this all the time with FIV virus..
and I just stopped putting the test result at the top of the priority..
negative does not guarantee anything as feline have so many
complicated other illness.. and positive also does not mean death
sentence  --- for the same reason, you will not separate kitties who
have lived together for years if you just find out if one is positive..
I would not separate these two.. they need each other.. again, that's me
--- I have done some things totally based on the test result one time..
and I ended up regretting for the rest of my life.. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: 2 littermates - one pos/one neg

It is tough when you are not in the position of being able to keep them 
yourself, (and who in rescue, besides Hideyo, can keep doing that?).  We

have a couple of foster Chow/Husky littermates at our house.  I was 
determined to keep them together too.  They are so bonded, (together 
they are outgoing and social, take one out without the other, and they 
are introverted and insecure).  They've been with us for months and I 
finally told Bruce that we might have to consider separate homes for 
them.  He looked at me and with a pout on his face as he said, They are

home.  I guess they are.  As I just wrote earlier, I sent my little 
Chiu/Terrier rescue, (Pequita, all of 7lbs soaking wet) off this morning

to her forever home.  She was a nasty little cur when she showed up at 
my door and has turned into such a sweet, trusting girl, always doing 
her best to understand and please.  It's so hard to part with any of 
them.  Can you tell I bonded to her as much as she did to me?  (BTW, 
Belinda, the EE did help me!).  Something about these two kittens... The

fact that they are only 7 weeks old and have come from a feral mom, have

been crated together through what must have been a terrifying experience

for them, I don't know...  I understand the hard decisions that have to 
be made, but I'm still praying there is a way to keep them together.  
Maybe I don't belong in rescue, but I still can't help leading with my 
heart.
Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:

 That feels very right on a psycho-spiritual level.

Re: Bandy and the ringworm




I thought the program is just for fleas.
Michelle

In a message dated 6/14/2006 6:27:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

the program does not workfor ringworm. all 8 here had it over the holidays and after a month of no results we useda spray and shampoo made by malaseb. for the face you use the spray on a cloth and wipe on their face. unfortunatly the spores can live in the house for up to 18 months. (so they can reinfect durring that time) theres some informative websites out there on cleanup in the house ect. i know what your going through ! i bathed 8 twice a week ! the spray alone may help. if you want to try it out i can mail you a bottle. (have a couple left from our bout with ringworm)
karen

Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

2006-06-14 Thread jenmeyer

Well said, Michelle!



But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Praying for Hannibal's vision to come back.
 
 I so hope it does, Hideyo, but if it does not, cats can learn to 
 live without 
 vision, but not without red blood cells.  You have made the right 
 decisions 
 for him.  he would not be here without the decisions you have made.
 
 Michelle

Re: Bandy's treatment for fever




Kerry, did you ever try the Immuno-Regulin for the fevers? It got rid of them for Smokey on this list, who seemed to have the same on and off fevers as Bandy. I have a feeling you may have written about this before, but can't remember so thought I would ask.
Michelle

In a message dated 6/14/2006 9:31:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I am trying to catch up and saw a post about someone with an FIV and Felv+ with high fever..Bandy has both and we have been dealing with high fever for a year this month...I can just tell now when it is going up..so I give him 1/2 of .75mg. dexamethasone pill..and if that doesn't bring it down within 3 or 4 hours i give the other 1/2...it will usually bring it down...then it will go back up again within a wk or 8 or 9 days...He is also on oral interferon daily since last July...It all seems to be working for him...The fever, they tell me is due to inflammation from his diseases...so I still don't know...He always feels better within a few hours of giving the dex...also an injection will work much faster, but is alot stronger...and we save them for when it is really high or he is having other problems with his leg...or soreness from his past broken leg.
hope this helps,
Kerry and Bandy

Re: Bandy and the ringworm



Actually, I am almost positive that someone said a long time ago that the Immuno-regulin helped her cat kick ringworm. I think ringworm gets more of a hold when cats have suppressed immune symptoms, like with FeLV, and the I-R gives the immune system a quick boost to help fight it. Maybe it would help the fever at the same time.
Michelle

RE: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

Thanks, Michelle for your kind words...I just wish I had known more about it so 
that as soon as I knew that something was wrong with his eyes, I would have 
taken to the vet right away.. instead.. I just sat at home wondering...stupid 
of me..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

Well said, Michelle!

But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Praying for Hannibal's vision to come back.

 I so hope it does, Hideyo, but if it does not, cats can learn to 
 live without 
 vision, but not without red blood cells.  You have made the right 
 decisions 
 for him.  he would not be here without the decisions you have made.

 Michelle

Re: Diagnosed Today




Yes, if the anemia is caused by lymphoma, leukemia the cancer, or an auto-immune response, steroids are one of the best things to use and are actually necessary.
Michelle

In a message dated 6/13/2006 9:00:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Hi, It depends on what is causing the anemia, Bailey was getting high doses of pred along with epogen to fight his anemia. this is not good as pred is an immune suppressant, not to mention I don't think it is necessarily the best way of handling anemia

Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind




We can not know everything. Now you know. If you had brought him to the vet and it was nothing, you would have felt bad about stressing him unnecessarily. We are always walking this fine line with our positives and ferals.
Michelle

In a message dated 6/14/2006 7:41:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks, Michelle for your kind words...I just wish I had known more about it so that as soon as I knew that something was wrong with his eyes, I would have taken to the vet right away.. instead.. I just sat at home wondering...stupid of me..

Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

2006-06-14 Thread TatorBunz

Hideyo,
Stop it!!! It's not your fault!!!
Remember, he can feel your vibrations and you being upset.
Nina is right you have given him more than he would have!
Bless you for what you have done for all your babies even the ones that find you!

In a message dated 6/14/2006 1:32:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hideyo,I wish you would cut it out with blaming yourself for things that are beyond your control. The only way that any of this is at all your "fault" is that you gave Hannibal the opportunity to live long enough to make it to this stage in his life. You and Hannibal have a special relationship, he knows, (better than you apparently), that everything you do for him and all those in your care, is done out of love and concern. I know how hard you try to limit medications with side effects, how important it is to you to try "alternative" type methods that are less harsh on their bodies and spirits. There is no way for you to know that rushing him to the vet sooner would have changed what's going on. You make yourself crazy with this type of logic. You don't want to stress him out unnecessarily with vet visits, and when you don't rush him in, when all you were trying to do was make his life less stressful, you "feel awful" for not being psychic enough to know that it may have been better if you did. How in the world could you be more "careful"? You're already the most caring human I know! It won't do you or your babies any good to beat yourself up, you can't change the past anymore than you can predict the future. Right now is all you have, please shake off this feeling of guilt and go from here. Keep making the best decisions you can, decisions based in the best intentions, one moment to the next, one decision to the next. That's all any of us can do. Sending love and prayers for you and Hannibal,NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote:
Thiis so totally my fault--.. I just feel so awful.. I took his vision
away from him... this is so very hard, Nina I wanted to make the
rest of his life so comfortable instead,, I took his sight away.. only
if I were more careful.. I just cannot stand this! Please please pray
that his vision will come back!

Hideyo and Hannibal

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Re: Kasmir and Edgar

2006-06-14 Thread Terri Brown





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  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:10 
  PM
  Subject: Kasmir and Edgar
  Well I think I went one whole week without having to post a 
  loss.Could we add these 2 sweet black fur kids to the CLS. Edgar was 
  abig Crash cat that just started declining health wise,and Kasmir 
  was felv+,I sensed that he was leaving us so I gave him a bit of extra love,he 
  was quite a grumbler but I would be too if I lived with so many troubles,we 
  only had him for 3 short months and he will be missed.Thank you all once 
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Re: Bandy and the ringworm




I agree, the ringworm could be so bad in his case due to immune system 
issues. I'd definitely do anything I could to boost his immune system. I didn't 
see vitamin C on your list of things you're feeding him.

I have NO idea if this is safe for sick cats or not (or if it might do 
anything to his eye issues), so ask around, BUT, I cured more than one dog of 
severe flea allergy (oozing, bleeding, open, scabby, nasty looking skin) with 
supplementing MSM. It seems to have some unknown anti-inflammatory properties. I 
know it's safe for dogs, horses, and if labeled for cats, healthy cats,not 
sure about cats with immune problems like FELV and/or FIV. I can assure you it 
CAN work miracles in some cases, I have seen it myself, for dogs with flea 
dermatitis, and for arthritic horses. FosterSmith.com sells a few kinds labeled 
for use in cats. In fact, I used it on Bones for a while (it is also wonderful 
for arthritis) for her back problems. It wont cure the ringworm, but it may help 
with much of the inflammation he's getting because of it. And who knows, it 
might help his eye and fever. Do check with your vet though, to be sure it wont 
interact badly with his other meds.

Poor guy, he's had it bad for quite some time now! Did you get one of those 
cape/cone collars to keep him from scratching at his head?
Phaewryn

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Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind




My thoughts are with Hannibal, I hope he's feeling better soon!


On the positive side, cats usually adapt well when they lose their vision. 
The people on the handicats2 yahoogroup are great for blind cat problems, if you 
need advice on that kind of stuff.
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Re: new to FeLV




a week and a half is way too soon to expect good stools from a cat that 
infested with worms. keep in mind, worms physically damage the lining of the 
intestine, and he could be pretty badly messed up inside. give him at least a 
month or two before you even expect to see normal stools. also, if he's only 
been with you that long, he's probably still adapting from the food switch (i'm 
sure he wasn't eating what you have him on now when he was a stray). it takes 
time for a cat's digestive system to stabilize after diet changes... even cats 
without worms, but in his case, even more so.
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Re: OT - Flower Essences




Tellington TTouch massage has a movement done on the ears known to calm 
animals. Perhaps it was less the EE and more of the touch you used to apply it. 
:)
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Re: Advice Needed