date:20060705

Nina, I was using it for years until my distributor continued to carry
(since I buy stuff from a wholesale distributors) you can get petsmart,
petco.. or now just about most of pet supplies..

I use sweet scoop, which is much cheaper than worlds best ---I
personally prefer worlds best,, but with the volume I have and since I
can no longer get them from a distributor, I switched,, and it does what
it needs to do, and still safe..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

Thanks.  So you can get World's Best Cat Litter in the US?  When I found

their website they didn't have a retailer listed in the US.  Where do 
you buy it?  I'm guessing it's pricey too.  I'm pleased about using 
something that is biodegradable and not a health risk to me or my 
babies, but I'm not to worried about my cats pooping in non-organic 
litter. 
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I use Worlds' Best Cat Litter, which is made of corn, and is great. It

 clumps just enough to be able to scoop it, but the clumps are soft, 
 not hard, and it is just corn, which is digestible if swallowed, and 
 safe.  One of the websites my mom sent me said it is the safest, 
 healthiest, and most environmental of the litters. Another said it is 
 not the best because the corn is not organic and hence has some 
 pesticides on it, and recommended using an organic wheat litter or 
 recycled newspaper litter instead.  There are apparently other 
 plant-based litters also, like ones made out of kanaf.
  
 Hope this helps,
 Michelle

RE: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health









Also, Dr Elleys (sp?) cat litter is
a clay litter, but does not contain silica, and therefore its supposed
to be safe.. and much much cheaper than any other kinds..











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:22
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping
Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health







This is what i found on one of the web
pages my mom sent me:











 Most,
if not all, clay litters contain silica, which is potentially harmful. From
a Web
page at The Andersons' Web site (manufacturers of FIELDFresh):
Crystalline Silica, once airborne, shows the ability of causing
Silicosis. This can cause incurable lesions on the lungs and throat, rendering
that tissue useless for transferring oxygen. Crystalline Silica is a naturally
occurring element, also known as Quartz, and is found in some of the clay
litters. ... According to government standards, silica is a known carcinogen
and a Prop 65 material in California.












Yours is mostly dust-free, so maybe it is
ok. I would be paranoid about it, though. The dessicant stuff that Arm
and Hammer compares it to is definitely harmful if eaten (that's what all those
little bags in vitamin bottles are filled with, and they always say
caution: do not eat on them), and they do tend to get litter on
their paws and lick their paws.











The websites my mom sent recommend using
corn or wheat litter, or using recycled newspaper litter (they say that the
chemical that used to make ink harmful is now illegal for newspapers to use,
but I still don't like the idea of any ink being in the litter box). I
use Worlds' Best Cat Litter, which is made of corn, and is great. It clumps
just enough to be able to scoop it, but the clumps are soft, not hard, and it
is just corn, which is digestible if swallowed, and safe. One of the
websites my mom sent me said it is the safest, healthiest, and most
environmental of the litters. Another said it is not the best because the corn
is not organic and hence has some pesticides on it, and recommended using an
organic wheat litter or recycled newspaper litter instead. There are
apparently other plant-based litters also, like ones made out of kanaf.











Hope this helps,





Michelle

RE: Nina - silica









Nina, silica is dangerous.. thats
what they use to keep the food dry (comes in a package with a bag of food ---
says dont eat it











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:57
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: Check out
Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





I use clumping litter, so
I appreciate your posting this to the list. The brand of clumping litter
I get at Costco is LitterPurrfect. It doesn't contain sodium bentonite,
but it does have silica gel. Do you know if this is dangerous as well?
The box still warns against flushing the litter, so it makes me wonder.
It says it's 99% dust free, so that should help with the inhalant risks.
I did a quick search and this is what I found on the Arm  Hammer website
about their litter, (couldn't find a website for LitterPurrfect). I'm
always skeptical of any manufacturer's claims of safety etc. What do you
think?

 The silica
gel beads used in crystal cat litters have an amorphous structure
and pose no health hazard to the consumer (both the cat and its owner). Silica
gel used for cat litters is chemically similar to silica gels used as
desiccants (humidity absorbents found in bags, purses, etc.) but are
structurally different, designed to remain intact in the presence of liquids
(desiccant silica gels fracture in the presence of liquids). Silica gel
crystals used for cat litter absorb cat urine into its internal pore structure,
then allows the water to slowly evaporate. 

When mixed at appropriate levels with scoopable or clumping clay, silica gel
crystals add its absorbing properties to that of the clay, without interfering
with the clumping properties of the clay and without having the negative
properties associated with 100% silica gel crystals, such as potential cat
rejection. The presence of silica gel crystals in our clumping litter also
signals that the product is different and better than conventional clumping
litter. 

I hate to give up the convenience of clumping litter, but of course if I'm
putting my cats at risk there's not debate. The website link doesn't seem
to be that current. While I was composing this post, I did some more
searching and I came up with an all natural, ingestible, corn based
clumping litter called World's best cat litter that talks about the
dangers of respiratory aliments associated with silica gels The problem
is it doesn't seem to be available in the US. Does anyone know of a
natural clumping alternative that's available in the US? Here's what I found on
the wbct website:

SILICA CAT LITTER

Silica gel
litter is made from silica dioxide sand (the same material found in quartz),
oxygen and water. The gel contains millions of tiny pores that can absorb up to
40 times their weight in moisture. It comes in spheres (also called
pearls), half spheres and crystal shapes. Some manufacturers add
dyes and scents, so you want to watch out for, and avoid, those. The most worrying part of silica is that it is a well
known carcinogen (a substance that promotes cancer).



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



FYI, my mom sent me this.. I do not
use this kind of litter, but maybe some of you do... Hideyo-- what kind of
litter do you use? This website talks about kittens having problems from the
litter.











Michelle

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





Thanks Hideyo,
I did a search on "sweet scoop". It's actually spelled "Swheat Scoop", a little clever word play, as if
English isn't confusing enough! I was surprised to find out just how
great a hazard the regular clumping litter can be, (thanks again
Michelle), and I don't want to support the companies that make it, or
endanger my cats. It is discouraging to find yet another expense and
inconvenience trying to do what's best for my fur family. I did a
little snooping and regular, non scented clay litter like Johnny cat,
seems to be safe. Has anyone heard anything that would make you
suspect otherwise?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  Nina, I was using it for years until my distributor continued to carry
(since I buy stuff from a wholesale distributors) you can get petsmart,
petco.. or now just about most of pet supplies..

I use sweet scoop, which is much cheaper than worlds best ---I
personally prefer worlds best,, but with the volume I have and since I
can no longer get them from a distributor, I switched,, and it does what
it needs to do, and still safe..

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

2006-07-05 Thread moonvine

- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 11:43 am
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's 
Health
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Thanks Hideyo,
 I did a search on sweet scoop.  It's actually spelled Swheat 
 Scoop*, 
 *a little clever word play, as if English isn't confusing enough!  
 I was 
 surprised to find out just how great a hazard the regular clumping 
 litter can be, (thanks again Michelle), and I don't want to 
 support the 
 companies that make it, or endanger my cats.  It is discouraging 
 to find 
 yet another expense and inconvenience trying to do what's best for 
 my 
 fur family.  I did a little snooping and regular, non scented clay 
 litter like Johnny cat, seems to be safe.  Has anyone heard 
 anything 
 that would make you suspect otherwise?
 Nina
 *
I use regular, non scented, non scooping litter for my kittens as tiny 
kittens will eat scooping litter - I don't know why, it doesn't look 
like it would taste very good.  It is so cheap I just dump the whole 
kitten litterboxes out and refill them daily.  I think 20 lbs is about 
$2.50 on sale around here.

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





I just called Sally to ask her about which litter she uses, (many of
you guys probably remember "Sally from San Jose" that used to be on the
list). She had a very sad time with kitten mortality not too long ago
and I just wanted to make sure she wasn't using the hazardous litters.
I should have known better. Anyway, what she uses is corn chicken
feed. It's called "laying chicken crumbles" and she says it works
almost as well, (for clumping properties) as the World's best litter
and is very inexpensive. It's doubtful that this is organically grown  ;-) , but it is
biodegradable and ingestible. I'm going to call around and see if I
can find it at feed stores. Sally says she prefers it to the clay
because it's not as heavy and there are no chemicals added. I'll let
you know how well it works for my guys,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 11:43 am
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's 
Health
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  
  
Thanks Hideyo,
I did a search on "sweet scoop".  It's actually spelled "Swheat 
Scoop*", 
*a little clever word play, as if English isn't confusing enough!  
I was 
surprised to find out just how great a hazard the regular clumping 
litter can be, (thanks again Michelle), and I don't want to 
support the 
companies that make it, or endanger my cats.  It is discouraging 
to find 
yet another expense and inconvenience trying to do what's best for 
my 
fur family.  I did a little snooping and regular, non scented clay 
litter like Johnny cat, seems to be safe.  Has anyone heard 
anything 
that would make you suspect otherwise?
Nina
*

  
  I use regular, non scented, non scooping litter for my kittens as tiny 
kittens will eat scooping litter - I don't know why, it doesn't look 
like it would taste very good.  It is so cheap I just dump the whole 
kitten litterboxes out and refill them daily.  I think 20 lbs is about 
$2.50 on sale around here.

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

2006-07-05 Thread Kat

Nina,
There are 2 kinds of crumbles - one of them is laced with antibiotics, so
double check when you call around.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, Nina wrote:

 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:53:23 -0700
 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

 I just called Sally to ask her about which litter she uses, (many of you
 guys probably remember Sally from San Jose that used to be on the
 list).  She had a very sad time with kitten mortality not too long ago
 and I just wanted to make sure she wasn't using the hazardous litters.
 I should have known better.  Anyway, what she uses is corn chicken
 feed.  It's called laying chicken crumbles and she says it works
 almost as well, (for clumping properties) as the World's best litter and
 is very inexpensive.  It's doubtful that this is organically grown ;-) ,
 but it is biodegradable and ingestible.  I'm going to call around and
 see if I can find it at feed stores.  Sally says she prefers it to the
 clay because it's not as heavy and there are no chemicals added.  I'll
 let you know how well it works for my guys,
 Nina

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 11:43 am
 Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's
 Health
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Thanks Hideyo,
 I did a search on sweet scoop.  It's actually spelled Swheat
 Scoop*,
 *a little clever word play, as if English isn't confusing enough!
 I was
 surprised to find out just how great a hazard the regular clumping
 litter can be, (thanks again Michelle), and I don't want to
 support the
 companies that make it, or endanger my cats.  It is discouraging
 to find
 yet another expense and inconvenience trying to do what's best for
 my
 fur family.  I did a little snooping and regular, non scented clay
 litter like Johnny cat, seems to be safe.  Has anyone heard
 anything
 that would make you suspect otherwise?
 Nina
 *

 I use regular, non scented, non scooping litter for my kittens as tiny
 kittens will eat scooping litter - I don't know why, it doesn't look
 like it would taste very good.  It is so cheap I just dump the whole
 kitten litterboxes out and refill them daily.  I think 20 lbs is about
 $2.50 on sale around here.

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

Thanks Kat!  The chicken feed certainly wouldn't work for Michelle, or 
anyone that might have a rodent problem.  I can just see the little guys 
lined up at the buffet.  Was it someone on the list that wrote about 
weevils being a problem with wheat litter?  You'd think I had tons of 
time on my hands!  I can't even remember where I read what.

Nina

Kat wrote:


Nina,
There are 2 kinds of crumbles - one of them is laced with antibiotics, so
double check when you call around.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

RE: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health









Does corn chicken feed clump?











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
11:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping
Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





I just called Sally to ask her about which litter she
uses, (many of you guys probably remember Sally from San Jose that used to be on the
list). She had a very sad time with kitten mortality not too long ago and
I just wanted to make sure she wasn't using the hazardous litters. I
should have known better. Anyway, what she uses is corn chicken
feed. It's called laying chicken crumbles and she says it
works almost as well, (for clumping properties) as the World's best litter and
is very inexpensive. It's doubtful that this is organically grown ;-) , but it is biodegradable and ingestible.
I'm going to call around and see if I can find it at feed stores. Sally
says she prefers it to the clay because it's not as heavy and there are no
chemicals added. I'll let you know how well it works for my guys,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



- Original Message -From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 11:43 amSubject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's HealthTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Thanks Hideyo,I did a search on sweet scoop. It's actually spelled Swheat Scoop*, *a little clever word play, as if English isn't confusing enough! I was surprised to find out just how great a hazard the regular clumping litter can be, (thanks again Michelle), and I don't want to support the companies that make it, or endanger my cats. It is discouraging to find yet another expense and inconvenience trying to do what's best for my fur family. I did a little snooping and regular, non scented clay litter like Johnny cat, seems to be safe. Has anyone heard anything that would make you suspect otherwise?Nina* 

I use regular, non scented, non scooping litter for my kittens as tiny kittens will eat scooping litter - I don't know why, it doesn't look like it would taste very good. It is so cheap I just dump the whole kitten litterboxes out and refill them daily. I think 20 lbs is about $2.50 on sale around here.

Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health





Sally says it does. Not as well as clumping litter, but enough to make
scooping urine possible. She says it stays cleaner than regular clay
litter too. I'm going to try it. You might want to consider trying it
since it costs so much less. Did you read Kat's warning to be sure the
chicken feed crumbles don't contain abx?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  

  

  
  
  
  Does corn
chicken feed clump?

RE: Chicken Crumbles

2006-07-05 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



I used 
it, but I had been using World's Best before then. It is lots cheaper, but I 
found it tracked too much and did not hold up as well as World's Best. Even 
though, World's Best costs a bit more, I found with the Chicken Crumbles,I 
was always mopping and dumping I switched back to World's Best. 


  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  NinaSent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:20 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay 
  Kitty Litters and Your Cat's HealthSally says it 
  does. Not as well as clumping litter, but enough to make scooping urine 
  possible. She says it stays cleaner than regular clay litter too. 
  I'm going to try it. You might want to consider trying it since it costs 
  so much less. Did you read Kat's warning to be sure the chicken feed 
  crumbles don't contain abx?NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote:
  




Does corn chicken 
feed clump?

RE: Chicken Crumbles

Title: Message








I know what you mean.. I used one of the
wheat clumping litter which did not clump well at all (not swheat sccop) 
I got so frustrated I spend about $700 on just litter because of the
volume I have with swheat scoop --- its cheaper than worlds best..at
least..











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doljan, Joan
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
2:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Chicken Crumbles







I used it, but I had been using World's
Best before then. It is lots cheaper, but I found it tracked too much and did
not hold up as well as World's Best. Even though, World's Best costs a bit
more, I found with the Chicken Crumbles,I was always mopping and
dumping I switched back to World's Best. 





-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
4:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping
Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

Sally says it does. Not as well as clumping
litter, but enough to make scooping urine possible. She says it stays
cleaner than regular clay litter too. I'm going to try it. You
might want to consider trying it since it costs so much less. Did you
read Kat's warning to be sure the chicken feed crumbles don't contain abx?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



Does corn
chicken feed clump?

Re: Chicken Crumbles





Thanks Joan. It sure would be nice to find convenient, safe,
environmentally friendly, and inexpensive products. I hadn't thought
about it, but I guess it's rare to find all four in a product of any
kind. Maybe white vinegar!
Nina

Doljan, Joan wrote:

  Message
  
  
  I used it, but I had been using World's Best
before then. It is lots cheaper, but I found it tracked too much and
did not hold up as well as World's Best. Even though, World's Best
costs a bit more, I found with the Chicken Crumbles,I was always
mopping and dumping I switched back to World's Best. 
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your
Cat's Health


Sally says it does. Not as well as clumping litter, but enough to make
scooping urine possible. She says it stays cleaner than regular clay
litter too. I'm going to try it. You might want to consider trying it
since it costs so much less. Did you read Kat's warning to be sure the
chicken feed crumbles don't contain abx?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  

  
  
  Does corn
chicken feed clump?

RE: Chicken Crumbles

Title: Message








Just as FYI  one of my old
distributors is actually in the process of manufacturing new corn based litter 
it works just like world best litter  I have actually tried them as a
test sample for a couple of times they are very good.. and the pricing
is supposed to be much cheaperjust dont know when they will be
ready..











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
2:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Chicken Crumbles





Thanks Joan. It sure would be nice to find
convenient, safe, environmentally friendly, and inexpensive products. I
hadn't thought about it, but I guess it's rare to find all four in a product of
any kind. Maybe white vinegar!
Nina

Doljan, Joan wrote:





I used it, but I had been using World's
Best before then. It is lots cheaper, but I found it tracked too much and did
not hold up as well as World's Best. Even though, World's Best costs a bit
more, I found with the Chicken Crumbles,I was always mopping and
dumping I switched back to World's Best. 





-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
4:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping
Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

Sally says it does. Not as well as clumping
litter, but enough to make scooping urine possible. She says it stays
cleaner than regular clay litter too. I'm going to try it. You
might want to consider trying it since it costs so much less. Did you
read Kat's warning to be sure the chicken feed crumbles don't contain abx?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:



Does corn
chicken feed clump?

OT - Itchy cats antihistamine and other treatments

Hi Michelle,
I had been avoiding using antihistamine for Starman's itching because,
well, mostly because I hate to medicate period. Have you heard
anything detrimental about long term use in controlling Patches'
itching with it? I was looking for information about possible side
effects, long or short term and found this page on treatments for
allergies sponsored by Drs. Foster Smith. I know you said
Patches chews on herself because of anxiety, (tell Lucy to stop
pouncing on her!), but thought you might find it interesting and
helpful. I didn't know that Omega 3 was specifically beneficial for
itching, and that biotin, (one of the B vita) has also helped. It
talks about the different type of antihistamines, steroid treatments,
etc. Anyway for all those itchy cats out there, here's the article: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1332articleid=505
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Patches does this from anxiety. it is not an allergy with her,
it is anxiety. But she does not do it anymore, because I put compounded
transdermal benadryl in her ears twice a day. If I stop doing that,
because I run out or something, she picks right up and starts at her
belly and legs again. But if she gets it twice a day, the hair all
grows back and she doesn't do it. The benadryl just takes the edge off,
I guess.

Even though benadryl is not a prescription, you need your vet to
call in a prescription to a compounding pharmacy to get it compounded
to transdermal. Don't use the benadryl cream from the drug store-- that
is topical cream, not transdermal.

<>Michelle

Re: OT - Itchy cats antihistamine and other treatments





Nina, Patches actually doesn't itch. It's anxiety, a compulsive 
habit, rather than due to itching. The benadryl is given in a very small dose, 
transdermally in her ears, as an anti-anxiety drug rather than as an 
antihistimine. She sometimes licks anyway (I haven't seen her do it in a long 
time, but looking at her right now I see that the hair on her belly is shorter 
than elsewhere), but it makes a huge difference. Her anxiety predates 
Lucy-- she was anxious when she came to me. She had a huge scar on her cheek 
(now covered with fur), some broken teeth, and other signs of having been 
attacked or abused. She used to attack me whenever I made a loud noise 
like yelling at Simon when he did something particularly naughty. The 
benadryl calms her in general, though she does not seem tranquilized or 
anything. Has actually started playing recently, for the first time. Poor 
baby. She had a bad childhood on the street. But a little benadryl has 
worked better for her than 30 years of therapy does for some humans! :)

Michelle

In a message dated 7/5/2006 6:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  Michelle,I had been avoiding using antihistamine for Starman's itching 
  because, well, mostly because I hate to medicate period. Have you heard 
  anything detrimental about long term use in controlling Patches' itching with 
  it? I was looking for information about possible side effects, long or 
  short term and found this page on treatments for allergies sponsored by Drs. 
  Foster  Smith. I know you said Patches chews on herself because of 
  anxiety, (tell Lucy to stop pouncing on her!), but thought you might find it 
  interesting and helpful. I didn't know that Omega 3 was specifically 
  beneficial for itching, and that biotin, (one of the B vita) has also 
  helped. It talks about the different type of antihistamines, steroid 
  treatments, etc. Anyway for all those itchy cats out there, here's the 
  article: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1332articleid=505Nina

To Michelle

2006-07-05 Thread wendy

Hi Michelle,

I have been out of town for several days and am just
now catching up on my email.  I am sorry you are
having a scare with Lucy, but it sounds like things
are going a lot better since last week.  I hope she
continues to improve.  Please let us know what the vet
says tomorrow.  Prayers going out for her.

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I found two very small, very hard bowels in
 the litter box just now.  I 
 can't be sure it's Lucy and not Patches, but I think
 it probably was. it 
 would  make sense of why she has had very small
 amounts of liquid stool very far 
 apart,  as that can happen with constipation. She
 has not gotten much fiber in 
 the last  few days as she has been eating mainly
 broiled turkey. If it was 
 her, I will  feel much better, as it will mean the
 diarrhea has stopped. Since 
 the weight  loss, appetite loss, and nausea also
 seem to have abated, if the 
 diarrhea has  abated as well I will be relieved. It
 still would not be certain 
 she does not  have lymphoma, as she is on a lot of
 pred and that can control 
 lymphoma for a  while as well, but I think probably
 it would indicate more a 
 flare-up of her  IBD. Maybe from the pine litter, I
 don't know. Anyway, I will be 
 crossing my  fingers. If anyone has the energy to
 say a little prayer for her, 
 I would  appreciate it. 
 Thanks,
 Michelle
 


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Re: OT - Itchy cats antihistamine and other treatments

Sweet little girl.  I'm so glad you found each other.  Don't you just 
wish we could coo and stroke their anxieties away?  So I take it that 
you haven't found any cause for concern with ongoing dosing?  You've got 
me thinking...  My main man cat, Instigator, has been anxious and 
concerned about Spencer's arrival at the house.  Spence is socially 
retarded and just doesn't have any cat etiquette.  I really think he's 
just trying to initiate play with Instigator, but Insty is having none 
of it, has stopped socializing altogether and is constantly looking over 
his shoulder.  I'm going to try the fe first, but may give him a .5 
Chlor tab as well.  Hell, how about a round for all of us!

N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nina, Patches actually doesn't itch.  It's anxiety, a compulsive 
habit, rather than due to itching. The benadryl is given in a very 
small dose, transdermally in her ears, as an anti-anxiety drug rather 
than as an antihistimine. She sometimes licks anyway (I haven't seen 
her do it in a long time, but looking at her right now I see that the 
hair on her belly is shorter than elsewhere), but it makes a huge 
difference.  Her anxiety predates Lucy-- she was anxious when she came 
to me. She had a huge scar on her cheek (now covered with fur), some 
broken teeth, and other signs of having been attacked or abused.  She 
used to attack me whenever I made a loud noise like yelling at Simon 
when he did something particularly naughty.  The benadryl calms her in 
general, though she does not seem tranquilized or anything. Has 
actually started playing recently, for the first time.  Poor baby. She 
had a bad childhood on the street.  But a little benadryl has worked 
better for her than 30 years of therapy does for some humans! :)
 
Michelle

Re: Hannibal departed to his new wonderful life... - thank you for all your prayers.

2006-07-05 Thread catatonya

Hideyo,I am so sorry for your loss. I lost my first kitty ever to CRF. It's hard.tonyaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, I first wanted to thank you all for all the prayers and encouragement and
support for Hannibal a little less than 24 hours ago, he passed away he stopped breathing in my arms.. I wish he was at home but unfortunately we were at the vet and he was getting IV fluid I was with him the whole time..I really did not expect him to cross the bridge yesterday.. I just wanted to make him feel better and I thought that IV would have helped him.. and now I think about it, I am so sure that putting him on IV did shorten his life after all.. as always,, I have so many regrets for things I wish I had done, I had known.. or I wish I had not done.. if I had known as much as I do now.. I would have made Hannibals life so much better and longer..I am so sorry for Hannibal not knowing any better but I hope I can
contribute my learning experience to any other kitties out there who are fighting against CRF Hannibal was and is such a fighter.. he was the very first feral I rescued in U.S. and I have known him over 10 years I feel so fortunate to have met him and feel honored to have met and feel privileged to have had the opportunity to take care of him.. I wish I had done a better job, Hannibal and I am so sorry that I did not pay attention well enough and took your sight way.. I know it was struggle for you but one thing for sure.. I have loved him so very much.. I loved him like there is no tomorrow.and I always will We celebrated his departure to his new life with all other kitties last night.. we all miss him.. I am so very much going to miss holding him.. and seeing places that I used to see.. but I also know that his soul will continue to live with me.. and is still aroundI am still feeling numb and shock.. but I wanted to thank everyone for all the prayers.I also wanted to thank Helen and her website on CRF support ---I have learned so much from I know for sure that without the information,, I couldnt have taken care of him as well as I did.Hideyo and Hannibal, my little precious hero

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Does chlortrimiteton have tranquilizing effects like Benadryl? I know 
Benadryl makes me sleepy, and I figured that is why it works for patches, though 
it does not make her sleepy.

I have not seen or heard of any bad effects. Did you read something 
specific about it?

Michelle

In a message dated 7/5/2006 7:34:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sweet 
  little girl. I'm so glad you found each other. Don't you just 
  wish we could coo and stroke their anxieties away? So I take it that 
  you haven't found any cause for concern with ongoing dosing? You've 
  got me thinking... My main man cat, Instigator, has been anxious and 
  concerned about Spencer's arrival at the house. Spence is socially 
  retarded and just doesn't have any cat etiquette. I really think 
  he's just trying to initiate play with Instigator, but Insty is having 
  none of it, has stopped socializing altogether and is constantly looking 
  over his shoulder. I'm going to try the fe first, but may give him a 
  .5 Chlor tab as well. Hell, how about a round for all of 
  us!N

Re: Chicken Crumbles

Title: Message



Has any one found a way to keep weevils out of the 
Swheat Scoop? I really like it but the insects drove me crazy (not to 
mention my cats). So many of you seem to use it I just have to 
ask.






 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:55 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Chicken Crumbles
  
  
  Its so frustrating.. 
  because you know that the cost of corn and wheat litter are so cheap.. they 
  just mark up to make money.. I seriously considered contacting farmers in 
  south with big corn fields if they can some left over of their stuff so that I 
  can use as litter for my cats..
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:54 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Chicken 
  Crumbles
  
  Thanks Joan. It sure would be nice to find 
  convenient, safe, environmentally friendly, and inexpensive products. I 
  hadn't thought about it, but I guess it's rare to find all four in a product 
  of any kind. Maybe white vinegar!NinaDoljan, Joan 
  wrote:
  
  I used it, but I had 
  been using World's Best before then. It is lots cheaper, but I found it 
  tracked too much and did not hold up as well as World's Best. Even though, 
  World's Best costs a bit more, I found with the Chicken Crumbles,I was 
  always mopping and dumping I switched back to World's Best. 
  
  
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:20 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay 
Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
Sally says it does. Not as well as clumping 
litter, but enough to make scooping urine possible. She says it stays 
cleaner than regular clay litter too. I'm going to try it. You 
might want to consider trying it since it costs so much less. Did you 
read Kat's warning to be sure the chicken feed crumbles don't contain 
abx?NinaHideyo Yamamoto 
wrote:
Does 
corn chicken feed clump?
  
  

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Re: OT - Itchy cats antihistamine and other treatments

Have you considered a holistic vet? Mine used laser on some scars
Dixie Louise has and it really seems to have helped. Rescue Remedy and
other flower essences have also worked. Guess I am looking for a cure
instead of a patch. The little ones from the streets need so much and are
so wonderful..

If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with their fellow
man.
St. Francis

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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:09
PM
Subject: Re: OT - Itchy cats
antihistamine and other treatments

Nina, Patches actually doesn't itch. It's anxiety, a compulsive
habit, rather than due to itching. The benadryl is given in a very small dose,
transdermally in her ears, as an anti-anxiety drug rather than as an
antihistimine. She sometimes licks anyway (I haven't seen her do it in a long
time, but looking at her right now I see that the hair on her belly is shorter
than elsewhere), but it makes a huge difference. Her anxiety predates
Lucy-- she was anxious when she came to me. She had a huge scar on her cheek
(now covered with fur), some broken teeth, and other signs of having been
attacked or abused. She used to attack me whenever I made a loud noise
like yelling at Simon when he did something particularly naughty. The
benadryl calms her in general, though she does not seem tranquilized or
anything. Has actually started playing recently, for the first time.
Poor baby. She had a bad childhood on the street. But a little benadryl
has worked better for her than 30 years of therapy does for some humans!
:)

Michelle

In a message dated 7/5/2006 6:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
Michelle,I had been avoiding using antihistamine for Starman's itching
because, well, mostly because I hate to medicate period. Have you
heard anything detrimental about long term use in controlling Patches'
itching with it? I was looking for information about possible side
effects, long or short term and found this page on treatments for allergies
sponsored by Drs. Foster Smith. I know you said Patches chews on
herself because of anxiety, (tell Lucy to stop pouncing on her!), but
thought you might find it interesting and helpful. I didn't know that
Omega 3 was specifically beneficial for itching, and that biotin, (one of
the B vita) has also helped. It talks about the different type of
antihistamines, steroid treatments, etc. Anyway for all those itchy
cats out there, here's the article: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1332articleid=505Nina

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Re: OT - Itchy cats antihistamine and other treatments

My holistic vet is concerned that antihistamines have been linked to
cancer..we were talking about an entirely different topic. Dixie was
scratching for totally unknown reasons and was about as raw as she could
get. We were using chlortrimiton to break the cycle of scratch, itch,
scratch some more etc.(My regular vet recommended that over the
benadryl.) Having one cat with cancer I took the holistic vet's words to
heartuse it sparingly. I have to talk to her more about it but I am
careful nowwith the cats and with myself.

If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with their fellow
man.
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:12
PM
Subject: Re: OT - Itchy cats
antihistamine and other treatments

Does chlortrimiteton have tranquilizing effects like Benadryl? I know
Benadryl makes me sleepy, and I figured that is why it works for patches,
though it does not make her sleepy.

I have not seen or heard of any bad effects. Did you read something
specific about it?

Michelle

In a message dated 7/5/2006 7:34:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sweet
little girl. I'm so glad you found each other. Don't you just
wish we could coo and stroke their anxieties away? So I take it
that you haven't found any cause for concern with ongoing dosing?
You've got me thinking... My main man cat, Instigator, has been
anxious and concerned about Spencer's arrival at the house. Spence
is socially retarded and just doesn't have any cat etiquette. I
really think he's just trying to initiate play with Instigator, but
Insty is having none of it, has stopped socializing altogether and is
constantly looking over his shoulder. I'm going to try the fe
first, but may give him a .5 Chlor tab as well. Hell, how about a
round for all of us!N

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Maybe I am blind.. I am not seeing any
weevils are the insects in the bag?











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
6:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Chicken Crumbles







Has any one found a way to keep
weevils out of the Swheat Scoop? I really like it but the insects drove
me crazy (not to mention my cats). So many of you seem to use it I just
have to ask.










































If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 

will deal likewise with their fellow man.

St. Francis







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From: Hideyo Yamamoto 





To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 





Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:55 PM





Subject: RE: Chicken Crumbles









Its so frustrating.. because you
know that the cost of corn and wheat litter are so cheap.. they just mark up to
make money.. I seriously considered contacting farmers in south with big corn
fields if they can some left over of their stuff so that I can use as litter
for my cats..











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
2:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Chicken Crumbles





Thanks Joan. It
sure would be nice to find convenient, safe, environmentally friendly, and
inexpensive products. I hadn't thought about it, but I guess it's rare to
find all four in a product of any kind. Maybe white vinegar!
Nina

Doljan, Joan wrote:



I used it, but I had been using World's
Best before then. It is lots cheaper, but I found it tracked too much and did
not hold up as well as World's Best. Even though, World's Best costs a bit
more, I found with the Chicken Crumbles,I was always mopping and
dumping I switched back to World's Best. 





-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
4:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Check out Clumping
Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health

Sally says it does.
Not as well as clumping litter, but enough to make scooping urine
possible. She says it stays cleaner than regular clay litter too.
I'm going to try it. You might want to consider trying it since it costs
so much less. Did you read Kat's warning to be sure the chicken feed
crumbles don't contain abx?
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Does corn
chicken feed clump?









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I opened several boxes at my home and they were 
full of the little dudes. The company assured me they did not leave the 
factory that way but they sure did come to my home with them. I don't know 
if they were infested at the stores (multiple) I bought the boxes at or 
what.I was able to use the product in my city home successfully 
(that is why I loved it) but when I moved to the country I could not use 
it. I am asking if anyone has had the problem and overcome it. 
I am not putting it down, just looking for information so I can use it 
again. 




 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:27 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Chicken Crumbles
  
  
  Maybe I am blind.. I 
  am not seeing any weevils are the insects in the 
  bag?
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarylynSent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:25 
  PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Chicken 
  Crumbles
  
  
  Has any one 
  found a way to keep weevils out of the Swheat Scoop? I really like it 
  but the insects drove me crazy (not to mention my cats). So many of you 
  seem to use it I just have to ask.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
  creatures 
  from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   
  will deal likewise with their fellow 
  man. 
  St. Francis
  

- 
Original Message - 

From: Hideyo Yamamoto 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Sent: Wednesday, 
July 05, 2006 3:55 PM

Subject: RE: Chicken 
Crumbles


Its so 
frustrating.. because you know that the cost of corn and wheat litter are so 
cheap.. they just mark up to make money.. I seriously considered contacting 
farmers in south with big corn fields if they can some left over of their 
stuff so that I can use as litter for my cats..





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:54 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Chicken 
Crumbles

Thanks Joan. It sure 
would be nice to find convenient, safe, environmentally friendly, and 
inexpensive products. I hadn't thought about it, but I guess it's rare 
to find all four in a product of any kind. Maybe white 
vinegar!NinaDoljan, Joan wrote:

I used it, but I 
had been using World's Best before then. It is lots cheaper, but I found it 
tracked too much and did not hold up as well as World's Best. Even though, 
World's Best costs a bit more, I found with the Chicken Crumbles,I was 
always mopping and dumping I switched back to World's Best. 

-Original 
  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  On Behalf Of 
  NinaSent: 
  Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:20 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay 
  Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
  Sally says it does. Not as well as clumping 
  litter, but enough to make scooping urine possible. She says it 
  stays cleaner than regular clay litter too. I'm going to try 
  it. You might want to consider trying it since it costs so much 
  less. Did you read Kat's warning to be sure the chicken feed 
  crumbles don't contain abx?NinaHideyo Yamamoto 
  wrote:
  Does 
  corn chicken feed clump?



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Re: OT - Itchy cats antihistamine and other treatments





The scar is not noticeable under her fur, and I don't think it bothers her 
at all. The benadryl and felliway seem to work well for her. I am so used to 
using both of them that it does not seem like a big deal, and I have never 
thought that low dose benadryl is a problem. Do you think it is for some reason? 
If it's not, I tend to want to leave well enough alone and not stress her, or 
myself, with new vets.

The funny thing is that when the vet first prescribed the benadryl, years 
ago, he told me to buy the pills from the drug store and pill her (I think it 
was 1/6 of a pill or something like that). But she is incredibly hard to 
pill, so I would have to chase her around twice a day and grab her and pill her, 
getting bitten, and she would foam at the mouth and hyperventilate. After a few 
days of this, it dawned on me that this was probably not helping her anxiety! So 
i asked for it to be compounded. She still runs when she sees I have the cream, 
but is easy to catch and is fine when I rub it in her ear. 

The vet who prescribed it had said that some cats, after getting it for a 
few months and stopping the habit of pulling their fur out, just get over it 
entirely even if the benadryl is stopped. That has not happened yet with 
Patches, and it has been almost 4 years!

Michelle

In a message dated 7/5/2006 8:29:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have you 
  considered a holistic vet? Mine used laser on some scars Dixie Louise 
  has and it really seems to have helped. Rescue Remedy and other flower 
  essences have also worked. Guess I am looking for a cure instead of a 
  patch. The little ones from the streets need so much and are so 
  wonderful..

Re: OT - Itchy cats antihistamine and other treatments





the side effects lists for both of these are kind of scary. It's odd. I 
almost always do side effects research before starting them on anything, but it 
never even occurred to me to research the benadryl.

She is on a very small dosage (I think it's equivalent to 1/6 of the 
smallest over the counter pill, twice a day), transdermally. At this point 
I think I am more afraid to stop it than continue it, as it makes her so much 
calmer and happier. She gets really agitated when not on it. When Simon was 
alive, if I skipped a few doses, because I ran out or something, she would start 
hitting him on the head. He was always happy when I refilled her 
prescription!

Michelle

In a message dated 7/5/2006 8:30:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes it 
  does. I haven't read anything about long term side effects, I was just 
  researching to be sure. Here's a link about chlor from that same article 
  I posted earlier:Chlorpheniramine is an 
  antihistamine used to control itching in animals with allergies. It may also 
  be used as a mild sedative. May see vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, or 
  inability to urinate when used at higher doses. Do NOT use products in which 
  chlorpheniramine is combined with other drugs or compounds such as caffeine or 
  acetaminophen.I've seen Diphenhydramine used in 
  sleep aid tablets, so I'm sure it does make one drowsy. Here's what they 
  have to say about Diphenhydramine, (the ingredient in 
  Benadryl):
  
  Diphenhydramine is an antihistamine. It is used for the 
  treatment of allergies and atopy, primarily to stop itching. (Atopy is an 
  allergy to something that is inhaled, such as pollen or house dust; also 
  called 'inhalant allergy.') It may also be used to control vomiting and motion 
  sickness, as a mild sedative, and to treat muscle tremors due to certain 
  toxins or medications. Contact your veterinarian if your pet experiences 
  sleepiness, agitation, a rapid heart beat, depressed respiration, an inability 
  to urinate, vomiting, diarrhea, or loss of appetite while being treated with 
  diphenhydramine.

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