Re: just need to vent about my feral feluk
The Royal Princess Kitty Katt was feral and lived with my parents as a house cat for about 10 years. Then she had to live with me. She had known me all the time she lived with my parents. She moved to a home with natural gas forced air he/ac from one with electric everything. From the country to the city where the mailman came to the door every day. So many different sights and sounds and such trauma. I slept on the floor in the room she hid in for about 3 months until she decided to come out. Feliway helped a lot and I went thru several bottles. I put it on myself and everywhere she was. I made sure she knew who was bringing her food etc. I had an animal communicator talk to her several times too. The objective was to make me smaller to her--we are giants you know. You might try leaving something with your odor near where she is too. Just so she will get used to it. Try fried chicken for special food for her...leave off the skins. The ferals I know have to learn to like fish. It is not a natural food for them but BIRD sure is. And small pieces not hunks. She'll have to come out a bit more. Put a litter box near the hole too and keep it very clean with unscented litter. Ferals are very clean animals. Try a Rubbermaid box (cheaper, bigger) but don't spray it with Feliway. (Feliway is used with spray/accident problems too--not on litter boxes where you want them to go). Make sure there is water (try bottled, tap water with the chemicals in it may smell bad to your new friend). Look at everything from her point of view. Especially size, noise, and smell. Provide a good hiding place outside the wall too. Leave something with the odor of the other cat near her hiding place too. Let the other one near the wall a lot. They may appear at odds but I have watched one cat encourage another to come for food, water and shelter. One feral at my mother's is named Trouble's Angel because she helps the cats that are dumped find the necessities of life. Let the two cats work this out. I know this is rambling but maybe you can find something in it you can use. There are sites for ferals on the web. You might try contacting Ally Cat Advocates for information too. They are TNR but some of the volunteers get hooked on an animal. It doesn't hurt to ask. The friendship of a feral is earned and is so rewarding. I could write books about the wonderful experiences with Ebony Thomas Katt and The Royal Princess Kitty Katt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: RE: just need to vent about my feral feluk Just s further word of encouragement: our (Wini)Fred, to whom I refer as our former quasi-feral, took months to tame down. She had been abandoned at a few months of age in a trailer park, and foraged all summer until a tender-hearted coworker of mine worried about her in the approaching cold weather, and trapped her. I was brand new at feral -- or hard stray as they say on the ferals list -- handling and did a lot of things wrong. But we finally got her in a small room by herself, where, as it happened, the doorknob was missing and there was a wide crack at the bottom of the door, so that she and the other cats could hear each other and even interact under the door. At first she kept crawling up into the framework of the decrepit 50s overstuffed chair we had in there, but we sat down in the room and read to her every night (100 Greatest Science Fiction Stories) or watched DVDs and talked. Eventually she would walk over us as we sat on the floor, or come up on the chair arm for treats or pets. It's been a few years and we still can't pick her up properly (though last night I quickly picked her up and set her down and she didn't freak) but she's very loving and leans against your neck with her solid little body from the back of the sofa, or sometimes if you're laying down she'll flop on your face. So once the two of you get past this hard bit and she's out of the wall, be patient and persevere, bribe her with food and do the slow blink thing. It's very gratifying when they bond with you, and you've saved another starfish. ;-) Diane R. bless you for giving this little one a home, even if she's not quite ready to accept it! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006
Re: Dempsey Please add to CLS
It is not silly at all. Bless you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Dempsey Please add to CLS Sweet handsome gray tiger with such beautiful green eyes is now with so many other angels that have lost the battle with felv.It has been a sad week for many of us.One thing that comforts me is that I know Maizee is not alone on the other side of the bridge,I hope all the babies that I love and care for can pass on loving memories to her and she can to them. I know it sounds silly but it is my comfort.Bless you all Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 8/7/2006
Re: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon...
I am so sorry that you lost your baby Peter. It isn't fair that you have to go through this just after losing Naomi. Please don't feel bad about bringing him home with you. You gave him all of your love and you gave him a home of his own. Cindy Reasoner --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, thank you very much for your prayers for Peter - Peter has crossed the bridge on the way to a peaceful land this afternoon about two hours ago - it happened so quickly and was so unexpected and I am still in shock.. though my eyes are very exhausted from crying so much... I just can't believe how quickly he passed away... and I just numb not feeling much One week ago, I lost my baby Naomi... and then I lost Peter.. my words cannot express how empty I feel and how badly I feel right now.. but I know that their souls continue to live and they will be in my heart eternallyHere's to my baby Peter.. Dear My Peter, Peter, you are the most beautiful baby I have met in both soul and body.. I am so grateful of the opportunity to have met you.. I wish I could have spent more time with you.. When I met you and brought you home from Arno street in February, you were so talkative and full of energy... I cannot help thinking that your life would have been much longer if I did not bring you home because I know in my heart that you got something that made you very sick from my other kitties at home.. I so badly wanted to fight with you against whatever illness that you were fighting against.. and I am so sorry that I couldn't make it go away... Peter, I know you have already forgiven things as you have heart of angel... I treasure the memory that I have had with you forever,, Peter, I am so sorry that you had to go so soon.. you are only a little over a year old.. I am going to miss you so much,, but the thought of your soul continue to live gives me a courage to continue to live.. love so dearly and love forever,, Your mama.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Dempsey Please add to CLS
i can guarantee you that all the FeLVs i bade goodbye to at our sanctuary are all there waiting to greet your friends, and just imagine what our arrival at the bridge will be like--we're gonna be MOBBED when we get there! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon...
Hideyo,I'm so sorry! I can't imagine what it must be like to lose two so close together!!! But know in your heart of hearts that Peter's life with you was far better than it would've been if he'd been left on the street!! You did your best to help him fight it off...but it must have been his time to go. But his spirit is still with you.I am praying for comfort for you and peaceful crossing (and happy reunion with Naomi) for Peter.MJHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, thank you very much for your prayers for Peter Peter has crossed the bridge on the way to a peaceful land this afternoon about two hours ago it happened so quickly and was so unexpected and I am still in shock.. though my eyes are very exhausted from crying so much I just cant believe how quickly he passed away and I just numb not feeling muchOne week ago, I lost my baby Naomi and then I lost Peter.. my words cannot express how empty I feel and how badly I feel right now.. but I know that their souls continue to live and they will be in my heart eternally .Heres to my baby Peter..Dear My Peter,Peter, you are the most beautiful baby I have met in both soul and body.. I am so grateful of the opportunity to have met you.. I wish I could have spent more time with you.. When I met you and brought you home from Arno street in February, you were so talkative and full of energy I cannot help thinking that your life would have been much longer if I did not bring you home because I know in my heart that you got something that made you very sick from my other kitties at home.. I so badly wanted to fight with you against whatever illness that you were fighting against.. and I am so sorry that I couldnt make it go away Peter, I know you have already forgiven things as you have heart of angel I treasure the memory that I have had with you forever,, Peter, I am so sorry that you had to go so soon.. you are only a little over a year old.. I am going to miss you so much,, but the thought of your soul continue to live gives me a courage to continue to live.. love so dearly and love forever,,Your mama.. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Kiko and Mickey
So sorry to hear about Kiko and Mickey! I can't imagine losing two at once!! I'm praying for comfort for you and peaceful crossings for them (at least they'll have each other). Know that they love you, they were blessed to be with you, and their spirits are still with you.Hugs!MJ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon...
Hideyo, I'm so sorry for both of your losses, you are in my thoughts and prayersRoxaneHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, thank you very much for your prayers for Peter Peter has crossed the bridge on the way to a peaceful land this afternoon about two hours ago it happened so quickly and was so unexpected and I am still in shock.. though my eyes are very exhausted from crying so much I just cant believe how quickly he passed away and I just numb not feeling much Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
RE: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon...
Title: Message I'm so sorry to hear of your losses---firstKiko, then your dog Mickey. That is truly heart-breaking. Please know I'm thinking of you. I'm glad they at least had you to love and care for them, and passed away knowing they were so loved. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:07 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon... Dear Hideyo, so sorry for your losses. I too lost my cat today to feline leukemia, it was hard for kiko to breathe anymore, unfortunately we had to put him down. Also, my poor mickey oldest dog passed away yesterday at home in his sleep at the age of 13. It has been a horrible week, the worst I have had in a long time. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Dempsey Please add to CLS
Sherry,So sorry to hear your sad news! There has been a lot of that this week! :(Maizee knew how much you loved her. Bless you! Peaceful crossing to Maizee and comfort and hugs for you!!!MJSherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet handsome gray tiger with such beautiful green eyes is now with so many other angels that have lost the battle with felv.It has been a sad week for many of us.One thing that comforts me is that I know Maizee is not alone on the other side of the bridge,I hope all the babies that I love and care for can pass on loving memories to her and she can to them. I know it sounds silly but it is my comfort.Bless you all Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
RE: Dempsey Please add to CLS
Title: Message I'm so sorry Sherry about Dempsey. So many losses for you--I'm so so sorry. I'm glad youare able todraw some comfort in the midst of all your sorrow. Hang on to it. hugs, kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaanSent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:40 PMTo: FelvtalkSubject: Dempsey Please add to CLSSweet handsome gray tiger with such beautiful green eyes is now with so many other angels that have lost the battle with felv.It has been a sad week for many of us.One thing that comforts me is that I know Maizee is not alone on the other side of the bridge,I hope all the babies that I love and care for can pass on loving memories to her and she can to them. I know it sounds silly but it is my comfort.Bless you all Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon...
Title: Message I agree, Hideyo, it's a blessing you could be with them all, and yes, I know how much it must hurt to not actually have held Peter. (That's why I was so upset about Pookie being euthanised without them telling me when I was right there.) But you know, it seems like he waited for you to go to go downstairs. He knew you loved him, and although he needed to leave, maybe he felt he couldn't do so while you were right there. big hugs, Kerry (PS: It's not an issue any more, but hope you got my email of yesterday anyway, re my further suggestion-- mefedexing the interferon from london) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:55 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon... Thank you, Kerry, and thank you for considering asking your sister to receive interferon in UK for me.. actually our Nina shipped it for me (and I am going to return it to her once I get the shipment from UK) and Peter and I received it this morning.. we were able to give his first shot this morning and I was so praying that it would create a miracle.. but I think Peter felt that he will feel much better if he can get out of his little body for now The best blessing I have, is.. and this has been true for all the kitties I have lost.. they always wait for me to cross the bridge and they have crossed the bridge on their own without much too long of suffering Naomi was walking around still on the same day she passed (though she did have a difficult time breathing towards the end, and so did Peter and Hannibal, Garfunkle, and George and Peter was not too sick (as far as I could tell),,, until last nightbut anyway, I have been able to be always there if not right besides me when they make transition..(I was not able to be with Peter right besides him.. he passed away when I went downstairs to make a call, which I regret it so much..).. and I am grateful of the gift.. and it means so much to me..but, it still hurts not to be able to hold him From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon... Oh Hideyo, I can't believe you've lost sweet Peter now too. I am so sorry to hear this sad and shocking news. You are going thru so much. It seems so unfair---it is so unfair--that you do so much and you have so much grief. Bless you for everything you do for the little souls who have no one else to turn to. I really am so sorry. Your tribute is beautiful. You are the best, you truly are. much love and big hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon... Hi, everyone, thank you very much for your prayers for Peter Peter has crossed the bridge on the way to a peaceful land this afternoon about two hours ago it happened so quickly and was so unexpected and I am still in shock.. though my eyes are very exhausted from crying so much I just cant believe how quickly he passed away and I just numb not feeling much One week ago, I lost my baby Naomi and then I lost Peter.. my words cannot express how empty I feel and how badly I feel right now.. but I know that their souls continue to live and they will be in my heart eternally.Heres to my baby Peter.. Dear My Peter, Peter, you are the most beautiful baby I have met in both soul and body.. I am so grateful of the opportunity to have met you.. I wish I could have spent more time with you.. When I met you and brought you home from Arno street in February, you were so talkative and full of energy I cannot help thinking that your life would have been much longer if I did not bring you home because I know in my heart that you got something that made you very sick from my other kitties at home.. I so badly wanted to fight with you against whatever illness that you were fighting against.. and I am so sorry that I couldnt make it go away Peter, I know you have already forgiven things as you have heart of angel I treasure the memory that I have had with you forever,, Peter, I am so sorry that you had to go so soon.. you are only a little over a year old.. I am going to miss you so much,, but the thought of your soul continue to live gives me a courage to continue to live.. love so dearly and love forever,, Your mama.. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any
Re: just need to vent about my feral feluk
Hi Jeni, First of all, stop apologizing for your situation not being as grave as some others on the list. Everything is relative and your problems will certainly do! Try to calm yourself about what may or may not happen behind that wall. You've gotten some good advice so far, and you know that the poor thing, (what's the black kitty's name?), is not on the street at least. Think of that wall as her choice of safe confinement. Try not to worry about what trouble she might get into. She's a resourceful street cat that has kept herself alive so far by being smart and savvy. I doubt she'll be chewing on wires and if you do have rats, they'll probably give her a wide berth! Can you close the door to the room with the hole in it so she's secured in that area? Keep water near the hole, spend as much time in there as you can. Speak softly and calmly to her, treat the situation the same way you would if she were locked in the bathroom. When you put new food down, call to her and tell her it's dinner time. Don't leave dry there all the time, she'll be more likely to show herself if you feed her some yummy wet food at the same times each day. At first, leave the room immediately, come back and check to see how long it takes for her to come out and eat the food. Tell her what a good, brave girl she is and how smart she is to know you are her friend. She should start coming quicker and quicker to eat the food. When she does, start to step back and crouch against a far wall, if she pokes her head out, don't look at her, or speak to her until she goes back in. Let her get used to your presence as a good thing. You've got a feral colony of one holed up in your wall! Don't expect her to start to trust you any time soon. Do spray everything with Feliway, put a drop or two of Rescue Remedy in her water and resolve yourself to be patient. Can you put a cat tree next to the hole, or, was there something that she used to sleep in that she felt safe in when she was loose in your house? If you can spend time in there at night, lying very still, or even taking a nap with all the lights out, she might come out to investigate. If she does, hold still and breath normally. Stop worrying about how this will resolve itself, it will, you just don't know when! Good luck sweetie, let us know how it's going, Nina JENI RECA wrote: sorry, I just need to vent about the frustration I am going through right now with the feral feluk living in my house...I know I don't have as big as problems as everyone else, but I know some of you can sympathize with me...so the story is after our beloved papoose died of feluk, I was approached at work by the head of the HR department at my shelter and she asked me if I could take in a feluk she trapped and spayed and was going to release until they found out she was feluk. I said yes, because our feluk Hillman Waller was lonely after papoose passed on and well I was lonely too with only one cat and the three dogs in the house and I wanted to help other feluks. My husband was not too happy at all, didnt really like the idea another cat, he didnt even want papoose (but fell head over heels in love with him). So i took home this very feral black female about 5 years old feluk postive. We have had her for about 3 months and I have not gotten to touch her once, I am okay with that, but it hurts not to be able to pet her and show her I like her. She first lived in a play cage but was more freaked out about being in it and attacked me anytime I went to change the litter or feed her, I let her loose in the house. She had hiding spaces and that was fine, I checked up on her and made sure she ate, but now she has gotten into the wall of the duplex we live in. The basement was refinished into a living space that we have and they put up new walls but there is a space between the new walls and the old and she got into the there by an opening that popped open without my knowlegde and now we cant get her out! I am so frustrated and upset that she is in the wall and that she isnt going to come out for me. most likely we will have to trap her but i just think she so unhappy it seams and I feel bad for her. she is so freaked out by our dogs and our other cat tries to get close to her but she doesnt really like him. he's lonely and she must be lonely, and i fell awful about her and now she is the wall and i wrote a really long story. i know i shouldnt complain i know people out here on the list have it a lot worst then me, I am just upset and worried because who knows what is in those walls and god forbid she eats something back there she shouldnt and chews on something back there she shouldn't and well rats, i hope i dont have rats, i live in a city...sorry for venting and thank you for listening...everyone is so good to each other on this list, it's nice to have jeni
Re: Kiko and Mickey
I'm sorry, I don't know your name, What a terrible time you've had losing two fur Angels. We all know it never gets easier and "being prepared" doesn't help the way you think it might either. It doesn't matter how long or short our time together is, we're never ready to say goodbye. My condolences on your losses. Would you like to tell us something about Kiko and Mickey? Sometimes it helps to talk about what made them special as a sort of tribute to the love we share. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too lost my cat today to feline leukemia, it was hard for kiko to breathe anymore, unfortunately we had to put him down. Also, my poor mickey oldest dog passed away yesterday at home in his sleep at the age of 13. It has been a horrible week, the worst I have had in a long time.
Re: just need to vent about my feral feluk
Hi Jeni, I just wanted to add - Instead of reading out loud to your wall kitty, if you know anything about chanting, try it. It also will help her get used to your voice, and can be very soothing at the same time. I also have a very feral black kitty, named Lenore (after the lady in Edgar Allen Poe's The Raven). I had her in a home made Kitty Kastle (roughly 6 foot by 6 foot by 2 feet wide with plenty of platforms) for about a year. She never tamed down and would just as soon rip my face off every time I tried to feed her/clean the litter/etc. I finally just bit the bullet and let her out to intermingle with the other cats. It took several months before she would even let me see her, but now she will sit there and stare me down when I enter the room. I still can't touch her, but she has established herself with the other cats and I will find her sleeping curled up with them alot. Just be patient. The other suggestions you've already gotten will help you too. And if you do use the Rescue Remedy in her water bowl, take some for yourself too! Please keep us posted. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, JENI RECA wrote: Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:43:58 + From: JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: just need to vent about my feral feluk sorry, I just need to vent about the frustration I am going through right now with the feral feluk living in my house...I know I don't have as big as problems as everyone else, but I know some of you can sympathize with me...so the story is after our beloved papoose died of feluk, I was approached at work by the head of the HR department at my shelter and she asked me if I could take in a feluk she trapped and spayed and was going to release until they found out she was feluk. I said yes, because our feluk Hillman Waller was lonely after papoose passed on and well I was lonely too with only one cat and the three dogs in the house and I wanted to help other feluks. My husband was not too happy at all, didnt really like the idea another cat, he didnt even want papoose (but fell head over heels in love with him). So i took home this very feral black female about 5 years old feluk postive. We have had her for about 3 months and I have not gotten to touch her once, I am okay with that, but it hurts not to be able to pet her and show her I like her. She first lived in a play cage but was more freaked out about being in it and attacked me anytime I went to change the litter or feed her, I let her loose in the house. She had hiding spaces and that was fine, I checked up on her and made sure she ate, but now she has gotten into the wall of the duplex we live in. The basement was refinished into a living space that we have and they put up new walls but there is a space between the new walls and the old and she got into the there by an opening that popped open without my knowlegde and now we cant get her out! I am so frustrated and upset that she is in the wall and that she isnt going to come out for me. most likely we will have to trap her but i just think she so unhappy it seams and I feel bad for her. she is so freaked out by our dogs and our other cat tries to get close to her but she doesnt really like him. he's lonely and she must be lonely, and i fell awful about her and now she is the wall and i wrote a really long story. i know i shouldnt complain i know people out here on the list have it a lot worst then me, I am just upset and worried because who knows what is in those walls and god forbid she eats something back there she shouldnt and chews on something back there she shouldn't and well rats, i hope i dont have rats, i live in a city...sorry for venting and thank you for listening...everyone is so good to each other on this list, it's nice to have jeni
As always, Patches
My housemate Gail and I are at our wits' end. He just will not eat. We have tried every combination of approaches we possibly can with every combination of food that we can. We gave him the liver shake on Saturday and he wolfed it down, and the next meal he refused it but ate some regular canned food and some crunchies, and then after that, nothing. We syringed him with the liver stuff a couple times, and then A/D, offering them in a bowl first, or offering tuna food or tuna juice, and still he barely sniffs at things. He has taken a couple of treats, but no longer jumps eagerly into our laps for them. Gail works first shift and I work 8-4:30 in another town, so the only time we are at home together is about 4 hours at night. Feeding him is definitely a two-person job, so except for weekends and days like this (I'm home sick) we've got to cram a day's worth of food into that little time. When our Luc wouldn't eat, we had him intubated so that one person could feed him a few times a day, but that nearly broke our bank and we can't afford to do that for this little guy. What kills me is he doesn't like us too much any more, because of necessity, every time we go into his room it's to do something bad to him. And I keep thinking about what somebody said here about cats not understanding "future", it's all "now", and all his "nows" really suck. I really wish I knew why he came to us -- to be saved, or to have a comfortable and loving place to pass. I could live with it, if it's the latter, but if it is, he must feel like he's in Hell. Plus, today I have a sore throat and the beginnings of a cold, and I'm worried about making him worse. It's sort of moot because Gail can't feed him alone, but it's just another thing to obsess about. Sorry this is so gloomy, but this is really wearing us all down. In case anybody has some words of wisdom: His eyes are still somewhat runny, though not as bad as before. Vet had us discontinue the eyedrops, and she supplemented the last few Orbax with Clavamox twice a day (at least he's easy to pill alone). (We were at the vet's on Saturday, right after he seemed to be starting to eat again.) He seems to keep down the great majority of what we feed him. At least once per feeding his little tongue comes out and it looks like he's going to hurl, but then he burps and is okay. We have crunchies available all the time, no inroads into them for days, same with water, although there's considerable water in the A/D when we syringe it. His poop is runny, understandably. I would be most grateful if anybody has some fresh ideas. :-) Diane R. ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ ="Nice kitty!" -- Prof. Radcliffe Emerson The Snake, the Crocodile and the Dog^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ =
Re: Kiko and Mickey
Hi nina, my name is lori. I just lost my two precious angels. Kiko was a big whitecat, very loveable just like an angel. He would have to hug you when he slept nextto you. I rememberwhen I would be sitting at my computer, he would come behind me and hug me, he would wrap his arms around my neck and kiss me.YesterdayI had to decide with my vets advice, whether Ihad to do the unthinkable. Hesaid he wasalready suffering, I told him Iloved him and asked my friend the vet assistant if she could be there for him to comfort him and she was. I could not handle it when I was there. Mickey was our beloved miniature schnauzer, hewas the bravest little man you would ever see. He was comical,the cats and mickey would wrestle all the time.His favorite in the family was my mom, I know he loved us all but mymom was his love. He would let out a big cry when hewould hear my mom arrive home.I miss them so much. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Kiko and Mickey I'm sorry, I don't know your name, What a terrible time you've had losing two fur Angels. We all know it never gets easier and "being prepared" doesn't help the way you think it might either. It doesn't matter how long or short our time together is, we're never ready to say goodbye. My condolences on your losses. Would you like to tell us something about Kiko and Mickey? Sometimes it helps to talk about what made them special as a sort of tribute to the love we share. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too lost my cat today to feline leukemia, it was hard for kiko to breathe anymore, unfortunately we had to put him down. Also, my poor mickey oldest dog passed away yesterday at home in his sleep at the age of 13. It has been a horrible week, the worst I have had in a long time. Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
RE: As always, Patches
Title: Message Totally sympathise, Diane, I went through that with Levi and Caramel at different times. Buying all sorts of things to try to get them to eat. Making chicken broth, and warming it to lukewarm tempfor them. That worked for a bit. They lapped it up for a day or two. Deli meats worked for a couple of days; asdid liver shake, and sour cream. (I discovered a little later that Levi had developed mouth ulcers, which I figure explained why the sour cream felt better.) It did get to the point where they just didn't want anything I gave them, and I was so scared of them starving to death that that was when I took them to emergency. I'm sure others will jump in with ideas for Patches tho. Good luck, wish I could help more. hugs to you all, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane RosenfeldtSent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: As always, Patches My housemate Gail and I are at our wits' end. He just will not eat. We have tried every combination of approaches we possibly can with every combination of food that we can. We gave him the liver shake on Saturday and he wolfed it down, and the next meal he refused it but ate some regular canned food and some crunchies, and then after that, nothing. We syringed him with the liver stuff a couple times, and then A/D, offering them in a bowl first, or offering tuna food or tuna juice, and still he barely sniffs at things. He has taken a couple of treats, but no longer jumps eagerly into our laps for them. Gail works first shift and I work 8-4:30 in another town, so the only time we are at home together is about 4 hours at night. Feeding him is definitely a two-person job, so except for weekends and days like this (I'm home sick) we've got to cram a day's worth of food into that little time. When our Luc wouldn't eat, we had him intubated so that one person could feed him a few times a day, but that nearly broke our bank and we can't afford to do that for this little guy. What kills me is he doesn't like us too much any more, because of necessity, every time we go into his room it's to do something bad to him. And I keep thinking about what somebody said here about cats not understanding "future", it's all "now", and all his "nows" really suck. I really wish I knew why he came to us -- to be saved, or to have a comfortable and loving place to pass. I could live with it, if it's the latter, but if it is, he must feel like he's in Hell. Plus, today I have a sore throat and the beginnings of a cold, and I'm worried about making him worse. It's sort of moot because Gail can't feed him alone, but it's just another thing to obsess about. Sorry this is so gloomy, but this is really wearing us all down. In case anybody has some words of wisdom: His eyes are still somewhat runny, though not as bad as before. Vet had us discontinue the eyedrops, and she supplemented the last few Orbax with Clavamox twice a day (at least he's easy to pill alone). (We were at the vet's on Saturday, right after he seemed to be starting to eat again.) He seems to keep down the great majority of what we feed him. At least once per feeding his little tongue comes out and it looks like he's going to hurl, but then he burps and is okay. We have crunchies available all the time, no inroads into them for days, same with water, although there's considerable water in the A/D when we syringe it. His poop is runny, understandably. I would be most grateful if anybody has some fresh ideas. :-) Diane R. ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ ="Nice kitty!" -- Prof. Radcliffe Emerson The Snake, the Crocodile and the Dog^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Kiko and Mickey
Thanks for telling us about Kiko and Mickey, Lori. They sound very special. When I was a kid we had miniature schnauzers and they were the greatest pets -- I think ours did funny things knowing they'd make us laugh, and they were very smart. When Cindy, our first, who was my Dad's little girl, died, it was the only time I ever saw Dad cry. Kiko sounds great too, I love it when they hug you. Diane R. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kiko and Mickey Hi nina, my name is lori. I just lost my two precious angels.
RE: As always, Patches
i have a negative cat with lymphoma and keeping his weight up is vital. i've also been where you are with a FELV+ catright now, i'm having great luck with fancy feast--it's like crack for cats! well, it doesn't make them all skinny, but it appears to be very addictive. i, too, have tried all the premium food, a/d, etclunch meat, salmon. good luck. Tracy - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/9/2006 2:02:55 PM Subject: As always, Patches My housemate Gail and I are at our wits' end. He just will not eat. We have tried every combination of approaches we possibly can with every combination of food that we can. We gave him the liver shake on Saturday and he wolfed it down, and the next meal he refused it but ate some regular canned food and some crunchies, and then after that, nothing. We syringed him with the liver stuff a couple times, and then A/D, offering them in a bowl first, or offering tuna food or tuna juice, and still he barely sniffs at things. He has taken a couple of treats, but no longer jumps eagerly into our laps for them. Gail works first shift and I work 8-4:30 in another town, so the only time we are at home together is about 4 hours at night. Feeding him is definitely a two-person job, so except for weekends and days like this (I'm home sick) we've got to cram a day's worth of food into that little time. When our Luc wouldn't eat, we had him intubated so that one person could feed him a few times a day, but that nearly broke our bank and we can't afford to do that for this little guy. What kills me is he doesn't like us too much any more, because of necessity, every time we go into his room it's to do something bad to him. And I keep thinking about what somebody said here about cats not understanding "future", it's all "now", and all his "nows" really suck. I really wish I knew why he came to us -- to be saved, or to have a comfortable and loving place to pass. I could live with it, if it's the latter, but if it is, he must feel like he's in Hell. Plus, today I have a sore throat and the beginnings of a cold, and I'm worried about making him worse. It's sort of moot because Gail can't feed him alone, but it's just another thing to obsess about. Sorry this is so gloomy, but this is really wearing us all down. In case anybody has some words of wisdom: His eyes are still somewhat runny, though not as bad as before. Vet had us discontinue the eyedrops, and she supplemented the last few Orbax with Clavamox twice a day (at least he's easy to pill alone). (We were at the vet's on Saturday, right after he seemed to be starting to eat again.) He seems to keep down the great majority of what we feed him. At least once per feeding his little tongue comes out and it looks like he's going to hurl, but then he burps and is okay. We have crunchies available all the time, no inroads into them for days, same with water, although there's considerable water in the A/D when we syringe it. His poop is runny, understandably. I would be most grateful if anybody has some fresh ideas. :-) Diane R. ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ ="Nice kitty!" -- Prof. Radcliffe Emerson The Snake, the Crocodile and the Dog^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ =
RE: As always, Patches
Thanks, Kerry, your suggestions are now on my list of stuff to try (he did eat a piece of sliced turkey a few days ago, but refused a second one.) Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: As always, Patches Totally sympathise, Diane, I went through that with Levi and Caramel at different times. Buying all sorts of things to try to get them to eat. Making chicken broth, and warming it to lukewarm temp for them. That worked for a bit. They lapped it up for a day or two. Deli meats worked for a couple of days; as did liver shake, and sour cream. (I discovered a little later that Levi had developed mouth ulcers, which I figure explained why the sour cream felt better.) It did get to the point where they just didn't want anything I gave them, and I was so scared of them starving to death that that was when I took them to emergency. I'm sure others will jump in with ideas for Patches tho. Good luck, wish I could help more. hugs to you all, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: As always, Patches My housemate Gail and I are at our wits' end. He just will not eat. We have tried every combination of approaches we possibly can with every combination of food that we can. We gave him the liver shake on Saturday and he wolfed it down, and the next meal he refused it but ate some regular canned food and some crunchies, and then after that, nothing. We syringed him with the liver stuff a couple times, and then A/D, offering them in a bowl first, or offering tuna food or tuna juice, and still he barely sniffs at things. He has taken a couple of treats, but no longer jumps eagerly into our laps for them. Gail works first shift and I work 8-4:30 in another town, so the only time we are at home together is about 4 hours at night. Feeding him is definitely a two-person job, so except for weekends and days like this (I'm home sick) we've got to cram a day's worth of food into that little time. When our Luc wouldn't eat, we had him intubated so that one person could feed him a few times a day, but that nearly broke our bank and we can't afford to do that for this little guy. What kills me is he doesn't like us too much any more, because of necessity, every time we go into his room it's to do something bad to him. And I keep thinking about what somebody said here about cats not understanding future, it's all now, and all his nows really suck. I really wish I knew why he came to us -- to be saved, or to have a comfortable and loving place to pass. I could live with it, if it's the latter, but if it is, he must feel like he's in Hell. Plus, today I have a sore throat and the beginnings of a cold, and I'm worried about making him worse. It's sort of moot because Gail can't feed him alone, but it's just another thing to obsess about. Sorry this is so gloomy, but this is really wearing us all down. In case anybody has some words of wisdom: His eyes are still somewhat runny, though not as bad as before. Vet had us discontinue the eyedrops, and she supplemented the last few Orbax with Clavamox twice a day (at least he's easy to pill alone). (We were at the vet's on Saturday, right after he seemed to be starting to eat again.) He seems to keep down the great majority of what we feed him. At least once per feeding his little tongue comes out and it looks like he's going to hurl, but then he burps and is okay. We have crunchies available all the time, no inroads into them for days, same with water, although there's considerable water in the A/D when we syringe it. His poop is runny, understandably. I would be most grateful if anybody has some fresh ideas. :-) Diane R. ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = Nice kitty! -- Prof. Radcliffe Emerson The Snake, the Crocodile and the Dog ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for
RE: As always, Patches
Adding Fancy Feast to my list, thanks, Tracy! Best of luck with your lymphoma baby. Diane R. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tracy WeeseSent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:42 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: As always, Patches i have a negative cat with lymphoma and keeping his weight up is vital. i've also been where you are with a FELV+ catright now, i'm having great luck with fancy feast--it's like crack for cats! well, it doesn't make them all skinny, but it appears to be very addictive. i, too, have tried all the premium food, a/d, etclunch meat, salmon. good luck. Tracy - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/9/2006 2:02:55 PM Subject: As always, Patches My housemate Gail and I are at our wits' end. He just will not eat. We have tried every combination of approaches we possibly can with every combination of food that we can. We gave him the liver shake on Saturday and he wolfed it down, and the next meal he refused it but ate some regular canned food and some crunchies, and then after that, nothing. We syringed him with the liver stuff a couple times, and then A/D, offering them in a bowl first, or offering tuna food or tuna juice, and still he barely sniffs at things. He has taken a couple of treats, but no longer jumps eagerly into our laps for them. Gail works first shift and I work 8-4:30 in another town, so the only time we are at home together is about 4 hours at night. Feeding him is definitely a two-person job, so except for weekends and days like this (I'm home sick) we've got to cram a day's worth of food in Plus, today I have a sore throat and the beginnings of a cold, and I'm worried about making him worse. It's sort of moot because Gail can't feed him alone, but it's just another thing to obsess about. Sorry this is so gloomy, but this is really wearing us all down. In case anybody has some words of wisdom: His eyes are still somewhat runny, though not as bad as before. Vet had us discontinue the eyedrops, and she supplemented the last few Orbax with Clavamox twice a day (at least he's easy to pill alone). (We were at the vet's on Saturday, right after he seemed to be starting to eat again.) He seems to keep down the great majority of what we feed him. At least once per feeding his little tongue comes out and it looks like he's going to hurl, but then he burps and is okay. We have crunchies available all the time, no inroads into them for days, same with water, although there's considerable water in the A/D when we syringe it. His poop is runny, understandably. I would be most grateful if anybody has some fresh ideas. :-) Diane R. ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ ="Nice kitty!" -- Prof. Radcliffe Emerson The Snake, the Crocodile and the Dog^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ =
RE: Dempsey Please add to CLS
Oh Sherry, grey kitties are my special favorites,Dempsey sounds like he was beautiful. I am so sorry for your loss. Peace, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message: 7 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dempsey Please add to CLS To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sweet handsome gray tiger with such beautiful green eyes is now with so many other angels that have lost the battle with felv.It has been a sad week for many of us.One thing that comforts me is that I know Maizee is not alone on the other side of the bridge,I hope all the babies that I love and care for can pass on loving memories to her and she can to them. I know it sounds silly but it is my comfort.Bless you all -
Slippery Elm
Hi everyone, I know there has been some recent discussion here on the possible benefits of slippery elm (to control nausea was it?), so I found this article interesting, in a bummer sort of way. Apparently demand is such that people are poaching the bark and killing otherwise healthy trees. I hate the drug companies, but it might be a lesser evilto use their product if it works in this instance, than to buy the herbal alternative. Why does everything have to be so complicated??? Here's the link: http://enews.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20060809/44d95dc0_3ca6_1552620060809953681522 Regards, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: just need to vent about my feral feluk
Jeni, You need to set a trap w/ food asap, while keeping the other animals away from it, so that she will come out. If she smells tuna, or something else, she should come out to eat, unless she can get out of the house some other way. Is there any way you can close that hole up after you trap her? I think time is of the essence here and although you should try to remain calm so you can think straight, you definitely need to move on this asap. Good luck and keep us posted. :) Wendy P.S. Is there a room you can keep just her in until she gets used to the house/other animals and settles down into her own routine? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: (OT) Finally, the long awaited GROUND HOG Pictures!
Phaewryn, I LOVE the grounghog pics!!! He is so fat and fluffy and cute!!! :) Wendy --- Phaewryn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so I finally got around to uploading pictures today, so here he is: http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH1.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH2.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH3.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH4.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH5.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH6.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH7.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH8.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH9.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH10.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH11.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH12.jpg http://ucat.us/OurRescuePics/GroundHog/GH13.jpg Oh, and the food, yeah, I went to the livestock supply store and bought him a bag of rabbit pellets. I told him we could call it ground hog food if we wanted to. The people at the store thought I was nuts for buying food for my ground hog. Anyways, he's totally not destructive, and a very peaceful little guy. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/2006 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: As always, Patches
Cyproheptadine is a prescription appetite stimulant. Do not get the liquid; it's as bad as the cherry stuff that Phaewryn ended up with. Tastes NASTY!!! It's all I can offer right now. I hope this turns around soon and Patches starts eating again. :) Wendy --- Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My housemate Gail and I are at our wits' end. He just will not eat. We have tried every combination of approaches we possibly can with every combination of food that we can. We gave him the liver shake on Saturday and he wolfed it down, and the next meal he refused it but ate some regular canned food and some crunchies, and then after that, nothing. We syringed him with the liver stuff a couple times, and then A/D, offering them in a bowl first, or offering tuna food or tuna juice, and still he barely sniffs at things. He has taken a couple of treats, but no longer jumps eagerly into our laps for them. Gail works first shift and I work 8-4:30 in another town, so the only time we are at home together is about 4 hours at night. Feeding him is definitely a two-person job, so except for weekends and days like this (I'm home sick) we've got to cram a day's worth of food into that little time. When our Luc wouldn't eat, we had him intubated so that one person could feed him a few times a day, but that nearly broke our bank and we can't afford to do that for this little guy. What kills me is he doesn't like us too much any more, because of necessity, every time we go into his room it's to do something bad to him. And I keep thinking about what somebody said here about cats not understanding future, it's all now, and all his nows really suck. I really wish I knew why he came to us -- to be saved, or to have a comfortable and loving place to pass. I could live with it, if it's the latter, but if it is, he must feel like he's in Hell. Plus, today I have a sore throat and the beginnings of a cold, and I'm worried about making him worse. It's sort of moot because Gail can't feed him alone, but it's just another thing to obsess about. Sorry this is so gloomy, but this is really wearing us all down. In case anybody has some words of wisdom: His eyes are still somewhat runny, though not as bad as before. Vet had us discontinue the eyedrops, and she supplemented the last few Orbax with Clavamox twice a day (at least he's easy to pill alone). (We were at the vet's on Saturday, right after he seemed to be starting to eat again.) He seems to keep down the great majority of what we feed him. At least once per feeding his little tongue comes out and it looks like he's going to hurl, but then he burps and is okay. We have crunchies available all the time, no inroads into them for days, same with water, although there's considerable water in the A/D when we syringe it. His poop is runny, understandably. I would be most grateful if anybody has some fresh ideas. :-) Diane R. ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = Nice kitty! -- Prof. Radcliffe Emerson The Snake, the Crocodile and the Dog ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: As always, Patches
Humm, I seem to recall that valium is an appetite stimulant. Others will have other suggestions. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 8/9/2006
RE: As always, Patches
You're right about that -- we got diazepam for our Missy, who was hyper and reclusive, and also very skinny. The minute we started her on it, she started hoovering food. Also, she's much less intimidated by the others. I'm just afraid if we ask the vet for another scrip, we'll get a reputation! Diane R. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: As always, Patches Humm, I seem to recall that valium is an appetite stimulant. Others will have other suggestions. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS!
Re: As always, Patches
I used it when Ebony Thomas Katt didn't want to leave and it really worked well. There may be side effects--at that time in his life that was not an issue so I either never knew or don't remember. Good luck. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: As always, Patches Humm, I seem to recall that valium is an appetite stimulant. Others will have other suggestions. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 8/9/2006
Re: As always, Patches
is it periactin that's generally prescribed as an appetite stimulant? i'd talk with your vet. keeping food in them is vital... On 8/9/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used it when Ebony Thomas Katt didn't want to leave and it really worked well. There may be side effects--at that time in his life that was not an issue so I either never knew or don't remember. Good luck. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: As always, Patches Humm, I seem to recall that valium is an appetite stimulant. Others will have other suggestions. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Update (long)
Hi everyone, So much sad news on this list this week. Reading about your losses really made me face my fears about adoptinga kitten, but I had to laugh at myselfafter I was so solemn driving to the humane society, and then when I saw her, I couldn't wait to tell her that she was going home, I was so filled with glee. I've been absolutely delighted with every little thing she does. I can only imagine what I'll be like as a mom if I get this excited over a kitten's first poo (and not a first poo ever, just a first poo in my litterbox). Whoever just recently said that realistic expectation don't help that much in the end is certainly right. I've been trying to keep myself steady, but man does your heart fill up fast. I hope that updating you all helps those of you that have just lost one (or two) of your friends. I hope that they are here with my new one, telling her about all the wonderful things they've learned from you all. So I brought home mylittle girl kittenlast night. She isvery mature. She wasn't shy at all on the way home, batting around her new collar and tags in the Humane Society carrier. She's curious, but cautious in her new room (the bathroom) at my apartment. So many different noises and tectures and funny business going on in there. She will watch the water dribbling from the faucet with fascination, but prefers to sit at one end of the bath tub and watch it from far away, or from the edge looking down at it. She observes everything and is a calm 2-month old, but still plays with balls and chases the laser light. She seems to like sitting on the floor and being rubbed more than sitting onmy lap and being rubbed, but when I stand and pay attention to something else (like brushingmy teeth) she'll come and stand on my feet and stretch up against my leg for attention. She trills and we've had good conversations about the state of things so far. She likes to curl up in the towel with my scent that I bunched up in a tight place for her, I imagine that after the constant noise of the humane society, a bit of quiet is a good, new thing. She and Satchmo batted paws under the door. He is very curious as to who is behind there and she is very eager to meet him. They've just been shadowdancing so far, but I think that it will be a smooth transition. Her appetite seems good, though I'm like a grandmother, she can't eat enough as far as I'm concerned. She's small, maybe a couple of pounds, and has a nice little round belly. Her eyes are clear and her breathing sounds good, but sometimes she'll...um, cough for lack of a better word. It's kind of like a hork. But no vomiting. Like her breath gets caught suddenly, or something, do you know what I'm talking about? I've got her first vet appt set up for Friday, so we'll see what they say - she doesn't feel feverish (cool ears/paw pads). I'd like to wait until after that to do the full cat to cat introduction, but it's hard when you know that they want to meet. They have seen each other and Satch stretches out a few feet away from his side of the bathroom door, just watching, waiting. What do you think? Like I said, clean, dry eyes and nose - but...I don't know how to describe it. A very dry cough?, a backwords cough like dogs get sometimes? but it doesn't continue for long,just a couple ofsmall bursts. I could take her temp as a deciding factor to see if she's running a little higher than normal. I'm thinking of a few names - I vacillate between something big and fierce (Godzilla) and something sweet and fleeting (Sparrow). Godzilla would really give the leukemia virus, or any other opportunistic buggers, something to think about, and she could be Zill, or Zilly, for short. But Sparrow would be like a little bird, would capitalize on her trill, and I could call her Little Bird. And then there's Capt. Jack Sparrow. Anyway, my heart really goes out to those of you who have experienced recent loss. All I can say is that I am sorry and that I understand. Not very wise, but very empathetic. Leslie
Re: Update (long)
A word of caution about leaving any cat in a bathroom: Make sure the toilet lid is down at all times (ok, except the obvious times). A cat will investigate, can fall in and can not get out. Let her tell you her name. She will. All you have to do is ask and wait. I am so pleased she is home and happy. Bless you and bless her and all her cousins. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Leslie To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Update (long) Hi everyone, So much sad news on this list this week. Reading about your losses really made me face my fears about adoptinga kitten, but I had to laugh at myselfafter I was so solemn driving to the humane society, and then when I saw her, I couldn't wait to tell her that she was going home, I was so filled with glee. I've been absolutely delighted with every little thing she does. I can only imagine what I'll be like as a mom if I get this excited over a kitten's first poo (and not a first poo ever, just a first poo in my litterbox). Whoever just recently said that realistic expectation don't help that much in the end is certainly right. I've been trying to keep myself steady, but man does your heart fill up fast. I hope that updating you all helps those of you that have just lost one (or two) of your friends. I hope that they are here with my new one, telling her about all the wonderful things they've learned from you all. So I brought home mylittle girl kittenlast night. She isvery mature. She wasn't shy at all on the way home, batting around her new collar and tags in the Humane Society carrier. She's curious, but cautious in her new room (the bathroom) at my apartment. So many different noises and tectures and funny business going on in there. She will watch the water dribbling from the faucet with fascination, but prefers to sit at one end of the bath tub and watch it from far away, or from the edge looking down at it. She observes everything and is a calm 2-month old, but still plays with balls and chases the laser light. She seems to like sitting on the floor and being rubbed more than sitting onmy lap and being rubbed, but when I stand and pay attention to something else (like brushingmy teeth) she'll come and stand on my feet and stretch up against my leg for attention. She trills and we've had good conversations about the state of things so far. She likes to curl up in the towel with my scent that I bunched up in a tight place for her, I imagine that after the constant noise of the humane society, a bit of quiet is a good, new thing. She and Satchmo batted paws under the door. He is very curious as to who is behind there and she is very eager to meet him. They've just been shadowdancing so far, but I think that it will be a smooth transition. Her appetite seems good, though I'm like a grandmother, she can't eat enough as far as I'm concerned. She's small, maybe a couple of pounds, and has a nice little round belly. Her eyes are clear and her breathing sounds good, but sometimes she'll...um, cough for lack of a better word. It's kind of like a hork. But no vomiting. Like her breath gets caught suddenly, or something, do you know what I'm talking about? I've got her first vet appt set up for Friday, so we'll see what they say - she doesn't feel feverish (cool ears/paw pads). I'd like to wait until after that to do the full cat to cat introduction, but it's hard when you know that they want to meet. They have seen each other and Satch stretches out a few feet away from his side of the bathroom door, just watching, waiting. What do you think? Like I said, clean, dry eyes and nose - but...I don't know how to describe it. A very dry cough?, a backwords cough like dogs get sometimes? but it doesn't continue for long,just a couple ofsmall bursts. I could take her temp as a deciding factor to see if she's running a little higher than normal. I'm thinking of a few names - I vacillate between something big and fierce (Godzilla) and something sweet and fleeting (Sparrow). Godzilla would really give the leukemia virus, or any other opportunistic buggers, something to think about, and she could be Zill, or Zilly, for short. But Sparrow would be like a little bird, would capitalize on her trill, and I could call her Little Bird. And then there's Capt. Jack Sparrow. Anyway, my heart really goes out to those of you who have experienced recent loss. All I can say is that I am sorry and that I understand. Not very wise, but very empathetic. Leslie No virus found in this incoming
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Leslie congrats on your new baby girl!! I know the first everything that you are talking about,when I first took in my beautiful Maizee Grace my heart just swelled with adoration and love instantly.Even her first cute little poos made me smile. :) I do miss that beautiful girl so much everyday.I now have 3 big beautiful fiv+ boys that I love with all my heart.Take care and enjoy your new little bundle of joy. SherryLeslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi everyone,So much sad news on this list this week. Reading about your losses really made me face my fears about adoptinga kitten, but I had to laugh at myselfafter I was so solemn driving to the humane society, and then when I saw her, I couldn't wait to tell her that she was going home, I was so filled with glee. I've been absolutely delighted with every little thing she does. I can only imagine what I'll be like as a mom if I get this excited over a kitten's first poo (and not a first poo ever, just a first poo in my litterbox). Whoever just recently said that realistic expectation don't help that much in the end is certainly right. I've been trying to keep myself steady, but man does your heart fill up fast. I hope that updating you all helps those of you that have just lost one (or two) of your friends. I hope that they are here with my new one, telling her about all the wonderful things they've learned from you all.So I brought home mylittle girl kittenlast night. She isvery mature. She wasn't shy at all on the way home, batting around her new collar and tags in the Humane Society carrier. She's curious, but cautious in her new room (the bathroom) at my apartment. So many different noises and tectures and funny business going on in there. She will watch the water dribbling from the faucet with fascination, but prefers to sit at one end of the bath tub and watch it from far away, or from the edge looking down at it. She observes everything and is a calm 2-month old, but still plays with balls and chases the laser light. She seems to like sitting on the floor and being rubbed more than sitting onmy lap and being rubbed, but when I stand and pay attention to something else (like brushingmy teeth) she'll come and stand on my feet and stretch up against my leg for attention. She trills and we've had good conversations about the state of things so far. She likes to curl up in the towel with my scent that I bunched up in a tight place for her, I imagine that after the constant noise of the humane society, a bit of quiet is a good, new thing. She and Satchmo batted paws under the door. He is very curious as to who is behind there and she is very eager to meet him. They've just been shadowdancing so far, but I think that it will be a smooth transition. Her appetite seems good, though I'm like a grandmother, she can't eat enough as far as I'm concerned. She's small, maybe a couple of pounds, and has a nice little round belly. Her eyes are clear and her breathing sounds good, but sometimes she'll...um, cough for lack of a better word. It's kind of like a hork. But no vomiting. Like her breath gets caught suddenly, or something, do you know what I'm talking about? I've got her first vet appt set up for Friday, so we'll see what they say - she doesn't feel feverish (cool ears/paw pads). I'd like to wait until after that to do the full cat to cat introduction, but it's hard when you know that they want to meet. They have seen each other and Satch stretches out a few feet away from his side of the bathroom door, just watching, waiting. What do you think? Like I said, clean, dry eyes and nose - but...I don't know how to describe it. A very dry cough?, a backwords cough like dogs get sometimes? but it doesn't continue for long,just a couple ofsmall bursts. I could take her temp as a deciding factor to see if she's running a little higher than normal. I'm thinking of a few names - I vacillate between something big and fierce (Godzilla) and something sweet and fleeting (Sparrow). Godzilla would really give the leukemia virus, or any other opportunistic buggers, something to think about, and she could be Zill, or Zilly, for short. But Sparrow would be like a little bird, would capitalize on her trill, and I could call her Little Bird. And then there's Capt. Jack Sparrow. Anyway, my heart really goes out to those of you who have experienced recent loss. All I can say is that I am sorry and that I understand. Not very wise, but very empathetic.Leslie Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Update (long)
Thanks Marylyn and Sherry! I appreciate your advice about the toilet lid, Marylyn, but no worries there. One of Satch's adorable dog-like qualities is a preference for toilet water to the fresh, filtered stuff that he is provided by the management. That lid has been down for over a year. :) Leslie
Re: As always, Patches
Diane, I'm sorry Patches is having so many problems. I hope things turn around soon! Maggie
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Hi Leslie, She sounds adorable! I'm so glad your both doing so well! I don't have a lot of experience but that noise sounds like the noise Izzie made shortly after her spaying. The vet said it was from the trachia tube pushing bacteria from her mouth into her body. Most cats can fight it easily but she put Izzie on antibiotics and it went away within three days. Was Powder just spayed? Maggie -- Original message -- From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone, So much sad news on this list this week. Reading about your losses really made me face my fears about adoptinga kitten, but I had to laugh at myselfafter I was so solemn driving to the humane society, and then when I saw her, I couldn't wait to tell her that she was going home, I was so filled with glee. I've been absolutely delighted with every little thing she does. I can only imagine what I'll be like as a mom if I get this excited over a kitten's first poo (and not a first poo ever, just a first poo in my litterbox). Whoever just recently said that realistic expectation don't help that much in the end is certainly right. I've been trying to keep myself steady, but man does your heart fill up fast. I hope that updating you all helps those of you that have just lost one (or two) of your friends. I hope that they are here with my new one, telling her about all the wonderful things they've learned from you all. So I brought home mylittle girl kittenlast night. She isvery mature. She wasn't shy at all on the way home, batting around her new collar and tags in the Humane Society carrier. She's curious, but cautious in her new room (the bathroom) at my apartment. So many different noises and tectures and funny business going on in there. She will watch the water dribbling from the faucet with fascination, but prefers to sit at one end of the bath tub and watch it from far away, or from the edge looking down at it. She observes everything and is a calm 2-month old, but still plays with balls and chases the laser light. She seems to like sitting on the floor and being rubbed more than sitting onmy lap and being rubbed, but when I stand and pay attention to something else (like brushingmy teeth) she'll come and stand on my feet and stretch up against my leg for attention. She trills and we've had good conversatio ns about the state of things so far. She likes to curl up in the towel with my scent that I bunched up in a tight place for her, I imagine that after the constant noise of the humane society, a bit of quiet is a good, new thing. She and Satchmo batted paws under the door. He is very curious as to who is behind there and she is very eager to meet him. They've just been shadowdancing so far, but I think that it will be a smooth transition. Her appetite seems good, though I'm like a grandmother, she can't eat enough as far as I'm concerned. She's small, maybe a couple of pounds, and has a nice little round belly. Her eyes are clear and her breathing sounds good, but sometimes she'll...um, cough for lack of a better word. It's kind of like a hork. But no vomiting. Like her breath gets caught suddenly, or something, do you know what I'm talking about? I've got her first vet appt set up for Friday, so we'll see what they say - she doesn't feel feverish (cool ears/paw pads). I'd like to wait until after that to do the full cat to cat introduction, but it's hard when you know that they want to meet. They have seen each other and Satch stretches out a few feet away from his side of the bathroom door, just watching, waiting. What do you think? Like I said, clean, dry eyes and nose - but...I don't know how to describe it. A very dry cough?, a backwords cough like dogs get sometimes? but it doesn't continue for long,just a couple ofsmall bursts. I could take her temp as a deciding factor to see if she's running a little higher than normal. I'm thinking of a few names - I vacillate between something big and fierce (Godzilla) and something sweet and fleeting (Sparrow). Godzilla would really give the leukemia virus, or any other opportunistic buggers, something to think about, and she could be Zill, or Zilly, for short. But Sparrow would be like a little bird, would capitalize on her trill, and I could call her Little Bird. And then there's Capt. Jack Sparrow. Anyway, my heart really goes out to those of you who have experienced recent loss. All I can say is that I am sorry and that I understand. Not very wise, but very empathetic. Leslie
Re: Now Peter has become an angel - so soon...
Oh my god, Hideyo, I am so sorry. No one should have to go through as much as you are going through right now. Michelle
Re: Dempsey Please add to CLS
Sherry, I do not know how you handle all this, but god bless you and i am so sorry. Michelle
Re: As always, Patches
liver shake. Michelle
Re: Kiko and Mickey
Thankyou MJ for your kind words! Means alot.
Re: Update (long)
How wonderful you got a new baby! I just loved reading the update. elizabeth In a message dated 8/9/2006 7:41:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, So much sad news on this list this week. Reading about your losses really made me face my fears about adoptinga kitten, but I had to laugh at myselfafter I was so solemn driving to the humane society, and then when I saw her, I couldn't wait to tell her that she was going home, I was so filled with glee. I've been absolutely delighted with every little thing she does. I can only imagine what I'll be like as a mom if I get this excited over a kitten's first poo (and not a first poo ever, just a first poo in my litterbox). Whoever just recently said that realistic expectation don't help that much in the end is certainly right. I've been trying to keep myself steady, but man does your heart fill up fast. I hope that updating you all helps those of you that have just lost one (or two) of your friends. I hope that they are here with my new one, telling her about all the wonderful things they've learned from you all. So I brought home mylittle girl kittenlast night. She isvery mature. She wasn't shy at all on the way home, batting around her new collar and tags in the Humane Society carrier. She's curious, but cautious in her new room (the bathroom) at my apartment. So many different noises and tectures and funny business going on in there. She will watch the water dribbling from the faucet with fascination, but prefers to sit at one end of the bath tub and watch it from far away, or from the edge looking down at it. She observes everything and is a calm 2-month old, but still plays with balls and chases the laser light. She seems to like sitting on the floor and being rubbed more than sitting onmy lap and being rubbed, but when I stand and pay attention to something else (like brushingmy teeth) she'll come and stand on my feet and stretch up against my leg for attention. She trills and we've had good conversations about the state of things so far. She likes to curl up in the towel with my scent that I bunched up in a tight place for her, I imagine that after the constant noise of the humane society, a bit of quiet is a good, new thing. She and Satchmo batted paws under the door. He is very curious as to who is behind there and she is very eager to meet him. They've just been shadowdancing so far, but I think that it will be a smooth transition. Her appetite seems good, though I'm like a grandmother, she can't eat enough as far as I'm concerned. She's small, maybe a couple of pounds, and has a nice little round belly. Her eyes are clear and her breathing sounds good, but sometimes she'll...um, cough for lack of a better word. It's kind of like a hork. But no vomiting. Like her breath gets caught suddenly, or something, do you know what I'm talking about? I've got her first vet appt set up for Friday, so we'll see what they say - she doesn't feel feverish (cool ears/paw pads). I'd like to wait until after that to do the full cat to cat introduction, but it's hard when you know that they want to meet. They have seen each other and Satch stretches out a few feet away from his side of the bathroom door, just watching, waiting. What do you think? Like I said, clean, dry eyes and nose - but...I don't know how to describe it. A very dry cough?, a backwords cough like dogs get sometimes? but it doesn't continue for long,just a couple ofsmall bursts. I could take her temp as a deciding factor to see if she's running a little higher than normal. I'm thinking of a few names - I vacillate between something big and fierce (Godzilla) and something sweet and fleeting (Sparrow). Godzilla would really give the leukemia virus, or any other opportunistic buggers, something to think about, and she could be Zill, or Zilly, for short. But Sparrow would be like a little bird, would capitalize on her trill, and I could call her Little Bird. And then there's Capt. Jack Sparrow. Anyway, my heart really goes out to those of you who have experienced recent loss. All I can say is that I am sorry and that I understand. Not very wise, but very empathetic. Leslie
