Re: Add my Mishka to the CLS
I'm so sorry :( She sounds like a darling baby. My thoughts are with you Gloria.Gina Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Mishka died yesterday (Sunday Oct 22). She was such a pretty little black and white kitty. She was abandoned at PetCo by someone, and accepted into our rescue. I could see that she was going down hill, and brought her to my house, hoping to make a difference and help her pull thru. I had great plans for her.Took her to the vet for the last two weeks. She'd tested negative on the Elisa. When she had a CBC blood test, it showed a low white count, low red count, low platelets - her bone marrow wasn't putting out any platelets. Don't know why, but some kind of cancer's a possibility, we just don't know.She was just as sweet as could be, slightly long black and white fur, with cute little ringlets coming out her ears and paws. She had wonderful, gentle personality - could have been somebody's love-bug for a long time, but guess it wasn't to be. She was my love-bug for a short time. She was about a year old. What a beautiful angel!Thanks,GloriaVisit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: Beeper Swallowed Nylon
Beeper will be in my prayers!Gina Sharon Siders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:We looked everywhere for that string and could not find it. You're right about the nerves.If you remember I lost two kitties to Felv, I can't bear the thought of losing another to something I could have prevented.SharonNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sharon,You must be so nervous waiting and watching to see if there are any complications with that darn string! Someone on the list just went through a nasty episode with dental floss. I'm trying to remember who that was and what they did. I do remember a visit to the vet. I'll try to look through the archives and see what I come up with. Are you sure that he didn't chew off just the 4" and the rest is laying around on the floor somewhere?NinaSharon Siders wrote: Beeper swallowed about 12" of nylon string from one of his toys. Has passed by way of a bowel movement about 4". Have called the emergency vet in Verona, Va. and was informed that if Beep's appetite remains good; he continues to drink water; he continues to go to the bathroom, everything should work itself out of his system. If anyone out there that has had a similar experience, please let me know of any details; e.g., any other thing for which I should be aware and/or for which I should look!! Please let me know. Sharon Siders Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: Joy
That is good news! :)GinaSherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Good news this time for our beautiful tortie Joy,she is back with us at the shelter.Her foster was afraid to keep her because of the scare with the ulcers.I am happy to see her.THanks for all the prayers. Sherry Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Some good news since Luna
I am crying tears of joy over your story. What a wonderful name, Gabriel :)Gina Kris Kulak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello Everyone,It's been almost a week without Luna. I still hurt, but have had something wonderful come out of this. I teach, and when I found out last Friday my little Luna's prognosis, I had a classroom full of students; my third period. They saw my reaction (I'm terrible at hiding how I feel). They had a ton of questions which I answered. Anyway, the weekend passed and on Monday, they wanted to know how Luna was. I told them. They were so sympathetic and all wanted to hug me (they're 6th graders) that it made me cry. The following day, Tuesday, I had a bunch of homemade sympathy cards. Also, one student brought me a dozen roses and a homemade card which he and his mom signed. To let you know how much more wonderful they are, apparently, behind my back, they were plotting to get me another kitty. The guidance counselor wanted to know if I was going to do something with cats in my class because many kids were asking her about them. Anyway, it turns out that one student had a kitten left from a litter that they couldn't find a home for. The kids decided that would be my new cat. The child along with her parents brought the kitten to my house Tuesday evening. How sweet is that? It's so nice to know that so many people care.I named him Gabriel after God's messenger angel. I felt the name was appropriate. I students were all angels and the kitty is a wonderful gift. KrisVisit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Re: please pray for Ember
Lance many prayes to you and Ember. SherryLance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took Ember in today for a routine check with our allopathic vet. She's been doing really well, though I wasn't sure about her weight. It turned out that she's gained back the weight she lost from her bout with diarrhea early in the Summer. She actually weighs more than she ever did. Fat and happy! All seemed well.Unfortunately, the blood work told a different story. While Ember's red blood cells are doing great, her white blood cell count is extremely low. I think it was 3.6 or 3.7 (3600 or 3700), which is almost half of what it was when she went in four months ago, and half of what would be considered normal. Needless to say, I now know what the phrase, "breaking out in a cold sweat" means, because I experienced it right there as the vet was talking to me. I'd put it in second place only to when I got the first positive FeLV test for her. As, I'd guess, everyone here knows, it's a horrible feeling.I ask your prayers for my girl. Any advice you might have would also be great. Up until the time of her diarrhea episode, I was giving her Transfer Factor Feline Formula. I stopped it then, and we haven't done it since. Should I look at the TF+ or TF Classic human formulas instead?God bless you and all of your furry friends.Lance Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: please pray for Ember
Lance, I will be remembering you and Ember in my prayers. elizabeth In a message dated 10/23/2006 6:42:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took Ember in today for a routine check with our allopathic vet. She's been doing really well, though I wasn't sure about her weight. It turned out that she's gained back the weight she lost from her bout with diarrhea early in the Summer. She actually weighs more than she ever did. Fat and happy! All seemed well.Unfortunately, the blood work told a different story. While Ember's red blood cells are doing great, her white blood cell count is extremely low. I think it was 3.6 or 3.7 (3600 or 3700), which is almost half of what it was when she went in four months ago, and half of what would be considered normal. Needless to say, I now know what the phrase, "breaking out in a cold sweat" means, because I experienced it right there as the vet was talking to me. I'd put it in second place only to when I got the first positive FeLV test for her. As, I'd guess, everyone here knows, it's a horrible feeling.I ask your prayers for my girl. Any advice you might have would also be great. Up until the time of her diarrhea episode, I was giving her Transfer Factor Feline Formula. I stopped it then, and we haven't done it since. Should I look at the TF+ or TF Classic human formulas instead?God bless you and all of your furry friends.Lance If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
urgent--please pray for Lucy
She is very sick. It started last night. We have a vet appointment at 9:30 locally, can not get an internist appointment. It is not her IBD-- her bowels are normal. But she has stopped eating, does not want me to touch her (she is usually all over me) and has that dull sick look in her eyes. No URI symptoms. She looks pink to me. Which makes me very scared that it is something like cancer or leukemia. There are no internist appointments at either place in NJ for a week. They said I can go in through the emergency room and wait for an internist. I hate doing that. When I did that with Ginger it took them 4 days to figure out she had neurological problems. One place said to go to my local vet, get tests done, and have them call to try to convince an internist to squeeze her in. Michelle
RE: urgent--please pray for Lucy
Michelle -- here are vibes that Lucy feels better and that you can quickly find someone to figure out what's wrong with her. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:55 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: urgent--please pray for Lucy She is very sick. It started last night. We have a vet appointment at 9:30 locally, can not get an internist appointment. It is not her IBD-- her bowels are normal. But she has stopped eating, does not want me to touch her (she is usually all over me) and has that dull sick look in her eyes. No URI symptoms. She looks pink to me. Which makes me very scared that it is something like cancer or leukemia. There are no internist appointments at either place in NJ for a week. They said I can go in through the emergency room and wait for an internist. I hate doing that. When I did that with Ginger it took them 4 days to figure out she had neurological problems. One place said to go to my local vet, get tests done, and have them call to try to convince an internist to squeeze her in. Michelle This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: urgent--please pray for Lucy
At 05:54 AM 10/24/2006, you wrote: Goo thoughts and wishes for health going your way...all day.. Kelly She is very sick. It started last night. We have a vet appointment at 9:30 locally, can not get an internist appointment. It is not her IBD-- her bowels are normal. But she has stopped eating, does not want me to touch her (she is usually all over me) and has that dull sick look in her eyes. No URI symptoms. She looks pink to me. Which makes me very scared that it is something like cancer or leukemia. There are no internist appointments at either place in NJ for a week. They said I can go in through the emergency room and wait for an internist. I hate doing that. When I did that with Ginger it took them 4 days to figure out she had neurological problems. One place said to go to my local vet, get tests done, and have them call to try to convince an internist to squeeze her in. Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/492 - Release Date: 10/23/2006
Re: urgent--please pray for Lucy
I will be thinking, and praying for you both. Dede --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is very sick. It started last night. We have a vet appointment at 9:30 locally, can not get an internist appointment. It is not her IBD-- her bowels are normal. But she has stopped eating, does not want me to touch her (she is usually all over me) and has that dull sick look in her eyes. No URI symptoms. She looks pink to me. Which makes me very scared that it is something like cancer or leukemia. There are no internist appointments at either place in NJ for a week. They said I can go in through the emergency room and wait for an internist. I hate doing that. When I did that with Ginger it took them 4 days to figure out she had neurological problems. One place said to go to my local vet, get tests done, and have them call to try to convince an internist to squeeze her in. Michelle When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FIP
I want to add that the lab that did the screening on Dukee said he had the Feline Corona Virusgo figure. Yet they say he isn't or is positive for FIP. I'm really screwed up now... :( In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:54:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Corona virus is highly contagious through feces and saliva… and it’s very common for cats to have – but FIP is not contagious. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: Mishka, sleep, FIP
marta, FIP is currently considered to be a mutated corona virus--so the corona virus is contagious (they estimate something like 80-90% of cats in a multi-cat environment will have been exposed to it and show a high titre--roughly the same percentage of humans will show a titre, too, as the corona virii are such common causes of uris in many species...). the mutation, however, is neither predictable nor preventable. there seems to be strong evidence of a genetic predisposition for mutation to occur. at the sanctuary, we saw FIP develop in a number of panleuk survivors as well, but it happened in family groups, so the genetic predisposition might have been more at fault than the panleuk... one of the reasons, i believe, that FIP was so named was that it would occur in catteries and other groups of cats, and at that point it was easiest to assume it was infectious. realizing the genetic component, it makes sense that in a group of related kitties, that genetic predisposition would manifest itself at a higher rate than in unrelated cats. if FIP were truly contagious in and of itself, there would be no sanctuaries or long-term-stay rescues/shelters around--by the time wet FIP is suspected, the cat is usually on its last paws already, and therefore, all cats in such situations would have caught it and gone to the bridge. most folks who have gone through the heartache of FIP in one of their furkids have NOT lost any others, unless they were related (and the more kitties you have, the higher the likelihood that you might have one or more families represented who have the genetic predisposition...) MC On 10/24/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Corona virus is highly contagious through feces and saliva… and it's very common for cats to have – but FIP is not contagious. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marta gasper Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:51 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Mishka, sleep, FIP I hadn't gotten to all posts either so I might be offf on some things; first of all my condolences on Mishka 's passing. Your loving care and big hopes surely made her short life a good one and you'll see her again. I noticed all she wants to do is sleep post. I've a rescue that we including vet are puzzled over. She's fine according to tests and exams_except for an injured paw that's healed_she eats/useslitterbox normally but she sleeps almost always, once we stopped petting her/is done eating, etc she'll fall asleep. She'll be six months at the end of the week and no way she's an hyper (in the way that kittens are) teenager like her siblings. I thought anemia? Nope all cells are there, all organs function fine. According to more experienced rescuers she isn't mentally retarded but I'm not sure of that. She follows laser light, dangling toys, etc with interest, even strechts out a paw to touch but that's it, then will fall sleep again. All are spayed so I had them rechecked in case something went wrong but wasn't post surgery trauma either. All three are panleuk survivors (feral kits rescued at 3 and 4 months) out of a litter of 5. Nanette who almost died made it but has a scarred lung, she makes all kinds of noises breathing but vet said it's just tissue that 'flaps', it might go away as she grows up. Second kitten Juliette is somewhat social and playful, no problems at all, then there's Suzette (maybe the runt? She's the smallest) who sleeps all the time. Three vets saw them, I might get S to a cat hospital, OTOH I'm afraid they'll tell me it is FIP as that's what happened to another last year that's a plump jolly housecat now and did not have FIP. [tho he did have some tell tale symptoms, turned out to be organ damage and he recovered, he's FIV+, though] Maybe it's some trauma from being motherless when tiny (mom came back but they had to hold their own for a week) And another thing that caught my eye; FIP isn't contagious? Or you mean FIP isn't, but corona is? Thank-you! Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: urgent--please pray for Lucy
Well, she has a fever of 104.5, and her nose has started running a bit. So the vet put her on Clavamox, and I gave her fluids and force-fed her some baby food with lysine in it. I also ordered Immuno-regulin to be expressed mailed to me, and my vet said he will give her the IV shot when it comes in tomorrow. I am hoping she just has a URI that is showing up mostly as fever. I got a full blood panel, results should be in tomorrow. But her color looks ok, knock on wood, and the vet palpated her and did not feel anything. His hunch is that it is a URI or virus. Thanks for all the prayers and good wishes, Michelle
Re: please pray for Ember
Someone on this list had the same thing with low white blood cell count, and she said that Immuno-regulin brought it back up. I am almost positive that is what she said brought it up, anyway. She wrote about it many months after the fact and the wbc was still normal. You can order Immuno-regulin through Revival Animal Health. I just ordered some today for Lucy's URI, as I have had luck with it helping my positivecats get over bad URI's and pneumonia before. Michelle
Re: FIP
see my other post--as others have said, the only real way to diagnose FIP is post-morten. the titre test proves nothing more than that the cat has been exposed to one of the many corona virii--and a cat can have a very high corona titre one week because there's a new uri in the house, and a normal (?) one the following week. a high corona titre in a cat means nothing in terms of FIP, anymore than a high corona titre in a human means they have SARS (which seems to be a similar mutation) FIP is the worst cat disease, i feel--no preventing it, no predicting who'll get it, no treatment once they do lots of new info in the past few years, lots of research going on, so hopefully this will NOT be true in a few more years. On 10/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to add that the lab that did the screening on Dukee said he had the Feline Corona Virusgo figure. Yet they say he isn't or is positive for FIP. I'm really screwed up now... :( In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:54:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Corona virus is highly contagious through feces and saliva… and it's very common for cats to have – but FIP is not contagious. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FYI: Weird guy visiting online cat groups
It sounds very much like the guy who was on the FIV list for a while either last year or early this year. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys,I belong to the yahoo hyper-T group as well (forJulie), and we recently had a very strange experiencewith this weird guy. He joined the group and madefriends for a week or so. He seemed very legitimateand concerned about his cat. Then he started writingstrange things, and ended up attacking people with hisposts and writing very disturbing, profane, and cruelthings about the members and cats in general. He keptjoining the group under new names and the moderatorskept booting him, so now they've had to set all newmember posts to being moderated so that we can keephim out of the group. One of the ladies in thehyper-T group surprised me by saying that the tone andcontent of his posts sound a lot like other postswritten to another online cat group (FIV) recently,and that he may just be some sort of sicko who doesthis with his obviously large amount of free time. The sad thing is he started flirting with this ladywho lives alone and is on disability and she fellright into it, and they were posting a lot of personalOT posts back and forth through the site. This guyneeds help. I just wanted to warn you guys in case wehave any weirdos show up here. I know I probablydon't need to remind you guys but please be carefulwith posting your personal info. to anyone untilyou've known them a long while. You are all suchwonderful people, I would hate for any of you to behurt in any way through our wonderful site. If hedoes show up, the best thing to do with this type ofperson is to completely ignore them instead ofresponding to them, which is how they get theirjollies.:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
more on Lucy
Of course, now Lucy has diarrhea too. I do not know if it is because I gave her baby food, or because I gave her Lysine (her IBD flaring up) or if it is just the fever doing it. I was going to cut down on her pred because it can be counterproductive to fighting an infection or virus, but now I don't want to because her IBD may be flaring up as well. Should I give her flagyl, which normally helps the IBD, on top of the Clavamox she is on? Michelle
Re: Tsunade
Good for you Chelsea. Love that little kitty. Kudos to you for doing all you can for her. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tsunade si feeling better today as she is eating and drinking and runnning about. I have not actually seen her pee, but I think she had her butt hanging ove rthe side. Since I moved the litter box, she has been using it without any problems. She was not stressed or lethergic when she got vaccinated and fixed. I get paid on the 1st so I will use that money to take her to the vet if she does not stay well. I will try the Innova brand cat foods. She is loved very much, last night I stayed with her and she layed on my chest for an hour doing the paw-grab- mush-mush thing (when cats kneed like they did to get milk). She has also adjusted well to a leash and gets regular walks outside, she was an outdoor cat for who knows how long. The only way I would have to give her up is if she got really sick and was having accidents all the time or her vet expenses get too high. My last cat Oliver was 15 and very sick with kidney problems, he peed, did diarhea, and puked everywhere in the house (untill he had to stay on the porch all the time). He ruined my matteress (because of allergies he was not supposed to be inn my room but snuck in while I was in the shower). I love my cats but if they are that sick, its a household rule that they must stay on the porch (it is a big room with easy to clean tile floors) or be in an outdoor enclosed (with top layer) fence. I live with my mother and her husband until I graduate and my mother said I should have given her up (put to sleep), because she is Leuk and I barely have enough money to afford a cat who did not have any medical problems. She was dumped and I fell in love with her. I will love her as long as she lives, be it 1 year or 11. Chelsea __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: please pray for Ember
I sent this yesterday, but it never showed up in my inbox. I sent it off list to Lance, but I haven't heard from him. Did anyone get this message? I'm going to look through the posts I've saved on IR and see if I can find the post that Michelle's talking about. It makes sense that it might boost wbc, depending on what is causing the problem. Big hugs and prayers to Lance and Ember, Nina Dearest Lance, I was just thinking about you and your kitties today, wondering how you guys were doing since we hadn't heard from you in a while. This is not the sort of news I was looking for! I wish I knew more about what the low wbc indicates. It seems to me that you must have caught it quickly, (always a good thing), since Ember is feeling and looking good. I think the TF couldn't hurt. It's suppose to be an immune modulator, rather than booster. What did your vet suggest to boost her wbc? I'll keep checking around. Hopefully our list members will have some advice for you. My prayers and thoughts are with you, Nina I did a quick search and found this: WBC is an abbreviation for white blood cell count. These cells help fight infection and respond when an area of the body becomes inflamed. Elevated white blood cell counts indicate infection, inflammation and some forms of cancer or leukemia. Low white blood cells counts can indicate viral infections, bone marrow abnormalities or overwhelming infections and sepsis (blood poisoning). In this situation, the white blood cells are concentrated in the area of infection and are not circulating in the blood, resulting in a low count. There are several types of white blood cells in blood, including neutrophils (PMNs), lymphocytes, monocytes, eosinophils and basophils. Lymphocytes are produced in lymph nodes throughout the body. The other white blood cell types are produced in the bone marrow along with the red blood cells and platelets. The majority of white blood cells in circulation are neutrophils, which help the animal fight infections. Neutrophils can be decreased in pets with bone marrow disease, in some viral diseases, and in some pets receiving cancer chemotherapy drugs. Neutrophils are increased in pets with inflammation or infection of any part of the body and in pets receiving prednisone or other cortisone-type drugs. Lymphocytes also help fight infection and produce antibodies against infectious agents (viruses, bacteria, etc.). Lymphocytes may be increased in puppies and kittens with an infection, they can be decreased in pets who are severely stressed, and lymphocytes might be lost in some types of diarrhea. Certain drugs, such as prednisone (a cortisone-type drug) will decrease the number of lymphocytes in the blood stream. Monocytes may be increased in pets with chronic infections. Eosinophils and basophils are increased in pets with allergic diseases, or parasitic infections (worms, fleas, etc.). This was on a site talking about FIV cats. I don't know if felv kitties have cyclical low wbcs or not: Some FIVinfected cats have recurrent illness interspersed with periods of relative health between episodes. In those cases, low white blood cell counts and anemia also appear to cycle, with episodes of low cell counts followed by recovery to nearly normal levels. However, the overall trend seems to be progressive, with cell counts dropping lower with each subsequent episode. Lance wrote: I took Ember in today for a routine check with our allopathic vet. She's been doing really well, though I wasn't sure about her weight. It turned out that she's gained back the weight she lost from her bout with diarrhea early in the Summer. She actually weighs more than she ever did. Fat and happy! All seemed well. Unfortunately, the blood work told a different story. While Ember's red blood cells are doing great, her white blood cell count is extremely low. I think it was 3.6 or 3.7 (3600 or 3700), which is almost half of what it was when she went in four months ago, and half of what would be considered normal. Needless to say, I now know what the phrase, "breaking out in a cold sweat" means, because I experienced it right there as the vet was talking to me. I'd put it in second place only to when I got the first positive FeLV test for her. As, I'd guess, everyone here knows, it's a horrible feeling. I ask your prayers for my girl. Any advice you might have would also be great. Up until the time of her diarrhea episode, I was giving her Transfer Factor Feline Formula. I stopped it then, and we haven't done it since. Should I look at the TF+ or TF Classic human formulas instead? God bless you and all of your furry friends. Lance
Re: more on Lucy
I'm just catching up with your posts about Lucy. I was feeling a little better until I got to this one. Your sweet Lucy is such a delicate flower. I hate to think of forcing more medications on her and I've got it in my head from somewhere that flagil is an esp harsh med. Is there any way to assist feed her her regular diet? What do you have her on now? Could you blend whatever it is up enough and mix it with water so you could syringe her? I'm betting she's got diarrhea from the whatever is making her feel lousy, the stress of the vet visit and the change in diet. I think I'd hold off on any more meds until you see how she responds to the IM. Trying to keep her stools normal is probably not as important as keeping her system as strong as it can be to battle whatever is causing the fever. You know I feel for you. This just sucks. Many prayers for you and Lucy, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, now Lucy has diarrhea too. I do not know if it is because I gave her baby food, or because I gave her Lysine (her IBD flaring up) or if it is just the fever doing it. I was going to cut down on her pred because it can be counterproductive to fighting an infection or virus, but now I don't want to because her IBD may be flaring up as well. Should I give her flagyl, which normally helps the IBD, on top of the Clavamox she is on? Michelle
FIP - thanks MC
Thanks again MC for another informed and easily understandable post about a very scary subject. I go around quoting you all the time. I sent this to Sally Foster, (remember her from the list?). She just lost another one under a year old, poor thing has lost so many this year. She suspects that Peppurr, her latest loss, had FIP. I seem to remember a vet telling me that it usually develops in geriatric cats, or cats under a year. Is that your experience? Nina TenHouseCats wrote: marta, FIP is currently considered to be a mutated corona virus--so the corona virus is contagious (they estimate something like 80-90% of cats in a multi-cat environment will have been exposed to it and show a high titre--roughly the same percentage of humans will show a titre, too, as the corona virii are such common causes of uris in many species...). the mutation, however, is neither predictable nor preventable.
Re: please pray for Ember
I got the first post. It seems like the list is kind of srewed up for almost everyone in terms of what order things show up in and how long they take. Has anyone told the list owner? Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2006 12:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I sent this yesterday, but it never showed up in my inbox. I sent it off list to Lance, but I haven't heard from him. Did anyone get this message? I'm going to look through the posts I've saved on IR and see if I can find the post that Michelle's talking about. It makes sense that it might boost wbc, depending on what is causing the problem.Big hugs and prayers to Lance and Ember,Nina
Re: more on Lucy
My mom asked me the same thing just now-- why I force fed her baby food rather than blending up her normal turkey diet. I have no idea. I just did not think of it. I will definitely do that from now on. Thanks. flagyl actually seems to really help her get over IBD flare-ups. I just learned that a couple of months ago. It helps more than anything else, it seems, even more than raising the pred dosage. But right now I think I will focus on her fever/URI. She is on clavamox for that, and hopefully will get I-R tomorrow (is that what you meant when you said IM?). I will go from there. She walked around and rubbed and purred for a bit after fluids, but now is sleeping in an odd position. Poor baby, she is pretty knocked out by this. Her nose is bubbling now, though, so I do think it's a URI. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2006 12:19:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm just catching up with your posts about Lucy. I was feeling a little better until I got to this one. Your sweet Lucy is such a delicate flower. I hate to think of forcing more medications on her and I've got it in my head from somewhere that flagil is an esp harsh med. Is there any way to assist feed her her regular diet? What do you have her on now? Could you blend whatever it is up enough and mix it with water so you could syringe her? I'm betting she's got diarrhea from the whatever is making her feel lousy, the stress of the vet visit and the change in diet. I think I'd hold off on any more meds until you see how she responds to the IM. Trying to keep her stools normal is probably not as important as keeping her system as strong as it can be to battle whatever is causing the fever.You know I feel for you. This just sucks. Many prayers for you and Lucy,Nina
Re: FIP - thanks MC
seems to happen a lot in kittens around 6-8 months; after that, i haven't seen much of a pattern. but since it's a mutation, and i haven't seen any research on what triggers it, i'm not sure if a declining immune system makes geriatric kitties more susceptible. personally, i don't know of any FIP cats who were more than 3 or 4 years old so much happens to kittens about the time mom's immunities wear out--in the sanctuary, it was the most dangerous time for those born with FeLV; don't know if that plays into the high rate of FIP in that age as well so hard to know what's causative and what's coincidence... (makes sense that when mom's immunities start to wear off in FeLVs, the virus activates--but what explains the other pattern we saw at the sanctuary that the next highest period of illness occurring in FeLV-born cats is about 18-22 months) sherry, maybe you can weigh in with this about doc jen's experiences at crash's landing/sid's place MC On 10/24/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again MC for another informed and easily understandable post about a very scary subject. I go around quoting you all the time. I sent this to Sally Foster, (remember her from the list?). She just lost another one under a year old, poor thing has lost so many this year. She suspects that Peppurr, her latest loss, had FIP. I seem to remember a vet telling me that it usually develops in geriatric cats, or cats under a year. Is that your experience? Nina TenHouseCats wrote: marta, FIP is currently considered to be a mutated corona virus--so the corona virus is contagious (they estimate something like 80-90% of cats in a multi-cat environment will have been exposed to it and show a high titre--roughly the same percentage of humans will show a titre, too, as the corona virii are such common causes of uris in many species...). the mutation, however, is neither predictable nor preventable. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FYI: Weird guy visiting online cat groups
yeppers! but that's the only way this whole thing works--being there for one another (in michigan, there's a small group of us who sort of schedule our burn-outs/breakdowns, so that at least one of us is coherent and competent at all times) On 10/24/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't usually have problems with wackos on this list. Er, well not this sort of wacko anyway. I know my friends and family consider me a little wacko, but in a nice wacko sort of way. You do have to be careful about posting personal info. We sometimes forget that everything we write to each other is available to anyone with internet access. Also remember, if you give out your phone number you have to be prepared to get teary eyed calls about the woes of rescue, (isn't that right MC?) Nina TenHouseCats wrote: hee hee--and be REALLY careful if you establish relationships with people outside of the list. you might end up in endless IMs with photos of cute kitties and gorgeous gems and minerals, or finding crow experts for folks... (barb and nina, you know who you are!) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Ember and IR
Okay, I think I found it. Unfortunately it doesn't give us much information, but it does give a little hope: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris) When my Tucson was first diagnosed last year, her white blood cell count was very low. Vet gave her a series of immuno-regulin shots it shot back up. She developed a UTI months later again her wbc went down-another series of shots it went back up. He also put her on some vitamins, immuno-support vitamin c. Dont know what did it but it worked. I have not seen any posts about immuno-regulin but my vet seems to like it has found it useful. I too would like to hear about anyone elses experiences with it Nina wrote: I sent this yesterday, but it never showed up in my inbox. I sent it off list to Lance, but I haven't heard from him. Did anyone get this message? I'm going to look through the posts I've saved on IR and see if I can find the post that Michelle's talking about. It makes sense that it might boost wbc, depending on what is causing the problem. Big hugs and prayers to Lance and Ember, Nina
Kris and Gabriel
Hi Kris, This is a beautiful story, so many negative stories about kids these days, this is really heartening. Tell us about the new kitten, what does he look like? I lost a little kitten four days after bringing her home. I think that it's so hard, because it's so unfair. Our adult cats hurt so deeply to lose, but maybe because we let our guard down with the kittens more, because they are supposed to be healthy and vibrant, I don't know. I am sorry for your loss and your pain. I hope that the care and concern of the other little ones in your life helps to ease that pain. My friend back in Missouri teaches third grade and in a sharing session she had with them she started it offby telling them about my cats getting stolen in my car - every kid after that, even the ones that had been dying to tell news about themselves/their families, asked more questions about me and my cats. Kim said that it was amazing. Something about kids and animals just clicks. Leslie Kris Kulak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone, It's been almost a week without Luna. I still hurt, but have had something wonderful come out of this. I teach, and when I found out last Friday my little Luna's prognosis, I had a classroom full of students; my third period. They saw my reaction (I'm terrible at hiding how I feel). They had a ton of questions which I answered. Anyway, the weekend passed and on Monday, they wanted to know how Luna was. I told them. They were so sympathetic and all wanted to hug me (they're 6th graders) that it made me cry. The following day, Tuesday, I had a bunch of homemade sympathy cards. Also, one student brought me a dozen roses and a homemade card which he and his mom signed. To let you know how much more wonderful they are, apparently, behind my back, they were plotting to get me another kitty. The guidance counselor wanted to know if I was going to do something with cats in my class because many kids were asking her about them. Anyway, it turns out that one student had a kitten left from a litter that they couldn't find a home for. The kids decided that would be my new cat. The child along with her parents brought the kitten to my house Tuesday evening. How sweet is that? It's so nice to know that so many people care. I named him Gabriel after God's messenger angel. I felt the name was appropriate. I students were all angels and the kitty is a wonderful gift.Kris
Re: more on Lucy
Yes, I meant IR, not IM. This isn't the first time your mom and I have been on the same page :). I'm glad to hear Lucy was rubbing and purring, that's a good sign. Don't worry about her sleeping more than usual, she needs her rest, poor little sprite! Do you have "Little Noses" in the house, just in case? When Spencer was blowing his nose all over the house I gave him Phenylephrine (rx) diluted with 5 parts saline. It doesn't sound like she needs anything as strong as that and the Little Noses are made to be gentle enough for children. If you feel it's necessary for her congestion, I'd try that first. Hang in there girl, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My mom asked me the same thing just now-- why I force fed her baby food rather than blending up her normal turkey diet. I have no idea. I just did not think of it. I will definitely do that from now on. Thanks. flagyl actually seems to really help her get over IBD flare-ups. I just learned that a couple of months ago. It helps more than anything else, it seems, even more than raising the pred dosage. But right now I think I will focus on her fever/URI. She is on clavamox for that, and hopefully will get I-R tomorrow (is that what you meant when you said IM?). I will go from there. She walked around and rubbed and purred for a bit after fluids, but now is sleeping in an odd position. Poor baby, she is pretty knocked out by this. Her nose is bubbling now, though, so I do think it's a URI. Thanks, Michelle
Re: urgent--please pray for Lucy
Michelle, You and Lucy are in my thoughts. After all of the fighting that you've done for this sweet girl, I hope that this battle will be in your pocket and behind you shortly. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: urgent--please pray for Lucy She is very sick. It started last night. We have a vet appointment at 9:30locally, can not get an internist appointment. It is not her IBD-- her bowelsare normal. But she has stopped eating, does not want me to touch her (she is usually all over me) and has that dull sick look in her eyes. No URIsymptoms.She looks pink to me. Which makes me very scared that it is something likecancer or leukemia. There are no internist appointments at either place in NJ for a week.They said I can go in through the emergency room and wait foran internist. I hate doing that. When I did that with Ginger it took them 4daysto figure out she had neurological problems. One place said to go to my localvet, get tests done, and have them call to try to convince an internisttosqueeze her in.Michelle
Re: Ember and IR
This is just from my own experience so far with Smokey. The first CBC he had done with the old vet showed low wbc and platelets. This is when they decided to test him again for feline leukemia. I started him on the immuno-regulin and had another CBC done about a month 1/2 ago and all of his blood work was in the normal range this time. So I don't know if it was the immuno-regulin or not. All I do know is that his blood work was better this last time and he hasn't had anymore fevers since March of this year. I hope this might. Cindy Reasoner --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I think I found it. Unfortunately it doesn't give us much information, but it does give a little hope: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris) When my Tucson was first diagnosed last year, her white blood cell count was very low. Vet gave her a series of immuno-regulin shots it shot back up. She developed a UTI months later again her wbc went down-another series of shots it went back up. He also put her on some vitamins, immuno-support vitamin c. Don't know what did it but it worked. I have not seen any posts about immuno-regulin but my vet seems to like it has found it useful I too would like to hear about anyone else's experiences with it... Nina wrote: I sent this yesterday, but it never showed up in my inbox. I sent it off list to Lance, but I haven't heard from him. Did anyone get this message? I'm going to look through the posts I've saved on IR and see if I can find the post that Michelle's talking about. It makes sense that it might boost wbc, depending on what is causing the problem. Big hugs and prayers to Lance and Ember, Nina __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: more on Lucy
I do have Little Noses. But her congestion itself is not terrible. I just mentioned it because it is further evidence that this is a URI. Though I guess it might be the congestion, rather than the fever, that is making her not want to eat. Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2006 1:03:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I meant IR, not IM. This isn't the first time your mom and I have been on the same page :). I'm glad to hear Lucy was rubbing and purring, that's a good sign. Don't worry about her sleeping more than usual, she needs her rest, poor little sprite! Do you have "Little Noses" in the house, just in case? When Spencer was blowing his nose all over the house I gave him Phenylephrine (rx) diluted with 5 parts saline. It doesn't sound like she needs anything as strong as that and the Little Noses are made to be gentle enough for children. If you feel it's necessary for her congestion, I'd try that first. Hang in there girl, Nina
Re: FIP - thanks MC
I see it usually in kittens between 5 and 10 months. I have a geriatric cat (18) who remains tough and healthy. I have seen it too much in rescue kittens but so far always those under a year. It seems to be triggered by some stressor, very often -- but not always -- hitting within a month of spay/neuter surgery or rehoming. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seems to happen a lot in kittens around 6-8 months; after that, ihaven't seen much of a pattern. but since it's a mutation, and ihaven't seen any research on what triggers it, i'm not sure if adeclining immune system makes geriatric kitties more susceptible.personally, i don't know of any FIP cats who were more than 3 or 4years oldso much happens to kittens about the time mom's immunities wearout--in the sanctuary, it was the most dangerous time for those bornwith FeLV; don't know if that plays into the high rate of FIP in thatage as well so hard to know what's causative and what'scoincidence...(makes sense that when mom's immunities start to wear off in FeLVs,the virus activates--but what explains the other pattern we saw at thesanctuary that the next highest period of illness occurring inFeLV-born cats is about 18-22 months)sherry, maybe you can weigh in with this about doc jen's experiencesat crash's landing/sid's placeMCOn 10/24/06, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Thanks again MC for another informed and easily understandable post about a very scary subject. I go around quoting you all the time. I sent this to Sally Foster, (remember her from the list?). She just lost another one under a year old, poor thing has lost so many this year. She suspects that Peppurr, her latest loss, had FIP. I seem to remember a vet telling me that it usually develops in geriatric cats, or cats under a year. Is that your experience? Nina TenHouseCats wrote: marta, FIP is currently considered to be a mutated corona virus--so the corona virus is contagious (they estimate something like 80-90% of cats in a multi-cat environment will have been exposed to it and show a high titre--roughly the same percentage of humans will show a titre, too, as the corona virii are such common causes of uris in many species...). the mutation, however, is neither predictable nor preventable.-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Marta and Suzette - sleepy kitten syndrome?
Hi Marta, I have a friend in rescue with a kitty that acts the same way as your Suzette. Marigold seems healthy, test results don't indicate anything, but she sleeps all the time and doesn't play like other kittens do. She's about a year old now and hasn't grown out of it or showed any more serious symptoms. She's just the sweetest little mush pile, but it is troubling. Let us know if you figure out what's going on. Bless your heart, Nina marta gasper wrote: I hadn't gotten to all posts either so I might be offf on some things; first of all my condolences on Mishka 's passing. Your loving care and big hopes surely made her short life a good one and you'll see her again. I noticed all she wants to do is sleep post. I've a rescue that we including vet are puzzled over. She's fine according to tests and exams_except for an injured paw that's healed_she eats/useslitterbox normally but she sleeps almost always, once we stopped petting her/is done eating, etc she'll fall asleep. She'll be six months at the end of the week and no way she's an hyper (in the way that kittens are) teenager like her siblings. I thought anemia? Nope all cells are there, all organs function fine. According to more experienced rescuers she isn't mentally retarded but I'm not sure of that. She follows laser light, dangling toys, etc with interest, even strechts out a paw to touch but that's it, then will fall sleep again. All are spayed so I had them rechecked in case something went wrong but wasn't post surgery trauma either. All three are panleuk survivors (feral kits rescued at 3 and 4 months) out of a litter of 5. Nanette who almost died made it but has a scarred lung, she makes all kinds of noises breathing but vet said it's just tissue that 'flaps', it might go away as she grows up. Second kitten Juliette is somewhat social and playful, no problems at all, then there's Suzette (maybe the runt? She's the smallest) who sleeps all the time. Three vets saw them, I might get S to a cat hospital, OTOH I'm afraid they'll tell me it is FIP as that's what happened to another last year that's a plump jolly housecat now and did not have FIP. [tho he did have some tell tale symptoms, turned out to be organ damage and he recovered, he's FIV+, though] Maybe it's some trauma from being motherless when tiny (mom came back but they had to hold their own for a week) And another thing that caught my eye; FIP isn't contagious? Or you mean FIP isn't, but corona is? Thank-you! Marta
Triaminic
I just want to make a plug for Triaminic cold and allergy (the bright orange one). A friend whose wife is a vet (in HI, alas) recommended to me a long time ago with Ginger to give .2 (point 2, not 2) ml of this every 8 hours to help with congestion. It helped a lot with Ginger-- got her eating again. So I just gave some to Lucy about 30 minutes ago and she did just eat a few pieces of her turkey mixture just now for me. I think it works pretty well for congestion and runny nose. Whether it will further screw up her IBD intestines remains to be seen. Michelle
Re: more on Lucy
Michelle, Do you know how Lucy got a URI? Is she indoor only? Do you work with other cats? Just curious, always looking to protectmy troublemakers. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: more on Lucy I do have Little Noses. But her congestion itself is not terrible. I justmentioned it because it is further evidence that this is a URI.Though Iguessit might be the congestion, rather than the fever, that is making her not want to eat.Michelle
Re: more on Lucy
She goes outside under our supervision. We have cat fence on the fence tops to keep them in, but because we live near a road I still get nervous letting them out without supervision. Plus she hunts if unsupervised. The weather recently got cold here, and maybe we were not keeping the heat up enough. It was 63 degrees in the house when I checked the other day. In the spring that would be warm, but I think after the summer it feels cold. Today I have it up to 73, which is warmer than I would usually keep it, but I want to keep her warm. I also have a space heater on, though she is not laying near it. Other than that, I don't know. Their immune systems are weak because of the FeLV. Many cats always carry herpes virus, which can cause URI, and it just rears its head every once in a while when their immune system goes down from stress or something else. .Lucy is on steroids for IBD and has been for a few months now. That can encourage Herpes. Also, someone came to clean the furnace the other day, and she got scared and hid in the ceiling for a few hours. Perhaps the stress lowered her immune system further. I don't know. I do not volunteer at a shelter anymore, and do not remember seeing other cats recently. But who knows. I was at my parents' house last week and they have two cats; they are not sick, but they go outside, and maybe they are carrying something. But in my experience talking to other people, even people with single indoor-only FeLV+ cats still report that they get colds every once in a while. I just hope that is all Lucy has. Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2006 2:03:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, Do you know how Lucy got a URI? Is she indoor only? Do you work with other cats? Just curious, always looking to protectmy troublemakers. Leslie
My email is messing up again
I just wanted you to know I may be out of touch again. Something screwy is going on with my email. I just got it working so I can receive emails again, (I think). I'm pretty upset. Somehow all emails sent and received have been deleted, including any unopened and previously saved emails. I'm a blank slate and not liking it one little bit. If I don't respond, I'm probably not able to connect. I hate being out of touch with you guys! Nina
Lucy and taking temps
Well, Lucy ate a whole bowl of her turkey and her ears were cooler, so I took her temp and it is down to 103.1 (from 104.5 this morning and early afternoon), knock on wood. But she squirmed a lot while I had the thermometer in her, and I used one of those thin plastic disposable sheaths on the thermometer for the first time. When I took the thermometer out there was a tiny bit of bright red blood on her rectum, and a little bit along the seam of the plastic sheath. Not a lot-- I would guess, if put together, it was a drop or two. She has licked her rectum several times since then, though. There is no blood on it at this point, but I am worried that I might have hurt her with the thermometer. Has anyone ever seen a little blood on the thermometer of the rectum afterwards? I would think that if I had really hurt her she would have meowed or made a noise of some kind, but I am worried nonetheless. She did go and eat half a bowl of turkey right afterwards. Thanks, Michelle
Sleepy kitten+
Thank-you very much for the clarification on corona virus and FIP, everybody.**She's just the sweetest little mush pile** that's what S is allright, and shereacts tobeing moved (ie when I'm cleaning the cage and must remove her bedding I sort of pick her up) not by squirming or tryng to get down but just hangs in my hand limp, when I set her down she growls and closes her eyes. Can Marigold be petted? Does she purrr/knead or other? We pet S and she purrs, turns on her back to have her belly rubbed and paws knead the air, she might stare at us dreamingly. Stop the pet and she curls up and goes to sleep..My cousin has a kitty rescued as a kittenfrom a barn cat situation. Tippy ismiddle age nowand she acts in a similar way, never meows, growls, sleep lots, doesn't play and she's healthy. I never wondered about it b/c I met Tippy when she was about 2 yrs..somehow I though a kitten that didn't play even if feral was a sick kitten, maybe not? I'll let everybody know what we find out and Nina, thanks for telling me about MarigoldMarta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
RE: My email is messing up again
Darn. I know how that goes my dear. I'm having multiple problems too. My PC at home as you know only gets the list email 2-3 times a week and all out of order. My mac at home that I usually only use in UK, and to which I turned to last night, sends email but isn't receiving. And, I can't get on the ISP web site to try and retrieve mail from this computer, because the links just won't open. Aaaargh! Hope you get sorted out soon --we need you so much! Hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: My email is messing up again I just wanted you to know I may be out of touch again. Something screwy is going on with my email. I just got it working so I can receive emails again, (I think). I'm pretty upset. Somehow all emails sent and received have been deleted, including any unopened and previously saved emails. I'm a blank slate and not liking it one little bit. If I don't respond, I'm probably not able to connect. I hate being out of touch with you guys! Nina IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: please pray for Ember
Hi Nina, Thank you for your kind words and the info you looked up. It matches some of the things I found about low wbc. Unfortunately, my vet didn't have any sort of recommendation, other than to come back in a month. One thing that will likely remind you of a recent post from Michelle regarding Lucy... about two weeks ago, my parents discovered that our new air unit wasn't heating properly, so someone was called in to fix it. When I got home from work, I opened my door to find NO EMBER ANYWHERE. The rooms were extremely hot, and there was a distinct and powerful heater smell in the air. I found Ember under the bed in the other room, smashed as close to the wall as possible. Now, whenever the heat comes on (and there's a rumbly noise that precedes it), Ember runs for the other room and usually goes under the bed. Perhaps the stress is playing a role, as similar heater stress may be playing a role with Lucy. Also, I'm worried that, when I discontinued giving Ember the Transfer Factor Feline Formula during the initial diarrhea problem last May, that I pulled away an important support. I'm really hoping that DMG and TF on top of her usual interferon will help. Lance Nina wrote: Dearest Lance, I was just thinking about you and your kitties today, wondering how you guys were doing since we hadn't heard from you in a while. This is not the sort of news I was looking for! I wish I knew more about what the low wbc indicates. It seems to me that you must have caught it quickly, (always a good thing), since Ember is feeling and looking good. I think the TF couldn't hurt. It's suppose to be an immune modulator, rather than booster. What did your vet suggest to boost her wbc? I'll keep checking around. Hopefully our list members will have some advice for you. My prayers and thoughts are with you, Nina
Re: Ember and IR
Hi Nina and Cindy, Thanks for the info and anecdotal experience. I know that my vet uses IR with dogs. I'm assuming he uses it for the skin problem that is its on label purpose. I'm not sure if he'd go for IR with Ember, but if we don't see better results in a month, I'm going to press him on it. I might actually call him this week to get his mind on it. Thank you, Lance
Re: please pray for Ember-Wendy
Hi Wendy, I'm guessing that a persistent low white blood cell count leaves Ember (or any other animal in that boat) open to infection from otherwise harmless germs. Please pray that I'll be guided in the right treatment of Ember to bring her wbc levels back up... that this isn't a precursor to her immune system failing completely, and that, in the meantime, she won't come into contact with anything in her seclusion that could give her a secondary illness. I appreciate your thoughts and prayers, Lance
Re: urgent--please pray for Lucy
Lucy will be in my prayers. Take care. Lance
Re: Need immediate thoughts for Satch and Beatrix
Leslie,This is just horrible. I am so behind on my mail.. I hope that I read that you have found them! Prayers to you all.tonyaLeslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please bear with me here in writing this, I didn't know how hard it would be to put into words.I spend my weekends at my boyfriend's house and take the cats with me (they love him and his dog, and I don't like leaving them). Monday mornings I pack everything up including the cats, go back in to say goodbye to Ed, and then drive the 20 minutes home. This morning I loaded in my groceries, my school books, the cats, go back in kiss Ed goodbye, grab my breakfast in a tupperware from the fridge and go back outside to find someone in my car backing it out of the driveway. The doors were unlocked, but there was no key inside it, so they must have hotwired it. I ran at the car backing up, yelling, "hey" and "get out" and banging on the windshield, I in fact, smashed the tupperware against it, having no other weapons (eggs went everywhere), but they kept going. I yelled that there are cats in there, but they didn't stop. Ed heard me yelling and by the time I got back inside, he was on the phone with 911. As indoor cats they don't wear collars, though both are microchipped. They ride well in the car as long as they're loose, so they were loose. I don't know which is more likely, them to get thrown out, or to be kept in. Satch is probably talkingthe thief'sear off because he didn't get fed before we left. I am so scared that they'll have been thrown out. Satch is a big guy, was found on the streets, he can handle what is likely to present itself to him, but the kittenoh you guys, I'm so scared. I would have thought they'd be a theft deterrant. He threw my book bag out the window across from a nearby park, I have no idea why that item of all that he could have (my overnight bag, grocery bags, etc), and figure that it's God's way of saying that even through this stress I still have to study. ha. Ironically the 20 lb biology book was probably the most valuable item in the car, not that its street value would amount to much. Naturally, I've spent the morning searching that area to see if the cats might have been tossed there, too, but haven't found anything. Satch knows his name and comes to it, so I hope that they at least stay together. Pray that the police call ( I have Ed's cell phone, mine was in the car, but maybe they'll be able to use it's tracking device to locate it ), and pray that they have good news. Picture Satch and Beatrix oblivious to my concerns and sleeping on the back seat, or hanging out on a nice porch waiting for me to find them. Pray that they not be stressed, but get back to me after a harmless adventure on their end. please pray that I see them again and that they are unharmed. Thank you all so much, Leslie
Re: please pray for Ember-Wendy
Lance, I urge you to address this now. You have a much better chance of resolving the problem while Ember is still feeling good and eating. It was good fortune that you had blood work done even though you had no reason to suspect she was ill. I don't understand why your vet would tell you to wait a month and see if it resolves itself with a felv kitty. Why did he have you run the test if he wasn't going to do anything if the results spelled trouble? I'm feeling esp sensitive right now about my pushy nature. I just got rudely told off regarding a Pit Bull puppy that is being neglected. I almost didn't write to you with my always present opinion. Don't take offense, but I wouldn't wait and hope she gets better on her own. Nina Lance wrote: Hi Wendy, I'm guessing that a persistent low white blood cell count leaves Ember (or any other animal in that boat) open to infection from otherwise harmless germs. Please pray that I'll be guided in the right treatment of Ember to bring her wbc levels back up... that this isn't a precursor to her immune system failing completely, and that, in the meantime, she won't come into contact with anything in her seclusion that could give her a secondary illness. I appreciate your thoughts and prayers, Lance
Re: Kerry - who did you lose?
Kerry,I'm so sorry for your loss of Tom Cat. So sad. At least he had you. I don't know the rhyme or reason either, but I have to believe there is a reason. take care, tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Kerry, how very sad about Tom Cat. You know, his letting you get closer might have had something to do with his being sick too. I'm so sorry he and you had to go through all that trauma together, only to lose him anyway. I don't know Kerry, sometimes I just scratch my head in dismay at the why of things. I believe there is a reason for everything. My sister thinks that everything is just random happenstance. Either way, it's what we do with the circumstances of our life that makes us who we are and effects all those around us. You can rest assured that you are effecting others in the best of ways with your limitless compassion. I'm so sorry honey. It does sound like everything was conspiring against you to save Tom Cat. I think the important thing, at least for him, was that someone cared enough about him to try. I'm sure he's grateful to you for all you did, even if he didn't agree with it at the time.Keep your chin up sweetie, you're getting into Heaven for sure,Blessings and hugs to you,NinaKerry Roach wrote: Michelle, I sent this to Nina..and I don't know for sure if I put all the info down as it was quite a long week...He (Tom Cat) was my barn cat..wild as can be... He was hit by a car..received a broken jaw then ended up having all sorts of problems.. Thanks for asking...Glad to hear Lucy is doing much better...I have Inky down to 5mg pred for now...and he is eating chicken K/D along with his turkey, but I put his pills in tsp of fancy feast.. Take care, Kerry
Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ test
I'm way behind on my mail, but let me know how the tests turn out. It sounds like Oreo was exposed, tested positive, and then fought off the virus. If that is the case, then, NO, he won't get it again. Good luck!tKathi Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya. I'll try to make this whole thing clearer for you.I had a roommate who brought Ellie with her when she moved in. Kim, my roommate, said she'd been tested for disease but she hadn't been. When she finally had her tested, Ellie tested postive. By that time, all of my cats had been exposed to Ellie and Oreo had a lot of direct contact with Ellie. So I took all 5 of my cats in to be tested on 6/1/06 and only Oreo tested positive, a light positive. On 6/23/06, Oreo had an IFA that was negative, just 22 days later. I had Ellie and Oreo retested this past Friday, 10/13/06. Am anxious to get the results back on Wednesday or Thursday. My vet said this test will be definitive and I can trust these results. I only hope they're negative.KathiFrom: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: timing on FeLV+ testDate: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT)I'm sorry. I just don't understand. Are you saying Ellie was always positive. She gave it to Oreo and he tested positive, but now he's negative? I don't know if your vet knows what he's doing. If he tested positive on Elissa and then tested negative a month later I take that as a negative. Others on the list know more about this. How and when was Ellie tested, and how do you know that Oreo was negative and caught it from her? I guess I missed your first post. It just doesn't really happen that a negative catches felv from a positive and tests positive and then tests negative and would then 'catch' it again. I guess it could happen, but I have never heard of anything like this. tKathi Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Sorry I'm getting back with you just now.Oreo did get it from Ellie. Oreo was given an IFA test just a month aftertesting positive on the ELISSA. I understand this vet gave the IFA way toosoon, that perhaps the virus didn't have time to even get into the bonemarrow. I've been told by another vet that he could still have it becausehe was re-tested way too soon with the IFA.K From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Are you saying Oreo got it from Ellie, but now he doesn't have it any more?? t Kathi Clark wrote: Thanks, Tonya. This has given me something to think about. I haven't had the other ones tested again and I don't think I will. My vet said if she was in my situation she would retest only if I brought them in for an illness on down the road. If Ellie tests negative on the IFA on October 13, I'll mix her with the others. If she doesn't, I may still integrate her. Is that taking a big risk with the 1-year-olds, though? As I said, Oreo, who's 1, became infected by Ellie and I know if I mix the two again, they'll have a great deal of one-on-one contact. Oreo and Connie have a lot of contact now and if Oreo contracts it again, does that put Connie at risk? Sorry so many questions. I'm just a nervous mother and FeLV is so new to me. I would miss Ellie so if I found her another home and would always be worried if she was happy or not and taken care of. I just am concerned that if she has health issues in the future, I can't financially handle the big vet bills. Perhaps someone else who's better off financially could give her a happy home, too. But the odds of finding someone who is better off financially are small, I know. So, it's just wait and see, like everything else in life. I try not to panic anymore. This is the best site. I've learned more from all of you than I have from my vet. I wonder if she knows she shouldn't have tested Ellie with the IFA so soon after the ELISSA. I don't see that vet any longer. KathiFrom: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:49:35 -0700 (PDT)If I were in your situation I would mix. BUT I would not be second guessing myself if one of the others happens to turn up positive down the line. Unless you've had your other cats recently tested they couled be positive right now. Cats can harbor the virus for years. So in my opinion I would mix if all my other cats' leukemia shots were up to date. After 10 years of no one catching felv from my positives I've stopped vaccinating for it every year. tonyaKathi Clark wrote: Althea, 13 Tabitha, 11 Bear, 5 Oreo, 1 Connie, 1 From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:31:42 -0700 (PDT) How old are the other 5? Kathi Clark wrote: Are you all saying that if my 5 kitties have
Re: GOOD NEWS!!!!!
That is great! I hope Beatrix has returned as well. tSherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is just awesome..Sending many prayers and good thoughts for Beatrix!!! :)Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LESLIE JUST CALLED, SATCHMO IS BACK!Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: (no subject)
Sally,I don't have any advice for you. It sounds like your vet is not so great, and I have no recommendations for vets in that area. Hang in there, and take care of yourself too. tSally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,Everyday that goes by I am more confused. Junior went to the vet today. She treated him for the upper respiratory infection. I though all was good with the world. I called her this evening to let her know how junior was doing. I do think he is still running a temp, but I did not want to upset him anymore. She was preparing me to put him down maybe as soon as tomorrow. I know at least for this moment he is not ready to cross that bridge. I have separated him and Tiny. The other cats are still locked outside the bedrooms. And mostly stay outside for their own safety. I know this group is for the cats, but I am mentally, emotionally,and physically drained.I had reactive hypoglycemia this morning.I have ordered immuno-regulan on Kelly's advice. I now will have to talk the vet into giving it. I printed out the protocol for administering it.Does anyone out there know of vets in the Richmond VA area who may be willing to work with me. My usual vets office is extremely busy.I am too tired to think.SallyPS My server would not send this message last night.Junior seems better this morning. I don't believe he has a fever. I will not put him through that ordeal unless I think there is a problem. Junior and Tiny don;t like each other. They don't fight, but they do growl a lot at each other. For now I will keep them separate. The stress may have benn what precipitated this most recent cold. -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006
