Re: UPDATE:Dukee
May all the angels watch after Dukee and your family tomorrow/today. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: UPDATE:Dukee Okay, I have decided to go forward and have the tube put in Dukee of course with help from a "Good Hearted Member" of this group. God Bless You! My husband stated that he deserves the chance after we had a long discussion. If all goes well he will have it done in the morning. I have high hopes that he does well...I'm praying anyway. I do have to admit I'm a little skiddish putting a kitty under even though it won't be for long. Because of what happen to Taz. Thank you all for your support on this it means a lot to me! Now, I gotta get some much needed rest and check on Dukee! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
I don't feel like you are picking on me at all. All of my critters have chosen me (except for Kitty who chose my mother and father and had to live with me eventually) and I totally agree--decisions made from love can't be wrong. All we can do is what we truly believe is right. I've gone thru this with a number of critters as have most of us. Some I went to the mat with and others I did not. In each case decisions were made on what I was convinced the critter wanted. And, as I have grown, what my friends told me they wanted in a partnership. I pray that whatever is decided with Dukee works. I write only to give another perspective. It is instinct to do everything medically possible and then some. I learned so much from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and what it means to act by doing nothing. These decisions were right for my friends. They may not be right for Dukee. May all the angels watch over him and his family. They are so obviously filled with love. I hope that love walks him thru this. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt PS. Marylyn, I hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you, just trying to give another perspective. Terrie will ultimately make the best decision for Dukee and her. Any decision made out of love can never be wrong. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
I'm glad to know this. I hope I never have to make the decision but it is very good to have the information from people who have been there. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt I have been told that tube feeding actually does not bother them. I have been told that by people who have done it with their cats, and also by vets. Michelle In a message dated 10/27/2006 7:46:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK: Again, this is my opinion. I would not want to be tube feed if all it was going to do was extend my life a little. This has nothing to do with money but with quality of life.
RE: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Thanks Diane for explaining things to me about fatty liver and feeding tubes. My Crackers 20 plus lbs...right now knock on wood is doing very very good but if anything like this fatty liver happens to him and he has a hard time eating the tube sounds like a terrific idea. My son was on a NG tube for the 1st month of his life:) Kayte and Crackers
Re: Recent vaccination vs actual disease re:flu vaccine now flu!!:(
belinda: thanks I woke up and was so dry when I blew my nose I got a nose bleed so now its 5:11 am and I cant sleep! Elizabeth dont get the flu shot if you are allergic to eggsI keep washing my hands and everything...as a mom I'll take the flu as a deal LOL that my son AJ and my "other son" Crackers, oh yeah LOL and hubby dont get sickOh yeah and I WILL NEVER EVER GET another flu shot again! Kayte and Crackers
Re: ot: We Are Seven
I love that peom.It touches something in all who has lost a loved one. Sheila
Re: UPDATE:Dukee
Hi Terrie, I've just been reading the updates. I'm so thrilled to hear that Dukee is still with you. From what you were posting the other night it seemed like he had only moments left with you. Now you have the chance to nudge a miracle along. We all support whatever decisions that you, your husband and Dukee pursue. Please keep us informed as best you can. Many blessings and prayers to see you through this, Nina Okay, I have decided to go forward and have the tube put in Dukee of course with help from a "Good Hearted Member" of this group. God Bless You! My husband stated that he deserves the chance after we had a long discussion. If all goes well he will have it done in the morning. I have high hopes that he does well...I'm praying anyway. I do have to admit I'm a little skiddish putting a kitty under even though it won't be for long. Because of what happen to Taz. Thank you all for your support on this it means a lot to me! Now, I gotta get some much needed rest and check on Dukee!
Re: ot: We Are Seven
It's a great poem. Thanks, Michelle
need advice re: Lucy
Hi, all. Lucy has been doing well getting over her URI-- no fever, no stuffy nose, just a little tiny bit of clear discharge from her nose every now and then. But here is the problem-- she now has frequent liquid diarrhea, threw up this morning, and is not interested in eating more than a few bites. She has been on Clavamox for 4 days (got it this morning and today is her 5th day). The course is 10-14 days. She has IBD so has trouble with her intestines anyway, and I think perhaps the Clavamox is giving her the diarrhea and nausea. I gave her some reglan and force-fed her some of her food blended, and will give her probiotics in about a half hour. My question is whether you think I should take her off the Clavamox now or keep giving it to her. I am wary of taking her off before the end of the course, or at least a week or so of it, because she may have had a bacterial infection and her immune system is compromised by the FeLV and I do not want to set her up for a superinfection. But I really would like to take her off and see if her intestines straighten out. She is walkiing around and rubbing and purring, jumping, etc., but she clearly does not feel well, has lost weight in the last two days, and her fur looks kind of funny (though it is very dry in the house). I am also scared of letting her diarrhea go on for a long time, if it is from the antibiotics, because that is how her IBD started in the first place a year ago and I do not want to irrititate her intestines more. I had gotten her down to 6.25 mg of pred per day and she was doing well on that, intestines-wise, until last night. I am assuming it is the antibiotics messing her up now, but of course can not be sure. My vet is not in until Monday. I left a message asking that the other vet there call to give me his opinion on this, but I am not crazy about him to begin with, so would like to hear your opinions. Have you ever taken a positive off antibiotics after only 4 or 5 days? Thanks, Michelle
Re: need advice re: Lucy
Oh man, that Lucy keeps you guessing! I don't know Michelle... I'm pretty sure I've had vets prescribe a 5 day dose of abx before, usually it is 7 to 10 days. I think Hideyo told me she gives them just long enough for symptoms to subside, (definitely not recommended by the veterinary community!). I guess if I were dealing with this, I'd try to determine what was most important to her overall health. Do you think this is some sort of allergic reaction to Clava in particular? If you think her diarrhea is a bigger threat than the URI (that now seems better) and that stopping the abx will result in her immediately regaining her appetite and resolving the diarrhea, then maybe you should stop them after a last dose tonight. That would give her at least 5 full days of abx, right? I understand why they want to keep her on the abx for at least 10 days. They want to be sure to knock whatever this latest episode was out of her system. If it were just the diarrhea, if she weren't losing weight, if her coat still looked good... Your comment about her coat bothers me. If you are talking about that dull, stiff, almost oily appearing coat, well, I know that symptom has been associated with some pretty scary deterioration in my house. And Heaven knows her diarrhea and less than enthusiastic eating habits are something that you've had to deal with on and off for a long time now... On the other hand, she's still purring and active... Oh honey, I wish I had the answers. All I can say is you know Lucy better than any vet. Take a still and calm moment to meditate and see if the answers come to you. Reading over this post, I realize it's less than helpful. I'm still going to send it to let you know I understand your frustrations. Let us know what the vet has to say and what you decide to do. Prayers for clarity, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all. Lucy has been doing well getting over her URI-- no fever, no stuffy nose, just a little tiny bit of clear discharge from her nose every now and then. But here is the problem-- she now has frequent liquid diarrhea, threw up this morning, and is not interested in eating more than a few bites. She has been on Clavamox for 4 days (got it this morning and today is her 5th day). The course is 10-14 days. She has IBD so has trouble with her intestines anyway, and I think perhaps the Clavamox is giving her the diarrhea and nausea. I gave her some reglan and force-fed her some of her food blended, and will give her probiotics in about a half hour. My question is whether you think I should take her off the Clavamox now or keep giving it to her. I am wary of taking her off before the end of the course, or at least a week or so of it, because she may have had a bacterial infection and her immune system is compromised by the FeLV and I do not want to set her up for a superinfection. But I really would like to take her off and see if her intestines straighten out. She is walkiing around and rubbing and purring, jumping, etc., but she clearly does not feel well, has lost weight in the last two days, and her fur looks kind of funny (though it is very dry in the house). I am also scared of letting her diarrhea go on for a long time, if it is from the antibiotics, because that is how her IBD started in the first place a year ago and I do not want to irrititate her intestines more. I had gotten her down to 6.25 mg of pred per day and she was doing well on that, intestines-wise, until last night. I am assuming it is the antibiotics messing her up now, but of course can not be sure. My vet is not in until Monday. I left a message asking that the other vet there call to give me his opinion on this, but I am not crazy about him to begin with, so would like to hear your opinions. Have you ever taken a positive off antibiotics after only 4 or 5 days? Thanks, Michelle
Re: need advice re: Lucy
Thanks, Nina. The vet just called back and said to stop the clavamox and see, so I guess I will do that. She's had 4.5 days of it now. Her coat does not look oily, but it does look funny-- a little sticky-outy. It could be because of the winter dryness setting in here, I guess. I have not seen her groom herself today, which is unusual, but maybe if she feels nauseous... She is following me all around, though, like usual, and actually is sticking her paw under the door right now because I am in the bedroom, where Quincy lives and she is not allowed, and she wants me to go back out there. So maybe it is just a basic case of antibiotics causing a bit of nausea and diarrhea. I hope, anyway. I guess I will see. Thanks, as always, Michelle In a message dated 10/28/2006 12:15:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh man, that Lucy keeps you guessing! I don't know Michelle... I'm pretty sure I've had vets prescribe a 5 day dose of abx before, usually it is 7 to 10 days. I think Hideyo told me she gives them just long enough for symptoms to subside, (definitely not recommended by the veterinary community!). I guess if I were dealing with this, I'd try to determine what was most important to her overall health. Do you think this is some sort of allergic reaction to Clava in particular? If you think her diarrhea is a bigger threat than the URI (that now seems better) and that stopping the abx will result in her immediately regaining her appetite and resolving the diarrhea, then maybe you should stop them after a last dose tonight. That would give her at least 5 full days of abx, right? I understand why they want to keep her on the abx for at least 10 days. They want to be sure to knock whatever this latest episode was out of her system. If it were just the diarrhea, if she weren't losing weight, if her coat still looked good... Your comment about her coat bothers me. If you are talking about that dull, stiff, almost oily appearing coat, well, I know that symptom has been associated with some pretty scary deterioration in my house. And Heaven knows her diarrhea and less than enthusiastic eating habits are something that you've had to deal with on and off for a long time now... On the other hand, she's still purring and active... Oh honey, I wish I had the answers. All I can say is you know Lucy better than any vet. Take a still and calm moment to meditate and see if the answers come to you.Reading over this post, I realize it's less than helpful. I'm still going to send it to let you know I understand your frustrations. Let us know what the vet has to say and what you decide to do.Prayers for clarity,Nina
Re: need advice re: Lucy
I'm glad you've got confirmation from the vet about what you should do. Thanks for the visual of her poking her paw through the bottom of the door. That made me feel much better. I sure do love that little troublesome sprite of yours! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Nina. The vet just called back and said to stop the clavamox and see, so I guess I will do that. She's had 4.5 days of it now. Her coat does not look oily, but it does look funny-- a little sticky-outy. It could be because of the winter dryness setting in here, I guess. I have not seen her groom herself today, which is unusual, but maybe if she feels nauseous... She is following me all around, though, like usual, and actually is sticking her paw under the door right now because I am in the bedroom, where Quincy lives and she is not allowed, and she wants me to go back out there. So maybe it is just a basic case of antibiotics causing a bit of nausea and diarrhea. I hope, anyway. I guess I will see. Thanks, as always, Michelle In a message dated 10/28/2006 12:15:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh man, that Lucy keeps you guessing! I don't know Michelle... I'm pretty sure I've had vets prescribe a 5 day dose of abx before, usually it is 7 to 10 days. I think Hideyo told me she gives them just long enough for symptoms to subside, (definitely not recommended by the veterinary community!). I guess if I were dealing with this, I'd try to determine what was most important to her overall health. Do you think this is some sort of allergic reaction to Clava in particular? If you think her diarrhea is a bigger threat than the URI (that now seems better) and that stopping the abx will result in her immediately regaining her appetite and resolving the diarrhea, then maybe you should stop them after a last dose tonight. That would give her at least 5 full days of abx, right? I understand why they want to keep her on the abx for at least 10 days. They want to be sure to knock whatever this latest episode was out of her system. If it were just the diarrhea, if she weren't losing weight, if her coat still looked good... Your comment about her coat bothers me. If you are talking about that dull, stiff, almost oily appearing coat, well, I know that symptom has been associated with some pretty scary deterioration in my house. And Heaven knows her diarrhea and less than enthusiastic eating habits are something that you've had to deal with on and off for a long time now... On the other hand, she's still purring and active... Oh honey, I wish I had the answers. All I can say is you know Lucy better than any vet. Take a still and calm moment to meditate and see if the answers come to you. Reading over this post, I realize it's less than helpful. I'm still going to send it to let you know I understand your frustrations. Let us know what the vet has to say and what you decide to do. Prayers for clarity, Nina
Re: UPDATE:Dukee
In the past I had seen this in my other kitties that were getting ready to leave. But Dukee continues to fight this battle. In a message dated 10/28/2006 8:09:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terrie,I've just been reading the updates. I'm so thrilled to hear that Dukee is still with you. From what you were posting the other night it seemed like he had only moments left with you. Now you have the chance to nudge a miracle along. We all support whatever decisions that you, your husband and Dukee pursue. Please keep us informed as best you can. Many blessings and prayers to see you through this,NinaOkay, I have decided to go forward and have the tube put in Dukee of course with help from a "Good Hearted Member" of this group. God Bless You! My husband stated that he deserves the chance after we had a long discussion. If all goes well he will have it done in the morning. I have high hopes that he does well...I'm praying anyway. I do have to admit I'm a little skiddish putting a kitty under even though it won't be for long. Because of what happen to Taz. Thank you all for your support on this it means a lot to me! Now, I gotta get some much needed rest and check on Dukee! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: need advice re: Lucy
At 08:21 AM 10/28/2006, you wrote: I have learned to keep them on the entire time or risk getting the bugs back that are most resistant, Is she having diarrhea/??there are some good meds out there for diarrhea and I know I have used a bit of Kaopectate or Lomotil also...some rice with her diet etc... Kelly Hi, all. Lucy has been doing well getting over her URI-- no fever, no stuffy nose, just a little tiny bit of clear discharge from her nose every now and then. But here is the problem-- she now has frequent liquid diarrhea, threw up this morning, and is not interested in eating more than a few bites. She has been on Clavamox for 4 days (got it this morning and today is her 5th day). The course is 10-14 days. She has IBD so has trouble with her intestines anyway, and I think perhaps the Clavamox is giving her the diarrhea and nausea. I gave her some reglan and force-fed her some of her food blended, and will give her probiotics in about a half hour. My question is whether you think I should take her off the Clavamox now or keep giving it to her. I am wary of taking her off before the end of the course, or at least a week or so of it, because she may have had a bacterial infection and her immune system is compromised by the FeLV and I do not want to set her up for a superinfection. But I really would like to take her off and see if her intestines straighten out. She is walkiing around and rubbing and purring, jumping, etc., but she clearly does not feel well, has lost weight in the last two days, and her fur looks kind of funny (though it is very dry in the house). I am also scared of letting her diarrhea go on for a long time, if it is from the antibiotics, because that is how her IBD started in the first place a year ago and I do not want to irrititate her intestines more. I had gotten her down to 6.25 mg of pred per day and she was doing well on that, intestines-wise, until last night. I am assuming it is the antibiotics messing her up now, but of course can not be sure. My vet is not in until Monday. I left a message asking that the other vet there call to give me his opinion on this, but I am not crazy about him to begin with, so would like to hear your opinions. Have you ever taken a positive off antibiotics after only 4 or 5 days? Thanks, Michelle No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006
UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that." That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukeedeserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I thinkthe Techrealized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. Iwould like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
I feel the same way you do about doing everything in our power to aid a kitty that is so obviously fighting to stay. Whatever happens, you can at least know that you did this for Dukee. Where there is life there is hope! Praying with all that's in me for miracles, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that." That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukeedeserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I thinkthe Techrealized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. Iwould like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with qualityvs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 I feel the same way you do about doing everything in our power to aid a kitty that is so obviously fighting to stay. Whatever happens, you can at least know that you did this for Dukee. Where there is life there is hope! Praying with all that's in me for miracles,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that." That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukeedeserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I thinkthe Techrealized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. Iwould like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either. In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:29:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with qualityvs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Don't you hate when they do that??? Like we all don't know how much things cost, and decisions have to be made. I wish they'd give us some credit for brains. Our thoughts and prayers are with you both. May God bless you and Dukee, Dede --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that. That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I think the Tech realized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. I would like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com)
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Hi Terrie, I am so sorry for all that you and Dukee are going through. I searched "vaccine" in the archives of theyahoo FIP list, below are someexcerpts that may help youin your decision on vaccinating the others.It has been a little while ago for us, socan't recall all of our reasoning on it at the time, but we chose not to vaccinate ours after losing Ally. I think part of it was that we figured they had all been exposed anyway, althoughultimately only Ally ended upwith apositivetiter at 1:100.The others may have been very low positive, Idexx labs onlytested down to a 1:100 dilution. As I understand it, Cornell is the only place to test all the way to zero, giving a definite FCoV negative. I am picturingDukee getting much stronger with the feeding tube, it seems to have helped so many others here. Take care, Beth This info is published on the Cornell University of Veterinary Medicine website:see http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/fip.htmlIn multiple cat environments, keeping cats as healthy as possible and minimizing exposure to infectious agents lessens the likelihood of cats' developing FIP. Preventing overcrowding, keeping cats current on vaccinations, providing proper nutrition and adequate sanitation, and eliminating feline leukemia virus infections can be helpful in reducing the incidence of FIP groups of cats.The first FIP vaccine (Primucell FIP by Pfizer Animal Health) was introduced in 1991. It is a temperature- sensitive, modified-live vaccine. The vaccine is licensed for intranasal vaccination of cats at 16 weeks of age, with boosters in 3 to 4 weeks, and then yearly. Once a cat is vaccinated, its serum may have a positive coronavirus antibody titer. This could be a problem for cattery owners who use serologic testing to maintain a coronavirus-free population. The vaccine appears to be safe, but various studies have yielded different estimates of vaccine efficacy. The role that Primucell FIP will ultimately play in protecting cats from FIP is not yet known; for the time being, discussions with your veterinarian should help you decide if your cat should be vaccinated. Dr. Addie What is Primucell?Primucell, made by Pfizer, is the only commercially available FIP vaccine in the world. Primucell is a temperature-sensitive mutant feline coronavirus which is instilled intra-nasally and gives rise to local IgA immunity and cell-mediated immunity. Primucell prevents FIP in 50-75% of cats who would have otherwise developed it, but is ineffective in cats previously exposed to FCoV. Thus, in households where FCoV is endemic (most cat breeder's households) Primucell has to be used in kittens which have already undergone the special management procedure known as early weaning and isolation, so that they are FCoV free when vaccinated.
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
If someone has a sick child who needs very expensive medical care, would anyone tell them that the same amount of money could save 30 children dying of malaria in another country (which is probably true)? By her reasoning, no one should ever get expensive medical care for themselves, their kids, or their animals, because the same amount of money could always be used to buy simpler, cheaper life-saving care for other humans or animals in other places. There is of course logic to it. But love has its own logic, and the truth is that no matter what we do we can not save everyone. So it is good that the tech saves many animals over a few, in her own life, I guess. But it is nonsensical, as well as inappropriate and ineffective, for her to try to convince you to do the same. While she may save many, she obviously has never loved one in quite the way the way that we have, in a way that explodes logic and just creates a fierce need to protect them and maintain their life and happiness. If she tries to say anything to you again, tell her you have different priorities than her, and a lot of love for your individual animals. Michelle In a message dated 10/28/2006 2:37:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either.
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
If she voices an unwanted opinion again ask her how she would feel if she was the one dog. I do understand money but there have been times with my own vets' techs that I wanted silence or support whether they agreed or not. Even my vets offer opinions when they know I want them. I hope things are going well. Will you be able to check on Dukee this weekend? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either. In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:29:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with qualityvs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
That is very well said! Thank you I will certainly tell her my thoughts and to keep her opinions to herself if she says anything to me. In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:58:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If someone has a sick child who needs very expensive medical care, would anyone tell them that the same amount of money could save 30 children dying of malaria in another country (which is probably true)? By her reasoning, no one should ever get expensive medical care for themselves, their kids, or their animals, because the same amount of money could always be used to buy simpler, cheaper life-saving care for other humans or animals in other places. There is of course logic to it. But love has its own logic, and the truth is that no matter what we do we can not save everyone. So it is good that the tech saves many animals over a few, in her own life, I guess. But it is nonsensical, as well as inappropriate and ineffective, for her to try to convince you to do the same. While she may save many, she obviously has never loved one in quite the way the way that we have, in a way that explodes logic and just creates a fierce need to protect them and maintain their life and happiness. If she tries to say anything to you again, tell her you have different priorities than her, and a lot of love for your individual animals. Michelle In a message dated 10/28/2006 2:37:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
I'm sure she meant well...but it really wasn't appropriate for her to comment on the matter. elizabeth In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:37:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either. In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:29:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with qualityvs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/ If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
In a message dated 10/28/2006 12:03:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope things are going well. Will you be able to check on Dukee this weekend? Will update A.S.A.P. on how he is doing. Yes, I will be able to. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
The worse part is the wait. :( My husband is praying for Dukee...he keeps asking me if the Vet has called. Because I have the phones at the other end of the house with me here in the computer room. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
Terrie NO FIP vaccinations it could trigger the illness you are trying to prevent so please dont do it I have said this before, but I will say this again you NEED to give him interferon every other day if you havent please do so right away this is the only thing which has a chance of curing Dukee if he does have FIP and your vet does not know it so please do I cannot say this enough it has saved lives of dying animals from FIP feeding tube and IV is only supportive the interferon I sent to you is anti-viral and will help stop replicating the virus --- please trust me on this .. and he will need predisolone to stop the inflammation and prevent further anemia as his own immune system is attacking his red blood cells and thats why he is anemic FIP is auto immune disease I hope you will give him intereferon if you havent .. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that. That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukeedeserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I thinkthe Techrealized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. Iwould like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:28:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie – NO FIP vaccinations –it could trigger the illness you are trying to prevent – so please don’t do it – I have said this before, but I will say this again – you NEED to give him interferon every other day – if you haven’t please do so right away – this is the only thing which has a chance of curing Dukee – if he does have FIP – and your vet does not know it – so please do – I cannot say this enough – it has saved lives of dying animals from FIP – feeding tube and IV is only supportive –the interferon I sent to you is anti-viral and will help stop replicating the virus --- please trust me on this .. and he will need predisolone to stop the inflammation and prevent further anemia as his own immune system is attacking his red blood cells and that’s why he is anemic – FIP is auto immune disease – I hope you will give him intereferon if you haven’t .. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
Good is he on IV? Ask them to put him on heating pad whiels he is there their temperature often goes down (him being anemia and being on anesthesia makes temp go down even further) when my cats are at the emergency, I brought my own thermometer to check on temp of my cats as they sometimes dont do it timely manner and had to tell them to warm up the fluid for IV and give them a heading pad or warm water bottle.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read! Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:28:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie NO FIP vaccinations it could trigger the illness you are trying to prevent so please dont do it I have said this before, but I will say this again you NEED to give him interferon every other day if you havent please do so right away this is the only thing which has a chance of curing Dukee if he does have FIP and your vet does not know it so please do I cannot say this enough it has saved lives of dying animals from FIP feeding tube and IV is only supportive the interferon I sent to you is anti-viral and will help stop replicating the virus --- please trust me on this .. and he will need predisolone to stop the inflammation and prevent further anemia as his own immune system is attacking his red blood cells and thats why he is anemic FIP is auto immune disease I hope you will give him intereferon if you havent .. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
That's why I ask for some output on this from you guys. My breeder friends do not use it. I side with them on this. Because of reactions to the vaccination. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:40:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
Terriie, also please make sure that interferon is being refridgerated.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read! That's why I ask for some output on this from you guys. My breeder friends do not use it. I side with them on this. Because of reactions to the vaccination. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:40:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt
Are they giving him e-tube (much simpler and quicker process) on him or or are they putting the tube from his stomach? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee's Vet Appt She said that because of the percentage being high on the Titers that it is probable having FIP. That the liver damage is a cause of FIP. She did take a sample of his blood and sent it out. At this point it wouldn't make any difference on his results. But warned me that she is siding with FIP on this. He has too much damage in such a short amount of time and the fact he is very jaundiced. As I stated she did ultra sounds and I forgot to add that he had xrays done as well. She could feel his some of his organs. They were swollen. I know I'm not giving the information you would like to hear. If he has the tube in him he will get a complete workup done on him Vet made a point of saying that to me. My husband isn't home yet I will ask him if we have the funds to do so. He will probably crap his pants since we just recently paid off the original Taz's medical bills. ($5000.00) Vet's office doesn't have a payment plan. But he is a cat lover and does love Dukee. I guess I will wait an see if we can do this. I'm frustrated as well and very tired. I just want to do what's best for Dukee and make him comfortable. In a message dated 10/27/2006 4:26:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they not run a total body function? I wanted to know if Liver damage is caused by FIP or not as it does make a difference on prognosis and its very difficult to tell without it --- FIP can cause liver damage as Peter got jaundiced at the end (he had FIP).. and Garfunkle had a liver damage which could have been treatable if I had known it sooner.. the cost seems to be pretty reasonable, actually but if he is jaundiced, he needs to get all toxins out ideally via IV fluid so that it can get all toxins out and he will feel better.. can the vet accept any payment plans from you guys? At least, you will need to give him some fluid when liver is not working well, he will start collecting toxins and make them feel sicker and wants to throw up.. can you give him a fluid at home?? Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- Hideyo
Yes he is on an IV...is being kept warm. Yes, Interferon is refrigerated. Please don't worry Hideyo! I'm a nervous wreck already...I have a headache and my eyes hurt. I'm online trying to occupy my time by playing some games but I'm spacing out. Also sitting on the phones practically. We need all positive energy and prayers sent Dukee's way! In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:44:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good – is he on IV? Ask them to put him on heating pad whiels he is there – their temperature often goes down (him being anemia and being on anesthesia makes temp go down even further) – when my cats are at the emergency, I brought my own thermometer to check on temp of my cats as they sometimes don’t do it timely manner and had to tell them to warm up the fluid for IV and give them a heading pad or warm water bottle.. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- Hideyo
When I mean sitting on the phones. My cell and the home line. I'm using my daughter's phone line for online purposes. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
If you have or can get a Snuggle Safe you have it made. It will stay warm 10-12 hours if it is covered with a towel--don't let the cat lay on it uncovered. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read! Good is he on IV? Ask them to put him on heating pad whiels he is there their temperature often goes down (him being anemia and being on anesthesia makes temp go down even further) when my cats are at the emergency, I brought my own thermometer to check on temp of my cats as they sometimes dont do it timely manner and had to tell them to warm up the fluid for IV and give them a heading pad or warm water bottle.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:40 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read! Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:28:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie NO FIP vaccinations it could trigger the illness you are trying to prevent so please dont do it I have said this before, but I will say this again you NEED to give him interferon every other day if you havent please do so right away this is the only thing which has a chance of curing Dukee if he does have FIP and your vet does not know it so please do I cannot say this enough it has saved lives of dying animals from FIP feeding tube and IV is only supportive the interferon I sent to you is anti-viral and will help stop replicating the virus --- please trust me on this .. and he will need predisolone to stop the inflammation and prevent further anemia as his own immune system is attacking his red blood cells and thats why he is anemic FIP is auto immune disease I hope you will give him intereferon if you havent .. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Dharma:URI - stinky discharge
Hi, my Dharma has some stinky discharge from her nose it had sort of greenish and yellownish color could this be bacterial or viral? I read somewhere that if its green, its viral and if its yellow, its bacterial is it the case? Or its hard to tell by the color? My vet closed for the weekend, and I am not sure which antbiotics to use .. I was going to baytrill, but I remember my vet saying that not to recommended a kitty less than a year or 6 months old and I am a bit nervous using it (I also have a bad experience with it) ..do you have any suggestions? Has anyone used baytrill on your kittens? She is already on intereron, predisolone, and started on epogen and dont want to give too many things, but I also want to help her URI ---any insight is appreciated..
Dukee...he is awake!
Okay all, Dukee made through he is sitting up. They will be feeding him through the tube in just a bit. They said he is alert and looking around. He will remain on the IVs until Monday with meds flowing through. They will call me if anything changes on him. As I will call to check on him through out the evening. To be honest I didn't think he would be strong enough to make it through because of him being so weak. I'm thrilled right now...he does have the fight left in him tomake through this part and hope he continues on. Please continue with your prayers and positive energy it is working for him. Bless You All! Especially his guardian Angel that helped him have the surgery! (He knows your helping him) Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
RE: Dukee...he is awake!
Way to go Dukee! Thats our boy!!! can you visit him today? I think that your visit will make a big different to him I know that IV fluid will definitely help him flush out the yellow stuff (cant remember whats called) which makes him jaudinced and make him feel better Keep us posted. Is he any kind of steroid like predisolone? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 5:03 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Dukee...he is awake! Okay all, Dukee made through he is sitting up. They will be feeding him through the tube in just a bit. They said he is alert and looking around. He will remain on the IVs until Monday with meds flowing through. They will call me if anything changes on him. As I will call to check on him through out the evening. To be honest I didn't think he would be strong enough to make it through because of him being so weak. I'm thrilled right now...he does have the fight left in him tomake through this part and hope he continues on. Please continue with your prayers and positive energy it is working for him. Bless You All! Especially his guardian Angel that helped him have the surgery! (He knows your helping him) Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
Re: Dukee...he is awake!
I will later on after they feed him. Yes, he is on predisolone. Okay, I'm getting offthe computera bit and take a much needed rest for a bit since I know he made it through surgery. YAY!! YIPPEE! GO DUKEE!!! In a message dated 10/28/2006 4:12:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Way to go Dukee! That’s our boy!!! – can you visit him today? I think that your visit will make a big different to him – I know that IV fluid will definitely help him flush out the yellow stuff (can’t remember what’s called) which makes him jaudinced and make him feel better – Keep us posted. Is he any kind of steroid like predisolone? Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge
All I know is that when I call my vet and tell him there is nasal discharge he asks the color. I have had one of my kittens more than 6 months but less han a year take baytril with no problems, but it didn't cure him either. How bad is it? If really bad I usually go straight to zithro. I don't know about side effects from zithro with cats with FELV+ though. I get a lot of bad uri from the shelter cats and amoxy, clavamox and baytril just don't clear it. If green my Missy usually gets Clavomox. Dunno bout yellow or yellow green. I hope this helps. On 10/28/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, my Dharma has some stinky discharge from her nose – it had sort of greenish and yellownish color – could this be bacterial or viral? I read somewhere that if it's green, it's viral and if it's yellow, it's bacterial – is it the case? Or it's hard to tell by the color? My vet closed for the weekend, and I am not sure which antbiotics to use .. I was going to baytrill, but I remember my vet saying that not to recommended a kitty less than a year or 6 months old and I am a bit nervous using it (I also have a bad experience with it) ..do you have any suggestions? Has anyone used baytrill on your kittens? She is already on intereron, predisolone, and started on epogen and don't want to give too many things, but I also want to help her URI ---any insight is appreciated.. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Dukee...he is awake!
Yay! I am praying hard for Dukee. Michelle
Re: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge
Yes, it's a URI if green or yellow. I would give her lysine (in case it's viral) and Clavamox or amoxicillin. If that does not work you can try something else, but it might work and they are milder than the other things you can use. I have heard also not to give kittens Baytril. I think it may be because the blindness side effect happens more to kittens? Not sure. Triaminic, which you can get in the drug store, helps calm the runny and stuffy nose symptoms of cold. The dosage for an adult cat is .2 (2/10) of a ml, of the orange kind. I don't know what it would be for a kitten. It would be hard to measure anything less than .1 (1/10) ml. Is she on fluids? I have found that to help with colds as well. Michelle In a message dated 10/28/2006 6:58:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, my Dharma has some stinky discharge from her nose – it had sort of greenish and yellownish color – could this be bacterial or viral? I read somewhere that if it’s green, it’s viral and if it’s yellow, it’s bacterial – is it the case? Or it’s hard to tell by the color? My vet closed for the weekend, and I am not sure which antbiotics to use .. I was going to baytrill, but I remember my vet saying that not to recommended a kitty less than a year or 6 months old and I am a bit nervous using it (I also have a bad experience with it) ..do you have any suggestions? Has anyone used baytrill on your kittens? She is already on intereron, predisolone, and started on epogen and don’t want to give too many things, but I also want to help her URI ---any insight is appreciated..
Re: Dukee...he is awake!
This is great news! Oh thank you for keeping us posted. We're all going through this with you. elizabeth In a message dated 10/28/2006 6:03:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay all, Dukee made through he is sitting up. They will be feeding him through the tube in just a bit. They said he is alert and looking around. He will remain on the IVs until Monday with meds flowing through. They will call me if anything changes on him. As I will call to check on him through out the evening. To be honest I didn't think he would be strong enough to make it through because of him being so weak. I'm thrilled right now...he does have the fight left in him tomake through this part and hope he continues on. Please continue with your prayers and positive energy it is working for him. Bless You All! Especially his guardian Angel that helped him have the surgery! (He knows your helping him) Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/ If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: need advice re: Lucy
Hi Michelle, I am glad Lucy is much better..I am so far behind on reading and everyone.. I have a question...about Inky and IBD...I have had him on 10 mg pred for awhile then I went to 7.5mg for a few weeks then now we went to 5mg and he seems to be having stool problems again...one day it is hard and dry then the next it is loose and watery..so should I go back up to 7.5 for awhile??? I think I over fed him the other day as he will eat a lot...He is on feline k/d because of his kidney values being high and I do still feed him raw turkey and chicken breast. as much chicken broth as he will drink is always available...I put his pills in tsp of fancy feast so I thought the other day I gave him alittle too much as he really likes it and I'm sure misses it, too..He doesn't seem to be sick cause he purrs and follows me around...meows alot and all his usual things...I saw some where that you or Nina mentioned something about Lucy's hair, well, Inky's hair is awful maybe cause of the hyper T, I don't know...big matts and all of what you described...He cleans himself after he eats but not a huge bath like when he was much younger...just mainly his face and all...I guess as long as he eats and purrs I try not to worry too much since he is 20...He throws up almost once a day, too..so I don't know if that is the IBD or his kidneys causing it... Let me know if you think I should just up the pred again...I don't guess it will hurt at this point..I really wanted to try to get him on a lower dose though..I forgot to mention if he gets a very loose stool I go ahead and give him some metronidazole (sp) and it always helps...It is almost like imodium for him...a couple of doses seems to always help.. Inky was on 3 wks of clavamox awhile back for a skin infection, didn't seem to bother him, but as we know they are all different...But I, too have stopped meds before the entire course of treatment...You can always start them back.. Hope Lucy continues to do well. Kerry, Bandy and Inky Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
RE: Dukee...he is awake!
Terrie, I'm so glad Dukee is out of surgery and alert. Here are huge vibes that he's already starting the healing process. Bravo, Dukee! And brava to you, dear, for doing all this for him. Diane R.
Re: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge
Hi Hideyo, I would try the lysine for her first too. She's on so much right now, Pred, feline Interferon, you just started Epogen, Moducare, was there something else? Are you using TF? I hate to think of adding yet another med, but if the lysine doesn't help, I might try some Clavamox. I'm not sure about interactions with all this stuff and she's so darn tiny. I'd also try Little Noses before any other nasal drops. I don't remember anyone's discharge being smelly, no matter what the color. Did this start all of a sudden? Was there a clear discharge before the gooey stuff? Poor little sugar, I just want to wrap her up in a blanket, hold her close and cure her with love! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's a URI if green or yellow. I would give her lysine (in case it's viral) and Clavamox or amoxicillin. If that does not work you can try something else, but it might work and they are milder than the other things you can use. I have heard also not to give kittens Baytril. I think it may be because the blindness side effect happens more to kittens? Not sure. Triaminic, which you can get in the drug store, helps calm the runny and stuffy nose symptoms of cold. The dosage for an adult cat is .2 (2/10) of a ml, of the orange kind. I don't know what it would be for a kitten. It would be hard to measure anything less than .1 (1/10) ml. Is she on fluids? I have found that to help with colds as well. Michelle
RE: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge
Hi, Nina--- I am now thinking that her loss of appetite might have something to do with URIs as it started a day or two days ago - it might be some type of bacterial infections --since her immune system is a bit compromised,k she is more susceptible to also bacterial infections -- I just remembered when Hannibal was susectable to bacteria infection due to his CRF conditions and he use to get URIs - colord discharge from his nose --when I gave him a shot of penicillin, it cleared up right away -- so I gave her like 0.1 ml of shot of penicillin -- as much as it seems that she is on lots of drugs and she is.. but standard treatment of FIP is usually, interferon, predisolone and some type of antibiotics altogether as predisolone will suppress their immune system and they become more susceptible to bacterial infections -- She has been on lysine for a long time, actually -- you would not believe how many things she is getting --- and they are not all chemicals.. she is getting different type of vitamins and homeopathy stuff -- I bought some slippery elm to help her digestions system as she is getting so many stuff -- please continue your ue to pray for my little Dharma - she is such a sweet heart and she is such a strong little soul!! Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge Hi Hideyo, I would try the lysine for her first too. She's on so much right now, Pred, feline Interferon, you just started Epogen, Moducare, was there something else? Are you using TF? I hate to think of adding yet another med, but if the lysine doesn't help, I might try some Clavamox. I'm not sure about interactions with all this stuff and she's so darn tiny. I'd also try Little Noses before any other nasal drops. I don't remember anyone's discharge being smelly, no matter what the color. Did this start all of a sudden? Was there a clear discharge before the gooey stuff? Poor little sugar, I just want to wrap her up in a blanket, hold her close and cure her with love! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's a URI if green or yellow. I would give her lysine (in case it's viral) and Clavamox or amoxicillin. If that does not work you can try something else, but it might work and they are milder than the other things you can use. I have heard also not to give kittens Baytril. I think it may be because the blindness side effect happens more to kittens? Not sure. Triaminic, which you can get in the drug store, helps calm the runny and stuffy nose symptoms of cold. The dosage r an adult cat is .2 (2/10) of a ml, of the orange kind. I don't know what it would be for a kitten. It would be hard to measure anything less than .1 (1/10) ml. Is she on fluids? I have found that to help with colds as well. Michelle
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Terri: My several of my vets are against the FIP vaccine. One big problem with the vaccine is that if a cat has been exposed to FIP, the vaccine will bring it on! Also, the vaccine is only 50% effective. Even after living though a FIP out break and losing many cats, I am strongly against the using this vaccine. Precious Pets --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that. That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I think the Tech realized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. I would like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) __ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta)
Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ test
Thanks for your interest and concern. I'm very happy to say that the IFA's on Oreo AND Ellie were negative!!! Ellie's first IFA in June was positive. The vet is flabbergasted that it came back negative. I don't know how much stock I should put into the Mega C Plus that I ordered online but I gave it to both Ellie and Oreo and here they are negative. Here's the link to an article on Mega C Plus. Within the article, you can click on the blue Mega C Plus to order. http://www.belfield.com/article2.html Ellie is back with the others now and I have a very happy household. Blessings to all of you out there and I pray that only good news comes your way! From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: TO TONYA re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:00:07 -0700 (PDT) I'm way behind on my mail, but let me know how the tests turn out. It sounds like Oreo was exposed, tested positive, and then fought off the virus. If that is the case, then, NO, he won't get it again. Good luck! t Kathi Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya. I'll try to make this whole thing clearer for you. I had a roommate who brought Ellie with her when she moved in. Kim, my roommate, said she'd been tested for disease but she hadn't been. When she finally had her tested, Ellie tested postive. By that time, all of my cats had been exposed to Ellie and Oreo had a lot of direct contact with Ellie. So I took all 5 of my cats in to be tested on 6/1/06 and only Oreo tested positive, a light positive. On 6/23/06, Oreo had an IFA that was negative, just 22 days later. I had Ellie and Oreo retested this past Friday, 10/13/06. Am anxious to get the results back on Wednesday or Thursday. My vet said this test will be definitive and I can trust these results. I only hope they're negative. Kathi From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) I'm sorry. I just don't understand. Are you saying Ellie was always positive. She gave it to Oreo and he tested positive, but now he's negative? I don't know if your vet knows what he's doing. If he tested positive on Elissa and then tested negative a month later I take that as a negative. Others on the list know more about this. How and when was Ellie tested, and how do you know that Oreo was negative and caught it from her? I guess I missed your first post. It just doesn't really happen that a negative catches felv from a positive and tests positive and then tests negative and would then 'catch' it again. I guess it could happen, but I have never heard of anything like this. t Kathi Clark wrote: Sorry I'm getting back with you just now. Oreo did get it from Ellie. Oreo was given an IFA test just a month after testing positive on the ELISSA. I understand this vet gave the IFA way too soon, that perhaps the virus didn't have time to even get into the bone marrow. I've been told by another vet that he could still have it because he was re-tested way too soon with the IFA. K From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: timing on FeLV+ test Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Are you saying Oreo got it from Ellie, but now he doesn't have it any more?? t Kathi Clark wrote: Thanks, Tonya. This has given me something to think about. I haven't had the other ones tested again and I don't think I will. My vet said if she was in my situation she would retest only if I brought them in for an illness on down the road. If Ellie tests negative on the IFA on October 13, I'll mix her with the others. If she doesn't, I may still integrate her. Is that taking a big risk with the 1-year-olds, though? As I said, Oreo, who's 1, became infected by Ellie and I know if I mix the two again, they'll have a great deal of one-on-one contact. Oreo and Connie have a lot of contact now and if Oreo contracts it again, does that put Connie at risk? Sorry so many questions. I'm just a nervous mother and FeLV is so new to me. I would miss Ellie so if I found her another home and would always be worried if she was happy or not and taken care of. I just am concerned that if she has health issues in the future, I can't financially handle the big vet bills. Perhaps someone else who's better off financially could give her a happy home, too. But the odds of finding someone who is better off financially are small, I know. So, it's just wait and see, like everything else in life. I try not to panic anymore. This is the best site. I've learned more from all of you than I have from my vet. I wonder if she knows she shouldn't have tested Ellie with the IFA so soon after the ELISSA. I don't see that vet any longer. Kathi From: catatonya Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To:
Re: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge
Poor little girl. I hope the penicillin helps her feel much better. On 10/28/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Nina--- I am now thinking that her loss of appetite might havesomething to do with URIs as it started a day or two days ago - it might be some type of bacterial infections --since her immune system is a bitcompromised,k she is more susceptible to also bacterial infections -- Ijust remembered when Hannibal was susectable to bacteria infection due to his CRF conditions and he use to get URIs - colord discharge from hisnose --when I gave him a shot of penicillin, it cleared up right away --so I gave her like 0.1 ml of shot of penicillin -- as much as it seems that she is on lots of drugs and she is.. but standard treatment of FIPis usually, interferon, predisolone and some type of antibioticsaltogether as predisolone will suppress their immune system and theybecome more susceptible to bacterial infections -- She has been on lysine for a long time, actually -- you would notbelieve how many things she is getting --- and they are not allchemicals.. she is getting different type of vitamins and homeopathystuff -- I bought some slippery elm to help her digestions system as she isgetting so many stuff -- please continue yourue to pray for my littleDharma - she is such a sweet heart and she is such a strong little soul!!Hideyo-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge Hi Hideyo,I would try the lysine for her first too.She's on so much right now,Pred, feline Interferon, you just started Epogen, Moducare, was theresomething else?Are you using TF?I hate to think of adding yet another med, but if the lysine doesn't help, I might try some Clavamox.I'm not sure about interactions with all this stuff and she's so darntiny.I'd also try Little Noses before any other nasal drops.I don't remember anyone's discharge being smelly, no matter what the color.Didthis start all of a sudden?Was there a clear discharge before thegooey stuff?Poor little sugar, I just want to wrap her up in a blanket, hold her close and cure her with love!Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's a URI if green or yellow.I would give her lysine (in case it's viral) and Clavamox or amoxicillin.If that does not work you can try something else, but it might work and they are milder than the other things you can use. I have heard also not to give kittens Baytril. I think it may be because the blindness side effect happens more to kittens? Not sure. Triaminic, which you can get in the drug store, helps calm the runny and stuffy nose symptoms of cold.The dosage r an adult cat is .2 (2/10) of a ml, of the orange kind.I don't know what it would be for a kitten.It would be hard to measure anything less than .1 (1/10)ml. Is she on fluids? I have found that to help with colds as well. Michelle -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge
Thank you but Dharma is actually one strong girl I noticed that when I was syringe feeding her that her nose and gums look much more pink.. and I just have a feeling that she is going to feel just GREAT tomorrow --J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge Poor little girl. I hope the penicillin helps her feel much better. On 10/28/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Nina--- I am now thinking that her loss of appetite might have something to do with URIs as it started a day or two days ago - it might be some type of bacterial infections --since her immune system is a bit compromised,k she is more susceptible to also bacterial infections -- I just remembered when Hannibal was susectable to bacteria infection due to his CRF conditions and he use to get URIs - colord discharge from his nose --when I gave him a shot of penicillin, it cleared up right away -- so I gave her like 0.1 ml of shot of penicillin -- as much as it seems that she is on lots of drugs and she is.. but standard treatment of FIP is usually, interferon, predisolone and some type of antibiotics altogether as predisolone will suppress their immune system and they become more susceptible to bacterial infections -- She has been on lysine for a long time, actually -- you would not believe how many things she is getting --- and they are not all chemicals.. she is getting different type of vitamins and homeopathy stuff -- I bought some slippery elm to help her digestions system as she is getting so many stuff -- please continue yourue to pray for my little Dharma - she is such a sweet heart and she is such a strong little soul!! Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Dharma:URI - stinky discharge Hi Hideyo, I would try the lysine for her first too.She's on so much right now, Pred, feline Interferon, you just started Epogen, Moducare, was there something else?Are you using TF?I hate to think of adding yet another med, but if the lysine doesn't help, I might try some Clavamox. I'm not sure about interactions with all this stuff and she's so darn tiny.I'd also try Little Noses before any other nasal drops.I don't remember anyone's discharge being smelly, no matter what the color.Did this start all of a sudden?Was there a clear discharge before the gooey stuff?Poor little sugar, I just want to wrap her up in a blanket, hold her close and cure her with love! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's a URI if green or yellow.I would give her lysine (in case it's viral) and Clavamox or amoxicillin.If that does not work you can try something else, but it might work and they are milder than the other things you can use. I have heard also not to give kittens Baytril. I think it may be because the blindness side effect happens more to kittens? Not sure. Triaminic, which you can get in the drug store, helps calm the runny and stuffy nose symptoms of cold.The dosage r an adult cat is .2 (2/10) of a ml, of the orange kind.I don't know what it would be for a kitten.It would be hard to measure anything less than .1 (1/10) ml. Is she on fluids? I have found that to help with colds as well. Michelle -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Actually if a cat is already exposed to corona virus (not even FIP) at all --- it won't be effective at all -- and realistically, 75 to 95% of cats are already exposed to corona virus to certain degree.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Precious Pets, Almost Home Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 Terri: My several of my vets are against the FIP vaccine. One big problem with the vaccine is that if a cat has been exposed to FIP, the vaccine will bring it on! Also, the vaccine is only 50% effective. Even after living though a FIP out break and losing many cats, I am strongly against the using this vaccine. Precious Pets --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that. That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I think the Tech realized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. I would like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) __ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta)
