Re: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats
Those without previous caretakers are very important animals too. Ferals and semi-ferals are the most wonderful friends if you can open your heart to them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats Jacksonville FL Humane Society memorial page: http://ucat.us/JacksonvilleMemorial/ Please take a few moments to add them to your thoughts during tomorrow's Candlelight Service. Scooter, one cat shown, was FELV+, most were not (maybe when they rebuild they will have a wing dedicated to Scooter for the FELV+ cats). A couple of dogs were lost as well, from reports at their website, and 5 cats were able to be rescued, I do not know if they are any shown on the memorial page. Please remember, MANY animals that end up in shelters were previously someone's pet, and this tragedy will certainly effect those owners who had to give up their cat to this shelter. This was a no-kill shelter. Sincerely, Phaewryn
Re: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats
In a message dated 4/9/07 3:37:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Those without previous caretakers are very important animals too. Ferals
and semi-ferals are the most wonderful friends if you can open your heart to
them
Amen to that
Charity is living proof to that comment, along w/ my other rescued
fur-babies!
And Charity trusted me enough to lead me to Bart when he was so ill.
Even Bart accepted me..(Even allowed me to kiss him!)
Hugs,
Patti her gang {many rescued ferals ]
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Re: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats
Thank you all for your care and compassion. You know,
I didn't get any feedback from the other lists I
posted on...not that they needed to. It was just a
thought.
This has been a very difficult year for rescue here.
Most of my friends in rescue lost many many cats to
distemper. It hit like lightning to the very young
before they could vaccinate. They ended up spending a
small fortune doing intra-nasal on tiny kittens.
I had more to say, but i need to go to the dentist,
and DH is already in the van. So much to do before
this move!!!
Dede
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/9/07 3:37:38 A.M. Eastern
Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Those without previous caretakers are very important
animals too. Ferals
and semi-ferals are the most wonderful friends if
you can open your heart to
them
Amen to that
Charity is living proof to that comment, along w/ my
other rescued
fur-babies!
And Charity trusted me enough to lead me to Bart
when he was so ill.
Even Bart accepted me..(Even allowed me to
kiss him!)
Hugs,
Patti her gang {many rescued ferals ]
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Re: OT - Easter Kittens
Thanks, they are all still doing well as of this morning:) Kelley On 4/8/07, Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awww congratulations Kelley! Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could pretend to be the Universe. Would you like a few kittens?:P On 4/8/07, Nina wrote: It puts me in mind of all those kittens you had last year MC. I can only imagine how much work it was, but I couldn't help but be a little jealous. (My crazy is showing!). I love the babies, but the only way I get to interact with them is when the Universe plops them in my lap. Nina TenHouseCats wrote: aw, concatulations, gramma! more babies.. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Visit my Tigger Tales site! TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Some thoughts on Patti's post
Patti,
You aren't anywhere near central NY are you? The
biggest part of this move that scares me is getting
the cats into the house without any interfearence from
my stupid neighbor. We have 40. We are planning to
park off site, and shuttle them into the garage, and
run with them into the house. That is a distance of 8
feet. These cats are all vetted, and have health
certificates. We have spent a fortune on them...had
quite a few dentals sone too.
Do I regret it? No, I do not...it is our choice. A
bunch of them are storm rescues, some I could adopt
out, but don't want to. Some are feral. One likes me
and no one else. The rest are personality impaired,
but we love them all. I resent the govt. telling me
what to do when we are not hurting anyone. Heck, they
can't even get their own act together.
I am a child of the 60's. I know now I can't change
the entire world, but David and i have tried to make
our little spot better. We adopted 10 kids, and now
we have the cats (OK, so we have a problem) We like
the cats better right now. Especially since my self
absorbed son tells us that his kids won't be allowed
to come into our home because of the cats. (another
reason to keep them)
Sorry so long. It's been an emotional weekend for us
all here. You should see the memorials people have
dropped off at the Jax HS. I guess this group can
really understand loss... We are better people for it
because we can truly relate to people and give of
ourselves to help make a difference.
Dede
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Dede-
I'm still mourning.. I can't think of anything
[much] worse..
I have always worried about the shelter/sanctuary
I've been involved in.
It also is old, close to around 100 years old. Was
an old farm at one time,
and most of our cats are in the barn area.
And, yes, we have done restoring, updating, etc. -
BUT It still is a
very old structure. And, we have built other
housing, but the majority of
our felines are in the old area(s). {We also use the
old cottage..] And
we provide fur-ever homes for over 300 cats
(Yes, against regulations,
but when we have a check, the person doing it is
NOT showed all areas.
Yes, we fib, tell him that the upstairs is
personal. And, they never
debate,argue or insist on seeing it..)
My main concern has always been the people that are
doing community
service. Sure, some may be ok, but we can not ask
what their crime was So, we
really never know just who we're dealing with.
And,most of our dogs are kept in an area [very newly
renovated], far from
cats. But we do house our seniors special
need K-9's in another area of
barn..
And, we have 22 acres, so most run freely. But due
to the neighborhood, we
have to house the dogs inside at night!!!
And, again, what chutzpah!!! The shelter was there
WAY before they put in
the development, people were made aware of our
presence, but bought/built
the homes anyway!!! And now they complain!
(They've had us in court more
times than I care to remember!) No wonder I prefer
critters over humans!!!
I'm very relieved that they were able to save some.
I am still praying that
more cats will show up.
I only wish all involved the best of luck in their
future endeavors...
As sad as it was, thank you for posting about it.
Have to hobble off now - My dear, sweet [ancient]
Puma is calling me.
Probably to eat, again But, he is so special
at his age, with all his
problems, I feel he justly deserves anything he
wants. I do cater to him.
(And, I think he knows it too!!!)
Please keep us updated if you get any more
news..
Hugs,
Patti her gang
PS - HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE FUR-BABIES
INCLUDED (Unless it's a
poor rabbit that was sold given as a gift. Won't
be a happy day for those
poor babies... )
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RE: Please say a prayer for the cats - so sad, here are faces
Thanks for doing this. I couldn't bear to look at all the pictures, but they do deserve a remembrance. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please say a prayer for the cats - so sad, here are faces I am fairly sure this is the shelter that was lost, and these are the cats. http://fpm.petfinder.com/petlist/petlist.cgi?shelter=fl08title=moreinf o=style=1sort=status=picsize=color1=color2=animal=Catbreed=age= size=x=6y=7 If that doesn't work, try: http://search.petfinder.com/shelterSearch/shelterSearch.cgi?animal=Catb reed=age=size=specialNeeds=declawedPets=children=status=id=inter nal=contact=name=shelterid=FL08sort=pet.Identifierpreview=1 The fire has been recorded at youtube as well.. It is horrendous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFJu8Q_JN_8 I am making a memorial page for them... I'll have it ready for tomorrow night's CLS. They deserve to be remembered by name. They said 5 survived, but I don't know which 5. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
Actually looking at those numbers I am surprised he is feeling any better at all since his WBC was even higher last week than initially:(. Hideyo, or anyone else, do you know anything about Leukeran? That is his new drug. On 4/7/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. 3/21/07 CBC WBC 21.5 LYM 0.62 MONO 1.85 NEU 18.44 EOS 0.51 BASO .008 HCT 15.3 RBC 3.23 HGB 8.5 RETIC 11.3 MCV 47.4 RDW 22.3 MCH 26.36 PLT 731 MPV 9.29 PCT 0.7% PDW 22.7% 3/26/2007 WBC 16.96 LYM 0.81 MONO 1.52 NEU 14.38 BOS 0.22 BASO 0.05 HCT 12.6 RBC 2.59 HGB 7.9 RETIC 9.3 MCV 48.9 RDW 22.4 MCH 30.39 PLT 815 MPC 10.38 PCT 0.8% PDW 22.0% 4/4/2007 WBC 25.85 LYM 0.84 MONO 2.24 NEU 22.43 EOS .27 BASO 0.07 HCT 13.5 RBC 2.71 HGB 5.7 RETIC 21.0 MCV 50.0 RDW 20.5 MCH 20.95 PLT 425 MPV 17.09 PCT 0.7 PDW 22.6 On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post everything? If you can with what was before and what's now even thought they are within the normal range, that will be great! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Hideyo, I have all his blood values. I will give the ones out of normal range..if you want the others let me know.. WBC 25.85- up 16.9, ws in normal range, Mono 2.24, Neu, 22.43, up 14, hct 13.5, up 1%, rbc 2.71, hgb 5.7, mch 20.95. On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the PCV? You usually don't give transfusions until PCV is down below 12 or 13 if they are clinically ill - I personally say not to worry about WBC being up -- at least it means that the body is generating blood - How is the rest of the blood work look like, do you know? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Kelley, Prayers going out for little Joey. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am concerned, to put it mildly. My poor boy's PCV/RBC values are up, very slightly. I think the RBC went from 2.59 to 2.75. His white blood cell count is back up again, though - it had gone down last bloodwork. He still feels very good, and that's why my vet says to keep going. If he didn't feel good he says he'd tell me to stop now. I asked him about transfusion/epogen. He says with this type of anemia, it just gives the white blood cells more material to destroy. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
When Bailey was anemic, my vet told me that if the prednisolone alone didn't do the trick to supress his immune system enough to help with the anemia we could try leukeran. It is an oral chemo drug. We never went that route because the pred and epogen corrected Baileys' anemia. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
At least I have learned here that cats tolerate chemo wellpoor guy. On 4/9/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Bailey was anemic, my vet told me that if the prednisolone alone didn't do the trick to supress his immune system enough to help with the anemia we could try leukeran. It is an oral chemo drug. We never went that route because the pred and epogen corrected Baileys' anemia. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
I read it about that, too -- My felix passed away before I had a chance to try it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good When Bailey was anemic, my vet told me that if the prednisolone alone didn't do the trick to supress his immune system enough to help with the anemia we could try leukeran. It is an oral chemo drug. We never went that route because the pred and epogen corrected Baileys' anemia. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
I think Belinda responded to you on this already-- if Joey is clinically doing okay, I personally hate to use it on him right now as the side effects can make him sick. This seems to be CBC panel - do you have any additional blood work which tells all other his organ functions as well by any chance? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Actually looking at those numbers I am surprised he is feeling any better at all since his WBC was even higher last week than initially:(. Hideyo, or anyone else, do you know anything about Leukeran? That is his new drug. On 4/7/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. 3/21/07 CBC WBC 21.5 LYM 0.62 MONO 1.85 NEU 18.44 EOS 0.51 BASO .008 HCT 15.3 RBC 3.23 HGB 8.5 RETIC 11.3 MCV 47.4 RDW 22.3 MCH 26.36 PLT 731 MPV 9.29 PCT 0.7% PDW 22.7% 3/26/2007 WBC 16.96 LYM 0.81 MONO 1.52 NEU 14.38 BOS 0.22 BASO 0.05 HCT 12.6 RBC 2.59 HGB 7.9 RETIC 9.3 MCV 48.9 RDW 22.4 MCH 30.39 PLT 815 MPC 10.38 PCT 0.8% PDW 22.0% 4/4/2007 WBC 25.85 LYM 0.84 MONO 2.24 NEU 22.43 EOS .27 BASO 0.07 HCT 13.5 RBC 2.71 HGB 5.7 RETIC 21.0 MCV 50.0 RDW 20.5 MCH 20.95 PLT 425 MPV 17.09 PCT 0.7 PDW 22.6 On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post everything? If you can with what was before and what's now even thought they are within the normal range, that will be great! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Hideyo, I have all his blood values. I will give the ones out of normal range..if you want the others let me know.. WBC 25.85- up 16.9, ws in normal range, Mono 2.24, Neu, 22.43, up 14, hct 13.5, up 1%, rbc 2.71, hgb 5.7, mch 20.95. On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the PCV? You usually don't give transfusions until PCV is down below 12 or 13 if they are clinically ill - I personally say not to worry about WBC being up -- at least it means that the body is generating blood - How is the rest of the blood work look like, do you know? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Kelley, Prayers going out for little Joey. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am concerned, to put it mildly. My poor boy's PCV/RBC values are up, very slightly. I think the RBC went from 2.59 to 2.75. His white blood cell count is back up again, though - it had gone down last bloodwork. He still feels very good, and that's why my vet says to keep going. If he didn't feel good he says he'd tell me to stop now. I asked him about transfusion/epogen. He says with this type of anemia, it just gives the white blood cells more material to destroy. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
What did you think of his bloodwork numbers Hideyo? I don't understand why they can act ok and be sick. How are we supposed to know they are sick? I mean when he lost weight I knew something was wrong but now he is gaining it back? But his blood numbers are worse? How can this be? On 4/9/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read it about that, too -- My felix passed away before I had a chance to try it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good When Bailey was anemic, my vet told me that if the prednisolone alone didn't do the trick to supress his immune system enough to help with the anemia we could try leukeran. It is an oral chemo drug. We never went that route because the pred and epogen corrected Baileys' anemia. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
He ran another blood panel the first visit, but he doesn't run it every week. I can post it when I get home..I keep his test results at home. I don't even know what the second one means at all... On 4/9/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Belinda responded to you on this already-- if Joey is clinically doing okay, I personally hate to use it on him right now as the side effects can make him sick. This seems to be CBC panel - do you have any additional blood work which tells all other his organ functions as well by any chance? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Actually looking at those numbers I am surprised he is feeling any better at all since his WBC was even higher last week than initially:(. Hideyo, or anyone else, do you know anything about Leukeran? That is his new drug. On 4/7/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. 3/21/07 CBC WBC 21.5 LYM 0.62 MONO 1.85 NEU 18.44 EOS 0.51 BASO .008 HCT 15.3 RBC 3.23 HGB 8.5 RETIC 11.3 MCV 47.4 RDW 22.3 MCH 26.36 PLT 731 MPV 9.29 PCT 0.7% PDW 22.7% 3/26/2007 WBC 16.96 LYM 0.81 MONO 1.52 NEU 14.38 BOS 0.22 BASO 0.05 HCT 12.6 RBC 2.59 HGB 7.9 RETIC 9.3 MCV 48.9 RDW 22.4 MCH 30.39 PLT 815 MPC 10.38 PCT 0.8% PDW 22.0% 4/4/2007 WBC 25.85 LYM 0.84 MONO 2.24 NEU 22.43 EOS .27 BASO 0.07 HCT 13.5 RBC 2.71 HGB 5.7 RETIC 21.0 MCV 50.0 RDW 20.5 MCH 20.95 PLT 425 MPV 17.09 PCT 0.7 PDW 22.6 On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post everything? If you can with what was before and what's now even thought they are within the normal range, that will be great! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Hideyo, I have all his blood values. I will give the ones out of normal range..if you want the others let me know.. WBC 25.85- up 16.9, ws in normal range, Mono 2.24, Neu, 22.43, up 14, hct 13.5, up 1%, rbc 2.71, hgb 5.7, mch 20.95. On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the PCV? You usually don't give transfusions until PCV is down below 12 or 13 if they are clinically ill - I personally say not to worry about WBC being up -- at least it means that the body is generating blood - How is the rest of the blood work look like, do you know? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Kelley, Prayers going out for little Joey. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am concerned, to put it mildly. My poor boy's PCV/RBC values are up, very slightly. I think the RBC went from 2.59 to 2.75. His white blood cell count is back up again, though - it had gone down last bloodwork. He still feels very good, and that's why my vet says to keep going. If he didn't feel good he says he'd tell me to stop now. I asked him about transfusion/epogen. He says with this type of anemia, it just gives the white blood cells more material to destroy. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
Kelley, Here are a few sites that help understand bloodwork: http://home.gci.net/%7Edivs/disease/lab_tests.html http://www.catdoctor.com/info/?category=4article=8 http://www.felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/bloodserum.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Hi, Joe -- you've come to the right place for info and support with all things FeLV! Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Reil Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
First, I think you are right to wait for a little while before adding another cat. You need time to mourn, learn, and adjust and so does Stitch. Second, when the time is right, consider adopting a cat whose person is surrendering it and has had it vaccinated already. Local vets sometimes know of these people (a cat might be surrendered because his person dies, goes into a nursing home and the family abandons the cat etc). Third, consider an adult cat from a kill shelterthese lovely little darlings are destined to die and would love to take the risk of contracting FeLV in exchange for the chance to live in a loving home (my opinion only). Good luck. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: RE: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch Hi, Joe -- you've come to the right place for info and support with all things FeLV! Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Reil Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Hi Joe and welcome to the list. Bless you for being the type of person to take in animals in need. My condolences on losing Zoro and Stitch. Everyone in this group understands the bonds of interspecies love and we know how much it hurts. You must be reeling from Chewie's pos test result. Did you bring Chewie home while Zoro was still with you? There's no way to know who transmitted the disease to whom, I was just wondering. The good news is that Chewie is 3.5 yrs. Kittens who present symptoms of the disease usually do so before their 3rd birthday, so it's fabulous that Chewie is so healthy. There are so many false pos using the in-house ELISA test that there is always the hope that they aren't really pos at all. Given your history, it seems less likely in your case though. It could be that Chewie is a carrier and will never develop symptoms, it could be that she is in the process of fighting off the disease and will later test neg. You will learn all sorts of things to do to help Chewie stay healthy, a quality diet, supplements and a stress free environment make a huge difference in their longevity. You are wise to consider the stress of adopting another cat, but it is possible to acclimate a new arrival in ways that lessen that stress. I'm sure you will be hearing from our list members with lots of good suggestions very soon. In the meantime, you might want to visit our archives and do searches on our past discussions. You'll be surprised at how our experiences differ from much of the veterinary community's stance and the common misconceptions of the general public. Please let us hear from you often, ask as many questions as you like. This is a very informative and supportive group, we're all in this together. Nina Joe Reil wrote: Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe
NJ anti-cruelty bill problems - from Michelle Lerner
Hi. Can you send this to all your lists? Thanks. To all folks from NJ: There is a bill pending in the NJ legislature to amend the anti-cruelty statute. Some of it is good, but there are problems with a bunch of sections, and various animal groups have been working on most of the problems. However, in reading it (I am a lawyer), I discovered a section that is very problematic for people who have animals with disabilities and other long-term problems. It makes it a criminal offense to refuse to euthanize an animal who is beyond recovery from an illness or disability (keep in mind that you can be beyond recovery from a disability, such as a leg problem, without it threatening life) if a licensed vet says the animal is in significant pain or suffering. The reason this is such a problem is, as you know, vets vary widely as to what they think is beyond recovery and what they think is suffering. As someone who has cared for a lot of special needs animals, including cats with FeLV, I have personally experienced-- and have heard many such stories of-- a bad vet saying that an animal is beyond hope and is suffering and needs to be put down, only to find a better vet or a specialist who is willing and able to treat the animal. If the pending bill is passed without a revision to the way this section is written, it will put a lot more power into the hands of vets who do not believe in caring for special needs animals when they pressure people to euthanize. I wrote the sponsor and co-sponsors of the bill with suggestions for revision. The main sponsor is currently revising the bill, so it is a good time to contact your state assemblyman if you live in NJ and ask him or her to talk to the sponsor (Assemblyman Van Drew). You can call or write. You can find your NJ state assemblyman at http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/SelectMun.asp. Here is the letter that I sent: I am a NJ resident and an attorney *[You should put in here that you are a constituent if you are writing your own assembly person].* I read recently that Assemblyman Van drew, the primary sponsor of A2649, is currently revising that bill. I write to call your attention to a revision that I think is necessary to a provision that will affect a lot of your constituents. Section 7(6) makes it a second level offense for a person to purposefully or knowingly refuse to allow the humane destruction of an animal who is beyond recovery from an illness or disability when a licensed veterinarian says that the animal is in significant pain or is suffering. This section needs to be revised in the following two ways: 1) adequate pain management should be added as an alternative option to humane destruction, so that people who are opposed to euthanasia on religious grounds can comply with the law by appropriately diminishing the animal's pain until they pass on their own, as would be done with a human; the provision can require that appropriate pain management be provided with the guidance of a veterinarian. 2) the provision should be amended to make clear that an owner can seek a second opinion from another veterinarian as to whether the animal is indeed beyond recovery and whether or not the animal is suffering. If this provision is not amended in these two ways, far too much power is given to individual veterinarians to determine whether a person is acting inhumanely, and to thereby require destruction of a loved family pet when it may not be necessary. Vets sometimes disagree as to whether an animal is treatable or not, the same way that human doctors do. Specialists are often able to better diagnose and treat animals with serious conditions than are local vets. The way that the provision is currently written, an owner could be criminally charged for not allowing a vet to euthanize an animal because she wants a second option or to take the animal to a specialist for more tests. This is obviously not your intention, but it is the way that it reads. I have particular concerns about this issue because I adopted cats who have the feline leukemia virus, also known as FeLV. Many vets consider a cat carrying the virus to be terminally ill, even though it is simply an immune compromising virus like HIV and cats can often live for years with it. Most local vets do not know much about treating cats with this disease, especially if they graduated from vet school a long time ago. I can not count the number of stories I have heard of people taking FeLV+ cats who were sick to a vet and the vet saying euthanasia was necessary, and the person refusing and taking the cat to a more knowledgeable vet who was able to treat the symptoms and help the cat recover from whatever secondary illness the cat had contracted due to being immune-compromised. You do not want a bill that allows an individual veterinarian to make the determination that an animal needs to be euthanized, and criminalizes a pet owner's
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Hi Joe and welcome to the list. Bless you for being the type of person to take in animals in need. My condolences on losing Zoro and Stitch. Thanks. :) It is entirely possible that Zoro had it first. I'd consider that less likely because Zoro was always well kept with regular veterinary care. At this point it doesn't really matter. Zoro's death was completely unrelated to FelV, btw. Everyone in this group understands the bonds of interspecies love and we know how much it hurts. You must be reeling from Chewie's pos test result. Did you bring Chewie home while Zoro was still with you? Minor confusion here. :) Chewie is the one who died recently, about a month ago. She was VERY sick and tested positive for FelV which led to our decision to put her to sleep. Stitch is now our only cat, and was the youngest of the three that we have had. I got Zoro first, when I was living by myself. Later on, when I was first living with my wife, before we were married, we got Chewie. Stitch came after that. There's no way to know who transmitted the disease to whom, I was just wondering. The good news is that Chewie is 3.5 yrs. Kittens who present symptoms of the disease usually do so before their 3rd birthday, so it's fabulous that Chewie is so healthy. Now I'm second-guessing. I remember we got Stitch around Thanksgiving - and that she was born in October but I'm having a hard time remembering if it was 2003 or 2004 that she was born and it makes a difference. :) are so many false pos using the in-house ELISA test that there is always the hope that they aren't really pos at all. Given your history, it seems less likely in your case though. It could be that Chewie is a carrier and will never develop symptoms, it could be that she is in the process of fighting off the disease and will later test neg. That's interesting. I had heard that healthy-appearing cats can show a false-negative, but that false-positives were not as common. In the meantime, you might want to visit our archives and do searches on our past discussions. I'll definitely do that. Is there a FAQ available? like. This is a very informative and supportive group, we're all in this together. Again, Thank you, Joe Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Sorry for getting their names confused. (No offense Stitch!). My brain doesn't seem to be working that great at the moment. Just for clarification, Zoro never tested pos for felv? You may be thinking of the false negs that are the result of the felv being sequestered in their bone marrow. When the virus isn't circulating in their blood stream, it can't be detected by the ELISA. Other than that, at least to my knowledge, the rate of false negs is very low. False pos on the other hand are more common. We don't have a FAQ section, but if you put in a key word in the search box you should come up with lots of results. Is there something specific that you are wondering about? Nina
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Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Sorry for getting their names confused. (No offense Stitch!). My brain doesn't seem to be working that great at the moment. Just for clarification, Zoro never tested pos for felv? Correct. It is possible that he had it, but he was never tested for it (while he was in my care), nor was I given any indication from his original owners that it was a possibility - they had another cat from the same litter who was still alive and healthy when Zoro died (at around 13). They also had another unrelated cat. We don't have a FAQ section, but if you put in a key word in the search box you should come up with lots of results. Is there something specific that you are wondering about? Not yet, but I thought I'd start there. :) Thanks, Joe Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
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Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
What does clinically doing ok mean? He acts ok but his bloodwork seems like he is dying? So is he clinically ok or not? I'm so confused. On 4/9/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Belinda responded to you on this already-- if Joey is clinically doing okay, I personally hate to use it on him right now as the side effects can make him sick. This seems to be CBC panel - do you have any additional blood work which tells all other his organ functions as well by any chance? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Actually looking at those numbers I am surprised he is feeling any better at all since his WBC was even higher last week than initially:(. Hideyo, or anyone else, do you know anything about Leukeran? That is his new drug. On 4/7/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. 3/21/07 CBC WBC 21.5 LYM 0.62 MONO 1.85 NEU 18.44 EOS 0.51 BASO .008 HCT 15.3 RBC 3.23 HGB 8.5 RETIC 11.3 MCV 47.4 RDW 22.3 MCH 26.36 PLT 731 MPV 9.29 PCT 0.7% PDW 22.7% 3/26/2007 WBC 16.96 LYM 0.81 MONO 1.52 NEU 14.38 BOS 0.22 BASO 0.05 HCT 12.6 RBC 2.59 HGB 7.9 RETIC 9.3 MCV 48.9 RDW 22.4 MCH 30.39 PLT 815 MPC 10.38 PCT 0.8% PDW 22.0% 4/4/2007 WBC 25.85 LYM 0.84 MONO 2.24 NEU 22.43 EOS .27 BASO 0.07 HCT 13.5 RBC 2.71 HGB 5.7 RETIC 21.0 MCV 50.0 RDW 20.5 MCH 20.95 PLT 425 MPV 17.09 PCT 0.7 PDW 22.6 On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post everything? If you can with what was before and what's now even thought they are within the normal range, that will be great! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Hideyo, I have all his blood values. I will give the ones out of normal range..if you want the others let me know.. WBC 25.85- up 16.9, ws in normal range, Mono 2.24, Neu, 22.43, up 14, hct 13.5, up 1%, rbc 2.71, hgb 5.7, mch 20.95. On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the PCV? You usually don't give transfusions until PCV is down below 12 or 13 if they are clinically ill - I personally say not to worry about WBC being up -- at least it means that the body is generating blood - How is the rest of the blood work look like, do you know? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Kelley, Prayers going out for little Joey. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am concerned, to put it mildly. My poor boy's PCV/RBC values are up, very slightly. I think the RBC went from 2.59 to 2.75. His white blood cell count is back up again, though - it had gone down last bloodwork. He still feels very good, and that's why my vet says to keep going. If he didn't feel good he says he'd tell me to stop now. I asked him about transfusion/epogen. He says with this type of anemia, it just gives the white blood cells more material to destroy. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey!
Re: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats
That looks prefect to me. I did email them and ask if they wanted additional animals added (ones not listed at petfinder), but I'm sure they are just trying to cope right now, and not checking email. If they do add more, you wont have to change anything, as the link will not change, I'll just add to that same page. It's SO tragic... Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Welcome to the group. You came to the right place for more info! Something I just have to mention though, right off-hand, is the option to adopt another FELV+ cat! SO many are euthanised only because they test positive, and most would have lived normal, healthy lives, if not for that ill-fated test result. I do understand not wanting to stress her with a new member to the family right now though, just wanted to put the idea into your head, for future reference. :-) I'm sure since I'm replying so late (I'm perpetually behind on email these days), someone has by now told you to re-test in 3-6 months, and confirm any ELISA (in vet office) tests with a IFA (which is sent out to a laboratory, and is more accurate). Also worth mentioning is that FELV+ cats should not be vaccinated for FELV, I know that sounds obvious, but many vets just rake in the $ by still giving the shots anyways, so be sure your vet ISN'T. Other vaccines should be carefully reconsidered, and only given if the risk indicates it's required to protect the cat. Any vaccine causes stress to the immune system, and since FELV is an immune system virus, you want to try to keep it as STRONG as possible, and vaccines are a extra weight on an already compromised system. For those you do choose to continue to give, you should request a non-adjuvanted version of the vaccine, as it has less harmful, toxic, and carcinogenic ingredients than regular vaccines (yes, vaccines are VERY nasty things - most people don't realize). Outside of the vaccination issue, there's general health and immune system considerations. The VERY FIRST thing you need to evaluate is the food you are feeding. FELV+ cats require a very optimal diet, and this is highly varied depending on owner preferences, BUT, you should either be feeding a super-premium commercial cat food, such as Innova, Wellness, Chicken Soup for the Cat, or Felidae (just some good examples - I feed felidae or Innova dry and merrick or innova canned), or you can make your own homemade diet using a recipe found from a reputable source, OR, you can feed raw (also requires good recipes to obtain optimal nutritional balance). Feeding the very best quality you can afford will go a long way in keeping your cat healthy. it can't be stressed enough, and it's one of the easiest changes to make. One thing to always keep in mind is that cats are obligate carnivores, so anything you feed them should be MOSTLY meat. If feeding a commercial cat food, the FIRST TWO ingredients should be some form of meat, ALWAYS. Also limit the amount of grains (rice, wheat, oats, bran) and NEVER feed corn (cat's can't digest it, and it has no nutritional value - plus it's the #1 cause of food allergies). The second thing to consider are immune system boosting treatments. This ranges from nutritional supplements like Lysine and Vitamin C, to prescription drugs like Immuno-Regulin and Interferon. Personally, I would immediately start supplementing with Lysine, as it's easy to pick up at any health food store (or even the drug store). Others here can post the optimal dosage (I don't recall it off-hand, and I'm not using it currently as I have no sick cats). Vitamin C is controversial in cat circles, do a web search for more info, but the general debate is that cat's create their own vitamin C, so they don't need extra, while others say extra helps boost the immune system. It's a personal choice, as so far I've seen no studies to indicate extra is harmful OR beneficial (it's a toss-up). As for drugs and more extensive measures, those are all summed up in brief on the main felineleukemia.org webpage, under treatments. If you want more info about anything listed there, just ask. Again, nice to have you here! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Re: More Recalls
*These were on the recall list last week...* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/9/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *FDA issues alert after salmonella found in locally-made dog chew* http://www.komotv.com/news/6927487.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: More Recalls
*Hard to say... but if you go to http://www.howl911.com/#foods the FDA shows those as recalled on 4-05-2007. This site seems to have the most current information.* -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
To Joe: Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Hi Joe, Welcome to the group. I'm really sorry to hear about Chewie and that Stitch has also tested positive for FeLV. The best thing you can do for Stitch is to educate yourself on this virus. It is a serious, and often times, deadly disease, but not necessarily a death sentence. Keeping Stitch stress-free and feeding him the best diet possible will go a long way in combatting the virus. FeLV is not AIDS for kitties, but it is similar in how it behaves. Keeping the immune system in top-notch shape is how we combat the virus in our beloved furbabies. Stitch may still throw off this virus, depending on when he was exposed, which could certainly have just been recently when Chewie got sick, even though they have been living together for a while. Also, there are a lot of false-positive tests. Retesting Stitch in 3-6 months with the IFA test would be a good idea. You are right to wait on adopting another cat right now, and if other cats stress Stitch out, I wouldn't get one at all, unless she does test negative in 3-6 months; then it won't matter too much if she gets a little stressed out. If Stitch is asymptomatic, there's not much else you can do, other than considering supplements for her immune system, like L-lysine (without propynol glycol) or Mega C. And keep us bookmarked because this is the place to be for FeLV info. Bless you for not pts this kitty and for taking such good care of her. Take care and keep us posted on Stitch! :) Wendy Dallas, TX Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
P.S. Re: To Joe: Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
P.S. There is a FAQ link on the Felineleukemia.org site that links to Cornell University's FAQ page, but beware, we here do not always agree with Cornell, and often find that some of their info. is outdated. Also, there is a Feline Leukemia Information link on the felineleukemia.org website towards the bottom of the page. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe, Welcome to the group. I'm really sorry to hear about Chewie and that Stitch has also tested positive for FeLV. The best thing you can do for Stitch is to educate yourself on this virus. It is a serious, and often times, deadly disease, but not necessarily a death sentence. Keeping Stitch stress-free and feeding him the best diet possible will go a long way in combatting the virus. FeLV is not AIDS for kitties, but it is similar in how it behaves. Keeping the immune system in top-notch shape is how we combat the virus in our beloved furbabies. Stitch may still throw off this virus, depending on when he was exposed, which could certainly have just been recently when Chewie got sick, even though they have been living together for a while. Also, there are a lot of false-positive tests. Retesting Stitch in 3-6 months with the IFA test would be a good idea. You are right to wait on adopting another cat right now, and if other cats stress Stitch out, I wouldn't get one at all, unless she does test negative in 3-6 months; then it won't matter too much if she gets a little stressed out. If Stitch is asymptomatic, there's not much else you can do, other than considering supplements for her immune system, like L-lysine (without propynol glycol) or Mega C. And keep us bookmarked because this is the place to be for FeLV info. Bless you for not pts this kitty and for taking such good care of her. Take care and keep us posted on Stitch! :) Wendy Dallas, TX Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?
Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here not too long ago the possibility of the father being responsible for the positive FeLV status of kittens, which might explain why some are pos. out of a litter but some not. How's that for a monkey wrench thrown into the mix?!!! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom is neg? I know that the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos. I will still have them tested, just want to know what your experience is. Right now I have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters with moms of unknown status. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
To Kelley: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good
Hey Kelley, What I noticed with these different results is Joey's reticulocyte count. I think the higher, the better. According to wikipedia, Reticulocytes are immature red blood cells, typically composing about 1% of the red cells in the human body (or kitty body per me). Reticulocytes develop and mature in the red bone marrow and then circulate for about a day in the blood stream before developing into mature red blood cells. Like mature red blood cells, reticulocytes do not have a cell nucleus. They are called reticulocytes because of a reticular (mesh-like) network of ribosomal RNA that becomes visible under a microscope with certain stains such as new methylene blue. I noticed that Joey's reticulocyte count is fairly high on this last set of labs, compared to the week before when they were lower. I hope this means good things for him. Maybe the wbc's are not killing off the rbc's so quickly now, explaining his unexplained health? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure. 3/21/07 CBC WBC 21.5 LYM 0.62 MONO 1.85 NEU 18.44 EOS 0.51 BASO .008 HCT 15.3 RBC 3.23 HGB 8.5 RETIC 11.3 MCV 47.4 RDW 22.3 MCH 26.36 PLT 731 MPV 9.29 PCT 0.7% PDW 22.7% 3/26/2007 WBC 16.96 LYM 0.81 MONO 1.52 NEU 14.38 BOS 0.22 BASO 0.05 HCT 12.6 RBC 2.59 HGB 7.9 RETIC 9.3 MCV 48.9 RDW 22.4 MCH 30.39 PLT 815 MPC 10.38 PCT 0.8% PDW 22.0% 4/4/2007 WBC 25.85 LYM 0.84 MONO 2.24 NEU 22.43 EOS .27 BASO 0.07 HCT 13.5 RBC 2.71 HGB 5.7 RETIC 21.0 MCV 50.0 RDW 20.5 MCH 20.95 PLT 425 MPV 17.09 PCT 0.7 PDW 22.6 On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post everything? If you can with what was before and what's now even thought they are within the normal range, that will be great! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Hideyo, I have all his blood values. I will give the ones out of normal range..if you want the others let me know.. WBC 25.85- up 16.9, ws in normal range, Mono 2.24, Neu, 22.43, up 14, hct 13.5, up 1%, rbc 2.71, hgb 5.7, mch 20.95. On 4/7/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the PCV? You usually don't give transfusions until PCV is down below 12 or 13 if they are clinically ill - I personally say not to worry about WBC being up -- at least it means that the body is generating blood - How is the rest of the blood work look like, do you know? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Joey - Bloodwork still not good Kelley, Prayers going out for little Joey. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am concerned, to put it mildly. My poor boy's PCV/RBC values are up, very slightly. I think the RBC went from 2.59 to 2.75. His white blood cell count is back up again, though - it had gone down last bloodwork. He still feels very good, and that's why my vet says to keep going. If he didn't feel good he says he'd tell me to stop now. I asked him about transfusion/epogen. He says with this type of anemia, it just gives the white blood cells more material to destroy. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 === message truncated === Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.
Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?
it was me just WONDERING if dads might have any impact on the status of the babies, as sometimes that might be the only explanation another area where research is needed but hasn't been possible in the past because the test population was routinely killed. MC On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here not too long ago the possibility of the father being responsible for the positive FeLV status of kittens, which might explain why some are pos. out of a litter but some not. How's that for a monkey wrench thrown into the mix?!!! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom is neg? I know that the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos. I will still have them tested, just want to know what your experience is. Right now I have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters with moms of unknown status. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
To MC: Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?
for me, possibility=wondering. my apologies if i offended you mc. that certainly wasn't my intention. :) wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it was me just WONDERING if dads might have any impact on the status of the babies, as sometimes that might be the only explanation another area where research is needed but hasn't been possible in the past because the test population was routinely killed. MC On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here not too long ago the possibility of the father being responsible for the positive FeLV status of kittens, which might explain why some are pos. out of a litter but some not. How's that for a monkey wrench thrown into the mix?!!! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom is neg? I know that the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos. I will still have them tested, just want to know what your experience is. Right now I have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters with moms of unknown status. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: To MC: Re: Mom cat neg/neg - chances of babies being pos?
nope On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for me, possibility=wondering. my apologies if i offended you mc. that certainly wasn't my intention. :) wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it was me just WONDERING if dads might have any impact on the status of the babies, as sometimes that might be the only explanation another area where research is needed but hasn't been possible in the past because the test population was routinely killed. MC On 4/9/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure (no experience), but someone posted here not too long ago the possibility of the father being responsible for the positive FeLV status of kittens, which might explain why some are pos. out of a litter but some not. How's that for a monkey wrench thrown into the mix?!!! :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, How likely are the babies to be pos, if the mom is neg? I know that the babies can still turn neg if the mom is pos. I will still have them tested, just want to know what your experience is. Right now I have 2 litters with a neg/neg mom, and 3 litters with moms of unknown status. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Some thoughts on Patti's post
Hi Dede, Will you be doing all this at night? Late, late at night or early, early morning when your neighbor will be asleep and/or can't see well? Cats go in first, and then the moving happens? Also, have you considering the meowing that might be going on from possibly 40 cats? You might need some help bringing a set amount in per day or per half day in case the cats get really loud and alert your neighbor. Do you have any family close that might help (obviously not your son, lol)? Maybe rent a small cottage somewhere for a couple of days that's close and secluded so that the move can be done in waves instead of all 40 at once. I think that will be the problem, especially considering your nosy neighbor. Also, running with cat carriers might alert your neighbor that you're hiding something. Walk calmly, like you're moving inanimate objects. Also, can you put the kitty carriers into big boxes so that it looks like you're just carrying boxes into the house? Is the garage connected to the house? I would play nice nice with my neighbor, but be careful not to make too good of friends. You don't want them knocking on your door every week to borrow a cup of sugar. It drives my husband nuts that I don't have to answer the door just because someone rang the doorbell. lol. I hope it works out Dede. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Many to add to prayers
Hi everyone,I need to ask for ALOT of prayers for a few of my sanctuary babies. Nathaniel,sweet handsome tiger and whit boy is terribly anemic and at Jens. Spencer,cute little tiger is a bit bloated and at tha clinic. Cassandra,sweet little black girl not eating well and a bit lethargig and is at the clinic. Camilla,crazy tortie seems to be coming down with something. Miller,sweet tiger seems under the weather. And Milton our new black and white handsome boy is coming down with something too.I TOTALLY fell in love with this boy tonight as soon as I seen his face. :) Sorry for the big list but you wonderful people have the power of good thoughts. Thank you soo much once AGAIN Sherry and her many furry friends - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
Laurel Please add to CLS
I think I may have posted a while back about sweet dilute calico Laurel.Well she was adopted by one of our volunteers Camden back last year sometime.I just found out tonight that felv claimed her too on Friday.He also lost Nya last year.He is a very brave man as many are here to take home feleuks.I am wrestling with the idea of bringing my VitterVits(Genevieve) home too,but I am afraid that my boys might get it.I would feel just aweful if they did.But I love that baby girl so much. Sherry - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
Re: Laurel Please add to CLS
Sympathies for Laurel, and to her dad. Almost CLS time here Phaewryn
Re: Some thoughts on Patti's post
I have security cameras on the porch and there are times when I will click on the audio and say I'm not interested in what your selling and that's all they get. Sometimes I'll look out the peep hole and just continue about my business, hubby say's man your a b*tch, he just has to answer the door :) It drives my husband nuts that I don't have to answer the door just because someone rang the doorbell. lol. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Some thoughts on Patti's post
I routinely don't answer the door and I have only one cat (I know this will change but I am building and one is enough right now). The point is: It is your door. Don't let him make you feel bad about letting the door do its job. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Patti's post I have security cameras on the porch and there are times when I will click on the audio and say I'm not interested in what your selling and that's all they get. Sometimes I'll look out the peep hole and just continue about my business, hubby say's man your a b*tch, he just has to answer the door :) It drives my husband nuts that I don't have to answer the door just because someone rang the doorbell. lol. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Some thoughts on Patti's post
When he calls me a b*tch, it's meant jokingly because he's too much of a wieny to ignore someone at the door. He just doesn't have it in him even though he knows they are going to try and sell him something and waste his time. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Some thoughts on Patti's post
We have six dogs and they sound just like you would expect a pack of dogs to sound when someone approaches the house. We have one of those heavy screen doors that you can see out of but can't see in. Bruce and I will watch as a solicitor approaches, thinks tentatively about knocking and then beats a hasty retreat. Nina Belinda wrote: When he calls me a b*tch, it's meant jokingly because he's too much of a wieny to ignore someone at the door. He just doesn't have it in him even though he knows they are going to try and sell him something and waste his time.
