Re: Update on Tomi, and my older kitty, Koda
I am very lucky to have a monument company in town (headstones etc) that will sandblast names into stones. There are portable machines (re marking date of deaths in pre-need stones). I can't tell you anything about prices since it varies so much from area to area. It sounds like Koda has a wonderful place for her body. Remember her heart is still with you and will be as long as you want it to be. She is so grateful to have left this world at home instead of at the vet's. She really didn't like that place at all. Much too cold for her. She sends her love and says she will send you a sign that is ok and happy. She had 12 wonderful years and thanks you for them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Update on Tomi, and my older kitty, Koda Thank you all. Well, Koda didn't make it through the night. We had a heating pad for her wrapped in flannel sheets. I went to bed at midnight last night, and my husband sat up with her for awhile. She passed away at 1am this morning. He said it was really hard to watch her go, but at least he was there for her in her last moments. We buried her in front of a huge rock that is on our lawn across the yard from our picture window. Her favorite place to sit was on the loveseat in front of that window, staring outside, so now she can still see her favorite spot. Afterwards, we went out collecting rocks from the ditches around our area. I want to make a big rock garden over and around her grave, and plant flowers in amongst the rocks...maybe some daisies. I just need to figure out a way to write her name on the rock. She was such a gentle soul. At least she had 12 good years she wouldn't have otherwise lived if we hadn't found her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Update on Tomi, and my older kitty, Koda Well, Tomi seems to be doing much better after his crash 2 weeks ago. He is acting alot more like his normal self, though I think he still is a little anemic. I don't understand how his PCV can go so low, then go back up on its own. I am hoping all the prayers helped him and he will continue to improve. I'm weaning him off the Prednisone, and though I can't get him to eat anything other than chicken liver and dry food, at least he is eating again. I've tried about 12 different brands of quality canned foods, plus homemade, and he will only take a few licks before he runs off licking and scratching himself. We seem to be destined for only a small break in fortune though, as our oldest cat, Koda, is now dying. We found Koda about 12 years ago. She was emaciated, and her ears, nose, and feet were frostbitten. We're not sure how old she was, but we guess she was at least 2-3 years at the time. Last summer she was diagnosed with diabetes, which we've controlled mainly with diet. Recently, we noticed she was quite constipated, and took her to the vet for an enema. She seemed fine up to that point, even though she was constipated. When we brought her home though, she wouldn't eat (very odd for her), and was lethargic. We took her back to the vet, and she ended up spending 2 days and 2 nights there. They said her kidneys and liver were failing. We brought her home today, since they couldn't do much more for her. At least she will be more comfortable at home. I don't think she will last the weekend though. She's too weak to move, and feels cold. She is also crying some, and I hope she is not in pain :(. I guess i'm hoping she will somehow pull through this like Tomi did. I just wish that my family could get out of crisis for awhile and return to normal. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM
Prednisone - Thank You
What a gratifying thing to get such caring and educational replies from you folks about my Timmy. I guess we get so used to bearing the burden on our own shoulders that we forget there are kindred souls out there doing the same thing. Well I am familiar with pred and its evils, I am unfortunately on it because of rheumatoid arthritis for which I refuse to take the going drugs, which are linked to lymphoma and blindness, both of which my father had, so my risk is increased right there. But I sure need SOMETHING. Plus, I have osteoporosis so I definitely should not take pred. So I take Miacalcin for that. The options are not very attractive in this business of getting old and sick! As for my vet, he did say something to the effect that pred can be and is used in felv cats to suppress some of the symptoms and assist in managing it, not that it impacts the disease and of course with the understanding of its undermining the immune system. My previous vets before I moved also used pred for various things and actually, I do, too, with my large population of all sorts of not only conditions but personalities. I will use it briefly for a cat who is so miserable it won't eat, can't smell food, can't breathe because of nasal discharge, etc. Usually it will get them eating pronto and get them over that hump without force feeding. I started this with the previous vets who would spike their initial shot of antibiotics in the office, for such things as severe URI's and urinary problems. It can get them peeing without being catheterized quite frequently. So this is the type of usage I use it for. I also have a cat who is pretty blind, who has seizures and I give it to him during spells when he's having more seizures. I have a couple cats who have severe stomatitis that nothing has worked for, so I use steroids for them to try to manage it. I know it sounds like I use it a lot but it's really not that much per cat and it's only after I and the vet have tried other things first. I try to keep it to surge type treatments and wean them off it asap. But I find it very valuable for sick cats. We have also used it for various cancers we have dealt with. Right now I have one who has a very ugly, nasty, runny tumor in his ear that has been removed once but came right back, and I don't think he could survive without his steroids, that thing gets out of control without them. We are looking for a specialist to operate again. The tumor is benign. In Timmy's current situation, he just got the upper respiratory that is still going around my brood but actually, he's been snotty in the nose since I got him some months ago, but it wasn't severe. I treated with clavamox at first and that was good except for the couple deep bites and all the scratches I got giving it to him, but it came right back and since it didn't seem to be bothering him and he wasn't sneezing it around, he was eating and acting very well, I figured I'd save the antibiotics for down the road when I figured we'd need them more. Actually I treated a couple times, once with baytril., but no steroids till this time. This time he got real sick with it as did my negatives who got it, some did die very quickly from it. We don't know what it is except it's viral. I've had a horrible winter with it, the worst of my life as far as sick cats. It's been a nightmare. But Timmy stopped eating suddenly and nothing tempted him, I tried all my tricks, salmon, etc etc, I have a cupboardfull. I got him on baytril immediately and then some dex and did get an immediate response from that in the eating department and he's been eating well ever since. He's been on it several days and today I am going to look very closely at starting the tapering process. No, I'm sure Timmy wasn't at this place more than a day or 2 at most because believe me, I monitor the whole area thoroughly on a daily basis. I do a roundup a little ways away from the actual farm buildings and provide food every day. Actually the dumping has gone way down the last year+. Before that, it was SEVERAL new ones per week. Now there has only been a few the whole winter and spring so far. All the locals know what I am doing etc. I even had the game commission people checking on me because someone called them saying I was acting suspiciously...Word gets around. This is a very small-town, rural area. Anyhow, I know who is there and who is new today. I have even, let's say, gone places perhaps I should not have gone, in order to rescue some, knowing they needed rescued! There is no way he was there surviving and going blind from the taurine thing. Believe me, I would dearly love to step in and not only feed the farmer's cats, but try and doctor them to a certain extent too, and especially spay and neuter. There are no subsidized programs around here. But there is just no way I could ever broach the subject with this farmer. Besides, I am managing all this
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas
In a message dated 5/12/07 3:01:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All pesticides are toxic poisons, something people tend to forget! That's why I do my best to avoid using them, and I use a flea shampoo first, as it rinses off. Like I said, if it has numerous warnings So true... And, I always tended to avoid using them, bathing dogs, etc., but now, since MVA it's not possible for me to get my dogs in tub (Especially, my Rottie. But I can't even lift my small [approx. 45 lbs.] dog into tub!!) And, when I [finally] got home from hosp., I had a SEVERE flea epidemic!!! (Rainy spring...) Needless to say, dogs had to go out, all my cats are indoor only, but, well, fleas are monsters!!! And, bathing some of my cats [now] is next to impossible. Any suggestions??? And, guess what? Another rainy spring, fleas are starting... I guess I could hose down bathe the K-9's prior to bringing them in. But, they only go out for walks, not chained outside or anything, but those dern fleas are quick What to do, what to do.. Hugs, A Confused Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o)
Hi Jeni Tad -- I haven't gotten the scoop yet on arrangements for Midnight. The elderly woman is leaving tomorrow, Monday, for NC. My rescue friend is supposed make sure that the elderly woman can provide, secure a place, for Midnight until she can be transported/placed. I was initially thinking just a few days after Monday or by Friday, the latest. Jeni, are you able to take her and hold her until you make the trip north? Am I reading this correctly ... you can take her from LI to your home for now and then, in a few weekends, take her to Tad? Let me know what I need to do. Thanks again ALL -- PAT JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tad and Patricia, I can't dirve her up until the weekend after next, my sister is coming in from France this weekend coming up and I haven't seen her in a year. The the weekend after that I could do it on a saturday. If need be I could keep her at my house unti then, just let me know. Thanks Jeni From: Tad Burnett Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:31:18 -0400 Sounds good to me... I am free most any time so let me know what time is good for you... Tad Patricia Lamoretti wrote: Hi Tad and Jeni -- Whatever timeframe works for Jeni. Apparently, Midnight, as they've named her, was initially in the elderly woman's home with her own cat prior to her being tested and spayed and they were absolutely fine together. My feeling is, she'll be OK with minimal adjustment. Midnight will be so happy! Just let me know your plan. PAT Tad Burnett wrote: Hi Jeni and Pat If you think this cat won't take more than average acclimation time I can take her at any time when ever its good time at your end... I have a smaller cage that is set up and empty right now and so long as she doesn't have to stay in it for a long time she should be fine... If she is healthy and not too aggressive.. The siamese that I am working with probably was a breeder and had lived in a cage all his life until he was dumped... He is very happy in his cage but when I let him out he hides and won't come out to eat, etc. so I am guessing he will have the big cage for a long while... My cats here all seem to except new comers with no problem and if your cat has been with other cats before there should be no problem with doing this any time And Jeni... where we met before with Luvy and Thurston would be great if we could do that again Let me know what you think Tad Patricia Lamoretti wrote: Hi Jeni and Tad -- I'm waiting for some confirmation tests. I could put her at my vet's for a day or so which would be in Rockville Centre. I'm still waiting for more info from the woman and my rescue friend. You guys are great! PAT JENI RECA wrote: Hi Tad and Patricia, I think I could help out and foster her for a week or two, until you get your new guy acclimated into your home Tad and then meet you in albany or close to it. I just can't keep her, my husband has offically limited me to three cats to keep. As long as she has a definate place to go I could take her in and she could hang out in a play cage (or bathroom depending on how she is, as long as she isnt a fighter she could hang out in the play cage) at first and see how she is with my cats (but what if she doesnt like cats?...what then?) Let me know if that would be helpful, I drive past queens and work in long island and could pick up the kitty, just as long as she has a forever home and unfortunately it can not be mine. Let me know if that helps. Jeni From: Patricia Lamoretti Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT) I don't think getting to Albany would be a problem. I'm also waiting for some confirmation results. I guess we could board her for a few days/week if needed. Not sure of her social status (sounds funny). I'll have to find out. PAT Tad Burnett wrote: Hi Pat Would she be able to get a ride north toward Albany... Or the north end of Ticonic Paryway ??? Do you know Jeni Reca ?? She lives in that area... Maybe she could help... Hi Jeni.. if you are there... I live near Rutland Vermont.. About 60 miles north of Albany... Also this cat would have to easily adjust to my other pos. cats.. Tad Patricia Lamoretti wrote: Long Island/Queens border by JFK. Tad Burnett wrote: Did we decide where in NY this kitty is located ??? Is it NYC or other part of NY State ??? Also.. How does this kitty act with other kitties ??? My new siamese loves his big isolation cage and it will be a while before he is ready to give it up... Tad Patricia Lamoretti wrote: I just received a call from a friend who has been trying to help an elderly woman place a FeLV/FIV positive cat. The elderly woman
Re: Cat on immunoregulin - colloidal silver
I have some Colloidal Silver, but have never learned to use it appropriately so it sits on my shelf. I know some folks who really like it. I do try a lot of different things. Quackwatch.com has interesting negative info, but is hardly a reliable source of balanced information. I think if it's not approved by the FDA and the AMA, he's negative on it. Gloria On May 12, 2007, at 3:16 PM, MaryChristine wrote: the emperor's new supplement On 5/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, the stuff that turns people BLUE. Love that stuff, the best snake oil treatment in decades! http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/ silverad.html http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html If your cat is a Russian Blue, I suppose it's totally harmless, LOL! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Charlie Brown - Long
My Charlie Brown is leaving me. This wonderful old man has been with me for fifteen years. I've never had a sweeter or smarter cat in my life. He was diagnosed with felv four years ago. The doctor said he was very sick and he wouldn't make it another week and wanted to put him down, He wouldn't even give me antibiotics to try and help his respiratory infection. I brought him home gave him amoxi drops I had from another kitties uri bout, food and water and round the clock love and care. He started to improve right away and had been healthy and happy for four more years. Two days ago I woke to find him unable to walk. I thought he wouldn't make it through the morning, but he is still here. I know in my heart that he does not want to be put down in a doctors office he is fighting so hard to stay, as sick as he is he still tries to crawl to food plate. He doesn't want me to syringe feed him, he wants me to hold him over his plate so he can eat own his own. He is the toughest little guy I have ever known and I am so grateful for the last four years we have had together. Please pray for us both. Sheila ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Update on Tomi, and my older kitty, Koda
Cassandra, I am so very sorry. It will mean a lot to have her buried there. My heart hurts with you. elizabeth On 5/12/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all. Well, Koda didn't make it through the night. We had a heating pad for her wrapped in flannel sheets. I went to bed at midnight last night, and my husband sat up with her for awhile. She passed away at 1am this morning. He said it was really hard to watch her go, but at least he was there for her in her last moments. We buried her in front of a huge rock that is on our lawn across the yard from our picture window. Her favorite place to sit was on the loveseat in front of that window, staring outside, so now she can still see her favorite spot. Afterwards, we went out collecting rocks from the ditches around our area. I want to make a big rock garden over and around her grave, and plant flowers in amongst the rocks...maybe some daisies. I just need to figure out a way to write her name on the rock. She was such a gentle soul. At least she had 12 good years she wouldn't have otherwise lived if we hadn't found her. Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, May 11, 2007 10:44 PM *Subject:* Update on Tomi, and my older kitty, Koda Well, Tomi seems to be doing much better after his crash 2 weeks ago. He is acting alot more like his normal self, though I think he still is a little anemic. I don't understand how his PCV can go so low, then go back up on its own. I am hoping all the prayers helped him and he will continue to improve. I'm weaning him off the Prednisone, and though I can't get him to eat anything other than chicken liver and dry food, at least he is eating again. I've tried about 12 different brands of quality canned foods, plus homemade, and he will only take a few licks before he runs off licking and scratching himself. We seem to be destined for only a small break in fortune though, as our oldest cat, Koda, is now dying. We found Koda about 12 years ago. She was emaciated, and her ears, nose, and feet were frostbitten. We're not sure how old she was, but we guess she was at least 2-3 years at the time. Last summer she was diagnosed with diabetes, which we've controlled mainly with diet. Recently, we noticed she was quite constipated, and took her to the vet for an enema. She seemed fine up to that point, even though she was constipated. When we brought her home though, she wouldn't eat (very odd for her), and was lethargic. We took her back to the vet, and she ended up spending 2 days and 2 nights there. They said her kidneys and liver were failing. We brought her home today, since they couldn't do much more for her. At least she will be more comfortable at home. I don't think she will last the weekend though. She's too weak to move, and feels cold. She is also crying some, and I hope she is not in pain :(. I guess i'm hoping she will somehow pull through this like Tomi did. I just wish that my family could get out of crisis for awhile and return to normal. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
Oh Sheila - this has to be so hard. I wish there was something your vet could do. Charlie Brown is lucky to have a mom who loves him so much. elizabeth On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Charlie Brown is leaving me. This wonderful old man has been with me for fifteen years. I've never had a sweeter or smarter cat in my life. He was diagnosed with felv four years ago. The doctor said he was very sick and he wouldn't make it another week and wanted to put him down, He wouldn't even give me antibiotics to try and help his respiratory infection. I brought him home gave him amoxi drops I had from another kitties uri bout, food and water and round the clock love and care. He started to improve right away and had been healthy and happy for four more years. Two days ago I woke to find him unable to walk. I thought he wouldn't make it through the morning, but he is still here. I know in my heart that he does not want to be put down in a doctors office he is fighting so hard to stay, as sick as he is he still tries to crawl to food plate. He doesn't want me to syringe feed him, he wants me to hold him over his plate so he can eat own his own. He is the toughest little guy I have ever known and I am so grateful for the last four years we have had together. Please pray for us both. Sheila -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503.
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
Sheila,I am so sorry to hear about your sweet Charlie Brown.I hope he is able to leave peacefully when the time comes.Thank goodness he has had you for all these years.Hugs to you. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Charlie Brown is leaving me. This wonderful old man has been with me for fifteen years. I've never had a sweeter or smarter cat in my life. He was diagnosed with felv four years ago. The doctor said he was very sick and he wouldn't make it another week and wanted to put him down, He wouldn't even give me antibiotics to try and help his respiratory infection. I brought him home gave him amoxi drops I had from another kitties uri bout, food and water and round the clock love and care. He started to improve right away and had been healthy and happy for four more years. Two days ago I woke to find him unable to walk. I thought he wouldn't make it through the morning, but he is still here. I know in my heart that he does not want to be put down in a doctors office he is fighting so hard to stay, as sick as he is he still tries to crawl to food plate. He doesn't want me to syringe feed him, he wants me to hold him over his plate so he can eat own his own. He is the toughest little guy I have ever known and I am so grateful for the last four years we have had together. Please pray for us both. Sheila - See what's free at AOL.com. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Re: painless ways to donate thread
Don't forget the Animal Rescue site. One click a day helps fund food for animals. Now that's painless! www.theanimalrescuesite.com On 5/12/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thing that I do is set up individual affiliates with a lot of the pet stores I have not gotten that page re-set up since I moved the website, but I will. Typically an individual store will pay more to an affiliate than they will if you go through something like igive. I have affilaite status with Drs Foster Smith and some others. They do not require as high a payment threshold as does Igive. On 5/12/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goodsearch is great if you don't search too much for their taste. And it isn't really difficult. I do too much searching for them. IGive has some wonderful stores--at least ones I really like. I've moved from a fairly large city to a very rural county so on line shopping is a major thing for me. This and Amazon.com keep things running. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: Re: painless ways to donate thread That goodsearch link is cool. I'm a big time googler, I suppose it would be at least partially painless to switch to that search. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
Please allow Charlie Brown to leave this world the way he wants to. It is so very difficult. I did it with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and have never regretted it. He loves you so very much. Make sure and tell him it is ok to leave when he is ready and that you will be ok-that he will still be with you in another, healthy form and that, if he wants to, he can come back as another cat. Blessings and peace to both of you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Charlie Brown - Long Oh Sheila - this has to be so hard. I wish there was something your vet could do. Charlie Brown is lucky to have a mom who loves him so much. elizabeth On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Charlie Brown is leaving me. This wonderful old man has been with me for fifteen years. I've never had a sweeter or smarter cat in my life. He was diagnosed with felv four years ago. The doctor said he was very sick and he wouldn't make it another week and wanted to put him down, He wouldn't even give me antibiotics to try and help his respiratory infection. I brought him home gave him amoxi drops I had from another kitties uri bout, food and water and round the clock love and care. He started to improve right away and had been healthy and happy for four more years. Two days ago I woke to find him unable to walk. I thought he wouldn't make it through the morning, but he is still here. I know in my heart that he does not want to be put down in a doctors office he is fighting so hard to stay, as sick as he is he still tries to crawl to food plate. He doesn't want me to syringe feed him, he wants me to hold him over his plate so he can eat own his own. He is the toughest little guy I have ever known and I am so grateful for the last four years we have had together. Please pray for us both. Sheila See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
Hi Sheila, *BIG HUGS* Yes, please let him go the way he wants. He has fought to stay on - I don't think he wants anyone to decide when its time. Give him all the love you can. Prayers and Hugs for you both. Naz and Abu From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Charlie Brown - Long Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:26:15 -0500 Please allow Charlie Brown to leave this world the way he wants to. It is so very difficult. I did it with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and have never regretted it. He loves you so very much. Make sure and tell him it is ok to leave when he is ready and that you will be ok-that he will still be with you in another, healthy form and that, if he wants to, he can come back as another cat. Blessings and peace to both of you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Charlie Brown - Long Oh Sheila - this has to be so hard. I wish there was something your vet could do. Charlie Brown is lucky to have a mom who loves him so much. elizabeth On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Charlie Brown is leaving me. This wonderful old man has been with me for fifteen years. I've never had a sweeter or smarter cat in my life. He was diagnosed with felv four years ago. The doctor said he was very sick and he wouldn't make it another week and wanted to put him down, He wouldn't even give me antibiotics to try and help his respiratory infection. I brought him home gave him amoxi drops I had from another kitties uri bout, food and water and round the clock love and care. He started to improve right away and had been healthy and happy for four more years. Two days ago I woke to find him unable to walk. I thought he wouldn't make it through the morning, but he is still here. I know in my heart that he does not want to be put down in a doctors office he is fighting so hard to stay, as sick as he is he still tries to crawl to food plate. He doesn't want me to syringe feed him, he wants me to hold him over his plate so he can eat own his own. He is the toughest little guy I have ever known and I am so grateful for the last four years we have had together. Please pray for us both. Sheila See what's free at AOL.com. _ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-sg Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today!
Re: Cat on immunoregulin - colloidal silver
Yeap. Colloidal silver- that's what my vet prescribed. I'm still waiting for him to get back with some for me. Abu's not on chemo yet as we've not confirmed what the lump is yet - we'll be doing that on Thursday (please pray for him that its dissapeared by thursday). Another thing, has anyone tried Renafood? I can't get them to ship the item to Singapore. I even called Standard process and they said they won't accept my vet's prescription. They'll only take a US based vet's prescription. I so need to help Abu. I'm going to work hard to get my baby better. Nazleen From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Cat on immunoregulin - colloidal silver Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 07:52:18 -0500 I have some Colloidal Silver, but have never learned to use it appropriately so it sits on my shelf. I know some folks who really like it. I do try a lot of different things. Quackwatch.com has interesting negative info, but is hardly a reliable source of balanced information. I think if it's not approved by the FDA and the AMA, he's negative on it. Gloria On May 12, 2007, at 3:16 PM, MaryChristine wrote: the emperor's new supplement On 5/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, the stuff that turns people BLUE. Love that stuff, the best snake oil treatment in decades! http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/ silverad.html http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html If your cat is a Russian Blue, I suppose it's totally harmless, LOL! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 _ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview
topic change:- fleas
plant pennyroyal outside in your yards. it's an herb, and it grows like, well, a weed while pennyroyal OIL itself can be toxic in high concentration, as was mentioned before, it's been used as part of flea repellant preparations for years. back before they made the topical flea products, during a really bad flea summer, friends noticed that their household had NONE while everyone they knew were just infested. and they had a dog that was in and out they had a rock garden, and they'd planted pennyroyal in that. being the weedy little thing that it is, it basically took over the yard--so everytime Dag (yes, that was her name) was racing around in the yard, she was busily repelling fleas -- by the time she came in, no visitors came in with her. my friends were of the sort who did a lot out in their yard--gardening, having big parties, etc--and they didn't bring the little buggies in with them, either. worth a try, and smells nice, too. On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/12/07 3:01:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All pesticides are toxic poisons, something people tend to forget! That's why I do my best to avoid using them, and I use a flea shampoo first, as it rinses off. Like I said, if it has numerous warnings So true... And, I always tended to avoid using them, bathing dogs, etc., but now, since MVA it's not possible for me to get my dogs in tub (Especially, my Rottie. But I can't even lift my small [approx. 45 lbs.] dog into tub!!) And, when I [finally] got home from hosp., I had a SEVERE flea epidemic!!! (Rainy spring...) Needless to say, dogs *had* to go out, all my cats are indoor only, but, well, fleas are monsters!!! And, bathing some of my cats [now] is next to impossible. Any suggestions??? And, guess what? Another rainy spring, fleas are starting... I guess I *could* hose down bathe the K-9's prior to bringing them in. But, they only go out for walks, not *chained *outside or anything, but those dern fleas are quick What to do, what to do.. Hugs, A Confused Patti her gang -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: topic change:- fleas
The oil is also used as a flea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea repellant for pets. This latter usage is the origin of the plant's Latin species name, the flea being /Pulex irritans/. However the distantly related American Pennyroyal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pennyroyal or /Hedeoma pulegioides/ is the source of much of what is called /*pennyroyal oil*/. Love that Google! N MaryChristine wrote: plant pennyroyal outside in your yards. it's an herb, and it grows like, well, a weed while pennyroyal OIL itself can be toxic in high concentration, as was mentioned before, it's been used as part of flea repellant preparations for years. back before they made the topical flea products, during a really bad flea summer, friends noticed that their household had NONE while everyone they knew were just infested. and they had a dog that was in and out they had a rock garden, and they'd planted pennyroyal in that. being the weedy little thing that it is, it basically took over the yard--so everytime Dag (yes, that was her name) was racing around in the yard, she was busily repelling fleas -- by the time she came in, no visitors came in with her. my friends were of the sort who did a lot out in their yard--gardening, having big parties, etc--and they didn't bring the little buggies in with them, either. worth a try, and smells nice, too.
need infor help! hypoglycemia (sp?)
Hi, everyone something awful happened to one of my diabetic kitty, Leo - I boarded him at my vet clinic over night and something awful happened - they might have gave him (or may not have) too much insulin and his glucose level got too low - and he was almost in coma yesterday, - since no one at the clinic over night, we don't know how long he was in the condition - they gave him injections to bring his glucose up right away, he became conscious - but he is still having a seizures - the vet thinks it is probably due to the fact that he was out of oxygen for a long time..-now he seems to be developing neurogical sign - he can't or does not want to lay down, but rather stretching his both arms spread and sleeping flat - and he goes circle when he gets seizures - the vet think he may overcome it but, there is nothing they can do - maybe fluid went to his brain or his brain is swollen - he is also running fever - anyone has any experience about symptoms like this - if you do please share - I am so devastated as he was just a happy healthy boy before I took him there!
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
Dear Sheila, Please know that both you Charlie will be in my prayers. I know you must be so heartbroken. What a wonderful life you have given him Reading your story reminded me of my Mr. Chow - the first fur baby I had w/ Felv. This was YEARS ago, no testing, blah, blah, blah.. I saved him when we had the Three Mile Island incident here. His owner decided to leave town was going to put him in a shelter.. That I couldn't take... Long family history w/ Mr. Chow, her ex-husband had mom, Casey, I had Pee Wee, a sibling from another litter.. I couldn't bear the thought of what would happen to him in a shelter. (And I did have Casey spayed after the last litter w/ Pee Wee) Mr. Chow was gorgeous, LH, red, ever so sweet.. I had him for many wonderful years, he brought so much love happiness to me. Then one day he just collapsed.No warning, no other problems... I was devastated took him immediately to vet... They did many tests. He showed no signs of what his problem was.. So, I decided to have that thing [can't remember the word,sorry], and he had lymphoma [BIG TIME].due to Felv. which was discovered doing primary/initial BW. (After MANY years, things changed...) Apparently he had lived w/ Felv for a long time...When they had put him under for the procedure, things looked REAL bad. And he was in so much pain I reluctantly made the decision NOT to bring him back from anesthesiaHis prognosis was so very bad. Broke my heart, but I loved him so much, I didn't want him to have to endure such a lousy life. And, he DID live to be 14 Who knows how long he had Felv? My Mr. Chow was my first encounter w/ Felv. And, bless him, that made a major difference. I NEEDED to know all/anything about this dreaded disease. All this just proves Felv is NOT a death sentence. Only wish more vets, rescues, etc. would feel the same way :( Having been involved w/ shelter I know only too well that many Felv cats can live a long life. Just wanted to let you know you're both in my prayers And, share my story.. (Maybe already did, but this memory/brain thing, well, that says it all.) Much love hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Prednisone - Thank You
The cat with the ear tumor would be MUCH better off long-term by having the ear removed than by being on pred long-term. There is a very involved, but effective total ear abalation surgery that removes the entire ear canal, including the inner and outer ear, and usually leaves a normal looking ear flap, but if the tumor involves the flap, you could take that as well. If it's only on the flap, of course, that's VERY easy to remove. I have not heard of Pred being used for seizures, but I could be wrong there. The extreme nasal discharge you are describing sounds like it began as a Herpes outbreak, or possibly Calici, and has since turned into a bacterial nasal infection in some of your cats. I would advise stronger or different antibiotics if you are not seeing improvement within 1 week of starting your current antibiotics. Another thing worth trying is testing the mucous for fungal infection, which often is something that is overlooked unless the owner specifically requests it be checked for. Here is a lab service that can test for most URI issues: http://www.zoologix.com/dogcat/Datasheets/FelineRespiratoryPanel.htm But, I would consider also doing a fungal test, at least for the most common nasal fungal infection, Cryptococcosis, as it is a serious issue if left untreated (the fungus can eat out the bones in the face if left to fester - it can also lead to some of the other symptoms you mentioned in your other cats, like blindness, and seizures - it's all around a NASTY thing that should be seriously considered if antibiotics do not help). http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6653O=Generic Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas
Patti, I think in cases where people have indoor/outdoor pets, like dogs, and live in a high flea zone, it's almost impossible to avoid repellant type fleas medications. It's probably worth the risk in those cases. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
Sending peace to Charlie Brown... I would want to know why he stopped being able to walk overnight, were it me, personally. Could be entirely curable. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: Cat on immunoregulin - colloidal silver
A home-made renal diet would be far superior to any you could buy commercially anyways, I believe Belinda can share a recipe or two with you... Belinda...? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: need infor help! hypoglycemia (sp?)
Low blood glucose can and does lead to permanent neurological issues. He may not get better. BUT, don't write him off just yet, let his glucose stabilize for a week, and see, before making any decisions. Even if he is neurologically disabled, that's not a death sentence. Many cats learn to cope with neurological difficulties and live happy lives! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
RE: need infor help! hypoglycemia (sp?)
There is no way that I am just going to give him up - he almost died a couple of years ago after the dental surgery and he did not eat or move at all for two weeks - my vet thought I should have euthanized him, but I was not ready to give him up - in two weeks later, he all of sudden stood up and started eating - he is my miracle boy - this is all my fault - there is no way - I can't give it up on him! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need infor help! hypoglycemia (sp?) Low blood glucose can and does lead to permanent neurological issues. He may not get better. BUT, don't write him off just yet, let his glucose stabilize for a week, and see, before making any decisions. Even if he is neurologically disabled, that's not a death sentence. Many cats learn to cope with neurological difficulties and live happy lives! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
I'm sorry I forgot to say I took Charlie to the nearest vet thirty miles from home (I'm very rural) Friday morning. The Doc only did blood test and told me its the felv and that we should pts. Charlie doesn't want to go that way. I called around to other doctors offices all are closed for weekend. The nearest emergency vet is over a hundred miles from here and I just don't think he could take the drive. Tomorrow I will try to find another vet closer to us. Thanks for your thoughts and prayers. Sheila ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas
I use Revolution for heartworms. How do yall prevent heartworms w/out Revolution? Are there other ways? On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patti, I think in cases where people have indoor/outdoor pets, like dogs, and live in a high flea zone, it's almost impossible to avoid repellant type fleas medications. It's probably worth the risk in those cases. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas
some of live in places where heartworms haven't discovered cats yet.. or, at least, where vets don't think they have. On 5/13/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Revolution for heartworms. How do yall prevent heartworms w/out Revolution? Are there other ways? On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patti, I think in cases where people have indoor/outdoor pets, like dogs, and live in a high flea zone, it's almost impossible to avoid repellant type fleas medications. It's probably worth the risk in those cases. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
That sucks! No way could I ever live THAT far out in the middle of no where! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas
I'm in Vermont, we don't have mosquitoes very much here, certainly not in the house! No risk here. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas
Yall are lucky in that respect. For me it is a much bigger risk to leave them unprotected for heartworms. Awareness is ok around here..we even have a billbord on I-35 - One heartworm can kill your cat. Treatment isn't anywhere naer as good as it is in dogs. So many times I find it is a matter of picking which option is less dangerous. Which I hate, but what can you do On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in Vermont, we don't have mosquitoes very much here, certainly not in the house! No risk here. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Prednisone - Thank You
Bless you Teresa, for being you:) Prednisone can be very effective with helping a number of things, you simply have to be aware of its effect on the immune system with long term use and weigh the benefits. With my Ninja, it controlled her seizures (believed to be caused by a meningioma) quite well for about 3 months when we had to add phenobarbital to the mix. She was seizure-free for her last 2 months:) Your crew is very lucky to have you as a caretaker. I've spoken about this with other list members (and my therapist) about how there seems to be an inverse relationship between wealth and compassion. There are always exceptions to any rule, but I have run into this one an awful lot since I've been on the fringes of rescue and involved with this list. Keep being who you are and doing what you do; you ARE making a difference. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Teresa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:48:39 AM Subject: Prednisone - Thank You What a gratifying thing to get such caring and educational replies from you folks about my Timmy. I guess we get so used to bearing the burden on our own shoulders that we forget there are kindred souls out there doing the same thing. Well I am familiar with pred and its evils, I am unfortunately on it because of rheumatoid arthritis for which I refuse to take the going drugs, which are linked to lymphoma and blindness, both of which my father had, so my risk is increased right there. But I sure need SOMETHING. Plus, I have osteoporosis so I definitely should not take pred. So I take Miacalcin for that. The options are not very attractive in this business of getting old and sick! As for my vet, he did say something to the effect that pred can be and is used in felv cats to suppress some of the symptoms and assist in managing it, not that it impacts the disease and of course with the understanding of its undermining the immune system. My previous vets before I moved also used pred for various things and actually, I do, too, with my large population of all sorts of not only conditions but personalities. I will use it briefly for a cat who is so miserable it won't eat, can't smell food, can't breathe because of nasal discharge, etc. Usually it will get them eating pronto and get them over that hump without force feeding. I started this with the previous vets who would spike their initial shot of antibiotics in the office, for such things as severe URI's and urinary problems. It can get them peeing without being catheterized quite frequently. So this is the type of usage I use it for. I also have a cat who is pretty blind, who has seizures and I give it to him during spells when he's having more seizures. I have a couple cats who have severe stomatitis that nothing has worked for, so I use steroids for them to try to manage it. I know it sounds like I use it a lot but it's really not that much per cat and it's only after I and the vet have tried other things first. I try to keep it to surge type treatments and wean them off it asap. But I find it very valuable for sick cats. We have also used it for various cancers we have dealt with. Right now I have one who has a very ugly, nasty, runny tumor in his ear that has been removed once but came right back, and I don't think he could survive without his steroids, that thing gets out of control without them. We are looking for a specialist to operate again. The tumor is benign. In Timmy's current situation, he just got the upper respiratory that is still going around my brood but actually, he's been snotty in the nose since I got him some months ago, but it wasn't severe. I treated with clavamox at first and that was good except for the couple deep bites and all the scratches I got giving it to him, but it came right back and since it didn't seem to be bothering him and he wasn't sneezing it around, he was eating and acting very well, I figured I'd save the antibiotics for down the road when I figured we'd need them more. Actually I treated a couple times, once with baytril., but no steroids till this time. This time he got real sick with it as did my negatives who got it, some did die very quickly from it. We don't know what it is except it's viral. I've had a horrible winter with it, the worst of my life as far as sick cats. It's been a nightmare. But Timmy stopped eating suddenly and nothing tempted him, I tried all my tricks, salmon, etc etc, I have a cupboardfull. I got him on baytril immediately and then some dex and did get an immediate response from that in the eating department and he's been eating well ever since. He's been on it several days and today I am going to look very closely at starting the
Re: Charlie Brown - Long
Oh Sheila, my heart goes out to you both. GLOW and hugs to you and Charlie Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 8:02:11 AM Subject: Charlie Brown - Long My Charlie Brown is leaving me. This wonderful old man has been with me for fifteen years. I've never had a sweeter or smarter cat in my life. He was diagnosed with felv four years ago. The doctor said he was very sick and he wouldn't make it another week and wanted to put him down, He wouldn't even give me antibiotics to try and help his respiratory infection. I brought him home gave him amoxi drops I had from another kitties uri bout, food and water and round the clock love and care. He started to improve right away and had been healthy and happy for four more years. Two days ago I woke to find him unable to walk. I thought he wouldn't make it through the morning, but he is still here. I know in my heart that he does not want to be put down in a doctors office he is fighting so hard to stay, as sick as he is he still tries to crawl to food plate. He doesn't want me to syringe feed him, he wants me to hold him over his plate so he can eat own his own. He is the toughest little guy I have ever known and I am so grateful for the last four years we have had together. Please pray for us both. Sheila See what's free at AOL.com. Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
