Re: the labs are on their way
Kelly, Where in Seattle are these kitties going? More direct location would help. Seattle is huge and there are many Vets all over. I'm in WA. and Belinda is too. In a message dated 5/17/2007 1:57:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well we are still positive, but the rest of the labs look good. Please, I am still seeking a good vet in Seattle,, Thanks kelly Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: the labs are on their way
At 09:21 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: I am nut sure of her address as yet, but i can get it. thanks Kelly Kelly, Where in Seattle are these kitties going? More direct location would help. Seattle is huge and there are many Vets all over. I'm in WA. and Belinda is too. In a message dated 5/17/2007 1:57:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well we are still positive, but the rest of the labs look good. Please, I am still seeking a good vet in Seattle,, Thanks kelly Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
RE: FIV Testing...
Many many thanks. I will go dig the article out and send it along. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIV Testing... there is virtually no such thing as a positive kitten--unlike the FeLV virus, kittens will test positive for FIV based on MOM'S antibodies, and will continue to test positive until at LEAST six months old when mom's antibodies pass from their systems. can someone please go read one of the articles at FELV+, FIV+, FIP http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and send the appropriate one? i do not have the time to do so -- or do a web search for Maternal Antibodies in FIV. every vet should KNOW this. MC On 5/18/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV. Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is * Should I ask what test was done-is it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) * Isn't it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? I'm afraid I can't provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV Testing...
there is virtually no such thing as a positive kitten--unlike the FeLV virus, kittens will test positive for FIV based on MOM'S antibodies, and will continue to test positive until at LEAST six months old when mom's antibodies pass from their systems. can someone please go read one of the articles at FELV+, FIV+, FIPhttp://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.htmland send the appropriate one? i do not have the time to do so -- or do a web search for Maternal Antibodies in FIV. every vet should KNOW this. MC On 5/18/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV… Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is - Should I ask what test was doneis it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) Isn't it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? I'm afraid I can't provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found… *Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org * *Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals * No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV Testing...
At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is * Should I ask what test was doneis it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) * Isnt it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? Im afraid I cant provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) http://www.findkpets.orgwww.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
Re: RE: FIV Testing...
Chris, I am so hoping that you can rescue this kitten. For the kitten's sake of course, but also to help educate this vet's office. They need to see that an fiv test in such a little baby is not indicative of having the disease. Hell, an fiv test in a cat that truly has fiv is not a death sentence! From all I've learned, from living with an fiv boy and hearing about so so many others, it's nothing to be afraid of at all. Please let us know what happens to this little angel. You have an opportunity to educate these people and that little darling is staking her life on it. (Sorry about the pressure). Where is she? Nina Chris wrote: Many many thanks... I will go dig the article out and send it along... /Christiane Biagi/ /914-632-4672/ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ /Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)/ /www.findkpets.org http://www.findkpets.org/ /Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals/ -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *MaryChristine *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2007 12:50 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: FIV Testing... there is virtually no such thing as a positive kitten--unlike the FeLV virus, kittens will test positive for FIV based on MOM'S antibodies, and will continue to test positive until at LEAST six months old when mom's antibodies pass from their systems. can someone please go read one of the articles at FELV+, FIV+, FIP http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and send the appropriate one? i do not have the time to do so -- or do a web search for Maternal Antibodies in FIV. every vet should KNOW this. MC On 5/18/07, *Kelly L* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV... Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is · Should I ask what test was doneis it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) · Isn't it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? I'm afraid I can't provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found... /Christiane Biagi// 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / /Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)// www.findkpets.org http://www.findkpets.org / /Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals// / No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: RE: FIV Testing...
This was a cross post from someone I work. She had gone to her vets office they told her about the kitten. I believe it is somehwere in Baton Rouge, LA. I just sent her off all the info and sent her some links including studies that document that normally, FIV not transmitted thru birth. I know she'll look at all of it and talk to her vet hopefully she'll be able to have them save this kitten. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: FIV Testing... Chris, I am so hoping that you can rescue this kitten. For the kitten's sake of course, but also to help educate this vet's office. They need to see that an fiv test in such a little baby is not indicative of having the disease. Hell, an fiv test in a cat that truly has fiv is not a death sentence! From all I've learned, from living with an fiv boy and hearing about so so many others, it's nothing to be afraid of at all. Please let us know what happens to this little angel. You have an opportunity to educate these people and that little darling is staking her life on it. (Sorry about the pressure). Where is she? Nina Chris wrote: Many many thanks. I will go dig the article out and send it along. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIV Testing... there is virtually no such thing as a positive kitten--unlike the FeLV virus, kittens will test positive for FIV based on MOM'S antibodies, and will continue to test positive until at LEAST six months old when mom's antibodies pass from their systems. can someone please go read one of the articles at FELV+, FIV+, FIP http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and send the appropriate one? i do not have the time to do so -- or do a web search for Maternal Antibodies in FIV. every vet should KNOW this. MC On 5/18/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV. Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is * Should I ask what test was done-is it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) * Isn't it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? I'm afraid I can't provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: the labs are on their way
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Re: the labs are on their way
At 06:00 PM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell me about good FELV vets there...if you can/? Kelly Yes, I'm in Sumner about 20, 25 miles south of Seattle. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?
Oh, probably 15 years ago I took my big boy Boots (in Heaven) to our vet and we got into a discussion about rabies. The doctor said, Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: My veterinarian told me it was against the law to have animals not vaccinated against rabies. I tend to believe him since it is his license on the line, and I've never looked up the state code. I just tried to look it up, see if this is it. http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/idcu/health/zoonosis/laws/vaccine/ I think we are going to get to where we specialize in tiny kittens. I am really, really interested in finding out more about treating them as *everyone* i know around here says 30%+ mortality rate is common. Even my vet keeps telling me to not beat myself up too much. Heck, one of them died AT the vet and they could not determine anything wrong. She just died. On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who told you it is the law? What state/county are you in? In California, different counties have different requirements re rabies vaccinations but all those counties that do require a vaccine will allow a vet to temporarily waive the requirement for sound medical reasons. If the law is different where you are, could you give me the citation, whether it is state code or local regulation. I'd like to take a look. I rarely do tiny kittens, and almost never have bottle babies. (Though I have a great foster who loves to take on the little ones and also has no real mortality rate.) I've had some very sick 2 or 3 month olds from shelters, as well as adults, but I rarely have anyone under 6 weeks. (Never mind the 4 week old in my bathroom. It was an emergency.) Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't panleuk, then. I have not brought anyone new in 2 weeks. Just pray the rest of them live. They seem so much better after the zithro. I can't believe you have never lost anyone to shelter URI. I have much to learn from you. I lost 1 per litter last year. They didn't vaccinate her while she was nursing. She was in late stage pregnancy. They WILL vaccinate nursing moms, and have. It is the law. I am lucky my vet will see my Missy without forcing me to vaccinate her against rabies. On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: Panleuk will kill within 7-10 days tops. If the shelter vaccinated the momcat while she was nursing, that can explain a lot. That can hamper milk production and bring on a uri that was dormant before. I usually go straight to zith when dealing with shelter uris, maybe zith and clavamox if it's really severe. Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, i have a few who have had a little diarrhea. They have been treated with albon and it is pretty much cleared up. They look SOOO much better today. The ones upstairs in the bathroom I was doing a great job of isolating. Then they got large enough to want to explore, while still being small enough to be able to wiggle under the door jamb. That's how *they* got it. Little Muffin's eye looks bad. I hope she'll be ok. On 5/8/07, MaryChristine wrote: susan, if this were panleuk, wouldn't it be presenting more with rapid decline from fairly uncontrollable diarrhea? this sounds to me more like the boomeranging basic uri from not-too-hardy-to-begin-with kitties (whom i think should have been put on zithro right away, not that her vet asked! hee hee) MC On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika wrote: I can ask if they have a history of it. They say they bleach clean cages. I will tell you what happens, though. Litters get mixed up. If a good sam brings in some found kittens, who knows if they were ever from the same litter to begin with. If they are owner surrenders, who can say if they don't throw in several small litters together. We all strongly suspect that if we agree to take a litter, and there is a singleton around of the same age, that TLAC will stick the singleton in with the others. But we have no proof. And I really wouldn't blame them. My quarantine procedures are not what they should be or what I want them to be. I am these kittens' only chance, though, even if some pass. I am the only group that takes in kittens less than 6 weeks/1 lb. So they call me and if I say no, they kill them directly. I haven't taken any in in 2-3 weeks, though., The history of the momcat is that she was dumped at the shelter by her family. They said She's pregnant, we don't want her and left without even giving her name. So I have no way of knowing if she ever saw a vet before the shelter. I named her Faith Before I got her she got standard workup: Rabies, Distemper shot, combo test, Revolution. I haven' t vaccinated any of the kittens. I took the first litter up at 6 weeks, but they did not weigh enough to be vaccinated. They were
Re: Update on mva kitties - all three kitties are safe with Cyndi
what's the website, please? (Duh.) Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 6, 2007, at 12:08 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: and now if you look at the website, they've got pictures taken LAST NIGHT of the three kitties, safe back in their home town, with cyndi. they've got an appointment this afternoon with their very own veterinarian, and they'll be in safe, loving care until their humans are well enough to travel home. blessings to all these folks who didn't sit back and talk, but got on the web, got out of bed in the middle of the night with flashlights, who posted signs all over the place (then went and took them all DOWN once the kitties were safe!), to people who saw a little post on their computer screen and knew, there was need. and knew that that was all that mattered. i am honored and humbled, yet again, to be part of that community that truly can call itself Rescue. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: question on test result
O my God! That vet is horrible! I'm shocked she would be so interested in killing the babies! And you're right about not knowing about the mamacat. The thought that vet may have murdered her makes me physically ill. If in fact you want to make a case out of it, I would ask the desk or a tech--not that dr--she may lie to you--for her body (it may still be in their freezer) and tell her that you have decided to bury her in your back yard--her home. Then get a necropsy and take it from there. Or maybe she won't even need a necropsy, just an opinion. The mama was an emergency! She should have been examined immediately! You need to talk to some other vets and an animal lawyer. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Deana K. Wagoner wrote: Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet office to pay the bill for the service provided on the stray mama that died from the dog inflicted injuries. The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she has never seen them) The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was slightly postive so she ran it again and it was More positive. Is there such thing as slightly positive or is it just yes or no? I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or exam was done before that. The most important item on the list was this test. We are looking for another vet. Deana
Re: question on test result
Yeah--like being sort of pregnant--like THAT happens! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 6:31 PM, MaryChristine wrote: what happens with the snap test is that, after the blood and the testing solution mingle for a certain amount of time (can't remember now how long, and it may differ from brand to brand, anyway), a little colored circle shows up. and yes, the little circle can be pale whatever-color, or bright. i've never seen any documentation that there is any quantitative data on what slightly positive vs definitely positive means based on the color! so she got basically the same result twice--maybe. still doesn't mean momma WAS positive, would have been positive in 3 months, etc. i would still play out the links for her, once you have a new vet-- she is woefully ignorant and a danger to her patients. MC On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet office to pay the bill for the service provided on the stray mama that died from the dog inflicted injuries. The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she has never seen them) The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was slightly postive so she ran it again and it was More positive. Is there such thing as slightly positive or is it just yes or no? I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or exam was done before that. The most important item on the list was this test. We are looking for another vet. Deana -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Kelley - Transfer Factor (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)
My girlfriend had to have her colon removed and her regular doctor told her to take colostrum. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Marylyn wrote: For what it matters my alternative vet swears by the stuff. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Kelley - Transfer Factor (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?) I have a friend that swears Transfer Factor (an immune regulator) saved the life of a cat of hers with panleuk. I've used it in the past too. Lance on the list thinks it helps his Ember. Anyway, it couldn't hurt to try it. Most of my guys like the flavor, I mix it with baby food. Here's my original post about it: Transfer Factor is suppose to be an 'immune balancer' that is taken from cow's colostrum, they also use something from chicken yolks. The idea is to educate an immature or imbalanced immune system to bring it into balance and help it ward off illness. I'm not even sure if it works, but according to the studies I've read, it hasn't had any ill effects, even when amounts used are many times higher than recommended. There have been good reports about general health, (shiny coat etc.) from some of the folks I know who are using it. There are several different formulas for people and animals. Here's a link to the manufacture info about Transfer Factor: http://www.transferfactorinstitute.com Here's the ordering info: The phone number for the company is: (888) 454-3374. www.4life.com http://www.4life.com Susan Hoffman wrote: From what you have said I would be a little concerned about panleuk. But you can rule it in or out without a necropsy.
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - rabies vac
I don't vaccinate my cats for rabies. My former vet (he retired but shows up when someone is on vacation), who I love dearly, said one day about ten years ago, We'll both know when there is some sort of rabies outbreak occurs so don't worry about it. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Nina wrote: Accidental over-vaccination for rabies is what caused my Gypsy's IBD. We almost lost her and to this day battle the consequences. Grab the vets by the shirt collar, look them in the eye and make sure they hear you when you tell them they have already been vaccinated! Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Often when I take my cats to the free s/n place they vaccinate them *even when* i provide proof. On 5/8/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there's lots of places, susan, where rabies vaccinations are mandatory--and even where strictly they're not, more and more vets are acting as if they are. even one of mine that i've been working with for years won't treat anyone without PROOF of rabies vaccination. in certain states--and i think texas is one--all the s/n pages said that dogs and cats WOULD be vaccinated if proof wasn't supplied. (but southern states tended, in the past, to have more actual rabies than some others, too) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: need advice from new member
Yeah. You are right! You'll get better care for the tinies that way. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: No do not put any kittens to sleep because there is a pos test. 1. They may not be pos. 2. I am confused about the original test. It is not common to test a kitty twice, especially one who was injured and is dying. Was the kitty tested before death? Really confused about this part. 3. GET ANOTHER VET. This one sounds awful. On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/ spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasn't tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I haven't had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesn't act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighbor's dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldn't want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I haven't had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified – so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc. We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and don't appear at all sick. They were only with their mother just under 24 hours. (born last Thursday.) Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are positive or not? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks Deana -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Charlie Brown and little Sister Oscar to CLS
Sheila, It's so hard to lose any little critter but two at the same time? I think little O wanted to be with Charlie, too. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 17, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote: Sheila, I'm so sorry about your babies. One at a time is too much, two is unthinkable. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Charlie Brown and Oscar, and hugs to you. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Charlie Brown and little Sister Oscar to CLS Please add Charlie to CLS list he passed Sunday night and today we had to pts his little sister Oscar (she chose that name). She has been small and delicate all her life. She stopped eating Sunday and was in a lot of pain from kidney failure. I think she really wanted to go with Charlie. They were both felv+. Charlie was 15 and Oscar was 12 years old. My heart is breaking, I miss them so much. It seems that in my house they leave in two's. I know they are together and know longer sick so I will try to remember only the good days. Give your babies extra love tonight. Sheila See what's free at AOL.com. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)
Samoyeds are such characters! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I'm waiting until I am no longer actively rescuing. I will also then get a Samoyed:) Probably when I'm 70. Then the Samoyed rescue people will not adopt me one cuz I'm too old.:p On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Pardon me, but are you crazy? (Look who's talking). Have you never heard the saying Be careful what you wish for? Not that I have anything against Persians of any nose length, but com'on girl, you have your paws full already! Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, well, it isn't that they are easier to medicate, it is just that I want one:) -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Eye ointments (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)
I used to have TERRIBLE sinus headaches from allergies--terrible! And when I look at little smushy-faces I always think that they might have awful sinus headaches. Maybe that's why they're so quiet. The Party Pooper Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I love the doll faced persians myself, one day I will have one:) On 5/8/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :::blushes (but have you ever TRIED to find the nose-holes on an extreme-faced persian? and forget all you know about pilling the little beasts--their mouths are so tiny, it's hard to get your finger in there, and the back of their throats and the front are barely any distance apart..) On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC, have I told you lately how glad I am that you are active on this list? Along with your freely sharing all that hard earned wisdom, no matter what is going on you seem always able to wrestle a snort of laughter out of me. Nina MaryChristine wrote: yeah, drops are good for the nose addition, for sure! (unless you're working with persians, in which case you can't always FIND the nose.) On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terramycin i use ointment..triple antibiotic I use drops...Sometimes I have to have drops so i can get them in the nose, though I guess I could use both. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: article on releasing /not testing for felk in feral cats
Why don't they just give all the cats who are not FeLV+ shots against it. Wouldn't they be able to get a good price from the med people? (I hope.) Jesus! To euthanize those cats is a crime! I don't like that director much. Not to immunize them against it means that mothers will catch it and give it to their newborns. Otherwise they won't. Stupid and thoughtless. stupid! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 10, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Stray Cat Alliance wrote: Same here...we have a large group here that sends kitties to a hospice but do not euthanize. Felv+ and Fiv+ (no confirmatory tests) are mixed togetherdrives me nuts. Some are asymptomatic. However, no other group offers free TNR surgeries so they do a lot for controlling the populationif not for them, the cats won't be fixed otherwise and will indeed be suffering. http://thebestlittlecathouseinpa.com/Dome.htm Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:36:22 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: article on releasing /not testing for felk in feral cats Scream! Shadowcats here is one. They are also the best known feral group in our area by far...which means when they teach TNR to people..they teach it is *unethical* to not kill asymptomatic FELV+ cats... Although they do not euth for FIV and may not even test for it. They *do* euth asymptomatic FELV+ cats. I have had this argument with their director many times...she doesn't like me much..*sigh* www.shadowcats.net On 5/8/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep, but there are still TNR groups that not only test, but routinely euth positive cats with FeLV OR FIV... On 5/8/07, janine paton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/releasing.htm From Neighborhood Cats. It's well written and helped one of our hard headed vets understand why we don't always want them to test. She actually got it, and said thanks after she read it. Janine -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Change is good. See what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out!
Re: Vet of the Year (uplifting story)
WOW! She's more than a vet--she's a FRIEND! Kitties and I hope little Georgia comes back soon. Do you think she might attempt to go back to her old locale? Also, do look at the website of MartaWilliams.com. She's a psychic AND a biologist. She can help you. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 9, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Marissa Johnson wrote: Hi all! I just thought you might like to hear an uplifting story about a PHENOMINAL vet (seems we get to hear a lot about not-so- good vets...thought I'd share a good story). It's kinda long, but trust me...it's worth the read! You all may remember that I found a new vet after Slinky had his transfusion and the vet who did it wouldn't try anything else. I had mentioned then that Dr. Garrison read all the research I sent her on IR and did her own research, etc. When I brought Mouse in a couple weeks ago, I noticed that she talks to him before doing anything, she knew all about CH and herpes (he has herpes) and was supportive of Lysine therapy for the herpes. I left the appointment wishing I could go see her every day! lol She even supported my feeding raw (if it's done right)...and she's an ALLOPATHIC vet!!! So I was already thinking she was amazing!! As you read this, keep in mind that I've seen Dr. G THREE TIMES - twice with Slinky (including pts) and once with Mouse. It's not like I've been her customer for years or something. Here's the sad part of the story: I think many if not all of you heard that on Monday night my new baby Georgia got out of her harness in a park near my house and took off. She's been hiding out in a dense forest in the park and, while I've spotted her a couple times, I have not been able to get her back yet. It has been heartbreaking and making me CRAZY (esp. after losing my baby Slinky so recently). Here's the good part: When Georgia took off, one of the first things I did was call Dr. Garrison to see if she had any suggestions or resources or anything. She took a description, said they'd keep an eye out, and gave me some good ideas. Yesterday afternoon SHE CALLED ME to ask if I had seen her yet!!! I thought that in and of itself was pretty awesome. Then she OFFERED TO COME OUT AND HELP ME LOOK FOR HER AFTER SHE GOT OFF WORK AT 7! I could NOT believe it She said to call her if she hadn't turned up by shortly before 7. When I called her she asked if I needed any supplies and I suggested she bring some a/ d since it's smelly and Georgia has eaten it for me. She had already mapquested the park, knew how to get there, etc. (she didn't know where it was the first night I called her). She came out and met me at the park with 2 cans of A/D...and wouldn't let me pay her for them! I had said that it would be helpful just to have someone there to help me strategize about where to put things, etc. Not only did she do that, but she spent the next hour or more tromping through the DENSE forest full of thorny vines and brambles trying to flush Georgia out and scare her toward me. She kept tromping through and looking while I went to meet a rescuer who was bringing me a trap at the entrance to the park. She watched while the rescuer showed me how to set it - with absolutely no pretense of I'm a vet and I know everything or anything like that. In fact, she ended up being like the good friend you take to an important doctor's appointment...she asked really great questions that, in sleep-deprived and stressed out state, I wasn't thinking of! At this point it was dusk and she was going to head out, but I planned to sit out there for a while and see if I could spot Georgia. Dr. G asked if I'd had dinner...and then went to McDonalds and brought dinner back to me She even walked the long way around the park so she could check out the nearby houses and see if she could see Georgia When she came back with my food, she said she was going to the natural pet food store (where the owner is my friend and had recommended Dr. G to me) today and she could drop off flyers there AND since the humane society was just down the street, she'd go there and see if they had Georgia and leave flyers there as well! While I was typing this just now, she called again for an update! She said she left flyers at the food store and went by the shelter but that, oddly, they're closed on Wednesdays! So she said she'd GO BACK TOMORROW on her lunch break just on the off chance that she's there! She'll leave flyers with them as well. Her help and support has done SO MUCH to lift my spirits in this horrible time! I was already wanting to nominate her for vet of the year BEFORE all this And now I'm just totally stunned!! I've never heard of a vet going this far above and beyond the call of duty! When I told her she's the best vet in the universe, she said,
Re: need advice from new member
Dear Deana: You don't have to give up on those babies at all! Some vets--and some people--are much more likely to PTS little babies like that but it certainly isn't necessary at all. I raised three little newborns (The Three Orange Boyz) and they are now 10 months old. I kept them all because I wanted them to grow up and stay with their sibbies their whole life long. They tested negative to FeLV when they were tiny and then at nine months one developed swollen glands and found out on one day that he was FeLV pos and the next day that he had lymphoma. He's on chemotherapy and doing very well! The other babies are still negative and are now vaccinated against FeLV. You were in the right place twice for this little family. Once, when the poor mama was attacked and ran and again when she returned to you. She had her babies at your house so she felt safe with you, which is wonderful! Be sure and keep the babies very warm (very!) and, also, purchase some Bene-Bac for their little gut flora. The best kind to get is the big tube, not the little bitty ones from the pet stores. You will go berserk trying to feed Bene-Bac to squirmy little ones from those tiny tubes AND it will cost more, too! Revival Health is in Iowa (and on the web) and they have the good stuff. When they get poopy and you have to wash them under running water (which mine HATED!) go to the pharmacy and buy some little throwaway human baby washcloths because the poo is hard to get off. It's easier to get them clean AND they are SO fluffy and sweet- smelling! Your babies are so little that you can cut each human baby- sized washcloth into 16 (yes, sixteen!) itty bitty washcloths for kitty babies! Also, invest in disposable human bed pads--they're not very attractive (that green!) but boy, do they keep the laundry down. I wanted them to be groomed as though they had a kitty mommy-- it's good for their immune system --so I got them a tiny flea comb. I think it's Revival that sells a teeny-tiny flea comb about four or five inches long and it makes a perfect little hairbrush for them-- and they love it! I tried a toothbrush but it didn't work and that's when I saw the teeny little flea comb. Perfect! Oh--and don't let them suck on the little boys' peepees--not a good idea since they have such a strong sucking capacity. You will know that's what they are doing when they get what I like to call peepee head: the fur on their face will be plastered down and then above their forehead it'll be fluffy again. It's very amusing. Some people say to separate them but I didn't do that--I just carefully stopped it when they started rooting around somebody's little bottom and they're fine. If mommy was there they would obviously suck on her. There is a pillow that is available that has built-in nipples made from KMR nipples! It's expensive, though, and I'd just make one myself. There is also a kitty-mommy stuffed animal that has a heartbeat with it (from Target or Revival.) I would get the tiny ones tested--you don't have to do it right away. But you should take in your Ragdoll girl and have her tested, because it's good to know. I got a gorgeous little long-haired tuxedo, Mamie, that nobody wanted because she was FeLV positive. My vet and his tech saved her life when she was found on a golf course sick and wormy and fleazy. We had no idea how long she would live, so every birthday was a milestone. She was in fabulous health for ten years and then her immune system gave up on her. The vets just thought she was amazing. And so did I! Once you have one you learn fast how easy it is to care for them--and how long they can live, too! The only other thing I can think of to say--now--is, I would not have them spayed or neutered at the early age that is sometimes recommended. I feel that it's better if they are older, especially since they may have a weaker immune system because they lost their mommy, so I like to give them an edge by doing it at the older recommended age. I love little kitty babies! You are so lucky to care for them! Aren't they sweet? And sooo noisy when they are hungry! And I love their little tomato tummies! I hope I haven't given you kitten- raising information that you already know and if I have I apologize. But you absolutely don't have to PTS them. They deserve to live, too. Just be sure that your vet realizes that, too. Keep the big kitties away from the babies until you know everyone's FeLV status, tho. What colors are they? Are they long or short haired? Boys? Girls? Tee Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Deana K. Wagoner wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/ spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning
Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?
I used to take our parakeet into a nice, steamy bathroom when he had a cold (pretty unusual). Keetie sneezes are so funny--they're so tiny! If they're sitting on your shoulder you can feel the tiniest sneeze ever on your cheek! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 8:45 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I use nebulizers (not vaporizers) with medicine in them..not water...I have heard some people take cats into the bathroom with them when they shower, too. Here's the nebulizer I made (well, I didn't make the one in the pic, but one very similar). http://catnipkids.homestead.com/nebulizer.html On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would go with zikthromax. Clavamox and amoxicillin are just not strong enough alone for stubborn problems. And the only time I use a vaporizer is when there is a lot of congestion and the cat is having a lot of problems breathing. Never heard of the vinegar before and it sounds pretty foul to me. (I hate the smell of vinegar.) I have used Vick's for vaporizers but just for a little bit at a time. I have heard it is not good for cats but in an emergency when you want to get nasal passages opened up, I go for it. But if he's eating well, it sounds like he can smell and breath so I think I would just do zithromax in this case. Sheryl Spagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question about URI's since you are good with them...I have a 6-7 month old boy in my basement I am trying to nurse with a URI. He is on Clavimox/Amoxicilin I think that is what it is called...it is a liquid...I am also running a vaporizer for him 24 hours around the clock. I did have vinegar in the water but my boyfriend thought that was too much for him so last night I put just plain water. I can't tell if he is sounding any better. He has this awful cough that keeps lingering on. He has only been on medicine since Sat. night. I know some cats it takes longer to break the URI, but should I be worried that this cough is still lingering? He is eating like a piggy and is purring and appears to be acting well. He does not have any discharge anymore, but again, that cough just won't go away...any ideas? Have you ever heard of using vinegar with a vaporizer? Should I put it back in? He is negative so far for FeLV by the way... Thanks, Sheryl --- Susan Hoffman wrote: Lost to uri? What age, and what symptoms. I've dealt with some really nasty shelter uris but have never lost anyone to it. I usually do zithromax and clavamox combined, use Transfer Factor feline formula to boost nutrition, pedialyte to maintain hydration and electrolyte balance. So tell me what symptoms and how old the cats/kittens are. I'm pretty good with uris. Kelley Saveika wrote: It is for URI. I have lost several already. On 5/7/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: If it's for a uri or pneumonia, zith is really effective. Kelley Saveika wrote: Target is cheaper than CVS. $32 something. Just hope the meds work. On 5/7/07, Kelley Saveika wrote: Correct, an online purchase will not do. I will try to call everyone. Thanks. On 5/7/07, gary wrote: If you must buy this in the next couple of hours it sounds like an online purchase won't do, is that correct? If you need it right away, I would call all the pharmacies in your area and ask how much for the prescription you have. When I did this I found one that was $15 cheaper than any of the others. Funny though, when I went to fill another one awhile later it was $15 more expensive and I didn't have the receipt to prove they sold it to me cheaper before. When your on the phone, get the price and the persons name and keep your receipt. Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? Or at least cheaper..I have a prescription..will need to be bought within the next couple of hours. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a
Re: need advice from new member
Regarding finding new clinics, ask around and also maybe call them up and drop in for a chat to see how you feel about the place. You'll know--after all, you're the mommy now! Congrats on one whole week caring for them! I felt kind of psychotic after the first week from lack of sleep--and I had one day there that I never got out of my nightgown! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Deana K. Wagoner wrote: I really think the ragdoll was dumped and just took up with the ferals. She certainly stood out from the crowd! She adapted to indoor life nicely and hasn't wanted to venture out again after finding soft furniture and beds to lounge on! The deal with the testing really does have me baffled. I am not sure how to go about selecting another vet, but there are some Cat only clinics in my area. Would they be more likely to be up on the latest? Thanks for all the help! I am certainly glad that I found this list. -Original Message- From: MaryChristine Sent: May 8, 2007 2:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need advice from new member i'm sorry, a FERAL ragdoll? that's almost as oxymoronic as a feral persian! most raggies need to take classes to even learn how to hiss and growl okay, to get serious. (me?) have to agree with kelley. sounds to ME that if a vet did a second snap test right away, it's because they were pretty sure they messed up the first one: there's a very specific set of steps you have to go through to do the snap correctly, and there is NO reason to redo it immediately--unless you forget to have the test out of the refrigerator for the correct time, you didn't have enough blood, you didn't put in enough test solution, you snapped the test wrong (if it's not kept perfectly level, the test is compromised), and you didn't check the test circles at the right time. ie, they screwed up. and when they screw up that badly, i wouldn't particularly trust them to have done the second one correctly either. so much for my humble opinion on that. the latest research that i have read seems to be leading to mom- kitten transmission being as much, if not more, from the actual birth PROCESS (contact with the mucous membranes) than from in- utero infection, with the even more dangerous thing being all the nursing and mutual grooming momcat does as the babies as learning about the real world. if this is true, then these kittens may have a very good chance of not being positive. since mom died from injuries and not anything related to a compromised immune system per se, she might have been in the process of throwing off the virus herself, and so to assume that either she OR the babies would/will remain positive is unscientific, unmedical, and that vet should be ashamed of himself. FELV+, FIV+, FIP play out the articles on FeLV (heck, on all three since i'm sure he's no more aware on those) for him. there is really no excuse for a medical professional to CHOOSE to remain ignorant when information is out there. and yes, unfortunately, it IS common--after all, why learn anything or tax your skills when the first line of treatment is the easiest: just kill them all! (sorry, hon, but we around here get REALLY hissed when we keep hearing this stuff.) THANK YOU FOR NOT LISTENING TO HIM! because, even if they ARE positive, if they're healthy and happy, they have as much right to occupy space as any of us. (and more than some? oops, i didn't say that.) MC On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No do not put any kittens to sleep because there is a pos test. 1. They may not be pos. 2. I am confused about the original test. It is not common to test a kitty twice, especially one who was injured and is dying. Was the kitty tested before death? Really confused about this part. 3. GET ANOTHER VET. This one sounds awful. On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/ spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasn't tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I haven't had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesn't act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighbor's dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the
Re: OT -- just for laughs :0)
The perfect cat for people allergic to cats. I watched it a couple of times and thought about my search for a vacuum that didn't scare the little ones to death. The answer? Miele. Go find a pile of money you haven't already spent on your little ones. It's perfect! VERY quiet! This white cat must be deaf! But until you realize it, it's really a mystery, isn't it? Why the cat isn't upside down stuck to the ceiling! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 17, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Nina wrote: Very cute. Thanks it did make me laugh. N elizabeth trent wrote: http://www.glumbert.com/media/catvacuum elizabeth
Re: OT -- just for laughs :0)
At 07:59 PM 5/18/2007, you wrote: I used to vacuum my white deaf kitty also,had to be careful mowing the lawn also as he just did not move. Kelly The perfect cat for people allergic to cats. I watched it a couple of times and thought about my search for a vacuum that didn't scare the little ones to death. The answer? Miele. Go find a pile of money you haven't already spent on your little ones. It's perfect! VERY quiet! This white cat must be deaf! But until you realize it, it's really a mystery, isn't it? Why the cat isn't upside down stuck to the ceiling! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 17, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Nina wrote: Very cute. Thanks it did make me laugh. N elizabeth trent wrote: http://www.glumbert.com/media/catvacuum elizabeth -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
Re: Please add Trinket to the CLS
What a lovely name and how lucky little Trinket was to have such a loving neighbor to care for her when her mommy became ill. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 17, 2007, at 4:44 PM, wendy wrote: Gloria, I'm so sorry to hear about little Trinket. What a sweet name. It was very kind of you to take Trinket in. Imagine what relief you gave both her and her 'person' to know Trinket had a home when things went wrong. Bless you for taking care of her. :) Wendy --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trinket was a white with black kitty, about 16 yrs, and died quietly last night of kidney failure. She lived with an older lady nearby, but the lady became ill last fall, hospitalized for over a month, and had cancer, so she couldn't keep her sweet kitty. I took Trinket into my home and she lived in my living room for several months. She was very content - enjoyed just laying around and looking out the window, and laying on her person when she could, but REALLY liked the men-folks who came in. Within the last few days, her health just went down hill and the kidneys failed. She was a real sweetie. Gloria Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: Charlie Brown and little Sister Oscar to CLS
Sheila, I'm sorry to hear about your two babies. It must be so hard to lose two. Prayers going out for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add Charlie to CLS list he passed Sunday night and today we had to pts his little sister Oscar (she chose that name). She has been small and delicate all her life. She stopped eating Sunday and was in a lot of pain from kidney failure. I think she really wanted to go with Charlie. They were both felv+. Charlie was 15 and Oscar was 12 years old. My heart is breaking, I miss them so much. It seems that in my house they leave in two's. I know they are together and know longer sick so I will try to remember only the good days. Give your babies extra love tonight. Sheila ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Give spam the boot. Take control with tough spam protection in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html
Re: Please add Albert to the CLS
Kerry, I'm so sorry to hear about Albert, and your other losses. I hope you are doing ok. Prayers going out for peace and comfort. Take care, Wendy --- Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I know I haven't been here in awhile, but I always come back as you guys are the most understanding and compassionate people that I have ever met.. I lost Albert today, May 15 a few minutes before 4pm. He went into sudden cardiac failure. He hadn't been sick until yesterday as he started showing some signs of maybe a urinary tract infection which turned out to be his heart..probably due to some long standing hyper-t. He was felv-. We added his sister, Alberta to CLS back in Jan. I just wanted him there with her. I also lost Striper (hit by a car) on April 16. So it hasn't been a good year so far. To those of you that remember Inky, he is now 20yrs and 9 months. Fingers crossed he keeps doing well. Albert had just turned 16 on April 12. Thank you all as always for listening and caring.. You and your kitties are always in our prayers, Kerry, Inky, and Angel's Bandy, Buster, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Alberta, Striper, and Albert 2 feral angel's Tom Cat and Fuzzy Boy - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: Kelley - Transfer Factor (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?)
My girlfriend's regular doctor? I guess I meant not the vet! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 9, 2007, at 10:17 PM, Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote: My girlfriend had to have her colon removed and her regular doctor told her to take colostrum. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 8, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Marylyn wrote: For what it matters my alternative vet swears by the stuff. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Kelley - Transfer Factor (was OT- Cheap source of Zithromax?) I have a friend that swears Transfer Factor (an immune regulator) saved the life of a cat of hers with panleuk. I've used it in the past too. Lance on the list thinks it helps his Ember. Anyway, it couldn't hurt to try it. Most of my guys like the flavor, I mix it with baby food. Here's my original post about it: Transfer Factor is suppose to be an 'immune balancer' that is taken from cow's colostrum, they also use something from chicken yolks. The idea is to educate an immature or imbalanced immune system to bring it into balance and help it ward off illness. I'm not even sure if it works, but according to the studies I've read, it hasn't had any ill effects, even when amounts used are many times higher than recommended. There have been good reports about general health, (shiny coat etc.) from some of the folks I know who are using it. There are several different formulas for people and animals. Here's a link to the manufacture info about Transfer Factor: http://www.transferfactorinstitute.com Here's the ordering info: The phone number for the company is: (888) 454-3374. www.4life.com http://www.4life.com Susan Hoffman wrote: From what you have said I would be a little concerned about panleuk. But you can rule it in or out without a necropsy.
To Melissa: Re: Cassidy now at Best Friends
Hey Melissa, I am so sorry that I have not been able to reply to this post until now. I saw it when I was out of town last weekend, and have been so busy at work and home, it's crazy. I am so happy to hear that Cassidy made it to Best Friends! I hate that you miss him so, but isn't it wonderful that he had someone so great that loves him?! Some kitties never find that. It seems so often here that someone finds something extra special in the FeLV kitties. And like you said, you can't put a name to it. I was surprised to hear you call yourself selfish. I wouldn't call someone selfish who would spend their own money and time to fly a cat to another state and drive to yet another state only to hand the kitty off to a place that would take good care of him. No, selfish is not the word for you. Caring, loving, sacrificial...those are more appropriate characterizations. I hope you'll be able to settle in soon without Cassidy and know that Joanie and her crew are going to take good care of him. I hope missing him isn't too hard on you. Congratulations on your new job Melissa! You deserve it! And who knows...maybe one day very soon, you'll be going back to Best Friends and adopting Cassidy and taking him back home to your new FeLV sanctuary in Nebraska! ;) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: Please add Albert to the CLS
Three little ones together in Heaven. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 18, 2007, at 11:05 PM, wendy wrote: Kerry, I'm so sorry to hear about Albert, and your other losses. I hope you are doing ok. Prayers going out for peace and comfort. Take care, Wendy --- Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I know I haven't been here in awhile, but I always come back as you guys are the most understanding and compassionate people that I have ever met.. I lost Albert today, May 15 a few minutes before 4pm. He went into sudden cardiac failure. He hadn't been sick until yesterday as he started showing some signs of maybe a urinary tract infection which turned out to be his heart..probably due to some long standing hyper-t. He was felv-. We added his sister, Alberta to CLS back in Jan. I just wanted him there with her. I also lost Striper (hit by a car) on April 16. So it hasn't been a good year so far. To those of you that remember Inky, he is now 20yrs and 9 months. Fingers crossed he keeps doing well. Albert had just turned 16 on April 12. Thank you all as always for listening and caring.. You and your kitties are always in our prayers, Kerry, Inky, and Angel's Bandy, Buster, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Alberta, Striper, and Albert 2 feral angel's Tom Cat and Fuzzy Boy - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: Anyone know how much it is for anal sac removal?
Have you tried having them expressed every (very) few weeks and seeing if they will clear up on their own? You can do this yourself. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: OT: Anyone know how much it is for anal sac removal? Hey guys, I think I might have to have my furbaby, Pepper's, anal sacs removed. Hers are impacted again for the third time in a year and it's at least a hundred bucks everytime this happens. Does anyone know how much it might cost? I'm scared to find out! Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
