Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine and immune system boosting: my view
Hi Gary and all,
I want to explain why I believe lysine to be an immune system booster so maybe
we can stop going back and forth on the issue:
There are 20 (or 21 depending on the source) different amino acids in our
bodies. One of them is L-lysine. All cells in every organism (plants,
animals, etc.) use these amino acids to make proteins. A single antibody
molecule (PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM) contains about 1,400 amino acids+. If our
bodies are low in lysine (and remember, our bodies CANNOT make lysine {but
plants can}), then a reduction in lysine would = a lowered immune system
because the chain of proteins that make up the antibody molecules is weakened.
Here is an article you can wade through that talks about antibodies:
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/igs.htm This is why lysine is given to
people to help recuperate after surgery or injury as it is necessary for tissue
repair and growth. It's also necessary in the production of antibodies (used
by the immune system to seek out and identify bacteria and viruses in our
bodies). It's a building block of our very cells.
And therefore it IS linked to the immune system, and I would assume, immune
system boosting if the immune system is weak. Every health food company that
sells lysine quips that it is an immune system boosting amino acid. Lysine
deficiencies have been shown in HIV patients in Africa, so I think that it's
possible that even though FeLV is not HIV, it is a virus, so maybe our furry
friends may also be low in the essential amino acid because of the virus. I
don't think the studies have been done on this particular issue. And if anyone
knows of any, please post them. As I said before, I'm not a doctor, vet, or
scientist. But I can research, read, and use my common sense to make logical
inferences. I don't believe there are any studies to show that link lysine to
the immune system because, from what I understand, it's common knowledge in the
science/medical world. It would be like trying to find studies linking blood
to the heart.
If someone here is a biomedical student, doctor, expert researcher, etc., and
you do not agree with what I've written above, please explain to me why this is
not true. I absolutely welcome respectful discourse on this matter.
And I want to say that regardless of whether I am wrong on this, pure lysine
cannot be overdosed (because like Vitamin C, it's water-soluble), and is all
natural, so is not bad for cats. All it can do is help.
Thanks!
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
~~~
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From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:52:45 PM
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I have recently heard that l-lysine is only effective against the herpes
virus because it reduces the amount of l-arginine that the herpes virus
needs in order to replicate.
Supposedly, there is no evidence that l-lysine is a general immune booster.
I know that many people give it as a supplement and it is well tolerated by
cats so there is no harm in giving it. If anyone knows of a study that
shows l-lysine is a general immune booster, please give me the link, I would
be very interested in reading about it.
Thanks,
Gary
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From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here
Welcome to the group Jody! So glad you hear your kitties are healthy! I
feed mine Innova Evo. I would also suggest pure L-Lysine as a supplement.
It's an immune system booster, comes in a tasteless powder form, and is
easy to mix into wet food.
:)
Wendy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine and immune system boosting: my view
Hi Wendy, when Maizee was getting chemo treatments they had me giving her
Lysine also to help her immune system.
--- On Sat, 8/23/08, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine and immune system boosting: my view
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Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 11:17 AM
Hi Gary and all,
I want to explain why I believe lysine to be an immune system booster so
maybe we can stop going back and forth on the issue:
There are 20 (or 21 depending on the source) different amino acids in our
bodies. One of them is L-lysine. All cells in every organism (plants,
animals, etc.) use these amino acids to make proteins. A single antibody
molecule (PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM) contains about 1,400 amino acids+. If our
bodies are low in lysine (and remember, our bodies CANNOT make lysine {but
plants can}), then a reduction in lysine would = a lowered immune system because
the chain of proteins that make up the antibody molecules is weakened. Here is
an article you can wade through that talks about antibodies:
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/igs.htm This is why lysine is given to
people to help recuperate after surgery or injury as it is necessary for tissue
repair and growth. It's also necessary in the production of antibodies
(used by the immune system to seek out and identify bacteria and viruses in our
bodies). It's a building block of our very cells.
And therefore it IS linked to the immune system, and I would assume, immune
system boosting if the immune system is weak. Every health food company that
sells lysine quips that it is an immune system boosting amino acid. Lysine
deficiencies have been shown in HIV patients in Africa, so I think that it's
possible that even though FeLV is not HIV, it is a virus, so maybe our furry
friends may also be low in the essential amino acid because of the virus. I
don't think the studies have been done on this particular issue. And if
anyone knows of any, please post them. As I said before, I'm not a doctor,
vet, or scientist. But I can research, read, and use my common sense to make
logical inferences. I don't believe there are any studies to show that
link lysine to the immune system because, from what I understand, it's
common knowledge in the science/medical world. It would be like trying to find
studies linking blood to the heart.
If someone here is a biomedical student, doctor, expert researcher, etc., and
you do not agree with what I've written above, please explain to me why
this is not true. I absolutely welcome respectful discourse on this matter.
And I want to say that regardless of whether I am wrong on this, pure lysine
cannot be overdosed (because like Vitamin C, it's water-soluble), and is all
natural, so is not bad for cats. All it can do is help.
Thanks!
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can
change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~
Margaret Meade ~~~
- Original Message
From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:52:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here
I have recently heard that l-lysine is only effective against the herpes
virus because it reduces the amount of l-arginine that the herpes virus
needs in order to replicate.
Supposedly, there is no evidence that l-lysine is a general immune booster.
I know that many people give it as a supplement and it is well tolerated by
cats so there is no harm in giving it. If anyone knows of a study that
shows l-lysine is a general immune booster, please give me the link, I would
be very interested in reading about it.
Thanks,
Gary
- Original Message -
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here
Welcome to the group Jody! So glad you hear your kitties are healthy! I
feed mine Innova Evo. I would also suggest pure L-Lysine as a supplement.
It's an immune system booster, comes in a tasteless powder form, and
is
easy to mix into wet food.
:)
Wendy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone
Laura, I am so sorry to hear about your precious Duncan. Prayers going out for your peace and comfort. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:32:24 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Duncan is gone Sadly, I had to have Duncan euthanized last night. He was suffering from a URI and getting Clavamox, and the URI was clearing up, but he was still sluggish. On Sunday night he seemed disoriented, and was crying as if he was in a lot of pain. I rushed him to the emergency vet and then to my regular vet Monday morning. The vet called me at 5:30 as I was driving home from work to get Duncan's food and told me that he thought Duncan was very close to dying. Test results had showed Hemobartonella and he was fading fast. We talked about possible treatments but Dr Leathers felt that it would be best, and kindest, to put him down. He deteriorated so quickly - just a couple of days ago he was eating and walking around. Unfortunately, I assumed he just wasn't 100% because of the URI. I will not make that mistake again. He has never shown any symptoms in the year that I've had him. My other two positives, who lived with him, are fine, but I'm going to have them checked out at the vet next week. I lost my 18 year old cat last Monday so this hasn't been a very good past couple of weeks for me. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?
I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day. 500 mg once or twice a day for symptomatic kitties. I would double-check this though in the archives or elsewhere. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food? My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from me!). Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him like lysine and added water. But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters on)-- LOVES IT. As much I would like to convert all my cats to all canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much. And they have the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic. But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too. Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to back feedings or two days in a row (he's nutty). I originally tried to feed him a diet of Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste of expensive food)! That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack. So as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will keep him on the Holistic Dry. I've asked that she occassionally give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 days in a row. I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work? I have done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him canned food every few days. I think it will work tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine powder. Also, what is a good maintenance dose? He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to them as a preventative measure. thanks caroline _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy
Gloria my vet used the vincristine on Maizee.She never got sick at all using it for six months.If I had not done it she would have had to be let go that day when they found the lymphoma.They were amazed that I would do this for a felv+ cat.But my heart told me to.I dont regret it one bit,cause it gave me six more months to love that beautiful baby girl.I dont think I could go through that again emotionally or financially. Sherry --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 10:41 AM I'm so sorry - I agree, I have little faith in chemo for cats. And this is such a personal decision to make. There is some chemo that has helped in situations I've had with lymphoma cats, but it seems to be in shrinking lymph nodes temporarily. I've had fluid drawn out of chest areas also, and that's also helped extend their life and comfort. I think it was vincristine that we used for these kitties, and it seemed to help hold things at bay for a while, with mediastinal lymphoma. IT didnt seem very harsh, and the vet confirmed that. Also had 1 blood transfusion per cat and that helped. There is a Wisconsin protocol, where the chemo is alternated, and I've never used it, but it sounded effective in some situations, possibly. Best of luck to you. Gloria On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Caroline, Belinda, Diane, and Michele, Thanks so much for sharing and for your kindness. It's very helpful and comforting to hear from people what have been through something similar and/or who truly care. I know there are no easy answers as to the best thing to do or not to do. My Emma tested positive on both multiple snap tests and on laboratory ELISA tests, so as much as I was hoping it was some kind of mistake, she is indeed FeLV+. Over this past weekend, she suddenly stopped eating and drinking, her coat went from shiny black (she's a tuxedo) to dull and covered with dandruff, her purr was gone, and she was lethargic. The ultrasound revealed enormous lymph nodes, and the blood test revealed a RBC count of 10 (dangerously low) and a WBC count twice what it should be. Analysis of the bone marrow points to lymphoma. The Vet is encouraging chemotherapy, but because of past experiences with two of my dogs, I don't have a lot of faith in Veterinary oncologists. I don't want a Veterinarian giving me false help and encouraging me to pursue chemotherapy if, in fact, there's little chance it will help, and a better chance that it won't help, or worse, that it will cause suffering. Caroline, I can relate to your situation with the tumor on Monkee's leg. My dog Rebel had a mast cell tumor on his leg, which the surgeon was able to debulk, but he was unable to get clean margins. He offered amputation as an option, but Rebel was 12 years old and a big dog, and I didn't think he would manage well (though I've seen many younger dogs and even cats do perfectly well with three legs). It turns out it was really good that I didn't pursue amputation of the leg, because a week later, Rebel had a tumor on his back. The tumor on his leg grew back and continued to grow despite chemotherapy. It was the size of a large honeydew. But I continued to give him chemotherapy, hoping for a miracle. There ended up being no miracle and I lost my Rebel. Several years earlier, I'd put my dog, Daisy, through chemotherapy and radiation when she was diagnosed with oral melanoma. My Veterinarian told me I'd lose her in six months, with or without treatment. I went to an oncologist anyway and was told there was a 20% chance the treatment would help. So Daisy went throught the treatment, and a week before she died, another oncologist put her on an experimental drug (Thalidomide) despite the fact that her lungs were full of tumors. I know that everyone's experiences are different and that we all want to do what's best for our furry family members. It's just so hard to know what is best. But your support and advice have been my saving grace this week. I no longer feel quite so alone. Thank you. -- Adrienne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?
That's what I've always read. 250-500 mg twice daily (for 1 cat). Gloria At 10:34 AM 8/23/2008, wendy wrote: I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day. 500 mg once or twice a day for symptomatic kitties. I would double-check this though in the archives or elsewhere. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food? My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from me!). Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him like lysine and added water. But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters on)-- LOVES IT. As much I would like to convert all my cats to all canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much. And they have the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic. But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too. Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to back feedings or two days in a row (he's nutty). I originally tried to feed him a diet of Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste of expensive food)! That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack. So as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will keep him on the Holistic Dry. I've asked that she occassionally give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 days in a row. I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work? I have done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him canned food every few days. I think it will work tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine powder. Also, what is a good maintenance dose? He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to them as a preventative measure. thanks caroline _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?
That's what I've always read. 250-500 mg twice daily (for 1 cat). Gloria At 10:34 AM 8/23/2008, wendy wrote: I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day. 500 mg once or twice a day for symptomatic kitties. I would double-check this though in the archives or elsewhere. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food? My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from me!). Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him like lysine and added water. But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters on)-- LOVES IT. As much I would like to convert all my cats to all canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much. And they have the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic. But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too. Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to back feedings or two days in a row (he's nutty). I originally tried to feed him a diet of Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste of expensive food)! That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack. So as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will keep him on the Holistic Dry. I've asked that she occassionally give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 days in a row. I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work? I have done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him canned food every few days. I think it will work tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine powder. Also, what is a good maintenance dose? He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to them as a preventative measure. thanks caroline _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?
That's what I've always read. 250-500 mg twice daily (for 1 cat). Gloria At 10:34 AM 8/23/2008, wendy wrote: I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day. 500 mg once or twice a day for symptomatic kitties. I would double-check this though in the archives or elsewhere. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food? My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from me!). Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him like lysine and added water. But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters on)-- LOVES IT. As much I would like to convert all my cats to all canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much. And they have the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic. But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too. Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to back feedings or two days in a row (he's nutty). I originally tried to feed him a diet of Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste of expensive food)! That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack. So as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will keep him on the Holistic Dry. I've asked that she occassionally give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 days in a row. I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work? I have done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him canned food every few days. I think it will work tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine powder. Also, what is a good maintenance dose? He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to them as a preventative measure. thanks caroline _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?
That's what I've always read. 250-500 mg twice daily (for 1 cat). Gloria At 10:34 AM 8/23/2008, wendy wrote: I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day. 500 mg once or twice a day for symptomatic kitties. I would double-check this though in the archives or elsewhere. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food? My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from me!). Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him like lysine and added water. But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters on)-- LOVES IT. As much I would like to convert all my cats to all canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much. And they have the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic. But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too. Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to back feedings or two days in a row (he's nutty). I originally tried to feed him a diet of Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste of expensive food)! That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack. So as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will keep him on the Holistic Dry. I've asked that she occassionally give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 days in a row. I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work? I have done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him canned food every few days. I think it will work tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine powder. Also, what is a good maintenance dose? He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to them as a preventative measure. thanks caroline _ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy?
Wow...I am so touched by everyone's sensitivity and directness and willingness to share their personal experiences with heartbreak from cancer in their furbabies. You guys are amazing, really... Adrienne, I hope you are able to come to a decision you feel is right for Emma. That seems to be the hardest part sometimes, like you said, knowing the best thing to do. I did want to say that I keep hearing here and there over the past few years about treating cancer holistically with intraveneous Vitamin C in humans, and I know that a lot of people give Vitamin C to their FeLV+ cats for mainenance. I don't know if you would even consider this as an option, but I do think it might be a good thing to check in to, if it's even offered for cats. Does anyone know anything about this? I don't have anything to offer regarding the chemo, having no experience. What I know of is only what I've read here. Please keep us posted on little Emma, and I'm sorry you guys are having to go through this. Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Adrienne Statfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:39:44 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] chemotherapy? Hello. My beloved Emma is 5 ½ years old. Two years ago she was diagnosed as being FeLV+. I don’t know how this happened. I raised Emma and her sisters from the time they were about two days old. Her sisters are negative, as are my other cats, despite the fact that they have all lived together as indoor only cats, and have groomed each other, and shared bowls, litter boxes, and dishes. Emma tested negative for FeLV as a kitten. She has never been outside except in a carrier. Yesterday, I got the news that Emma has Lymphoma. I’ve started her on Prednisone, and the doctor is recommending chemotherapy. The doctor estimated an 8 to 10 month survival rate for cats with Lymphoma who go through chemotherapy, but couldn’t give me any idea of the prognosis for a cat who has FeLV. Any opinion about chemotherapy for an FeLV+ cat with Lymphoma? I’m heartbroken and I don’t want to do anything to prolong my beautiful girl’s suffering. Thank you. Adrienne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Like do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
Welcome to the group. Chicken breast, as well as chicken broth, worked great with my kitty Julie, who had some eating issues. Didn't help with diarrhea though. Canned pumpkin can be good for that (without spices). I always promote pure L-lysine as a supplement; you can get it at a health food store. You might have to mix it in his water if he won't eat wet food. Or in chicken broth. It's tasteless. It's good for boosting the immune system. A stress free environment and good diet are the two most important things you can do for Kiwi. The lysine may also help with the stuff in his eyes, because a lot of times that's associated with conjunctivitis/feline herpes (can't sure it but it's not anything serious; it's kind of like cold sores for humans). Lysine is good for herpes because it acts as an anti-viral. Not sure how I feel about regular blood testing for FeLV+ kitties. I did have a kitty die from anemia, so it may surprise some that I have this view, but I think the stress of the vet visit, especially many vet visits, might off-set the benefit of having regular blood tests. But that is just my opinion, and there are others here who may feel differently. Good luck with Kiwi and keep us posted! :) Wendy (Texas) Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:44:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Like do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
I'm so glad you joined this group - I remember when I found my little kitten Calawalla Banana BooBoo, in 2001, and she looked so darned healthy - so lively, and she tested positive for FELV and I just didn't know anything about it. Fortunately, I had a vet who didn't sugggest euth. and who said not to worry, the virus dies when it hits the air, etc etc. I kept her separated from my other cats for a while - even taped paper to the bottom of the door. But after rading and talking and being on this list, I finally decided to just open the doors up and mix the cats. WOrked fine. Calawalla died in 2004. I knew about interferon, from Tally and her web site, but never used it - just didn't think that healthy little kitten would get sick and die. But she did, she was between 2.5 and 3 yrs old.It seemed fairly sudden, but she had mediastinal lymphoma. Anyhow, I'm a believer in daily interferon, if the kitties are less than 4 years old. I have a friend with 1 FELV cat and 1 non-FELV cat. She's used oral low dose interferon for her FELV cat, and kitty has made it past kittenhood into adult hood (must be 5 or 6 now). There are vastly different prices available for interferon. BTW, I have 5 FELV cats right now - 1 is 5, 2 are around 13 years, and the new one is a year or two - I'm starting him on interferon. SOunds like your kitten may have some additional problems, but he may turn out ok - I'd encourage you to go ahead and pursue keeping him healthy, and also look into interferon. Chicken sounds like a good option for upset stomach, btw. Best of luck, Gloria On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Like do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
Wendy, I am certainly no expert but have experienced life with a felv positive cat. If your Kiwi is acting fine, maybe you could change his diet to see if this helps his diarrhea. We had a cat who would eat nothing but chicken (human chicken) and he lived for over 20 years. Of course he didn't have feline leukemia. Personally, my belief is that stess is the biggest killer of these cats. You can have all the lab work in the world done but if you are not financially in a position to pay for extrodinary treatment, then what is the point. My concern now would be to get the diarrhea under control and watch his eyes. That can be treated. It may not be anything all that significant. If he becomes inactive, won't eat or drink water or seems to be having trouble breathing then I would take him to the vet. Also if the diarrhea doesn't subside with a change in diet he should be checked out as well. Best of luck to you and your Kiwi. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Li ke do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. The re has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3382 (20080823) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
A couple of my cats have herpes. An outbreak is evidenced by clear discharge from the eyes. Gunky eyes most likely mean an upper respiratory infection which may require antibiotics. A failure to treat an infected eye can lead to ulcers and even blindness. I encourage a vet visit for the gunky eyes. A vet can tell you if Kiwi has a temperature...unless you can take his temp. I wouldn't wait for gunky eyes to self correct. For diarrhea/food ideas, check out www.catinfo.org and maybe visit the IBD yahoo group. Sometimes WD works (if they need more fiber) and sometimes Low Reside Works (if they need less fiber). Both foods have to be purchased at vet office. Diarrhea can sometimes mean a food allergy (it does in my house) and often times grains can be allergens. Important to keep him hydrated. You can syringe unflavored pedialyte into his mouth (carefully). Good info on syringing at the feline assisted feeding yahoo group. There is a new product for diarrhea (Purina?). Maybe someone else remembers what it's called. May need a vet to provide it. Not sure. I wouldn't sit on either problem. Good you are acting. Prayers for Kiwi. L Iowa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat Wendy, I am certainly no expert but have experienced life with a felv positive cat. If your Kiwi is acting fine, maybe you could change his diet to see if this helps his diarrhea. We had a cat who would eat nothing but chicken (human chicken) and he lived for over 20 years. Of course he didn't have feline leukemia. Personally, my belief is that stess is the biggest killer of these cats. You can have all the lab work in the world done but if you are not financially in a position to pay for extrodinary treatment, then what is the point. My concern now would be to get the diarrhea under control and watch his eyes. That can be treated. It may not be anything all that significant. If he becomes inactive, won't eat or drink water or seems to be having trouble breathing then I would take him to the vet. Also if the diarrhea doesn't subside with a change in diet he should be checked out as well. Best of luck to you and your Kiwi. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Li ke do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. The re has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3382 (20080823) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
I hope everything turns out OK for the little guy. Will Bandfield take him and not exclude anything to do with pre-existing conditions? Will they take a FeLV+ cat at all? I would guess they wouldn't cover him but would be very happy to hear they would. Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat My son found kiwi beside his dead sibling in the woods. Kiwi was actually very healthy. We cleaned him up and gave him kitten formula. The next day we took him to our local vet who thought he was between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks old. He would not suck on the kitten nipple bottle so we feed him through a dropper. He acted as though we could not feed him fast enough. He loved his kitten formula. We did everything for him a mom cat would do. He thrived. When he was about 3 months old one of my daughters took the kitten to the vet because she was also taking her cat. Everything looked good until they did the fel Luk test. It came take positive. We were all shocked. The vet asked us what we wanted to do. Like do we want them to put him to sleep. I couldn't believe it. This active happy go lucky kitten. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. We were worried about the other cat, who had been immunized against it. He came back negative. Well, this was last summer. Now he is a year old and has been fixed and tested positive again. We think he might have gotten it from his farel mother's milk. All this time we were trying to place him in a foster home, because we had two dogs and another cat. There has not been any openings, I think possibly because he is felv positive. Right now he has diarrhea and some guk in his eyes. But he does act fine. I do feed him dry food because he throws up wet food. He needs to see a vet, but I don't have the money. I know with dogs if they get an upset stomack and have diarrhea, chicken breast is good. I am wondering if chicken breast might be helpful for cats also. I am also exploring to see if I can sign him up with Bandfield at Petsmart. I would get the top plan which is about $30.00. I figure it's better then nothing. I think most lab work is included. And I also think they he will need plenty of blood test to check his blood count. Any advise is very welcomed. Thanks! P.S. wish I could send pictures of him! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3382 (20080823) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi our felv one year old cat
There is a new product for diarrhea (Purina?). Maybe someone else remembers what it's called. May need a vet to provide it. Not sure. I wouldn't sit on either problem. Good you are acting. Prayers for Kiwi. L Iowa You do not need a vet to provide Fortiflora, if that is what you are talking about...Purina makes it. Fortiflora: *http://tinyurl.com/4zp9h5 *My vet swears by Diarsanyl : *http://tinyurl.com/6cpowb *He says it contains volcanic earth, and to quote him sounds like hippie stuff, but it works. I keep both in my arsenal of kitty diarrhea remedies. Usually if one does not work, the other will. * * http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
