Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Dear Kim, Your little baby just couldn't do it any more. That's all. Her little precious life just expended itself. All the while she did have life in her, she had the warmth of your loving touch and the softness of your lips against her too, as surely you kissed her a thousand times or more in her brief little life. Love is our only true form of communication with these precious creatures God has blessed us with, so you no doubt talked her little ears off. :) I know you are suffering and questioning yourself. That's natural. Just don't burden yourself with too much of the latter. You didn't intend any harm upon her, so your heart is pure. Please believe that. I cried for you this morning knowing the pain you are feeling, and my heart hurts for you. Let me, and others here, lift you up with our prayers and affirmations of your love and kindness. May God bless you. Mike 3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
Dear Sherry, My heart hurts for you and your family. LOVE the name. Can I use that one some day?!! :D God bless you. Mike 3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
Hi Mike,thanks for your kind words. General was one of the sanctuary cats at Sids where I volunteer.I guess we are one BIG extended family. :) When we lose one of our cats,it feels like one of mine. Feel free to use the name.The Dr. that runs the sanctuaries names 99% of them all. She comes up with some doozies. :) Take care, Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 7:55 AM Dear Sherry, My heart hurts for you and your family. LOVE the name. Can I use that one some day?!! :D God bless you. Mike 3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Stacy, One of my negative cats has EGC on his belly. He gets raised, red plaques and licks constantly. I had no luck with topical creams, fish oil, or allergy shots. We had him on prednisolone to control it for quite a while, because it worked and it was what we could afford. Unfortunately, it also thinned his bones and he broke his leg last summer. All better now, but all told, the steroid was not so cheap. His brother has food allergies and is on Cyclosporine to control them. It was $90.00 bucks a month for his meds, but our vet found a cheaper supplier ($43.00/month) so we were able to start giving it to our EGC boy as well. It has worked even better for him than for the food allergy boy. He gets a 25mg pill 5-6 days a week, hoping to be able to cut him down to every other day eventually. It is an immune suppressant, so they are not getting vaccinations while on it. Not as big of an issue here as we no longer have any FeLV+ in our group. Kidney function does need to be monitered while they are on it. My vet was more paranoid about this in the beginning, did CBC's before starting it, another a month later, and then one every six months. As it's been used on more cats she's become more confident in its safety and now they will just get a yearly CBC, unless they show any signs of urinary issues. Best of luck, Beth On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Mike, thank you for your insight! I printed your e-mail and will keep it on my desk. Although I haven't had a pet loss in over a year, I do have pets and when that future day comes around when I am, again, in that awful pain I can look at it and be comforted. Thanks. Sally J. Nordstrom Ms. Sally Jo's Oversized Escorts 2629 N. Booth St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 Phone: (414) 687-2333 Fax: (414) 377-4777 e-mail: ms...@sbcglobal.net $1M insurance WA NY Certified GA Amber Light Permit Landstar approved GPS Equipped Passport - will run Canada References available upon request Member CERT (Community Emergency Response Team - Department of Homeland Security) --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 6:52 AM Dear Kim, Your little baby just couldn't do it any more. That's all. Her little precious life just expended itself. All the while she did have life in her, she had the warmth of your loving touch and the softness of your lips against her too, as surely you kissed her a thousand times or more in her brief little life. Love is our only true form of communication with these precious creatures God has blessed us with, so you no doubt talked her little ears off. :) I know you are suffering and questioning yourself. That's natural. Just don't burden yourself with too much of the latter. You didn't intend any harm upon her, so your heart is pure. Please believe that. I cried for you this morning knowing the pain you are feeling, and my heart hurts for you. Let me, and others here, lift you up with our prayers and affirmations of your love and kindness. May God bless you. Mike 3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :(
I'm sorry to hear about GM. What a cool name he had! We are fighting for the life of our Oreo right now. Hope we can turn her back around and give a few more weeks, months, hopefully years. Peggy 2010/11/6 Natalie at...@optonline.net I am so sorry about GM - I had Diesel a few years ago - new owners changed it to Tigger.Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 6:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( Sherry, so saddened to read that GM has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. What a great name. He sounds like a wonderful fella. Thank you for everything you do for these special kitties. Sharyl --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] General Motor Please add to the CLS :( To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 10:08 PM We lost another sweet Sids kid today.General Motor got his name because of the loud purr he always had for us...we will miss you GM :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Natalie, Could this tonic work on a cancerous behavior of Felv or just tumors? Peggy 2010/11/6 Natalie at...@optonline.net This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi: I have been giving him unscented salmon oil daily to see if it helps. I am trying to get him into a dermatologist at the ER vet clinic. I have to wait for them to call me back tomorrow. My vet said I should see what they say and then we have to treat him with the steroids or whatever the recommendation is. I don't want to give the steroids - only as a last resort. I will look into the welactin also - I saw it has vit. e as well. Thanks for everyone's help. Stacy Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:28:27 + From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: bay144-ds10aadff54e2fc94f8b06a2c0...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. -Original Message- From: Stacy Zacher Sent: 11/5/2010 3:59:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. He has this also between his eyes and in his whiskers so it is migrating to other parts of his face. It started out as a white dot, then as his immune system became more depressed it turned into the granulomas and they keep getting larger. I started him on a topical steroid 3x a day. The cream they gave me to put on the granulomas is called tritop (neomycin sulfate isoflupredone acetate, tetracaine hydrochloride ointment.) However, I'm not sure how long we can wait to see if it works - next steps would be the steroid injection which will be dangerous for him given his lack of an immune system. Not sure if pred pill form should be tried first. I can't have his breathing blocked and do nothing. At this point he can breathe and is eating/drinking. I started him on cyproheptadine for his appetite. He's lost about 1.5 lbs since May and keeps steadily losing though he is eating. Spanky's last blood results were better or the same as before. He's FELV pos and was anemic. I have been giving him Pet-tinic 2x per day and it was able to raise his HCT to 32%. I know there is a risk if I have to give him the oral steroids ultimately on his already non-existent immune system but I have to do something as they can turn into cancer. If anyone gives oral steroids or if your kitty has had these granulomas I'd like to hear how your kitties handle it. Spanky's WBC was only 2400 last test (low of 996). It is all such a delicate balance/juggling act with the FELV/anemia/ beginning of CRF/etc. The standard treatment for the granulomas is steroids (usually the depo steroid injection). I'm just looking for any advice or recommendations - do I see a dermatologist or risk surgery (laser surgery to remove these if I can find a laser surgeon in my area)? Sorry for rambling but I'm so upset that this has to be inside his nose now! Cindi on the anemia list gave me some good links I will send to my vet as well. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AC=189A=656S=2 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2544 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6694O=Generic Thanks. Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Hi, Kim - I've been doing this only 19 years, officially - before then it was on my own, since I was a kid, with my parents, etc. That sounds like a horrible caseI have never come across anything like that as the mother cat killing her kittensAnd, yes, the Strongid-T dosage depends highly on the size and weight of a cat/kitten. My vet is very careful with it, always warning me to dose appropriately! I remember another vet years ago who was very lax in the use of the amount of Strongid-T that was administeredYou still shouldn't blame yourself for any part for the kitten's death, after all, one hopes to be able to rely on a veterinarians' expertise! I suppose the lesson is to always listen to your inner voice and when in doubt, rely on it more. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 8:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Hi Natalie, I've been doing this for 20 years now and this year has been my worst year ever. About 2 months ago, I removed a cat from the pound who just had 4 kittens the night before. The kittens weren't even 24 hours old yet and they were waiting in line to be pts. Well, 2 weeks after she was in my home she came down with a horrible URI and my vet assured me that the kittens would be protected by the mother's milk and they would not get it. Well, long story short, they got it. Then the mother cat decided to drown one in the water bowl and she deheaded the other one. After feeding the other 2 with a stomach tube and doing sub q fluids I had to take the last 2 of her kittens to be put to sleep because they kept fading. The mother cat is doing fine now though. This is only a small sample of my year with kittens. I was talking to my husband and we both feel like the kitten was given too much wormer. I doubt the kitten that only weighed 3/4 pound should have been given the same amount as her siblings who weighed 2 and 1/4 pounds. I can only go by what my vet tells me. I brought them all in to the vet's office when I first got them. My first guess was worms when the little kitten was throwing up. My vet tested the poop samples and they came back negative. Then I was told the little kitten who was throwing up had mega esophagus. I babied her for a month and had her in and out of the vet's office. Thursday night when I saw the roundworms being thrown up I felt like she would improve once wormed. This time I saw a different vet in the same office who agreed that she could be full of worms and that was causing her to throw up; might not be mega esophagus. The breathing problems only started Monday night, 5 days before I saw the worms being thrown up. I'm trying not to blame myself but I do feel like if the vet had wormed them all at four weeks old this would be a whole new story with a different ending. I do blame myself for not being more assertive in getting them wormed earlier. My vet doesn't like to worm animals if their poop samples don't show any signs of parasites. I've told them time and time again that animals can have normal samples but still have parasites. They just don't show up at the time of the testing. I also blame myself for not questioning my vet for not giving me an antibiotic to give at home when we were there on Monday night. She gave my kitten an antibiotic injection but nothing went home with me. When I was there on Friday getting them wormed I asked about the need for antibiotics (in case she had pneumonia) and she told me that she had forgotten to give me an antibiotic on Monday and remembered it after we had left the office. I don't know why my vet couldn't have called me and had me come back to get it. When I left the vet's office on Monday my vet told me that my kitten would most likely die that night. Well, she didn't, she actually improved and was playing and eating well and throwing up minimally. She had a bad day Thursday and after I saw the worms being thrown up I knew in my heart what her problem was all along. I had very high hopes of her improving after she was wormed but that didn't happen. It was her worst, last few hours ever. I am so sorry about your kitten, Puddles. I've raised the newborn orphans for 20 years now (it's what I do for the humane society here because no one else wants to put the time into them that's needed to keep them alive) and I've syringe fed them all with very good outcomes. I've lost only a handful and several have had FeLV or congenital problems or neurological disorders but have done well. I appreciate what you did for Puddles and I know Puddles did, too. Kim ...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet... The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From:
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
We don't know - but since Graviola has always been such a well-known anticancer herb, and FeLV could be considered a form of cancer, I suppose, I don't see why it shouldn't. I am going to try it on my two FeLV asymptomatic cats starting in the new year. The salve works on external tumors/skin cancers, or if they are not external, a path to them can be created by a veterinarian, and the tonic is for backup and internal cancers. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:40 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie, Could this tonic work on a cancerous behavior of Felv or just tumors? Peggy 2010/11/6 Natalie at...@optonline.net This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
The tonic works not only on cancer - it's great for overall health! The black salve would still be a good thing to try, it won't attack any other cells! But I'm not sure about the one you mention, there are so many copies out thereand expensive, too! For tough skin, try a much thinner needle...I have all sizes at home depending on cats' skin toughness. It may take a little longer, but goes in easier than a thick one. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Zacher Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Mike, I truly do appreciate your email. Your words were very comforting to read and the prayers are very much needed. You're right, I kissed her all the time and was constantly talking to her. I truly didn't intend to harm my kitten. I really was trying to help her. I'd do anything to have her with me again. She loved for me to carry her around and she would snuggle up in my arms and look up at me with those gorgeous eyes of hers and touch my face with her paws. It will take me along time to get over this. I miss her so much. I took time away from her three siblings while I had her and she needed me so now I am trying to make up for that and give to them because they are giving so much love to me right now. They are trying so hard to comfort me. Thank you so much for this email, Mike. Kim ...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet... The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Mike Finch Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Dear Kim, Your little baby just couldn't do it any more. That's all. Her little precious life just expended itself. All the while she did have life in her, she had the warmth of your loving touch and the softness of your lips against her too, as surely you kissed her a thousand times or more in her brief little life. Love is our only true form of communication with these precious creatures God has blessed us with, so you no doubt talked her little ears off. :) I know you are suffering and questioning yourself. That's natural. Just don't burden yourself with too much of the latter. You didn't intend any harm upon her, so your heart is pure. Please believe that. I cried for you this morning knowing the pain you are feeling, and my heart hurts for you. Let me, and others here, lift you up with our prayers and affirmations of your love and kindness. May God bless you. Mike 3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] What to do after they die?
Hello, I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone through yet so my post was rejected. I was asking for suggestions on how to get my FLV cat, Chloe, to eat. Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning. I wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast. Anyway, can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat tunnel, litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home? I have read that the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - leaving me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on them to get other cats sick. That is the last thing I'd want. Does anyone have any suggestions? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?
I'm sorry to hear about your cat! You have done all you can. I'm struggling with trying to get a cat to eat right now myself. I'm force feeding her with AD now. A couple of syringes at a time. The Felv virus can only survive a couple of hours, but there are other bacterias of secondary infections Felv cats can suffer from that can still be around in the house and on the things your cat used. My vet told me to disinfect everything you can wash and wipe down (like bowls, litter boxes and blankets) with a bleach and water dilutions. All the things I couldn't wash or wipe down (like the cat tree) I sprayed with Lysol, several times. But just to make sure I would wait several weeks before you give it someone else. 2010/11/7 Laura Svoboda lazygra...@yahoo.com Hello, I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone through yet so my post was rejected. I was asking for suggestions on how to get my FLV cat, Chloe, to eat. Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning. I wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast. Anyway, can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat tunnel, litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home? I have read that the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - leaving me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on them to get other cats sick. That is the last thing I'd want. Does anyone have any suggestions? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Just remember too those depo shots can cause diabetes. My can Tabby got diabetes after getting one depo shot for an asthma attack. -Original Message- From: Stacy Zacher Sent: 11/7/2010 4:11:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi: I have been giving him unscented salmon oil daily to see if it helps. I am trying to get him into a dermatologist at the ER vet clinic. I have to wait for them to call me back tomorrow. My vet said I should see what they say and then we have to treat him with the steroids or whatever the recommendation is. I don't want to give the steroids - only as a last resort. I will look into the welactin also - I saw it has vit. e as well. Thanks for everyone's help. Stacy Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:28:27 + From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: bay144-ds10aadff54e2fc94f8b06a2c0...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. -Original Message- From: Stacy Zacher Sent: 11/5/2010 3:59:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. He has this also between his eyes and in his whiskers so it is migrating to other parts of his face. It started out as a white dot, then as his immune system became more depressed it turned into the granulomas and they keep getting larger. I started him on a topical steroid 3x a day. The cream they gave me to put on the granulomas is called tritop (neomycin sulfate isoflupredone acetate, tetracaine hydrochloride ointment.) However, I'm not sure how long we can wait to see if it works - next steps would be the steroid injection which will be dangerous for him given his lack of an immune system. Not sure if pred pill form should be tried first. I can't have his breathing blocked and do nothing. At this point he can breathe and is eating/drinking. I started him on cyproheptadine for his appetite. He's lost about 1.5 lbs since May and keeps steadily losing though he is eating. Spanky's last blood results were better or the same as before. He's FELV pos and was anemic. I have been giving him Pet-tinic 2x per day and it was able to raise his HCT to 32%. I know there is a risk if I have to give him the oral steroids ultimately on his already non-existent immune system but I have to do something as they can turn into cancer. If anyone gives oral steroids or if your kitty has had these granulomas I'd like to hear how your kitties handle it. Spanky's WBC was only 2400 last test (low of 996). It is all such a delicate balance/juggling act with the FELV/anemia/ beginning of CRF/etc. The standard treatment for the granulomas is steroids (usually the depo steroid injection). I'm just looking for any advice or recommendations - do I see a dermatologist or risk surgery (laser surgery to remove these if I can find a laser surgeon in my area)? Sorry for rambling but I'm so upset that this has to be inside his nose now! Cindi on the anemia list gave me some good links I will send to my vet as well. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AC=189A=656S=2 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2544 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6694O=Generic Thanks. Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Stacy,I have used Neoplasene and would never use it on a symptomatic FeLV cat. It is also very hard on the liver as the liver has to process all the toxins. A very informative group where you can get info is - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/?yguid=323115008 El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:21:16 -0800 From: stacy_zac...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
That is NOT the black salve that I'm was referring to - harms nothing other than cancerous cells. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of designercats Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Stacy,I have used Neoplasene and would never use it on a symptomatic FeLV cat. It is also very hard on the liver as the liver has to process all the toxins. A very informative group where you can get info is - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/?yguid =323115008 El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:21:16 -0800 From: stacy_zac...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?
Im so aorry for your loss. My vet said the virus lasts only a short while outside the body, a minute or so. Healthy adult cats have good immunity to it anyhow. I have lost several felv cats, and never do any extraordinary cleaning or waiting when they pass away. In my opinion don't worry about it. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Laura Svoboda lazygra...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone through yet so my post was rejected. I was asking for suggestions on how to get my FLV cat, Chloe, to eat. Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning. I wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast. Anyway, can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat tunnel, litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home? I have read that the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - leaving me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on them to get other cats sick. That is the last thing I'd want. Does anyone have any suggestions? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?
So sorry about your kitty. I never do anything special. Just clean like they had a cold. I wouldn't do anything. Her tree will be fine. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Laura Svoboda lazygra...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:25:23 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die? Hello, I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone through yet so my post was rejected. I was asking for suggestions on how to get my FLV cat, Chloe, to eat. Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning. I wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast. Anyway, can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat tunnel, litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home? I have read that the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - leaving me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on them to get other cats sick. That is the last thing I'd want. Does anyone have any suggestions? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
The cancer cells that are killed have to be processed through the liver. Neoplasene (black salve) is highly effective but caution must be used. Stacy, if you're considering using it please join that forum. Everyone on there uses it and would be of great help.El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:38:59 -0500 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage That is NOT the black salve that I'm was referring to - harms nothing other than cancerous cells. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of designercats Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Stacy,I have used Neoplasene and would never use it on a symptomatic FeLV cat. It is also very hard on the liver as the liver has to process all the toxins. A very informative group where you can get info is - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/?yguid =323115008 El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:21:16 -0800 From: stacy_zac...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
