Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Hi Gary, Have they been checked for Trichomonas foetus? That was the first thing that came to mind when I read your post. See if this might make sense; http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/docs/documents/ownersguide_tfoetus_revised_122009_final.pdf You might be able to stop the actual diarrhea with loperomide, but that's short term and won't eliminate the cause. Have they ever lived together? Have they been treated for parasites even if they don't show up in a fecal? Most worms/parasites only show intermittantly, so I always try a course of panacur for diarrhea that doesn't self-limit. I will think more about it :) HTH, Margo -Original Message- From: gcru...@centurytel.net Sent: May 11, 2013 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New member from Nebraska
Hi Marta, Unfortuntely euthanasia is the best option in some cases. For example if the cat who tested positive is a shelter cat. However there are several of us on this list who have FelV sanctuaries, and I am one of them. I have lost many kittens who has FelV pos. mothers but my older FelV cats often live symptom free for many years. For example I have two FelV + cats who are 5 years old. Lorrie in WV On 05-10, Marta Gasper wrote: Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in Fairbury, Nebraska. One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders that'd make him hard to adopt. Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ and some time before he succumbed one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option. Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo won't get better. I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know how much Interferon is right now etc. Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments? And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list Marta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Slightly positive
Gary, Re: your comment on being slightly pregnant, thanks for a much needed chuckle. Yes, taking in FelV+ cats and kittens is not for everyone. It is usually quite heartbreaking, but Zoloft helps!! Lorrie On 05-11, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Lorrie, Sorry for your loss. I also sanctuary FeLV+ cats and find that if it is contracted as a kitten, at least 70% will pass before their first birthday. I have one I got when he was about 4 months and he is now almost 5 years old. I have a mother and two of her kittens that all tested positive and I have had them for 4 years. Just lost a couple I got as adults had them for 3 and 4 years. Sometimes they go very quickly and sometimes not. People ask me how I can do this, I just say how can I not. It is definitely not something for everyone though. There may still be a bit of controversy about slight positives but I think it is like a pregnancy test, you can't be slightly pregnant. Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Slightly positive
Adult FELV cats are less of a heartbreak as a lot of times they can live to an old age, just scare you every time they get an infection, get off their feed, etc. Annie is one of those, minor things come up, I run to the vet and he grins and says It is just an ordinary runny nose. Of course, I never know for sure until he looks at her. With Nitnoy, she was just at 1 year, it was different. A coon bit off all but 3-4 of her tail before she got to me, she was very small and frightened. She never felt secure and I think that contributed to her early death from compacted anal glands which became infected. I learned. Now I check everyone's glands at least once a week. That is the way it goes, we learn from experience and maybe by the time we die, we will know everything there is to know. In the meantime, we give them love and a safe place to live and they give us more love than we know what to do with. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Gary, Re: your comment on being slightly pregnant, thanks for a much needed chuckle. Yes, taking in FelV+ cats and kittens is not for everyone. It is usually quite heartbreaking, but Zoloft helps!! Lorrie On 05-11, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Lorrie, Sorry for your loss. I also sanctuary FeLV+ cats and find that if it is contracted as a kitten, at least 70% will pass before their first birthday. I have one I got when he was about 4 months and he is now almost 5 years old. I have a mother and two of her kittens that all tested positive and I have had them for 4 years. Just lost a couple I got as adults had them for 3 and 4 years. Sometimes they go very quickly and sometimes not. People ask me how I can do this, I just say how can I not. It is definitely not something for everyone though. There may still be a bit of controversy about slight positives but I think it is like a pregnancy test, you can't be slightly pregnant. Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
I have tried to switch my pride (6) to a raw diet, they just turn up their noses and refuse to touch it. Of course, when I let them outside, they love mice, moles and voles. Funny tho, they never eat the organs, just head, legs and skin. How did you switch yours? Do you warm it up? They won't even eat canned food unless it is body temperature. In the meantime, I feed Blue Buffalo and Wellness which is better than the commercial stuff. I had a couple getting sick every time they ate from the corn, wheat and soy. As soon as I switched, that went away. Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^ -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
http://wholepetsholistic.com/store/ I order from those folks. On May 12, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^ -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Hello, Have you tried slippery elm? I have used it for diarrhea and it works well. Good luck! Sent from my iPhone. On May 12, 2013, at 14:58, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I have tried to switch my pride (6) to a raw diet, they just turn up their noses and refuse to touch it. Of course, when I let them outside, they love mice, moles and voles. Funny tho, they never eat the organs, just head, legs and skin. How did you switch yours? Do you warm it up? They won't even eat canned food unless it is body temperature. In the meantime, I feed Blue Buffalo and Wellness which is better than the commercial stuff. I had a couple getting sick every time they ate from the corn, wheat and soy. As soon as I switched, that went away. Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Smaller pet stores, not chain stores, tend to have it too. Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember http://wholepetsholistic.com/store/ I order from those folks. On May 12, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: I've seen it listed at Chewy.com; http://www.chewy.com/cat/wet-food-389/tiki-cat and at Wags; http://www.wag.com/cat/p/tiki-cat-king-kamehameha-luau-variety-pack-146352 Too much fish for my FLUTD guys. ^..^ -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 12, 2013 3:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Where do you get Tiki Cat? I have never seen it at Petsmart. , Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I may have discovered something that Ember likes even more than FF. Tiki Cat has two chicken formulas, and she adores both of those. I'm feeding her a 2.8 oz can a day, along with as much of a can of a different brand of food as she'll eat. On Apr 23, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Sometimes, you can mix in a little of another food w. the FF… Just a little, though—they figure it out and then turn up their noses! LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
