Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Margo]

Hi Jennifer,
 Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous.If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and askabout Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. 
 Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this.I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care,get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. 
 Please help herby gettingthe dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow.
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( 
They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-(
Jennifer
On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, "moonsister22" moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think "simple" first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert.Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.Sent from my iPodOn Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- "To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing." --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Lee Evans]

Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her 
mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though) until 
it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a time. Towel 
on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk to cat, syringe 
at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during illness. Be sure to 
wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It may take almost a half 
hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will feel that she is spending 
quality time with you instead of having food stuffed into her mouth. Feeding 
tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for cats and should be a last resort. I 
usually use Hills A/D as it's a very soft pate made for syringe feeding ill 
cats. You buy it at the vet clinic. Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing 
away left overs that have already been blended. Try to get a half a can at a 
time into her. Once you syringe feed for
 a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would recommend you 
ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or liquid.




On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
wrote:
 
 
 
Hi Jennifer,
   Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised 
that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about 
it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is 
impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or 
sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her 
eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, 
then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them 
show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting 
injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than 
nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally 
seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need 
to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. 
   Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and 
assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give 
to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get 
to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or 
IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow 
drop-off. 
   Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. 
She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least 
she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to 
follow.
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message- 
From: Jennifer Ballew 
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM 
To: felvtalk 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(  


They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward 
signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's 
going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(
Jennifer
On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she 
have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the 
cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and 
fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his 
back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a 
non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going 
strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the 
last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but 
cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your 
brain cells on high alert.

Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

Sent from my iPod

On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all-


 This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV 
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never 
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently 
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
 within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating 
 (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she 
 seems very unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they 
 checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were 
 elevated.  They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
 related to possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took 
 her home.  I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her 
 through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful 
 procedures and that I would 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Katherine K.]

I agree with Lee. A few spoonfuls of pate are not enough if she has stopped
eating. She should probably be getting about 1 can per day. Hills AD is
very soft, I don't even mix it up with water. Ask the vet to give you some
syringes that arent too narrow of an opening. I use the 10mL (aka 10cc)
ones, fill several up at a time, then just start with the feeding,
squirting 1 cc on the side of the tongue at a time. There can be some messy
trial and error at first.  How is she doing today?


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her
 mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though)
 until it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a
 time. Towel on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk
 to cat, syringe at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during
 illness. Be sure to wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It
 may take almost a half hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will
 feel that she is spending quality time with you instead of having food
 stuffed into her mouth. Feeding tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for
 cats and should be a last resort. I usually use Hills A/D as it's a very
 soft pate made for syringe feeding ill cats. You buy it at the vet clinic.
 Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing away left overs that have already
 been blended. Try to get a half a can at a time into her. Once you syringe
 feed for a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would
 recommend you ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or
 liquid.



   On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo 
 toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:



 Hi Jennifer,
Well, I think she will need some help. I am
 surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing
 something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is
 drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she
 must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined
 with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you
 don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and
 request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and
 ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally
 recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of
 you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask
 about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so
 maybe you don't want to try.
Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and
 assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to
 give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term
 care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY
 for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most
 Vets will allow drop-off.
Please help her by getting the dehydration
 resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or
 move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course
 you elect to follow.
 All the best,
 Margo
 -Original Message-
 From: Jennifer Ballew
 Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM
 To: felvtalk
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

 They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward
 signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's
 going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(
 Jennifer
 On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she
 have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the
 cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and
 fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his
 back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a
 non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and
 going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use
 up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple
 but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and
 your brain cells on high alert.

 Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey all-
 
 
  This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
 the last few days she has 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Avaykn]

Hi,
I'm keeping you her in my prayers.
You are getting some very good advice here but the main thing is to get her 
hydrated right now.


Sent from my iPhone.

 On Oct 10, 2013, at 8:46, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I agree with Lee. A few spoonfuls of pate are not enough if she has stopped 
 eating. She should probably be getting about 1 can per day. Hills AD is very 
 soft, I don't even mix it up with water. Ask the vet to give you some 
 syringes that arent too narrow of an opening. I use the 10mL (aka 10cc) ones, 
 fill several up at a time, then just start with the feeding, squirting 1 cc 
 on the side of the tongue at a time. There can be some messy trial and error 
 at first.  How is she doing today?
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her 
 mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though) 
 until it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a 
 time. Towel on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk 
 to cat, syringe at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during 
 illness. Be sure to wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It 
 may take almost a half hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will 
 feel that she is spending quality time with you instead of having food 
 stuffed into her mouth. Feeding tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for 
 cats and should be a last resort. I usually use Hills A/D as it's a very 
 soft pate made for syringe feeding ill cats. You buy it at the vet clinic. 
 Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing away left overs that have already 
 been blended. Try to get a half a can at a time into her. Once you syringe 
 feed for a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would 
 recommend you ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or 
 liquid.
 
 
 
 On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
  
  
 Hi Jennifer,
Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised 
 that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about 
 it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is 
 impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV 
 or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start 
 her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the 
 Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and 
 have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a 
 long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's 
 better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that 
 medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite 
 stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't 
 want to try.
Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and 
 assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to 
 give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term 
 care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY 
 for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most 
 Vets will allow drop-off.
Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. 
 She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At 
 least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect 
 to follow.
 All the best,
 Margo
 -Original Message- 
 From: Jennifer Ballew 
 Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM 
 To: felvtalk 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(  
 
 They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward 
 signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's 
 going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(
 Jennifer
 On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she 
 have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the 
 cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and 
 fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his 
 back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a 
 non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and 
 going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use 
 up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple 
 but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and 
 your brain cells on high alert.
 
 Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.
 
 Sent from my iPod
 
 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey all-
 
 
  This is the first time 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[trustinhim13]

Jennifer,
 My Pookie was diagnosed when he was 2 years old, and the virus showed 
up after I had him neutered. I took him to a vet who told me his blood 
count was 4.5, that it was in his bone marrow, and he would not live out 
the week. Unable to stand, I brought him home and nourished him the best 
I could. The vet gave me a huge bottle of amoxicillan and basically said 
good luck. I fed him broth through a syringe. Pushed vitamins (Petinic), 
water,  DMG, etc. He recovered. My miracle boy. He is still with me at 
age 6 1/2. Praise God! Don't give up. I have had great results with a 
holistic vet and accupuncture this summer. He had a fare up. I don't 
know how it works but it does. I also give him Wei Qi (way chee) a herb 
that helps his immune system. Better than DMG which is for humans. I 
found he wasn't eating becasue he had a sore in his mouth. Sometimes the 
vets won't check for a sore in the mouth. They won't eat or drink if it 
hurts. ClinDrops (clindamycin) worked for that.  I will be praying for 
you. Carolyn


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew wrote:


Hey all-


This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has 
never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only 
recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and 
only

drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked 
her

blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
related to
possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her 
home.

I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and 
that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while 
she was
alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if 
any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to 
pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. 
I'm
sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through the 
most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to 
live
a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or 
information

I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks all,

Jennifer

--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
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[Felvtalk] Assist feeding was/ Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Margo]

Hi Jennifer,
 Both Lee and Katherine have given good advice for assist feeding on a regular basis. Feeding a sick cat can be tricky. You don't want to _force_ it, because this has to happen again and again. You want to get nutrition in without stress. Hill's a/d is a good choice, as is Eukanuba MaxCal, both prescription, and your Vet should have at least one. If not, get an all meat baby food, without onion. That will do fine on a temporary basis, and if even that's not available, get the finest grained pate type food, and if you can, blend it with water until it's as smooth as you can get it. Whatever the food, it should be the consistency of thick cream.I keep it in a little plastic container with a top, and use what I need each feeding. Refrigerate in between, and reheat in a bowl if very warm water when needed again. In this case, I wouldn't be concerned with getting much into your girl at a time. 1/2 a can would be great for the day initially, but anything is better than nothing, and can help prevent hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver disease) from not eating. Lee's description of how to do this, and how important it is to keep them clean is spot on. Rather than trying to get a certain amount in her at a sitting, I'd work first on getting her to accept tiny amounts. I use a 5 cc syringe because it's short and gives me the best control, but whatever you're comfortable with will work, as long as it has a slip tip. I gave Gribble only about 1/2 cc at a time, and sometimes we only got one or two in before he started to struggle. We quit when he did, and tried again in an hour. Gribbseventually became accustomed to the whole process, and we got to two syringes (10 ccs) at a sitting.He never got up to a full can a day, and maybe less than 1/2 on most. He did maintain his weight and after about a week began eating on his own. 
 I hope you were able to get her hydrated and that she's doing much better,
All the best,
Margo


-Original Message- From: "Katherine K." Sent: Oct 10, 2013 8:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( 
I agree with Lee. A few spoonfuls of pate are not enough if she has stopped eating. She should probably be getting about 1 can per day. Hills AD is very soft, I don't even mix it up with water. Ask the vet to give you some syringes that arent too narrow of an opening. I use the 10mL (aka 10cc) ones, fill several up at a time, then just start with the feeding, squirting 1 cc on the side of the tongue at a time. There can be some messy trial and error at first. How is she doing today?

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:


Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though) until it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a time. Towel on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk to cat, syringe at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during illness. Be sure to wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It may take almost a half hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will feel that she is spending quality time with you instead of having food stuffed into her mouth. Feeding tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for cats and should be a last resort. I usually use Hills A/D as it's a very soft pate made for syringe feeding ill cats. You buy it at the vet clinic. Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing away left overs that have already been blended. Try to get a half a can at a time into her. Once you syringe feed for a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would recommend you ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or liquid. 





On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:







Hi Jennifer,
 Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous.If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and askabout Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. 
 Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this.I would say, even if you decide not to continue 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[trustinhim13]

And always use a syringe with a lot of liquid to the food. They will 
fight you, but anything you can get down is a plus. I used baby food 
mixed with non-flavored Pedialyte. Put her in her own room, on a bed 
away from the others. Go in every two hours to feed her some fluids.



On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM, katskat1 wrote:

Good info Margo.  You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating 
quickly
Jennifer and force feed if necessary.  Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at 
the
very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several 
different
types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and 
when.

 Good luck.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:


 Hi Jennifer,

My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .

 If you think about what a hangover feels like (or 
have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand 
how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her 
blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of 
whack?


  Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even 
minor

illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start 
even

before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.

   Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her 
going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's 
possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her 
kidneys,

and if an antibiotic could be tried.

I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was 
first
diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which 
we
brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 
97. I
did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved 
him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at 
that

time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You 
might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case 
he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally 
has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The 
truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of 
my

efforts.

 My advice would be to try to resolve the 
dehydration,

get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use
Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and 
quiet,

and love her.

All the best,

Margo



-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Ballew **
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org');
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

Hey all-


This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has 
never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only 
recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and 
only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems 
very
unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked 
her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were 
elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
related to
possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her 
home.

I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and 
that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while 
she was
alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if 
any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to 
pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. 
I'm
sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through the 
most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on 
to live
a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or 
information

I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks all,

Jennifer

--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
--Leo Buscaglia





 --

Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[trustinhim13]

That is good. You can offer Pedialyte with the water.


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jennifer Ballew wrote:

Well she is still drinking water for now, albeit not very much.  So I 
guess

that's something.

Jennifer
On Oct 9, 2013 6:07 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:


Good info Margo.  You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating
quickly Jennifer and force feed if necessary.  Keep Amoxcillan (sp) 
on hand

at the very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several
different types on hand with his/her help on determining which to 
start and

when.  Good luck.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:


 Hi Jennifer,

My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .

 If you think about what a hangover feels like (or 
have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you 
understand how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her 
blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of 
whack?


  Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even 
minor
illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and 
DMG,

probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start 
even

before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.

   Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her 
going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's 
possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her 
kidneys,

and if an antibiotic could be tried.

I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was
first diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, 
which
we brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down 
to 97.
I did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and 
moved him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at 
that
time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two 
antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You 
might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case 
he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also 
occasionally has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The 
truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of 
my

efforts.

 My advice would be to try to resolve the
dehydration, get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from 
the Vet
(I use Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her 
warm and

quiet, and love her.

All the best,

Margo



-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Ballew **
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

Hey all-


This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has 
never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only 
recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and 
only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems 
very
unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked 
her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were 
elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
related to
possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her 
home.

I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and 
that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while 
she was
alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering 
if any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to 
pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have 
left.  I'm
sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through 
the most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on 
to live
a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or 
information

I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks all,

Jennifer

--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
--Leo Buscaglia



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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[cerwin]

At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a
cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite.

Chris C.


From: Margo 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(





  Hi Jennifer,

 Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised 
that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, 
so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible 
to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q 
fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating 
again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take 
her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how 
to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. 
I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less 
stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. 
You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as 
well, so maybe you don't want to try. 

 Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and 
assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give 
to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to 
the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV 
fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow 
drop-off. 

 Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. 
She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least 
she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow.

  All the best,

  Margo

  -Original Message- 
  From: Jennifer Ballew 
  Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM 
  To: felvtalk 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(  



  They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward 
signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's going 
to be able to pull out of this.  :-(

  Jennifer

  On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she 
have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the 
cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and 
fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his 
back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a 
non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going 
strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the 
last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but 
cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your 
brain cells on high alert.

Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

Sent from my iPod

On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all-


 This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV 
positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never had 
any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started 
showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within the last 
few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small 
amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly.  I 
took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and 
said her kidney enzymes were elevated.  They also said they could hear a heart 
murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a 
B12 shot and I took her home.  I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't 
put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful 
procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for 
her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just 
wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect 
her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have 
left.  I'm sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through 
the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to 
live a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or information 
I would greatly appreciate it.

 Thanks all,

 Jennifer

 --
 To love is to risk not being loved in return.
 To hope is to risk pain.
 To try is to risk failure,
 But risk must be taken,
 Because the greatest hazard in life
 Is to risk nothing.
 --Leo Buscaglia
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[katskat1]

Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all.
Don't freak tho.  It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin
as the liquid drains from the IV bag.  It is just the water under the skin
and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts
surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference.
Please don't hesitate.  It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty
a chance.

Kat


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

   At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a
 cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite.

 Chris C.


  *From:* Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(






 Hi Jennifer,

Well, I think she will need some help. I am
 surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing
 something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is
 drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she
 must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined
 with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you
 don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and
 request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask
 about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally
 recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of
 you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask
 about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so
 maybe you don't want to try.

Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and
 assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to
 give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term
 care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY
 for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most
 Vets will allow drop-off.

Please help her by getting the dehydration
 resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or
 move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course
 you elect to follow.

 All the best,

 Margo

 -Original Message-
 From: Jennifer Ballew **
 Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM
 To: felvtalk **
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

 They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward
 signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's
 going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(

 Jennifer
 On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she
 have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the
 cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and
 fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his
 back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a
 non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and
 going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use
 up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple
 but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and
 your brain cells on high alert.

 Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey all-
 
 
  This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
 the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
 drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
 unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
 blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
 They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
 possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
 I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
 unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
 would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
 alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if any
 of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
 of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left.  I'm
 sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Jennifer Ballew]

Put Sasha down today.  I think it was time.  :-(
 On Oct 10, 2013 2:02 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all.
 Don't freak tho.  It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin
 as the liquid drains from the IV bag.  It is just the water under the skin
 and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts
 surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference.
 Please don't hesitate.  It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty
 a chance.

 Kat


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

   At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a
 cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite.

 Chris C.


  *From:* Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(






 Hi Jennifer,

Well, I think she will need some help. I am
 surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing
 something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is
 drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she
 must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined
 with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you
 don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and
 request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask
 about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally
 recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of
 you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask
 about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so
 maybe you don't want to try.

Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's
 and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time
 to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term
 care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY
 for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most
 Vets will allow drop-off.

Please help her by getting the dehydration
 resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or
 move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course
 you elect to follow.

 All the best,

 Margo

 -Original Message-
 From: Jennifer Ballew **
 Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM
 To: felvtalk **
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

 They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward
 signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's
 going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(

 Jennifer
 On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does
 she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking
 the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard
 and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on
 his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it
 was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat
 and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will
 use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off
 simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears
 open and your brain cells on high alert.

 Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey all-
 
 
  This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
 the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
 drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
 unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
 blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
 They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
 possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
 I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
 unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
 would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
 alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if any
 of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
 of this 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Katherine K.]

I am so sorry to hear about Sasha, Jennifer. May you find comfort and peace
knowing she had a good life thanks to you. I'm keeping you and your other
kitty in my thoughts.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Put Sasha down today.  I think it was time.  :-(
  On Oct 10, 2013 2:02 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all.
 Don't freak tho.  It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin
 as the liquid drains from the IV bag.  It is just the water under the skin
 and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts
 surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference.
 Please don't hesitate.  It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty
 a chance.

 Kat


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

   At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a
 cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite.

 Chris C.


  *From:* Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(






 Hi Jennifer,

Well, I think she will need some help. I am
 surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing
 something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is
 drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she
 must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined
 with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you
 don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and
 request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask
 about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally
 recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of
 you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask
 about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so
 maybe you don't want to try.

Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's
 and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time
 to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term
 care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY
 for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most
 Vets will allow drop-off.

Please help her by getting the dehydration
 resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or
 move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course
 you elect to follow.

 All the best,

 Margo

 -Original Message-
 From: Jennifer Ballew **
 Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM
 To: felvtalk **
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

 They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any
 outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if
 she's going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(

 Jennifer
 On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does
 she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking
 the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard
 and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on
 his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it
 was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat
 and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will
 use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off
 simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears
 open and your brain cells on high alert.

 Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey all-
 
 
  This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
 the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
 drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
 unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
 blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
 They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
 possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
 I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
 unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Margo]

wow.

-Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 10, 2013 4:17 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( 
Put Sasha down today. I think it was time. :-(
On Oct 10, 2013 2:02 PM, "katskat1" katsk...@gmail.com wrote:


Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all. Don't freak tho. It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin as the liquid drains from the IV bag. It is just the water under the skin and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference. Please don't hesitate. It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty a chance.

Kat

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:




At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a
cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite.

Chris C.





From: Margo 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(





Hi Jennifer,
 Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. 
 Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. 
 Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow.
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( 
They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-(
Jennifer
On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, "moonsister22" moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think "simple" first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert.Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.Sent from my iPodOn Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of