Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV or both. Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the people here were compassionate and kind. Keeping him in a cage was never a consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his pain and to help him feel better. So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general. I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago. I would never have even considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe. Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family. I'm not just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders do this. Successful breeders never make much money, either. They are successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to temperament never last long. So, let me be blunt: if you are for real and you are treating your cats this way, you should be ashamed of yourself. By the way, there are new puppy mill laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this law. Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors? Huge mistake. She needs to be sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus. If money is all you care about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them in. I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business. Sadly, I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Lorrie, I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this planet. Charles Adams From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote: I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this post thru rose colored glasses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
I have to believe that the message from Charles was someone's idea of a joke. That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him directly. I did suggest breed rescue. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I'm not about to apologize for having opinions voicing them. You breed animals you are going to get a lecture from me. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Beth, Not from me they won't. Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I expect he left the list after being attacked like that? Too bad, this list didn't used to be so judgmental. Not sure what has happened over the years. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat. *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it,
[Felvtalk] Felv immune glowing kittens
Very interesting stuff: http://m.npr.org/story/140550044?url=/2011/09/16/140550044/glowing-cats-against-aidssc=tw -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
Definitely try to get some LTCI. We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit longer. LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet. I was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection. The IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he didn't need and quickly wore him out. Tcyte can also slow the inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer. Many benefits with this stuff. Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the info you need. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone I really need some help. fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I do Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK? Thanks so much Marcia On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: Where do you guys get LTCI? the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the best place to get LTCI? hideyo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Unfortunately, acemannan is currently off the market. Carrington labs, the manufacturer, went out of business last year after struggling through bankruptcy for nearly a decade. So, unless you can find a vet with a stockpile, it's all gone. It's a great drug, with applications for humans as well as kitties - I hope someone buys their patent soon. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:16 AM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: Immunregulin or acemannan (if they still make it not sure). ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Are you able to vaccinate your other kitty and keep the new girl separated for a month or so? If so, I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't keep her. Just because she's potentially FeLV positive doesn't mean she isn't a wonderful kitty who deserves a chance at happiness just as much as a cat who tests negative. Your heart seems to have already led you in this direction and following your heart will serve you well. Best, Ben -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net wrote: I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
We get interferon through vetcentric.com. It's cheap - about $15 for a bottle, but the cold pack overnight shipping brings it up to about $60. I've got two bottles if anyone needs any... -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Any local pharmacy. Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them. So, we just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it. A bottle of the powder that makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50? There's a huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers. One of our vets charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear! How does your vet get human interferon? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: katofohio Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico? I buy the powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am co-founder of and maybe to her too. And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help save our furrbabies lives... Thanks Kat A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio katofo...@gmail.com On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico? The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to - very handy for them! All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they are ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats' certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same thing, even though we get 50% discount. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable. A week passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate treatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week and the week he took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where Dex had little treatment. Again, why the difficulty in getting anything done for Dex? East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke with him and started him on Acemannan injections. They had two remaining doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last year when he was first diagnosed. they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan. FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases, though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while we treated him. We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were swelling. Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up. When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded well with benadryl. That thing sneaking up on Dexter? Full blown cancer - it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had probably made his heart swell. His breathing was becoming more and more labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much pain to continue. Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as well as steroids. He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body temperature dropped to 94 degrees. His little body had given out as this terrible disease had taken almost everything from him. I say almost everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad, little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands on him and told him how much we love him. Dexter died at 8 this morning. We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us for a year and a half. He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty - we will miss him terribly. He was a huge part of our family - not some pet or animal. We have four other wonderful kitties at home who are not FelV or FIV positive. They have been wonderful as our attention has been so focused on Dex for the last month and we owe them some serious one on one time right now. While all of the kitties get along well, Dex was the one cat in the house that all the other cats adored. He was never involved in spats with any of them and they
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
Thanks so much, everyone. It's been a really hard day for us and I'm haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live. You've all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love that little boy. He was so special to us. If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, please just skip this one: Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia this morning. He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made. A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose. I assume this was fluid that had started to collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver? I don't know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a while there and that, perhaps, we put him through it. He had a chest X-ray on sunday night and no fluid was visible. Or, maybe it was missed. Sorry for the awkward question. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: My heart is breaking after reading your story! I'm truly sorry Dexter is gone, but he will live within your heart now. You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could. My thoughts are with you at this difficult time. Lynda - Original Message - From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us. Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the night. After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center. Dr. Wright has been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned. I took Dexter to see him on three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator injections, but was only able to see him that Monday. When we took Dex in on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his shot and usher us out the door. They are all very caring people and I don't blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days aren't wasted waiting for him to return. Fortunately, several weeks ago, when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before. East Dallas Animal Clinic is a wonderful place. We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr. Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking calls from concerned pet owners. They have both been wonderful to work with and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment. I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be returning. Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable. A week passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate treatments and off-label meds. When you factor in that week and the week he took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where Dex had little treatment. Again, why the difficulty in getting anything done for Dex? East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke with him and started him on Acemannan injections. They had two remaining doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last year when he was first diagnosed. they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan. FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases, though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while we treated him. We seemed to reverse
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats? -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and constructive research done on FeLV. In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to anything specific - just useless stuff! Cleveland asked him about a specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a blink of an eye. When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the whole thing up! BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died). Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying to find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor babies!! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help them to feel better or get well. One would think, that after all these years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease that makes it so complicated? So many different symptoms that mimic other thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure? I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Dear Cathy and Mark, I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, but I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a speck of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead. You're in my thoughts and prayers, Cindy - Original Message - From: ckess...@cox.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now Ben, I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. We lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write about it. You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions. We only had our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her short little life). She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours. She was so tired but she fought so hard for the five months we had her. She was the cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath. I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing together now with no pain. Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain. Cathy and Mark Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote: = I'd like to start off
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States. Why in the world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies. Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple. However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration and spoil. This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor. So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US. Heck, it's practically a cure for FiP as well! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
They most certainly can communicate and they do it all the time. Cats naturally don't communicate verbally with each other, so when your cat meows at you, he's trying to speak your language, so to speak. If that's not direct communication, I don't know what is... We have Dex at his vet clinic now... He's calmer and more relaxed. He's starting chemo immediately. Thanks everyone... On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote: So happy you are all together again! Oh...those poor unfortunate people who think animals can't communicate! Best of luck today. Sara --Original Mail-- From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:42:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement... We spent some time with Dex at the clinic last night and we told ourselves that Dex would tell us what to do; that he'd let us know, somehow, what he wanted. Dex has always been a fighter - he came to us under the hood of a car that had carried him, at only 4 weeks of age, across town, on highways and bumpy roads. He clung to the engine of that car and came out covered in dirt, but full of love. He's been with us since then (only a year and a half) and we have become so close to him. We were told he didn't have a chance last October when his red blood cell counts were at 3 and we discovered he was felv and fiv positive. He bounced back quickly from the blood transfusion and seemed to return to normal quickly. It's been tough for the last three weeks as we've tried immunoregulin, acemannan and lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator. He's been a trooper through it all and always has a sweet chirp and a purr. So, last night, his wagging tail and happiness at seeing us, combined with the relative calm he experienced when we were with him and the look of hope in his eyes told us we couldn't give up. So, I'm picking him up now and we are taking him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center to hopefully start some other treatment to pull him out of this. He's a beautiful boy and we owe him every chance to live happily. Thanks, everyone. On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think talking with a feline cancer group will be helpful. I couldn't tell you because I don't know a lot about lymphosarcoma. I'm sure the vets are telling you to let him go but you have to make the call and don't do it until you're sure so you won't regret it and wonder later on. I guess it depends on the success rate of doing chemo on lymphosarcoma at this stage. Maybe you should try to consult with a vet oncologist immediately about his chances. If the chemo could give him several more months is it worth it? If the chemo could give him another year is it worth it? Chemo can be rough but I'm in a dog cancer group and usually after a few days of being sick after the chemo treatments the dogs are okay until the next round. I'm not sure how it affects cats though. My dog was diagnosed a couple months ago with bone cancer and chemo wasn't an option but radiation was an option for just a few extra months with him. I asked myself those questions about how long would it give him and would the pain he would endure be worth it. It's different for me because my dog is old so I had to take that into consideration. Seems like I read in one of the e-mails that Dexter isn't that old. Anyway, I had a little time because my dog wasn't in pain so I talked with two different oncologist and they both said the same thing. Talking with an specialist made me feel better about my decision.One thing I have learned from the dog bone cancer group I'm in is that there are no wrong decisions. You do what you think is right for Dexter. You know Dexter better than any vet so it's your call and it won't be a wrong decision.Maureen “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: skastel...@cicresearch.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:55:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter Ben, my husband and I are praying that the best decision for Dex will become obvious to you, whatever that is. The most difficult decision is deciding that his quality of life...tubes, pills, anything out of the ordinary on a morre than temporary basis, would serve only those who will be left behind. God bless you and your family as you wrestle with this difficult decision. Dexterwe love you. Please..let your beloved Daddy look in your eyes and tell him what you need. Sara --Original Mail-- From: Ben
[Felvtalk] Dexter
We are having a hard time making a very tough decision for Dexter. In the past three days, Dex has suffered facial and paw swelling and has started having difficulty breathing. Today has been bad and he is now receiving oxygen at the Dallas emergency vet clinic. X-rays show that he has lymph node involvement in every area and his liver and spleen are enlarged and have move out of the proper body cavity. This puts him in, I think, stage 4 of lymphosarcoma. He is whimpering and obviously in pain. We don't want to give up and we are willing to do chemo for him. We want to do what's best for Dexter, but it is so hard to make that final decision. Is it time for his suffering to be over? Does he have a chance? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten - Update
My Dexter has been on interferon since October and the only effect I've ever noticed is that on the weeks he is on it, he is ever so slightly less energetic. I've never seen him act nauseated because of it. In Cali's situation, there are so many things that could be impacting her breathing and the nausea. Perhaps the smacking of the lips is an indication that she doesn't like the salty taste of the interferon? If possible, try to avoid getting it on her tongue and aim for the roof of her mouth or cheek. The interferon needs to get to her tonsils for absorption - either way, I'm sure she'll grow accustomed to taking it - Dexter has gotten to the point where he gets on the kitchen counter at the same time every day to take his dose - I think these kitties are able to put together that the bad tasting stuff makes them feel better. As far as the rapid breathing is concerned, Dexter is having that problem now, actually... It's more than likely him experiencing stress from being to the vet 4 times this week, but any stress can cause it. Cali needs a safe spot where she can stay cool and keep from allowing any stress in your house (loud noises, the other kitty) to scare her. She should calm down and begin breathing more easily once she is relaxed. We started Dex on the lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator yesterday. He's been taking immunoregulin for a week as well, though the doc recommended that we not give it to him yesterday as the iV injection was seriously stressing him. Today, I'm regretting not having given it to him as he is more lethargic than he has been all week and he looks as though he feels terrible. Dex had managed not to lose any weight during the last few weeks and had started showing signs that his red cell count was improving. Not the case today. He will be getting dose two of LTCI on Monday - I'm hoping he starts showing some better signs this weekend. On Jun 25, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: IF Interferon causes nausea, perhaps you could get some anti-nausea pills from the vet and crush into her food, something she would really like. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ckess...@cox.net Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten - Update Hi Everyone: I took Cali to Dr. Wright here in Dallas as Lakewood Vet Hospital. He is very compassionate and took a lot of time trying to explain what was going on. He agreed that it was highly unlikely that Sasha would get the virus since Cali had probably had the virus from birth and they have always been indoors. Sasha has been vaccinated and she also tested negative on Monday of this week. He is doing a IFA test to be sure of Cali's situation. He drew blood on Wednesday, but then his office called yesterday and said that I needed to bring Cali back in because the lab (or someone) messed up the test, and it had to be redone. So I still don't know the results. He wanted to start her on 1cc of Interferon Alpha 2B (1X a day for 7 days and then 1 time a week for thereafter). She ate really well yesterday all day long but is still really tired and basically wanted to eat, drink water, and sleep. Last night, before I started the Interferon, she started breathing with short, fast, breaths. She was still eating and drinking well, just seemed to be breathing more abruptly than normal. I went ahead and started her on the medication, but now this morning, she doesn't really want to eat and isn't drinking much water. She is still breathing kind of hard. I called the Vet and told them I wasn't going to bring her in to draw more blood today because she seemed nauseaed and she has been at a vet almost every day this week. They tell you not to stress a cat the is FeLV+ and then you need to take them to a stressful environment everyday. I don't understand. I told them they would have to draw the blood on Monday morning. I guess my question is, can the Interferon give them nausea? She hasn't thrown up, but she smacks her lips together, which I think is a sign that she has an upset stomach. The Vet said that I needed to be concerned about her not eating, but she was eating before I gave her the Interferon. It's just last night her breathing changed to quick short breaths, before I started the medication, so I don't know if that is something I should be more concerned about more than the not eating, or what. Too many things are changing, and I don't know what to do first. Please give me some input. Thanks, Cathy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___
[Felvtalk] Dexter
Hello, everyone... This is my first post to the list -- I just joined a few minutes ago. I'm writing in regards to my cat, Dexter. Dexter was diagnosed with FeLV and FIV this past October when he suffered a severe bout of life-threatening anemia. By the time we found a vet who had any idea what was going on with Dex (We had a slew of ridiculous diagnoses; including heartworm and herpes), he was in need of a blood transfusion. The transfusion (at a whopping $2200) and Acemannan treatment saved Dex's life and he bounced back within a matter of weeks. All has been great with Dex - he's been on Interferon Alpha 2B since and has been in seemingly great health. Until, that is, last week. After seeing Dex start to show minute signs of anemia again, a quick trip to the doctor confirmed that the infection was active and that Dex was heading back down the same path as last October. Since then, we've been racking our brains trying to figure out what to do for Dex. Our Doctor, Dr. Benjamin Wright at Lakewood Vet Center in Dallas, has been exceptional. He's been open to just about anything we can try to help Dex. As such, we started Dex on Immunoregulin this past Friday and Dex just had his second injection this morning. Unfortunately, Dex has seemed to go down hill in the last 24 hours. He was at a relative high point on Sunday, seemed very happy and lively, but as of yesterday and today, he is lethargic again and obviously not happy at all, while his breathing has also become more labored. Dr. Wright and I have been trying to contact the folks who make the T-Cell Immunomodulator drug, but can't seem to get a call back from them. Obviously, as I'm sure you all know, Carrington Labs, the makers of Acemannan, are officially out of business as well, so that doesn't seem to be an option. We also contacted the vet hospital that makes the Interferon Omega packet available and haven't had a response from them. Where do we go from here... Dex is only a year and a half old and is such a special cat. We just want to do everything we can to help him. We'd do another blood transfusion, but that's just too expensive at the moment. Thanks for reading, Ben ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
I have to agree - we give all of our kitties a supplement called kittievite - it's a malt paste with a good daily multivitamin included... They never want to just eat the stuff, so we smear a little on their haunches, and they go about cleaning themselves and getting their vitamins. Works like a charm and the effects are almost immediately noticeable in their luxuriously shiny coats! On the subject of vets in the Dallas area, we see Dr. Benjamin Wright at Lakewood Vet Clinic - he's great with felv cats and is always open to trying new things. He saved our Dexter last year, so I have nothing but awesome things to say about him. His office can be reached at 214.826.4800. Dr wright is ordering the T-cell treatment for Dexter - hoping to have it thursday. Ben On Jun 21, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Cathy - I forgot to mention that good veterinarians also believe in vitamin supplements. Our vet always gives any of our sick cats injectable vitamin supplements to help them get better, Vitamin B12, C etc. - ask your vet or future vet - it helps a lot! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ckess...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Kelley Saveika Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten Thanks Kelley, When we adopted Sasha, she had been tested and vaccinated when we adopted her. We had her tested again yesterday and she was still negative. I live in a two bedroom apartment, so it's really hard to keep them separated unless we adopt out Sasha. I don't really want to do that either. I have seen a post for a vet in Dallas at Lakewood Veterinary Hospital that seems to work with people with kittens who are FELV+. I guess I will look into him. Blood transfusions are so expensive though. There is so much to do and it seems like so little time. I appreciate your words of encouragement. Cathy Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: = Hi Cathy, I feel your pain - when my Missy was diagnosed with severe congenital heart disease, I thought I would die. But they all die of something, unfortunately, and I think the special health kitties are the most special in other ways. We have a wonderful lady on this list who volunteers in an FELV sanctuary. Maybe she can give you some advice. I would definitely change vets - we adopted out a double pos (FIV+ and FELV+) to a lady in Waco about 2 years ago and she is going strong. I would get a confirmatory IFA test. I would get my other cat tested and vaccinated. You may want to separate them. Some do and some don't. I would not put her to sleep because she may be carrying a virus that may make her sick someday. Even the feral cat people are getting away from PTS based on the result of a test. Love and light, Kelley On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, ckess...@cox.net wrote: I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always been little, but playful and happy until last week. They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who get it - die. Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself, so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and she is very healthy. The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength to put her to sleep. She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying. Cathy Kessel (858) 361-8972 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or
