Re: Testing the list...
James, I received your email. Debi H James G Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm testing the list because it's been too quiet of late. My apologies for the disruption earlier this week. Kindest regards. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.3partharmony.com (3PartHarmony Productions) http://www.myspace.com/wilsonjamesg (My Space Page) http://wx.3partharmony.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008
Heather, I am so sorry to hear about Hobbs. But as other people have said at least he was in a loving safe place for the time he was here and that counts so much for these kitties. I had 3 kittens that test positive when they were 6-8 wks old. Cutie Pie passed in Feb. she was a little over 1 1/2. I still have her two sisters and next month they will be 2 yrs old, and they are both healthy!!! Debi H. Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you everyone, for your kind thoughts. Hobbs was just over a year old, they were about 6 weeks old when we found them mid-April of 2007. I am wondering what others' experiences have been with kittens born with leukemia, and how long they have lived. Thank you all for your prayers for Sissy and Jann as well--they sure need them right now. Wishing peace to our sweet boy, I am so thankful that he did have the happy life unlimited love that he did. Heather - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Today is test day
Sue, I will be thinking of you and Buzz all day. I hope the retest comes back negative! Let us know. Debi H. Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, Today after work I will take Buzz to have his first re-test since he was diagnosed positive for FeLV. I am trying not to hope too much, but there is a bottle of champagne in the fridge if he turns out negative. Tuna for Buzz - I don't think he likes champagne. Meanwhile he has been released from his room and is socializing with the other cats. I did some of the things the people in this group recommended and that probably helped. All went well until a couple of days ago when some electricians came to our house. He really freaked! He hid for 8 hours after they were gone. His fear probably had something to do with the abuse he received as a kitten. Anyway, if anyone would care to say a prayer for my little kitty it sure would be appreciated. Sue - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Balance of puddy cats
I agree that you should call. Something is calling you to this boy and I agree
that the trip to Iowa would be way too much stress on him! You would never had
thought twice had it not been meant for you to get him.
Debi H.
Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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wondering if you can do it (again) but something is pulling you to this cat.
- Original Message -
From: Sally Davis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat?
I am really on the fence about this. On one hand I would like to think fate
is intervening. A felk near me. He was just neutered 1.5 yo needs a home. May
have a home in IOWA I am in VA. The person in IA cannot take until May but
deals with FELV cats. I have not talked to the owner or I should say caretaker
she is not able to keep the cat until then. Right now the cat is still at the
Vet clinic. i have only spoken with a siamese rescue person who got involved bc
it is siamese. They cannot house due to teh felk. I had a part Siamese cat 4
years ago and will always miss the funny boy named
Puttyrat See my email addy. I am just too tired to talk to this lady today. I
had a root canal started Friday and my mouth still hurts. Hard to be upbeat
when I am in pain. I think the cats will be taken care of, but I kinda would
like the Siamese boy.
Sally
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Re: OT: frustrated
I would have to take the kitten. Just offer to take it she will proably jump at the chance to get rid of it. Where are you? I am in Pennsylvania and would take the kitten if you are close. This poor baby watched it's mother die in that trunk and is still here. Apparently this baby wants to live. Please help it!!! If you are not close to me I would think that someone out there would be able to help. Debi H. Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is off topic, but I just had to jot this down at work since its consuming my thoughts. A lady that I work with has farm cats. Sadly, mama kitty and baby climbed into the car trunk when open, and they didnt see them when they closed it. Its been really hot and the two spent an entire day in the trunk. Mama kitty didnt make it, but amazingly the baby did. But now my co-worker (more annoyed by the smell than anything) isnt sure what to do with the baby. She tried to feed it, I think, but she doesnt know about kitty milk or anything like that. And she actually sounds as if shed rather just let it die. How horrifying. Ive been close to tears all day after she told me so regularly as if it were nothing more than a nuisance. I really want to go take this baby and help it, but 1) Im new hereits overstepping some boundaries, 2) the baby might not have made it through today anyway without food, and 3) I have 3 of my own cats, 2 fosters, and a husband who loves cats but is getting a little frustrated that I havent found homes for the foster cats yet. I know what the right thing to do is, but Im conflicted. More than anything Im angry at this lady (or saddened) by her lack of enthusiasm to help the poor baby. I cant stop thinking about this little kitty. Right now Im generally disgusted with people. - Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.
Re: OT: frustrated
Thank you, but this kitten has been through so much and really needs to get
away from this thing called a human being. People really do disgust me more
and more everyday. Hopefully she will be able to get this kitten and then we
can work out finding someone who would be willing to take it if we are too far
away.
Debi
HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that's very sweet of you, Debi. I have no idea where Melissa lives - I
live in NM and would take the kitten if Melissa lives close or we can somehow
arrange for the transpotation.
- Original Message -
From: Debi Holmes
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: OT: frustrated
I would have to take the kitten. Just offer to take it she will proably jump
at the chance to get rid of it. Where are you? I am in Pennsylvania and would
take the kitten if you are close. This poor baby watched it's mother die in
that trunk and is still here. Apparently this baby wants to live. Please help
it!!! If you are not close to me I would think that someone out there would be
able to help.
Debi H.
Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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off topic, but I just had to jot this down at work since it's consuming my
thoughts. A lady that I work with has farm cats. Sadly, mama kitty and baby
climbed into the car trunk when open, and they didn't see them when they
closed it. It's been really hot and the two spent an entire day in the trunk.
Mama kitty didn't make it, but amazingly the baby did. But now my co-worker
(more annoyed by the smell than anything) isn't sure what to do with the baby.
She tried to feed it, I think, but she doesn't know about kitty milk or
anything like that. And she actually sounds as if she'd rather just let it die.
How horrifying. I've been close to tears all day after she told me so
regularly as if it were nothing more than a nuisance.
I really want to go take this baby and help it, but 1) I'm new here-it's
overstepping some boundaries, 2) the baby might not have made it through today
anyway without food, and 3) I have 3 of my own cats, 2 fosters, and a husband
who loves cats but is getting a little frustrated that I haven't found homes
for the foster cats yet. I know what the right thing to do is, but I'm
conflicted. More than anything I'm angry at this lady (or saddened) by her lack
of enthusiasm to help the poor baby. I can't stop thinking about this little
kitty.
Right now I'm generally disgusted with people.
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Re: Pictures of Abandoned Kittens
OH MY GOSH!! They are all soo cute!!!
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kittens that were dumped over Memorial Day weekend (actually six but they had
run over one) the link is below.
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Re: Opinions Needed
Debbie,
I think it is a wonderful letter. And I would certainly hope that at least
one person would read it and maybe change the way they think. I totally agree
with you about people thinking everything is throw away!!! The part about the
neighbor and his daughters really freaked me out. The more I am in rescue the
more I dislike certain human beings. Anyway I would leave it just as it is.
And I think you and your husband are wonderful loving human beings for saving
the dog and the kitties!
Debi H in PA
Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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concerning the kittens we found dumped over the weekend. My husband is afraid
it will cause trouble if they print it with a name and town. What do you think?
Myself, I doubt anyone will really pay attention. I am curious to know what you
guys think.
Thanks for the input.
Debbie
Dear Editor,
On Sunday, May 27, Children's Home Bradford Rd., Greenville, someone pulled
into a path in a field, north, a little ways off of 127. My husband and I
were traveling to Lowe's and noticed this parked car and also kittens beside
it. We thought oh, they must be picking them up. We agreed we would
come
back the same route on the way home to make sure. Unfortunately, on the way
back, we saw the kittens were still there. We pulled over and got out. One
was lying squashed on the path, 2 snuggled up to the small lifeless body.
Whoever dumped them must have run over one. Three more came waddling up out
of the ditch. There were 6 total. We gathered the 5 left alive and placed
them in our van. My husband was kind enough that he even picked up the dead
baby kitten and placed it in a bag, later he buried it in our side yard. We
had our 2 Labradors with us - one which my husband had found dumped outside
Bradford around Christmas time. She was only 4-5 weeks old. The kittens
looked to be around 4-5 weeks old. We knew we could not just leave them
because they would never have survived on their own. We also knew that we
would not really be able to take on anymore because we have 14 rescued ones
already (7 were found in a trash dumpster outside a condo in Dayton). All
now spayed, neutered, shots, etc.
I called and left a message at the Darke County Humane Society telling them
the whole story. We decided if worse came to worse we would keep them until
they could be adopted out. Amazingly the Humane Society phoned the next day.
They agreed to take the abandoned babies in. My husband and I would like to
publicly thank them for that. We are so very grateful. The lady that picked
them up had a nice clean carrier and bedding for them.
As to the people who constantly abandon, abuse, etc.. animals. What is wrong
with you? What gives you the right to take away life of any kind? It always
amazes me that humans can be so cruel. Poor defenseless creatures left to
die, no food, no shelter, no one to love them. Would you do this to your
mother, your grandfather, your child? We seem to be becoming a throw away
society. If someone or something doesn't fit our idea of perfection or
if
taking care of them is an inconvenience - then we just dispose of it.
Life
to many, seems cheap. I recall I had a neighbor years ago that left his dog
have pups year after year. His 2 little girls would love on them and play
with them. Later the pups would disappear. I was told the father would take
them out and shoot them. Of course you couldn't prove it, just like you
couldn't prove that he also had his little girls drown kittens in their
swimming pool. Wonderful lessons to teach our children, isn't it? Just like
dumping 6 defenseless kittens in an area where there were no houses, no
people, or food.
How someone treats animals, in my opinion, is a reflection of how they treat
others. It's sad to say that many people do not show a respect for life. I
can only hope that the residents of Darke County will educate themselves and
their children as to what being a responsible pet owner means. If each
of
us puts forth at least a little effort (and monetary support) we can help
control the over population of cats and dogs and the unnecessary suffering
they often times endure. For all those dollars we spend on lottery tickets,
a pack of cigarettes, a six pack of beer, that new MP3 player, etc.surely we
can spend some on a LIFE. Please consider donating to the local Humane
Society or other animal welfare agencies.
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Re: question on test result
Thank you so much for sharing this. I wish more people felt this way!!! Debi H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My thoughts about FELV and euth'ing them just because of the test results are this: Isn't every moment in life a moment for a discovery, a moment to find joy, a moment to know what it is to be loved? Is it fair for us to take ANY of those moments away from any living thing just because they MIGHT later get sick and die? True, many FELV+ cats do eventually get sick and die or have to be put down, BUT, I think life is better measured by it's QUALITY rather than it's QUANTITY! Even short lives can be filled with happiness, love, and joy. Just because something is short-lived, doesn't mean it's not worth experiencing. EVERY life has a purpose, everything is here for a reason, and all the creatures that enter our lives are here to teach us something. I've said it before, and I will quote it again, from Moogie's memorial page: In Memory Of Moogie I can look back and know that even though she only lived just over a year, she had all of the good experiences any cat could have in a lifetime, she just did it a little faster than most. Sickly kitties give more love. I hope everyone opens their heart to a sickly kitty and gives it the best life possible. Sickly kitties need more love, more time, more attention, and more devotion, but they give it all back to you. Sickly kitties snuggle up under your covers at night because they have a hard time staying warm on their own. Sickly kitties trust you 100%, because sickly kitties know that you crawl on your hands and knees on the way to the toilet in the middle of the night just so you don't step on the sickly kitty stretched across the hall way floor that doesn't have enough energy (or desire) to move out of your way. Sickly kitties know that if suddenly their food begins to taste bad and they don't want to eat it any more, you will go to the grocery store and buy them a carton of light cream and some ham lunch meat. Sickly kitties know that sudden trips to the vet to get rehydrated because mom had to be at work for 8 hours and couldn't be home to force feed water 3 cc's at a time are the norm, and no work schedule is more important than rehydrating the sickly kitty. Sickly kitties know that even though they feel really bad, in a few days mom will make it all better again, and they can enjoy a few more weeks under the covers with mom at night, a few more weeks walking across mom's keyboard on the weekends. Sickly kitties know that mom never lies, mom never ignores them, and mom never puts them in second place. In the end, sickly kitties know that mom will be there and hold them and tell them everything is OK, and that it's OK to go to sleep, and as they close their eyes and let go, sickly kitties know that mom loves them, and always will, and mom knows the love is a mutual feeling. Sure, it hurts, but I get a lot in return for my efforts, it makes me feel good inside, and that's the best feeling in the world. I have no regrets. Life is a roller coaster of emotion, you might as well be in the front seat where the view is good, and the wind is in your face. From: http://ucat.us/Moogie/index.html (sorry for making everyone cry again) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: question on test result
Deana, I foster cats and I have had 2 test slightly positive and we always wait (though I guess they could not do that with the momma) a few weeks before we retest. On retested negative and one retested positive. And when they retest positive with the snap test we then always do the test that is sent out of the office. I am glad to hear that you are looking for another vet. Who is she to get mad because you were not having the kittens PTS Debi H. Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet office to pay the bill for the service provided on the stray mama that died from the dog inflicted injuries. The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she has never seen them) The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was slightly postive so she ran it again and it was More positive. Is there such thing as slightly positive or is it just yes or no? I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or exam was done before that. The most important item on the list was this test. We are looking for another vet. Deana - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: need advice from new member
Oh please do not put this kittens to sleep!! I would look into another vet. I have three 9 month old kitties that are positive and to date very healthy. I think you need to look for a cat savy vet. The testing done on the mom sounds suspcious to say the least. Deb H. Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and need some advice. We have a number of ferals in our neighborhood and there has been an effort to trap/spay-neuter as many as possible. I have been successful in turning two of them into great house cats. One was negative and vaccinated at 6 months of age. She is about 12 months now. The other kitty is several years old and was spayed, but as far as I know she wasnât tested. She lived on my patio for a year then decided to be a house cat. I havenât had her tested yet, but she is very healthy. I suspect she is a cat that ran off/got lost or was dumped. She is a Rag Doll and really doesnât act like a true feral. Another feral in the neighborhood had a little late last summer. Before I could capture these guys, one of the females got pregnant and delivered the litter of kittens on my patio. When the kittens were a day old, a neighborâs dog attacked the stray mother and got one of the kittens. The mother cat went up a tree, then took off. I tried to follow her, with no luck. I watched the kittens for about four hours, and she never returned. We got some kmr and feed the 4 remaining kittens, continuing to watch for her to return. She returned in the middle of the night on Sunday night in a rain storm, obviously in bad shape. I just happened to look out when I was up in the middle of the night bottle feeding the kittens. I took her to the vet as soon they opened yesterday morning, but she died from the injuries. The vet suggested testing her for FeLV. (with the comment that if the cat was positive, you wouldnât want to treat her any way.) The vet reported there was a negative test, then a second test was positive. The vet then suggested that all of the kittens be PTS immediately with the chance that they were positive. I havenât had cats much for the last 20 years, although I grew up with cats- all before FeLV was identified â so I am not familiar with it. Based on what I am reading, there are LOTS of questions about test results/vaccinating/etc. We are bottle feeding the kittens and they are growing like crazy, crawling all over the place and donât appear at all sick. They were only with their mother just under 24 hours. (born last Thursday.) Is this common to just give up on the babies without knowing if they are positive or not? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks Deana - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: pet-food recall info
I find it very hard to believe that they are going to keep this food that is making them no money in warehouses!!! Are they going to keep it there to kill the mice and rats?? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One not so great thing about my phone call to Pet Food Direct... The woman I talked to suggested I donate the food to a shelter or rescue. Of course I told her that that wasn't a good idea. I certainly wouldn't want some orphan cat or pup eating something that I wouldn't feed my own kids. I have wondered too where all the recalled food is going, (besides the possibility of it being sold as salvage food for poultry and stockyards). Even if it is dumped, what about the birds and wildlife that would find it? When I was watching the committee hearings that you and Belinda alerted us to, the question was asked and we were told that it was being warehoused. I find little comfort in the assurances of big business, but I wish someone had thought to ask and what happens to it when you are ready to clear those warehouses? Nina MaryChristine wrote: has anyone heard anything about a SAFE way to dispose of the bad food? so it doesn't end up being fed to, say, cattle and pigs and other food animals? On 5/4/07, * Nina* wrote: Wow, I'm shocked at the service at Pet Food Direct. I called them asking about returning the unused portion of Triumph food I purchased from them and they told me to write to them including the UPS code from each of the varieties I feel uncomfortable about using and they would refund my account. I don't even have to send back the unused portion of my order. Thought I'd let you know in case the companies you are dealing with are as accommodating. It truly never hurts to ask. I guess I won't be choking down cat food and crackers after all. Nina - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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Nina, You have it right! And yes my 3 are vaccinated. My personal cats are 13, 6 and 4. It all started with the 3 girls kittens I took in. I took them to foster until we could find a home or a sanctuary, but months went by and I could not bare to see them seperated and found that most people don't even want to take a look at them and they are just beautiful girls. They are just like other kittens/cats. I feed them the best quality food that I can afford and I always do them first for feeding and litterboxes as my fosters come in looking good and then whamo they have something. I have heard that if they make it through the first year then their chances of survival go up greatly. I do not know if this is true or not. I have thought about just fostering positive kitties but I am a little afraid of getting attached and losing them way to soon, because like you said nobody really wants them. Anyway I am hoping to hear alot of good things and to get information when I am in need. Thank you, Debi H Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Debi and welcome! Bless you for opening your home to felv kitties, (you're a brave woman to take so many in at one time). It's wonderful that you sought us out while everyone is healthy. I'm a little confused about your family line up. Let me see if I've got this straight... You have 6 permanent residents, 3 of whom are felv+ and 5 fosters, 2 of whom are felv+, is that right? Are your other 3 permanent residents vaccinated? How old are your personal neg cats? The very old, (or infirm) and the very young are more susceptible to contracting felv. There are many on the list that have mixed neg and pos kitties together for years without any of the negs becoming pos. Of course you can't take a chance like that with neg foster kitties. Have you considered only fostering felv+ cats for the rescue you work with? There are so few homes that would be willing to take these guys in and if you stopped fostering negs, you'd have less concerns for them and more room for pos. Just a suggestion from an advocate of our pos friends :-) . I'm sure you'll get lots of great advice and support from the list. Ask as many questions as you like, as you may already have noticed, we go ot quite a bit around here. It's a very warm and supportive community we share. I love these people. The general advice is to keep their environment as stress free as possible, feed the best food you can afford, supplement with immune boosters/modulators, and never take a wait-and-see approach to any sign of illness. These guys bounce back from illnesses just like any other cat, the difference is an illness that a neg cat might fight off by themselves has to be caught and aggressively treated sooner because of their compromised immune systems. I'm so glad you found us, Nina Debi Holmes wrote: Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and tell you a little about my situation. My name is Debi and I live in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. I am a foster mom for a cat rescue. I have 6 of my own cats and I currently have 5 foster cats. I also have 3 of my own FELV positive kitties and 2 other FELV positive kitties that I am fostering. My 3 girls Sunshine, Cutie Pie, and Chloe are all sisters that are about 9 months old, they live in my computer room, which is great for them because my daughter is in there alot, so they get my attention and hers. The 2 fosters that I have live in the room, I had initially built for my girls downstairs, and they are BooBoo who is about one and half years old, and then there is Thumbelina who is about 8 months old. The girls I have had since they were just 8 weeks old, BooBoo was living outside a nursing home and they called us to come and get him. Thumbelina was rescued from underneath a shed. All are super sweet except for Thumbelina she wants nothing to do with BooBoo or with me, she just hangs out up in the rafters of the room. Anyway these kitties will be my first experience with FELV positive kitties so I wanted to be in a group with other owners of FELV positive kitties. Thank you, Debi H. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Hello
Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and tell you a little about my situation. My name is Debi and I live in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. I am a foster mom for a cat rescue. I have 6 of my own cats and I currently have 5 foster cats. I also have 3 of my own FELV positive kitties and 2 other FELV positive kitties that I am fostering. My 3 girls Sunshine, Cutie Pie, and Chloe are all sisters that are about 9 months old, they live in my computer room, which is great for them because my daughter is in there alot, so they get my attention and hers. The 2 fosters that I have live in the room, I had initially built for my girls downstairs, and they are BooBoo who is about one and half years old, and then there is Thumbelina who is about 8 months old. The girls I have had since they were just 8 weeks old, BooBoo was living outside a nursing home and they called us to come and get him. Thumbelina was rescued from underneath a shed. All are super sweet except for Thumbelina she wants nothing to do with BooBoo or with me, she just hangs out up in the rafters of the room. Anyway these kitties will be my first experience with FELV positive kitties so I wanted to be in a group with other owners of FELV positive kitties. Thank you, Debi H. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
