Re: Has anyone heard of this new FELV drug - is it real or fake?
At 06:41 AM 4/8/2008, you wrote: I have heard about it and may use it will get more information if I can kelly Someone sent me this link: http://www.imulan.com/ and on one page of the web site it says, Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI) is an conditionally approved treatment aid* for cats infected with Feline Leukemia Virus (FeLV) and/ or Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV) and the associated symptoms of lymphopenia, opportunistic infection, anemia, granulocytopenia, and thrombocytopenia. LTCI is an immune regulating protein that is a potent regulator of lymphocyte and interleukin-2 production. Do any of y'all know if this is for real, or is it just a scam to take advantage of those of us willing to try anything to help our FELV+ cats? Neither of the Vets we take our cats to has heard of this new drug. The person who sent me the link has an FIV+ cat who is doing well, but never tried this new drug - just heard of it and pointed me at it. Any information you have - opinions, facts, speculation, any feedback - is very welcome. I'm trying to find a Vet who knows about it, and might prescribe it if it might strengthen PC's (Problem Child, Purring Cat) immune system. Thanks in advance for your help. Purrrs to you and yours, Andrew of Andrew Lizzie Texas Highway 36, Purrkins Diesel Cat, Little Fuzzy (Fuzz-Xena), Zoro, Zippy, Wellington, - and PC! (FELV+) - and Alpha, Beta, Tactical, Suzi-Q, - and Pinkie, and 4 mini-tigers and Tiger Tom (fosters) - in East Bernard, Texas USA You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.10/1367 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 7:10 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.10/1367 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 7:10 AM
Still here but very busy
I still have my Felv cat3 fiv and 40 others,, I will adopt out to good owners who DO declawand will never be intimidated but those who do not approve, but that is theri opinion Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
Re: Lovey
At 06:52 PM 9/19/2007, you wrote: Many things cause that...How are you treating the Lovey...,Fluids,,,of course,,,sounds like anemia what are the lab values..a must for disgnosis...need emergency treatment..please kelly Hi all, I know I have not been on here in a long time but I have an emergency. Lovey, the love of my life, who came all the way from Georgia, is very sick and may not survive the night. The vet says FIP, but I remember my mom saying the vets used to diagnos that wa too much. Lovey, won't eat, is having trouble breathing, is dehydrated and has diareha. Have any of you had these symptoms and it HASN'T been FIP? Please let me know asap. Thank you all in advance for your help. Janine Smith -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: 9/18/2007 11:53 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: 9/18/2007 11:53 AM
Olive
Megan It is always so heartbreaking isn't it...even when in our hearts we know we are doing the right thing...You have been so kind to put her needs ahead of your own,, Time ...and all of us that understand will be your friend Kelly
Re: Sylvester died at home this morning
At 06:11 AM 8/25/2007, you wrote: I am so very sorry.It hurts, but it is good to know he was well happy and very loved until her crossed Kelly My giant (well, he used to be) ol' farm cat died this morning at home. Sylvester came off a farm where I take care of a dwindling (thanks to TNR) cat colony. He got very sick about 2 years ago and I took him to the vet...of course it was more than being sick, he had FeLV+. So he came home with my other cats (I had few other positives then, after today down to two now and soon to be one-CW is anemic and fading, too). He was big when I got him, about 16 pounds despite being so ill. After many at the vets' and then living at home, he was up to 22 lbs! He stayed pretty healthy for about 1 year and 4 months (he was probably 7 when I got him). He always had a little cough the vets thought was asthma (and yes, we checked and re-checked this). But recently, he was not the same, more coughing, high fever, not eatingturns out his blood counts were all haywire. Low RBC, Low white count and low plateletsthe antibiotics for the fever made his tummy hurt, too. So at the vet yesterday I asked if it was time to let him go (he lost 2 lbs in a week), the vet didn't think so bec. of course, he perked up at the vets' and purred and pranced...He got a vitamin B12 shot and his very first steroid shot (yes, we discussed that steriods in a FeLV+ cat were a last resort). When we got home, he had a good night. He ate some, and hung out with me and the others (he had been stng under the bed except when I would drag him out for meds). He even played some and tried to squeeze into a tiny box like he used to. This morning I awoke to a few sounds of slight distresshe was sleeping under the bed again (actually, the cats tore the bottom fabric of the box springs and he would sleep inside the box springs). I reached down and touched him and told him I was there and then went to get a carrier to go to the vet. In the seconds it took for me to run downstairs and get the carrier and come back up, he was gone. I had to cut the rest of the fabric to get him since he would lay furtherst from the opening. I pulled him out and he was still, he looked very peaceful--no signs of struggle on him or under the bed. This is the very first cat I have had that died at home (and I have a cabinet full of cremated remains)...it was not terrible, but I did not plan it. Last night was so good for him, I guess he had only one last good night in him. He died with me nearby and in the place he felt safest, under the bed. I took him to the vets' so he can be cremated. I don't think he suffered but a few short seconds if that. I gave him permission several days ago to leave if he needed to, I guess he needed to go today. Although I will miss him, several of my other cats will not. He was a gentle giant, but a few of my smaller cats terrorized him if they got the chance. He never struck out first and usually retreated, but he was always a sweetie to people. Please think good thoughts for Sylvester. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM
Re: T-cyte.....?
At 01:09 PM 8/25/2007, you wrote: not stupid at all chronic renal failure as opposed to A.R.F (acute renal failure) Ok, stupid question, what does CRF stand for? Thanks! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: T-cyte.? Susan, Fred gets subqs daily for his CRF, I buy the fluids at my local Fred Meyer, a box of 12 for 38.00 way cheaper than the vet sells them (12.00 a bag), he gets 150cc a day. Most vets will write a prescription for you and have a tech show you how to do it. It isn't hard unless the cat is less than cooperative like Fred was to begin with, he would bite me. I had to use clothes pins on his scruff for about a week, he still tried to bite me but couldn't reach me so after a week he decided to just suffer through the torture his once loving mom was inflicting on him, he still hates it but knows he is getting and and realizes grouchingly it does make him feel better. he has been getting them for a year now. I also torture him by giving him pills 3 times a day he has grudgingly gotten used to the routine!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM
Susan and cats still looking for a home!!!
I am sure all of you now know of the fire that destroyed the home of Susan, who has always been of great help and support to all of usalways. Many of the cats are in others place,, i have 3 of the ferals here with me, but she is in a one bedroom apartment with about 10 cats and is trying desperately to find a house to rent.. Preferably in the Vallejo or Oakland area of the San Francisco bay She is comfortable going up to about 2,000 per month,,,has a great income and great rental history as she was in her other home for 6 years until the electrical fire that started in the basement destroyed the home. she does not have good internet access as yet so she has asked me to post and to give permission to cross post to anyone that might have a rental available for her,, her email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and her cell phone is (415) 238-8057 Please pass this on to everyone and anyone you may think of, thanks so much Kelly Lane
Re: New Diagnosis
At 11:08 AM 8/21/2007, you wrote: If it were me I would make sure the negative cats have their FELv vaccinations,,,2 of them and then allow them each others company,,, I have an FELV cat that hangs out with other cats,,Very hard to transmit to an adult,,,so give then negative kitties their vaccinations and all of us here will hellp woth your Felv pos baby Kelly www.kellyscats#zoomshare.com Hello Everyone, My name is Michael Roberts. I just received word a few hours ago about one of my babies being diagnosed, so bear with me if this takes me a while to get out. First of all, a bit of background information. I currently have three cats, all Siamese and all from rescues. The oldest, and the one with the FeLV diagnosis, is approximately 6-7 years old, and the other two are a little over two. The first one came from a local rescue shelter here in Tennessee called Angel Wings, which has since been shut down. The other two came from VA Siamese Rescue, an organization that my partner and I are still somewhat active in. We volunteer to transport on occasion and remain in the newsgroups/email lists. I took all three for their checkups today, and the vet asked if we watned them tested for FeLV, to which we agreed. The test on Grizzabella came back positive. The test on Penelope was negative, and they ran out of tests, so Poppy hasn't been tested yet. I did request them to retest Grizzabella (even though they charged me again), and the blood was drawn and sent out for Grizzabella's retest and Poppy's test today, and we should have results by tomorrow. Here's my issuethis is my first time dealing with FeLV, and I don't know what to do or what to expect. All three of those cats are our children, and I can't bear the thought of seperating them or giving Grizzabella up because she's sick, but I don't know how likely it is the other two will contract the disease, or how to seperate them. I'm not sure what to do about treatment, either. I've heard there's no treatment, then I've heard there's meds, and diet changes. I'm just not sure what my next step should be. I noticed there are six stages to the disease, and four different types...I don't have any of that inforomation yet. Can anyone give me a heads up and let me know where we should start with this? Not sure what I need to do, guys. I know lots of you have a lot of experience with this, and i'd be interested in any advice you can give. Thanks in advance. -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000437AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/963 - Release Date: 8/20/2007 5:44 PM
Re: New to group; Questions
At 07:08 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote: Very hard to catch, I once had a FELV pos cat theat we were unaware of who lived in close proximity with 14 other cats,not all vaccinated either,,non ever converted to poitive Kelly Good evening, all! I'm new to this group, and came here in hopes I could get some feedback/advice on multicat homes with pos and neg cats. Specifically, I currently have neg cats, and am looking to assist a FeLeuk kitty. We have a nice size home, and have a large spare room that can be easily converted for a FeLeuk cat to be isolated from my neg guys. My major concerns really are what types of precautions will need to be taken to protect the neg cats from contracting it, and protecting the pos cat from any issues as well. I have been doing some extensive reading, and aside from common sense things (dedicated food dish, litterbox, etc, using bleach solutions to sanitize), what else should I be aware of to protect the cats from eachother? Pardon my questions if they come across as silly, I just want the best for these guys and don't want to place any undue harm on anys cats, or commit to something I can't do. How long does the virus actually survive in the environment? Is there anything I should be doing when going between the FeLeuk room and my cats to prevent transmission (change clothes, etc)? If any of you have a set up like this, can you give me specifics on how you are making it work? How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit from an affected cat? I think this should cover my barrage of questions for now. Any feedback on what to do is greatly appreciated. Thanks, everyone! Melody No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/963 - Release Date: 8/20/2007 5:44 PM
Fire update
It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2 missing adults, Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan.. Kelly
Re: Fire update
At 02:18 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote: I live in an area with a well that will not support a sprinkler system so I use intumescent paint ,,,expensive but gives a bit of peace of mind,,Fire is always my big fear, fortunately all my cats have access to the outdoors, enclosure,,,but I live with that fear and so every fire protection thing I can do Kelly A thought to those who are building or remodeling: fire suppression sprinkler systems are available for very reasonable prices. Check it out. And don't be put off by jerks in the business . I have had approximately 6000 square feet (basement, house, garage and partial attic) done for well under $9000 and they traveled appx 120 miles one way to install and maintain the system. B and B out of Louisville Ky did my home and I got an equal or better quote from Bullitt. B B was able to do the ceiling/glycol system that included the garage (important for animals) and it is a property saving system (more head and not dependent on people/animals getting out of the structure). However, one jerk quoted me a system that, according to him, was the only one that met state requirements, cost appx $40,000.00. Several fire chiefs/assistant fire chiefs used B B and are extremely pleased with the coverage...and so are the insurance companies. All of this is to say, check it out. And check it out with more than one company if you get someone who is being a total jerk. It really may fit in your budget. It certainly makes me sleep a lot easier. The volunteer fire department here is totally wonderful and I support it 110 per cent but there is only so much you can do in a rural area. These systems are becoming more common in metro areas too. Mine is a new build and I could not bare the though of leaving my little ones here alone without protection I could provide. Take what you can use and leave the rest. As for the missing little ones, please try to calm yourself and send out wonderful, strong beams of light to them so them know where to come and be with you. They are confused as are you. And blessings to you and all of them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]laurieskatz To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Fire update blessings. I love that she is still trying to find them. Prayers and head butts to Susan and all her furries. - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]MaryChristine To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Fire update and lots and lots of paws On 8/11/07, Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2 missing adults, Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan.. Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 8/10/2007 3:50 PM
Re: Fire update
At 05:15 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote: It is called intumescent paint and it pretty fire proof, I ordered mine out of Canada,..you can have it tinted or use it as a base coat,,,I did much research,,,years,,,It is expensive, I did my kitchen on the inside,,,just google fireproof paint,, It is a start,, I will try to find where I got mine but it has ben about 2 years nowIt has to be put on so many millimeters thick to be effective..As I said I did the entire interior kitchen ,,lest someone start a kitchen fire which is mu big concern Kelly What is the paint situation??? I have never heard of this but, if I put out buildings up, it may be useful. I am very lucky here. The fire chief is a friend and able to tell me what size water line I had to put in etc. Don't even ask what it cost but it was well worth it. Please know I am 1/2 mile off the road and we won't go any further than that. I really hope people will explore their options. I traded granite counter tops and /// well you get the idea for safety and security items. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Fire update At 02:18 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote: I live in an area with a well that will not support a sprinkler system so I use intumescent paint ,,,expensive but gives a bit of peace of mind,,Fire is always my big fear, fortunately all my cats have access to the outdoors, enclosure,,,but I live with that fear and so every fire protection thing I can do Kelly A thought to those who are building or remodeling: fire suppression sprinkler systems are available for very reasonable prices. Check it out. And don't be put off by jerks in the business . I have had approximately 6000 square feet (basement, house, garage and partial attic) done for well under $9000 and they traveled appx 120 miles one way to install and maintain the system. B and B out of Louisville Ky did my home and I got an equal or better quote from Bullitt. B B was able to do the ceiling/glycol system that included the garage (important for animals) and it is a property saving system (more head and not dependent on people/animals getting out of the structure). However, one jerk quoted me a system that, according to him, was the only one that met state requirements, cost appx $40,000.00. Several fire chiefs/assistant fire chiefs used B B and are extremely pleased with the coverage...and so are the insurance companies. All of this is to say, check it out. And check it out with more than one company if you get someone who is being a total jerk. It really may fit in your budget. It certainly makes me sleep a lot easier. The volunteer fire department here is totally wonderful and I support it 110 per cent but there is only so much you can do in a rural area. These systems are becoming more common in metro areas too. Mine is a new build and I could not bare the though of leaving my little ones here alone without protection I could provide. Take what you can use and leave the rest. As for the missing little ones, please try to calm yourself and send out wonderful, strong beams of light to them so them know where to come and be with you. They are confused as are you. And blessings to you and all of them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]laurieskatz To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Fire update blessings. I love that she is still trying to find them. Prayers and head butts to Susan and all her furries. - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]MaryChristine To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Fire update and lots and lots of paws On 8/11/07, Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2 missing adults, Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan.. Kelly -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine
SUSAN AND FIRE CATS
Just wanted to pass on that Susan Hoffman has been able to capture all but 3 of the cats since her home burned down,,they are getting placed all over,,and right now her biggest need is a larger place to live in the bay area of California,,, Thanks for all the good thoughts and she says Thanks to all her email and cell are not in great shape no so I am communicating with her,,, Thanks for the god thoughts. Kelly Lane
FIRE!!!!!
So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as yet,,Susan's really big need is for fosters who can assist with adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,, If you can't reach her you can contact me also p.m. and I will reach her, thanks Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)
At 07:04 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote: I will speak for her and tell her thank so much..this morning early she was headed to check the traps for the remaining cats. I will keep all posted, Thanks again for helping.. Kelly Hi Kelly, just sent a $50 donation--wish it cd be more--to Susan via Paypal. It's wonderful to hear she's in good spirits. I missed all the email over the weekend but understood some of Susan's cats were missing. From your email below it seems not? Would be wonderful if they are indeed all safe--can you let me know when you have a moment. Thanks, Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?) At 11:51 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote: thank you Nina Her pay pal account is her email of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spoke with her this morning.. she is in surprisingly good spirits as like us her biggest condern was her cats and she had no lossesbelongings can all be replaces Thanks so much You are missed here Nina Kelly Kelly, I'm getting you guys on digest now and am having a hard time finding where you posted the paypal account to send donations for Susan and her kids to. Could you please repost it, with a link if possible? I've called a rescue-friend that lives in the Bay area and she said she will start networking to see what can be done to help. I just can't believe it, this truly is our worst nightmare come true for Susan and her charges. I'm sending prayers and soothing energy to help Susan and her cats rally and get through this. Susan is always so willing to pitch in and help those in need, I just know that she will be paid back 100 fold for all her kind deeds. Thank you for keeping us informed and please let Susan know we care. Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 8/5/2007 4:16 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 8/5/2007 4:16 PM
Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)
At 08:48 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote: they are in a varietyof places and in no danger so this will be the best way and her neighbors are also helping her Thanks for the suggestion though Hideyo Kelly Kelly - I am wodnering if she can get an access to a drop trap - it will be so much easier to trap possibly all of the cats altogether very quickly with it - - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: RE: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?) At 07:04 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote: I will speak for her and tell her thank so much..this morning early she was headed to check the traps for the remaining cats. I will keep all posted, Thanks again for helping.. Kelly Hi Kelly, just sent a $50 donation--wish it cd be more--to Susan via Paypal. It's wonderful to hear she's in good spirits. I missed all the email over the weekend but understood some of Susan's cats were missing. From your email below it seems not? Would be wonderful if they are indeed all safe--can you let me know when you have a moment. Thanks, Kerry M. -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:03 PM To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?) At 11:51 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote: thank you Nina Her pay pal account is her email of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spoke with her this morning.. she is in surprisingly good spirits as like us her biggest condern was her cats and she had no lossesbelongings can all be replaces Thanks so much You are missed here Nina Kelly Kelly, I'm getting you guys on digest now and am having a hard time finding where you posted the paypal account to send donations for Susan and her kids to. Could you please repost it, with a link if possible? I've called a rescue-friend that lives in the Bay area and she said she will start networking to see what can be done to help. I just can't believe it, this truly is our worst nightmare come true for Susan and her charges. I'm sending prayers and soothing energy to help Susan and her cats rally and get through this. Susan is always so willing to pitch in and help those in need, I just know that she will be paid back 100 fold for all her kind deeds. Thank you for keeping us informed and please let Susan know we care. Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 8/5/2007 4:16 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 8/5/2007 4:16 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.6/938 - Release Date: 8/5/2007 4:16 PM
Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!
At 10:00 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote: Yes she was getting them out of the house because of the fireno cats died,,but some are either hiding in the house or close by so now she is going over there with tuna and traps and carriers..It is so hard.. All of out worst nightmare kelly This is awful -- I did not understand the part you said only 7 or so accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the house and they are missing? - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful helper to ALL OF US This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so accounted for,,she is looking for them Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please contact he The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are 415 238-8057 and 415 830-0026 Her email is mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too many firghtened cats The fire was electrical,, Please cross post you can also contact me Kelly at 559 645-5050 or 559 978-1184 thanks No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM
Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!
At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote: I believe it started in the basement wiring and moves up We could not talk too much today but she will be online again tomorrow.. Kelly Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical - but do you know exactly how it happened? Was it from a dryer or something? How many cats does shw have in her apartment for adoption? - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! This is awful -- I did not understand the part you said only 7 or so accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the house and they are missing? - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful helper to ALL OF US This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so accounted for,,she is looking for them Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please contact he The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are 415 238-8057 and 415 830-0026 Her email is mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too many firghtened cats The fire was electrical,, Please cross post you can also contact me Kelly at 559 645-5050 or 559 978-1184 thanks No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM
Susan Hoffman
I just spoke to Susan...She id doing remarkably well and thanks everyone for all their help.. she is in a one bedroom for now with many many of her cats,, The thing she is in desperate need of are places for some of her fosters so they may be able to get adopted out,,, He personal cats are to be staying with her and I will be taking 3 of her outdoor ferals as my set up will work for that Her pay pal account is [EMAIL PROTECTED] of anyone might like to donate what they can,, she did lose everything,,but like us her priorities are he cat,,,someone gave her a bed,,, thanks so much to all boy are we animal people special or what The cell phone she is back on is 415 3288057 she should get a land line in a day or two Thanks so much everyone Kelly
Re: To Glenda Re: using the media for the fire/Leslie's miracle story
At 09:40 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote: susan is OK,,,Please do not involve the media for the reasons mentionedWe work under the wire..Thanks so much Kelly Wendy, I thought of that...I know in general, anyone with a lot of cats is considered wacky...I do know , however ,no matter what people think of the people involved, the kitties will get sympathy. I just was not sure if she could project herself as a shelter/rescue...It was just a thought to munch on...Thank you for bringing this point up...It is a very excellent/true observation...Glenda --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Glenda, The thing we may have to be careful of in this situation is the media. They might put Susan in her one bedroom apartment with all those cats on TV, and I don't know what the pet limit laws are in San Francisco, but I'm betting animal control will get involved. If the media only covered the fire and gave out Susan's contact info., that would be great, but I'm betting they'll want to know where the cats are now for the story, which probably wouldn't be good. The media, however, can be used for good in some situations. We had a member here, Leslie, back in October whose cats got carjacked in Washington state, if you can believe it! Thanks to the media (TV coverage), she got both her wonderful cats back in a matter of time, a couple of days or so. The thief left the car with the windows open in a retail area, and the cats got out. It is a miracle they weren't killed. One was found at a shelter and the other hanging around one of the stores, I believe. It's one of my all time favorite stories now. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 2:02:05 AM Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! How very sad. This is near where I was raised...so I can feel it very deeply. I have heard San Francisco has become very progressive in caring for it's homeless pet populations, as well as everything to do with controlling it's pet populations.Is anyone familiar with their policies, as I am always interested in learning the different secrets of success.I think Las Vegas, Nevada is another such place??? Anyway, it would seem, if this is the case ,with a fair amount of publicity to make people aware of this tragedy, there might be an out pouring of sympathy for these cats...I guess I am just being hopeful? I do, however have faith in my fellow Californians...I'm so sorry for everyone involved...Glenda --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote: I believe it started in the basement wiring and moves up We could not talk too much today but she will be online again tomorrow.. Kelly Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical - but do you know exactly how it happened? Was it from a dryer or something? How many cats does shw have in her apartment for adoption? - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! This is awful -- I did not understand the part you said only 7 or so accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the house and they are missing? - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful helper to ALL OF US This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so accounted for,,she is looking for them Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please contact he The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are 415 238-8057 and 415 830-0026 Her email is mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too many firghtened cats The fire was electrical,, Please cross post you can also contact me Kelly at 559 645-5050 or 559 978-1184 thanks No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM
Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)
At 11:51 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote: thank you Nina Her pay pal account is her email of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spoke with her this morning.. she is in surprisingly good spirits as like us her biggest condern was her cats and she had no lossesbelongings can all be replaces Thanks so much You are missed here Nina Kelly Kelly, I'm getting you guys on digest now and am having a hard time finding where you posted the paypal account to send donations for Susan and her kids to. Could you please repost it, with a link if possible? I've called a rescue-friend that lives in the Bay area and she said she will start networking to see what can be done to help. I just can't believe it, this truly is our worst nightmare come true for Susan and her charges. I'm sending prayers and soothing energy to help Susan and her cats rally and get through this. Susan is always so willing to pitch in and help those in need, I just know that she will be paid back 100 fold for all her kind deeds. Thank you for keeping us informed and please let Susan know we care. Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!
We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful helper to ALL OF US This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so accounted for,,she is looking for them Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please contact he The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are 415 238-8057 and 415 830-0026 Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too many firghtened cats The fire was electrical,, Please cross post you can also contact me Kelly at 559 645-5050 or 559 978-1184 thanks
RE: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!
At 05:35 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote: She is in the San Francisco bay area of California. Where is she--city, state?? Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 Cell: 914-720-6888 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful helper to ALL OF US This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so accounted for,,she is looking for them Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please contact he The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are 415 238-8057 and 415 830-0026 Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too many firghtened cats The fire was electrical,, Please cross post you can also contact me Kelly at 559 645-5050 or 559 978-1184 thanks -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM
Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!
At 06:14 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote: Where is Susan located Kelly? Bay area of california Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2007 6:54:03 PM Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful helper to ALL OF US This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so accounted for,,she is looking for them Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please contact he The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are 415 238-8057 and 415 830-0026 Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too many firghtened cats The fire was electrical,, Please cross post you can also contact me Kelly at 559 645-5050 or 559 978-1184 thanks Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM
Re: Monkee is gone
At 08:47 AM 7/16/2007, you wrote: Oh Caroline I am so truly sorry and i wish i had some magic words to help the pain..but Ido not soi can say that I understand you much you are hurting and if all of us here each take a little but of your pain,,,that may help a little bit. Time WILL be your friend,,and of course all of us here who feel like we are living aboard the Titanicjust waiting with no lifeboats available,,,but we have each other and we give our kitties the best of everything, We should always remember that unlike ourselves, They live in the present and for Monkee that present was full of love Kelly My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him with my Mom standing next to my side. At about 2:30 a.m. We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m. I thought he could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been to before for his passing. I didn't know he was that bad. I feel so bad. It was so horrible. He was having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by holding him and giving him flower essences. He had begun to have trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting enough oxygen (like walk around). I didn't want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I failed him. He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was happening. We were on my bed and I was holding him. He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped. When his body when limp, I felt like I might die too. I think the only thing that helped me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with her and we both took it right away. It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him. I think the rescue remedy helped my breathing at that time. I just held him afterwards and talked to him and pet him and kissed him for about two hours. I told him how wonderful he was and that I would never be the same without him. I walked around the house, sat with him on the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time to hold him while sitting on the front steps. I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it be my best friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's wrenching in half. I feel guilty and traumatized. I am having a hard time erasing the memories of his passing. When I close my eyes, I see his face as he took his last breath. I don't how to recover from that. I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in. I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and give them the peace and love that they so desperately need. I admire those of you who take care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the past and continue to keep doing the work that you do. My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of you and your babies. I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I will be praying for you now. I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the power of what love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you experience it. When I found him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago. And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't take his living it up in the killing fields- as I called it- anymore. It took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat. Something bad must have happened to him because he was already neutered when I found him, so he had to have belong to someone. He was deathly afraid of men and it took until probably about this past year for that fear to almost subside. I don't think anyone else in my life (other than myself) believed that he'd ever be trusting, cuddling, sweet, lfunny, love-bug that he was with me. The first time I turned on my radio and my tv after I had brought him into my life, he freaked out and hid under the bed for hours. After lots of love and being spoiled rotten, and having four years to experience as many things as possible, he had truly become my best friend. He would comfort me when something went horribly wrong in my life and the past 4 years have been pretty turbulent for me so he had a lot of comforting to do. He was what always cheered me up when I was at my lowest low and he was what kept going. He slept on my bed with me every night and even when I was just away for one night, I would miss him and miss having him there in the morning to wake up with. I am going to miss him so much. I also wanted to say Thank You for being such an instant support group
From Best Friends
Californias controversial mandatory spay/neuter bill went down in flames this week withdrawn just before it would have been voted down in the state senate. It will be back again next year, and Best Friends has some proposals as to how it should be re-framed. Thats because, by the time it got close to being voted on, the bill had so many amendments and exemptions (including anyone who wanted to have a litter of puppies!) that it was no longer serving its purpose. More than that, if youre going to have mandatory spay/neuter, then you also have to have low-cost easy-access spay/neuter for all the people who cant otherwise get their pets fixed. The bill is going to be reintroduced next year, and were offering to work closely with the authors to produce a bill that can really work and that can be a model for other states with similar good intentions. http://www.ne16.com/t/2950596/143412441/22217415/0/Read the press release and news story here.
Best Friends is dogmatic not dog friendly
I can no longer support Best Friends and their dogma... I have had several problems about having differing opinions on their forum and any disagreements...very polite ones are pulled off by the moderators,,, today I posted my disappointment at best Friends not supporting the Spay and neuter bill, I was polite but it was my opinionI specifically asked at the end for Marion not to pull the post Guess what she did pull it. Kelly lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
Re: Another vet's research re various treatments
At 07:36 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote: I am using immuno regulin and Alferon, ( natural interferon) I am not using the Acemamman. My felv kitty has been asymptomatic and these are basically prophylactic treatments, I do know the pred ( and I would probably use the prednisolone) doe help the rbs destruction, depending upon the cause. I used the I.R per protocol initially IV and am now doing .5cc IM q month like they are doing for the FELV cats in the FELV area at Best Friends. Best of Luck kelly  Offered as information This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts feel that it has not been shown to have any positive benefit for cats with FeLV. Examples: My hospital was involved in a nationwide testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was cancelled midway thru the trial because their own clinical staff said things were not looking positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't really any downside to it, but it will not help any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction. In the interim between posting my question and reading your reply, our little cat became acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan with this little peanut...Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Neither have been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: to Kelly L
At 07:24 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote: Hi, Kelly, could you forward me the study done by italian group on Alferon again? Someone needs it and I don't have a copy as I changed my email address.. thank you! Sure Hideyo, but please give me your email address as I cannot send it to the group as a pdf file,,,I won't go through. Kelly Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella
At 07:28 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote: I think it is sure worth a try, Cats tolerate pred so much better than dogs, and I use IR. I am sure you vet will give it IV which is the very best way, best of luck Kelly Hi. I have not seen much discussion about prednisone. This and doxy are what my vet is recommending. He is willing to also try IR. Isa has been more lethargic the past few days. Am taking her tomorrow for weight and temp check. She is still eating ~more like grazing. Any thoughts on the pred? Doxy? Her anemia is non-regenerative. Thanks Laurie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: Sylvester, double pos, goes to Best Friends!
At 07:35 AM 7/1/2007, you wrote: Yeah yeah yeah!!!He is going to the best of all possible places, Kelly Lane A local Austin double positive cat, Sylvester, left today for Best Friends Animal Sanctuary. The Best Friends community really pulled together to donate money for his trip. Here is his story! http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370 Well, I found out you cannot link directly to his story; however, it is at the top of this forum under Help Needed to Transport Sylvester to Kanab The next person who goes out to BF, please give me a report.:) One day I will go to BF, but finances are not allowing me atm. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - http://www.goodsearch.comwww.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: goodbye. MC ~ please read if you are still around
At 02:15 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote: For those of us belonging to many forums this is perhaps the most informative and the saddest with continual loses. All families argue..and the best thing we can do is to send our private discussions in a private email. that way our insults can be directed at the proper persons This a very informative knowledgeable group and so supportive,,, We are all different in many aspects. many call the powers of their god to help,, Me, an atheist do not do god,,or animal communicators. but the most important thing is WE ALL LOVE AND CARE FOR OUR FELINE FRIENDS ...we are all here for each other. this a good place Kelly I agree with Jane. I have been here a week or less and already rely on this group. My Isabella isn't doing so well and I need the help. MC you have been a great resource already. Please, can we put principles above personalities and focus on the felines we are here to help? Just a suggestion. I wish everyone the best, Laurie - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: goodbye. I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive cat. I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have the knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia. This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come here shell shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor statistics. My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been thrown on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the result of the information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express the grief and fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, and who would (hopefully) understand. It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and having to adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is helping cats, your time is not in vain. I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, very badly swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor appetite. I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an occasional sneeze and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on the bottom of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had been. For the first time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content. I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you. Jane (and a much improved MeMe) On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back. Love ya M.C. elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, othello On 7/1/07, ?fontfamily?param HelveticaMaryChristine?/fontfamily ?color?param ,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color wrote: enough. if you want to talk with me, you know where i am. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: ?color?param ,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
At 07:25 PM 6/30/2007, you wrote: When cats go on interferon the dosage is minuscule compared to what is given to people. Unless you are using the Feline Omega interferon. I use Alferon , the natural interferon and if you are interested I can email you the file, the alpha interferon is also given is very very small doses and works differently than is used with people, Kelly Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: IR issues
At 01:58 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote: Best Friends uses it I.M. as I now am... I used it I.V in the past, Kelly Just got my order of IR, and my vet just confirmed the dose. On their package it says to give once a week for 2 weeks, and then once a month for 20 months or until the IFA or ELISA comes back negative??? That is quite a claim. Anyway the tech said i could do IM as well as subQ. Any of you IR users have any comments on this??? Dede and KI When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: Please help - miscarriage
At 05:30 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote: It is an emergency as she could still have the placenta or another kiten there. the can give her oxytocin to increase contraction and expell what is still inside her. He may have a dead kitten in her and become infected rapidly Please goHideyo kelly Hi, one of my rescued kitties just have had miscarriage -- the vet told me to take her to the emergency if she has fever ---she has 104 fever, but she seems alert.. and I don't want to stress her by taking her to the emergency as I don't know what they can do for her anyway... if you have any experience, please let me know -- she is not bleeding anymore or does not have odor.. it's hot and breathing a bit fast.. Hideyo No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 6/14/2007 12:44 PM
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Cassandra I am so saddened by Kissa's crossing. Words just don't really ease thepain, but knowing you are among friends who understand and care. Kisa is no longer having pain or trouble breathing, she is free of all of that and she was so loved. Kelly
Re: CLS for Jet
At 08:52 PM 6/12/2007, you wrote: What a charmed life she lead with you and though much too soon what a peaceful journey across the bridge cuddled up with her family, I am so very sorry. Kelly My sweet black cat Jet just passed away just a few minutes ago June 12, 2007 She is the 5th of the 6 FeLV+ cats from Angel Wings... She has been here with me for 2 years.. She is probably about 5 years old... She has been healthy all the time she was here and enjoyed her life here with Marie and myself and all the other cats... She has been especially close to my feral cat who was just starting to tame when jet came here... Jet most often slept curled up next to me and that's where she was tonight when I felt those now all to familiar little muscle contractions that signals when life has left the body on this earth... I knew her time was coming about a month ago when she started acting like an older cat and slowed down sum but even tonight she was eating but she had been acting quite weak today and only an hour before she passed was the 1st time that she wasn't able to stand up and walk... I pulled her up close to me and she felt comfortable... We all will miss our Jet Cat... Tad and Marie. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM
Re: Please add Nookie to CLS
At 09:10 PM 6/12/2007, you wrote: She was at home and at peace. Now I hope you can find some of that peace. all my warmest wishes for you Kelly Nookie passed on saturday night. She was a feral we took in a year ago, and though she hide quite a bit she was finally coming out and hanging out near us. She curled up into the little hiding place we made for her under the stairs and passed away peacefully. Thank you for all the support Jeni Meer and Cree _ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM
Oh My A/C??
I will certainly not insult anyone intentionally. I think A.C is sort of like reading tea leaves,numerology,,astrology and religion, and also homeopathy. If it works for you,,go for it, To each his own. Everyone has their own comfort level. Everyone here cares about their cats and other peoples cats as well and that makes them all special in my book. We will surely disagree often, but we all care! Kelly the proud atheist. and more important. the person owned by many cats.
Re: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
At 12:25 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote: Wendy..spoken so very well. as I mentioned before, I may not believe but I respect everyone here. this is one the most supportive and informative groups I belong to, For those who remember last year and the recovery/return of the 2 FELV cats from the carjackingWe are here to support each other, perhaps Phaewrn was upset at me regarding my attitude on declawing stating euthanasia is never i viable alternative, We all suffer for and with our animals and this is a great bunch of people. If anyone has anything personal to say. Use a private email rather than post to the group. Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy to feel like I did before I got help. And I certainly don't wish it on you or anyone else on this list. I truly hope, and will pray, that you find some way to deal with these issues in your personal life that keep plaguing you. Life has so much to offer us. Sincerely, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 1:39 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 1:39 PM
Re: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
At 02:46 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote: If you noticed I just mentioned you and have been wonderingIt was my miracle story of last year, and regardless..for me it was the group getting together and doing something. Hugs to the babies and glad you are still here. Kelly ( we spoke on the phone) www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Hi guys, Too bad that when I pop my head back in the door, I see strife! For those of you who don't know me, I'm the one that had the two cat carjacked last fall. I'm also pretty straightlaced when it comes to the spiritual world - or at least across the board dubious - but dear Hideyo piped in about a visualization and Nina wrote about feeling connections and everyone that wrote about support and love and thoughts...well it helped 100%. More. And for those of you who don't know, my sweet Satchmo and Beatrix were found within 48 hours. Yes, it's impossible to run the experiment again and not to use visualization and positive thought to see if they could have been found anyway, but even if just in my frenzied head and heart, it helped immensely. Anyway, can someone please forward Wendy's message to Phaewryn's personal email? As she ducks out after releasing her thoughts, I don't know if she really understands the hurtful aftermath. I don't have any of her contact information, but I think that it would be a good idea. Thanks, here's hoping the sun is shining again the next time I unearth myself. ;) Leslie ps Bea and Satch are doing GREAT and keeping their paws full with the new canine addition to the family, Charlotte. From: wendy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy to
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
At 04:56 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: I did not even get in to that issue but it is an important one. Many many elderly persons bleet with a touch as theri skin is so thin. Mine is like that now and i never heal . I try to wark long sleeves but I am very scared up. If a person is a diabetic it is much worse as they infect so easily. they are all choices we make in this world and i would rather see a kitty declawed than allowed to live out doors. Kelly I have to support Kelly. I will go to any possible lengths to avoid declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and caregiver's best interest. There is laser technology available that takes most of the pain out of it surgery. I had my mother's cat declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, Mom bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding. Never mind the bruises. Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine stretching produces nails. Neither she nor the other cat seemed any worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if asked, would have given up the first digits to their fingers. I know I would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable. Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes when I have to do that. With a compromised immune system ... well, I just pray. She is wonderful about what she scratches and I have AC friends who talk to her when she forgets. Like most on this list, I have adjusted my taste in furniture and found that lacey throws on couches and other upholstered pieces stop a lot of damage. And there is no carpet in the house (the floors are taking a beating from the constant running and turning but that is ok). There will be no long, expensive drapes. Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile it is. I'm just throwing in my own thoughts. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
At 09:05 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: I agree if you are already looking for a cat, but when senior already has a cat they love and loves them and a serious health problem develops it may be the choice between death and declaw Kelly There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they would make great pets... Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!! If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just dying waiting to be adopted and already declawed... Tad Kelly L wrote: At 04:56 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote: I did not even get in to that issue but it is an important one. Many many elderly persons bleet with a touch as theri skin is so thin. Mine is like that now and i never heal . I try to wark long sleeves but I am very scared up. If a person is a diabetic it is much worse as they infect so easily. they are all choices we make in this world and i would rather see a kitty declawed than allowed to live out doors. Kelly I have to support Kelly. I will go to any possible lengths to avoid declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and caregiver's best interest. There is laser technology available that takes most of the pain out of it surgery. I had my mother's cat declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, Mom bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding. Never mind the bruises. Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine stretching produces nails. Neither she nor the other cat seemed any worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if asked, would have given up the first digits to their fingers. I know I would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable. Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes when I have to do that. With a compromised immune system ... well, I just pray. She is wonderful about what she scratches and I have AC friends who talk to her when she forgets. Like most on this list, I have adjusted my taste in furniture and found that lacey throws on couches and other upholstered pieces stop a lot of damage. And there is no carpet in the house (the floors are taking a beating from the constant running and turning but that is ok). There will be no long, expensive drapes. Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile it is. I'm just throwing in my own thoughts. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned. At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem
Re: PLEASE Pray for my Charity....
At 05:45 AM 6/9/2007, you wrote:
I wish I were there to take you,,,My heart is breaking with you, I
anyone able to come for you Even a vet tech a I assume they all know you.
Kelly
As most of you remember, Charity [feral mom dumped w/ babies] I
have a long controversial history.. [She got out of taped-up
box, so I had Timmy Thomas as bottle babies. ]
I was able to trap her, but she escaped while I was cleaning her
crate [post spaying thank heavens]. I decided not to re-trap her
since I had a special area for ALL the strays/ferals here. And,
also, she had me in ER so many times... Clearly, she disliked
humans, and after being tossed out like trash I couldn't blame
her. I believed she had been somebody's cat once upon a time
when she had babies, well, they DUMPED them (Education IS the
key. Spay/Neuter all your babies)
So, I believed as long as she always had food shelter [here], it
would be less stressful than trying to re-trap her. And, she had
her constant companion, Black Bart
However, life can change so fast...
I had my MVA, my room mate was NOT tending my stray/feral area
when I finally got home from hosp., o my way to Dr. I saw Charity
running across the very heavily traveled, busy road I live
on So, despite all my handicaps I made a promise right then
that I would tend to my stray/feral area... Even opened up the barn
so they could get indoors when weather turned bad..
So, I was very concerned about the cats I'd been tending to, but, I
managed to hobble out to barn area to feed water, put fresh
bedding out, etc. (And barn is W-A-Y back in yard, never a problem
before MVA, but after, well, it's very difficult for me to get
there) But, da_n it, I made a promise to these lost souls..
I was thrilled when I saw Charity Bart back in the area.. Made
me even more determined to get out there so they wouldn't wander
get killed on the road..
Which I did. But, the snow and ice this winter really made it even
more difficult.. But, despite my problems, I kept barn open,
re-insulated spots, etc. NOT EASY, but I somehow managed to get it done.
After all, I made a promise
So, one snowy night early Feb.. while I was out walking my Rottie,
[Lady]Bug, who's bigger than me no less, lo behold, guess who
stalks me out? Miss Charity Now mind you, Bug is deaf,
I'm almost blind [great combination, huh?]... I heard this
pitiful plea, couldn't see who it was, but Bug, who lives loves
all my furbabies, saw her {Charity}, went totally ballistic -
strange cat in her territory... When I finally realized it was
Charity, I was mortified to say the leastJust imagine the
thoughts running thru my head - me falling, Bug getting off leash
Charity's demise...ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC, that's putting it mildly..
Somehow I managed to get Bug back into house. But sweet Charity
was on a mission... She NEVER gave up, and actually came
waited for me on back porch - something she never did! So,
when I went back out, w/ a carrier no less, I decided the time was
right.. But, not having any strength on my right arm, it was a
disaster, to say the least.Neither of us would give up..And,
she insisted I hobble on the snow/ice out to barn! She was
patient w/ me, but a tad irritated.. She knew what she had to do
So, we finally get out to barn, where I thanked the lord I had my
recliner [Boy, did I ever need that!!!]
Lo behold My Bart was there! And obviously in VERY poor shape!
And, this mean 'ole intact feral came right up to me, rubbing my
legs! I was shocked! He had never approached me prior,
always ran off when he caught a mere glance, and now he was almost
a love muffin. Something was off. Big time
He looked very ill - skinny, bloated in abdomen, you name it,
Iactually though e was another stray/feral - until I saw his
shrunkenequipment...Then I just knew it was our
Bart. So, I set him up, made an emergency appt. deep down
inside, my heart was broken..
While waiting the 2 days for appt., , he ate very well, turned into
a love-muffin, I kind of got my hopes up...BIG MISTAKE!!
At my vet, Dr. V. started to drain fluid, I finally asked him to stop.
Also, Bart was pale white, all over almost NOT a good sign.
He was also mostly blind.. Among numerous other things
NO WAY TO EXIST.
So, I made the dreaded decision.Very, very hard. but thought
Bart would NOT have the [or any] quality of life. [And, he was
an old man.]
Ok, now to Charity.We DID have a vet. appt.soon after, but I had
to cancel because three was NO way to get her in carrierWane a
compete exam, including BW, but never got there. And, she was
doing so well. My primary concern was Puma, I must admit...
Now get this. Thurs. PM she wouldn't
Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye just about I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved, the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years. Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat parents they are. Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort, I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by one or the other care giver. and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red. Kelly Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a bit of a lunatic. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/840 - Release Date: 6/8/2007 3:15 PM
Re: Sasquatch Please add to the CLS :(
At 06:36 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote: I am so sorry Sasquatch had to leave, but so glad he was surrounded with those that loved him. I am so sorry Kelly This sweet gray handsome boy will be missed by all the volunteers at Sids.Dr. Jen had to let him go with dignity today.Thank you all for being here. Sherry Be a better Heartthrob. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48255/*http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/_ylc=X3oDMTI5MGx2aThyBF9TAzIxMTU1MDAzNTIEX3MDMzk2NTQ1MTAzBHNlYwNCQUJwaWxsYXJfTklfMzYwBHNsawNQcm9kdWN0X3F1ZXN0aW9uX3BhZ2U-?link=listsid=396545433Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM
Re: How is Miss Kisa doing today?
At 07:03 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: You are doing a wonderful job. Take a breath and do something for yourself, Even if Kissa is sitting on your lab while you do it, so glad her breathing is improved..so very glad. Kelly Thank you. Kisa is improving, slowly but steadily. She still hides under the bed all day, but her breathing has slowed down to pretty much normal while resting. Her gums are pale, but they don't look yellow anymore. Finally, she is bathing herself again, and cleaning up all that stained fur. She is eating fairly decently. I've got her eating liver, a raw chicken puree, and a bit of canned food. She still prefers to lick it off the back of a spoon, but will nibble a bit off a plate as well now. She only seems to eat when we feed her though, the food doesn't get touched when we just leave it with her. Kisa is still very weak. When I bring her into bed with us, she'll sometimes try jumping into the window and not make it. Hopefully her strength will return if she can build up her red blood cells again. I'm not sure if she still has the liver problem and the Dexamethasone is just making her feel well enough to eat, or if somehow the problem is clearing up. Time will tell. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: How is Miss Kisa doing today? Hey Cassandra, Just wondering how Kisa is doing today? I hope she is stronger and fighting the hemo really well. Best wishes to her and prayers still going out for you both. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM
Re: outdoor enclosures
At 08:41 AM 6/3/2007, you wrote: If you are interested you can see the one I had built ,,,it is on some of the pictures at my sight. It is large built have a large amount of cats, but I had a smaller one like this when I lived in town. www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com I hired fence people to do it the way I wanted it. In retrospect I could have used other wire for the top as chain link is heavy. Also the standard size chain link is not suitable for kittens and would need something smaller. Kelly I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/829 - Release Date: 6/2/2007 5:26 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/829 - Release Date: 6/2/2007 5:26 PM
Re: Thorne Immmugen
At 08:08 AM 6/2/2007, you wrote: I use naturan interferon...immuno regulin but stay away fro herbal and other holistic drugs as there is no control or studies to back up claims and some can cause problems. Kelly Hi Folks, Do any of you currently use Thorne Immugen for your FeLV+ kitties and, if so, have you noticed any improvement as a result? My FeLV+ guy Shane is having a recurrence of ocular herpes and is being treated for a corneal ulcer. He is already on Interferon Alpha (7 days on/7 days off), lysine and DMG. I'm just wondering if Immugen might be a useful addition. Thanks for your help! Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: Thorne Immmugen
At 08:08 AM 6/2/2007, you wrote: They use Immuno Regulin at BEST FIRENDS on theru FELV cats and have many old kitties. They use 0.25 cc (1/4 cc) each month I.M.) It is not expensive and I use it alsoit is best given I.V. so I take Max to the vet for his I. V dose once a month Kelly Hi Folks, Do any of you currently use Thorne Immugen for your FeLV+ kitties and, if so, have you noticed any improvement as a result? My FeLV+ guy Shane is having a recurrence of ocular herpes and is being treated for a corneal ulcer. He is already on Interferon Alpha (7 days on/7 days off), lysine and DMG. I'm just wondering if Immugen might be a useful addition. Thanks for your help! Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: Hideyo got her missing cat Maddie!
At 10:00 AM 6/2/2007, you wrote: Has she ever been transfused?? everything sounds like the anemia. So common with our FELV friends. The transfusion if she can tolerate give great instant but temporary improvement, If she is anemic all the other treatments take time and meanwhile her little body is not getting the oxygen she needs because of lack of red blood cells, What is the Drontal for. Kelly Congrats Hideyo! Sounds like Maddie really made you work hard to catch her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Nina To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Hideyo got her missing cat Maddie! Some of you good folks might remember that Hideyo has been searching for an adopted kitty that went missing the very first night she was in her new home. Well last night, (actually, this morning at 3:30am), Hideyo was able to trap Maddie using a drop trap! All of you who know Hideyo can imagine the tireless effort that has gone into this rescue effort and I'm so pleased to report that it has paid off with Maddie's safe return from her adventure. Food had been placed in the yard of the house where she escaped from and a couple of the neighbors had been reporting sightings. Regular traps weren't working, so Hideyo had a drop trap made and camped out for a couple nights until she got her! Marissa, I hope you're reading this, have heart my dear and keep trying to find Georgia. Here's the paste of the message Hideyo wanted me to convey to the list: Nina, could you also let everyone on FELK list know that I was able to bring Maddie home..-- mainly so that people won't easily give up if they lose theirs -- 5 five weeks later, I was able to reunite with Maddie.. and I want people not to give up easily if they really want to find theirs -- I also know of a really really good AC besides Carol [Carol Robinson http://www.animal-conversations.com/index.htmlhttp://www.animal-conversations.com/index.html ] -- I love Carol.. but I also love Annette Betcher [ http://www.seanet.com/%7Eangelb/http://www.seanet.com/~angelb/ ] -- I just love her personality, and I think you should try her and Carol (or anyone else for that matter) if there is any need in the future!! Hideyo -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Kissa
At 10:00 AM 6/2/2007, you wrote: Has she ever been transfused?? everything sounds like the anemia. So common with our FELV friends. The transfusion if she can tolerate give great instant but temporary improvement, If she is anemic all the other treatments take time and meanwhile her little body is not getting the oxygen she needs because of lack of red blood cells, What is the Drontal for. Kelly Congrats Hideyo! Sounds like Maddie really made you work hard to catch her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Nina To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Hideyo got her missing cat Maddie! Some of you good folks might remember that Hideyo has been searching for an adopted kitty that went missing the very first night she was in her new home. Well last night, (actually, this morning at 3:30am), Hideyo was able to trap Maddie using a drop trap! All of you who know Hideyo can imagine the tireless effort that has gone into this rescue effort and I'm so pleased to report that it has paid off with Maddie's safe return from her adventure. Food had been placed in the yard of the house where she escaped from and a couple of the neighbors had been reporting sightings. Regular traps weren't working, so Hideyo had a drop trap made and camped out for a couple nights until she got her! Marissa, I hope you're reading this, have heart my dear and keep trying to find Georgia. Here's the paste of the message Hideyo wanted me to convey to the list: Nina, could you also let everyone on FELK list know that I was able to bring Maddie home..-- mainly so that people won't easily give up if they lose theirs -- 5 five weeks later, I was able to reunite with Maddie.. and I want people not to give up easily if they really want to find theirs -- I also know of a really really good AC besides Carol [Carol Robinson http://www.animal-conversations.com/index.htmlhttp://www.animal-conversations.com/index.html ] -- I love Carol.. but I also love Annette Betcher [ http://www.seanet.com/%7Eangelb/http://www.seanet.com/~angelb/ ] -- I just love her personality, and I think you should try her and Carol (or anyone else for that matter) if there is any need in the future!! Hideyo -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
sorry for the wrong reply
sorry guys, I was replying to cassandra about Kissa rather than Hideyo Bt the way. Please pass on to Hideyo that is is absolutely wonderful news and I bet she will be sleeping better!! Kelly
depressing!!.
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Re: Update on Kisa
At 06:42 PM 6/1/2007, you wrote: Alot depends upon her kidney function and her respiratory status. On a healthy 10 lb cat 2-300 cc per day is fine, but if her organs are not working properly it could cause a fluidover load and even make it harder for her to breathe. Id she peeing,,,you need to compare what goes in with what goes out, do you know how to express her bladder if you need to, he kidneys do need to be working. I would feel comfortable with 100, but I would sure call the vet and ask as they know he lab values and heart and lung status,, Make sure he body temp does not drop either Have you checked her temp,,,? Thanks for the update and I am sending many good thoughts. it is so very very hard when we love them so much. Kelly A small update on Kisa. I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the heavy breathing. She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering taking her in to the vet for euthanasia. I asked her if I should, and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision. Well, now she actually looks a little bit better. She's very weak, but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth. It could be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference. And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a spoon. This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food. I couldn't believe she actually ate. She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited today. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive thing that has happened for her in two weeks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days. If she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in order to do so. I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at least. Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a day? I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all soaked in from under the skin at the back of her neck. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.5/826 - Release Date: 5/31/2007 4:51 PM
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
At 03:40 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote: They never even asked. Just gave me 3 refills of Augmentin,,as I have done this and they know I did rescue. it was not a stray...I have several cats with rabies cert. that do get blamed frequently LOLperoxide does not help if it becomed infected with pasturella bact...Augmentin is treatment of choice My arm is good,,cat is good and snake is fime!! I hope someone has told you NOT to blame this on a stray. Blame it on the cat you have the updated rabies on. As long as you have the updated rabies it should be ok. (even if that's not the cat who bit you!) t Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't tell them everything...maybe that you were reaching for a cat in an alley or something like that. Try not to implicate any of your cats because most hospitals have to report it and most insurances will question your claims. I know my health insurance called to see who the cat belonged to etc. She quite literally was a feral with no owner and no known hang out. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote: the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats are all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and still bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I only have enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will probably head to the doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for a rabies certificate from one of my cats first, they do not go free so i am not worried, but do not want snoops around here, Kelly Poor little scared guy! How's your hand/arm? Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote: Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM
Re: Kissa
At 02:14 PM 5/31/2007, you wrote: Cassandra, as hard as it is you have the power to end your babys suffering. When they are in respiratory distress they are suffering, they can't be comfortable,,,just try breathing though a very thick piece of material your self and get an idea of how it might feel, I had to do it twice the past 6 months with cats I dearly loved, i fought long and hard but when they were suffering and there was no real hope it was time to be strong and show them that I would take the pain for them. \we are all with you Klelly Thanks, I think Kisa is mainly in God's hands right now, but the waiting is so hard. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Kissa Cassandra I cannot imagine how tired and stressed you must be. I wonder if the sudden loss of her 'housemates' has been an assault on Kissa's immunity. She is on her own path and you are doing everything you can to support her. She will let you know. Take care of yourself. Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM
RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
At 07:41 AM 5/30/2007, you wrote: Best Friends does wonderful things!!! Marion said she had attended meetings there. many people have left the forum because of Marion. I have their letters... Kelly Yes, I agree now. I was concerned last night, but now that I think about it, one person in such a large organization as BF certainly does not represent the whole; although, I think they should do their best to obtain moderators who espouse their beliefs, but it doesn't always work that way! Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* This is a good point I wouldn't abandon BF just because of some moderator's comments. Altho Marion Hale has been there a LONG time. I don't know about Gina, but Marion has been there at LEAST 10 years. And NEVER been to the sanctuary! I think to be a moderator that should be mandatory! Kelley Saveika wrote: On 5/29/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, now I'm quite frightened about Best Friends. I'm going to write to my contact there about this. Melissa Melissa, I understand your fear, but I *personally* would not be concerned. That forum is on the Best Friends Network, which is provided by them as a service and is not their official stance on anything. There is a disclaimer - Content is posted freely by website members and may or may not reflect the opinions, goals, or mission of BFAS. It is largely volunteer run (I know the volunteer who edits the Texas community) and there may be a rogue moderator. Certainly I don't think it has a thing to do with how they take care of their animals. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM
Re: Update on Kisa
At 12:13 PM 5/30/2007, you wrote: ask about anzamet and Zofran ...even compaziner for vomiting??  The thing is with the vomiting though, I don't think its just because i'm feeding her. For the last week, she's been vomiting consistently before I ever feed her. When the vomiting first started suddenly, she vomited several times a day with a completely empty stomach for about 3 days. We then started syringe feeding her, and as soon as we brought her out from her hiding spot, she would vomitthen we would syringe her the food. So yesterday, she vomited after syringing her the food, so I probably gave too much to start. I took her to the vet today, to get the tube put back in, and she got a shot of metachlopramide. Now the problem is, they didn't give me any more of the metachlopramide because they said its a drug filtered by the liver, and if her liver isn't functioning properly, too much of that will cause a problem. They just said to feed her about 12cc followed by 4cc water3 times a day.to see if she would keep that down. I mentioned that I didn't know how i'd be able to get enough calories into her with that small amount, but they just said to see how it goes. What a pain in the butt, because i'm fairly certain that even if I feed her such a tiny amount, i'm betting she's still going to vomit here at some point...possibly vomiting out that tube again. If she vomits again today, i'll have to get more of the metachlopramide even if its going to cause a problem with her liver. This seems to be a no win situation here. Plus, she's definately not feeling very well. All she wants to do is hide, and then lay in one spot all day. I wouldn't doubt it if she's depressed after all this. I notice her breathing seems fast also. I took her to bed with me last night, because she seems to enjoy that, and she did purr for awhile. The problem was, she was peeing about every 3 hours (probably from being on the IV for 2 days), and she was doing it in bed. I put plastic and towels under her, but she missed them once and I had to rip the bed apart in the middle of the night before it soaked too deep. She is too lethargic to get up for anything, unless its running to hide somewhere. All I can do is pray for a miracle, that somehow she will be able to pull through this mess since everything seems to be going wrong. Even my vet, who seems pretty good so far is gone now for a few weeks, so i'll have to deal with a different vet that doesn't know what's been going on so far. I was liking this vet, because he wasn't all doom and gloom like the last 2 vets i've dealt with. If he had the opinion that Kisa didn't have much of a chance, he kept it to himself, and was willing to try whatever I wanted. The last 2 vets i've had were always wanting to make it quite clear that she didn't have a chance and it wasn't worth spending too much on her. I don't see any reason why a vet has to make sure that you have no hope, hope is the only thing that keeps me functioning. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Belinda To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Cassandra, I've had 3 cats with feeding tube (e-tube in the esphogus) and never had a problem with vomiting with any of them unless I was going too fast or giving meds on an empty tummy, once I figured out what I was doing wrong it was no longer an issue. All of my feeding tube experiences as far as the feeding themselves went beautifully. Fred did have an infection problem at the entry site that we couldn't get rid of because the vets wouldn't leave him on the antibiotics long enough. But his feedings went great and he gained back most of the weight he had lost, he never vomited once even with is infection problem. There are several reasons a cat will vomit when getting fed through a feeding tube, getting fed too fast, getting too much food at once, when a cat hasn't eaten for as long as Kisa hasn't you have to go slowly and build up to a bigger amount. What I mean is, she needs to be fed 10 to 20 cc's every hour or two, for the first day, then maybe 15 to 25 every couple of hours then next day, and unfortunetly you aren't going to find many, if any vets willing to devote that kind of time to one animal so it would probably be better if she were home if you can devote that kind of time to her care. Other reasons include the tube not being placed correctly, with an e-tube there is a specific area the tube should be, not higher not lower or it will cause nausea in some cats. It should NOT enter the stomach, it should be between the 7th and 9th rib, this is easily verifiable with an xray. An nasel gastric tube is uncomfortable and only ever should be used in emergencies, which Kisa is at this time, think about it a
Re: Update on Kisa
I am surprised she is not on Regaln already...( that is the drug you mentioned) safe and effective,,it aids in emptying the stomach and increasins peristalsis ,,so they do not vomit, ask for injectable!! thanks for the update and keep us posted, Kelly I brought Kisa home from the vet today. She's been fully hydrated and had a nasal feeding tube in place, with the lovely lampshade around her neck. She is still very lethargic/depressed, but a little more alert and her eyes look better. We're still no closer to a proper diagnosis though, because she is too weak to undergo surgery to obtain a biopsy of her liver. At the vet, she wasn't vomiting much at all, but once I got her home and fed her 30cc of liquid food, followed by 5 cc of water, she promptly vomited it all up. I gaver her another 20cc after that. Two hours later, I gave her another 30 ccand...well she vomited up her feeding tube shortly thereafter. She vomited up so much, that she must have had most of that 20cc from 2 hrs earlier in her belly still. What a nightmare. I guess we go back to the vet tomorrow to get another tube put insigh. The vet said we can try metachlopromide (or however its spelled) if she vomits alot, so I suppose that will be the next thing we have to try. We really need a break here. Her only chance is to get healthy enough just from feeding and giving the doxycycline so that we can hopefully do a biopsy. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
At 07:09 AM 5/29/2007, you wrote: Congratulation on your new family member and to the wonderful; butt sniffing dogs who have made her welcome,,yeah!!! Kelly Thats horrible! I hate to hear of people putting down or giving up pets because of new wives, girlfriends, boyfriends- whatever- when I was dating it was like- no- it is a package deal- me and my furchildren- take me as I am or leave meespecially since I fought so hard to keep Satine alive. on the other side of things- my husband and I saved a kitty and she is now part of the family- I named her Carrie Bradshaw from sex and the city as she has wild full hair like the main character- she is a maine coon cat. My dogs who I was worried about, love her- they smell her butt and my tibetian terrier mix I have found kissing her. We got her from a shelter here- I suspect that whoever gave her up before we got her might have been abusive- as she shys away from getting touched in the face- and the vet said they found a broken tooth on her- but she is having a wonderful time now- she loves my husband and I tease him and say that he is mr.big- she insists on getting in his office and into his heart. He closed the office door and she put her paw under the door- and wiggles it meowing, demanding to be with him- it is very cute. Shes not satine, and I do miss satine- but it feels natural to have a kitty again ^_^ Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend killed a 17 year old cat (?) he rescued when he was in college because he had a new wife, new stepdaughter, new house + and the cat was peeing on the carpet. I went home and tore up all the carpet. The only saving grace is that Gus would not have had almost 17 years of care had my friend not rescued him. I decided then that there would not be anything on the floors that was more valuable than my 4-legged friends. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Killing cats who pee on RUGS* At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years. they have grown which is good. Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted asking for prayers and support for their co worker because they were sad at deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on the carpet,.. I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other members agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the moderator,,, this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the final STraw Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable with may of theri policies at this time, Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol) Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48251/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting/?p=PASSPORTPLUSall the tools to get online. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM
Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years. they have grown which is good. Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted asking for prayers and support for their co worker because they were sad at deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on the carpet,.. I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other members agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the moderator,,, this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the final STraw Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable with may of theri policies at this time, Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol) Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****
At 01:51 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: Sorry Nina, I am not that generous right now. I do understand your point and I am usually calm and quitely willing to educate..But there was no attempt at educating..This has unfortunately not been the first issue and as I said i guess I am more in tune with the likes of Sea Shepherd...I can't stand by and not voice my displeasure, Someone needed to speak up for the doomed cat, There were many many people there suffering from the loss of an animal due to disease, Theri feelings needed to be considered. There are many wonderful animal groups that can benefit from the tiny extra I have to contribute. Best FIriends does wonderful things,,,I know. But when I can't agree with many of theirpolicies it is best i continue on my own, There are so many in need out there, Kelly Well that just wiped the smile from my face. I was not privy to the exchange and have never been to any of the Best Friends forums, but I'm assuming that their motive in removing any chastising responses was in keeping with an overall effort to maintain the site as a safe place to express grief, no matter where the blame of that grief may lie. I am by no means condoning or advocating humans deciding to pts cats because of litterbox avoidance, it turns my stomach, the same as it does yours. I am just pointing out that perhaps the moderators did not feel that this was the proper venue for attempting to educate someone that is suffering from their lack of judgement and compassion. My head too is bloody from banging it against the brick walls of those I do my best to educate. I know how frustrating and emotionally devastating it can be. The only way I can continue to reach out to those that, (in my eyes), visit atrocities on the helpless is that I know sometimes I do get through, sometimes I do make a difference. Even though they sometimes fall short of our expectations, Best Friends is a worthy organization that does make a difference. I hope that when the heat of your disappointment dissipates you are able to remain an ally to the organization. Nina Kelly L wrote: At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years. they have grown which is good. Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted asking for prayers and support for their co worker because they were sad at deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on the carpet,.. I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other members agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the moderator,,, this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the final STraw Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable with may of theri policies at this time, Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol) Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: A little more on the topic of pee
At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the fall..then again I may not Kelly The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative. Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big deal. I think nothing of it. Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why Trixie was giggling? Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right. The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever. If Trixie offers you toast, decline. */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again. Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina Susan Hoffman wrote: This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer. One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: Update on Kisa
At 04:41 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I am so sorry you are both going through this. this is what we all face, thank goodness for wach other. I am sure Kisa was glad to have you visit and she must be feeling better not to be so dehydrated. Those are good things, I am probably way off base but is there a chance theliver is enlarged due to lipidosis or it it remarkably enlarged, Sadly cancer is so common with our special FELV angels. I have heard that theri response to treatment is as good as a non FELV cat, but Liver cancer is a very hard one, She is getting some much needed nutrition and those N.G. ( nasogastric) tubes are not uncomfortable. they just look awful... Please keep us updated and write as often as you like, We are all here with you. Kelly Lane I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be spending another night there. They're keeping her on the IV. They also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck. She seems a little more alert, but she didn't get up at all. She purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this. They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril. She wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now. They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite enlarged. The vet figures it probably is cancer. The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too weak for general anesthetic right now. The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 hours away from here. I didn't ask yet how much this would cost. She would basically start the treatment there, then the vet here could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is done. I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for me. I've got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention the cost for a treatment that may or may not help her. He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on the IV. What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when it comes to the lives of our little ones? I don't want to put her through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and wish I hadn't put her through so much. Yet I find it so hard to give up on her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: Update on Kisa Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver failure, and died. Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a super healthy and active cat to death's door. I haven't even had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation. This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats for 12 years. I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were inside. What is happening now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food). I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors. Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, both emotionally and financially. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: questions
At 06:33 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: It is so blank blank hard. I do my best to remember that it is the quality not quantity, For they are truly blessed they do count the days or months...they love the belly rubs and snuggles and just enjoy each moment. We need to learn from them. My little Max is a big fluffy love bug and I am grateful he is with us. Kelly L Dear Jane, Just remember how thrilled you were at little MeMe the mite as a baby and you'll begin to forget that sadness and shock of the FeLV+ diagnosis. Because, remember, MeMe is the very same, no different than before her diagnosis. And she never wanted to come into your life to bring sadness and regret, never. She's there with you for joy. My little Mamie was the most joyous cat I ever had. My friend Linda, the vet tech who helped to save her life when she was a baby, feels the little sick ones have a special sweetness and happiness to them-- and you are privy to that sweetness and happiness now. Every birthday now is a real treat--a REAL BIRTHDAY! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 28, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers. Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up every few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became a part of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond. When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her sweetness and smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since someone had propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back of my neck. She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years. The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and bittersweet feelings of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to doing whatever I can to give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able to hold her and kiss her without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock of this disease ever move to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and moment. I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness and ability to live in the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to love and care for. She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is an answer. Thanks for listening. Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: stomatitis
At 07:13 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: Leukemia kitties should be kept in so they do not infect other cats and also so they do not pick up other stuff. In general Ido not adopt any cats out who are allowed to roam free. there are cars and dogs and engines they get into, they get trapped in garages or other small spaces, there are people who do not like cats and I have one with 3 legs due to a b.b. gun injury, they do love the sun and there are great window perches and screened porches,i have built a large outdoor enclosure for my cats so they are safe, you can see it on my site www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com but especially FelV cats,it is not fair to infect other cats. Love the babies Kelly Why did your vet say she could not go out? Can she go out when she gets over all the stuff she has? Little Mamie always went out sometimes with us and sometimes on her own. Fortunately we were in a very safe neighborhood and she would go out at five AM and stay out until ten at night. (She could always get in through her little cat door--it got locked at night when she came in. She came in when I called! She would buzz in and out the cat door all day long for a snack or to say Hi! She used to chase all the other cats away! And she would puff up like a raccoon at the dogs (all leashed here.) Really amusing! Don't make her stay in her entire life. Animals need the sun's rays the way everyone on the surface of the planet does. Mamie seemed to become much healthier when she could be outside. AND she was the only cat I knew who would sit in the middle of the yard with lightning flashing and thunder booming! I couldn't believe it! She was quite a brave little girl! My little Sammy's homeopathic vet gives him 6 drops of omega 3 fish oil/day, 1/2 cap of l-lysine/day and 1/4-1/2 cap of bovine colostrum for his little immune system. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Jane Lyons wrote: thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise. Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ? We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside) and a clear discharge from her eyes. My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora) will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no interest in. I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the heart to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly under a bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing. Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list
At 08:47 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote: I am so sorry for your loss of Scamper. No matter how old they are it still hurts so much. When I pass I am going to have so many ashes mixed mine and then the potting soil and then plant trees with all of us for the bird to hang out inand keep all the kitty spirits entertained. All me very good thoughts to you at this sad time. Kelly Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he will be be still alive. He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers. He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us. Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again. Sam and Marcia -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM
Re: new diagnosis
At 10:24 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Welcome..and THANK YOU No it is not a death sentence as you will see here. i just returned from Best friends where I met Many old,,,15-22 year old cats .. Unfortunately when kittens get it they seem to have a shorter life span, My guy is a year and a half, Best Friends give their leukemia cats 1/4 cc immuno regulin I.M each month,,I use that and alferon natural interferon,,, a good diet and lots of love!!! and have other cats also and do not worry about it spreading to my adult vaccinated cats, But Max my FELV cat live primarily away form the others with his own friends,,, I do not want him catching anything else. Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Hello everyone I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV positive test results on my year old kitten. I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony' and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't. On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that she be tested again for FeLV, and the test came back positive and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive. Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are being supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my other cat. This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently lost a 19 year old cat, and a 21 year old the year before. This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a probiotic that she is excited about FortiFlora, and liquid DMG as well as help in weaning her to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet calls 'kitty crack'. I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am finding on the Web. Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I joined this group hoping to share information with real people who are living and coping with this disease. I keep re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline Leukemia is not a death sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be helpful to MeMe. Thank you Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 11:50 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I agree with Pam she is suffering,,,she needs the tube and fluids, Please do let her just lie there suffering,,All the medications CAN be given via injection.She is dying,,, Kelly Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping in mind that you are limited to location and funding. That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots. They will not cure anything, but will keep her very comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do chemo. They are steroids, but much stronger than prednisone. I am so sorry Kisa is having to go through this (and you as well). Prayers going out for both of you. Please keep us posted. :) Wendy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I just read this email. How is Kisa doing today? I am not caught up yet. I hope she's better. Prayers going out for both of you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa. She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of lymphocytes. Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma. The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised. They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so easily. They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite. I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now. I don't understand why this is all happening at once. First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months. As soon as he started
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so loving and gentle too. I could pet her belly, the only cat that would let me do that. And when she played, she would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with. It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can cheer you up after a long day at work. It's going to take me a long time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 times. And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again. I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on anything else other than my kitties these days. Cassandra - Original Message - From:
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all. I'm not sure where the food is going after it goes in. She's not very responsive either, anymore. She will purr a bit when I pet her, but that's about it. I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy, or feeding tube insertion anymore. Considering the vet clinics i've called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby. This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much more that can be done. I know someone right now who has cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped aggressive treatment. She has only painkillers and 6 months to live. Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a week ago, I begin a new batch of tears. She was absolutely fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her. Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in it. She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth. No matter where I hid that panda, she would find it. She could break into anything, including the closets. She's always been so
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps. I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her. She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kisa sounds like such a special kitty. I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed panda around. What special memories you have of her. Still praying for her to rally. And for comfort for you. :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been getting more lethargic day by day. And now she's at the point where all she does is hide/sleep. When we bring her out of her hiding spot, she vomits almost immediately. The Chloropromazine didn't help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it. The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the prior feeding. I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, and leave it at that. I think food may be the least of her worries right now. She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure. Her third eyelid is very noticeable now. She shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it. Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I seriously doubt she's pooped at all
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection. Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the injectable meds, Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may not even keep the meds down. I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them. Please let me know how I can help you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any time Kelly The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby. Kelly Thanks all, Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better
Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
At 07:17 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: It has been my experience that members in Canada have had trouble getting the fluids to give at home .please private email me if I can help... thanks Kelly Yes I am in Canada, so i'm sure not all the drugs are the same, and availability may differ. I was using Chloropromazine for the vomiting, but it didn't work. I will ask about those other drugs. So vomiting will preclude having a feeding tube in the esophagus? If so, that could be a problem, as she vomits quite regularly, and has been doing so for a week now. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection. Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the injectable meds, Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are throwing up they may not even keep the meds down. I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them. Please let me know how I can help you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any time Kelly The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday. There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong. I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet I am here awake most of the the night Kelly They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning. I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic. This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: What are they doing for her. are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic. So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks
Re: Toxo- contagious or no?
At 08:38 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: It should NOT be contagious No one seems to be able to tell me. I researched it some and it seems to come from eating raw meat, such as mice? But Caroline doesn't mouse... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: Kelley
At 08:59 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote: Good ,,keep 'em on their toes!!Keep us up to date please,,, Kelly Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying dearly. They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet. She's being monitored around the clock. I've called up there 5 times today starting at 6 am and been there once. On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive? Have you ever had a cat before that had seizures? My Paddy, who is now 22, had one about 2 years ago has never had another, knock on wood. Apparently this happens. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/819 - Release Date: 5/26/2007 10:47 AM
Re: Good thoughts for Caroline
At 03:46 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote: Sending good wishes for Carline. Please keep us updated. Kelly I got up this morning and Carline was sick. I took her to the hospital..she had 2 seizures in the car...they don't know what is wrong with her but she will be staying in the ER for the weekend...it doesn't look very good. She's lost a lot of weight and was dehydrated w/vomiting -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM
Re: Plastic bags
At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote: Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard so they will biodegrade..I hate them!! While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all plastic actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get their heads caught in the handles strangle. So please please cut those loops! For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 6 paks together. Those things have been found around the necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around their necks. Pam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/818 - Release Date: 5/25/2007 12:32 PM
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
At 01:14 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: no problem. I have Kaiser and a Rabies certificate,,,been there before...no health claims and i got a tetanus shot with my last years bite. anyone time you claim a stray cat bite you are subject to rabies shots, Kelly Don't tell them everything...maybe that you were reaching for a cat in an alley or something like that. Try not to implicate any of your cats because most hospitals have to report it and most insurances will question your claims. I know my health insurance called to see who the cat belonged to etc. She quite literally was a feral with no owner and no known hang out. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote: the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats are all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and still bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I only have enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will probably head to the doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for a rabies certificate from one of my cats first, they do not go free so i am not worried, but do not want snoops around here, Kelly Poor little scared guy! How's your hand/arm? Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote: Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started antibiotics Kelly Please be very careful with the cat bites. I know you will be but have to say it anyway. I little feral broken a finger (much to the dismay of an entire hand practice at a university here). I had surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later (supposedly) to repair the nail bed. The last surgery was after a very long course of antibiotics. Instead of repairing the nail bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again. Seems like it was very infected with no outer signs of infection. Some of these bugs can get into the bone and fester for months or years. I am not saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye on the situation. Your cats value you much too much to let you spend too much time at a hospital. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Great Snake evening excitement Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
At 07:00 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: Already started the Augmentin last night..it is humorous. the swelling is from soft tissue damage as opposed to infection..I always used to ask my self what I would do if there were a rattle snake challenging my cats. Well I now know,,My cats and the snake do come first, it was a cute little gopher snake, i find frequent garter snakes in the house and just put them in the front bushes away from the cat, I have to laugh at myself as I do finally have a hair appointment at 12 and need to work the ER visit around that...I do have a rabies certificate for another cat so I am cool with that part,. Boy are we women or what. Kelly Well, I was chuckling through your story until I got to the part about the cat bite already starting to swell. Anytime a bite is bad enough to send me to the hospital the story I tell is always about a stray, (not feral), just a scared little kitty that I tried to yank by the tail out from under a car. No, I have never seen her before, (I make up an elaborate description, she had a mustache like Hitler, or some such nonsense), and she ran like a bolt after she bit me. I live in CA too and they always suggest a series of rabbies shots and I always refuse them. No one can make you take the treatments, at least no one has ever tried to force them on me. Bruce was the last one to get bit and he refused to go to the doctor when it began to swell. By the time I was ready to knock him unconscious to get him there, (the next day), he needed the injectable Augmentin, (a series of them for several weeks). The doctor kept shaking his head and talking about admitting him to the hospital for iv antibiotics, but he was able to fight off the infection with mega doses of oral and the injectables. You can order Augmentin wo a script from: http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=Augmentinbysearch=okGo.x=9Go.y=6 http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=Augmentinbysearch=okGo.x=9Go.y=6 Be sure and let us know how you are doing. I hope that grateful little garter snake figures out a way to avoid the hawks and you haven't set back your feral's socialization too much. Let's hope that snake lets his friends know that your house is less safe than the bushes. Next time tell your assistant to bring a net with her along with the boots and rake. Nina Kelly L wrote: Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
At 07:25 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: I am so glad the kitty has been spotted, Do they have a trap set my 3 days at BestFirneds Healing heart workshop was so needed,,,To sit in a room with 10 other women from the all over the county and know you are no alone,We are not just cat ladies eitherdogs snakes gopher,,sorry i don't do kids!! Have a good day kelly We are Women alright: Crazy Cat Women! I was talking with Hideyo yesterday about all we do above and beyond. Do you remember the little adopted kitty that went missing from the new adopter's house the first night? Well Hideyo has finally spotted her outside the lady's house where they've been leaving food out. She had to stake the place out and Mattie didn't show up until 1am. When I suggested that perhaps it would be easier for the new mom to fight her sleep and keep watch for Mattie, Hideyo told me that she didn't think the woman would be willing to do that. I said, why not? I certainly would. Hideyo didn't miss a beat when she told me very matter-of-factly, Yes, but you're crazy. This coming from one of the craziest cat ladies I know. It really cracked me up. Nina Kelly L wrote: At 07:00 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: Already started the Augmentin last night..it is humorous. the swelling is from soft tissue damage as opposed to infection..I always used to ask my self what I would do if there were a rattle snake challenging my cats. Well I now know,,My cats and the snake do come first, it was a cute little gopher snake, i find frequent garter snakes in the house and just put them in the front bushes away from the cat, I have to laugh at myself as I do finally have a hair appointment at 12 and need to work the ER visit around that...I do have a rabies certificate for another cat so I am cool with that part,. Boy are we women or what. Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: Great Snake evening excitement
At 02:49 PM 5/22/2007, you wrote: there are a few strains of deadly bacteria in a cats mouth, You do know that Augmentin is almost the same as Clavamox.. I have used it many times and it has reversed severe infections. Vanco is reserved to super bad bugs, kelly I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite next thing I knew I was deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost 30 pounds in 3 months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin am still on it 8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary even then I will be sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, a semi-feral colony of 4. I honestly don't know what is worse, an untreated cat bite or Cdiff. Pam Kelly L wrote: At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote: Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started antibiotics Kelly Please be very careful with the cat bites. I know you will be but have to say it anyway. I little feral broken a finger (much to the dismay of an entire hand practice at a university here). I had surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later (supposedly) to repair the nail bed. The last surgery was after a very long course of antibiotics. Instead of repairing the nail bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again. Seems like it was very infected with no outer signs of infection. Some of these bugs can get into the bone and fester for months or years. I am not saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye on the situation. Your cats value you much too much to let you spend too much time at a hospital. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Great Snake evening excitement Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee
At 08:31 AM 5/21/2007, you wrote: Don't laugh , but last week i purchased a fire place screen to i could put it to the wall heaters to protect them from the same thing. Have you considered putting some wet and vinegar soaked towels in the dryier and running it for a while?? Kelly I bet its on the floor under the dryer... Tad Nina wrote: Remember the thread where everyone was trying to figure out where the urine odor was coming from? (Kelley, I'm sure you do). Well, someone has contaminated my dryer. I'm not sure how they did it. I'm assuming they backed up, aimed and fired into the crevices around the opening of the door, but I guess it could be in the air filter. All I know is that I've scrubbed and sprayed and scrubbed some more. Every time I think it's safe to dry a load of clothes they come out of the dryer smelling not springtime fresh, but of fresh kitty. Whoever marked the dryer must be thrilled, everything smells of their scent now. Any suggestions? Do I have to get a new dryer and house it behind chain link? Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM
Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee
At 08:45 AM 5/21/2007, you wrote: I was at BEST FRIENDS last week for the workshop, Sitting in one of the dog areas listening to a talk on detecting stress in dogs etc,,Well as I leaned forward I got that strange familar whiffI kept hoping it was coming for elsewhere,, No chanceMy shirt had that familiar yellow patch that i did not see as i got dressed in the hotel that morning, A trip to the bathroom and a wet shirt for the next few hours I always carry spare shoes and clothes in my car,,, Kelly I'm thinking of draping my whole house in wet vinegar towels! I'll pull the dryer out and scrub the floors and try the wet towel trick. I keep thinking of the little perfumed sachets my mother used to keep in her lingerie drawer, far far cry from that! Thanks, Nina Kelly L wrote: At 08:31 AM 5/21/2007, you wrote: Don't laugh , but last week i purchased a fire place screen to i could put it to the wall heaters to protect them from the same thing. Have you considered putting some wet and vinegar soaked towels in the dryier and running it for a while?? Kelly I bet its on the floor under the dryer... Tad Nina wrote: Remember the thread where everyone was trying to figure out where the urine odor was coming from? (Kelley, I'm sure you do). Well, someone has contaminated my dryer. I'm not sure how they did it. I'm assuming they backed up, aimed and fired into the crevices around the opening of the door, but I guess it could be in the air filter. All I know is that I've scrubbed and sprayed and scrubbed some more. Every time I think it's safe to dry a load of clothes they come out of the dryer smelling not springtime fresh, but of fresh kitty. Whoever marked the dryer must be thrilled, everything smells of their scent now. Any suggestions? Do I have to get a new dryer and house it behind chain link? Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM
Great Snake evening excitement
Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more, I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out, Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,, the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!! What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm Kelly
Re: Plastic Bag Kitties
At 10:24 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote: Plastic bags can be very dangerous to kitties, they can chew part off and choke, but more common is they get it tangled around their necks where the handles are and strangle themselves, Paper bags are safe fun for kitties. Kelly Please make sure you are watching him closely when he is playing with plastic bags. Like a baby, they can suffocate and/or eat pieces that may not pass thru his system. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:58 PM Subject: Plastic Bag Kitties My adorable tuxedo Billi Bi loves those plastic bags from the grocery or the pharmacy. He tries to cram all eight pounds of his lanky self into them. Billi Bi is part Siamese and has the voice to prove it! Also, years ago I read that cats adored those thin brown tissue dress patterns. They could eat them (yum, yum). Taylor Scobie Humphrey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 12, 2007, at 12:43 PM, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I have a Siamese ever since he was a baby (6 weeks old rescue) he has a fetish for plastic. Especially the plastic bags from the grocery stores it doesn't matter which store it's from. He will lick it or love it. He has been tested and there is nothing medically wrong with him. He is almost 5 years old. Anyone have a kitty that does this? Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 7:54 AM
Re: From Michelle
At 03:54 PM 5/19/2007, you wrote: Please tell Michelle we are all sending positive thoughts for Patches and mom.. Kelly Hi all,Michelle wanted me to pass this on to everyone here,to ask for prayers for her sweet Patches. Sherry Hi,all Patches, my one remaining positive, has been in the hospital for the last 3 days. I was scared (as was the local vet) that it was FIP or lymphoma. It turns out it is severe pancreatitis and ketoacidotic diabetes. She has done better than expected and, if she responds ok today to longer-acting twice/day insulin (she has been on 4 x/day) she can come home tonight (fingers crossed). FIP can sometimes cause pancreatitis, so it is not definite she does not have it, but there are no present indications that she does, knock on wood. The vets warn that it will not be easy to keep her well or get her over the pancreatitis or the diabetes, but we are going to try our best! She is eating a little diabetes prescription food on her own without vomiting, which the vet says is good. Would you please forward this to the FeLV list and ask people to send her some healing energy and prayers? Thanks and hope you are well, Michelle http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.comBored stiff? Loosen up... http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.comDownload and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.4/811 - Release Date: 5/18/2007 3:50 PM
Re: the labs are on their way
At 09:21 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: I am nut sure of her address as yet, but i can get it. thanks Kelly Kelly, Where in Seattle are these kitties going? More direct location would help. Seattle is huge and there are many Vets all over. I'm in WA. and Belinda is too. In a message dated 5/17/2007 1:57:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well we are still positive, but the rest of the labs look good. Please, I am still seeking a good vet in Seattle,, Thanks kelly Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
Re: FIV Testing...
At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is * Should I ask what test was doneis it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) * Isnt it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? Im afraid I cant provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) http://www.findkpets.orgwww.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
Re: the labs are on their way
At 06:00 PM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell me about good FELV vets there...if you can/? Kelly Yes, I'm in Sumner about 20, 25 miles south of Seattle. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
Re: OT -- just for laughs :0)
At 07:59 PM 5/18/2007, you wrote: I used to vacuum my white deaf kitty also,had to be careful mowing the lawn also as he just did not move. Kelly The perfect cat for people allergic to cats. I watched it a couple of times and thought about my search for a vacuum that didn't scare the little ones to death. The answer? Miele. Go find a pile of money you haven't already spent on your little ones. It's perfect! VERY quiet! This white cat must be deaf! But until you realize it, it's really a mystery, isn't it? Why the cat isn't upside down stuck to the ceiling! Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On May 17, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Nina wrote: Very cute. Thanks it did make me laugh. N elizabeth trent wrote: http://www.glumbert.com/media/catvacuum elizabeth -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
Re: the labs are on their way
At 06:28 PM 5/16/2007, you wrote: Well we are still positive, but the rest of the labs look good. Please, I am still seeking a good vet in Seattle,, Thanks kelly Well, little Maxx had his labs drawn today. he is going to Seattle on the 6th with his real mama, and i will be so sad to see him go, but helping this girl out with her cat is sure worth it, i am teaching her how to do fluids, temps, injections etc,,i know this chances are slim he was able to throw off the virus, but worth a shot, I just returned from a wonderful 3 day workshop at Best Friends. I spent my extra time with the FELV kitties, I have some wonderful pictures of so many, One is 22and in great health, they do use the Immuno Regulin monthly, They give 0.25 cc IM once a month to all the felv kitties. I have some here of course so it will go up to Seattle along with the Alferon. I am stil trying to find a GOOD vet in SEATTLE that will work with some of the treatments we have been using, i am up for any names please, If anyone wants any pics just email me, . thanks again Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/805 - Release Date: 5/15/2007 10:47 AM
the labs are on their way
Well, little Maxx had his labs drawn today. he is going to Seattle on the 6th with his real mama, and i will be so sad to see him go, but helping this girl out with her cat is sure worth it, i am teaching her how to do fluids, temps, injections etc,,i know this chances are slim he was able to throw off the virus, but worth a shot, I just returned from a wonderful 3 day workshop at Best Friends. I spent my extra time with the FELV kitties, I have some wonderful pictures of so many, One is 22and in great health, they do use the Immuno Regulin monthly, They give 0.25 cc IM once a month to all the felv kitties. I have some here of course so it will go up to Seattle along with the Alferon. I am stil trying to find a GOOD vet in SEATTLE that will work with some of the treatments we have been using, i am up for any names please, If anyone wants any pics just email me, . thanks again Kelly
Re: Cassidy now at Best Friends
At 12:08 PM 5/12/2007, you wrote: I just get back from Best Friends today and they were all excited to have Cassidy there, i took some great pictures of the new FELV area and saw one sweet Siamese22 years young with FELV!! Kelly Welcome back Melissa, sounds like an emotionally draining situation. I know you will get through it though! Just remember, he's in a happy place now, like you said. Congrats on the new job too! Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM
Re: Please add Albert to the CLS
At 06:47 PM 5/15/2007, you wrote: Kerry I am so sorry you have had to say a temporary goodbye to Albert, He is with his sister now and free of any health problems, All my warm wishes and thoughts are with you, and this difficult time Kelly Hi all, I know I haven't been here in awhile, but I always come back as you guys are the most understanding and compassionate people that I have ever met.. I lost Albert today, May 15 a few minutes before 4pm. He went into sudden cardiac failure. He hadn't been sick until yesterday as he started showing some signs of maybe a urinary tract infection which turned out to be his heart..probably due to some long standing hyper-t. He was felv-. We added his sister, Alberta to CLS back in Jan. I just wanted him there with her. I also lost Striper (hit by a car) on April 16. So it hasn't been a good year so far. To those of you that remember Inky, he is now 20yrs and 9 months. Fingers crossed he keeps doing well. Albert had just turned 16 on April 12. Thank you all as always for listening and caring.. You and your kitties are always in our prayers, Kerry, Inky, and Angel's Bandy, Buster, Lil Rascal, Snoopy, Alberta, Striper, and Albert 2 feral angel's Tom Cat and Fuzzy Boy http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49937/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ Check it out. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/804 - Release Date: 5/14/2007 4:46 PM
Re: Tomi
At 07:12 PM 4/30/2007, you wrote: Thank you for the wonderful newsWe are with you both Kelly Just a small update on Tomi. I didn't take time off work today, because strangely enough, Tomi is alot better today. He's using the litter box again, and getting around much better. He has quite a large appetite today after eating very little the last week or so. Tomi even looks much more alert and responsive, watching me with big eyes. The last few days, he was just staring into empty space with half-lidded eyes. Considering I was positive i'd be burying my little boy this weekend, this is quite a welcome change. I'm really scared to get my hopes up, that this could just be the calm before the storm, but its so hard not to hope. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Tomi Thank you. I think this weekend has been the hardest of my life. Oddly enough, Tomi was a little better today. I didn't expect him to make it through the night last night, but today, he actually walked out of the bedroom on his own. I don't believe he's actually better, though. He still isn't able to go to the bathroom on his own, and is so weak. He is drinking alot of water too. I don't really know if that is good or bad. I guess I will see what tomorrow brings. Sadly I have to go to work, but i'll likely take the afternoon off, or call in sick, depending how he is in the morning. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Tomi Hi Cassandra, I am so sorry that Tomi is so ill. It does sound like his quality of life is declining quickly. It's a heartbreaking and confusing roller coaster to see our beloved furbabies enjoying life one day and the next, obviously in pain or stressed. If Tomi is going to pass, I hope that he does it quickly and peacefully. Bless you for taking such wonderful care of him. Take care, :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions for Tomi. He had a pretty good day yesterday, he was watching the birds outside the window for awhile and purring as I petted him. He was even interested in eating some food. Today was not such a good day. He seemed ok first thing this morning, but when I gave him a bit of food, he promptly vomited up. He was then a little out of breath from vomiting, and cried a bit because I believe he was scared as he was trying to catch his breath. He also peed himself for the first time ever :( After that, he had no energy to move all day. He basically stayed in my bedroom the whole day, lying under the sink. I gave him some towels to lie on, and he peed again tonight on those, too weak to get up. My vet clinic doesn't do house calls, so if I need to euthanize him, i'll have to call around and see if anyone will do a house call. I don't think he can handle a car ride at all now. Even the thought of putting him to sleep has me in tears every time, but I think he's at the point now that he is getting no pleasure out of life. I think he is waiting to die :( Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon I've been hoping and praying that Tomi would somehow pull through this, and last week he did seem to be doing better on the 2 prednisone per day. But now, the last few days, he's been going downhill fast. Today, he is out of breath just walking a few feet, and breathing fast. I'm still able to coax him to eat a bit of baby food, but he just threw up the last bit of food I gave him. He never throws up normally. I guess I have to finally accept the fact that he's not going to get better. I've been thinking about the whole euthanizing thing, but I honestly don't know how I could do that to him. To spend the last hours of his life doing to him what he hates the most (car ride and vet visit), seems too hard for me to handle. I don't think i'm strong enough to make that decision. To me it feels like I would be personally ending his life. I don't want him to suffer either, and i'm not sure at all how much longer he will last when he is having difficulty getting enough oxygen circulated due to anemia. I still can't believe all this has happened. Two months ago I was positive he would one day become a chunky, lazy old tom cat, lounging in the sun. I would never have dreamed I would lose him after only 2 and a half years. Over the last 7 weeks, i've become even closer to him than ever as I've been trying to nurse him back to health.He's always been so loving and tolerant of my hugs and kisses. Life is going to feel so empty when he is gone. Cassandra
