Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Jenny, Most people in this group have heardr this story a dozen or five dozen times before. In general the reponse is to wait and retest. I, personally, take a more aggressive stance. First of all, I agree with making sure it was felv and not fiv. fiv is usually transmitted through bites while felv is much easier to spread, especially in the young. Kittens have a compromised immune system (sort of like babies, needing the mother's milk for passively acquired antibodies). Because of this, kittens are way way way more susceptible to the virus. Your kitten already has an upper respiratory which makes me really nervous about the snap test being right. It could be wrong and God willing it is, but from everything I have experienced, read and seen your best bet at treating is now. If you wait, the virus can get into the bone marrow and that's when it causes problems. I've lived this more than once. An apparently healthy kitten can go downhill by about one year to one and half years. By then you're attached and devastated and the treatments rarely work. I've seen it over and over again. I'd treat now. At the very least, give high quality food (personally I recommend raw diet). Foods like Orijen, Fromm are good. I can't think of any good kitten ones at the moment, someone else may know. Second, I would get Mega C (you can goggle it Mega C for cats) and mix it in with his food, as much as you can. Third I would consider more aggressive treatment - Immunregulin or acemannan (if they still make it not sure). My point is if your kitten has felv his best chance at beating it is treating now. Usually I believe in intervening as little as possible, but with this virus the time to strike is now. That's just my opinion take it for what its worth. There are some other approaches if you're interested in considering treatment with high dose vitamins and NAC etc. Good luck. Jenny On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:06 AM, Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net wrote: I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Unfortunately, acemannan is currently off the market. Carrington labs, the manufacturer, went out of business last year after struggling through bankruptcy for nearly a decade. So, unless you can find a vet with a stockpile, it's all gone. It's a great drug, with applications for humans as well as kitties - I hope someone buys their patent soon. -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:16 AM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: Immunregulin or acemannan (if they still make it not sure). ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Thank you guys for all the wonderful responses! I've been caught up with work lately, and giving sweet Cali so much attention (And when my Joey doesn't tackle me and claim mama time). When we took her to the second vet, they said her heart and lungs sounded good and clear. And Cali's temperature has already dropped back to normal. She didn't say anything about the sore on her tongue, but the sniffles and sneezes have gotten so much better in two days also. She's on antibiotics to help clear that all up and she takes it like a trooper. She is such a different, happier little girl! We did the IFA test, should get the results in a few days. I know, might be a bit too early for it, but I wanted to really check. As for her food, she's eating Royal Canin Baby Cat Instinctive. I'm already going to have to go get her more. And we also feed her this gel twice a day. I can't remember what it's called right now, got it from the vet, is supposed to help her immune system. Oh! She's gained 3 oz in two days also! She's a pig. Haha. I'm glad I took her into a second vet. Having that second opinion helps, and they didn't completely sugar coat everything. I know I'm going to get attached to her, already am. And how I'm looking at this is: if I have her for 3 days or 17 years, I know I've made her life better, and she's made mine so much more wonderful. Now it's just the waiting game. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Bless You! You feeding her Royal Canin Baby Cat is good for her. When I start weaning my kittens from the moms if they haven't already done so this is their first food. I give them both wet and dry food as much as they want at all times. I highly recommend this this food as they have different stages for kittens, breeds, and differenthealth issuesfor kitties. All fingers and paws are crossed here for good test results for your Cali kitty! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+From: Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.netDate: Sun, July 10, 2011 4:39 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgThank you guys for all the wonderful responses! I've been caught up withwork lately, and giving sweet Cali so much attention (And when my Joeydoesn't tackle me and claim mama time). When we took her to the second vet,they said her heart and lungs sounded good and clear. And Cali's temperaturehas already dropped back to normal. She didn't say anything about the soreon her tongue, but the sniffles and sneezes have gotten so much better intwo days also. She's on antibiotics to help clear that all up and she takesit like a trooper. She is such a different, happier little girl! We did theIFA test, should get the results in a few days. I know, might be a bit tooearly for it, but I wanted to really check.As for her food, she's eating Royal Canin Baby Cat Instinctive. I'm alreadygoing to have to go get her more. And we also feed her this gel twice a day.I can't remember what it's called right now, got it from the vet, issupposed to help her immune system. Oh! She's gained 3 oz in two days also!She's a pig. Haha.I'm glad I took her into a second vet. Having that second opinion helps, andthey didn't completely sugar coat everything. I know I'm going to getattached to her, already am. And how I'm looking at this is: if I have herfor 3 days or 17 years, I know I've made her life better, and she's mademine so much more wonderful.Now it's just the waiting game.___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
And she will enrich your life a thousand times more...they know when you are helping and they know..well, they just are them... On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Jenny Orvis wrote: Thank you guys for all the wonderful responses! I've been caught up with work lately, and giving sweet Cali so much attention (And when my Joey doesn't tackle me and claim mama time). When we took her to the second vet, they said her heart and lungs sounded good and clear. And Cali's temperature has already dropped back to normal. She didn't say anything about the sore on her tongue, but the sniffles and sneezes have gotten so much better in two days also. She's on antibiotics to help clear that all up and she takes it like a trooper. She is such a different, happier little girl! We did the IFA test, should get the results in a few days. I know, might be a bit too early for it, but I wanted to really check. As for her food, she's eating Royal Canin Baby Cat Instinctive. I'm already going to have to go get her more. And we also feed her this gel twice a day. I can't remember what it's called right now, got it from the vet, is supposed to help her immune system. Oh! She's gained 3 oz in two days also! She's a pig. Haha. I'm glad I took her into a second vet. Having that second opinion helps, and they didn't completely sugar coat everything. I know I'm going to get attached to her, already am. And how I'm looking at this is: if I have her for 3 days or 17 years, I know I've made her life better, and she's made mine so much more wonderful. Now it's just the waiting game. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
There are days that I swear I am going to kill at least one of them and then 5 minutes later they jump on my lap, curl up and start purring so confident that I love them and they are safe in my lap. What are you going to do? They ahve us wrapped around their paws and they know it and I guess we don't mind because we keep coming back for more. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: And she will enrich your life a thousand times more...they know when you are helping and they know..well, they just are them... On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Jenny Orvis wrote: Thank you guys for all the wonderful responses! I've been caught up with work lately, and giving sweet Cali so much attention (And when my Joey doesn't tackle me and claim mama time). When we took her to the second vet, they said her heart and lungs sounded good and clear. And Cali's temperature has already dropped back to normal. She didn't say anything about the sore on her tongue, but the sniffles and sneezes have gotten so much better in two days also. She's on antibiotics to help clear that all up and she takes it like a trooper. She is such a different, happier little girl! We did the IFA test, should get the results in a few days. I know, might be a bit too early for it, but I wanted to really check. As for her food, she's eating Royal Canin Baby Cat Instinctive. I'm already going to have to go get her more. And we also feed her this gel twice a day. I can't remember what it's called right now, got it from the vet, is supposed to help her immune system. Oh! She's gained 3 oz in two days also! She's a pig. Haha. I'm glad I took her into a second vet. Having that second opinion helps, and they didn't completely sugar coat everything. I know I'm going to get attached to her, already am. And how I'm looking at this is: if I have her for 3 days or 17 years, I know I've made her life better, and she's made mine so much more wonderful. Now it's just the waiting game. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Are you able to vaccinate your other kitty and keep the new girl separated for a month or so? If so, I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't keep her. Just because she's potentially FeLV positive doesn't mean she isn't a wonderful kitty who deserves a chance at happiness just as much as a cat who tests negative. Your heart seems to have already led you in this direction and following your heart will serve you well. Best, Ben -- My iPhone told me to send this message. -- On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net wrote: I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
What a lucky kitten she is to have you find her! 8 weeks old is so young, I wonder where the rest of the litter is? I bet she is so spoiled already and it's a great sign that Joey is interested :) Keep them separate until you know for sure if she is truly positive or can clear the virus later for a negative result. We all know that test are not 100% accurate, therefore you may have to take it one step further and have an IFA done, but I would not do that until she is at least 3 mos old. Give her time, she could clear the virus. Do a test again in 30 days, then go from there and let us know. I would definitely make sure Joey has had the vaccination for FeLV. He will have a better chance of not getting it, but in order for the vaccine to be effective, he has to have the second shot 3 weeks later after the first initial shot. That's my advice for now. Since she is so young it's hard to tell you each step b/c I feel she will need more tests as she gets older (in other words, I would keep testing until you get a negative result) and I will repeat myself one more time, she could clear the virus. Good luck, and keep in touch :0) Lynda - Original Message - From: Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+ I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
The SNAP test is not as accurate as the maker has hyped, or most Vet's knowledge. Go to this link for Testing Protocols. http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/FeLV_Web.pdf Basically both tests the SNAP(Elisa) and the IFA results need to be the same results, otherwise the kitten/cat is still not a true positive. SomeWhere Sam From: Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 5:06:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+ I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+
Also - you mentioned that the vet isn't worried about her spreading it to your cat unless they bite. That sounds more like FIV. Are you sure he said Feline Leukemia or did he say Feline Aids? Just wanted to check because you mentioned the bite thing. Feline Leukemia can be spread much easier by like mutual grooming, food and water bowls, etc. (and bites of course). But Feline Aides (FIV) is spread by bites almost exclusively. It can't be spread by sharing food bowls or mutual grooming because the virus from the infected cat has to be injected straight into the bloodstream. I hope for the kitten's sake he meant to say feline aids but mis-spoke and said FeLV but was thinking of FIV. FIV is usually not nearly as devastating to the body and isn't as contagious so it's much better of the two dreadful diseases. Either way, Somewhere Sam is right. Need to re-test and two tests much match. If he meant FeLV definitely do an IFA but if he meant FIV then another snap test in a few weeks is probably enough because I don't think the snap test screws up the results of FIV quite as often as FeLV. Not sure but it seems that way from the reading I've done. It's true that you can't trust the results of the snap test on a young kitten either. I've had 3 kittens from a litter of 4 test positive for FIV but then 3 weeks later test negative. That's because they had the antibodies from the mother in their system and it made them test positive but as soon as they had stopped nursing and the antibodies cleared their system they tested negative. Did the vet mention calici virus? It's pronounced like ka-lee-see. That's another type of URI that can cause ulcers on the tongue. You treat it the same though and since it's a virus it just has to make it through the system. L-Lysine is a good supplement for the sniffles. If the ulcers are bad or if she gets too clogged up and she can't smell her food she may not want to eat so you just have to watch for that because young kittens dehydrate easily. You're so kind for taking her in. Check with the vet about FeLV versus FIV. Hopefully he just mis-spoke and hopefully the next snap test will be negative for both. I know Joey would love to have a playmate. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:04:34 -0700 From: sin...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+ The SNAP test is not as accurate as the maker has hyped, or most Vet's knowledge. Go to this link for Testing Protocols. http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/FeLV_Web.pdf Basically both tests the SNAP(Elisa) and the IFA results need to be the same results, otherwise the kitten/cat is still not a true positive. SomeWhere Sam From: Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 5:06:28 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+ I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten, little skiddish, but happy. I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But, she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him, and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than biting. I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up, and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3. I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any advice? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
