Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur
Sounds like Meaow wants to be the ONLY cat in the house. Annie was that way in the beginning, but no serious biting, just hissing and slappig. She has settled down now. So has Nitnoy who only slaps and hisses, especially Harley since he thinks his life's mission is to harrass the others to death, plus he is just going on 2 years and has more energy than anyone else. Sometimes he acts like he was a feral, and he has been indoor all his life. Guess the wild ancestors genes came out in him. czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you family!!! I typed a long note yesterday and aborted it. Yes, I was not happy with being advised what med to put both Pookashay Meaow on without any explanations. The state facility is a great idea. I ordered the GNC vegetarian formula CoQ 10 on Saturday. Natalie, You are really high on it. This note is primarily about Meaow and his bloody diarrhea. I am going to digress. He tore up the back of my hand last night when he got by me through the bedroom door into the main part of the apartment. I have been leaving him out of the cage thinking that would be less stressful. He attacked an older fe leukemia + female. He has now attacked all the females of my home circle. I am on antibiotics for the 4th time due to him since the beginning of October. Yes, I remember well last summer's discussion about who controls the doors. He is back in the cage. He crunched down on her tail so she can no longer lift her tail. I intervened without protection. Sunday morning there was a 1/3 gob of clotting blood on the bathroom floor. I had put him in there while I cleaned the bedroom cages. Part of this morning's bowel movement was hard formed the remainder was formed and contained a lot more liquid. I bought some Paul Newman canned will feed that exclusviely tonight. have not tried yogurt. last night fed cooked beef liver and milk and cooked sweet potato, . . . quit the variety? He is on a waiting list for the local SPCA. I have identified him as a biter to them. he is a sweetie as I have said before who wants to claim me. I am attached to him but no way can it be. thanks for listening. ideas? I go back to the vet on Saturday. will tell her about your comments. thank you. cz Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:14:32 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur Animals (and people) with any heart problems need CoQ10 desperately! Between 30 mg and 50 mg daily! One of our cats has cardiomyopathy and renal failure…she was diagnosed 1 ½ yrs. ago. She’s on a few drugs and sub-q fluids and I also supplement her with CoQ10 – she’s doing really well. We don’t know how long she’s had the problem…she’s about 12 yrs. old now. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kat Parker Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur There are varying degrees of heart murmurs in cats. They are measures in fractions of 6. For instance, a 2 out of 6, or 2/6, is not as serious a a 4/6. We had a cat who was diagnosed with a murmur, and we did not have the money to get further testing done on him at that time because he was fresh off the street, A stray that just followed me inside one day after I had fed him. lol He looked awful, mainly because he had been living as a stray with a bad flea allergy. What a fantastic cat he proved to be! Well, all was ell for about 6 months, then he started fainting (syncope), and we were told to get the echo done. We did, at a specialist here in San Diego, with the help of some awesome MySpace friends and a chip in, and it was learned then that he had cardiomyopathy with pulmonary edema and aortic stenosis. His lungs were so full of liquid and his heart had the all too common cardiomyopathy cats get. I was told by the specialty hospital vet that it often happens that these disorders, heart murmur and cardiomyopathy, go hand in hand (but not in every case). Zoh's heart murmur was a 4/6, which is significant. They put Zoh on 3 meds which he took for the rest of his life, every day. Furosemide (lasix) for the fluid in the lungs, Atenolol, a blood pressure med, and one more bp mes, I cannot remember the name of, but he got better. I was told cats with cardiomyopathy rarely live long, and Zoh lived 2 more years till he succumbed to a heart attack and died in my arms, in my room. I am hoping this info of my experience with heart murmurs might give you something to talk about to your vet. I would def ask what the meds are, what class, and why he is prescribing them, as well as get a definite diagnosis/prognosis in his professional opinion. It sounds like he did not give you enough info
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur
Animals (and people) with any heart problems need CoQ10 desperately! Between 30 mg and 50 mg daily! One of our cats has cardiomyopathy and renal failure she was diagnosed 1 ½ yrs. ago. Shes on a few drugs and sub-q fluids and I also supplement her with CoQ10 shes doing really well. We dont know how long shes had the problem shes about 12 yrs. old now. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kat Parker Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur There are varying degrees of heart murmurs in cats. They are measures in fractions of 6. For instance, a 2 out of 6, or 2/6, is not as serious a a 4/6. We had a cat who was diagnosed with a murmur, and we did not have the money to get further testing done on him at that time because he was fresh off the street, A stray that just followed me inside one day after I had fed him. lol He looked awful, mainly because he had been living as a stray with a bad flea allergy. What a fantastic cat he proved to be! Well, all was ell for about 6 months, then he started fainting (syncope), and we were told to get the echo done. We did, at a specialist here in San Diego, with the help of some awesome MySpace friends and a chip in, and it was learned then that he had cardiomyopathy with pulmonary edema and aortic stenosis. His lungs were so full of liquid and his heart had the all too common cardiomyopathy cats get. I was told by the specialty hospital vet that it often happens that these disorders, heart murmur and cardiomyopathy, go hand in hand (but not in every case). Zoh's heart murmur was a 4/6, which is significant. They put Zoh on 3 meds which he took for the rest of his life, every day. Furosemide (lasix) for the fluid in the lungs, Atenolol, a blood pressure med, and one more bp mes, I cannot remember the name of, but he got better. I was told cats with cardiomyopathy rarely live long, and Zoh lived 2 more years till he succumbed to a heart attack and died in my arms, in my room. I am hoping this info of my experience with heart murmurs might give you something to talk about to your vet. I would def ask what the meds are, what class, and why he is prescribing them, as well as get a definite diagnosis/prognosis in his professional opinion. It sounds like he did not give you enough info. And, I would say the echocardiogram is very important to get, even if it is a bit pricey and you might have to go a little distance to find a place to get it done. most vets do not have one in their office, although if your cat is breathing hard, ask for a chest xray, for starters. (Not as expensive, either. lol)Good luck. Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= I'm Kat Parker. I park cats. Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE HAPPY cat! -- Forwarded message -- From: czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com To: feline leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:56:47 + Subject: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur
Thank you family!!! I typed a long note yesterday and aborted it. Yes, I was not happy with being advised what med to put both Pookashay Meaow on without any explanations. The state facility is a great idea. I ordered the GNC vegetarian formula CoQ 10 on Saturday. Natalie, You are really high on it. This note is primarily about Meaow and his bloody diarrhea. I am going to digress. He tore up the back of my hand last night when he got by me through the bedroom door into the main part of the apartment. I have been leaving him out of the cage thinking that would be less stressful. He attacked an older fe leukemia + female. He has now attacked all the females of my home circle. I am on antibiotics for the 4th time due to him since the beginning of October. Yes, I remember well last summer's discussion about who controls the doors. He is back in the cage. He crunched down on her tail so she can no longer lift her tail. I intervened without protection. Sunday morning there was a 1/3 gob of clotting blood on the bathroom floor. I had put him in there while I cleaned the bedroom cages. Part of this morning's bowel movement was hard formed the remainder was formed and contained a lot more liquid. I bought some Paul Newman canned will feed that exclusviely tonight. have not tried yogurt. last night fed cooked beef liver and milk and cooked sweet potato, . . . quit the variety? He is on a waiting list for the local SPCA. I have identified him as a biter to them. he is a sweetie as I have said before who wants to claim me. I am attached to him but no way can it be. thanks for listening. ideas? I go back to the vet on Saturday. will tell her about your comments. thank you. cz Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:14:32 -0500 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur Animals (and people) with any heart problems need CoQ10 desperately! Between 30 mg and 50 mg daily! One of our cats has cardiomyopathy and renal failure…she was diagnosed 1 ½ yrs. ago. She’s on a few drugs and sub-q fluids and I also supplement her with CoQ10 – she’s doing really well. We don’t know how long she’s had the problem…she’s about 12 yrs. old now. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kat Parker Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 10:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur There are varying degrees of heart murmurs in cats. They are measures in fractions of 6. For instance, a 2 out of 6, or 2/6, is not as serious a a 4/6. We had a cat who was diagnosed with a murmur, and we did not have the money to get further testing done on him at that time because he was fresh off the street, A stray that just followed me inside one day after I had fed him. lol He looked awful, mainly because he had been living as a stray with a bad flea allergy. What a fantastic cat he proved to be! Well, all was ell for about 6 months, then he started fainting (syncope), and we were told to get the echo done. We did, at a specialist here in San Diego, with the help of some awesome MySpace friends and a chip in, and it was learned then that he had cardiomyopathy with pulmonary edema and aortic stenosis. His lungs were so full of liquid and his heart had the all too common cardiomyopathy cats get. I was told by the specialty hospital vet that it often happens that these disorders, heart murmur and cardiomyopathy, go hand in hand (but not in every case). Zoh's heart murmur was a 4/6, which is significant. They put Zoh on 3 meds which he took for the rest of his life, every day. Furosemide (lasix) for the fluid in the lungs, Atenolol, a blood pressure med, and one more bp mes, I cannot remember the name of, but he got better. I was told cats with cardiomyopathy rarely live long, and Zoh lived 2 more years till he succumbed to a heart attack and died in my arms, in my room. I am hoping this info of my experience with heart murmurs might give you something to talk about to your vet. I would def ask what the meds are, what class, and why he is prescribing them, as well as get a definite diagnosis/prognosis in his professional opinion. It sounds like he did not give you enough info. And, I would say the echocardiogram is very important to get, even if it is a bit pricey and you might have to go a little distance to find a place to get it done. most vets do not have one in their office, although if your cat is breathing hard, ask for a chest xray, for starters. (Not as expensive, either. lol)Good luck. Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= I'm Kat Parker. I park cats. Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE HAPPY cat! -- Forwarded message -- From: czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com To: feline leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur
*There are varying degrees of heart murmurs in cats. They are measures in fractions of 6. For instance, a 2 out of 6, or 2/6, is not as serious a a 4/6. We had a cat who was diagnosed with a murmur, and we did not have the money to get further testing done on him at that time because he was fresh off the street, A stray that just followed me inside one day after I had fed him. lol He looked awful, mainly because he had been living as a stray with a bad flea allergy. What a fantastic cat he proved to be! Well, all was ell for about 6 months, then he started fainting (syncope), and we were told to get the echo done. We did, at a specialist here in San Diego, with the help of some awesome MySpace friends and a chip in, and it was learned then that he had cardiomyopathy with pulmonary edema and aortic stenosis. His lungs were so full of liquid and his heart had the all too common cardiomyopathy cats get. I was told by the specialty hospital vet that it often happens that these disorders, heart murmur and cardiomyopathy, go hand in hand (but not in every case). Zoh's heart murmur was a 4/6, which is significant. They put Zoh on 3 meds which he took for the rest of his life, every day. Furosemide (lasix) for the fluid in the lungs, Atenolol, a blood pressure med, and one more bp mes, I cannot remember the name of, but he got better. I was told cats with cardiomyopathy rarely live long, and Zoh lived 2 more years till he succumbed to a heart attack and died in my arms, in my room. I am hoping this info of my experience with heart murmurs might give you something to talk about to your vet. I would def ask what the meds are, what class, and why he is prescribing them, as well as get a definite diagnosis/prognosis in his professional opinion. It sounds like he did not give you enough info. And, I would say the echocardiogram is very important to get, even if it is a bit pricey and you might have to go a little distance to find a place to get it done. most vets do not have one in their office, although if your cat is breathing hard, ask for a chest xray, for starters. (Not as expensive, either. lol)Good luck. ** Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= **I'm Kat Parker. I park cats.** * *Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE HAPPY cat!* -- Forwarded message -- From: czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com To: feline leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:56:47 + Subject: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool
Beth Kelley, thank you. have looked at the site. now have a direction. Bless us all. cz m From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:26:22 -0600 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool Czadna, Beth is right, there is a great Yahoo group for cats with heart murmurs. The url is http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ You really do need to have an echo done by a feline cardiologist. They can usually be found at the ag college in your state. Now, as far as the heart meds interacting with the leukemia meds, I don't know - you might have to have both vets talk. Anyway, that group was immensely helpful to me when my MIssy was diagnosed with a heart murmur. Good luck, Kelley and Missy On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Heart murmurs can get worse with time. They might not require meds at first but may later. Usually they have you go for an echocardiogram. My cat was on 5 pills per day. I believe there is a Yahoo group for cats with this condition. They may be more helpful than this list. Beth czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool
The best thing you can do for your cat, before you even see a specialist, is to immediately get some CoQ10, GNC Vegetarian type (it comes in powder form in a capsule instead of oil in a gel cap). Get the 100 mg, and mix one half of it daily into food tasteless. I have used it on a cat that has a heart and kidney problem for the past 1 ½ years she is doing extremely well. All FIV/FeLV and older cats get it as well. This does not interfere with FeLV, in fact, helps. Any really good doctor should recommend CoQ10 for any heart problem, as well as gum and tooth diseases. For blood in stool has it been analyzed? If its fresh blood, something is the matter at the very end or it could be a case of just a very irritated bowel. How about trying to put some probiotics or acidophilus in to food and see what happens? Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:07 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool Beth Kelley, thank you. have looked at the site. now have a direction. Bless us all. cz m _ From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:26:22 -0600 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool Czadna, Beth is right, there is a great Yahoo group for cats with heart murmurs. The url is http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ You really do need to have an echo done by a feline cardiologist. They can usually be found at the ag college in your state. Now, as far as the heart meds interacting with the leukemia meds, I don't know - you might have to have both vets talk. Anyway, that group was immensely helpful to me when my MIssy was diagnosed with a heart murmur. Good luck, Kelley and Missy On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Heart murmurs can get worse with time. They might not require meds at first but may later. Usually they have you go for an echocardiogram. My cat was on 5 pills per day. I believe there is a Yahoo group for cats with this condition. They may be more helpful than this list. Beth czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties%2a Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they cant complain about it, that they cant fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool
I have been using prebiotics for Casey wo has a problem with diahrrea. So far, it seems to be working because I don't find any looses stools in any of the boxes. Hadn't thought about that for urinary prblems. Homey has reoccuring problems with crystals in her urin. whenever I fid small clumps, I head for the cranberry supplement. It comes in a tube and I smear it on her paws and face so she will lick it off. She will not take meds in any form. That too is working. Will get some of the CoQ10 for both of them. Like you said won't hurt them. Thanks for that tip. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: The best thing you can do for your cat, before you even see a specialist, is to immediately get some CoQ10, GNC Vegetarian type (it comes in powder form in a capsule instead of oil in a gel cap). Get the 100 mg, and mix one half of it daily into food tasteless. I have used it on a cat that has a heart and kidney problem for the past 1 ½ years she is doing extremely well. All FIV/FeLV and older cats get it as well. This does not interfere with FeLV, in fact, helps. Any really good doctor should recommend CoQ10 for any heart problem, as well as gum and tooth diseases. For blood in stool has it been analyzed? If its fresh blood, something is the matter at the very end or it could be a case of just a very irritated bowel. How about trying to put some probiotics or acidophilus in to food and see what happens? Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:07 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool Beth Kelley, thank you. have looked at the site. now have a direction. Bless us all. cz m _ From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:26:22 -0600 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool Czadna, Beth is right, there is a great Yahoo group for cats with heart murmurs. The url is http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ You really do need to have an echo done by a feline cardiologist. They can usually be found at the ag college in your state. Now, as far as the heart meds interacting with the leukemia meds, I don't know - you might have to have both vets talk. Anyway, that group was immensely helpful to me when my MIssy was diagnosed with a heart murmur. Good luck, Kelley and Missy On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Heart murmurs can get worse with time. They might not require meds at first but may later. Usually they have you go for an echocardiogram. My cat was on 5 pills per day. I believe there is a Yahoo group for cats with this condition. They may be more helpful than this list. Beth czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http
[Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool
There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool
Heart murmurs can get worse with time. They might not require meds at first but may later. Usually they have you go for an echocardiogram. My cat was on 5 pills per day. I believe there is a Yahoo group for cats with this condition. They may be more helpful than this list. Beth czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool
Czadna, Beth is right, there is a great Yahoo group for cats with heart murmurs. The url is http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ You really do need to have an echo done by a feline cardiologist. They can usually be found at the ag college in your state. Now, as far as the heart meds interacting with the leukemia meds, I don't know - you might have to have both vets talk. Anyway, that group was immensely helpful to me when my MIssy was diagnosed with a heart murmur. Good luck, Kelley and Missy On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Heart murmurs can get worse with time. They might not require meds at first but may later. Usually they have you go for an echocardiogram. My cat was on 5 pills per day. I believe there is a Yahoo group for cats with this condition. They may be more helpful than this list. Beth czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
