Re: [Felvtalk] Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer

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Re: [Felvtalk] Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer

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I am .


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Re: [Felvtalk] Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer

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I'm not a new member. Been on here for about 4 years.

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[Felvtalk] Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer

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[Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

[Iva Lark Emily Seaberg]

Rebecca had a significant gum infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks 
ago and the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day for ten days, and 
Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and then once a day for 21 days. I started 
the Clindamyacin  about 7/8 days ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca 
has gradually developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse, to the point 
she had leaked a bit on the bed where she slept. I felt so bad for her! So I 
called the vet to see about stopping the Clinda or if there were other 
options/causes I should be concerned about.
 
The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium AD pill twice a day, and 
reduce the Prednisone to once a day and to switch to an antibiotic Metro 
something for a week. The vet said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She 
said it could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is that it may be a gut 
bacteria making her sick so the Metro should help with that. She really 
stressed that Becca is in full blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and 
is a ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay on top of this and if 
Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours she wants to do a stool sample culture. 
This is not my usual vet, who is still on vacation until next week.  Aside from 
the diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she didn’t finish all of her 
dinner last night which I can understand.
 
Should I be terribly concerned at this point? I almost felt like the vet was 
trying to panic me a bit and brace me for this being the end. How likely is 
that? I’m heading on my lunch to get her new meds, but I was going to go to the 
gym after work as usual but if I need to rush home after work instead I will. 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

[Susan Hoffman]

full blown AIDS  Does Rebecca have FIV (sometimes mistakenly referred to 
as kitty AIDS) or FeLV?

Metronidazole is the metro you're referring to.  It's typically prescribed 
for giardia and other intestinal parasites.

Unless this gets significantly worse, I would hold off on the stool sample till 
your regular vet gets back.  Half the time you get a negative on the fecal test 
only because the parasite has not reached sufficient mass to be detected on the 
test.  A lot of vets treat symptomatically.

Bonus with the metronidazole is that it supposedly will settle an upset tummy 
(I assume this is based on feedback from human patients) and may improve 
appetite.

Are you giving pill or liquid metronidazole?  The stuff is one of the worst 
tasting meds around.  I usually liquify and add a little sugar to make it more 
palatable.  



--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:57 AM
 Rebecca had a significant gum
 infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks ago and
 the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day for ten
 days, and Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and then once a
 day for 21 days. I started the Clindamyacin  about 7/8 days
 ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca has gradually
 developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse, to the
 point she had leaked a bit on the bed where she slept. I
 felt so bad for her! So I called the vet to see about
 stopping the Clinda or if there were other options/causes I
 should be concerned about.
  
 The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium AD pill
 twice a day, and reduce the Prednisone to once a day and to
 switch to an antibiotic Metro something for a week. The vet
 said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She said it
 could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is that it
 may be a gut bacteria making her sick so the Metro should
 help with that. She really stressed that Becca is in full
 blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and is a
 ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay on top of
 this and if Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours she wants
 to do a stool sample culture. This is not my usual vet, who
 is still on vacation until next week.  Aside from the
 diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she didn’t
 finish all of her dinner last night which I can understand.
  
 Should I be terribly concerned at this point? I almost felt
 like the vet was trying to panic me a bit and brace me for
 this being the end. How likely is that? I’m heading on my
 lunch to get her new meds, but I was going to go to the gym
 after work as usual but if I need to rush home after work
 instead I will. 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

[Gloria B. Lane]

I agree - sounds perhaps like this vet doesn't know much about FIV and  
full blown aids whatever that is.  Perhaps she's assuming kitty  
has some kind of lymphoma in the intestinal area.  I'd wait for the  
other vet to come back also.


The metro (Flagyl) sounds good.   I'm just wondering why kitty is on  
Prednisone, especially if kitty has no immune system.  1/4 Immodium  
sounds ok - I usually use old-fashioned Kao Pectin, although have to  
get the kind for animals at a farmers association store (NOT the  
grocery store, it can't be used on cats).


I usually use Panacur as an initial effort for kitty diarrhea,  
assuming parasite, then if that doesn't work, I go to something else.   
Sometime I cut the kitty diet back to canned or boiled chicken and  
white rice, to placate the digestive tract.


Never tried putting sugar in Clinda, but I'm inspired to try it  
sometime, thanks.


Gloria






On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:

full blown AIDS  Does Rebecca have FIV (sometimes mistakenly  
referred to as kitty AIDS) or FeLV?


Metronidazole is the metro you're referring to.  It's typically  
prescribed for giardia and other intestinal parasites.


Unless this gets significantly worse, I would hold off on the stool  
sample till your regular vet gets back.  Half the time you get a  
negative on the fecal test only because the parasite has not reached  
sufficient mass to be detected on the test.  A lot of vets treat  
symptomatically.


Bonus with the metronidazole is that it supposedly will settle an  
upset tummy (I assume this is based on feedback from human patients)  
and may improve appetite.


Are you giving pill or liquid metronidazole?  The stuff is one of  
the worst tasting meds around.  I usually liquify and add a little  
sugar to make it more palatable.




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melleph...@sbcglobal.net wrote:



From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:57 AM
Rebecca had a significant gum
infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks ago and
the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day for ten
days, and Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and then once a
day for 21 days. I started the Clindamyacin  about 7/8 days
ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca has gradually
developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse, to the
point she had leaked a bit on the bed where she slept. I
felt so bad for her! So I called the vet to see about
stopping the Clinda or if there were other options/causes I
should be concerned about.

The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium AD pill
twice a day, and reduce the Prednisone to once a day and to
switch to an antibiotic Metro something for a week. The vet
said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She said it
could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is that it
may be a gut bacteria making her sick so the Metro should
help with that. She really stressed that Becca is in full
blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and is a
ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay on top of
this and if Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours she wants
to do a stool sample culture. This is not my usual vet, who
is still on vacation until next week.  Aside from the
diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she didn’t
finish all of her dinner last night which I can understand.

Should I be terribly concerned at this point? I almost felt
like the vet was trying to panic me a bit and brace me for
this being the end. How likely is that? I’m heading on my
lunch to get her new meds, but I was going to go to the gym
after work as usual but if I need to rush home after work
instead I will.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

[Susan Hoffman]

With the really nasty tasting meds, like metronidazole and zithromax, I 
dissolve the pill in a tiny bit of water and then add either sugar or pancake 
syrup.  These meds have a nasty bitter taste and a significant aftertaste.  
Sweetener counters that taste some, enough to make it more palatable, enough so 
that the cat doesn't foam at the mouth so badly.

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:26 PM
 I agree - sounds perhaps like this
 vet doesn't know much about FIV and full blown aids
 whatever that is.  Perhaps she's assuming kitty has
 some kind of lymphoma in the intestinal area.  I'd wait
 for the other vet to come back also.
 
 The metro (Flagyl) sounds good.   I'm just
 wondering why kitty is on Prednisone, especially if kitty
 has no immune system.  1/4 Immodium sounds ok - I
 usually use old-fashioned Kao Pectin, although have to get
 the kind for animals at a farmers association store (NOT the
 grocery store, it can't be used on cats).
 
 I usually use Panacur as an initial effort for kitty
 diarrhea, assuming parasite, then if that doesn't work, I go
 to something else.  Sometime I cut the kitty diet back
 to canned or boiled chicken and white rice, to placate the
 digestive tract.
 
 Never tried putting sugar in Clinda, but I'm inspired to
 try it sometime, thanks.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
  full blown AIDS  Does Rebecca have FIV
 (sometimes mistakenly referred to as kitty AIDS) or FeLV?
  
  Metronidazole is the metro you're referring
 to.  It's typically prescribed for giardia and other
 intestinal parasites.
  
  Unless this gets significantly worse, I would hold off
 on the stool sample till your regular vet gets back. 
 Half the time you get a negative on the fecal test only
 because the parasite has not reached sufficient mass to be
 detected on the test.  A lot of vets treat
 symptomatically.
  
  Bonus with the metronidazole is that it supposedly
 will settle an upset tummy (I assume this is based on
 feedback from human patients) and may improve appetite.
  
  Are you giving pill or liquid metronidazole?  The
 stuff is one of the worst tasting meds around.  I
 usually liquify and add a little sugar to make it more
 palatable.
  
  
  
  --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
  
  From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:57 AM
  Rebecca had a significant gum
  infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks
 ago and
  the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day
 for ten
  days, and Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and
 then once a
  day for 21 days. I started the Clindamyacin 
 about 7/8 days
  ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca has
 gradually
  developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse,
 to the
  point she had leaked a bit on the bed where she
 slept. I
  felt so bad for her! So I called the vet to see
 about
  stopping the Clinda or if there were other
 options/causes I
  should be concerned about.
  
  The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium
 AD pill
  twice a day, and reduce the Prednisone to once a
 day and to
  switch to an antibiotic Metro something for a
 week. The vet
  said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She
 said it
  could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is
 that it
  may be a gut bacteria making her sick so the Metro
 should
  help with that. She really stressed that Becca is
 in full
  blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and
 is a
  ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay
 on top of
  this and if Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours
 she wants
  to do a stool sample culture. This is not my usual
 vet, who
  is still on vacation until next week.  Aside
 from the
  diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she
 didn’t
  finish all of her dinner last night which I can
 understand.
  
  Should I be terribly concerned at this point? I
 almost felt
  like the vet was trying to panic me a bit and
 brace me for
  this being the end. How likely is that? I’m
 heading on my
  lunch to get her new meds, but I was going to go
 to the gym
  after work as usual but if I need to rush home
 after work
  instead I will.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

[MaryChristine]

there's a whole subset of vets and individuals who insist upon considering
FIV the equivalent of HIV/AIDS (joel is of that school), and use not only
human terminology (ARC, full-blown AIDS, etc) but treating FIV with AZT and
the drug cocktails that are used in humans. luckily, i have never
encountered any of these folks in real life, as everything i've read shows
that while this might have made sense when the virus was first isolated in
the late 80s, subsequent research has shown that the viruses are not that
similar. (despite what we've just learned re: their both being
lentiviruses!)

so i'm with my friends here saying wait til your regular vet gets back! if
this one is claiming your cat is in some full-blown-HUMAN-disease, i'd be
terribly concerned, myself, especially if kitty is supposed to have FeLV and
not FIV to start with

folks, doesn't met often cause diarrhea, too, tho? i'm not accustomed to
clindamycin doing that, myself, tho it could just be the disturbance of the
intestinal flora. i go for yogurt or pumpkin before i add any other
antibugs.

MC


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Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

[Sally Davis]

Junior also took Clindamyacin it too is a nasty tastin drug. I used
probiotics when he got diarrhea. Like you say I do not think the Clinda gave
him the runs.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

[Gloria B. Lane]

I've never seen Flagyl cause diarrhea, but gave it to an older siamese  
the other day (had been giving him Panacur) and darned if he didn't  
have awful diarrhea (on the floor).  I was surprised.  I've never seen  
Clinda cause diarrhea.


Gloria



On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:30 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

there's a whole subset of vets and individuals who insist upon  
considering
FIV the equivalent of HIV/AIDS (joel is of that school), and use not  
only
human terminology (ARC, full-blown AIDS, etc) but treating FIV with  
AZT and

the drug cocktails that are used in humans. luckily, i have never
encountered any of these folks in real life, as everything i've read  
shows
that while this might have made sense when the virus was first  
isolated in
the late 80s, subsequent research has shown that the viruses are not  
that

similar. (despite what we've just learned re: their both being
lentiviruses!)

so i'm with my friends here saying wait til your regular vet gets  
back! if
this one is claiming your cat is in some full-blown-HUMAN-disease,  
i'd be
terribly concerned, myself, especially if kitty is supposed to have  
FeLV and

not FIV to start with

folks, doesn't met often cause diarrhea, too, tho? i'm not  
accustomed to
clindamycin doing that, myself, tho it could just be the disturbance  
of the

intestinal flora. i go for yogurt or pumpkin before i add any other
antibugs.

MC


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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

[Sharyl]

Iva, you have already received some great advise.  All any of us can do is 
relate our experiences.  I've had 6 indoor positive kitties mixed with my 
negatives who had their FeLV vaccine and booster.  My negatives get an annual 
FeLV vaccine.  My positives are rescues born with FeLV.  I've lost 3 before 
they were a yr old but the other 3 are 1 and 2 yrs old.  I also have a colony 
I'm TNRing where at least 2 of the females are positive.  It's been 2 yrs since 
I have them spayed and they are still doing OK in the colony.  

I'm glad to read that you have reconsidered PTS.  You don't need to give your 
vet any research as to why you want to keep Becca.  She is your kitty and it is 
your decision.  If the vet won't support your decision then find another vet.
Sharyl

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 From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:50 AM
 My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was
 diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief history: I adopted
 Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart
 when they were a few months old. They had both been tested
 FeLV negative. But I did notice that a week after I brought
 them home Becca developed large lymph nodes around her neck
 that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought nothing of it and
 thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both came
 home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just
 reacting to it pretty badly. 
  
 Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and
 Casanova) from my neighbor, both FeLV
 negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around
 the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of
 them (Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well,
 a few months ago Kiera was diagnosed with FeLV and was in
 the end stages. She was only 11 months old. I had no choice
 but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed she
 already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped
 eating, and one of the tumors was blocking her intestines.
 There was no hope for her. It was extremely hard to take as
 she was the only furbaby I had really bonded with at that
 point.
  
 Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my
 remaining kitties. We still have no idea how they got it,
 but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart or the SPCA?  They
 are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other
 kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested
 my three remaining cats and one was positive. She has no
 symptoms aside from some bad gum inflammation. She's fairly
 healthy and extremely active. The vet recommended I put her
 to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed and
 the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after
 researching and looking around it appears that 1. If the
 other cats haven't caught it by now chances are they might
 not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy kitties are
 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties
 vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and
 think that after they get their boosters the odds might be
 even slimmer of them getting infected. For
  now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I
 was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other
 two kitties get their booster shots. 
  
 Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the
 others eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I
 don't want to continue to risk them either. It looks like
 based on my research it is rare for adult cats to get FeLV,
 and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a
 year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good?
 I have to call the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and
 ask for some antibiotics instead, and I want to have some
 good reasons to give her for my change of heart, along with
 some good documentation she can research. I figure I can
 always use the next three weeks to think the decision
 through but if I put her down I can't take it back.  I
 don't know how much longer I'd have with her... but doing
 this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. 
  
 I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last
 kitty, who died from Renal Failure. He was given a few
 months to live and lived for three years under my care. I'm
 not afraid of a little work if it means quality of life for
 her and more time together with minimal risk to my other
 angels.
  
 Help??
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Hi, Iva --

I'm so sorry you lost little Kiera. But that sounds like the right decision
to make for her. 

But for Becca -- you are absolutely right not to kill a healthy cat.  You've
taken the proper precautions with the other kitties. Others on this list
have discovered too late that one of their cats is positive, and still
their healthy cats have not caught FeLV.  You're right, an FeLV+ cat is not
a hotbed of infection to healthy, vaccinated adult cats.

I think probably a lot of people on this list will advise you to run
screaming from a vet who advises euthanizing a cat just in case. You don't
have to justify your decision not to kill Becca to anyone including the vet.
If she's not good with that, and will not use this as an opportunity to get
up to speed on FeLV (and continues to tell people to kill healthy cats!) you
should really look for another vet. You can call around and ask the vets'
philosophy on FeLV. 

Good luck with Becca. I know you'll get lots of good advice on this list.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Iva Lark Emily
Seaberg
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief
history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart
when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative.
But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large
lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought
nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both
came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to
it pretty badly. 
 
Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my
neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around
the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them
(Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera
was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months
old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed
she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and
one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It
was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded
with at that point.
 
Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We
still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart
or the SPCA?  They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other
kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three
remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad
gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet
recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed
and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and
looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now
chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy
kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties
vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after
they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting
infected. For  now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I
was planning on releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get
their booster shots. 
 
Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others
eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue
to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult
cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a
year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call
the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics
instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of
heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can
always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put
her down I can't take it back.  I don't know how much longer I'd have with
her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. 
 
I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died
from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three
years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of
life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels.
 
Help??
 
Iva
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

[MaryChristine]

regardless of how becca became infected, everyone in the house has
already been exposed to her by now, and euthanizing her is like the
proverbial shutting the barn door.

as others have said, adults cats have a very high level of immunity to
the virus--suggest that your vet read
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia
for the 70% stat. additionally, NEW research is showing that even in
those cats who do continue to test positive, some of them never
progress to becoming systematic, and are not actually contagious.
(that info was given in a petsmart webinar late last year, and i
haven't been able to find the actual citation.)

also, as mentioned, there is NO evidence of a vaccinated TRUE negative
(ie, one tested twice, with enough time in between tests for the virus
to actually have taken hold) ever to become positive from living with
a TRUE positive (likewise, one tested twice, to make sure that it
doesn't throw the virus off.) there are many folks who have had
vaccinated negatives living with positives for many years, with NO
infection.

everyone, and everything living is gonna die at some point--and when
we start killing off things because they MIGHT get sick at some point,
it doesn't bode well for any living thing. it's awful to find out that
one has inadvertently exposed one of our furkids to an illness, but
once it's happened, it's happened--i know i don't stop loving the
positive one

glad you found us.





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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

[Sander, Sue]

-+

Rebecca,  Thank you for this valuable information.

Susan 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

regardless of how becca became infected, everyone in the house has
already been exposed to her by now, and euthanizing her is like the
proverbial shutting the barn door.

as others have said, adults cats have a very high level of immunity to
the virus--suggest that your vet read
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=
feline%2cleukemia
for the 70% stat. additionally, NEW research is showing that even in
those cats who do continue to test positive, some of them never progress
to becoming systematic, and are not actually contagious.
(that info was given in a petsmart webinar late last year, and i haven't
been able to find the actual citation.)

also, as mentioned, there is NO evidence of a vaccinated TRUE negative
(ie, one tested twice, with enough time in between tests for the virus
to actually have taken hold) ever to become positive from living with a
TRUE positive (likewise, one tested twice, to make sure that it doesn't
throw the virus off.) there are many folks who have had vaccinated
negatives living with positives for many years, with NO infection.

everyone, and everything living is gonna die at some point--and when we
start killing off things because they MIGHT get sick at some point, it
doesn't bode well for any living thing. it's awful to find out that one
has inadvertently exposed one of our furkids to an illness, but once
it's happened, it's happened--i know i don't stop loving the positive
one

glad you found us.





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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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[Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

[Iva Lark Emily Seaberg]

My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief 
history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart 
when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative. But I 
did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large lymph 
nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought nothing of it 
and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both came home with 
ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to it pretty badly. 
 
Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my 
neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around the 
time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them (Kiera) developed 
the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera was diagnosed with 
FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months old. I had no choice but 
to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed she already had several 
large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and one of the tumors was 
blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It was extremely hard to 
take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded with at that point.
 
Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We still 
have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart or the 
SPCA?  They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other kitties 
outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three remaining cats and 
one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad gum inflammation. 
She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet recommended I put her to 
sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed and the appt is scheduled 
for tomorrow. However, after researching and looking around it appears that 1. 
If the other cats haven't caught it by now chances are they might not. The sick 
kitty is 2 years old, the healthy kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. 
I had the healthy kitties vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation 
and think that after they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of 
them getting infected. For
 now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I was planning on 
releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get their booster 
shots. 
 
Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others eventually 
test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue to risk them 
either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult cats to get 
FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a year) and are 
currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call the vet tomorrow 
to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics instead, and I want to 
have some good reasons to give her for my change of heart, along with some good 
documentation she can research. I figure I can always use the next three weeks 
to think the decision through but if I put her down I can't take it back.  I 
don't know how much longer I'd have with her... but doing this when she is so 
healthy just doesn't sit with me. 
 
I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died from 
Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three years 
under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of life for 
her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels.
 
Help??
 
Iva
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

[gary]

Many cats are naturally immune to FeLV.  We each have to make our own
decisions, but if I were in your situation I would not put Becca down and
would let her continue to live with the others.  I think it quite unlikely -
especially after being vaccinated - that they would contract FeLV.  Of
course, there are no guarantees.  Also, you would have to consider very
carefully if you were going to bring another kitty into the house while you
still have Becca.

Gary

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Iva Lark Emily
Seaberg
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction - Rebecca

My 2 year old cat Rebecca (Becca) was diagnosed with FeLV on Friday. A brief
history: I adopted Becca, along with another kitty Katherine, from PetSmart
when they were a few months old. They had both been tested FeLV negative.
But I did notice that a week after I brought them home Becca developed large
lymph nodes around her neck that disappeared in a few weeks. I thought
nothing of it and thought maybe she was fighting something off. They both
came home with ringworm so the vet and I assumed Becca was just reacting to
it pretty badly. 
 
Almost a year later I adopted two kittens (Kiera and Casanova) from my
neighbor, both FeLV negative. Shortly after I brought them home and around
the time they both got spayed/neutered at the SPCA one of them
(Kiera) developed the same swollen lymph nodes. Well, a few months ago Kiera
was diagnosed with FeLV and was in the end stages. She was only 11 months
old. I had no choice but to put her to sleep. By the time she was diagnosed
she already had several large tumors in her body, had stopped eating, and
one of the tumors was blocking her intestines. There was no hope for her. It
was extremely hard to take as she was the only furbaby I had really bonded
with at that point.
 
Well the vet said to wait a few months and test my remaining kitties. We
still have no idea how they got it, but I wonder if it happened at PetSmart
or the SPCA?  They are all indoor cats and have never been exposed to other
kitties outside of those two experiences. Anyway, we tested my three
remaining cats and one was positive. She has no symptoms aside from some bad
gum inflammation. She's fairly healthy and extremely active. The vet
recommended I put her to sleep to protect the other cats. I initially agreed
and the appt is scheduled for tomorrow. However, after researching and
looking around it appears that 1. If the other cats haven't caught it by now
chances are they might not. The sick kitty is 2 years old, the healthy
kitties are 2 years old and 15 months old. 2. I had the healthy kitties
vaccinated against FeLV on the vet's recommendation and think that after
they get their boosters the odds might be even slimmer of them getting
infected. For
 now I have isolated Becca to my master bedroom/bathroom. I was planning on
releasing her in three weeks after the other two kitties get their booster
shots. 
 
Am I making the right call? If I put Becca to sleep and the others
eventually test positve then I will be crushed! But I don't want to continue
to risk them either. It looks like based on my research it is rare for adult
cats to get FeLV, and if they have already been exposed for so long (over a
year) and are currently negative then aren't the odds good? I have to call
the vet tomorrow to cancel the euthanasia and ask for some antibiotics
instead, and I want to have some good reasons to give her for my change of
heart, along with some good documentation she can research. I figure I can
always use the next three weeks to think the decision through but if I put
her down I can't take it back.  I don't know how much longer I'd have with
her... but doing this when she is so healthy just doesn't sit with me. 
 
I should add, I got these four kitties to replace my last kitty, who died
from Renal Failure. He was given a few months to live and lived for three
years under my care. I'm not afraid of a little work if it means quality of
life for her and more time together with minimal risk to my other angels.
 
Help??
 
Iva


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RE: For Belinda, Rebecca, Janine, Marylyn, Clarissa, Becca

[clarissa- Floyd]

ignore the woman behind the curtain . clarissa is just an email i hang onto. 
Karen - Mansfield, Ohio 


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Re: For Belinda, Rebecca, Janine, Marylyn, Clarissa, Becca

[Brenda K. Smith]

Hi Kerry,
I live in Herbster, Wisconsin.  It is a very tiny little town in 
northern Wi.  Thanks Janine


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[Belinda]

   Hi Kerry,
  Belinda here, I'm in Sumner, Washington state.

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For Belinda, Rebecca, Janine, Marylyn, Clarissa, Becca

[Kerry MacKenzie]

Hi all I'm 
wrapping up the letter with all your wonderful testimonials about the joys of 
living with and/or caring for FeLV cats to Paula Fasseas in hopes she will, as 
she indicated, assign one of the rooms in her new shelter to FeLV cats. 
Could you please also let me have your city and 
state to add after your name- I'll just be using first names of course (eg 
"Gloria, Little Rock, Arkansas"). I already have MaryChristine's, Wendy's, 
Terri's and Gloria's, but not Belinda's, Rebecca's, Janine's, Marylyn's, 
Clarissa's or Becca's. Many thanks, Kerry

Re: For Belinda, Rebecca, Janine, Marylyn, Clarissa, Becca

[Becca DuBose]

Kerry,Madison, TN(Or you can use Nashville, TN since that's more familiar...Madison is a suburb.)BeccaKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi all I'm  wrapping up the letter with all your wonderful testimonials about the joys of  living with and/or caring for FeLV cats to Paula Fasseas in hopes she will, as  she indicated, assign one of the rooms in her new shelter to FeLV cats.  Could you please also let me have your city and  state to add after your name- I'll just be using first names of course (eg  "Gloria, Little Rock, Arkansas"). I
 already have MaryChristine's, Wendy's,  Terri's and Gloria's, but not Belinda's, Rebecca's, Janine's, Marylyn's,  Clarissa's or Becca's. Many thanks, Kerry 

Rebecca

[Lomaxturtle]

Hi Rebecca

Injecting at home is good if you can manage - much less stress. I can't 
remember if your kitties are vegan or not. Alternatively if you cat will eat 
chicken or anything that is manageable if your cat is vegan - (I have to do 
this to when I give mine tablets now). I put minute amounts into pieces of 
chicken (ready cooked and sliced - can't handle any other) - I usually spend 
ages just doing this and then they eat the whole pills in tiny crushed amounts. 
I poke a hole in the food (with plastic gloves on) and put a minute amount in 
and then squash the food back together. You could try that with any food your 
cat loves.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy,  Angel Bramble

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[catatonya]

Au contraire!!! There are lots of good vegetarian (maybe not vegan) fast foods in boxes now! :)t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  LOL, yeah ask Michelle how gross opening a cat of meat based cat food or tuna is forher! She's very descriptive about how much meat grosses her out. :-)~I used to be vegetarian for a while, but got lazy, and hamburg helper is about all weeat these days unless it come in a microwavable carton. They don't make easy quickvegetarian foods out of a box... which is too bad, because that makes me continue tobe a meat eater. If it involves more than one pot... I'm not cooking it.Anyways, we're all very tolerate of the vegans here, and try to understand theirpoint of view. I think you'll feel very welcomed
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Welcome Rebecca

[Lomaxturtle]

Hi Rebecca Welcome to group.

I too am 30 and vegan although I work in Psychology not audiology. My animals 
are not vegan although my dog goes mad for carrots. All 3 of my dogs went mad 
for carrots but I only have 1 left now - the others had to be put to sleep due 
to old age related ailments. In fact when my boy Deano was here he had about 6 
teeth out so we had to cook his carrots so they were soft following the 
operation. Then about 2 weeks later I caught him pinching a big raw carrot out 
of the bag and he lay for about 20 mins patiently grinding the carrot down with 
his front teeth - bless him. The vet prescribed carrots for Gemma who needed to 
lose weight at the time and all 3 got hooked. Now I only have Candy left of my 
dogs but she is still as hooked - we just give her a carrot to keep her quiet 
now.

Your comment about your ex boyfriend made me laugh too. My boyfriend would not 
have another pet when our recue Cat tidge died (unexpected FIV related 
illnesses) so I moved back home with my parents and took in 3 immune 
compromised cats from the sanctuary. We are still together but just don't see 
each other much nor live together which I prefer. I too wish I could afford to 
just cuddle up with the fur babies full time and dedicate my whole time to 
being a full time animal mother.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[veggiepugs]

Wow, I can't believe there are other vegans here. I hardly ever meet any. As 
far as carrots go, my pugs also go NUTS over them. They also go nuts over 
brussels sprouts. Go figure. lol. Lucy loves to eat, she'd eat the whole 
apartment if it were edible. Sometimes she is so stubborn to come inside that I 
have to yell CARROT! or COOKIE! and THEN she comes FLYING back inside. I 
love animals. They make life so interesting and fun. lol. Well, your boyfriend 
is luckier than mine was at the time. He's gone now. Got the boot. LOL. 
Actually it was otherwise related, but still, any guy who doesn't love animals 
like I do...there's gonna be a problem. They don't have to be vegan but they 
sure do have to love furkids, and my guy now is a gem. He is so gentle.

ANYWAY...thank you for the welcome Michelle. I look forward to sharing more 
about Brooklyn as we adjust and bond more with each other. 

Where is everyone from by the way? I'm from NY and live in Long Island. I just 
called about Innova and they have it at my local supply store. $11 and change 
for a 6 lb bag. Reasonable? I know everything is expensive in NY so I wouldn't 
be surprised if that's expensive.

-Rebecca


  ---Original Message---
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Welcome Rebecca
  Sent: Nov 22 '05 11:43
  
  Hi Rebecca Welcome to group.
  
  I too am 30 and vegan although I work in Psychology not audiology. My 
 animals are not vegan although my dog goes mad for carrots. All 3 of my dogs 
 went mad for carrots but I only have 1 left now - the others had to be put to 
 sleep due to old age related ailments. In fact when my boy Deano was here he 
 had about 6 teeth out so we had to cook his carrots so they were soft 
 following the operation. Then about 2 weeks later I caught him pinching a big 
 raw carrot out of the bag and he lay for about 20 mins patiently grinding the 
 carrot down with his front teeth - bless him. The vet prescribed carrots for 
 Gemma who needed to lose weight at the time and all 3 got hooked. Now I only 
 have Candy left of my dogs but she is still as hooked - we just give her a 
 carrot to keep her quiet now.
  
  Your comment about your ex boyfriend made me laugh too. My boyfriend would 
 not have another pet when our recue Cat tidge died (unexpected FIV related 
 illnesses) so I moved back home with my parents and took in 3 immune 
 compromised cats from the sanctuary. We are still together but just don't see 
 each other much nor live together which I prefer. I too wish I could afford 
 to just cuddle up with the fur babies full time and dedicate my whole time to 
 being a full time animal mother.
  
  Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble
  
  
  

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[Nina]

Hi Rebecca,
Gloria, (I think it was Gloria), found us this wonderful map thing
where we've started to post ourselves and locations. You can include a
picture too. Very cool.
http://www.frappr.com/felvtalk

It doesn't surprise me that you don't run into a lot of vegans in NY!
I remember when I first moved back east. I ordered a swiss cheese
sandwich and the guy behind the counter had to be convinced that I
really didn't want any type of meat on it! This was years ago, I doubt
you'd get that kind of response today.

Innova is expensive, but most cats just love it. I have a pretty large
household so I have to buy the big bag. No one in my immediate area
carries it and I keep thinking I should buy two bags at once to save on
trips, but every time I see the price tag I balk and just get one.
Real bright, huh? I'm not only inconveniencing myself with the added
trips, I'm spending more money on gas!
Nina

veggiepugs wrote:

  Wow, I can't believe there are other vegans here. I hardly ever meet any. As far as carrots go, my pugs also go NUTS over them. They also go nuts over brussels sprouts. Go figure. lol. Lucy loves to eat, she'd eat the whole apartment if it were edible. Sometimes she is so stubborn to come inside that I have to yell "CARROT!" or "COOKIE!" and THEN she comes FLYING back inside. I love animals. They make life so interesting and fun. lol. Well, your boyfriend is luckier than mine was at the time. He's gone now. Got the boot. LOL. Actually it was otherwise related, but still, any guy who doesn't love animals like I do...there's gonna be a problem. They don't have to be vegan but they sure do have to love furkids, and my guy now is a gem. He is so gentle.

ANYWAY...thank you for the welcome Michelle. I look forward to sharing more about Brooklyn as we adjust and bond more with each other. 

Where is everyone from by the way? I'm from NY and live in Long Island. I just called about Innova and they have it at my local supply store. $11 and change for a 6 lb bag. Reasonable? I know everything is expensive in NY so I wouldn't be surprised if that's expensive.

-Rebecca


  
  
 ---Original Message---
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Welcome Rebecca
 Sent: Nov 22 '05 11:43
 
 Hi Rebecca Welcome to group.
 
 I too am 30 and vegan although I work in Psychology not audiology. My animals are not vegan although my dog goes mad for carrots. All 3 of my dogs went mad for carrots but I only have 1 left now - the others had to be put to sleep due to old age related ailments. In fact when my boy Deano was here he had about 6 teeth out so we had to cook his carrots so they were soft following the operation. Then about 2 weeks later I caught him pinching a big raw carrot out of the bag and he lay for about 20 mins patiently grinding the carrot down with his front teeth - bless him. The vet prescribed carrots for Gemma who needed to lose weight at the time and all 3 got hooked. Now I only have Candy left of my dogs but she is still as hooked - we just give her a carrot to keep her quiet now.
 
 Your comment about your ex boyfriend made me laugh too. My boyfriend would not have another pet when our recue Cat tidge died (unexpected FIV related illnesses) so I moved back home with my parents and took in 3 immune compromised cats from the sanctuary. We are still together but just don't see each other much nor live together which I prefer. I too wish I could afford to just cuddle up with the fur babies full time and dedicate my whole time to being a full time animal mother.
 
 Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble
 
 
 

  
  


  

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[veggiepugs]

Yes, it is very common when feeding cats a vegan diet, that they get UTI's as a 
result of an improper PH balance. Vegancats.com therefore sells a product 
called Enzymes PH which helps and I think is great for any cat vegan or not 
that suffers w. UTI issues. If anyone's interested in the supplements they 
sell, they have a few good ones, ur cat doesn't have to be vegan to use them. 
lol. check them out...

http://vegancats.com/pages/1153/Dietary_Supplements.htm

I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your doggies. My heart aches for you. I 
would be the same. 

I feed my dogs Evolution vegan dog food canned and kibble. they LOVE it. And 
they are extremely healthy, in fact, in comparison to a lot of other pugs we 
know (i belong to a pug group on LI) they have exceptionally beautiful coats 
and are in good shape, whereas many pugs are overweight and have skin problems 
that we know. I tried once to switch them to another food, but Lucy's stomach 
did not do well on it. So, Evolution it is. Plus carrots, brussels sprouts, mr 
barkey's and mr pugsley's treats. lol. 

Thanks for sharing!
-Rebecca




  ---Original Message---
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Welcome Rebecca
  Sent: Nov 22 '05 12:22
  
  I'm vegan too.  And I think Del is also.  My dogs, when they were  alive,
  went crazy for broccoli stems.  We called them broccoli bones  because
  they would run off to their beds, lay with them between their paws, and
  eat them like bones.  They all died in the last 1.5 years, and to this day
  we can not cook broccoli.  We tried last week, but when my partner Gray
  cut  the stems off he started crying and said he still can not cook with
  it.  It  was such a ritual of cutting the stems off and calling to the
  dogs to come get  them.  Two of our dogs were vegan ate Wysong Vegan dry
  food) for most of  their lives, but the third ate food with meat because
  she was on diet  food.  At the end they all ate meat because two had
  cancer and we read that  they should not have much carbs.   I once tried
  the Wysong Vegan,  which says it is feline and canine, with a cat, but he
  got urinary crystals  right away, and the same happened with a friend's
  cats, so I never tried it  again.  I would be afraid to try to feed my
  positives vegan anyway.
  
  Michelle
  
  
  In a message dated 11/22/2005 12:14:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow, I   can't believe there are other
  vegans here. I hardly ever meet any. As far as   carrots go, my pugs also
  go NUTS over them. They also go nuts over brussels   sprouts. Go figure.
  lol. Lucy loves to eat, she'd eat the whole apartment if   it were edible.
  Sometimes she is so stubborn to come inside that I have to   yell CARROT!
  or COOKIE! and THEN she comes FLYING back inside. I love   animals. They
  make life so interesting and fun. lol. Well, your boyfriend is   luckier
  than mine was at the time. He's gone now. Got the boot. LOL. Actually   it
  was otherwise related, but still, any guy who doesn't love animals like I
  do...there's gonna be a problem. They don't have to be vegan but they sure
  do   have to love furkids, and my guy now is a gem. He is so   gentle.
  
  ANYWAY...thank you for the welcome Michelle. I look forward to   sharing
  more about Brooklyn as we adjust and bond more with each other.
  
  Where is everyone from by the way? I'm from NY and live in Long   Island.
  I just called about Innova and they have it at my local supply store.
  $11 and change for a 6 lb bag. Reasonable? I know everything is expensive
  in   NY so I wouldn't be surprised if that's  expensive.
  
  -Rebecca

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 11/22/05 12:14:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lucy 
  loves to eat, she'd eat the whole apartment if it were 
edible

Rebecca ~
Your Lucy sounds so much like my Lucy!!! I always say my Lucy will eat 
anything!!
She LOVES to eat...her favorite past~time.
She had to have surgery on her hips last year (FHO's on BOTH hips). 
And Lucy, being a cattle dog mix, ideally should weigh around 30 lbs. Yeah, 
right.
I had to put her on a diet prior to surgery, so I started adding more fresh 
veggies to her food What a riot! She is the only dog I have ever seen 
that actually picks OUT all her veggies and tosses them on the 
floor!!! She'd actually look up at me and whine like a baby when her meals 
consisted of too many veggies to her liking!! However, at the time it 
wasn't funny to me, cause she needed the surgery so badly BUT she had to loose 
weight.
Somehow, we managed to get the weight off and she had the 
surgery.
NOW, we are attempting the "diet" thing again cause she is going to need 
total hip replacements. I just LOVE her so much.
Midnight, my vegan dog loves bananas. That is how I"won" her over. She was 
returned to the shelter after being in a home for almost 8 years. Her "owners" 
(they do NOT qualify for the term guardian), never 
addressed her ear problems, so she was in so much pain that she had become 
aggressive. She was what my daughter called, "an evil dog". Who could blame 
her?? She was about to be banished to the kennel where the shelter (no kill) 
housed their aggressive dogs, and I couldn't bear to see that happen to her. So, 
I started to try to win her affections. And one day she was sitting next to me 
when I was eating lunch and she grabbed my banana and took off! I was amazed to 
see her scarfing down the entire banana, skin  all. So I started bringing 
an extra banana with me every day, and, yes, I did peel them. And, I have 
to say, it was the bananas that "sealed" our relationship! Too 
funny.
Anyway, once again I ramble.
I was born in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Lived there til I was eleven, then we 
moved out to Babylon. (We always had a summer house in Farmingville, until the 
construction of the LIE took that away from us!! Damn LIE ~ I still won't 
drive on it. And besides, it's TOO busy, makes me nervous as he!!.)
Now I'm in Pennsylvania, but I still LOVE  miss New York. Especially 
the city and the beaches
Where on the Island are you?? My sister's in West Islip. I still have 
family in Babylon, Patchogue, Freeport and Medford
There's no place like home.
Hugs,
Patti

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[veggiepugs]

Hah...Patti we have a lot of ties here...lol. My dogs love bananas too. Ever 
since I was a kid, I've loved a snack of bananas with maple syrup. As soon as I 
peel a banana, they pick up the scent and are hopping around me like little 
rabbits. lol. Lucy running in circles and jumping up on my legs and whining 
like she's a starving child. Oy vay. 
The drama. They also love, carrots and brussels sprouts as I mentioned, 
oranges, though I've stopped feeding them because I read about some toxicity 
issue with them and dogs, popcorn and chips which I don't feed them but maybe 
one or two ONCE in a blue moon, but Lucy still knows the word Chip. They know 
the word EAT too and I can't even spell it, they can understand the spelling 
too. Smart asses. Brooklyn is picking up on a lot of this, as soon as I open 
the fridge, he comes running and meowing. When I'm making his food...oh my, 
exactly like the pugs, he jumps up on his hind legs, reaches his front paws out 
to as far up towards the counter as he can as if to say Please, give it to me, 
I'm dying of starvation, I can't wait any longer! He jumped up and knocked 
down all the food the other day because he couldn't wait anymore! Whenever I 
give the dogs a cookie/treat, he comes and wants some too. He is so hilarious. 
He's fit in so ridiculously fast and so perfectly. I am astounded. He's like 
another dog. A very mellow, sleek and agile dog. LOL. I can't get over his 
begging and his talking. It tickles me pink (what an odd expression). lol.

Babylon huh? My boyfriend lives in Deer Park. He's a volunteer fireman there. 
His ancestry traces back to Brooklyn though, mostly in Park Slope. 

The LIE can be horrible definitely. Thank goodness I don't have to use it 
often, but the southern state is even worse if you ask me, and that, i get 
stuck on regularly. I live in North Massapequa which is a really nice family 
oriented area. I live in a basement apartment under an AMAZINGLY understanding 
and very cool landlady in her late 60's. I honestly could never leave because I 
am so spoiled living there. We're all like family. She and her son and his 
family live upstairs and they have 2 dogs, a cat, 3 birds, a lizard, a guinea 
pig and I'm sure there's something else I'm missing but unfortunately they're 
not the best guardians. Not terrible, but not the best. At least they love 
their animals. What a house huh? Altogether 4 dogs, 2 cats, 2 rabbits, 3 birds, 
a guinea pig, a lizard, some fish and coming soon...a partridge in a pear tree. 
lol. I crack myself up (hey someone's got to laugh at my corny jokes). lol. 

Hugs. It's so great to be here. The support and just having people to talk to 
who can relate on so many levels is great. I'll have more about Brooklyn on 
Saturday.

GEEZ talk about babbling. I win.

Hugs,
Rebecca

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[Lernermichelle]

My dog Chip loved bananas too. One time I left the house and then 
realized I had forgotten something and went back in, and a whole bunch of 
bananas was lying on one of the dog beds, and Chip was sort of looking up at the 
ceiling like "I was just standing here looking at the ceiling. Don't know how 
they got there."Michelle

In a message dated 11/22/2005 1:48:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My dogs 
  love bananas too

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[veggiepugs]

i love speaking for what our animals might say if they could talk. lol. 


  ---Original Message---
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Welcome Rebecca
  Sent: Nov 22 '05 13:49
  
  My dog Chip loved bananas too.  One time I left the house and then
  realized I had forgotten something and went back in, and a whole bunch of
  bananas was lying on one of the dog beds, and Chip was sort of looking up
  at the  ceiling like I was just standing here looking at the ceiling.
  Don't know how  they got there.
  Michelle
  
  
  In a message dated 11/22/2005 1:48:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My dogs   love bananas too

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[felv]

LOL, yeah ask Michelle how gross opening a cat of meat based cat food or tuna 
is for
her! She's very descriptive about how much meat grosses her out. :-)~

I used to be vegetarian for a while, but got lazy, and hamburg helper is about 
all we
eat these days unless it come in a microwavable carton. They don't make easy 
quick
vegetarian foods out of a box... which is too bad, because that makes me 
continue to
be a meat eater. If it involves more than one pot... I'm not cooking it.

Anyways, we're all very tolerate of the vegans here, and try to understand their
point of view. I think you'll feel very welcomed here!

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal.
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
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Re: Welcome Rebecca

[felv]

I'm living in Vermont now. I pay $34 for a 16 pound bag of the Innova Evo here, 
and
$28 for a 16.5 pound bag of the Innova Lite. I never buy small bags, so I'm not 
sure
about the prices of those, though $11 sounds within reason, as you always pay 
more if
you buy in smaller amounts.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a 
world of
difference for that one animal.
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!



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RE: Welcome Rebecca

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Ha--I think it's vegans that need to be tolerant of the rest of us :)
(Wish I had what it takes---I almost hosted a vegan TH this year but it
fell apart this am---however the friends whose house I'm going to will
*not* be having turkey on the table)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Welcome Rebecca


LOL, yeah ask Michelle how gross opening a cat of meat based cat food or
tuna is for
her! She's very descriptive about how much meat grosses her out. :-)~

I used to be vegetarian for a while, but got lazy, and hamburg helper is
about all we
eat these days unless it come in a microwavable carton. They don't make
easy quick
vegetarian foods out of a box... which is too bad, because that makes me
continue to
be a meat eater. If it involves more than one pot... I'm not cooking it.

Anyways, we're all very tolerate of the vegans here, and try to
understand their
point of view. I think you'll feel very welcomed here!

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will
make a world of
difference for that one animal.

~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address
to send them
to!



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Re: Welcome Rebecca

[TatorBunz]

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I'm sure your finding out all kinds of information here.
I want to say that I lurk but still and try read all the postings.
I send many good wishes to your kitty. The kitty is very lucky to have you!
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Re: Welcome Rebecca

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 11/22/05 2:58:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and 
  hamburg helper is about all weeat these 

You can substitute Morningstar Farms Burger Crumbles for the ground 
beef

Re: Welcome Rebecca

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 11/22/05 3:13:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ha--I 
  think it's vegans that need to be tolerant of the rest of us :)(Wish I 
  had what it takes---I almost hosted a vegan TH this year but itfell apart 
  this am---however the friends whose house I'm going to will*not* be having 
  turkey on the table)

Kerry,
That's a kind observation
And, one year I had my family to my house for Thanksgiving mainly because I 
was tired of them thinking I lived on tofu  bean sprouts, so I wanted to 
set the record straight.( My Dad always worried, said I was "too thin" so 
I "couldn't be eating right".)
It was a huge success, everyone I think, was "surprised" that there were so 
many options AND that the food itself was delicious.
However, that was over 10 years ago and it was the last Thanksgiving Dinner 
I hosted for my family.(Their "excuse" is always, "We miss the leftover 
turkey."Whatever...LOL!)
So, I will have Tofurkey, and share my dinner with Midnight.

Patti

Re: Liners/Rebecca

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 11/22/05 5:01:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i do i 
  do! 

YIKES!!!
Yet ANOTHER common thing!!!

Welcome Rebecca!

[PEC2851]

In a message dated 11/22/05 1:48:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is 
  a hot topic whenever I bring it up, and I always hesitate to do so, but I want 
  to put it out there. I am a vegan and my dogs are also on a vegan diet for 
  almost 4 years now, vet supervised and are doing 
fantastically

Welcome to the group from a fellow-vegan!
It's always nice to meet others sharing the same life style. Reading your 
last post I notice other "common" things ~
Brooklyn - Special place for me too. Was born  raised 
there.
Lucy - I have a Lucy, a cattle dog X (One of my four canine companions, by 
far the most needy, very neurotic - I am so totally in love with her!)
Midnight - my vegan dog (Due to food allergies, we sometimes "share" our 
meals

Interestingly, I fostered 2 kittens who were on vegan diets due to 
allergies. (I had to give taurine supplement, but after rescuing these 2 from 
death's door, when their problem was diagnosed, they thrived!!!)

Anyway, you will find the peopleon this list to be very 
knowledgeable, supportive, super-friendly and non-judgemental!!
I think this has got to be one of the best groups of people I've ever had 
the pleasure of being in a "cyber" community with. Hopefully, you will 
too.

I am sorry that Brooklyn's Felv+ status is what led you here..
But, you will get so much information on EVERY 
aspect of sharing your life with a Felv+ companion, along with all 
kinds of helpful information concerning diet, general health care, and so much 
more!!
Most of all, you will get tons of support and there's always someone with 
an ear to listen or a shoulder to cry on....

Welcome to the group Rebecca!!
Wishing you  Brooklyn many happy years ahead!
Hugs,
Patti