Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy

[Ardy Robertson]

Yes, he had the vaccination and quit eating/drinking so they gave him sub-cu
fluids and put him on some pills. I read the side effects of the pills and
it said it could cause convulsions in puppies but there had never been a
recorded case of convulsions in cats. Scotchy had a convulsion and died. I
told them that it must have been a side effect of the pills but they didn't
think so. I believe it all started with the rabies vaccination. Now, I do
not vaccinate my cats for rabies if they are going to be lifetime house
cats. I had to get a stray cat vaccinated for rabies because I was getting
her spayed and they would not spay until she was vaccinated. She turned into
a very expensive stray because I took her in to be fixed, and they did an
ultrasound and found babies! So we had to wait until her babies were born to
get her spayed. I was able to find good homes for all 4 of the babies.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy

On 10-25, Ardy Robertson wrote:

> Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they insisted 
> on testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws into my arm 
> hanging onto me for dear life when I took him back to the vet. They 
> said they had to be sure he didn't have rabies in which case I would 
> have been exposed. I had to pay $100 for them to send his head to 
> Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really encouraging me to 
> pay $700 to send his whole body down there.
> Hello!! I already had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole 
> body they could do it without my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried not 
> to think about what was going to happen.)
-
How awful for you. I'm sorry you lost Scotchy and went thru that ordeal.
Did he die due to a reaction from his rabies vaccination?

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy

[Ardy Robertson]

No the rabies vaccination started out at a small mom and pop type of vet
office which has now closed, the people retired. They were very nice, but I
am wondering if the vaccination was old or something because they didn't
have much business. They sent me to a larger place that had sub-cu fluids.
And they are the ones that gave the pills which I believe caused the
convulsions.

The second place happens to be the emergency hospital I took Tigger the
first night when he had a fever. They gave him antibiotic pills, sub-cu
fluids and pain liquid in syringes.

I have a "regular" vet office which I go to because Tigg likes the folks
there and they are the ones that detected the FeLV, although they are the
ones that tested him for it 5 years prior. I guess it's not their fault that
he had a negative which really was not negative??? They are very willing to
try anything to help him though.

And the last office I use is close to my home but they are the ones that
really need to be educated not to immediately euthanize. They are now better
than before because they have a bunch of new vets that Tigger likes now. He
did not like one of the that hit a bone when giving him a shot one time and
he really let him know it :)

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 5:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy



Is this all the same Vet? Are you in the US?

-Original Message-----
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Oct 25, 2015 10:16 PM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy
>
>Yes, he had the vaccination and quit eating/drinking so they gave him 
>sub-cu fluids and put him on some pills. I read the side effects of the 
>pills and it said it could cause convulsions in puppies but there had 
>never been a recorded case of convulsions in cats. Scotchy had a 
>convulsion and died. I told them that it must have been a side effect 
>of the pills but they didn't think so. I believe it all started with 
>the rabies vaccination. Now, I do not vaccinate my cats for rabies if 
>they are going to be lifetime house cats. I had to get a stray cat 
>vaccinated for rabies because I was getting her spayed and they would 
>not spay until she was vaccinated. She turned into a very expensive 
>stray because I took her in to be fixed, and they did an ultrasound and 
>found babies! So we had to wait until her babies were born to get her
spayed. I was able to find good homes for all 4 of the babies.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Lorrie
>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:13 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scotchy
>
>On 10-25, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>
>> Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they 
>> insisted on testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws into 
>> my arm hanging onto me for dear life when I took him back to the vet. 
>> They said they had to be sure he didn't have rabies in which case I 
>> would have been exposed. I had to pay $100 for them to send his head 
>> to Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really encouraging me 
>> to pay $700 to send his whole body down there.
>> Hello!! I already had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole 
>> body they could do it without my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried not 
>> to think about what was going to happen.)
>-
>How awful for you. I'm sorry you lost Scotchy and went thru that ordeal.
>Did he die due to a reaction from his rabies vaccination?
>
>Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

[Ardy Robertson]

This is a tad off topic but I have a friend who bought a chocolate lab puppy
supposed to be certified or whatever to have healthy hips, because labs are
prone to hip dysplasia or something like that. Anyway, after their family
fell in love with the puppy and it was firmly a member of their family,
"Tasha" developed a painful hip problem. The vet said the dog would probably
need surgery and quoted them a ballpark of a couple thousand dollars. They
contacted the breeder they had purchased the dog from who told them he would
give them a puppy from the next litter. Of course that was probably all he
could offer at that time but I thought it was kinda cold sounding after they
already loved THEIR dog!

At any rate, I gave my friend a small Homedics brand battery-operated
massager ($6.00) like one that my hubby uses on his shoulder and for sciatic
nerve pain in his legs, and he tried it on the dog's hips. Later on he was
going to give it back to me and I told him I had meant for him to keep it.
He said they had purchased one because the dog loves it so much. He said
Tasha actually goes and gets it in his mouth and brings it to them for them
to use on his hips, and now the vet says he may not need surgery. I think it
stimulated blood flow / oxygen to the area and has made quite a difference.
Such a simple, cheap therapy!


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:08 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

Lorrie

I completely agree with you, but the law often lags behind the views of
society, and if legislators don't push forward these issues, the law can
remain mired in the dark ages. As "property", the law only considers animals
to be worth their replacement value, period. They don't "deserve respect" in
the eyes of the law, because they are the equivalent of a lawn mower or
chair. Of course this is totally out of step with the views of most
Canadians and Americans, and other nationalities around the world, and there
is the occasional judge who recognizes that fact, but you sure can't count
on it when starting litigation. In the U.S., it is possible to initiate
litigation for significant numbers, claiming punitive or aggravated damages,
but I would guess that only in circumstances where a vet has been overtly
and deliberately cruel would there be in the potential for someone to be
successful in advancing those kinds of heads of damages.

There was a discussion on my legal chatline some time ago, regarding an
unpleasant divorce. The husband had promised to look after the wife's cats
until she found a place to stay. Instead, he took her cats in to the local
shelter. The shelter refused to let the woman know who had adopted the cats,
or if they even had been adopted. The lawyer representing the wife was
asking the rest of us lawyers, if there was anything he could do in terms of
going after the husband for this nasty behaviour, and sure enough, all the
lawyers told him that there was no legal basis to pursue damages related to
what he had done. I was the only one on my chatline saying that if MY
husband EVER handed over my cats during a family dispute, then he had been
run and just keep on running. But that's taking the law into my own hands,
of course. The courts are unlikely to do much, nor do they have the legal
grounds to do something, even if they wanted to do so.

Amani

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Lorrie
Sent: October-25-15 8:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". 
> That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes.  As property, 
> do they not have any value?  They deserve respect at the very least.
> Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, 
> respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he 
> can.  Someone once said he would use them for target practice.  I told 
> him he would be lying on the ground next to them.
-
I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten
about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle
of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to
his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is
still with us, spayed, happy and loved.
-
Lorrie
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Good point!!

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
swacht1...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

another reason for warming the food is that in the “wild” they ate what they 
killed – and it was warm blooded.

 

From: Ardy Robertson <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net>  

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 8:19 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

One thing I do for my Tigger is “ever so slightly” warm the food in the 
microwave….like 10 seconds, not to make it very warm at all, but it sort of 
makes the aroma stronger, thus making the food more inviting. Any more than a 
few seconds might make it too warm and would scare him because he seems to be 
afraid of food that is too warm.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:45 AM
To: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net <mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> 
>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Margo,

Thanks for the warning about the iron injections.  Peaches is very fussy about 
her food, so I am not sure if she will put up with Pet-Tinic, but I might give 
it a try.  She was low on potassium, and even the lightest sprinkle of 
potassium gluconate powder in her food would cause her to reject i, though 
sometimes she would eat some of it.  Tried the K gel also.  Even one drop of 
fish oil also makes her reject her food, even if it happens to be 
fish-flavored!!  So I focused on offering the most nutritious food possible, 
frequently, and changing it up (both flavor and texture) constantly to get her 
to eat more, thus taking in more nutrients.  No sub-q fluids for her, as she is 
drinking plenty of water on her own.

Marsha

On 10/28/2015 6:36 AM, Margo wrote:

Hi Marsha,

  I've only used Epogen (Erythropoetin) for cats with CRF, but it's 
been a while, and this may be a better option. The Epogen did the job for us.

  I just wanted to suggest that if you can get the iron into her in 
another way, I would consider that. Iron injections (usually dextran) HURT! And 
yes, I know from personal experience ;) If she's getting sub-q fluids, you can 
add it at the end, and it may be dilute enough to be less painful, but iron is 
absorbed well orally. This is what I use, and some cats actually have followed 
me for it ;

http://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Pet-Tinic-Liquid-Vitamin-Mineral-Supplement-for-Dogs-and-Cats_p_2533.html?preselopt=7142
 
<http://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Pet-Tinic-Liquid-Vitamin-Mineral-Supplement-for-Dogs-and-Cats_p_2533.html?preselopt=7142=Cj0KEQjw5MGxBRDiuZm2icXX2-sBEiQA619bq5hS3AFWV5jo5f133RPoNEAdq7uoC6pc0ciV4_TcV4caAgqg8P8HAQ>
 
=Cj0KEQjw5MGxBRDiuZm2icXX2-sBEiQA619bq5hS3AFWV5jo5f133RPoNEAdq7uoC6pc0ciV4_TcV4caAgqg8P8HAQ

HTH

Margo

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bella

[Ardy Robertson]

So very sorry…..

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of simon95
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:49 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bella

 

 

My sweet little girl crossed over yesturday.she was 4 years old. So sad

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you very much for this information Amani.

Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they 
somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the disease. My 
thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat to baby, and of 
course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of poorly-cared-for 
cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to be responsible 
enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that cats that are over 
11 months of age probably have enough of an immune system to not get the 
disease even if they are near positive cats. Although I would not take that 
chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around other cats.

Thanks,

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but for some 
reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting:

 

 

 

From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by bulking up 
the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong ability to treat 
serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell producing cells in the 
bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the kidneys. Erythropoietin is the 
substance that the body produces that tells it to make more red cells.

 

It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be used 
with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics, etc., 
without interfering with their activity.

 

My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled because 
it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes (they use it to 
become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from workouts faster), so it 
became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is tough to get sometimes. Also, 
there was a scientific study suggesting liver damage with its use, but the rest 
of the scientific literature just doesn’t seem to have borne this out and it 
certainly isn’t my experience. So here we have this relatively inexpensive, 
fairly effective option, with little downside risk, and quick effects usually, 
and the vets would rather tell us there is no hope and to euthanize our cats, 
than suggest this medication.

 

I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up in the 
echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I have had 
this discussion on many occasions!

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: October-20-15 11:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Thank you so much Amani – it really sounds like you have done your homework!! 
And that’s just it – this happened so fast and took us so off-guard that I 
didn’t have any knowledge of what to do. We took him in on a Sunday night, and 
after putting some “puzzle pieces” together, I think he was getting sick for a 
while and I just did not pick up on it. We had been gone for a couple days, 
then we had company at our house so he was kind of out of sight and I figured 
he just didn’t like the people, when actually he usually loves people. He had 
felt hot a couple of times, but both times he was lying on a window sill with 
the sun shining directly on him. Our regular vet was out so a different animal 
hospital was filling in. They gave him fluids and antibiotics as well as pain 
liquid and sent us home. No blood test.

 

The next day our regular vet did xrays and found an enlarged lymph node 
somewhere near his tummy I think, so that’s why they did the blood work and 
found the FeLV. They were also the ones that did the FeLV test 5 years prior 
when we found him as a kitten. They changed to an antibiotic 10-day shot for 
what they thought was a bite from another cat that we had taken in (who tests 
negative). That cat was a very aggressive player and really made Tigger nervous 
and stressed out so we don’t have her anymore.

 

I am going to read about Winstrol and also talk to both of our vet offices 
about it. The reason I am using two vet offices is because our regular one is 
35 miles away and Tigger has needed to go in sometimes 5 times a week so we 
started taking him to one in our city that Tigger didn’t like very much but now 
they have different vets and they seem nicer to him. They have all apologized 
that they really don’t know much about treating FeLV+ cats and also don’t know 
much about any of the medicines used. (I would think they would want to read up 
on it now that they have a patient needing tre

Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello Maya,

So good to hear you have good news, at least for now. Our Tigger was in the 
same shape it seemed. My hubby and I had actually sort of said “so long baby” 
to him that evening, thinking he would not make it through the night. I was 
exhausted, physically and emotionally! I woke very early to my husband telling 
me not to step on him when I get out of bed – Tigger had managed to get himself 
from our living room into our bedroom. He could not get up on the bed, but he 
was lying on the floor next to my husband. Somehow it seemed he had turned a 
corner. He has improved so much ever since, and most importantly he seemed to 
be telling us that he wants to fight this disease, and I think your little 
fellow seems to be saying the same thing to you!

Best wishes to you and your kitty!

Ardy Robertson

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:34 AM
To: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

I got the vibe from the vet last night that we were going down hill, and I had 
lost a lot of hope. I woke up to a much improved cat though! His temperature is 
stable (still slightly high), he hasn't lost any weight, and his purr is back 
to normal. He is definitely feeling better, but that doesn't mean we are out of 
the woods. We just did a complete blood work; liver function and all that stuff 
looks good (exception of high bilirubin, but the vet wasn't concerned). He's 
peeing, and he even did a poop! Unfortunately his WBC, neutrophils and 
lymphocytes are all very low. Thankfully his RBC remains normal which is 
positive.

 

The vet is recommending doing AZT, this is a different vet than yesterday and 
she seems more open to talknig about things. She seemed open to calling Amani's 
vet to chat about Winstrol.

 

I'm still force feeding, and they want to stop the prednisolone to let his WBC 
regenerate I think. I'm a bit nervous about stopping it. We are staying on the 
doxy, with cevenia and mirtazipine.

 

Again, right now we mostly need to wait and re-check blood work in 48 hours.

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> > wrote:



Hi Maya,

 Any improvement is good news ! How bad is the anemia? What is his 
PCV/HCT? Is it regenerative or non-regenerative? There are medications that can 
help with that, which your Vet may be comfortable using. This discusses the use 
of erythropoietin in cats with kidney failure, but anemia is anemia.

http://www.felinecrf.org/esas.htm

There's also a great yahoo list. I don't know how active it is anymore, but the 
files might help;

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline_Anemia/info

I know it's frustrating not to be able to treat the FeLV itself, but we CAN 
manage/treat the symptoms.

Best to Merlot, and you,

Margo

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From: Maya D'Alessio 
Sent: Oct 20, 2015 8:12 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) 

Good news; his temperature is down to a "high normal", bad news; he has an 
anemia murmur. The vet was not hearing me about Winstrol and he seemed in a bad 
mood. I'm hanging on to the decreased fever as a sign of good things. We will 
re-do blood work tomorrow and re-asses in the morning.

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm 
<mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm> > wrote:

My FeLV+ girl Ember got five-on five-off interferon. I can’t remember if it was 
1ml or .5ml, but it wasn’t a large dose.

 

I seem to remember a vet at a specialized clinic telling me that we didn’t have 
to stagger it, but my “country vet” had prescribed it that way, and we stuck to 
it. 

 

AZT can cause serious blood abnormalities in cats. I don’t think it’s often 
used in treating FeLV because of that. 

 

Lance

 

On Oct 20, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com 
<mailto:mde...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

You've been plenty helpful, thank you. What I need to figure out how to do, is 
accept the situation and be less emotional about it, no matter which way it 
goes, until the time comes. Right now I'm just so emotional, I keep 
flip-flopping between optimistic and hopeless.

 

Do you know with the interferon, what dose they are on? When you first started 
did you start immediately with the one week on, one week off, or was there a 
more intense initial period?

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> > wrote:



   I remember researching AZT an deciding against it, but I don't recall why.  
My two boys have been on interferon for years (low dose one week on, one week 
off) and I've never seen any adverse effects, but when they're sick, they seem 
to pe

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that after 11 
months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.

Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be spayed and 
vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for distemper, rabies, 
FIV and something else does not include a vaccination for FeLV. At that time, I 
had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different things. (Of course I thought 
ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you needed to give also.) But my point is 
-- it would be nice to have it all explained to you, and maybe some vet clinics 
do, but ours does not. Years ago I had an orange kitty named Scotchy that died 
right after being given a rabies vaccination too. They said it was rare.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that FeLv 
is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us believe. 
Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away from an active 
and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try much of anything her 
system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his take on it was that once 
leukemia is active nothing much can be done. 

Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated for a 
month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of rescue and 
first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I isolated her for 
another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved her in with Samson and 
Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year later when Bunny was two 
years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down food as she had been doing. She 
grew lethargic and disinterested in playing and being mischievous. In a matter 
of three weeks she went from healthy to dead. The misery was that both Samson 
and Delilah had been thoroughly exposed.

There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three years 
since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both negative. 
My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can survive an 
exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease. The groups in 
most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats who have not been 
fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.

On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >  
> >
> > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was 
> > allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for 
> > worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the 
> > Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they 
> > were telling me the whole time to let him go, and that I needed to consider 
> > his “quality of life” (ie – I was being selfish and immoral), and it was 
> > only my insistence that I intended to try every feasible option to save my 
> > cat...

> >
> >  
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >  
> >
> > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> >
> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they 
> > somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the disease. My 
> > thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat to baby, 
> > and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of 
> > poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to 
> > be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that 
> > cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune 
> > system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although 
> > I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around 
> > other cats.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Amani Oakley
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >  
> >
> > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but for 
> > some reason it didn’t go t

Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[Ardy Robertson]

I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said 
they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was 
quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office 
to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would 
come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to 
him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they 
have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he 
has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the 
dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat 
things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he 
follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball 
is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told 
him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, 
but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds 
about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have 
this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who 
has posted seems to be of the same opinion.

Ardy Robertson

Osseo, WI

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

 

Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol.

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <dlg...@windstream.net 
<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote:

tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE.  THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE 
VACCINATED.


 Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com <mailto:moonv...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ.  She ate one serviing
> of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really
> like her eating dry but it will put weight on her.
>
> Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of
> my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and
> the other one is next Friday.  He even said when he brought the FELV+
> kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and
> then let them in with the others.
>
> I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow.
>
> Kelley



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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[Ardy Robertson]

You took the words out of my mouth--- they are prepared to inject drugs 
that will immediately end the life of the cat, but are not willing to try a 
drug that may possibly damage his liver, or could restore his health…HELLO!!!

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

 

Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this 
potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the 
bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read the 
research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just spiking 
of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. 

 

And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug but 
here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that they are 
prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not prepared to risk 
liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: October-23-15 8:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

 

My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver 
issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away 
after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential 
liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets 
don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but 
then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I 
have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has 
been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite 
interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing 
me out

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca 
<mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca> > wrote:

My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver 
issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away 
after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential 
liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets 
don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but 
then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I 
have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has 
been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite 
interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing 
me out

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:

Ardy – good for you!

 

Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell you, 
I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if that 
happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That has 
been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat and I 
hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever weird 
perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay about 
Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping scandals).

 

I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you.

 

Amani 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

 

I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said 
they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was 
quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office 
to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would 
come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to 
him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they 
have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he 
has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the 
dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat 
things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he 
follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball 
is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told 
him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessar

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

As of this past January (2015), they were giving FIV vaccinations in combo with 
distemper, and a couple others, I think rabies, and is there a parvo one or 
something? I will ask next time I am there. This is in Osseo, WI.

I would hope shelters would have this knowledge. Otherwise they are very quick 
to euthanize. :(

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:11 AM
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

I hope no one in still giving combo vaccinations for FIV.  My understanding is 
that the FIV vaccine (but not the FELV vaccine) will cause a cat to test FIV+ 
for lifetime.  In the sad occasion kitty should get out and taken to a shelter, 
he will test FIV+ and that is not a good thing for a cat in a shelter.

 

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net 
<mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:

So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that after 11 
months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.

Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be spayed and 
vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for distemper, rabies, 
FIV and something else does not include a vaccination for FeLV. At that time, I 
had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different things. (Of course I thought 
ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you needed to give also.) But my point is 
-- it would be nice to have it all explained to you, and maybe some vet clinics 
do, but ours does not. Years ago I had an orange kitty named Scotchy that died 
right after being given a rabies vaccination too. They said it was rare.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that FeLv 
is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us believe. 
Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away from an active 
and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try much of anything her 
system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his take on it was that once 
leukemia is active nothing much can be done.

Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated for a 
month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of rescue and 
first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I isolated her for 
another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved her in with Samson and 
Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year later when Bunny was two 
years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down food as she had been doing. She 
grew lethargic and disinterested in playing and being mischievous. In a matter 
of three weeks she went from healthy to dead. The misery was that both Samson 
and Delilah had been thoroughly exposed.

There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three years 
since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both negative. 
My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can survive an 
exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease. The groups in 
most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats who have not been 
fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.

On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was 
> > allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for 
> > worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the 
> > Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they 
> > were telling me the whole time to let him go, and that I needed to consider 
> > his “quality of life” (ie – I was being selfish and immoral), and it was 
> > only my insistence that I intended to try every feasible option to save my 
> > cat...

> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> >
> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

One thing I do for my Tigger is "ever so slightly" warm the food in the
microwave..like 10 seconds, not to make it very warm at all, but it sort of
makes the aroma stronger, thus making the food more inviting. Any more than
a few seconds might make it too warm and would scare him because he seems to
be afraid of food that is too warm.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:45 AM
To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Margo,

Thanks for the warning about the iron injections.  Peaches is very fussy
about her food, so I am not sure if she will put up with Pet-Tinic, but I
might give it a try.  She was low on potassium, and even the lightest
sprinkle of potassium gluconate powder in her food would cause her to reject
i, though sometimes she would eat some of it.  Tried the K gel also.  Even
one drop of fish oil also makes her reject her food, even if it happens to
be fish-flavored!!  So I focused on offering the most nutritious food
possible, frequently, and changing it up (both flavor and texture)
constantly to get her to eat more, thus taking in more nutrients.  No sub-q
fluids for her, as she is drinking plenty of water on her own.

Marsha

On 10/28/2015 6:36 AM, Margo wrote:

Hi Marsha,

  I've only used Epogen (Erythropoetin) for cats with CRF, but
it's been a while, and this may be a better option. The Epogen did the job
for us.

  I just wanted to suggest that if you can get the iron into her
in another way, I would consider that. Iron injections (usually dextran)
HURT! And yes, I know from personal experience ;) If she's getting sub-q
fluids, you can add it at the end, and it may be dilute enough to be less
painful, but iron is absorbed well orally. This is what I use, and some cats
actually have followed me for it ;

http://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Pet-Tinic-Liquid-Vitamin-Mineral-Supplement-
for-Dogs-and-Cats_p_2533.html?preselopt=7142

=Cj0KEQjw5MGxBRDiuZm2icXX2-sBEiQA619bq5hS3AFWV5jo5f133RPoNEAdq7uoC6pc0
ciV4_TcV4caAgqg8P8HAQ

HTH

Margo

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Have you ever tried holding her opposite side ear/side of head and tilting
her head upward until under chin line is completely vertical, and then with
the other hand you can pull the lower part of her mouth down and pop the
pill into the back of her mouth. Then let go of her ear/side of head and
gently stroke her neck to make the pill go down. Works like a charm.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:18 AM
To: dlg...@windstream.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

I got some venison and duck of some brand that was new to me.  The venison
was a big hit for a few days because it was such a novelty.  Now none of the
cats will eat it.  So, I'm saving it for later, when it might be "new"
again. LOL.  Pilling is extremely difficult with Peaches.  She will jerk her
head if she can, but the movement INSIDE her mouth, especially with her
tongue is pretty amazing no matter how "still" I hold the rest of her.

Marsha

On 10/28/2015 10:05 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> Cats are so picky about their food.  I had gotten Blue Buffalo's weight
control which is chicken .  They look at it like I was trying to poison them
so had to get Rabbit and Duck which are their favorites.  Mixed them in with
the chicken and they picked out the rabbit and duck and left the chicken.
They have the same reaction to salmon, love tuna and if I get them a can of
mackeral which smells, they love it.  I have found it is best to just get a
good drip and pill them and then hold them until they swallow.
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

[Ardy Robertson]

Bless you for that Lorrie -- I cannot understand people sometimes. It seems
people either love or hate cats, not much in between. Glad I'm in the love
em column :)

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"

On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". 
> That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes.  As property, 
> do they not have any value?  They deserve respect at the very least.  
> Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, 
> respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he 
> can.  Someone once said he would use them for target practice.  I told 
> him he would be lying on the ground next to them.
-
I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten
about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle
of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to
his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is
still with us, spayed, happy and loved.
-
Lorrie
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

[Ardy Robertson]

Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they insisted on 
testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws into my arm hanging onto me 
for dear life when I took him back to the vet. They said they had to be sure he 
didn't have rabies in which case I would have been exposed. I had to pay $100 
for them to send his head to Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really 
encouraging me to pay $700 to send his whole body down there. Hello!! I already 
had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole body they could do it without 
my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried not to think about what was going to 
happen.)


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU 
SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE.

 Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing 
> potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in 
> most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is 
> literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a 
> concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that 
> have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to 
> use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two 
> vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has 
> been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was 
> quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really 
> interested in hearing me out
> 
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio 
> <mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca>
> wrote:
> 
> > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing 
> > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but 
> > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is 
> > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of 
> > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs 
> > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they 
> > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! 
> > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very 
> > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've 
> > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other 
> > vet is not really interested in hearing me out
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley 
> > <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ardy – good for you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back 
> >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a 
> >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left 
> >> with “what-ifs”.
> >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. 
> >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not 
> >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what 
> >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I 
> >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
> >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson
> >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM
> >>
> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but 
> >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one 
> >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I 
> >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a 
> >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk 
> >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, 
> >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see 
> >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about 
> >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me 
> >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be 
> >

Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Ardy Robertson]

I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe every
little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their
actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works and
what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces loving
and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger, when he
was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the night,
dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up on
the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where he felt
safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo)


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable about
cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.

Lorrie


On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us. 
> Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Ardy Robertson]

I will pray for you and Merlot, hopefully you can get some water into him. It 
sounds like the Winstrol might help him.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 2:15 PM
To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

 

Merlot has taken a turn for the worse. He's having trouble breathing, a bit 
dehydrated, not interested in food, and the vet thought she felt a lump in his 
abdomen. We might have to make a hard choice tomorrow. I want to give him the 
night to see if he improves at all.

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Margo  > wrote:


I always feel lucky that I have a Vet who will listen to me. I figure that when 
I go in, I have had the time to really evaluate the pet, know pretty well 
what's going on, and have had the opportunity to research the possibilities for 
that one critter. I'm not dealing with multiple species and patients. I can 
focus. I like it when she also has input, and I think that together, we are 
better than either of us alone. Since the lymph node incident, we have found a 
way to get where we want to go in the best way possible. Recently my Vet found 
an off-label use for a new flea/tick med that saved my new dog from daily doses 
of a pretty toxic drug. I didn't know about it. And I am now trying to 
introduce her to Zeutering, which is a form of chemical castration that I am 
considering.

Of course, there are times...:)

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie  >
>Sent: Nov 15, 2015 10:01 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>

>You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
>about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>
>Lorrie
>
>
>On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net   wrote:
>
>> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
>> Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
>>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Little Houdini's :)

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

YOU WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD NOT BE HARD, AFTER ALL, THEY ARE SMALLER THAN
US.  THEY CAN BACK RIGHT OUT OF YOUR GRIP AND BE LONG GONE BEFORE YOU KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED.

 Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote: 
> Yep, that's what I do.  She is still a huge challenge.  I got a Dr. 
> Hanson's bullseye pill gun, and that is helping, but sometimes I still 
> have to try twice even with that.  She is a stinker.  Three times I 
> took her to the vet for the techs to do it.  Took 2 of them, and they 
> were doing the "works like a charm" method too.  LOL!  I've had just 
> one cat that was a bigger challenge.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> On 10/28/2015 7:23 PM, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> > Have you ever tried holding her opposite side ear/side of head and 
> > tilting her head upward until under chin line is completely 
> > vertical, and then with the other hand you can pull the lower part 
> > of her mouth down and pop the pill into the back of her mouth. Then 
> > let go of her ear/side of head and gently stroke her neck to make the
pill go down. Works like a charm.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Marsha
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:18 AM
> > To: dlg...@windstream.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> > I got some venison and duck of some brand that was new to me.  The 
> > venison was a big hit for a few days because it was such a novelty.  
> > Now none of the cats will eat it.  So, I'm saving it for later, when it
might be "new"
> > again. LOL.  Pilling is extremely difficult with Peaches.  She will 
> > jerk her head if she can, but the movement INSIDE her mouth, 
> > especially with her tongue is pretty amazing no matter how "still" I
hold the rest of her.
> >
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

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They are so individual -- I had a black and white guy named Patches that
would simply allow you to put it in his mouth.no problem. He hurt his
paw and I had to soak it several times a day in Epsom salts so I used a
Styrofoam coffee cup and put his paw in the warm solution. The first time he
pulled back a little and after that he realized I wanted him do leave it in
there, and he would sit on my lap for 20 minutes with his paw in the
cup...no problem. Tigger, on the other hand, would probably have the cup
flying around the room or something. 

Tigg was quite a problem to syringe feed at first, and actually I think the
problem was me! I was afraid of hurting him, or having him aspirate the
liquid. I guess I didn't want him to be mad at me. Then my husband said
something to me that made me realize I either had to let him starve to death
or commit to doing what I felt was the best thing for him. After that I just
quickly did what I felt I had to do and it wasn't nearly as bad. I tried to
keep the meals very small and frequent rather than stuffing him. He is a
nibbler, so I tried to stick with that. On the days that we were both
working, I took him to the local vet office for care during the day, and Ron
picked him up just before they closed. That way they fed him 5 times during
the day, including a little water each time. I have found that the bigger
syringe worked better and I did it from the side of his mouth.

At the moment, he looks/feels like a brand new kitty, and has gained from
9.6 lbs. to 10.3 lbs. Our vet is beginning a 30-day count down to a retest
for the FeLV. Tigger has had lots of prayers on his behalf too. I think he
has somewhat of an idea how much he is loved :)

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Yep, that's what I do.  She is still a huge challenge.  I got a Dr. 
Hanson's bullseye pill gun, and that is helping, but sometimes I still have
to try twice even with that.  She is a stinker.  Three times I took her to
the vet for the techs to do it.  Took 2 of them, and they were doing the
"works like a charm" method too.  LOL!  I've had just one cat that was a
bigger challenge.

Marsha

On 10/28/2015 7:23 PM, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> Have you ever tried holding her opposite side ear/side of head and 
> tilting her head upward until under chin line is completely vertical, 
> and then with the other hand you can pull the lower part of her mouth 
> down and pop the pill into the back of her mouth. Then let go of her 
> ear/side of head and gently stroke her neck to make the pill go down.
Works like a charm.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Marsha
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:18 AM
> To: dlg...@windstream.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
> I got some venison and duck of some brand that was new to me.  The 
> venison was a big hit for a few days because it was such a novelty.  
> Now none of the cats will eat it.  So, I'm saving it for later, when it
might be "new"
> again. LOL.  Pilling is extremely difficult with Peaches.  She will 
> jerk her head if she can, but the movement INSIDE her mouth, 
> especially with her tongue is pretty amazing no matter how "still" I hold
the rest of her.
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bella

[Ardy Robertson]

Beautiful!

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bella

 



I'm so sorry.



Lend Me a Kitten

I will lend to you a kitten, God said.
For you to love her while she lives, and mourn her when she's dead.
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three.
But will you, 'till I call her back, take care of her for me?

She'll bring her charms to gladden you and should her stay be brief
You'll always have her memory as solace for your grief.
I cannot promise she will stay, since all from earth return.
But there are lessons taught below I want this girl to learn.

I've looked the whole world over in search of teachers true.
And from the folk that crowds life's land I have chosen you.
Now will you give her all your love, nor think the labor vain?
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again?

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'
For all the joys this kitten brings the risk of grief we'll run.
We'll shelter her with tenderness, we'll love her while we may.
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay.

But should you call her back to you much sooner than we planned,
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand.
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve,
Then in memory of the one we loved, please help us while we grieve.
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife,
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love, for life.

Author Unknown

 

-Original Message- 
From: simon95 
Sent: Oct 28, 2015 5:48 PM 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bella 




 

My sweet little girl crossed over yesturday.she was 4 years old. So sad

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello Maya,

Just a note on your comment that your cat is not grooming himself. Our Tigger 
had a high fever – 105.8 and possibly higher before that – and was not 
grooming. I feel that the sub-cutaneous fluids helped the fever. They did that 
every day for a while, and I also gave small amounts of water by syringe. I 
used a wet wash cloth and did his grooming for him during that time, and 
believe it or not, I think he enjoyed being wiped down, he just wasn’t able to 
do it for himself. Best wishes with your cat.

Ardy Robertson

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 1:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Thank you Amani, I really, really appreciate the support. I will agree with you 
that I do see the negative aspect of outlook from vets. With my last cat, I was 
less informed, and agreed with everything the vets were suggesting, including 
euthanization, as I was told she would just die slowly otherwise. Maybe her 
outlook could have been improved with some time and TLC. I feel a bit better 
with your 1 month time line, I was worried about a time line of days. Have your 
cats continued with fevers for that long? I am really concerned about how soon 
we should expect the fever to turn around. I think once his fever gets better 
he has a much better chance of regaining his appetite.

 

I have been syringe feeding the AD food (I think it's science diet), we are 
trying to get 1 can in to him every day. I know he's not extremely comfortable 
right now, but he has been a bit more active in the last day. He's not grooming 
at all though.

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:

Hi Maya, I will send you a private email with my vet’s name and phone number. 

 

Regarding the intake of food, you need to support him while he fights this 
thing. I don’t think anyone can give you a hard and fast time frame regarding 
when to stop, but I will do my utmost to give my cats every chance. I usually 
can get sufficient baby food into them via syringe if necessary, for an 
extended period of time usually. I continue as long as I see that it is helping 
to allow him to live to fight another day. With something like leukemia, when 
they crash, you really should expect at least a month of convalescence and 
reduced appetite, while hopefully other things like the Winstrol start to 
increase his blood counts. He needs to keep eating while his blood counts go 
up, and you need to give him the time to recover.

 

I know that other people have a very different view, and I have learned that 
people really are of two minds on this. I think it is a personal decision, but 
for me, I don’t give up unless I see there is no hope, and I don’t give up well 
after my vets are ready to throw in the towel. Thankfully, my vets know me well 
enough and trust me enough now, to let me work as hard as I can to save my 
cats. They provide support and help and advice, and have been wonderful enough 
to admit when I am successful when they had predicted nothing but failure.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: October-20-15 1:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Oh wow, yes I am in Waterloo. Can you send me your vet's information and I will 
pass it along to my vet immediately.

 

He is mentioning AZT and interferon, but Merlot has a persistent fever and 
won't eat, I am assuming his body is not up to those drugs yet. He's currently 
on doxy, prednisolone and mirtazipine (appetite stimulant), and they gave him 
an antinauseant shot last night (cevinia I think).

 

Question to the larger group; my cat is uncomfortable (although better than 
yesterday), I have to force feed him and he's on a ton of drugs. How long is 
this feasible? How long should I let it go if we don't see improvement? How do 
you make that call. With my last cat, she deteriorated so rapidly and it was so 
dire that it was a pretty straight forward call.

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:

Maya,

Seriously, I have to wonder about some vets. What is he offering you that will 
help your cat??

Anyhow, all I can say is I am happy I have a supportive vet. I will send you 
some links to stuff about Winstrol, but it is hard to find since the mind-set 
you have encountered already, is all too common, even when our cats are dying 
and there are few realistic alternatives.

Most of the links I will send to you will not speak to the use of Winstrol 
specifically for FeLV, but speak to things like building up strength and 
improving appetit

Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you so much Amani – it really sounds like you have done your homework!! 
And that’s just it – this happened so fast and took us so off-guard that I 
didn’t have any knowledge of what to do. We took him in on a Sunday night, and 
after putting some “puzzle pieces” together, I think he was getting sick for a 
while and I just did not pick up on it. We had been gone for a couple days, 
then we had company at our house so he was kind of out of sight and I figured 
he just didn’t like the people, when actually he usually loves people. He had 
felt hot a couple of times, but both times he was lying on a window sill with 
the sun shining directly on him. Our regular vet was out so a different animal 
hospital was filling in. They gave him fluids and antibiotics as well as pain 
liquid and sent us home. No blood test.

 

The next day our regular vet did xrays and found an enlarged lymph node 
somewhere near his tummy I think, so that’s why they did the blood work and 
found the FeLV. They were also the ones that did the FeLV test 5 years prior 
when we found him as a kitten. They changed to an antibiotic 10-day shot for 
what they thought was a bite from another cat that we had taken in (who tests 
negative). That cat was a very aggressive player and really made Tigger nervous 
and stressed out so we don’t have her anymore.

 

I am going to read about Winstrol and also talk to both of our vet offices 
about it. The reason I am using two vet offices is because our regular one is 
35 miles away and Tigger has needed to go in sometimes 5 times a week so we 
started taking him to one in our city that Tigger didn’t like very much but now 
they have different vets and they seem nicer to him. They have all apologized 
that they really don’t know much about treating FeLV+ cats and also don’t know 
much about any of the medicines used. (I would think they would want to read up 
on it now that they have a patient needing treatment.) At any rate, I think if 
Tigger can make progress, not only will we be thrilled, but it may change the 
outlook for other cats in the future.

 

Is the Winstrol an immune-booster, or an anti-viral drug? I’m not even sure how 
the Interferon works, or if it does? I asked our vet if Tigger needs another 
blood test because I do not know where his blood counts are, or if it is in his 
bone marrow. I think I now know some additional questions I can be asking.

 

Thank you so much!

Ardy Robertson

Osseo, Wisconsin

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Ardy

 

If you do decide to try the Winstrol, get his blood checked before and then 
after a few weeks on the Winstrol. If this works as well for you as it did for 
me, you will want some solid proof to demonstrate its effect. Hopefully, the 
vet will learn, as mine did since I got weekly blood work when Zander was on 
Interferon, then LTCI and then Winstrol. The blood work spoke for itself. 
Again, I have to say I have not seen anything else work so well to increase 
weight, stamina and appetite than the Winstrol so see if your vets will get it 
for you to try out.

 

Amani

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: October-20-15 10:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Hello – can I chime in here a bit? My cat Tigger is on Interferon (7 days on 
then 7 days off and repeat) for FeLV. I think it might be helping but his 
appetite is poor and I have to syringe feed him. Surprisingly a very large 
syringe seems to work better than the small ones. I go slow to make sure I 
don’t choke him and he might aspirate food into his lungs. For his comfort (and 
mind) I fold a heavy bath towel in half and put it around him the same way they 
do to us when we get our hair cut…then I clip it in back with a large office 
binder-clip. He doesn’t feel like I am restraining him and has actually gotten 
used to it, so less stress which is important for FeLV+ cats. Also I do feed 
the critical care food thinned out a bit but when he got constipated, my vet 
had me give him a couple tablespoons of pure pumpkin (no spices) and it worked 
wonderfully. I know he needs calories of good quality, but I think he also 
needs some carbs and bulk in order to keep regular, so I mix some baby food 
chicken (the #1 kind for little babies) and some rice baby cereal with some 
water. He does not seem to mind it. I also give him some water. He has since 
started eating fairly well, but still not drinking as much as he should. He is 
also on the appetite stimulant you mentioned.

 

I had not heard about Winstrol before. The vets in my area have always 
euthanized cats at the first mention of FeLV so treating Tigger is a big of a 
le

Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello – can I chime in here a bit? My cat Tigger is on Interferon (7 days on 
then 7 days off and repeat) for FeLV. I think it might be helping but his 
appetite is poor and I have to syringe feed him. Surprisingly a very large 
syringe seems to work better than the small ones. I go slow to make sure I 
don’t choke him and he might aspirate food into his lungs. For his comfort (and 
mind) I fold a heavy bath towel in half and put it around him the same way they 
do to us when we get our hair cut…then I clip it in back with a large office 
binder-clip. He doesn’t feel like I am restraining him and has actually gotten 
used to it, so less stress which is important for FeLV+ cats. Also I do feed 
the critical care food thinned out a bit but when he got constipated, my vet 
had me give him a couple tablespoons of pure pumpkin (no spices) and it worked 
wonderfully. I know he needs calories of good quality, but I think he also 
needs some carbs and bulk in order to keep regular, so I mix some baby food 
chicken (the #1 kind for little babies) and some rice baby cereal with some 
water. He does not seem to mind it. I also give him some water. He has since 
started eating fairly well, but still not drinking as much as he should. He is 
also on the appetite stimulant you mentioned.

 

I had not heard about Winstrol before. The vets in my area have always 
euthanized cats at the first mention of FeLV so treating Tigger is a big of a 
learning experience for both of the offices that I take him to. I believe 
taking him to both clinics is sort of giving him a second opinion and they are 
both telling me they are learning about treating FeLV from him. Thank you very 
much for allowing me to be a part of this group and learn.

Ardy Robertson

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Oh wow, yes I am in Waterloo. Can you send me your vet's information and I will 
pass it along to my vet immediately.

 

He is mentioning AZT and interferon, but Merlot has a persistent fever and 
won't eat, I am assuming his body is not up to those drugs yet. He's currently 
on doxy, prednisolone and mirtazipine (appetite stimulant), and they gave him 
an antinauseant shot last night (cevinia I think).

 

Question to the larger group; my cat is uncomfortable (although better than 
yesterday), I have to force feed him and he's on a ton of drugs. How long is 
this feasible? How long should I let it go if we don't see improvement? How do 
you make that call. With my last cat, she deteriorated so rapidly and it was so 
dire that it was a pretty straight forward call.

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:

Maya,

Seriously, I have to wonder about some vets. What is he offering you that will 
help your cat??

Anyhow, all I can say is I am happy I have a supportive vet. I will send you 
some links to stuff about Winstrol, but it is hard to find since the mind-set 
you have encountered already, is all too common, even when our cats are dying 
and there are few realistic alternatives.

Most of the links I will send to you will not speak to the use of Winstrol 
specifically for FeLV, but speak to things like building up strength and 
improving appetite.

Here is the first - very generic.


http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol

Amani

P.S. - I also noticed you are not far from me. My vet is in Etobicoke, in the 
outskirts of Toronto. Perhaps your vet should call my vet?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Ardy Robertson]

Isn’t it exciting when they go back to doing something like grooming, or 
playing a bit! So happy that the fever is down to manageable levels – I’m sure 
he feels so much better! Our Tigger opens cupboard doors, shreds toilet paper 
when the bathroom door is left open etc. I was so happy after he started 
opening doors and biting the toilet tissue again! He is able to get up on our 
bed and safely back down now, so he is claiming his spot in bed again. We love 
him so much. We had found him as a tiny kitten and thought he was starving. He 
tested negative for FeLV at that time and now five years later, after being an 
indoor-only cat and with one other negative cat, he has the virus. The vet said 
he must have had it when we found him and the test was done during a period of 
him shedding the virus. I didn’t know tests have to be repeated in order to be 
sure. We would have kept him anyway, but why test when the test is inaccurate, 
and they also told me the vaccination is not always effective. They told us he 
didn’t need to be vaccinated if he was indoor-only. I just vets would TRY to 
treat FeLV rather than giving up and euthanizing – give them a chance!

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Thanks Ardy.  He just was grooming for about a minute, so that was exciting! 
I've been cleaning him off (especially after the feedings) as he makes a lot of 
mess.

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net 
<mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:

Hello Maya,

Just a note on your comment that your cat is not grooming himself. Our Tigger 
had a high fever – 105.8 and possibly higher before that – and was not 
grooming. I feel that the sub-cutaneous fluids helped the fever. They did that 
every day for a while, and I also gave small amounts of water by syringe. I 
used a wet wash cloth and did his grooming for him during that time, and 
believe it or not, I think he enjoyed being wiped down, he just wasn’t able to 
do it for himself. Best wishes with your cat.

Ardy Robertson

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 1:08 PM


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

 

Thank you Amani, I really, really appreciate the support. I will agree with you 
that I do see the negative aspect of outlook from vets. With my last cat, I was 
less informed, and agreed with everything the vets were suggesting, including 
euthanization, as I was told she would just die slowly otherwise. Maybe her 
outlook could have been improved with some time and TLC. I feel a bit better 
with your 1 month time line, I was worried about a time line of days. Have your 
cats continued with fevers for that long? I am really concerned about how soon 
we should expect the fever to turn around. I think once his fever gets better 
he has a much better chance of regaining his appetite.

 

I have been syringe feeding the AD food (I think it's science diet), we are 
trying to get 1 can in to him every day. I know he's not extremely comfortable 
right now, but he has been a bit more active in the last day. He's not grooming 
at all though.

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:

Hi Maya, I will send you a private email with my vet’s name and phone number. 

 

Regarding the intake of food, you need to support him while he fights this 
thing. I don’t think anyone can give you a hard and fast time frame regarding 
when to stop, but I will do my utmost to give my cats every chance. I usually 
can get sufficient baby food into them via syringe if necessary, for an 
extended period of time usually. I continue as long as I see that it is helping 
to allow him to live to fight another day. With something like leukemia, when 
they crash, you really should expect at least a month of convalescence and 
reduced appetite, while hopefully other things like the Winstrol start to 
increase his blood counts. He needs to keep eating while his blood counts go 
up, and you need to give him the time to recover.

 

I know that other people have a very different view, and I have learned that 
people really are of two minds on this. I think it is a personal decision, but 
for me, I don’t give up unless I see there is no hope, and I don’t give up well 
after my vets are ready to throw in the towel. Thankfully, my vets know me well 
enough and trust me enough now, to let me work as hard as I can to save my 
cats. They provide support and help and advice, and have been wonderful enough 
to admit when I am successful when they had predicted not

[Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello everyone,

My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a
swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
illness, he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even
though we have the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to
sleep a lot more than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid
vitamin/mineral supplement with iron in it.

 

When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed him
anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food. Now
that he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo dry
food. In my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any
"fish-based" food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I think
it has something to do with bacteria but I'm not sure.

 

I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil
chicken and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she
didn't like it much. So - I am looking for a way to make something out of
"people quality" meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am thinking
it will have to have a "pate" consistency and be fairly flavorful. This
kitty doesn't seem to think he should eat any people food, whereas my other
one believes she should only eat people food.

 

Any ideas would be appreciated - I will go to whatever lengths needed to
make a good food for him. (I have tried the fresh cat food at Pet Food Plus
and he won't touch it. I have also tried all the other canned stuff, even
the super expensive kinds.)

 

Thanks!!

Ardy Robertson

Osseo, WI

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you!!

Ardy (and Tigger)

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 9:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

 

If you use Gerbers, make sure you use stage 2 only.  the small 2.5 oz jars 
because they are strictly meat and water with a tad of cornstarch in it. 

No onions or garlic in these.  The ones you want are Ham (no salt added), 
Chicken, Turkey or Beef with gravy. 

 

Nancy & the gang



-Original Message-
From: dlgegg <dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> >
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

I have used baby food, just make sue that it does not have any garlic or 
onioin, Gerbers is pretty good.
I have also boiled chicken for my soup and held out some before I put in garlic 
and onion. 

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > 
wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a
> swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
> illness, he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even
> though we have the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to
> sleep a lot more than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid
> vitamin/mineral supplement with iron in it.
> 
> 
> 
> When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed him
> anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food. Now
> that he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo dry
> food. In my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any
> "fish-based" food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I think
> it has something to do with bacteria but I'm not sure.
> 
> 
> 
> I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil
> chicken and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she
> didn't like it much. So - I am looking for a way to make something out of
> "people quality" meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am thinking
> it will have to have a "pate" consistency and be fairly flavorful. This
> kitty doesn't seem to think he should eat any people food, whereas my other
> one believes she should only eat people food.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated - I will go to whatever lengths needed to
> make a good food for him. (I have tried the fresh cat food at Pet Food Plus
> and he won't touch it. I have also tried all the other canned stuff, even
> the super expensive kinds.)
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Ardy Robertson
> 
> Osseo, WI
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you very much – I will check out Dr. Piersen’s page…….Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 6:31 PM
To: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>; felvtalk 
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

 

For homemade food, the best I know of is Dr Piersen's.  She has an extensive 
page on what cats should eat.  http://www.catinfo.org

 

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Remember that baby food is NOT a "complete and balanced" diet. 

The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so lovingly 
prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate raw. And I'm a 
GOOD cook 

I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often frowned upon. 
I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp) by-products are 
allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I do think it may be a 
trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers are also my two FeLV+'s. 
So most of the time, I don't offer fish based foods.

I also tried many of the gourmet, grain free, special, amazing (ly expensive) 
options that Chewy had to offer. I have now decided that feeding Fancy Feast 
Classic pates (they're currently eating beef or chicken) and/or Sheba pates 
(same flavors) is fine. Some would eat one kind, some another, but hundreds of 
$ worth of the "Good Stuff" went to the ferals and raccoons. I don't feed dry 
(the stone forming thing again) often. If you have only a few cats, I had 
pretty good luck with Hound and Gatos and Wild Calling carb free varieties.

Good Luck :)

Margo 



-Original Message--
--- 
From: gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com>  
Sent: Jan 8, 2016 10:55 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share? 

If you use Gerbers, make sure you use stage 2 only.  the small 2.5 oz jars 
because they are strictly meat and water with a tad of cornstarch in it. 

No onions or garlic in these.  The ones you want are Ham (no salt added), 
Chicken, Turkey or Beef with gravy. 

 

Nancy & the gang





-Original Message-
From: dlgegg <dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> >
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

I have used baby food, just make sue that it does not have any garlic or 
onioin, Gerbers is pretty good.
I have also boiled chicken for my soup and held out some before I put in garlic 
and onion. 

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > 
wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a
> swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
> illness, he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even
> though we have the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to
> sleep a lot more than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid
> vitamin/mineral supplement with iron in it.
> 
> 
> 
> When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed him
> anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food. Now
> that he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo dry
> food. In my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any
> "fish-based" food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I think
> it has something to do with bacteria but I'm not sure.
> 
> 
> 
> I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil
> chicken and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she
> didn't like it much. So - I am looking for a way to make something out of
> "people quality" meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am thinking
> it will have to have a "pate" consistency and be fairly flavorful. This
> kitty doesn't seem to think he should eat any people food, whereas my other
> one believes she should only eat people food.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated - I will go to whatever lengths needed to
> make a good food for him. (I have tried the fresh cat food at Pet Food Plus
> and he won't touch it. I have also tried all the other canned stuff, even
> the super expensive kinds.)
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Ardy Robertson
> 
> Osseo, WI
> 
> 
> 


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[Ardy Robertson]

I may have to go online and see if I can purchase some of these suggested 
varieties because none of our nearby retailers have any of these.

 

Thanks!!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:30 PM
To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

 

My two (Kit and Baby) are eating Holistic Select and at times Fancy Feast 
Classics Chicken or Turkey.  Gee, if there are any homemade recipes 

that are good for them, I would love to hear about them.  Holisitic Select is a 
no grain, no gluten food.  As for the fish?  No way would I feed any

of mine fish or anything with fish in it.  It's very bad on the bladder and, 
yes, will eventually cause debris and sediment, which leads to crystals

and stones.  

 

Nancy & the gang.



-Original Message-
From: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> >
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

Remember that baby food is NOT a "complete and balanced" diet. 

The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so lovingly 
prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate raw. And I'm a 
GOOD cook 

I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often frowned upon. 
I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp) by-products are 
allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I do think it may be a 
trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers are also my two FeLV+'s. 
So most of the time, I don't offer fish based foods.

I also tried many of the gourmet, grain free, special, amazing (ly expensive) 
options that Chewy had to offer. I have now decided that feeding Fancy Feast 
Classic pates (they're currently eating beef or chicken) and/or Sheba pates 
(same flavors) is fine. Some would eat one kind, some another, but hundreds of 
$ worth of the "Good Stuff" went to the ferals and raccoons. I don't feed dry 
(the stone forming thing again) often. If you have only a few cats, I had 
pretty good luck with Hound and Gatos and Wild Calling carb free varieties.

Good Luck :)

Margo 



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--- 
From: gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com>  
Sent: Jan 8, 2016 10:55 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share? 

If you use Gerbers, make sure you use stage 2 only.  the small 2.5 oz jars 
because they are strictly meat and water with a tad of cornstarch in it. 

No onions or garlic in these.  The ones you want are Ham (no salt added), 
Chicken, Turkey or Beef with gravy. 

 

Nancy & the gang



-Original Message-
From: dlgegg <dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> >
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

I have used baby food, just make sue that it does not have any garlic or 
onioin, Gerbers is pretty good.
I have also boiled chicken for my soup and held out some before I put in garlic 
and onion. 

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > 
wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a
> swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
> illness, he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even
> though we have the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to
> sleep a lot more than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid
> vitamin/mineral supplement with iron in it.
> 
> 
> 
> When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed him
> anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food. Now
> that he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo dry
> food. In my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any
> "fish-based" food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I think
> it has something to do with bacteria but I'm not sure.
> 
> 
> 
> I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil
> chicken and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she
> didn't like it much. So - I am looking for a way to make something out of
> "people quality" meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am thinking
> it will have to have a "pate" consistency and be fairly flavorful.

Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you very much for the ideas……..I too have had to toss out a lot of the 
$3.00 cans to who-knows-what outside where we live.

 

I will look for some of these brandsmy vet told me to keep on with the 
salmon flavor since he will eat it. She also said the chicken-flavor dry Blue 
Buffalo is okay for him as long as he eats it. I’m just taking it one day at a 
time, and supplementing with liquid vitamin/minerals including iron. I don’t 
give him the full dose, not sure why.

 

Thanks again everyone!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

 

Remember that baby food is NOT a "complete and balanced" diet. 

The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so lovingly 
prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate raw. And I'm a 
GOOD cook 

I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often frowned upon. 
I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp) by-products are 
allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I do think it may be a 
trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers are also my two FeLV+'s. 
So most of the time, I don't offer fish based foods.

I also tried many of the gourmet, grain free, special, amazing (ly expensive) 
options that Chewy had to offer. I have now decided that feeding Fancy Feast 
Classic pates (they're currently eating beef or chicken) and/or Sheba pates 
(same flavors) is fine. Some would eat one kind, some another, but hundreds of 
$ worth of the "Good Stuff" went to the ferals and raccoons. I don't feed dry 
(the stone forming thing again) often. If you have only a few cats, I had 
pretty good luck with Hound and Gatos and Wild Calling carb free varieties.

Good Luck :)

Margo 



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--- 
From: gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com>  
Sent: Jan 8, 2016 10:55 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share? 

If you use Gerbers, make sure you use stage 2 only.  the small 2.5 oz jars 
because they are strictly meat and water with a tad of cornstarch in it. 

No onions or garlic in these.  The ones you want are Ham (no salt added), 
Chicken, Turkey or Beef with gravy. 

 

Nancy & the gang



-Original Message-
From: dlgegg <dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> >
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

I have used baby food, just make sue that it does not have any garlic or 
onioin, Gerbers is pretty good.
I have also boiled chicken for my soup and held out some before I put in garlic 
and onion. 

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > 
wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a
> swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
> illness, he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even
> though we have the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to
> sleep a lot more than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid
> vitamin/mineral supplement with iron in it.
> 
> 
> 
> When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed him
> anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food. Now
> that he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo dry
> food. In my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any
> "fish-based" food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I think
> it has something to do with bacteria but I'm not sure.
> 
> 
> 
> I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil
> chicken and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she
> didn't like it much. So - I am looking for a way to make something out of
> "people quality" meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am thinking
> it will have to have a "pate" consistency and be fairly flavorful. This
> kitty doesn't seem to think he should eat any people food, whereas my other
> one believes she should only eat people food.
> 
> 
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated - I will go to whatever lengths needed to
> make a good food for him. (I have tried the fresh cat food at Pet Food Plus
> and he won't touch it. I have also tried all the other canned stuff, even
> the super expensive kinds.)
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Ardy Robertson
> 
>

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you for all your well wishes. Tigger means the world to us!!
Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9

AMEN to that!

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> 
> That is great news Ardy, on both fronts. I am glad that Tigger is doing 
> better, and that interferon was effective for him. I am also happy that your 
> vet has had a change of heart on the Winstrol should you need it in the 
> future. I hope, like you, that maybe with some effective options, vets will 
> begin to offer suggestions other than immediately putting down FeLV cats. And 
> I think that change in attitude begins with being willing to work with 
> dedicated cat lovers who are willing to go the extra mile to save their 
> babies.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: December-21-15 10:40 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9
> 
> My Tigger who is FeLV+ and was sick, has since rounded the corner and is 
> better. My vet had him on interferon. After she considered him to be “back to 
> normal” she wanted to wait 30 days and retest him for the virus. I had him 
> retested two weeks ago, and he is still positive unfortunately but is doing 
> wonderfully – eating, drinking, playing, happy etc. He had lost two and a 
> half pounds, and has gained it all back except for 2/10’s of a pound. She 
> said he could go on like this indefinitely, but is still considered a 
> “carrier”. I of course will not have him near other cats except his housemate 
> who is 18 and negative. They originally wanted me to put her down too (and 
> she is perfectly healthy – just old.) Hello! Could I at least wait until she 
> gets sick??? Duh.
> 
> Since Tigger is still positive, I asked the vet about Winstrol if he needs 
> something later on, and she is now AGREEABLE to getting it for me at that 
> point if necessary. I am located in West Central Wisconsin. I hope I never 
> need to ask for it, but  it was nice to hear that she is willing to prescribe 
> it if I want it. Maybe there are a few vets that are beginning to listen. 
> When Tigger first got sick, she did not offer it, but I have mentioned it to 
> her a few times so she may have done some reading on it. I also am using a 
> second vet who is closer to my home for some of Tigg’s needs and have talked 
> to them about it too. Their position on FeLV+ cats has always been to 
> euthanize immediately, and since Tigger’s return to health, they were 
> questioning me on what my other vet did to treat him. Both of the vet offices 
> have been amazed at Tigger’s recovery, and seem to feel that now there is a 
> chance for FeLV+ cats. I pray every day that Tigger will live out the 
> remainder of his life as a healthy cat. He is 5 now, and they feel that he 
> was born with it, even though he tested negative when I first found him. 
> (They said he must have been “shedding” the virus at the time I had him 
> tested, so the test was inaccurate. Apparently you have to retest if you want 
> to be sure…..who knew?) They also told me the vaccination can be ineffective 
> in some cases.
> 
> Ardy
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9

[Ardy Robertson]

My Tigger who is FeLV+ and was sick, has since rounded the corner and is 
better. My vet had him on interferon. After she considered him to be “back to 
normal” she wanted to wait 30 days and retest him for the virus. I had him 
retested two weeks ago, and he is still positive unfortunately but is doing 
wonderfully – eating, drinking, playing, happy etc. He had lost two and a half 
pounds, and has gained it all back except for 2/10’s of a pound. She said he 
could go on like this indefinitely, but is still considered a “carrier”. I of 
course will not have him near other cats except his housemate who is 18 and 
negative. They originally wanted me to put her down too (and she is perfectly 
healthy – just old.) Hello! Could I at least wait until she gets sick??? Duh.

 

Since Tigger is still positive, I asked the vet about Winstrol if he needs 
something later on, and she is now AGREEABLE to getting it for me at that point 
if necessary. I am located in West Central Wisconsin. I hope I never need to 
ask for it, but  it was nice to hear that she is willing to prescribe it if I 
want it. Maybe there are a few vets that are beginning to listen. When Tigger 
first got sick, she did not offer it, but I have mentioned it to her a few 
times so she may have done some reading on it. I also am using a second vet who 
is closer to my home for some of Tigg’s needs and have talked to them about it 
too. Their position on FeLV+ cats has always been to euthanize immediately, and 
since Tigger’s return to health, they were questioning me on what my other vet 
did to treat him. Both of the vet offices have been amazed at Tigger’s 
recovery, and seem to feel that now there is a chance for FeLV+ cats. I pray 
every day that Tigger will live out the remainder of his life as a healthy cat. 
He is 5 now, and they feel that he was born with it, even though he tested 
negative when I first found him. (They said he must have been “shedding” the 
virus at the time I had him tested, so the test was inaccurate. Apparently you 
have to retest if you want to be sure…..who knew?) They also told me the 
vaccination can be ineffective in some cases. 

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 11:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9

 

I tried to send this on December 19th. It is being held to review by the 
listserve because it is too large a file. I don’t know how long it takes to 
review, but I think three days is a bit unreasonable. I am trying to send it 
again.

 

Amani

 

 

 

Dear Annette:

 

Believe me – I’ve talked and talked to my vets and a very good friend of mine 
who is also a senior research vet. They really can’t give me any reason for the 
bizarre response. They refer back to the rise in enzymes but also – like your 
vet – usually concede the rise is temporary and there is no real evidence of 
actual damage to the liver. Having had these conversations, researched the 
medication like crazy, especially in light of the amazing response I have seen 
in my cats, I ultimately came up with the theory of the bad association with 
athletic abuse. Maybe it’s a little like going in and asking for a substance 
that the general public associates with bad things – say cannabis (marijuana). 
Even with proof of a good response in animals (because there is also evidence 
on line of Winstrol’s effectiveness in dogs) the immediate reaction would be a 
negative one because of the public perception of cannabis.

 

However, the problem I have with this automatic and not-particularly 
well-thought out response is several-fold:

 

1.   We just DON’T have that many effective options with feline leukemia so 
to refuse to even consider a medication that may reverse the severe anemia 
which results from FeLV and seems to also boost the production of white cells 
and platelets, as well as allowing the animal to FEEL better, eat more and put 
on weight, is nonsensical, and frankly, the choice should be that of the owner 
– not the vet. If something might actually save my cat’s life, I have a right 
to know about it, rather than being told to put my cat down. Period.

2.   It is highly unlikely that a vet would not know if a person were 
instead abusing the medication for him/herself or selling it. At the 
recommended dose for a cat (1 mg tablets), a person would have to take 10 to 12 
tablets to get to the RECOMMENDED dose for a human. To abuse the drug at the 
levels taken by athletes, one would have to take more than double those number 
of tablets daily (and I have no idea how many more than double, since athletes 
sometimes use it at 100 or 1,000 times higher than the recommended dose). But 
even at the recommended human dose – ie – a level which is used in humans to 
treat things like severe anemia – the average number of pills given by a vet at 
one time for a cat (say 50 to 100 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks - I was just thinking this online pharmaceutical company may sell
it... I could not remember the name stanazolol. That way a person could
just bypass the vet, however that is very sad that one may have to do that.
Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

No - Winstrol is not a vitamin. It is an anabolic steroid. The other name is
stanazolol.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: November-24-15 12:32 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I found what I consider to be some very good liquid vitamins online at
Lambert Pharmaceuticals online...maybe they have Winstrol also. I think
Amani said it has another name also - you may need that to search.
Ardy


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Lorrie
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted
like it was a bad drug to use.

On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
>Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
>I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
>special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
>sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
>assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> 
> 
>Amani
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello Amani,

I am just curious if now, after seeing that Winstrol worked for Zander, does 
your particular vet office use Winstrol on other FeLV+ cats? If not, I wonder 
why not?

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

Osseo, WI

(Tigger’s mom)

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

 

Hi Jane

 

Our little Zander had his crisis when he was about 12 to 18 months old. He was 
close to death and under an oxygen mask to help him breath because his red 
cells and haematocrit were so critically low, he couldn’t move oxygen around 
his body via his blood circulation. We first tried giving him blood 
transfusions which helped with the immediate crisis, but didn’t “hold”. Two 
units of blood only bumped his haematocrit up from 5 to 16, which was still 
about half of the normal range. Over the subsequent weeks, as we tested his 
blood, it was clear that his red cells and haematocrit continued to drop, 
because red cells only have a life span of 120 days and then they die. His 
retic count was basically zero, showing he wasn’t producing any of his own red 
cells. 

 

We gave him a second blood transfusion when his haematocrit dropped back down 
to 10 from 16. They had to stop after a single unit of blood, because Zander 
had a reaction to the blood transfusion. They don’t cross-match as thoroughly 
as they do with people, and we were told that this meant that any more blood 
transfusions would probably kill him as he had developed a reaction.

 

So with his haematocrit once again dropping from 16 down to 10, I knew it was 
just a matter of time before it would drop down to dangerously low levels again 
and nothing we had tried (Immunoregulin, interferon, LTCI) had worked. I 
therefore did a hail Mary and rummaged through my drawers and found some 
Winstrol meant for another cat years before, who had not survived long enough 
for me to use it. Within 2-3 days (SERIOUSLY!), my husband and I noticed a 
slight blush in Zander’s gums (where they had been ivory white before) and when 
we took him in that week for testing, his haematocrit had gone up to 12. Though 
we were very skeptical that it could possibly be the Winstrol, (so, so simple, 
we thought it couldn’t be that the vets didn’t give us this), we kept him on it 
and lo and behold, all his cell lines began a slow and steady climb back into 
the normal ranges. It took 6-8 months to get him into the normal range and I 
kept him on the Winstrol the whole time, but cut the dose from the original 2 
mg 2 times a day to 1 mg 2 times a day. Whenever I would try to discontinue the 
Winstrol, there would be an immediate dip in his weekly blood work, so there is 
no question in my mind that the Winstrol was keeping his red cells in the 
normal range.

 

After about 10 months, I did wean him off to give his body a break, and he was 
doing phenomenally well. His appetite had immediately increased, right at the 
outset of the Winstrol usage, and his activity level also increased. The 
technician at the vet’s office who took his weekly bloodwork, told me that 
after about 3 months, she could feel the difference as he was feeling very 
solid and strong to her.

 

Zander lived to about the age of 7. He died from a heart condition that appears 
to have been caused by the initial FeLV infection, since I have since heard 
others on this chatlines describe the same type of heart problem that Zander 
ended up with. (No question I queried if it might have been the Winstrol but as 
much as I can reassure myself, I believe that it wasn’t, both from my research 
and from the fact that other people whose cats have FeLV also describe unusual 
heart problems later in their lives.) In any event, even if I had any doubt 
about the Winstrol, I also had no choice. There is no question at all that 
Zander was going to die before he even turned two. The vet specialist who saw 
Zander, told me that there was zero hope, since I couldn’t keep giving him 
blood transfusions. When I called him a year later to report on Zander’s 
condition, he was absolutely stunned that Zander was still alive.

 

I don’t think you need to do much blood testing with the Winstrol, but you may 
want to, to convince yourself (or more likely, your vet) that it is working. If 
my vet hadn’t tracked the blood results with me, I doubt she would have 
believed that the Winstrol could do this. The only think I caution about, and 
have indicated it many times on this chatline already, is that Winstrol can 
shoot up your cat’s liver enzymes. This freaks out the vets who insist on 
discontinuing the Winstrol. In Zander’s case, I obviously had to ignore this. 
He was going to die without this medication, so being worried about his liver 
was secondary to me, until he recovered. What I learned is that the enzyme 
increase is transitory in nature and leaves no lasting effect

Re: [Felvtalk] Saving them all - was:Merlot

[Ardy Robertson]

Wonderful idea!!!

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Saving them all - was:Merlot

 

I would also love to rescue them all - that is how I ended up with a house full 
of "misfits".  I was helping my local shelter with rescue & foster - the 
'adoptables' were socialized & brought back to the shelter for adoption - the 
ones that had "problems" I have kept...

 

What I would really love to see happen is for every single veterinary school to 
open a *free* neuter/spay clinic, regardless of income!  The schools are 
already set up to accept donations, bequeaths, etc, so not only would it give 
the student vets practice it would be addressing the problem of overpopulation 
at the roots.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO HELP ALL THE HELPLESS AND NEEDY. IF I WIN THE SWEEPS OR 
PUBLISHER'S CLEARING HOUSE SWEEPS, I WOULD BUY A LOT OF LAND AND TAKE THEM ALL 
IN.

 Lorrie  > 
wrote:
> I'm so sad for you Maya, the hurt of losing Merlot must be terrible.
> I'm now age 82 and I've been rescuing cats for 50 years. I've lost so
> many to old age or Felv, and it's heart breaking. The only comfort we
> have is knowing we loved those precious cats and made their lives,
> however short they might be, as wonderful as we could. So many cats
> never know love, the warmth of a home and food. I only wish I could
> save them all.
>
> Lorrie with 14 rescued cats at home and 32 in my shelter.
>
>
>
> On 11-17, dlg...@windstream.net   wrote:
>
> > I have lost 14 due to FELV and old age. Be it FELV or old age, it
> > hurts the same, but you must know that you did all you could and
> > Merlot knew that.
> >
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Ardy Robertson]

I am so very sorry…….

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 6:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

 

Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support over 
the month, it has been incredible. 

On Nov 17, 2015 12:48 AM, <dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:

They sense our love and concern.  I often bring a sick furbaby on my bed and 
stay awake all night because I am afraid they will get worse and I will not 
know in time to do something for them.  People think I am nuts, but I cannot 
not be concerned.

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:
> I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe every
> little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their
> actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works and
> what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces loving
> and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger, when he
> was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the night,
> dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up on
> the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where he felt
> safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of
> Lorrie
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:02 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
> You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable about
> cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
> On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>  wrote:
>
> > Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
> > Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

I found what I consider to be some very good liquid vitamins online at
Lambert Pharmaceuticals online...maybe they have Winstrol also. I think
Amani said it has another name also - you may need that to search.
Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted
like it was a bad drug to use.

On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using
>Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset,
>I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a
>special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol
>sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I must
>assume that she is prescribing it for other clients.
> 
> 
>Amani
> 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger

[Ardy Robertson]

Oh my Lorrie - do they all get along well? God bless you for taking them
in!!
Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger

Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years old and
still seem fine.  

Good luck with Tigger.

Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home

On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a
>complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that
>usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be
>very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing
>and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless
>to say I watch him like a hawk!
> 
>Ardy
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] cat fountains

[Ardy Robertson]

Im going to have to look into getting one.
Thanks for the cleaning tips

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felineres...@frontier.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat fountains

I CAN CLEAN BOTH FOUNTAINS IN HALF AN HOUR ONCE A WEEK.  GET A LARGE BOTTLE
OF WHITE VINGAR, PUT THE FOUNTAIN IN THE SINK, FILL I AND ADD ALL THE PARTS,
BREAK DOWN THE MOTOR AND LET THEM SOAK FOR 15 MINUTES.  USE A BRUSH ON HARD
TO GET AT PLACES, THEN RINSE.  AT THIS POINT I USUALLY POUR BAKING SODA DOWN
THE DRAIN AND THEN THE VINEGAR.  I HAVE HARD WATER AND VINEGAR GETS IT REAL
FAST.  THEN WHEN I REFILL, I USE A DROPPER FULL OF BRAGG'S VINEGAR IN EACH
AND USE A 32 OUNCE FAST FOOD CUP TO MEASURE AND FILL THEM  I ALSO INCLUDE
SOME ICE CUBES AS WE LOVE TO WATCH THEM BOUNCE AROUND IN THE FOUNTAIN AND IT
KEEPS THE WATER COOL.

 Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote: 
> 
> I have three fountains and the cats do drink lots more water this way, 
> however the fountains have to be maintainenced, often and it's kind of 
> a nuisance to clean them and change the filters etc.
> 
> .
> Dry food really isn't good for cats and can cause cystitis or UTIs.
> It's very convenient for us, but not the best thing to feed cats. I 
> don't leave food down (free feed) because I have one cat who has 
> urinary problems. I give my 14 cats canned food in 14 bowls every day 
> LOL, and I put water on their dry food when they get that. They don't 
> seem to mind, and they drink up the water then eat their portion of 
> dry food.  This way I am sure they get enough water. I have to watch 
> them tho, as three of them are pigs and they try to steal each others 
> food. I couldn't do this if I was still working, but I'm home all day 
> now and I can portion out the food according to the weight of each 
> cat.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 01-11, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> > That's what I heard - that moist food is like 70% water. I worry 
> > about his bladder/kidney because it is fish-based and that is all he 
> > will eat. (His dry food is chicken now)
> > 
> > I thought maybe some extra water would help with any bladder issues 
> > later on. He seems to smack his lips a bit now, like he is dry. He 
> > does like to catch water from the faucets if I leave a really small 
> > stream so I think he would enjoy a fountain maybe just for fun :)
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Ardy Robertson]

I found it in Eau Claire, WI at the Petco store - so if you have one of
those in your area you could try there.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?


I can't find a BB duck and rabbit canned, the only rabbit I see is dry. I
keep looking at the BB, and keep seeing way too many carbs for me. Maybe I'm
looking at the wrong ones? 

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Jan 12, 2016 2:42 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share?
>
>HAVE YOU TRIED BLUE BUFFALO?  THEY HAVE A DUCK AND RABBIT FLAVOR THAT MY
GUYS LOVE.
>
> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> That's what I heard - that moist food is like 70% water. I worry 
>> about his bladder/kidney because it is fish-based and that is all he 
>> will eat. (His dry food is chicken now)
>> 
>> I thought maybe some extra water would help with any bladder issues 
>> later on. He seems to smack his lips a bit now, like he is dry. He 
>> does like to catch water from the faucets if I leave a really small 
>> stream so I think he would enjoy a fountain maybe just for fun :)
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Amani Oakley
>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:29 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share?
>> 
>> He doesn't need as much water with moist food because he's getting it 
>> from the food.
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Ardy Robertson
>> Sent: January-10-16 11:09 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share?
>> 
>> I do worry about that aspect of it, and Tigg does not drink as much 
>> water as he used to either. I have started giving him a syringe of 
>> water now and then also. He used to drink a lot of water when his 
>> diet was mostly dry food, but now that he eats a lot of moist food, 
>> his actual water intake is less. I wonder if I got a "cat fountain" if he
would drink more???
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Nancy Wizner
>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 9:31 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share?
>> 
>> Fish is not good for their bladder. No one knows the amount of 
>> mercury in it either.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net>
>> <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> > I don't feed fish because my guys won't eat it.  Maybe they know 
>> > better
>> than I do.
>> > 
>> >  Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote: 
>> >> I heard Dr. Piersens is a good source - has books also. 
>> >>   
>> >> 
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> 
>> >> From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
>> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:37:18 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes 
>> >> to
>> share? 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> I may have to go online and see if I can purchase some of these 
>> >> suggested
>> varieties because none of our nearby retailers have any of these. 
>> >> 
>> >>   
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks!! 
>> >> 
>> >> Ardy
>> >> 
>> >>   
>> >> 
>> >>   
>> >> 
>> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
>> >> Behalf Of
>> gidge...@aol.com
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:30 PM
>> >> To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes 
>> >> to
>> share? 
>> >> 
>> >>   
>> >> 
>> >> My two (Kit and Baby) are eat

Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger

[Ardy Robertson]

Fabulous – you are really  giving me hope!!

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger

 

Luigi is 12 and still going strong :)

 

Amy

 

 

  _  

From: "dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> " 
<dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> ; 
felineres...@frontier.com <mailto:felineres...@frontier.com>  
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger


Annie is 8+ and still going strong.

 Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com <mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> > 
wrote: 
> Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years
> old and still seem fine.  
> 
> Good luck with Tigger.
> 
> Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home
> 
> On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> >My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a
> >complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that
> >usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be
> >very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing
> >and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless
> >to say I watch him like a hawk!
> > 
> >Ardy
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger

[Ardy Robertson]

Yayy!!!

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felineres...@frontier.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger

Annie is 8+ and still going strong.

 Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote: 
> Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years old 
> and still seem fine.
> 
> Good luck with Tigger.
> 
> Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home
> 
> On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> >My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live
a
> >complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that
> >usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to
be
> >very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing
> >and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill.
Needless
> >to say I watch him like a hawk!
> > 
> >Ardy
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Ardy Robertson]

That's what I heard - that moist food is like 70% water. I worry about his
bladder/kidney because it is fish-based and that is all he will eat. (His
dry food is chicken now)

I thought maybe some extra water would help with any bladder issues later
on. He seems to smack his lips a bit now, like he is dry. He does like to
catch water from the faucets if I leave a really small stream so I think he
would enjoy a fountain maybe just for fun :)

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

He doesn't need as much water with moist food because he's getting it from
the food.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: January-10-16 11:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

I do worry about that aspect of it, and Tigg does not drink as much water as
he used to either. I have started giving him a syringe of water now and then
also. He used to drink a lot of water when his diet was mostly dry food, but
now that he eats a lot of moist food, his actual water intake is less. I
wonder if I got a "cat fountain" if he would drink more???
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Nancy Wizner
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 9:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

Fish is not good for their bladder. No one knows the amount of mercury in it
either.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net>
<dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I don't feed fish because my guys won't eat it.  Maybe they know 
> better
than I do.
> 
>  Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote: 
>> I heard Dr. Piersens is a good source - has books also. 
>>   
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> 
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:37:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I may have to go online and see if I can purchase some of these 
>> suggested
varieties because none of our nearby retailers have any of these. 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> Thanks!! 
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
gidge...@aol.com 
>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:30 PM
>> To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share? 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> My two (Kit and Baby) are eating Holistic Select and at times Fancy 
>> Feast
Classics Chicken or Turkey.  Gee, if there are any homemade recipes 
>> 
>> 
>> that are good for them, I would love to hear about them.  Holisitic
Select is a no grain, no gluten food.  As for the fish?  No way would I feed
any 
>> 
>> 
>> of mine fish or anything with fish in it.  It's very bad on the 
>> bladder
and, yes, will eventually cause debris and sediment, which leads to crystals

>> 
>> 
>> and stones.   
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> Nancy & the gang. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Margo < toomanykitti...@earthlink.net >
>> To: felvtalk < felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 3:21 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share? 
>> 
>> 
>> Remember that baby food is NOT a "complete and balanced" diet. 
>> 
>> The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so
lovingly prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate
raw. And I'm a GOOD cook  
>> 
>> I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often 
>> frowned
upon. I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp)
by-products are allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I
do think it may be a trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers
are also my two FeLV+'s. So most of the time, I don't offer fish based
foods. 
>> 
>> I also tried many of the gourmet, grain free, special, amazing (ly
expensive) options that Chewy had to offer. I have now decided that feeding
Fancy Feas

Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Ardy Robertson]

I do worry about that aspect of it, and Tigg does not drink as much water as
he used to either. I have started giving him a syringe of water now and then
also. He used to drink a lot of water when his diet was mostly dry food, but
now that he eats a lot of moist food, his actual water intake is less. I
wonder if I got a "cat fountain" if he would drink more???
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Nancy Wizner
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 9:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

Fish is not good for their bladder. No one knows the amount of mercury in it
either.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net>
<dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I don't feed fish because my guys won't eat it.  Maybe they know better
than I do.
> 
>  Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote: 
>> I heard Dr. Piersens is a good source - has books also. 
>>   
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> 
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net> 
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:37:18 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I may have to go online and see if I can purchase some of these suggested
varieties because none of our nearby retailers have any of these. 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> Thanks!! 
>> 
>> Ardy 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
gidge...@aol.com 
>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:30 PM 
>> To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share? 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> My two (Kit and Baby) are eating Holistic Select and at times Fancy Feast
Classics Chicken or Turkey.  Gee, if there are any homemade recipes 
>> 
>> 
>> that are good for them, I would love to hear about them.  Holisitic
Select is a no grain, no gluten food.  As for the fish?  No way would I feed
any 
>> 
>> 
>> of mine fish or anything with fish in it.  It's very bad on the bladder
and, yes, will eventually cause debris and sediment, which leads to crystals

>> 
>> 
>> and stones.   
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> Nancy & the gang. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Margo < toomanykitti...@earthlink.net > 
>> To: felvtalk < felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > 
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 3:21 pm 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
share? 
>> 
>> 
>> Remember that baby food is NOT a "complete and balanced" diet. 
>> 
>> The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so
lovingly prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate
raw. And I'm a GOOD cook  
>> 
>> I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often frowned
upon. I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp)
by-products are allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I
do think it may be a trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers
are also my two FeLV+'s. So most of the time, I don't offer fish based
foods. 
>> 
>> I also tried many of the gourmet, grain free, special, amazing (ly
expensive) options that Chewy had to offer. I have now decided that feeding
Fancy Feast Classic pates (they're currently eating beef or chicken) and/or
Sheba pates (same flavors) is fine. Some would eat one kind, some another,
but hundreds of $ worth of the "Good Stuff" went to the ferals and raccoons.
I don't feed dry (the stone forming thing again) often. If you have only a
few cats, I had pretty good luck with Hound and Gatos and Wild Calling carb
free varieties. 
>> 
>> Good Luck :) 
>> 
>> Margo 
>> 
>> 
>> The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so
lovingly prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate
raw. And I'm a GOOD cook  
>> 
>> I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often frowned
upon. I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp)
by-products are allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I
do think it may be a trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers
are also my two FeLV+'s. So most of the time, I don't offer fish based
foods. 
>> 
>> I a

Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[Ardy Robertson]

My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a 
complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that usually 
kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be very vigilant. I 
asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing and she said no, not unless 
he is showing signs of being ill. Needless to say I watch him like a hawk!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

 

I heard Dr. Piersens is a good source - has books also.

 

 

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From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:37:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

 

I may have to go online and see if I can purchase some of these suggested 
varieties because none of our nearby retailers have any of these.

 

Thanks!!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:30 PM
To: toomanykitti...@earthlink.net <mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> ; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

 

My two (Kit and Baby) are eating Holistic Select and at times Fancy Feast 
Classics Chicken or Turkey.  Gee, if there are any homemade recipes 

that are good for them, I would love to hear about them.  Holisitic Select is a 
no grain, no gluten food.  As for the fish?  No way would I feed any

of mine fish or anything with fish in it.  It's very bad on the bladder and, 
yes, will eventually cause debris and sediment, which leads to crystals

and stones.  

 

Nancy & the gang.

 

-Original Message-
From: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
<mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> >
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

Remember that baby food is NOT a "complete and balanced" diet. 

 

The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so lovingly 
prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate raw. And I'm a 
GOOD cook 

 

I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often frowned upon. 
I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp) by-products are 
allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I do think it may be a 
trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers are also my two FeLV+'s. 
So most of the time, I don't offer fish based foods.

 

I also tried many of the gourmet, grain free, special, amazing (ly expensive) 
options that Chewy had to offer. I have now decided that feeding Fancy Feast 
Classic pates (they're currently eating beef or chicken) and/or Sheba pates 
(same flavors) is fine. Some would eat one kind, some another, but hundreds of 
$ worth of the "Good Stuff" went to the ferals and raccoons. I don't feed dry 
(the stone forming thing again) often. If you have only a few cats, I had 
pretty good luck with Hound and Gatos and Wild Calling carb free varieties.

 

Good Luck :)

 

Margo 

 

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--- 
From: gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com>  
Sent: Jan 8, 2016 10:55 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share? 

 

If you use Gerbers, make sure you use stage 2 only.  the small 2.5 oz jars 
because they are strictly meat and water with a tad of cornstarch in it. 

No onions or garlic in these.  The ones you want are Ham (no salt added), 
Chicken, Turkey or Beef with gravy. 

 

Nancy & the gang

 

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From: dlgegg <dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> >
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

 

I have used baby food, just make sue that it does not have any garlic or 
onioin, Gerbers is pretty good.
I have also boiled chicken for my soup and held out some before I put in garlic 
and onion. 

 

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > 
wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a
> swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
> illness, he is still positive. H

Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis

[Ardy Robertson]

On a side note, even though one would certainly never ever want to see  kitty 
be blind, we had my dad's cat after my parents passed away, and she lived to be 
19. Dodsie went blind about the last two years of her life -- completely blind. 
But for some reason it did not hinder her. She adapted. We did not really even 
notice anything other than she went up and down the steps on the far right 
side, so she nearly touched the wall as she went. Then she mostly stayed near 
the outside wall of the room. I would put her kitty beds touching the wall 
where she felt comfortable. She found her dishes because they were where they 
always were. She continued to interact with us as if nothing had happened. She 
came when we called her and would lay on our laps and purr etc. As long as she 
was not in pain, we just let her be. We had another cat (that we still have - 
Peekers) and she was young at that time, and they interacted as if nothing was 
wrong. Then one day in 2005 she just went to sleep peacefully.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 6:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis

Amani, I am glad we hae you in the group!


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Bob, I’d be giving the cortisone treatment a try, but because this problem is 
> caused by the FeLV virus, you really have to go after the virus itself. 
> Trying to fight the battle to save the eyes on their own, won’t be enough 
> while the virus is still attacking the body. Try the Winstrol with prednisone 
> and doxycycline, along with the corticol topical treatment.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: May-27-16 11:31 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis
> 
> Wonder if anyone has has any success with treating Uveitis in FeLV cats.  
> I've had my 10 mo. old guy to two different Vets...One prescribed tribple ABX 
> with Corticosteroid which had no appreciable effect the other vet 
> counseled against using Cortisones due to the risk of Corneal Ulcers 
> Without treatment my guy is now losing his vision...he has blood in the 
> Anterior Chamber in both eyes and Lens clouding in the right eye.  It is 
> getting VERY troubling when I get different opinions about something so 
> important  I'm having rather a difficult time sitting by and letting my 
> guy go blind. The Literature all points to Corticosteroid Drops as the 
> first line treatment  but this is for the disease as it affects so called 
> " normal " cats.Which is the lesser of evils with Cortisone Tx in 
> this case..??
> 
> Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his eyes 
> a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from Gunking up 
> but.  He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all inclined to do 
> further testing.   Again  it's like they are saying " Oh isn't it 
> nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty but, really, don't try TOO 
> hard"
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY


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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Ardy Robertson]

I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker

I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing due
to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was so
very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,
and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was laying
on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
now.

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

I did not know there was more than one kind of FeLV……. I truly wish they would 
work on finding a cure.

 

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

Yes - she said because after they receive the FeLV vaccination, they always
test positive for FeLV. I did not know if this was true or not. She seemed
like she knew what she was talking about - she knows a lot about animal
nutrition etc. but of course is not a vet or anything.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the 
>FeLV vaccine is not a good idea.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
> 
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
>old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
>positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
>not fully developed.
>
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

I know... I could not believe that she told me that. And yes, her dogs
are in contact with the dogs that go to her classes and also to her doggie
day care. Maybe she had to get them vaccinated when she went on her own and
opened her own business but when she worked at a different one, they were
not vaccinated. Yes, I agree she could get in trouble too - and yet, I see
her point too.

Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should
be careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only
takes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and
she could be in deep doo-doo. 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated
and subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care. 

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but 
>not for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies 
>vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not 
>vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be 
>spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
>And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
>
>I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care 
>and training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not 
>have them vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with 
>it, but she believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an 
>advocate for feeding raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
>
>Thank you,
>Ardy Robertson, Clerk
>Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
>N14438 Valleybrook Ln
>Osseo  WI  54758
>715-533-0661
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Rachel Dagner
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 
>and she has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year 
>rabies shot she got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her 
>hip and rib cage that is still there, they said it is nothing to worry 
>about, but I do not think I will get the rabies vaccine for her again. 
>I pray that they are right and the bump is nothing and will eventually go
away.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
>
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
>old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
>positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
>not fully developed.
>
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

Yes – I know. When we moved to our new home 14 years ago, Scotchie got out and 
was gone for two days, right after I had him vaccinated for rabies – I think he 
was mad at me for taking him in. I took off work and searched for him from 
morning to night. I finally found him on the second day and he was in some 
bushes and would not come to me. He was acting weird. I went into the bushes 
and got him and he was scared of me…and he hung on tight with his claws, 
drawing some blood. He died a couple days later, and the vet asked if he 
scratched me and I said yes. So they insisted on doing a test on his head for 
$100 to see if he had rabies. They wanted to do a complete autopsy for $700 and 
I said no – he was already gone. He had stopped eating/drinking right after the 
rabies shot, and they gave him sub-q fluids and put him on some pills that I 
found out later can cause convulsions in puppies. He had convulsions and yet 
they did not think it was from the pills.

 

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 



Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the 
consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the 
critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY 
of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever, especially the 
most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons often occupy 
attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.

I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out. There 
are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught, a human 
may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and if the anial 
has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal MUST be tested.



-Original Message- 
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv 




Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after 
a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something 
called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they 
need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? 
Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. :( Horrible. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Ardy Robertson]

Rachel – you sound like you are going through a lot of the feelings I had after 
Tigger passed away. I quite accidentally looked over at the kitties in PetSmart 
– I was NOT going to look at them that day. But Topaz looks very similar to 
Tigger even though she is a girl and Tigg was a boy. That somehow is comforting 
– even though I am determined to not compare the two of them. I even had GUILT 
about liking Topaz. But I did feel like I had to get her out of that glass 
enclosure, and heck – I have a big house, what’s wrong with bringing one home. 
You will know if it is okay to help out another kitty…….Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 8:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t know if 
it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday my appetite 
is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein shakes. My eyes 
are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the misfortune of looking at me, 
or being around me for that matter. Well, I of course cried all of the way to 
the vets, and all the way home. But then I curled up in bed with my little box 
of Tucker, and I actually did feel a little more at peace. I laid there with 
him and went through my pictures again and talked to him about all of my 
feelings and my love for him, about our memories and how much I miss him. 

 

I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet finder, they 
test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don’t. I know that there is no 
sure thing with testing, and I wouldn’t trade my time with Tucker for anything 
in the world. I just know that emotionally and financially I am not ready for 
FELV again right now. If it happens, just like with any illness, then I deal 
with it, because that is what you do.  I am going to Petsmart over in Tampa on 
Sunday to meet their kitties, I have no idea if I will be ready, or if this is 
what I desperately need to do to help me heal, but it won’t hurt to go meet 
them and see how my heart feels. One of the greatest gifts Tucker gave me is 
that “no cats” Harry, when I showed him a pictures of a kitty on Pet finder he 
said  “Is that the one you want to get?” So I know now that I will never again 
have to live without the feel of that soft fur on my face or the heart melting 
sound of purring in my ear. It is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I 
am scared not to. I guess we will see what happens…

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your fur-baby. 
The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even though I said I 
would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my heart, but Topaz is 
easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had with Tigger or like you 
had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a reason to not try again, and with 
all the little homeless kitties, I think Tigger would have wanted me to help 
another kitty. Certainly take your time, but I hope you can open your heart 
again at some point.

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for 
me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my 
adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him 
that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had him for 
a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency vet visits, 
surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He touched my life 
and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can keep him close to 
me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved and adored more than 
anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K. <kaths...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kaths...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories you 
shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you. 

 

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net 
<mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:

I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.

Ardy

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<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felinele

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

r over this). This isn’t because 
rabies just up and disappeared people! It’s because Australia is an island so 
it has a contained land mass surrounded by water, and no new animals can wander 
in from a neighbouring country, and with a long and aggressive rabies 
vaccination program (including putting rabies vaccine laced food out for wild 
animals as we do in Ontario too), they have managed to eradicate the disease in 
the entire country. And that’s of course why Australia got so snitty with 
Johnny Depp who smuggled in his dogs (not that I don’t sympathize).

 

Do your own research into the history of the infections brought under control 
by vaccinations, learn how they work, and don’t listen to anti-vaxxers! I have 
yet to meet one who had anywhere near the grasp of the body and the immune 
system as I do (and I no longer work in the health care community), and I can 
argue circles around their logic and lack of knowledge. I agree that with our 
animals, I suspect that vets in the past took annual vaccines for granted, and 
they are probably not needed annually, but don’t throw the baby out with the 
bath water.

 

Amani

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: June-09-16 6:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 



Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the 
consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the 
critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY 
of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever, especially the 
most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons often occupy 
attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.

I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out. There 
are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught, a human 
may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and if the anial 
has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal MUST be tested.

-Original Message- 
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv 



Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after 
a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something 
called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they 
need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? 
Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. :( Horrible. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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[Felvtalk] Go Fund Me account help for SC

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi everyone,

So far the go-fund-me account seems to be the best option in my opinion. If
someone could repost the link, I will donate again. Possibly this fund could
help to get them into one of the mobile homes Amani found. In that case the
son will have a place to be and care for the animals while his mom undergoes
her transplant.

Thanks,

Ardy

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

I googled ‘Raltegravir HIV integrase inhibitor for feline FeLV’ and several 
articles popped up… I have a million things to get done tonight so I don’t have 
time to read them all tonight, but perhaps the information is online.

 

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 8:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

 

the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately 
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her name 
here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her? Her 
story is very inspiring 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.

I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.

Thank you,
Ardy Robertson, Clerk
Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
N14438 Valleybrook Ln
Osseo  WI  54758
715-533-0661


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Rachel Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.

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Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-

My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
fully developed.


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after 
a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something 
called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they 
need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? 
Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. :( Horrible. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Ardy Robertson]

Wondering what the vet’s reason for not wanting to prescribe Winstrol?

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

 

Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note 
more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet 
expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS one prescribed 
Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 2x for the 
less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing dose) and 
Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I am so 
happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol ...  
Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know if 
improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or 
must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I 
have read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits

Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Ardy Robertson]

I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your fur-baby. 
The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even though I said I 
would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my heart, but Topaz is 
easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had with Tigger or like you 
had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a reason to not try again, and with 
all the little homeless kitties, I think Tigger would have wanted me to help 
another kitty. Certainly take your time, but I hope you can open your heart 
again at some point.

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for 
me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my 
adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him 
that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had him for 
a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency vet visits, 
surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He touched my life 
and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can keep him close to 
me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved and adored more than 
anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  

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On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K. <kaths...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kaths...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories you 
shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you. 

 

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net 
<mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:

I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.

Ardy

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker

I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing due
to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was so
very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,
and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was laying
on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
now.

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
vaccine is not a good idea.

Ardy

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Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-
 
My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
fully developed.  


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

Amani - would you agree that Tigger's was the same type that Zander had also
then? And I feel that the Winstrol was working for Tigger's bone marrow also
- it just did not have enough time, in other words if I had gotten the
Winstrol into him a few months earlier, we likely would have seen more long
term improvement.

Ardy

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Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That's interesting information. That also means that what my little Zander
had would have been the FeLV C form because his bone marrow was completely
shut down AND the Winstrol regimen worked on what, according to the vet, is
the most lethal form.

Amani

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Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-08-16 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

To answer your question, he said that the full blown symptoms determine the
type of Felv. Meaning that bone murrow consumption is a typical sign of Felv
C. The strains were identified in Vitro BUT there is no way to differentiate
them through a test. I don't know what to say. I don't trust vets because
they don't care enough.



Sent from my iPhone

> On 07 giu 2016, at 13:01, Realissa Dekraunti 
wrote:
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
> Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

[Ardy Robertson]

ia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol

Thank you very much Ardy.  Now to get my vet to comply.

Lorrie
-

On 05-19, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> Hi Lorrie,
>
> I found Winstrol (Stanozolol) at a compounding pharmacy called Diamond 
> Back
> Drugs in Arizona. They offered it in other forms besides liquid, I can't
> remember all of them so they might have it in pill form. I bought it in
> liquid because that was easier for me to give to Tigger and he liked the
> salmon flavor. I would let him smell the syringe before I gave it and he 
> did
> not try to avoid it. The company's website is
> http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/   and their phone number is 
> 866-578-4420  .
>
> I found them to be very good to work with, very efficient and also caring.
> The company seems large, but they take time to talk with you individually
> also. The vet had to fill out the prescription online, or fax it to them.
> Then they would call me to verify the address, and for me to give them
> payment by credit card. I paid $42 for a 25 day supply.
>
> Hope this helps. If they do not have pill form, you might be able to find
> other sources by googling "compounding pharmacy veterinarian".
> Ardy
>
>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Can we try to help this woman who is helping cats??

[Ardy Robertson]

Are they allowing her to keep her pets in this hotel? Or are they somewhere 
else?

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 7:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can we try to help this woman who is helping cats??

 

Hey folks. This is amazing! We are up to $660 in just two hours! Thanks so much 
to those of you donating.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: June-01-16 6:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  ; Margo
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can we try to help this woman who is helping cats??

 

Thanks to Margo, who got the ball rolling right away, we are already up to $560 
in donations to Sharon’s GoFundMe Campaign, in just a few hours. What a 
generous bunch we are! It would be great if we could get to $600 today. Anyone 
else able to chip in $40 or $50?

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: June-01-16 5:38 PM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can we try to help this woman who is helping cats??

 

Thanks Margo. Any assistance you can give would be tremendous. I think she is 
in North Charleston if that sounds right to you. She is staying at the Red Roof 
Inn, I think it’s called, - the North Charleston Coliseum one.

 

Thanks again.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: June-01-16 5:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can we try to help this woman who is helping cats??

 


Amani, 

  I will help, but I can't seem to get back to the posts that 
tell where she is. I know I saw it, and I'm pretty sure it was towards the 
coast. I'm in NW SC, too far to actually be of hands-on help. I do have someone 
near Columbia, but that may not be near enough.

  I'll check the GoFundMe, that may answer some questions...

Margo
 

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Sent: Jun 1, 2016 4:06 PM 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  " 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Can we try to help this woman who is helping cats?? 

Hi Everyone

 

A while back, a member of this group posted about a woman in South Carolina who 
needed help in placing some cats, one of whom was FeLV positive and 9 years 
old, so obviously would be immediately put down if taken to a shelter. The 
woman was about to lose her own housing and was trying to place these cats so 
they would not be homeless too. 

 

 

The woman, Sharon Follin Jowers, was desperately trying to find homes for her 
five older cats and her son’s dog, before being forced to live on the street. 
When I heard about her, my heart went out to her because Sharon clearly was 
motivated first and foremost about concern for where her animals were going to 
end up if she became homeless.

 

I spent quite a while looking into the situation because, frankly, I wanted to 
know if there was a better answer than placing her adult animals with strangers 
and her losing her house. I also wanted to be sure that it wasn’t a scam.

 

I have now spoken to Sharon on a few occasions, and emailed back and forth with 
her. I think that not only is her situation legit, but it is far worse than I 
initially imagined. She has severe COPD and was approved for a double-lung 
transplant, but that is now in jeopardy because she doesn’t have stable housing 
nor a car to get her to the city where the transplant was to take place, along 
with the numerous treatments before and after the transplant. She lives on 
oxygen and can barely move around and is so emaciated it is disturbing. Not 
surprisingly, this is very much hampering her ability to find new housing.

 

The issue with the housing, as best as I can understand it as a Canadian and 
not being familiar with South Carolina, etc., is that she had accommodations 
which were paid for by the state, but that housing had to meet certain 
standards. Her landlord refused to fix the plumbing and there was mold found 
from previous flooding, and so the state refused to pay him and he evicted her. 
She paid her part of her January rent but the state did not pay its share 
because of the condition of disrepair. She was evicted shortly after that. She 
has a Form 8 (I think) certificate which means that if she can find appropriate 
housing, the state will cover the rent, but she has not been able to find any 
accommodations which satisfy the state and medical requirements – for example, 
the place has to have no stairs. This isn’t 

Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Lorrie.

Ardy


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Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 8:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV groups


It is the vaccination for FIV, not FelV, that causes a cat to test positive
for FIV, and you are certainly right about the tests for FelV being a
crapshoot.

Lorrie


On 05-31, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>That stress thing I believe is a big factor. Tigger, who apparently had
>FeLV since he was a kitten, was living a healthy life as an indoor-only
>cat, and the only other cat I had indoors with him was an old-lady cat
>named Peekers. They got along great, slept together, ate together, etc.
>I was unaware that Tigger had FeLV since I had him tested when I found
>him. Then in November of 2014 I brought in a stray female who was well
>behaved at first, but then became jealous of the attention I gave
>Tigger and she would run up behind him and bite him hard. Tigger was
>stressed out about it and was always looking over his shoulder,
>wondering when she would bite him next. I believe that is what caused
>his last FeLV crisis which began in September of 2015.
> 
> 
>I have since adopted a one year old female named Topaz, and she came
>from a shelter through a pet store. They told me she is spayed, wormed
>and has had all her shots. I asked about testing/vaccinating for FeLV,
>and they said "FeLV is a crapshoot". They said the testing is not
>reliable and the vaccination is often not effective. My vet told me
>this before that. But the manager of the pet store also said once you
>vaccinate a cat for FeLV, they will always test positivedoes anyone
>know if this is true or not?
> 
> 
>Thank you!!
> 
>Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Ardy Robertson]

I am actually thinking that next time around I will adopt a more senior cat. My 
age is getting to be more “senior” in nature, and I worry that if my pets 
outlive me, what will happen to them? Both of my kids say they would take them, 
but my daughter is more of a dog person, and her hubby is very allergic to 
cats. And my son loves cats, but is gone all the time traveling – I just don’t 
think either would be an ideal situation.

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 2:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 


Rachel, "senior" rescue isn't for everyone, and I don't fault you at all. ANY 
cat who finds a home is cause for celebration. If we couldn't place  the young 
ones the less adoptables would be out of time that much more quickly. It's hard 
to wait for the right cat, but you'll find her. 

Good luck :)

Margo

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Sent: Jun 11, 2016 9:45 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker 




Yes, the two I am looking at are girls as well and look very similar to Tucker. 
I figure girls have way less of chance for getting blockages.  I know I will 
disappoint a lot of people on here, as well as some friends that do rescue by 
admitting they are young kitties and not old. I do feel a lot of guilt because 
I don't want any kitty to not have a home, but in the end it needs to be my 
decision and I have thought about the pros and cons a great deal. I wish I 
could save them all.  I am praying my new kitty will get used to riding in the 
car and will take her to work to get her used to it. Tucker actually loved 
riding in the car, when he was homeless at work he used to follow me to my car 
and put his paws up on the door ledge to get in. When I did take him home he 
snuggled right in the crate and looked positively content. I took him to the 
mountains on vacation. We had a nice cabin with a huge screened porch so he 
could watch the wildlife. I also have the pet tracking gps collar he had to 
wear on vacation just in case. I never left Tucker or Daizy in the eleven years 
I had her with a sitter, where I go they go or I just don't go, I don't trust 
anyone with my animals except my mom and she lives in Texas. I want my new 
kitty to travel too if at all possible and will work very hard to make this 
happen. I also hope to get her used to brushing her teeth every night just like 
Daizy. And I hope that she and Daizy will play together like she and Tucker 
did. I hope that Harry will fall in love with her antics and cuteness like he 
did Tucker and come to appreciate cats even more, and even fall in love with 
her.  I meet them tomorrow and hope I feel something when I do. I desperately 
need to heal from this aching emptiness. One thing I know for sure is that my 
kitty will never see a shelter again. Even if I  die my family would never let 
that happen. It makes me so mad that people adopt a pet only to later find it 
"inconvenient" for whatever reason.  They give up their animal yet end up 
getting another one later. Pets are forever for better or worse. Anyways I hope 
everyone still likes me even though I am looking at young kitties after all 
they need a good home and life too and one will have that with me for all of 
her days. 

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On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net 
<mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:

Rachel – you sound like you are going through a lot of the feelings I had after 
Tigger passed away. I quite accidentally looked over at the kitties in PetSmart 
– I was NOT going to look at them that day. But Topaz looks very similar to 
Tigger even though she is a girl and Tigg was a boy. That somehow is comforting 
– even though I am determined to not compare the two of them. I even had GUILT 
about liking Topaz. But I did feel like I had to get her out of that glass 
enclosure, and heck – I have a big house, what’s wrong with bringing one home. 
You will know if it is okay to help out another kitty…….Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 8:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t know if 
it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday my appetite 
is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein shakes. My eyes 
are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the misfortune of looking at me, 
or being around me for that matter. Well, I of course cried all of the way to 
the vets, and all the way home. But then I curled up in bed with my little box 
of Tucker, and I actually did feel a little more at peace. I laid there 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Ardy Robertson]

Well I haven't worried about those things, but I do keep checking Topaz' pads 
of his feet to be sure they are bright pink. I could not go through that again 
- at least for a while. Either I have been very fortunate or FeLV is getting 
more rampant in our area because I have had numerous cats throughout my life 
and other than an occasional accident (back when I let them outside), my cats 
all lived to be around 18 or 19. My Patches lived to be 21, and he was an 
in/out cat his whole life. Then one day he did not return. But he was healthy 
right up until he left. Now my cats are indoor except for Cally who just hates 
it indoors. And she has an insulated little house to go in which is built up on 
a platform and the door is only large enough for her to go through, and it is 
in a garage where the door is always open. Other animals don't seem to dare to 
go in there.
Ardy



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

I am hoping Josie (Jo Jo) the new kitty gets to be the Guinness Records oldest 
cat someday. By then I too will be old enough to worry about out living the 
next one. Am I the only one who after losing a very special kitty tragically 
young and getting a new one, has little panic attacks that something bad will 
happen to the new one? She, her siblings and her mother all tested negative for 
FELV/FIV, but I find myself looking at her and thinking OMG what if she has a 
heart murmur, what if she has FIP, what if she gets cancer, what if I forget to 
put the toilet seat down and she falls in. Ok, so she is big enough to get out 
of the toilet if she fell in, but what if she bumped her head on the way in! 
Yes, I am actually constantly checking the toilets in the house.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

Check out Rustic Hollow.

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> I am actually thinking that next time around I will adopt a more 
> senior cat. My age is getting to be more “senior” in nature, and I 
> worry that if my pets outlive me, what will happen to them? Both of my 
> kids say they would take them, but my daughter is more of a dog 
> person, and her hubby is very allergic to cats. And my son loves cats, 
> but is gone all the time traveling – I just don’t think either would be an 
> ideal situation.
>
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Margo
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 2:00 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>
>
>
> Rachel, "senior" rescue isn't for everyone, and I don't fault you at all.
> ANY cat who finds a home is cause for celebration. If we couldn't 
> place the young ones the less adoptables would be out of time that 
> much more quickly. It's hard to wait for the right cat, but you'll find her.
>
> Good luck :)
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Jun 11, 2016 9:45 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>
>
>
> Yes, the two I am looking at are girls as well and look very similar 
> to Tucker. I figure girls have way less of chance for getting 
> blockages.  I know I will disappoint a lot of people on here, as well 
> as some friends that do rescue by admitting they are young kitties and 
> not old. I do feel a lot of guilt because I don't want any kitty to 
> not have a home, but in the end it needs to be my decision and I have 
> thought about the pros and cons a great deal. I wish I could save them 
> all.  I am praying my new kitty will get used to riding in the car and 
> will take her to work to get her used to it. Tucker actually loved 
> riding in the car, when he was homeless at work he used to follow me 
> to my car and put his paws up on the door ledge to get in. When I did 
> take him home he snuggled right in the crate and looked positively 
> content. I took him to the mountains on vacation. We had a nice cabin 
> with a huge screened porch so he could watch the wildlife. I also have 
> the pet tracking gps collar he had to wear on vacation just in case. I 
> never left Tucker or Daizy in the eleven years I had her with a 
> sitter, where I go they go or I just don't go, I don't trust anyone 
> with my animals except my mom and she lives in Texas. I want my new 
> kitty to travel too if at all possible and will work very hard to make 
> this happen. I also hope to get her used to bru

Re: [Felvtalk] Our cats

[Ardy Robertson]

We actually roamed the woods around our house until after 1 a.m. with
flashlights looking for Tigger when the door got left open once. We were
frantic and it was cold and snow on the ground etc. I had been all over the
house looking for him in case he had not gotten out but with the door
standing almost wide open I was sure he was outside. Finally about 3 a.m. on
about my fifth trip to the basement, I spotted him up on a shelf just lying
there quietly watching me and not reacting at all to my calls. Little turd!!
But I was very happy to have him safe!
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Our cats

Has anyone else had a day when you swore you were going to kill oe of them?
The last couple of weeks, Annie my 6lb, positive baby has developed an urge
to attack and kill all coons that come on our deck.  She normally will not
go outside because things, sonds frighten her, but lately she tries to get
out every time I open the door.  She got out this am and refused to come
when called.  She was out for at least 1 hour.  I called and called, came in
and called, maybe she came in on her own, went to the garage and got on my
hands and knees to make sure she was not under my van.  Finally came in and
said a prayer for her safety because I could not roam the woods looking for
her (recently broke an arm).  Came into my parents room to do some work,
just happened to glance at the flower shelves and there she was .  I called
her and she never answered!  Of course I did not kill her, I was too
glad to find her safe and sound!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

[Ardy Robertson]

Totally agree!!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

 

I hate felv with all of my heart and soul. I wish it was it was something we 
could all stomp on and strangle and beat the living daylights out of. I did 
laundry tonight and washed the towel from Tucks carrier and vacuumed the porch 
rug that had one of his claw sheds on it. I still miss him so much. I love 
Josie but it's still hard to get over how unfair it is to lose our babies to 
some stupid little micro organism virus that needs to be wiped from the face of 
the earth. I pray everyday that someone finds a way to kill this virus so no 
animal or human ever has to suffer from it again. I long for the day when our 
little group is defunct because it is no longer needed. Sorry for throwing this 
rant in, emotional day at the Dagner household, I just want so badly for 
everyone's babies to be able to survive and for their humans to not have to go 
through this. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:34 PM,  >  > wrote:

I guess you all have been lucky – or your kitty cats have been lucky – 
stomatitis can be horrible – yes bad breath but lesions in the mouth – 
infection – not to be taken lightly – especially with an FeLV kitty.  Speaking 
from experience – dealing with it now.

 

I do agree 2nd opinions are important.

Sandy W

 

From: Amani Oakley   

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:29 PM

To: Amy   ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

 

Hi Ashley

 

I echo what Amy has said. Stomatitis usually presents as some reddening of the 
gum, usually along the teeth line. It doesn’t usually cause too much of a 
problem for the cats, but you might notice bad breath, for example. Sometimes 
it might result in the need to extract a tooth, but not too often and not 
usually until it has a been around a while. Antibiotics and steroids will 
usually help – especially prednisone. I get it from my vets now in a 
transdermal cream, with is great because you just rub it on the inside of a 
cat’s ears and you don’t need to crank open their mouths. This is especially 
important if their gums are sore or they have an infected tooth or more. It 
hurts more to open the mouth, quite obviously. I have one cat who has 
stomatitis and an infected tooth. I find that when I give her the transdermal 
prednisone, the pain in her mouth/gums is reduced and she will be able to eat 
normally again.

 

However, as Amy has said, I don’t think it is too common to get stomatitis at a 
level when it is really problematic.

 

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: June-14-16 10:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

 

Hi Ashley,

 

I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had 
numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues. 
I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but 
they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so much 
stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience no two 
vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally differ. 
Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do antibiotics 
and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest full extraction. 
I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions on any cats since 
I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods and they seem to respond 
well. That said, if a cat is really painful and not responding to treatment, I 
have heard it is more humane to extract so they are not in pain. If we had a 
cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't be opposed to extractions. If I was 
going to do that, I think I'd want a 2nd opinion to make sure that it is really 
necessary as I've seen vets that jump to that too quickly.

 

As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress, watch 
their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure supplements 
and other things help too but I just love mine and do everything I can to keep 
them healthy. Nobody knows how long you will have. I've had some that live 
months and I have one that has been with me 12 years. Just enjoy Twigs for 
whatever time you have.  I hope you have many happy years together.

 

Just my 2 cents.

Amy

 


  _  


From: ashley egger  >
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   

Re: [Felvtalk] Brock the Miracle Kitty

[Ardy Robertson]

Wonderful to hear.do kitties benefit from Fish oil or some form of
Omega-3 oils? I love to hear a story like this!!
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Brock the Miracle Kitty

We just came back from FeLV+ Brock's cardiology appointment.  He was
diagnosed with restrictive cardiomyopathy and CHF 9 months ago, with an
average survival time being 2-6 months.  I was expecting that fluid would be
drawn off, because it's been 2.5 months since last time, and
1.5 months ago, an X-ray showed fluid was starting to build up.  Not only
did Brock have NO pleural effusion (what was there 1.5 months ago was GONE),
but, the dilated ventricle/atrium had returned to a normal size!!  And his
blood pressure is ideal at 128!  He still has a murmur, and thickened heart
walls, but close enough for me to call it a miracle!  His Lasix is being
reduced from 3x a day to 2x a day.  Checkup in 4 months unless he develops
respiratory issues (increased rate or effort).

Marsha

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Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Jane,

I found several places, including one in Florida that seemed a little "iffy"
and also checked several pet pharmacies that do not carry Winstrol. But then
I found Diamond Back Pet Pharmacy in Arizona. You need a vet's prescription
- actually I think the vet probably needs to make the purchase online
but here is the link. From their website, they seemed okay. Maybe take a
look and see what you think. I did have to search for it as Stanozolol and
not as Winstrol, but they do seem to have it in oral form.

 

http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_d
ate
<http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_
date_column_sort_dir=desc_paged_preload_reach=1_view_count=1
_post_id=2060=Stanozolol_filter_submit=Search>
_column_sort_dir=desc_paged_preload_reach=1_view_count=1_pos
t_id=2060=Stanozolol_filter_submit=Search

 

 

 

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson, Clerk

Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI

N14438 Valleybrook Ln

Osseo  WI  54758

715-533-0661

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 10:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Hi Ardy,

 

I would be interested to know where your vet gets the Winstrol in the US.
My vet in NY said it is not available in the US.

 

Thanks,

Jane

- Original Message - 

From: Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver
enzymes (biochemistry).

 

Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I
can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells
and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white
cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white
cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where
precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone
marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in
any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit
results).

 

When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see
a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of
activity in the bone marrow).

 

With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with
you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the
enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a
long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is
discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If
you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol,
then don't ask for the liver enzymes. 

 

After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to
see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you
wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall
wellbeing. 

 

Amani 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much
about his red or white blood cells.

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything
else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I
wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Thanks Amani,

 

I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time
ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options
failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They
also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really
needed it.

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Ardy

 

I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can,
beforehand, so you can c

Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Jane,

 

That is my problem right now!! I am desperately trying to get it. I checked
with the Chiron Compounding Pharmacy in Ontario and they do not ship to the
US. They did not say that it was illegal to ship to me, but maybe that is
the reason they do not do it. They suggest that I google compounding
pharmacies in the US.

 

I see that you can purchase it online for human use...but I think that might
be from some other country or who knows who is selling it - would it be
illegal, or would it be lower quality, or Heaven-forbid, not even the right
medicine. One of my vets told me it has not been manufactured in the US for
about 10 years due to the doping scandals in the sports world.

 

All I know is that my Tigger is not feeling well at all, and if there is a
medicine that could help him, I want it for him! I have learned more from
Amani Oakley in the past few months being in the FeLV group than I have
learned from the vets and that is too bad. Too bad for all the unfortunate
little furballs that have this through no fault of their own.

 

If you hear anything about where I can get Winstrol (Stanozolol) please let
me know.

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

N14438 Valleybrook Ln

Osseo  WI  54758

715-533-0661

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 10:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Hi Ardy,

 

I would be interested to know where your vet gets the Winstrol in the US.
My vet in NY said it is not available in the US.

 

Thanks,

Jane

- Original Message - 

From: Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver
enzymes (biochemistry).

 

Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I
can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells
and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white
cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white
cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where
precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone
marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in
any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit
results).

 

When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see
a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of
activity in the bone marrow).

 

With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with
you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the
enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a
long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is
discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If
you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol,
then don't ask for the liver enzymes. 

 

After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to
see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you
wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall
wellbeing. 

 

Amani 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much
about his red or white blood cells.

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything
else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I
wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Thanks Amani,

 

I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time
ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options
failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They
also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really
needed it.

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleuke

Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Jane,

I did get my vet to go on the Diamond Back Drugs website -
www.diamondbackdrugs.com <http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com>   -- and fill out
their prescription form - or he might have called it in to them. Anyway, he
got me a 25 day supply of the liquid winstrol. They also have chewables. He
did cut the doze in half - only 0.5 mg 2X day rather than 1 mg like I had
asked for, but Tigger is only about 9 pounds now so maybe that is why...not
sure.  Your NY vet may order you a higher dose. He said there is one refill
on this prescription.

 

This compounding pharmacy is in Arizona and when I called them, the lady
said they compound the drug right there in Arizona, and she told me they
have a very sterile facility. After the vet ordered it for me, they called
me for shipping instructions and payment. They are sending by regular mail
to my home, and said it would be manufactured and sent out within a couple
days. It was about $32 plus $8 shipping for the 25 day supply.

 

Hope this helps,

Ardy

 

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 10:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Hi Ardy,

 

I would be interested to know where your vet gets the Winstrol in the US.
My vet in NY said it is not available in the US.

 

Thanks,

Jane

- Original Message - 

From: Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver
enzymes (biochemistry).

 

Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I
can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells
and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white
cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white
cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where
precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone
marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in
any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit
results).

 

When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see
a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of
activity in the bone marrow).

 

With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with
you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the
enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a
long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is
discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If
you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol,
then don't ask for the liver enzymes. 

 

After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to
see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you
wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall
wellbeing. 

 

Amani 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much
about his red or white blood cells.

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything
else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I
wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Thanks Amani,

 

I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time
ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options
failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They
also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really
needed it.

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Ardy

 

I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can,
beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if

Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Jane,
I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. Their
website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your vet
go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them.
They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information
and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely
sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them on
Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive
tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I am
getting salmon flavor liquid.

Hope this helps!

Thank you,
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

Hi Ardy,

Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US.  My
computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and
your email got deleted before I made a copy.

Thanks, Jane
- Original Message -
From: <dlg...@windstream.net>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER


> Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals.  I first cought on to it when I 
> noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver 
> dollar size).  took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help.  Then 
> started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain 
> every day.  We ahve had on problems since then.  I aso had a bought and 
> started myself on cranberry and Bragg's.  now no momre problem.  only one 
> thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry 
> down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3.
>
>  Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions 
>> so
>> I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and
>> last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all 
>> of
>> that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day
>> antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of 
>> prayers
>> and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, 
>> playing
>> - nearly back to normal.
>>
>>
>>
>> He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied
>> with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections.
>> Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but

>> at
>> that time symptom free.
>>
>>
>>
>> Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating 
>> much.
>> It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad
>> that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture
>> etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe 
>> they
>> said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We 
>> switched
>> him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and
>> surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which 
>> encourages
>> him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is 
>> still
>> in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that 
>> does
>> take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I
>> have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and 
>> only
>> give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so 
>> much.
>> His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 
>> 10.7
>> lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are
>> suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as
>> needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping
>> down from something.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for
>> Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is 
>> the
>> Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet
>> chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep 
>> the
>> pain at bay for over 24 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of my 

Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

HI Jane,

You are welcome. I hope you can get the Winstrol ordered soon. It takes a
couple days for them to mix it up, and then they mail it from Arizona by
priority mail. It took from Saturday to Tuesday to get it to me in
Wisconsin. Maybe they would overnight it to you?

Tigger has only had the Winstrol for 2 days now so I don't have any concrete
results yet. He also had Prednisolone so his improvement could be from that.
He is definitely showing improvement though. He is also on antibiotics.

My vet has me giving him a half millileter 2 times per day. The liquid that
I have is 2 milligrams per millileter in strength, so that works out to a
half millileter being equal to 1 milligram if that makes sense to you. I'm
not good with metric equivalents but my vet explained this to me.

The cost was about $32.00 plus $8.00 shipping for a 25 day supply. And I
have one refill on the prescription. I did have a complete blood test done
last week with testing for red and white blood cell counts and platelets and
also liver enzymes. There were numerous things on the list that they tested
for, and I really don't know how much is actually necessary. Amani told me
what the test meant. She has successfully treated a cat with FeLV and knows
a lot about it. I don't really know how long he can be on the Winstrol but
I'm guessing he may need it the rest of his life. He is 5 now. I believe you
need to back off the Winstrol periodically when the liver enzymes rise.
Hopefully your vet will guide you on this a bit. I do not believe either of
the two vet offices that I work with has ever even tried to treat an FeLV
cat. They automatically put them down the minute they test positive. One of
my vets said we could use Winstrol as a "last resort". And the other one is
against it because it can "do damage to the liver". My response is what good
is a healthy liver in a dead cat???  My plan for Tigger is to use the
Winstrol until the liver enzymes rise to a dangerous level, then back off a
bit, and when the enzymes go down, to use it again. I love this cat so much
- he is family to my husband and me.

I really didn't try hard at all to find the Winstrol. I found a lab in
Ontario but they do not ship to the US. I do not know if it is actually
illegal or if they have other reasons for not shipping across the border,
but they were kind enough to respond to my email and suggest that I google
"compounding pharmacies in the US" which I did and the first one I came to
was  www.diamondbackdrugs.com  in Arizona, and they are excellent to work
with. I had all of 10 minutes invested in finding them - and my first vet
office just told me they aren't able to find it yet - after nearly two
weeks, and after I gave them the website! My other vet went online
immediately and ordered it for me, once he found out it is legal to use in
the US. It is only illegal to use in connection with sports.

Thank you Jane for helping the FeLV kitties! They are lucky to have someone
like you who cares for them. I hope this helps!
Ardy




-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

Hi Ardy,

Thank you so much for the info.  Keep us all informed about how things go
for your cat.  I would also be interested in the liquid.  How much do you
give and how often.  Also how much does it cost?  Did you have bloodwork
done on your cat first.  How long can you keep your cat on this?  Has your
vet used this drug before and  is he familiar with side effects, etc.  What
is the plan for your cat.

Thank you so much for finding this.  I have 7 cats with felv but there is
only one that I am concerned about at this time.  He is eating, but he has
an upper respiratory right now that I am treating with antibiotics and he
has lost alot of weight.  He just seems more quiet lately.  His last
hematicrit was 19.  I am going to get in touch with my vet asap.

Thanks again and good luck with Tigger!
Jane



- Original Message -
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER


> Hi Jane,
> I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. 
> Their
> website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your 
> vet
> go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them.
> They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information
> and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely
> sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them 
> on
> Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive
> tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I 
> am
> getting salmon fla

Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much
about his red or white blood cells.

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything
else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I
wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Thanks Amani,

 

I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time
ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options
failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They
also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really
needed it.

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Ardy

 

I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can,
beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is
working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the
Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and
in the blood results.

 

If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of
the cats which respond well to it.

 

Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed
for you and Tigger.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Hello everyone, 

I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so
I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and
last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of
that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day
antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers
and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing
- nearly back to normal. 

 

He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied
with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections.
Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed.

 

Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at
that time symptom free.

 

Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much.
It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad
that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture
etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they
said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched
him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and
surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages
him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still
in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does
take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I
have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only
give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much.
His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7
lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are
suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as
needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping
down from something.

 

Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for
Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the
Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet
chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the
pain at bay for over 24 hours.

 

One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some
Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and
he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with
his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He
hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary.

 

Any ideas are appreciated!!

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

Osseo, Wisconsin

 

Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Amani,

 

I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time
ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options
failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They
also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really
needed it.

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Ardy

 

I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can,
beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is
working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the
Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and
in the blood results.

 

If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of
the cats which respond well to it.

 

Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed
for you and Tigger.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Hello everyone, 

I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so
I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and
last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of
that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day
antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers
and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing
- nearly back to normal. 

 

He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied
with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections.
Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed.

 

Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at
that time symptom free.

 

Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much.
It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad
that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture
etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they
said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched
him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and
surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages
him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still
in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does
take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I
have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only
give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much.
His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7
lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are
suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as
needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping
down from something.

 

Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for
Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the
Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet
chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the
pain at bay for over 24 hours.

 

One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some
Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and
he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with
his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He
hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary.

 

Any ideas are appreciated!!

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

Osseo, Wisconsin

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you Amani - I will call the vet today.

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 12:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver
enzymes (biochemistry).

 

Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I
can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells
and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white
cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white
cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where
precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone
marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in
any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit
results).

 

When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see
a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of
activity in the bone marrow).

 

With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with
you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the
enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a
long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is
discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If
you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol,
then don't ask for the liver enzymes. 

 

After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to
see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you
wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall
wellbeing. 

 

Amani 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much
about his red or white blood cells.

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything
else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I
wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Thanks Amani,

 

I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time
ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options
failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They
also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really
needed it.

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Ardy

 

I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can,
beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is
working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the
Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and
in the blood results.

 

If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of
the cats which respond well to it.

 

Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed
for you and Tigger.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER

 

Hello everyone, 

I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so
I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and
last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of
that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day
antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers
and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing
- nearly back to normal. 

 

He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied
with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections.
Bowel/bladder

[Felvtalk] TIGGER

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello everyone, 

I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so
I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and
last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of
that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day
antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers
and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing
- nearly back to normal. 

 

He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied
with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections.
Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed.

 

Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at
that time symptom free.

 

Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much.
It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad
that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture
etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they
said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched
him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and
surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages
him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still
in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does
take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I
have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only
give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much.
His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7
lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are
suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as
needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping
down from something.

 

Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for
Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the
Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet
chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the
pain at bay for over 24 hours.

 

One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some
Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and
he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with
his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He
hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary.

 

Any ideas are appreciated!!

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

Osseo, Wisconsin

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Facebook support group

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Katherine  I will look into it.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 7:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Facebook support group

 

I think this has been mentioned before on the list, because I believe that is 
how I found out about it, but I'm a member of the "Owners of FeLV/FIV Cats" 
Facebook group and it's very active.

 

You have to have a Facebook account to join, and it's a closed group so you 
have to request to join the group. But I like the privacy of a closed group. My 
other Facebook friends can't see my cat conversations, and I know I'm with 
folks who understand what it's like to live with a FeLV kitty. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/26073442228/

 

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[Felvtalk] Part 1 of Tigger update

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Jane,

I haven't received any emails from the FeLV group either for a while. I am
happy to report that Tigger is doing better than expected. I started him on
Winstrol when it was "almost too late". I'm afraid my vets did some
bloodwork, at my request, but didn't really explain the results to me. By
the time they told me what the results meant, briefly, he was almost
literally flat-lining as far as cell numbers. Some values were so low, they
were not detectable by their equipment. It was at that point that I
contacted Amani Oakley whom I met through this FeLV chat group and asked her
if she thought now was a good time to start Tigger on Winstrol. She said
yes, as you may have expected :).

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Margo,
That's just what I call this email forum on FeLV...the one we are on. :)
Ardy

-Original Message-
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Margo
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 6:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol


What is the FeLV chatline?

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Apr 27, 2016 11:28 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>
>Thanks!! I hope so too. I wrote a longer note to the FeLV chatline, but 
>I guess it is too long. I didn't know there was a limit in size. The 
>moderator is checking it out. If it doesn't go through, I will send a 
>few shorter notes detailing Tigg's progress while on the Winstrol and 
>Prednisolone...like I said in that note, without the Winstrol, we 
>would have lost him in March.
>
>Thank you,
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:38 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>
>may be full time job, but they are worth it!  glad Tigger is responding 
>well.  hope he continues improving.
>
> Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
>> Hi Jane
>> 
>> I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can 
>> indicate
>that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I 
>don't want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy 
>to speak about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a 
>full-time job looking after one of our sick babies!).
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>Jane Gannon
>> Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol
>> 
>> Hi Ardy,
>> 
>> I have not been receiving emails since March.  How has the winstrol 
>> been
>working for your cat?
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks!! I hope so too. I wrote a longer note to the FeLV chatline, but I
guess it is too long. I didn't know there was a limit in size. The moderator
is checking it out. If it doesn't go through, I will send a few shorter
notes detailing Tigg's progress while on the Winstrol and
Prednisolone...like I said in that note, without the Winstrol, we would
have lost him in March.

Thank you,
Ardy

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dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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may be full time job, but they are worth it!  glad Tigger is responding
well.  hope he continues improving.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Hi Jane
> 
> I am going to leave all the details for Ardy to report, but I can indicate
that Tigger is definitely responding well to the Winstrol so far. I don't
want to put words in her mouth, so I will leave the rest for Ardy to speak
about when she has a moment. (As we all know, it is almost a full-time job
looking after one of our sick babies!).
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
> Sent: April-26-16 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] winstrol
> 
> Hi Ardy,
> 
> I have not been receiving emails since March.  How has the winstrol been
working for your cat?
> 
> Jane
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building

[Ardy Robertson]

Marsha,
I am so very sorry for your loss.
Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building

Brock left this earthly plane this afternoon.  This morning he didn't get
out of the lounge chair to greet me, refused his heart pills again, and his
third eyelids were showing.  He did eat all the food I brought him though -
he licked off the spoon as I held it up in front of him on the lounge chair.
We did half, then the other half later.  I visited with him a lot.  He spent
most of his time in his lounge chair on his fleece blanket, but once he got
down and took a short stroll through his domain.  Usually I am in the lounge
chair, with Brock on my lap.  Such a tired boy; his bone marrow was no
longer working as it should - low RBC, WBC, and platelets, and not making
new.  He had Feline Leukemia Virus, survived a year with Restrictive
Cardiomyopathy & CHF, and just recently developed lymphoma.  So not fair to
such a sweet and handsome boy.

He received a sedative first and we spent a half hour or 45 minutes
together.  His paw rested on my hand.  As he relaxed, he ever so lightly
made biscuits on my hand.  He even did his elevator butt routine, but laying
down instead of standing up.

He was only with me a year and a half, but he had so much love to give out
during that time, that there is now another permanent scar on my heart.
Along with too many others that are still somewhat fresh.

Dearest Brock, visit me soon in my dreams.  I left the patio lights on for
your spirit to find the way back to Fort Shappell.

Marsha

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Re: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH

[Ardy Robertson]

I agree – this is what got Tigger eating again. The A/D Urgent Care has a very 
very smooth texture so they can simply lick it up if their mouth is sore.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of swacht
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 7:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH

 

Science Diet a/d Urgent Care and Science Diet Recovery  and human baby food – 
chicken may help

 

From: Lance   

Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 7:15 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH

 

If you can, check her mouth and tongue for sores. Had this happen with a 
negative once. She didn’t eat, and she hid. She was given abx and either IV’d 
nutrients or just rehydrated. 

 

Try other food (Tiki Cat’s chicken and chicken formulas are great). I also 
discovered that Fancy Feast plain chicken formula, as bad as I thought it was, 
stimulated appetite.

 

Sometimes feeding in a different location worked for Ember. 

 

Agree with Amani that a CBC would be a good thing to have. 

 

I hope Kit feels better (and hungrier) soon.

 

Lance

 

 

On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, gidge...@aol.com   wrote:

 

Hi all,  haven't posted here in awhile because all was going well.  Kit 

decided she did not want to eat today.  So when I get home I intend

to try Baby Food (Gerber's Stage 2).  If she does not eat, I will be 

syringe feeding her and contacting the vet.  I did see that she did

not use the litter box a few times, but is now using it again.  Could

it be a possible she has a UTI?  Any advice is appreciated.

 

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[Felvtalk] Part 2 of Tigger Update

[Ardy Robertson]

But then - since there is such a stigma about Winstrol, I had to do my own
research to find a source for it in the US. I found a place in Canada, but
they were not allowed to sell to the US. My former vet's office said they
could get it, and told me they were trying to locate it, but several days
went by and when I would call they said, no they hadn't found any yet. I
started calling LOCAL outlets, and no one had any or knew where I could get
it. So, I did some internet research and found Diamondback Drugs in Arizona
- they are a compounding pharmacy, and they had it. I contacted a local vet
that I sometimes use and they called in a prescription that day. I still had
to get it shipped from Arizona to Wisconsin, and they first had to compound
the drug. I did not know if it would arrive in time, but they rushed it to
me, and I started it immediately. I believe that was March 15th.

 

Tigger's first blood test after about 2-3 weeks on Winstrol showed some
progress, but the pathologist's note was still rather grim, calling it
non-regenerative anemia. Amani has graciously helped and guided me on his
path to recovery (hopefully) and she has been interpreting the bloodwork and
offering me her expertise from when she treated her Zander. We just had more
results a few days ago and two out three of his cell lines are improving and
the third one is about the same, and it now appears that the anemia is
regenerative. I do not know what all the results really mean but I cannot
explain how grateful I am to have a person as knowledgeable as Amani on
Tigger's side. We are also giving Tigger Prednisolone as well as
Metoclopromide for digestion, and he has not needed a pain medication that
he was taking (Buprenorphine) for over a month. I was syringe feeding him,
and he has now started to eat on his own - he has been doing that for about
5 days now. He is eating over a can per day of the Hills Prescription A/D
Urgent Care diet. Even his grooming has returned - before I was wiping him
down with washcloths. While my current vet office has not really offered
much in the way of suggestions, they have cooperated with my requests.

 

Tigger still has a ways to go - he needs to put some weight back on - I do
know this is going to be a long haul, but he is so worth it. He is feeling
so much better, and he is playful and happy. He loves to have us take him
outside for walks and to bite the bushes. And - I sort of take every day as
it comes. One thing I do know for sure, is that without the Winstrol, we
would have lost him for sure in March. I'm sorry I have not updated you
sooner.

 

More later, and thanks for asking!

Ardy

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] tigger

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you Jane,

I hope Tigger and all animals do come to heaven..I really believe they will.
I have read that the lion will lie down with the lamb, so I'm a believer
too!!

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Jane Gannon
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 11:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] tigger
Importance: High

 

Hi Ardy.

 

I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger has
gone to cat heaven.  He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of personality
and mischevious.  I love those kind, they always keep you smiling.  You did
your best to help him.  I had 12 cats diagnosed positive about a year and a
half ago and since that time I have lost 7.  Two just died in April, one had
FIP and the other just layed down and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw
signs something was off for about a week.  I have 2 more that started
problems last week.  One is 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and
now is not eating well.  She also has a heart condition.  I am waiting to
see what happens.  The other one is not eating much and is not herself.  I
just had her to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad.
We talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am
waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan.  My 13 year old
positive has a heart murmur and we are thinking of not putting him on
Winstrol because it says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions.
His blood work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though
his appetite is good.  And my other positive also has FIV and is starting to
have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time.  If winstrol increases
appetites, that would not be good for him.  I did not do blood work on him
yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at this time.  

 

I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I loose a
cat and it makes me feel a little bit better.  Makes me smile and cry. I do
belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they do.  I need to
believe this.  

 

Jane

 


 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

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first experience with FeLV and I have
been reading vocaciously   I am not one who is going to employ heroic
measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to
them...   I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have
had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known.
Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing
him pain..Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline
on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw
pads have no
 t gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But
have NO idea what might have caused the blood in his eye.  also there is
some clear discharge which I wipe away several times during the day...
Any thoughts welcome...
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY
> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
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>> GOOD VET!
>> 
>>  Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and
I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need
shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv
vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it
came back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long
normal life there was just no telling. She never even said the word
euthanize.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep
Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never
returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help 
>>>> people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. 
>>>> Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you 
>>>> are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets 
>>>> even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them 
>>>> in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a website 
>>>> that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that 
>>>> would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while I 
>>>> was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
>>>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, 
>>>> valuable time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking 
>>>> a dive. They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test 
>>>> results.  I basically had to learn everything from reading online.  
>>>> For instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We 
>>>> had brought a stray into our house, and she was running up be
 hi
>> nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  I also
learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other cats,
it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because their immune
system can usually defend them from it.  That is also how I found this group
online.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the
bone marrow back on to

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

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>> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg 
>> and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he 
>> didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if 
>> I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too.
>> We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he 
>> could live three months or a long normal life there was just no 
>> telling. She never even said the word euthanize.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:
>>
>> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or 
>> keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and 
>> never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
>>
>>
>>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help 
>>> people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV.
>>> Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you 
>>> are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets 
>>> even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them 
>>> in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a website 
>>> that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that 
>>> would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while I 
>>> was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
>>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable 
>>> time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking a dive.
>>> They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test results.  I 
>>> basically had to learn everything from reading online.  For instance 
>>> I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought a 
>>> stray into our house, and she was running up behi
>  nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  I also 
> learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other 
> cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because 
> their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is also how 
> I found this group online.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the 
>>> bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take 
>>> a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to 
>>> get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, 
>>> but they were not able to ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so 
>>> I had to find a source in the US.  Again, as a novice, I did not 
>>> have the information I needed to make any meaningful decisions. I 
>>> happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do the searching for 
>>> ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving cat 
>>> owner who just doesn?t happen to be able to find things online 
>>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical??both for 
>>> cat owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary 
>>> community! I hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat 
>>> parents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share 
>>> Tigger?s treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even 
>>> though we eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional 
>>> time with him ? and it was good quality time with him feeling very 
>>> good, and playful most of the time. I also feel he may hav

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Bob - if you are ever in a situation where you really need to administer 
something to your cat and don't want to lose all your skin, just use a heavy 
bath towel folded in half and wrap it around the cat while he/she is sitting on 
a chair. Put it around him like he is in the barber chair - then use an office 
clip or clothespin behind his head to hold it together. The towel is usually so 
heavy and hard to deal with they just sit still and it's much easier to give 
the dropper of stuff. However they do learn to avoid the chair etc. Just an 
idea to try.
Ardy



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CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Ardy et al:

Typical of vets...  I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no 
suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of vets 
around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT of 
people before I go)   My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point but 
this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values  One thing 
I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately suggest 
euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with supplements and 
meds that might extend lifespan.   This vet, while pleasant suggested I not 
treat any of his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until his 
time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( he's 
not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet.BTW...  I am 
retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as to the 
money I spend  I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... 
didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but 
volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these animals 
had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a needy 
animal...  Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not all that 
long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me These guys 
most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT to have a 
chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to keep them 
healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN food!!   I have 
NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my life) that turned 
their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each other for who got the 
dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give them 
( except when they think they are getting away with something : )   So now I 
"accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it upBUT... th
 ey will not eat it if I add ANY form of supplementso  I've got to grab 
them a couple to three times a day and administer everything via dropper and 
slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across their mouths and paws   They are easy to 
give eye drops to and I can get very small pills into them without losing all 
the skin on my hands and forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ 
them now that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds 
I would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they 
are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats makes things 
a bit more of a challenge but... like all of you... I adore them and will 
see to it that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this 
listserv... best info around!!

Bob


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Ardy Robertson]

Wow - I am blown away by all of this..so really no test is reliable. My
vet told me you test once and it may be unreliable so you test again 30 days
later to be sure! Apparently you cannot ever be "sure". My vet also told me
the vaccination for FeLV and FIP can be ineffective. So, basically any cat
can have FeLV at any stage of their life, and testing is never a sure
thing???

I am 65 and have never at any point in my life not had at least one cat, and
usually two or three. With the exception of a few cats who had accidents
when they were outside, all of my cats have always lived to be 19, 20, 21 -
right in there. FeLV was never an issue that I knew of -  do you all feel
that FeLV is on the rise?

Thanks,
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:51 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

Lorrie wrote" A positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the
virus all it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first
year."

Or it seems that they can test negative, or "convert" to negative and yet
still carry the virus in a dormant state, and while they will test negative
by most means, may still re-convert to positive.

Mako is 15. His mother was FeLV-. He was tested at 8 weeks when neutered,
and again at three months before he went into general population (he was not
adopted). Both times he was negative. He occasionally had bloodwork over the
years, and was negative in 2004 and in 2010 (when he blocked). In May of
2013, I noticed his pupils were unequal, and since anisocoria can be
associated with FeLV, he was tested again. This time he was positive. He's
still (knocking madly on wood) here, but we're on a downhill slide.

Gribble showed up in 2011 at about 8 months old. Negative. Re-test at 3
months. Negative. Blocked, crashed Feb 2013. Diagnosed FeLV+ 3/2/2013.

Both have also tested + by Elisa.

So I don't trust any test. Nor do I believe that they are safe after a
certain age. 

JME,

Margo



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>From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
>Sent: May 18, 2016 11:14 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV
>
>Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home plus 
>28 more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats who 
>have tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were 
>isolated in our isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well I 
>couldn't believe they had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
>8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any of 
>these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia, 
>cancer, or tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a 
>worse time with FelV than grown cats because the immune system of 
>kittens is not fully developed, and they usually die.  However, this 
>isn't always the case.  We have two grown cats who tested positive as 
>kittens and lived many years. One is about 9 now and seems fine, the 
>other one seemed fine and suddenly just died with no signs of illness 
>at all.  I do not know if these two cats converted back to negative or 
>not, as they are/were sanctuary cats  who were born of a feral mother, 
>and they were very skittish. Only one of them was tested again and she 
>was still positive when spayed at two years old.
>-
>
>FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as 
>possible about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A 
>positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the virus all 
>it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
>-
>
>I don't recall saying "most cats have converted after some time", as 
>sadly "most' don't.  I don't think anyone really knows why some cats 
>can live with the virus, others can convert, and some die. It's an 
>awful virus, and I'm sorry your Tigger was one of the cats who didn't 
>make it.
>
>Lorrie
>-
>
>On 05-17, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>>Hi Lorrie - if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "most
cats
>>you have taken in have converted after some time"? Does that mean they
>>no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>> 
>> 
>>Thank you,
>> 
>>Ardy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Lorrie,

I found Winstrol (Stanozolol) at a compounding pharmacy called Diamond Back
Drugs in Arizona. They offered it in other forms besides liquid, I can't
remember all of them so they might have it in pill form. I bought it in
liquid because that was easier for me to give to Tigger and he liked the
salmon flavor. I would let him smell the syringe before I gave it and he did
not try to avoid it. The company's website is
http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/   and their phone number is  866-578-4420.

I found them to be very good to work with, very efficient and also caring.
The company seems large, but they take time to talk with you individually
also. The vet had to fill out the prescription online, or fax it to them.
Then they would call me to verify the address, and for me to give them
payment by credit card. I paid $42 for a 25 day supply.

Hope this helps. If they do not have pill form, you might be able to find
other sources by googling "compounding pharmacy veterinarian".
Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 4:08 PM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Lorrie

The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was
able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet
could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to
Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used
and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me
to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in
your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol).
You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to
cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones -
you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give
a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.

Let us know when you find it. 

Amani

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Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent.
I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I
intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!





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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you Lorrie - for the clarification. With Tigger I really hoped he
would either become negative or just a carrier and not actively ill after
his interferon treatments, but that was not to be. I wish I had started him
on Winstrol earlier. But you know, if I had not kept him because of him
being positive (when he actually tested negative as a kitten), I would never
have known the greatest love from a cat I have ever had. I have had cats my
entire life and Tigger showed us so much love. Some people don't believe
animals can actually care for humans, other than because they receive their
care from their humans. We know that isn't true -- he loved us and we loved
him. I'm so grateful to have had him for the time we did.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home plus 28
more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats who have
tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were isolated in our
isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well I couldn't believe they
had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any of
these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia, cancer, or
tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a worse time with
FelV than grown cats because the immune system of kittens is not fully
developed, and they usually die.  However, this isn't always the case.  We
have two grown cats who tested positive as kittens and lived many years. One
is about 9 now and seems fine, the other one seemed fine and suddenly just
died with no signs of illness at all.  I do not know if these two cats
converted back to negative or not, as they are/were sanctuary cats  who were
born of a feral mother, and they were very skittish. Only one of them was
tested again and she was still positive when spayed at two years old. 
-

FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as possible
about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A positive cat can
either convert to negative, or carry the virus all it's life and show no
symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
-

I don't recall saying "most cats have converted after some time", as sadly
"most' don't.  I don't think anyone really knows why some cats can live with
the virus, others can convert, and some die. It's an awful virus, and I'm
sorry your Tigger was one of the cats who didn't make it.

Lorrie
-

On 05-17, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>Hi Lorrie - if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "most cats
>you have taken in have converted after some time"? Does that mean they
>no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
> 
> 
>Thank you,
> 
>Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Lorrie - I believe that is why I was keeping Tigger on an antibiotic - in
case he started getting something due to his immune system. I just wish I
would have used doxycycline rather than convenia. Amani can clarify a bit
perhaps.
Ardy



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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also
compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does?

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Kat – I did not realize that….but like you, I was curious :)

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

 

Ardy,

 

The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said "So far, 
most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  But like 
you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so successful.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> >
To: 'Amy' <awilkin...@yahoo.com <mailto:awilkin...@yahoo.com> >, 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

Hi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, what do you mean by “most cats you 
have taken in have converted after some time”? Does that mean they no longer 
have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com <mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> ; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

 

Lorrie,

 

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

 

Let me know!

Thanks Amy

 

  _  

From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


>
>Lorrie,
>
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

[Ardy Robertson]

Miriam -- my Tigger's blood was almost at zero - I called it
flatlining...and Winstrol brought his numbers up very soon. So if his
problem is basically the blood is really low, Winstrol does tend to, as
Amani says, "turn on the bone marrow again".I would use it again in a
heartbeat, along with the other ones she recommends.
Thanks,
Ardy



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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

Miriam,  typical response - but you have to weigh the options - is the vet
even willing to try - and is the vet willing to try the Winstrol - that can
not hurt in anyway shape or form - I'm sorry Sandy W -Original
Message-
From: Mims
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

Doctors are just saying to put him to sleep ..

Miriam Fenton

> On May 19, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Marsha  wrote:
>
> Miriam, sounds like your cat may be anemic, although some cats tend to 
> be a little more pale than others.  You are doing the best thing that 
> you can, by taking him to the vet to find out what is going on.
>
> Marsha
>
>> On 5/19/2016 1:49 PM, Miriam Fenton wrote:
>> HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are 
>> white!
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Marsha,
I'm so sorry about everything going on with you. That "counselor" was, in my
opinion, very harsh. Who wants common sense if it doesn't make your heart
break when you lose a pet or are sad about one that is ill. He needs
compassion -- you don't need more sense.

Something that really helped me when Tigger passed away is the poem someone
posted called "Lend Me A Kitten"... I go back and re-read it all the
time. It is so true!!

If you don't have a copy of it, let me know and I will send it to you.

Ardy


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Marsha
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it, to
tell him how I felt.  I did write a review in HealthGrades on him.  The one
other person gave him 5 stars.  I keep a journal for each of my cats (I use
Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or interactions with
other cats.  And when I am caring for a cat that is ill, the journaling is
daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to be feeling, physical
activity, etc.  Noelle has her final appointment late this afternoon, near
the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried time, not squeezed
between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now.

I named my Noelle because I got her in December.  She was eating food at the
colony I cared for.  A little friendlier than normal feral, but I don't
think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the vet
noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn cat,
since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms.  No one claimed
her.  She is probably related to several of my other cats, including FeLV+
Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time.  
Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice.  She was the first of the colony that
I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby over
white.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote:
> Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd 
> continue with this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping 
> a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have 
> a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.
> For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
> Sandy W
>
> -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
> To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
> Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you 
> said you have assisted with transfusions.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Marsha, I'm so sorry.
>>
>> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for 
>> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig 
>> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans.
>>
>> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are 
>> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told 
>> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again.
>> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(
>>
>> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
>> ...man...hold?
>>
>> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any 
>> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much 
>> better place...
>>
>> Back after rounds
>>
>> Margo
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Marsha 
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on 
>>> my plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he 
>>> informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and 
>>> animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks 
>>> common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, 
>>> etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take
in, he said, "Good for you!"
>>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
>>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling 
>>> more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I 
>>> don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common 
>>> sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would 
>>> you treat it?
>>> Plus
>>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
>>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to 
>>> care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked 
>>> common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of 
>>> depression.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>

Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Lorrie -- I remember some of that -- my mom fed our cats from table food
as well.
Have a great day and keep up your great work!!
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 4:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

Hi Ardy,

I don't think FelV is on the rise, I just think vets and pet owners are
becoming more savy about this virus. I've gotcha beat on age, as I'm 83, and
I've had cats my entire life.  Back in the 1930's and 40's cats never saw
the inside of a vet's office, nor was pet food available.  Our cat got
people scraps and whatever she caught outside.  The  first cat food I recall
was stinky, fishy stuff 
called  "Puss In Boots Cat Food".  But I digress, I meant to say,
vets just didn't have the training and knowledge they have now and many cats
died without anyone knowing why. Now we test for FelV and yet the tests are
still inconclusive.
-

Lorrie 

On 05-19, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> Wow - I am blown away by all of this..so really no test is 
> reliable. My vet told me you test once and it may be unreliable so you 
> test again 30 days later to be sure! Apparently you cannot ever be 
> "sure". My vet also told me the vaccination for FeLV and FIP can be 
> ineffective. So, basically any cat can have FeLV at any stage of their 
> life, and testing is never a sure thing???
> 
> I am 65 and have never at any point in my life not had at least one 
> cat, and usually two or three. With the exception of a few cats who 
> had accidents when they were outside, all of my cats have always lived 
> to be 19, 20, 21 - right in there. FeLV was never an issue that I knew 
> of -  do you all feel that FeLV is on the rise?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ardy
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Ardy Robertson]

So very sorry about Tiffany….you were a good pet parent!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 12:12 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

 

Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she 
had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany 
could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk.  I 
saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things 
which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done 
better. 

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[Felvtalk] Thank you!

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you to everyone for the kind words about my Tigger!  Amani - you are
so correct that "if love could have saved him, he would have lived forever".
. . and to everyone who has sent their sympathies, I do feel better when you
say that I did everything possible for him.

 

Ardy

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Roxanne,

I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger - however I do think
if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put
him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may
interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try
Winstrol and are unable to find it - I do have a source for it in Arizona -
a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was
salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also.

 

I hope Tiffany is doing better!

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Roxanne Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
To: Felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

 


In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets
and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this
hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed
with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile
with feline leukemia... Thanks

 

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