[Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi from Brazil, I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or neurological. Already had a seizure. She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone. However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving? Thank you! Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani! Thanky you very much for you email! Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one. Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today. Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, for example? This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A> Thank you! Patrícia Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I > hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the > stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone > itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, > keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a > good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the > prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as > well, as per my previous email. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi from Brazil, > > > > I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. > > > She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which > raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. > > She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness > or neurological. Already had a seizure. > > She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + > > She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include > prednisolone. > > However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I > could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received > prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. > > The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. > > Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already > receiving? > > Thank you! > > > > Patrícia > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nori...
Thank you, Robert! Till yesterday night, i was more hopeful. Nori started stanozolol on saturday and i noticed an improvement in her appetite. But last night she didn´t eat, despite looking for food. She went till plate, stir in the food, but with her mouth closed all time. She didn´t open her mouth to seize the grains of cat food. I think her neurological issues are worsening :( Today, i syringed food twice in the morning, gave her some subqs with B12 too. I am really worried because i´ll be at home only at night. Does someone have any option for neurological issues or just prednisolone ? Thank you! Patrícia Em seg, 3 de jun de 2019 às 14:00, ROBERT CHAPEL escreveu: > Patricia... > I don't have any better advice than is being offered by Amani... Just > wanted to wish you the best with this adorable kitten and cheer you on as > one of the special people with especially big hearts Good Luck to both > of you!!! > > Bob from NY > > On June 3, 2019 at 12:44 PM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > > > > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Amani Oakley) > >2. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Kristy) > >3. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Amani Oakley) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 17:43:35 + > > From: Amani Oakley > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > Message-ID: > >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Patricia ? I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except > for the metoclopramide which was given ? or so before meals. The rest I > gave with the meals. I didn?t observe a problem with giving them together. > > > > You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind > (beef or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a > syringe. If my Zander wasn?t eating (and he wasn?t at the start of the > medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into > him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target > ? say ? five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number > of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby > food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything > he wanted until he put the weight back on. > > > > I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing > my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of > Patricia Oliveira > > Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani! > > > > Thanky you very much for you email! > > > > Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating > baby dry food. I tried canned but she didn?t accept so weel. > > > > Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes > some one. > > > > Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today. > > > > Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far > to doxy, for example? > > > > This is Nori: > https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html< > https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Patr?cia > > > > Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 ?s 20:52, Amani Oakley < > aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: > > Sorry Patricia ? after going on and on in my last email, I realized I > hadn?t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the > stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but p
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :( She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her. I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now. Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with stanozolol? Thank you, Patrícia Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except > for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I > gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together. > > > > You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef > or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a > syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the > medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into > him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target > – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number > of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby > food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything > he wanted until he put the weight back on. > > > > I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing > my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani! > > > > Thanky you very much for you email! > > > > Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby > dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. > > > > Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some > one. > > > > Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today. > > > > Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to > doxy, for example? > > > > This is Nori: > https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html > <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A> > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Patrícia > > > > Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I > hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the > stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone > itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, > keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a > good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the > prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as > well, as per my previous email. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi from Brazil, > > > > I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten. > > > She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which > raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count. > > She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness > or neurological. Already had a seizure. > > She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv + > > She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include > prednisolone. > > However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I > could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received > prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it. > > The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol. > > Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already > receiving? > > Thank you! > > > > Patrícia > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Lorraine
Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.
Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
:(
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:
> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin. Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley
> escreveu:
>
> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani!
Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
again.
But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
destroyed, isn't it?
About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
i am worried again.
Thank you,
Patrícia
Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley
escreveu:
> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> my earlier where I explain why.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Lorraine
>
>
>
> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> not mycoplasma.
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
>
>
>
> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
>
>
>
> :(
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
> johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:
>
> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin. Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <ht
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Amani
Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would
prevent hemolysis.
I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on
last one.
I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it
will be possible.
Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
heart.
Thank you!
Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley
escreveu:
> Hi Patricia
>
>
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
>
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> close to two years.
>
>
>
> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
> transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion –
> and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that
> the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only
> boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted
> in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing.
>
>
>
> However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood
> work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
>
>
>
> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> again.
>
>
>
> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> destroyed, isn't it?
>
>
>
> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
>
>
>
> i am worried again.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley
> escreveu:
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> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> my earlier where I explain why.
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> Amani
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> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
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> Hi, Lorraine
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> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> not mycoplasma.
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> Nori is receiving 1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
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> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globul
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi, Lorraine Yes, she was and test was negative. But she is receiving doxy for it, anyway. I´d like the contacts about RetroMad, please! Thank you! Patrícia Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:28, Lorraine Johnston < johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu: > Patricia, > > > > Has Nori been tested for mycoplasma? That can cause a sometimes fatal > anemia and is treated (usually) with doxycycline. > > > > > http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/help-clients-stay-optimistic-when-felv-results-are-positive > > > > Also, some members of the FIV-Healthscience discussion group are having > very good luck with the broad antiviral RetroMad1 (RM1), from Malaysia, for > their FeLV cats. If you want a few contacts to discuss this drug with, let > me know and I’ll pass them along. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > - Lorraine > > > > "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the > things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > Hi, Amani! > > > > Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. > > > > Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit > went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself > again. > > > > But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being > destroyed, isn't it? > > > > About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and > heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. > In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work. > > > > i am worried again. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Patrícia > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may be why she does not eat. Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can be from leukemia. The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. thank you! Patrícia Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds. > > > > Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani > > > > Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital. > > > > I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone > would prevent hemolysis. > > > > I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared > right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma > on last one. > > > > I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it > will be possible. > > > > Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged > heart. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Hi Patricia > > > > The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though > I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would > cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it > is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back > to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage > to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower > heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, > rather than anything else going on. > > > > It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a > higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another > explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as > an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a > reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or > the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct > bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab > results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. > The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the > total amount. > > > > I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue > the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there > was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, > period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized > on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for > close to two years. > > > > I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood > transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – > and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that > the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only > boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted > in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing. > > > > However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood > work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani! > > > > Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. > > > > Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit > went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself > again. > > > > But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being > destroyed, isn't it? > > > > About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and > heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. > In the morning, it was done only hematocrit,
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Thank you, Sandra :) I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every day. She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low. Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know? Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets for the first time (92.000). Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok. Thank you! Patrícia Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter < swacht1...@comcast.net> escreveu: > Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a > copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help. > > Good luck - don't give up!! > > Sandt W > > > On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira > wrote: > > Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They > started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they > think that may be why she does not eat. > > Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says > it can be from leukemia. > > The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( > > i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. > > thank you! > > Patrícia > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu: > > Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds. > > > > Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hi, Amani > > > > Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital. > > > > I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone > would prevent hemolysis. > > > > I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared > right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma > on last one. > > > > I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it > will be possible. > > > > Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged > heart. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Hi Patricia > > > > The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though > I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would > cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it > is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back > to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage > to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower > heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, > rather than anything else going on. > > > > It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a > higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another > explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as > an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a > reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or > the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct > bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab > results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. > The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the > total amount. > > > > I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue > the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there > was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, > period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized > on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for > close to two years. > > > > I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood > transfusions, and the virus is
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Patricia > > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good > news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news > on the rosy gingiva. > > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a > bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as > a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack > of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is > consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now > other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). > > > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely > why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the > transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. > > > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on > the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that > with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the > platelets recovered. > > > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. > > > > I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is > working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to > recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and > medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis > could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a > difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the > stuff happening. > > > > I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with > you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might > consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most > strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit > and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM > *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter ; > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Thank you, Sandra :) > > > > I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there > every day. > > > > She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a > low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is > lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. > > > > Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some > hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a > possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was > really low. > > > > Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think > red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to > know? > > > > Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low > platelets for the first time (92.000). > > > > Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Patrícia > > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter < > swacht1...@comcast.net> escreveu: > > Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a > copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help. > > Good luck - don't give up!! > > Sandt W > > > > On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira > wrote: > > Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They > started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they > think that may be why she does not eat. > > > > Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says > it can be from leukemia. > > > > The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :( > > > > i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again. > > > > thank you! > > > > Patrícia > > > > > > > > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakle
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Hi! I have experience with subqs. Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was there. She is more active and attentive to what happens. Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even malnutrition. Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has nothing more. Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :) Thank you! Patrícia Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley escreveu: > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous > fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it > makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV > fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much > to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. > > > > I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats > whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some > extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > > > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. > > > > I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives > external heating too. > > > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart > rate several times a day. > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with > fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. > > > > > > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Patricia > > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good > news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news > on the rosy gingiva. > > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a > bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as > a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack > of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is > consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now > other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). > > > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely > why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the > transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. > > > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on > the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that > with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the > platelets recovered. > > > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. > > > > I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is > working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to > recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and > medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis > could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a > difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the > stuff happening. > > > > I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with > you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might > consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most > strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit > and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM > *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter ; > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Thank you, Sandra :) > > > > I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there > every day. > > > > She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a > low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is > lower because of malnutrition, she has
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away. As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says it is fip. I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, with sun bath and love. I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori. Thank you very much. Patrícia Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley escreveu: > We’re all pulling for Nori. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of *Ardy > Robertson > *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her > in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone > combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking > such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. > > Ardy > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Amani > Oakley > *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous > fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it > makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV > fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much > to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. > > > > I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats > whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some > extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > > > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. > > > > I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives > external heating too. > > > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart > rate several times a day. > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with > fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. > > > > > > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Patricia > > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good > news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news > on the rosy gingiva. > > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a > bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as > a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack > of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is > consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now > other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). > > > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely > why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the > transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. > > > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on > the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that > with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the > platelets recovered. > > > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. > > > > I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is > working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to > recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and > medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis > could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 26
Thank you, Bob. Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 12:31, ROBERT CHAPEL escreveu: > I can't imagine anyone working harder to save a kittens life than you have > Patricia I'm sure we are ALL so sorry that it was not successful... > FeLV is such a terrible disease and your poor little girl has so many > complications... > Bob > > On June 11, 2019 at 10:56 AM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Pam Doore) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:55:23 -0400 > From: Pam Doore > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry! > > ~~@~@~@~@~@ > > *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick* > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira < > cinzaeamar...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there > after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. > > Vet medicated her so that seizure didn?t complete (diazepam and mannitol). > > I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. > > When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary > arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. > > Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed > away. > > As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians > says it is fip. > > I don?t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn?t bring her > home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more > day at home, with sun bath and love. > > I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for > Nori. > > Thank you very much. > > > > > Patr?cia > > Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 ?s 00:22, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > >> We?re all pulling for Nori. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Ardy > >> Robertson > >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello all ? I?m following Nori?s progress and please know, I?m keeping > >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the > Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone > >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for > taking > >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. > >> > >> Ardy > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of > *Amani > >> Oakley > >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > >> > >> > >> > >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous > >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for > now, it > >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the > IV > >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn?t take > much > >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. > >> > >> > >> > >> I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats > >> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some > >> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > >> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hopefully, she will feel bet
[Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Hello! Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and this one tested positive for felv. I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. Do you have any suggestions? He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already much better. Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), everything else normal. We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? Thank you very much! Patrícia Santos/SP/Brazil ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Hi, Vet thinks his neck could be an allergy, it could explain eosinophilia. It is really better after 6 days: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PtCRepqe0VY/Xc7_27r0i2I/xVM/r4LH1nzSuZoqBqn0R6TvDy_XeJRS4-oyACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/ferrero_antes_depois.jpg Retromad isn´t available here. Interferon is available, it was used frequently in the past. Today isn´t so common brazilian vets prescribe it. I´ll search about, thank you! Patrícia Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 21:23, Lorraine Johnston < johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu: > Hi, > > > > Let’s hope he seroconverts to negative, eh? But just in case, you might > want to discuss oral dosing of human interferon alfa (*) with your vet(s). > Here’s a recent study showing some efficacy against feline leukemia virus: > > > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6783854/ > > > > An analysis of these findings can be seen here: > http://fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm > > > > The oral dosing must be given withOUT food. > > > > (*Human interferon alfa, if injected into a cat, will eventually cause a > serious allergic reaction. Oral dosing does not appear to have that risk.) > > > > Also, some rescue groups are using RetroMad1, an antiviral developed in > Malaysia, for FELV cats with some success. You can email me privately for > the email address of a rescuer who is willing to discuss this therapy with > others. > > > > The eosinophilia could indicate an allergic response. In some cases it can > indicate intestinal parasites, though I believe that finding is more common > for reptiles than mammals. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > - Lorraine > > > > "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the > things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . > > > Hello! > > > Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. > > Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens > and this one tested positive for felv. > > I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic > kittens. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is > increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury > but is already much better. > > > > Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), > everything else normal. > > > > We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > Patrícia > > Santos/SP/Brazil > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Hi, Amani! You know, i am using stanozolol with an elderly fiv cat rescued some weeks ago. She was inside a box, in the street, and couldn´t even support her own weight. Anemic, huge infeccion ( more than 40.000 leukocytes!). Now she is walking almost normal, no more anemia, progressing day by day :) I am very grateful for finding out stanozolol through this mailing list. About Ferrero (felv kitten), i was hoping there was something that could help him to eliminate virus. I didn´t think about felv treatment for now. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? :( This is Ferrero: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y_Q8LLhYoxk/Xc7_9WuIMeI/xVQ/9_B4ofolnSsC5E36Q41guTu-CoeRjbT3wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_20191115_130925.jpg Thank you! Patrícia Em sex., 15 de nov. de 2019 às 17:32, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV > kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all > again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he > had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive. > > > > This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we > can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates > and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a > catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done > which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood > transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically > initiated. Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we > can’t drag these tiny little angels back from the brink. > > > > In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, > the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up > dying at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six > more years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, > from a terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is > likely that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to > defeat the virus, much damage had been done to his body. > > > > If it were me, I would start your kitten on > Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not > wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a > problem. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* November 14, 2019 4:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil > > > > > Hello! > > > Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. > > Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens > and this one tested positive for felv. > > I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic > kittens. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is > increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury > but is already much better. > > > > Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), > everything else normal. > > > > We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > Patrícia > > Santos/SP/Brazil > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
