Re: [Finale] lyrics and spacing in 2008
On Dec 11, 2007, at 8:49 AM, dc wrote: Sorry, but I don't follow you. That's assuming that a whole region would require the same treatment - at least one full measure in ALL the parts. The problem is that you can have in the SAME measure and in the same part both a melisma and lyrics that need to avoid colliding, not to mention what's happening in other parts. And then that would mean selecting each measure with a melisma, changing the music spacing options, respacing that measure... I've certainly respaced individuals measures with lyric collisions on or off. For what it's worth, in your ge-ni-trix Ma-ri example, my procedure would be to keep avoid lyric collisions ticked, remove the Ma syllable (ie, delete it, in type-in-score mode), respace the measure, then restore the syllable without respacing. Of course if you've got hundreds of these to do, that's still tedious, but it's my first instinct for how to approach music like that. mdl P.S. Your pdf is an example of why I wish Finale would let you control the typeface of the hyphen character. I like the look of Jenson a lot, but I won't use it (or Goudy) for lyrics because I don't like the non-horizontal hyphen for music. I'd be perfectly happy to substitute a hyphen from a different font, but there's no way to edit the typestyle of the hyphen. And short of entering every single hyphen as an expression, there really isn't even any way to kludge it. There's no option to set the font for the hyphen character, and manipulating the hyphen in the Edit Lyrics window has no effect. No matter what you do, the hyphen will always mimic the typestyle of the preceding syllable (or more precisely, the first character of the preceding syllable). Or at least that's how it is in 2k4, and I don't suppose that's something they would have changed. (And if there's something I've overlooked, I will be delighted to have someone prove me wrong.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
For me it's about 85% desktop (because of my 30 display!) and 15% laptop. **Leigh On Wed, Dec 12, 2007, Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
100% Laptop. I couldn't live without it. My next machine will be a laptop again. For what it is worth, I don't even use a second monitor, although I am always tempted to get one. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
At 11:29 PM -0600 12/12/07, Henry E. Howey wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. I think you're conservative. I'd put it much closer to 100%, especially since this university requires students to have computers, a compatible suite of software, and any departmentally-required software. Around here the desktop seems to have gone the way of the Apple IIe and Commodore 64! I do all my work on an Apple MacBook Pro. We do have an eMac household computer in the kitchen, but I do no music work on it. John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
Henry E. Howey wrote: I cannot seem to find the setting, but WinFINALE 2008 (and 2008a) have taken upon itself the respomsibility to remove all dotted rhythms and replace them with their subordinate constituents. This occurs diring ALL Insets and MANY Pastes. I cannot see any rational reason for this as any kind of a default setting;-( Along with the assumption that we all use full keyboards, I find this an upsetting and annoying development. I think that we used to be able to change this behavior by changing a setting in the Quantize dialog -- on one of the pages is the option to Soften Syncopations. I seem to recall being sure that was set and getting proper copy/paste behavior where the rhythms remained the same. I don't know if this will change current behavior but it's worth a try. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. It's about 50/50 on both, but right now, since I'm on holiday with my family, it's 100 percent laptop. Hope this helps! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
At 01:31 AM 12/13/2007, Christopher Smith wrote: Yeah, when Finale pastes partial measures, it rebeams to the meter. Now that the Selection Tool selects partial measures as part of its normal operation, that means that if you are ever copying partial measures then the target gets rebeamed. I have always hated this behaviour... I don't believe this is true in Fin2008. I was just playing around, trying to reproduce what Chuck described, and I was unable to. I get the distinct impression that Simple was (newly) designed for laptop users, Well, they do explicitly include a second key mapping for Simple that's designed for laptop users, but I can't tell you what the differences are because I don't use Simple. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. I use my laptop more than my desktop for Finale purposes. I found that it just tended to hang on my desktop. And nothing destroys productivity like having your computer slow down to nothing for two minutes out of every ten. Adam ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
At 12:26 AM 12/13/2007, Henry E. Howey wrote: I cannot seem to find the setting, but WinFINALE 2008 (and 2008a) have taken upon itself the respomsibility to remove all dotted rhythms and replace them with their subordinate constituents. This occurs diring ALL Insets and MANY Pastes. I can't reproduce this behavior. Can you give a detailed set of steps? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
At 12:29 AM 12/13/2007, Henry E. Howey wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I use my desktop about 75% of the time -- but more like 95% for Finale. A lot of what I do is transcribing or editing from existing sources, and I need to have my copy holder on my desk with my big monitor, mouse, and full keyboard. If I'm going to be doing anything in Finale on my laptop more complicated than some layout tweaks, I make sure to bring with me a USB numpad and often a mouse. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. 100% desktop for me. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Thu, December 13, 2007 12:29 am, Henry E. Howey wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. My laptop is only for travel. I'm a touch-typist (alpha and numeric), and laptop keyboards don't have enough keys or vertical key travel, plus I like large screens and there's only one external video connection available. The home office is a wireless network run by an old Pentium 200 server. My desktop has an infrared keyboard, two 22-inch screens, trackball, mouse, and pen tablet, four discrete channels of audio (plus onboard 5.1 audio that I don't use except for testing), and 1TB worth of active drives. Three printers and three scanners are on a separate machine in an alcove. My wife runs a laptop with an external 22-inch screen and 750GB external storage, printer, and separate mouse. My email is all kept on my laptop, but I use VNC so that my laptop screen is on my desktop (actually, all the computers have VNC). Most of the time my laptop sits in another room, attached to a USB hub with 1TB worth of USB hard drives, audio interface, trackball, etc., plus a 22-inch screen when I actually have to use it directly. When I travel, the laptop comes along with audio interface, monitoring headphones (not earbuds), numerical keyboard, trackball, portable hard drive, flash card reader, a 10-pack each of CDs and DVDs, and sometimes the pen tablet, too. It's a pretty fat case for carry-on. I can use the laptop alone, but it slows me down a lot (and I so loathe the whole touchpad thing). Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Mostly desktop for the serious work. The laptop is for classroom and quick work. My desktop sounds much better, has more resources and is faster so I prefer to work on it. Richard Smith http://www.rgsmithmusic.com Chuck Israels wrote: I'm in the desktop camp. Chuck On Dec 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Henry E. Howey wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
at the moment 100% quasi-portable (really desktop): in spring 2005 a fully-loaded mac mini was a good solution (price vs. need vs. functionality) for me because i work at home **all** the time, and when i travel i usually have a place i can set up for as long as i am there; the whole computer + monitor (at the same time i bought a used 15 flat just for travelling) + cables easily fits in a backpack. next computer: laptop, but whenever working at home it will always be hooked up to an external monitor, large keyboard and multi-button/function mouse, i actually hate working on the laptop keyboards and monitors, and loathe trackpads. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
I work at home on a 15 Mac G4 laptop, with separate 17 screen, plus wireless mouse and wireless full size keyboard, connected (wireless) to my HP Laserjet 2300dn Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. 78.6% desktop use, the remaining 47.2% on laptop. Christmas tip: You can turn your Finale-laptop into a kind of Playstation by using pivot on the laptop while trying to press the right key on the computer. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
--- Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. Laptop - I no longer own a desktop, although I have access to them at work and school. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Thu, December 13, 2007 9:25 am, Martin Banner wrote: I work at home on a 15 Mac G4 laptop, with separate 17 screen, plus wireless mouse and wireless full size keyboard, connected (wireless) to my HP Laserjet 2300dn Good you clarified. When the question was asked, I though it suggested an 'unadorned' laptop -- in other words, what you'd be using in its pretty much native state sitting in a classroom or airport. If it has big stuff hanging off, it seems to me it's really a desktop in a laptop case. So the people who have answered 'laptop' -- do you use it without screens, external keyboards, etc.? Or docked to become a desktop-like computer? In which case, yeah, we have two laptops here at home. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
2 laptops, one with a 22' external monitor for music, no more desktop. Hans On Dec 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Henry E. Howey wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Desktop here. Use wife's laptop on tour buses .05 % of time. (Hate it.) Raymond Horton --- Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Desktop - Sequencer at 45 degrees to keyboard/monitor, use speedy entry (do mostly composing and arranging) 19 monitor sound through old stereo amp speakers (transfer arrangements in stereo to sequencer) use laptop for back-up (used once for Finale when desktop had power supply replaced) not as fast on laptop - position pad gets in the way (one touch and I'm typing somewhere weird) Maybe more detail than you need, but how we work impacts what we use. Jack - Original Message - From: Henry E. Howeymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edumailto:finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.phphttp://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edumailto:Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finalehttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
--- Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the people who have answered 'laptop' -- do you use it without screens, external keyboards, etc.? Or docked to become a desktop-like computer? In which case, yeah, we have two laptops here at home. :) I have a mouse, keyboard (which I actually don't use as much as I thought I would), external storage and monitor at home - I usually take the mouse with me to school or the library, because I hate the track-pad. If I listen to anything, which I don't do often, I use headphones, although I'm thinking of getting speakers. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Mine is a laptop with a USB number pad and a wireless mouse. At home I also use an Echo Audiofire 2 I/O interface, a Yamaha midi keyboard, and run it all through my home stereo system. Rick -Original Message- From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 13, 2007 10:19 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey So the people who have answered 'laptop' -- do you use it without screens, external keyboards, etc.? Or docked to become a desktop-like computer? In which case, yeah, we have two laptops here at home. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Rick Neal Teacher, Composer, Bassist, Guitarist [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~rickmidi ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Desktop for Finale 2006 and 2007, and Laptop for 2008 thanks to OS restrictions until my Pro Tools hardware is updated. I have a DVI switch so I can go back and forth between them using the studio 23 inch dispaly amd MIDI setup. The laptop networks over a wireless router. Work percentage depends on files that require 2008. Vince Leonard www.finalebook.com www.sibeliusbook.com ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On 12 Dec 2007 at 23:29, Henry E. Howey wrote: I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. I recently became a laptop an desktop person. I work in Finale on the desktop, because it has the MIDI setup and much better speakers. That said, a couple of weekends ago on two airplane flights, I input a piece on the laptop (using Speedy). The laptop speakers are not good enough for aural proofreading (not loud enough and not enough clarity to distinguish the voices). For my non-Finale other work, I use the laptop, mostly because it's a faster machine. If I were to switch to a laptop-only setup, I'd need a docking station at home and portable mouse for carrying with me. I don't know what I'd do about MIDI, though, or whether or not most docking stations have speaker connections. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Dec 13, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. 78.6% desktop use, the remaining 47.2% on laptop. Bwahh! You made me spit my tea! Actually, your proportions sound about right to me, though I use Finale as much as I can on the destop. The laptop, as someone else mentioned, gets more activity for things non-Finale. As Dennis B-K said, I also have a fat case of accessories when I travel out of town and have to take Finale work with me. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On 13 Dec 2007 at 14:11, dc wrote: Anyone who uses a computer professionally needs at least two machines, so why not one of each? They do? Up until September of 2007, I managed to run my computer consulting business entirely with one desktop computer and no laptop (since 1994). I contemplated getting a laptop at various points, but it doesn't make things as much easier as I had imagined. The laptop *is* a $deity-send when I go to the library and need to take notes for my research, but otherwise, it's not that big an advantage as I'd thought it would be. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
On 13 Dec 2007 at 1:31, Christopher Smith wrote: And I find the lack of a Clear key to be a major impediment in my Finale work on my laptop. Windows keyboards have never had a Clear key -- the Backspace key is what replaces it. Is it possible that that's the case also on Mac laptops? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
--- Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 13, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. 78.6% desktop use, the remaining 47.2% on laptop. Bwahh! You made me spit my tea! Actually, your proportions sound about right to me, Including the total of 125.8%? though I use Finale as much as I can on the destop. The laptop, as someone else mentioned, gets more activity for things non-Finale. As Dennis B-K said, I also have a fat case of accessories when I travel out of town and have to take Finale work with me. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
Hi David, No. The Mac laptop clear key must be invoked using the fn button in combination with the 6 key (it's part of the alternate numeric keypad on the right-side of the laptop keyboard). I use an Apple Bluetooth wireless keyboard with my laptop, which has the full numeric keypad. Unfortunately, Apple recently redesigned their wireless keyboard and it no longer has the numeric keypad, making it much less useful. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 12:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 13 Dec 2007 at 1:31, Christopher Smith wrote: And I find the lack of a Clear key to be a major impediment in my Finale work on my laptop. Windows keyboards have never had a Clear key -- the Backspace key is what replaces it. Is it possible that that's the case also on Mac laptops? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Thu, December 13, 2007 12:32 pm, David W. Fenton wrote: The laptop *is* a $deity-send when I go to the library and need to take notes for my research, but otherwise, it's not that big an advantage as I'd thought it would be. I agree with David about it not being as significant as some feel it is. My first laptop was a 1997 Windows 95B Compaq Armada P-100. It's still running here for emergency dialup for email if our cable goes down. That machine served best during a European tour when we did live interactive sessions with students back in the US (one memorable one with us, Eliane Radigue and Rhys Chatham in Paris and Laurie Spiegel in New York). And being offline is pretty much not an option (I've been online since 1981 at 110 baud), so now it's a Dell WinXP 1.5GHz Pentium from 2005. For text and audio editing, basic photo work, and the usual panoply of email clients and browsers, the laptop is adequate. I'd like a better built-in keyboard and never use the touch pad. At a residency in Portugal in April, we produced a half-hour documentary video on two laptops -- my wife did the storyboard and sequenced the takes, and I composed the score and edited the interviews and songs. With respect to the original question, among the most important applications is Finale, and that's where the absence of a good keyboard and large screen makes work difficult. My context might be a little different, though, because I actually compose into Finale, and need to be able to see a great deal of the score and flip around quickly. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 13 Dec 2007 at 1:31, Christopher Smith wrote: And I find the lack of a Clear key to be a major impediment in my Finale work on my laptop. Windows keyboards have never had a Clear key -- the Backspace key is what replaces it. Is it possible that that's the case also on Mac laptops? (Just for those who don't know) the Clear key on Mac is just above the 7 on the numeric keypad. Most of the numeric keypad functions are duplicated elsewhere on the laptop keyboard, but not the Clear key, as far as I can tell. Backspace on the Mac will delete an item in Finale most of the time, whereas Clear will just clear manual positioning. When measures are selected, Clear will empty them while Backspace cuts them. What is the equivalent function in Windows? Often one holds down the Fn (function) key to invoke an alternate key function, and I have tried this with Fn-backspace, but no go. Slightly TAN; I really dislike the new behaviour of the Clear key. For Staff Styles, Clear would just delete the style, now it cuts the measures. Right-click (or control-click on Mac) clears the ENTIRE style, not just the selected passage, which is huge drag. In the Selection Tool Clear clears EVERYTHING, whereas before it would leave the Measure Expressions intact. The number of times I need to clear the contents of measure except for the rehearsal letters versus the number of times I need to clear everything is like 100 to 1. I have to go to the menu now, which slows me down, more so on a laptop trackpad (which never even HAD the clear key.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:10 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: (Just for those who don't know) the Clear key on Mac is just above the 7 on the numeric keypad. Most of the numeric keypad functions are duplicated elsewhere on the laptop keyboard, but not the Clear key, as far as I can tell. As I said in my last post, it's fn-6. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] check your 2k8a install for proper version
Here is a tip for users of the FinMac 2k8a upgrade. Make sure the upgraded version of Finale is 2008a.r1 in the info window or alternately, 13.0a.r1 in the preview pane. The previous version of Finale was 2008.r2 in the info window and 13.0.r2 in the preview pane. The problem with the 2k8a updater is that it only seems to work properly if your Finale 2008 folder is directly in the Applications folder. I had mine a folder deeper (for music applications, naturally) so the updater made a new folder in the Applications folder with the updated files. I checked my Finale version and was fooled by the .r2 part thinking it was the second release, that is, Finale 2008a. I didn't check the Applications folder because I thought the update had done its work. That's why I continued to have problems with the program. The updated files were in the Applications folder but hadn't been properly integrated. A second minor problem is that the updater creates a folder called PreUpdate which contains duplicates of files that needed to be integrated into other folders. (They are, so no need to do it again.) So, in short, the new version is 2008a.r1 and the older version was 2008.r2 . If you are having problems with your Finale, you might be using the wrong version of the program by mistake. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Shift optimization?
Using TGTools Staff List Manager, is there any way to take the optimization settings (including distance between systems, etc). from, a RANGE of systems and copy it to a different range of systems? For instance, let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for systems 10-99 and shift them to systems 11-100? I understand I can take the optimization settings for ONE system and copy them to a range of systems, but that's not what I want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
At 01:10 PM 12/13/2007, Christopher Smith wrote: as far as I can tell. Backspace on the Mac will delete an item in Finale most of the time, whereas Clear will just clear manual positioning. I assume that by item you mean an expression or smartshape or some such? On Win, Delete deletes the item and Backspace clears positioning. When measures are selected, Clear will empty them while Backspace cuts them. What is the equivalent function in Windows? The other way around this time: Backspace empties them and Delete removes them. Slightly TAN; I really dislike the new behaviour of the Clear key. For Staff Styles, Clear would just delete the style, now it cuts the measures. This, of course, is one of the side-effects of shortcuts that work across different tools. The problem was particularly bad because the original 2008 docs still said you could select measures in the Staff tool and press Backspace to clear staff styles, which was incorrect. Right-click (or control-click on Mac) clears the ENTIRE style, not just the selected passage, which is huge drag. Not in FinWin2008a (don't know about 2008). If I select measures in the Selection or Staff tools and right-click and choose Clear Staff Styles, only the selected measures have their styles cleared. In the Selection Tool Clear clears EVERYTHING, whereas before it would leave the Measure Expressions intact. I hadn't noticed this new behavior. Technically, for expressions assigned to more than one staff, it looks like it actually accomplishes this by creating a new staff list which does not include the staves you selected and applying that staff list. That is, if you have a rehearsal number assigned to all staves, and you select the measure in the oboe staff and hit Clear, Finale creates a new staff list which includes all staves except oboe and assigns the expression to that list. Very strange. It's unfortunate that there's no way to set a default for this filter, so that you could set things to never clear measure expressions. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
On 13 Dec 2007 at 13:10, Christopher Smith wrote: When measures are selected, Clear will empty them while Backspace cuts them. What is the equivalent function in Windows? BACKSPACE empties selections, DELETE cuts the selection. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
On Dec 13, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:10 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: (Just for those who don't know) the Clear key on Mac is just above the 7 on the numeric keypad. Most of the numeric keypad functions are duplicated elsewhere on the laptop keyboard, but not the Clear key, as far as I can tell. As I said in my last post, it's fn-6. Ha! Great news! Our posts crossed in cyberspace, neither one seeing the other, like ships in the night... (Sorry, sleep deprivation...) christopher\ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] usb number pad with clear key?
are there usb number pads out there with a clear key? It seems they don't. Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
Darcy - I'm confused - when you say part of the alternate numeric keyboard do you mean when the the numlock is invoked? That would mean the letter o for the number 6, right? Doesn't the Fn-6 (in the top number row) work as well when the numlock is not on? On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: The Mac laptop clear key must be invoked using the fn button in combination with the 6 key (it's part of the alternate numeric keypad on the right-side of the laptop keyboard). John Blane Blane Music Preparation 1649 Huntington Ln. Highland Park, IL 60035 847 579-9900 847 579-9903 fax www.BlaneMusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] usb number pad with clear key?
I'm curious whether the numlock key on PC numeric keypads actually triggers a Clear when used with a Mac. (There is no numlock on Apple keyboards and Macs do not, to my knowledge, support the numlock function.) Ooops! Obviously this is not the case! Apple laptops do have a numlock key (it's shared with the F6 key). It triggers the alternate numeric keyboard that you would normally invoke by holding down the fn key. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:05 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: are there usb number pads out there with a clear key? It seems they don't. Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted rhythms GONE
John, Apple laptops have many dual-function keys. You trigger the alternate function by holding down the fn key. The keys on the right-hand side of the keyboard (6789 UIO[ JKL; M,./ ) form an alternate numeric keypad that can be invoked by holding down the fn key, or (as I just discovered), using the numlock key (which, on laptops, shares a key with F6). On an extended keyboard, the Clear key is part of the numeric keypad. On Apple laptops, the clear key is part of the alternate numeric keypad, which means it shares a key with the 6 key on the top number row. Like I said, it is invoked by pressing fn-6. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:38 PM, John Blane wrote: Darcy - I'm confused - when you say part of the alternate numeric keyboard do you mean when the the numlock is invoked? That would mean the letter o for the number 6, right? Doesn't the Fn-6 (in the top number row) work as well when the numlock is not on? On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: The Mac laptop clear key must be invoked using the fn button in combination with the 6 key (it's part of the alternate numeric keypad on the right-side of the laptop keyboard). John Blane Blane Music Preparation 1649 Huntington Ln. Highland Park, IL 60035 847 579-9900 847 579-9903 fax www.BlaneMusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Multi-tasking *grin* Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lora Crighton Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey --- Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 13, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. 78.6% desktop use, the remaining 47.2% on laptop. Bwahh! You made me spit my tea! Actually, your proportions sound about right to me, Including the total of 125.8%? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] usb number pad with clear key?
This one is still available: http://www.keyovation.com/pc-69-14-goldtouch-apple-compatible-numeric-keypad.aspx Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:05 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: are there usb number pads out there with a clear key? It seems they don't. Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] usb number pad with clear key?
Yeesh! Almost three times the price I paid for a generic PC one at Future Shop. Thirty dollars for a clear key? I had better use it a lot! Christopher On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: This one is still available: http://www.keyovation.com/pc-69-14-goldtouch-apple-compatible- numeric-keypad.aspx Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:05 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: are there usb number pads out there with a clear key? It seems they don't. Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Desktop. I'm a fossil who still works first/second drafts in hard copy and then transfers/edits to computer. Bruce Clausen - Original Message - From: Rick Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey Laptop for the last four years. Rick Neal Henry E. Howey wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Desktop. Dalvin Boone ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Shift optimization?
Not with Staff List Manager. Look at the Shift... menu option. I think it will do what you want. On Dec 13, 2007 12:37 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using TGTools Staff List Manager, is there any way to take the optimization settings (including distance between systems, etc). from, a RANGE of systems and copy it to a different range of systems? For instance, let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for systems 10-99 and shift them to systems 11-100? I understand I can take the optimization settings for ONE system and copy them to a range of systems, but that's not what I want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
95% desktop, then it must be 5% laptop Cortez ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
PC: 100% And if this posting appears with any additions to the subject line (as my last one did,) cool your heels: my ISP assures me it doesn't originate with them, nor have I had any similar situations with any other grouplist. Les Marsden Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] usb number pad with clear key?
There is this one: http://www.welovemacs.com/usb-kpad.html ... although it is listed as no longer available. I'm curious whether the numlock key on PC numeric keypads actually triggers a Clear when used with a Mac. (There is no numlock on Apple keyboards and Macs do not, to my knowledge, support the numlock function.) Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:05 PM, Mark McCarron wrote: are there usb number pads out there with a clear key? It seems they don't. Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] pizz/arco HP 2007 Win
Hi all, Finale 2007c WinXP. Trying to put together a demo of a new piece. One pizz double-stop appears at the end of each phrase, and HP is switching arco and pizz too early or too late -- sometimes it'll pizz the last two, or the last one and the first of the next. I've tried attaching to notes very carefully, and stretching items out for playback only, but it will still switch at the same place -- wrong a lot of the time. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a bug? Or is there some other way to get HP to do the pizz/arco switch correctly? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Laptop 90% of the time overall, but I use my desktop for most of my Finale stuff. -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Desktop On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey wrote: I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage. I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon which I do 60-70% of my work. If my observation of an observed group of undergraduate students is accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Desktop, almost always. (Now with my new-to-me 24 monitor, as soon as I clear enough desk space to install it :-) John Roberts ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] usb number pad with clear key?
On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: There is this one: http://www.welovemacs.com/usb-kpad.html ... although it is listed as no longer available. I'm curious whether the numlock key on PC numeric keypads actually triggers a Clear when used with a Mac. (There is no numlock on Apple keyboards and Macs do not, to my knowledge, support the numlock function.) Not on mine. In fact, every time I plug it in, I have to press Numlock once before the keypad will start working properly. Hey, for $18... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Shift optimization?
Hi Robert, I'm afraid I don't see it. TGTools - Modify - Shift has options for Notes, Glissandi, Accis, Widths, and Sixths -- nothing about layout. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:44 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Not with Staff List Manager. Look at the Shift... menu option. I think it will do what you want. On Dec 13, 2007 12:37 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using TGTools Staff List Manager, is there any way to take the optimization settings (including distance between systems, etc). from, a RANGE of systems and copy it to a different range of systems? For instance, let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for systems 10-99 and shift them to systems 11-100? I understand I can take the optimization settings for ONE system and copy them to a range of systems, but that's not what I want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
On Dec 13, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Jón Kristinn Cortez wrote: 95% desktop, then it must be 5% laptop Unless you're like Jari and me, whose computer use is up to 125.8% of what is possible... 8-) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Shift optimization?
It's TGTool Layout Shift System Optimisation. You need version 2.45, now available on his site. You would shift by 1. Christopher On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:16 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Robert, I'm afraid I don't see it. TGTools - Modify - Shift has options for Notes, Glissandi, Accis, Widths, and Sixths -- nothing about layout. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:44 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Not with Staff List Manager. Look at the Shift... menu option. I think it will do what you want. On Dec 13, 2007 12:37 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using TGTools Staff List Manager, is there any way to take the optimization settings (including distance between systems, etc). from, a RANGE of systems and copy it to a different range of systems? For instance, let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for systems 10-99 and shift them to systems 11-100? I understand I can take the optimization settings for ONE system and copy them to a range of systems, but that's not what I want. Cheers, - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pizz/arco HP 2007 Win
Although I haven't seen this with pizz and arco, I have heard it a lot of the time with dynamics. I don't know what the answer is. However, HP and GPO have long lost their attractions for me. They both require far too much tweaking to be useful for me. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Shift optimization?
On 14.12.2007 Thomas Schaller wrote: I don't think it's possible what you want . I think Darcy is asking to copy a range of systems' optimization and copy it to a different location - he's not asking to SHIFt optimization. I'm afraid you have to do it one-by-one - by the way your example below should have read: ...let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for systems 10-99 and copy them to systems 100-199 (otherwise it does look like you want to shift optimization) I think Darcy does indeed want to shift the optimization, and this works fine with TGTools. However, it does surprise me that copying doesn't seem to be able (as in the example you give). Is that true? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Shift optimization?
Darcy, I don't think it's possible what you want . I think Darcy is asking to copy a range of systems' optimization and copy it to a different location - he's not asking to SHIFt optimization. I'm afraid you have to do it one-by-one - by the way your example below should have read: ...let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for systems 10-99 and copy them to systems 100-199 (otherwise it does look like you want to shift optimization) Good luck, Thomas On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: It's TGTool Layout Shift System Optimisation. You need version 2.45, now available on his site. You would shift by 1. Christopher On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:16 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Robert, I'm afraid I don't see it. TGTools - Modify - Shift has options for Notes, Glissandi, Accis, Widths, and Sixths -- nothing about layout. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Dec 2007, at 1:44 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Not with Staff List Manager. Look at the Shift... menu option. I think it will do what you want. On Dec 13, 2007 12:37 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using TGTools Staff List Manager, is there any way to take the optimization settings (including distance between systems, etc). from, a RANGE of systems and copy it to a different range of systems? For instance, let's say I want to copy the current optimizations for systems 10-99 and shift them to systems 11-100? I understand I can take the optimization settings for ONE system and copy them to a range of systems, but that's not what I want. Cheers, - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
Christopher Smith wrote: Unless you're like Jari and me, whose computer use is up to 125.8% of what is possible... 8-) Well, actually, my computer's use is up to 142.12%, but I have to remove the standard 4.31% because it's set up in a human environment. Thus the 125.8%... I wouldn't consider buying a computer that can't be used at least 108% (without overclocking). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
