Re: [Finale] Finale 1.0
Could you post a screenshot of that? I'd love to see what it looks like. Thanks Kim On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne < raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote: > Finale 1.0 is running…… amazing! > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] O.T. Steinberg announces Dorico
Hi all: Dorico will be the name of the new music engraving software to be released this Fall; it was put together by David Spreadbury and a group of coders who had previously collaborated on Sibelius. Dorico was a three year effort. The press release is @ http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/steinberg-announces-dorico-availability-in-q4-2016/ Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] 18th Century horn notation and playback on Finale, 2012
Paul Bryan ( a J. Wanhal specialist and a former Duke University brass professor, thinks all the high horn references that H.C. Robbins Landon claimed for Haydn and Mozart, isn't true. Paul Bryan has written a monograph on that subject. Good luck, Kim On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Lawrence yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote: As Jiminy Cricket almost said, Always let your context be your guide Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jan 2015, at 10:41 pm, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: I would add to this that in the case of Mozart and Haydn, unless it says Bb basso it is Bb-alto. (In the 19th century the reverse is true.) I also think that Horn C-alto becomes more common as you move earlier in the 18th century. So London Haydn Horn in C is basso but Esterhazy Haydn Horn in C is (or at least may be) C alto. If it isn't clearly marked, an analysis of the voicing of the horns with the other instruments is probably necessary. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Kenneth Moore k...@mooremusic.org.uk wrote: On 28/01/2015 11:04:25 , Martin Banner wrote: I am currently preparing a modern performing edition of an 18th Century Italian sacred work for chorus, strings, oboes and two horns. All you horn specialists (and I know there are some of you out there who have been of great help to me in the past), please weigh in on this and help me figure this out. There is a good article at http://www.compositiontoday.com/articles/natural_horn.asp, from which I quote: * Horn in C alto—reads concert pitch (like a C trumpet)—very bright sound * Horn in B—not used * Horn in B-flat alto—concert pitch sounds down a whole step from the notated pitch * Horn in A—sounds down a minor third—bright but more centered * Horn in A-flat—rare * Horn in G-sounds down a perfect fourth * Horn in F-sharp—rare * Horn in F—notated just like the modern horn * Horn in E—sounds down a minor sixth * Horn in E-flat—sounds down a major sixth—full, rich tone color * Horn in D—sounds down a minor seventh * Horn in D-flat—rare * Horn in C basso—sounds down an octave from notated pitch—dark tone * Horn in B—rare * Horn in B-flat basso—sounds down a major ninth-- very dark, almost muffled sound * Horn in A basso-- rare I have never met Horn in C alto and would always assume that Horn in C meant basso unless there was some evidence to the contrary. Horns in Bb basso occur in Mozart, Brahms, and R Strauss. I have only ever met A and Ab basso in Italian music (Verdi Requiem). Again I would interpret Horn in A or Horn in Ab as alto in music of any other nationality. Ken Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT: Baroque Articulation
It's such a thorny issue because in many baroque parts, the markings are so inconsistent (sometimes they are clearly staccato markings, but in a set of doublet-parts, where there are two copies of violin 1, the same bar will have wedges / daggers. My editor has suggested to duplicate the markings as found in the sources and note the inconsistently and let the performers make their own decisions. Most musicians who are trained in early music or perform on historical instruments will make their own choices anyway. Thanks Kim Am 20.05.2014 um 18:02 schrieb Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com: For those who transcribe baroque manuscripts. Am I correct in assuming that the articulation mark that looks like a modern staccatissimo dagger should be transcribed as a modern staccato dot? It has been suggested to me that it should be interpreted as an articulated note and not necessarily as a staccato in the modern sense (or is this rubbish?) Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT Horn question
+ articulation marks above them That's a older variant for trill On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Peter Taylor pe...@euphonium.plus.comwrote: Advice please. I'm doing a rush job (as always!) to prepare wind parts from a composer's printed manuscript, which is in concert pitch throughout (and so reduced in size that I need a magnifying glass). The band due to play it has only one horn at present and I'm having to cue the other three horns onto other instruments where necessary. In one place where the horns are not covered, their notes have + articulation marks above them. What does this mean and what is the effect on the sound? The notes are close to middle C so I have a wide choice of instruments to cue them to. What would be the most suitable band instrument to imitate this sound? Thanks Peter ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT Horn question
I apologize, I should have asked what period the music in question was written. But for baroque / early classical music, + was definitely a mordent for trills. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:30 PM, taj1...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve never seen this marking refer to a trill but almost always to “stopped” which means the right hand completely closes the opening of the bell of the horn. Tim Johnson Sent from Surface Pro From: Kim Patrick Clow Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 5:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu + articulation marks above them That's a older variant for trill On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Peter Taylor pe...@euphonium.plus.com wrote: Advice please. I'm doing a rush job (as always!) to prepare wind parts from a composer's printed manuscript, which is in concert pitch throughout (and so reduced in size that I need a magnifying glass). The band due to play it has only one horn at present and I'm having to cue the other three horns onto other instruments where necessary. In one place where the horns are not covered, their notes have + articulation marks above them. What does this mean and what is the effect on the sound? The notes are close to middle C so I have a wide choice of instruments to cue them to. What would be the most suitable band instrument to imitate this sound? Thanks Peter ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.comwrote: There is absolutely no question that there is a body of potential customers who would like to use computer notation, but the products have such a steep learning curve that they give up. We all know people like that. If they thought Finale and Sibelius were difficult, Score would have them reaching for the Advil bottle ;) THAT is one difficult program to master. Wowsa. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] IMSLP down?
They mentioned on their Twitter the servers were being moved. It should be back up shortly. Thanks. Kim On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Giovanni Andreani i...@giovanniandreani.eu wrote: Working fine here in Italy Giovanni Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu Hi gang, Anyone know whether this is just a temporary outage? Or is the IMSLP Petrucci Music Library RIP? http://imslp.org/ Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Leopold Hoffmann Sinfonia thematic index
Good day: I have discovered there are apparently two thematic indices for Leopold Hoffmann's symphonies. One was done by a George Cook Kimball for his dissertation in the mid 1980s, and was included in the Garland series on the 18th century (general editor Barry S. Brook). But apparently Alan Badley, who works with Naxos and their publishing arm (Artaria) prepared another index, but I can't seem to locate this either as a published book or a dissertation (Badley DID prepare a index of the concerti for his Ph.D however). I'd be so grateful if anyone could help find that Badley index for the symphonies, or if they have any suggestions. Thanks! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: YeahrobustI don't know of anyone using WordPerfect and didn't know the company was still making it... Well despite who you know (and their software choices): WordPerfect is a mainstay in the legal profession, and is used by the Dept of Justice; WordPefect has a strong following in academia. Corel seems to have a very healthy relationship with their WordPerfect customers too. Thanks ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Youtube / music videos and revenue sharing question
Hi everyone: A friend suggested that I do Youtube videos (instructional type), and make some money that way. Since I already have about 115 videos of music editions uploaded already I assumed, why not at least monetize them and get started right away. But apparently if you have music, the Youtube automated system flags your video, and sends you a review notice, asking for details. I had to do that about ten times last night. Then today I get an E-mail from Youtube stating I've been removed from their revenue sharing plan: because I have so many videos posted that would would appear to have copyright issues. But they're not: the videos are my renderings of my music editions (of public domain music-- all of it from the 18th century). I even make my own art for the videos (usually an image of the source and I colorize it or do other things in Photoshop). So right now I have to manually appeal EACH video. And I've done that with two of them so far. But my question is: what happens in the future as I generate more video content? Anyone know of a better way to do this? I assume record labels must have some sort of automatic flag posting approval for any content they post. And you can't just call up a customer service agent at Youtube. Although considering the amount of money involved for Google from Youtube, I have NO idea why they don't. Does anyone know of a work-around or a better way? Thanks for ANY help or suggestions ;) Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: In fairness, I don't think Henry ever had any intention of closing down this list. I believe his frustration was directed at the Finale *program*! That's how I read it as well. ;) Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: As for Finale itself dying, I don't know and hope not. Nothing good enough has come along to replace it for my work. I wondered why you don't use Score? I know the gentleman who edited and typeset the Charles Ives 4th critical edition in Score, and what the program can do (and the edition itself) are absolutely amazing. It has a massive learning curve. And I think it would be helpful to have a mentor show you the ropes while learning it. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: music collection database? Mac, or cross-platform
On 26 Oct 2011 at 9:56, David H. Bailey wrote I'm just trying to point out potential pitfalls, and with the way most computer users never back up their data, it's a serious potential pitfall. Or not, since apparently you think all computer users are gods of the backup and would never have a chance to lose their data when the online database goes away. Even backups aren't enough. I had a friend who was burglarized-- all the computers in his home were stolen. He never bothered with remote backup and would not send DVD back ups to friends for safe keeping. I understand he lost YEARS of work. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Selling your CDs and Sales Tax
http://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/sales/pub750.pdf Hope this helps David. Thanks Kim On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:34 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: I know many on the list play in groups that have made CDs that they will sell at concerts/gigs. I'm wondering if anybody knows what the deal is in the US (New York State, specifically) with sales tax: That is, if you're selling your CDs after a concert/gig, are you responsible for paying sales tax? Or is this one of those things where the buyer is responsible for it? Anybody know? -- David W. Fenton http://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Selling your CDs and Sales Tax
Well, that's why God made tax accountants. But you're welcome anyway. Kim On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:14 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 27 Sep 2011 at 14:46, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: http://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/sales/pub750.pdf Hope this helps David. It doesn't help in the slightest. It's too much information and I don't know how to interpret any of it, nor what applies and what doesn't. -- David W. Fenton http://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Acorn system and old files
Good day all: A non tech savy friend of mine started using music engraving many years ago in the United Kingdom on the Acorn system, which eventually went out of business. He has *hundreds of files* now that he can't open. There was a PC software application that was an Acorn emulator, but the issue was it was such a major hassle to generate PDFs (actually I think EPS files-- and the margins had to be constantly changed, etc). Recently, he came across a Linux version of the Acorn program and the install was pretty harrowing for him. I would think the best option would be to find an old Acorn system, and somehow load the files and simply print them out. and scan them into either Finale or Sibelius. Would anyone have suggestions or advice? Thank you kindly Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Acorn system and old files
Thanks, but I think he has old Acorn files, not the Acorn version of Sibelius, which the Finn brothers wrote ;) Kim On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: Hello Kim, It looks like Sibelius would bring in Acorn files until version 6. So if your friend can get a copy of an old version of Sibelius this might work. From http://www.sibelius.com/download/documentation/pdfs/sibelius6-upgrading-en.p df Unless you need to use one of the small number of features that has been removed from Sibelius 6 (such as importing Finale, SCORE and Acorn Sibelius files)... I've never tried it so I'm not sure how well it imports. Good luck. Steve 9/2/11 2:46 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote: Good day all: A non tech savy friend of mine started using music engraving many years ago in the United Kingdom on the Acorn system, which eventually went out of business. He has *hundreds of files* now that he can't open. There was a PC software application that was an Acorn emulator, but the issue was it was such a major hassle to generate PDFs (actually I think EPS files-- and the margins had to be constantly changed, etc). Recently, he came across a Linux version of the Acorn program and the install was pretty harrowing for him. I would think the best option would be to find an old Acorn system, and somehow load the files and simply print them out. and scan them into either Finale or Sibelius. Would anyone have suggestions or advice? Thank you kindly Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question
Thanks for all the help everyone. I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but Peter Brown's thematic index has this symbol as tied notes with staccato markings above the notes. I'm working on a source from Florence, Italy, and there are only two others (one is in Vienna, and another in the Czech Republic). Maybe the other sources are more clear. But I showed the screen shot to Dr. Paul Bryan (editor of the Wanhal thematic index) and he said that the Florence source was in a Vienna copyist's handwriting). And on a side note: I can't tell you how frustrating the parts are-- the inconsistencies on everything- dynamic marks, articulations. I don't know how the musicians performed the music in really acceptable manner, but I know, performance standards were much much different back then. Thanks again! Kim On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:30 PM, John Howell john.how...@vt.edu wrote: At 11:25 AM -0400 9/1/11, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Good day kind Finale users! I have a question about an Ordonez symphony source. There is a squiggly line above two notes, almost like a tie, but it's not. It's used several times and my editor and publisher is stumped by it (and he's a violinist). Any guesses? A screen shot is viewable @ http://i.imgur.com/6YbcE.png Thanks very kindly Kim Kim: I've never seen this, but my first reaction was that it was probably an ornament sign, perhaps even an indication to add vibrato (which was still considered an ornament). But since in every case it appears over two repeated notes, that doesn't make much sense. My best guess (and it's only a guess, based on the context) is that it's some kind of articulation mark, as you said, almost like a tie, but perhaps indicating a portato bowing with both notes in the same bow. That would make very good sense in terms of the bowing that would result, but again, it's only a guess. When I have time I'll look for an article on Articulations in New Grove and see whether it turns up. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question
Here is the first page of my (very much a work in progress score): http://i.imgur.com/zuEQR.png Thanks Klaus! On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre yorkmaster...@yahoo.com wrote: I have tried establishing scores from old, that is pre-1900, band parts made available in scans by the US-LOC. Also there inconsistency is a problem. However comparative reading of parts often is helpful. Maybe not very scholarly, but just down to earth practical, I would like to know the articulations in the other parts for the two beats in question. My immediate suspicion is that the harmony changes between them, or that the same chord is redistributed in a way leaving only this part repeating the same note. I might guess that the moving parts have these two beats slurred. Klaus From: Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question Thanks for all the help everyone. I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but Peter Brown's thematic index has this symbol as tied notes with staccato markings above the notes. I'm working on a source from Florence, Italy, and there are only two others (one is in Vienna, and another in the Czech Republic). Maybe the other sources are more clear. But I showed the screen shot to Dr. Paul Bryan (editor of the Wanhal thematic index) and he said that the Florence source was in a Vienna copyist's handwriting). And on a side note: I can't tell you how frustrating the parts are-- the inconsistencies on everything- dynamic marks, articulations. I don't know how the musicians performed the music in really acceptable manner, but I know, performance standards were much much different back then. Thanks again! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. 18th century notation question
Good day kind Finale users! I have a question about an Ordonez symphony source. There is a squiggly line above two notes, almost like a tie, but it's not. It's used several times and my editor and publisher is stumped by it (and he's a violinist). Any guesses? A screen shot is viewable @ http://i.imgur.com/6YbcE.png Thanks very kindly Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control. Actually you were getting way out of control with the personal insults and puns on list participants last names. And then whined about childish behavior. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
Sorry, misfired communique ;) My apologies. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: Hello Kim, Wow! My first post on this list in many months and first post to this thread and you attack me for personal insults and puns on list participants last names...huh? I think you've got the wrong guy. Have a pint. Cheers, Steve 5/25/11 12:55 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control. Actually you were getting way out of control with the personal insults and puns on list participants last names. And then whined about childish behavior. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale e...@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: I think no one care about what you have to say. Consumer Reports.highest rated. They could have argued as you do but did not. They see the facts. Your arguments are old and tired. Yet you continue. Highest rated by Apple consumers, notoriously religious about their products. So highly rated they only are 10 percent of the United States market and only 5 worldwide (excluding Amazon, where Glenn Beck and Apple rank no 1 by REAL people). Most people pick cheaper computers that are just as good for the general market (i.e. not niche market users). I'll have three pints with all that money I've saved. *Wink wink* Thanks! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 24 May 2011 at 10:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: The Mac is slightly lighter, Slightly? It weighs only 2/3s what the Acer does, 4.5 lbs. vs. over 6. That's a HUGE difference. Yeah, 1.5 lbs. OOoo how WILL I lift that laptop!? The bundled software on Windows PCs is crapware -- free stuff that is intended as marketing to get people to buy the pay version. The bundled software on Macs is REAL SOFTWARE that is very well- designed, full-featured, and not installed as an enticement to buy the pro version. So what? I stated it's not anything I would use either on the PC or MAC, regardless of what type it is. But here's a free clue: I could still buy several software applications as good as what's on the Mac and still come out ahead. But it's a moot point: I don't buy the computer for the software it has, because I already own copies of what I need and upgrade them as they become obsolete. And I have a lot more software options than the limited Apple market (which as I stated going to get more narrow in the future with Lion's move to isolate viruses in software by limiting even further what apps they'll offer) You are not reading for content. Neither are you. I've not told you anything about what you should or should not value, or which computer you should or should not buy. Neither did I. Actually I stated my personal experiences with Apple: they've not been good. I offered another website as a suggested vehicle for finding good deals for any platform, I only mentioned a good deal I found as an example of that. You asked for a hardware comparison, I gave you one, and then did exactly what you told me not to do: nitpick on things that are not important and talk about software as adding value to computer when it's not a factor for my purchase in the first place. And if they're such great value: why are they only ten percent of the market share after nearly 25 years in business? Is the market that wrong? Apple products appeal to a small but very vocal and loyal fan base. Thanks ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:36 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 25 May 2011 at 14:06, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Anyone who is intellectually honest has to recognize the superiority of Apple's hardware and software. It just isn't an issue that's disputable. That's a No True Scotsman logical fallacy, if I have ever heard one. However, not that I'm not an Apple user at all -- I don't like Macs and feel very uncomfortable using them. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Windows user and think Windows 7 is pretty wonderful and promote it to all and sundry. Ditto that. But that doesn't stop me from being able to recognize the strengths of Apple's hardware and software. Of course, that's because it's not a religious issue for me -- it's a matter of evaluting information objectively. And of course, saying your objective is well, pretty subjective. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Sigh.where is the facts to support this? There is absolutely NO PROOF of this. Period. Apple simply took the great selling App Store they had for their iOS devices and brought it to the Mac. Yes, they are a little strict but one does not have to get their software through that. And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware and trojans, but not a virus. That's hysterical Eric. Really. Just on face value that's a ton of laughs. You want to argue semantics now over what Virus and Malware is? But here is a list: http://www.iantivirus.com/threats/index/query/V/ and for more recent vintage stuff: http://antivirus.downloadatoz.com/news/41,top-4-antivirus-software-for-mac-os-x-lion.html There is a lot of FUD going on here.. Yes, I agree. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:54 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: On 25 May 2011 at 13:22, Eric Dannewitz wrote: And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware and trojans, but not a virus. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the vernacular use of the term virus, but the fact is, when somebody talks about needing anti- virus software on a PC, they mean to protect against malware and Trojans and worms. So, what you really mean is: Macs CAN have viruses, but they are very rare. That's because they have such a small market share. Why bother writing viruses, maleware, etc that would only affect 10 percent of computers, and very few are enterprise systems at all. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: And yet, there are unix viruses too. The oldest trojans were unix based. Macs these days are not virus-free because of lower market share but because of inherent UNIX security. I wish I could disable some of it, but a mac 'virus' would need to be run despite the mac asking for your password thrice, calling you an idiot once then asking for your gran's password.. Mac antivirus creators are 'fishing'.. Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Jesus..you are giving a link to a site that is referring to OS 6? And the second link doesn't say ANYTHING relevant. So System 6 is your proof? That was what, 1990? 20 years ago? Really? Hey you're the one that said there hasn't been a Mac virus. Not me. Don't get mad. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: I think it's funny when old people get upset. You are like what, 60, and you are using childish references, Glenn beck pictures, and O'Reily references that maybe two other people get? And ass references? Really? I think it's funnier you're upset, for a guy who used personal insults based on a list participant's name, and whining about childish antics, well that's even funnier. Sales figures matter. Why would Apple be in the tops there if they didn't make good products? And 10% of the market is not a true figure. That is figuring in work machines. No, it's based on web analytics, not sales. Unlike determining market share by units sold, Qauntcast measures OS share by comparing the operating system of users via the company's audience measurement services, similar to statistics gathered by Net Applications. Such usage patterns can give us a rough idea of the installed base of an OS among end users. Those end users aren't imaginary people, or unreal people. Sounds like you're the one with vision issues. *Wink wink* area now for whatever reason. Of course you think apple has problems with it's phones but again, the sales numbers don't show that at all..but doesn't really matter for a myopic such as yourself. didn't they sell something like 18 million of those phones last quarter? So what, Nokia sold 107.6 million mobile devices in the first quarter of 2011. I never say NOT to get windows. Just don't get the $300 machine. Its clown-ish. Again, even D. Fenton agrees that it is stupid. That's nice, dear. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Sigh.that doesn't mean anything. That simply means How many things are on the net that are visiting sites that report the traffic to quantcast. It doesn't distinguish between say a computer used in a corporation and one that is being used in a home. It's flawed. So now the argument is: sales of units and website statistics isn't indicative of how much market share Apple has (the same figures that stock analysts use and Apple would use in its planning(, and your personal data from your websites trumps all of that? Come on dude, you're going to get higher Apple users on browsers because your websites are music related. That's like saying you manage graphic websites and Wow! 50 percent of my website visitors use Apples! It's an important market for you and your websites. It's funny that the web browsing statistics pretty much jells with units sold. http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-cracks-10-pc-market-share-for-first-time-in-decades/63273 Smartphones? Hano no. Apple has surpassed them handily.hence their need to partner with Microsoft. Nokia has been in decline for a while now. It's pretty much dead in the states, and in Europe apple Is killing them. http://internet2go.net/news/data-and-forecasts/idc-apple-passes-nokia-europe-q1-smartphone-sales So you brag about a specific sales figure, I show you a considerably bigger one for Nokia, you go find iPhone stats for Europe, and shout Victory! Nice cherry picking. iOs has 15 percent of units sold compared to 60 plus for the others (Symbian, Android, and Microsoft) 1Q11: http://www.techshout.com/general/2011/23/gartner-mobile-communication-device-sales-touch-428-million-in-1q11/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:15 AM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: Prove it! I am certain that if I compared your $300 PC laptop to the cheapest Mac laptop, your cheapo PC will come up way short on important features/components. Those may not matter to you (i.e., you may not need those features), but that's not the point -- the point is that if you configure a PC comparably to a Mac model it costs the same or more. Let's see: my CHEAP computer (you say that like it's an insult, but whatevah) Intel Pentium T4500 Dual Core processor 3GB DDR3 system memory 2.30GHz, 800MHz Front Side Bus, 1MB L2 Cache * 250GB SATA hard drive SuperMulti DVD burner Built in HD Webcam Software included: Windows 7, Cyberlink PowerDVD, NTI Media Maker, Microsoft Office Student Edition, and Back-Up manager software Built in multi-card reader * 10/100 Ethernet; 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi 15.6 diagonal HD CineCrystal LCD widescreen display Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M with up to 1695MB of Intel Dynamic Video Memory Technology 5.0 Cheapest Mac: 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 3MB on-chip shared L2 cache 1066MHz frontside bus 2GB (two 1GB SO-DIMMs AirPort Extreme 802.11n Wi-Fi wireless networking;2 IEEE 802.11a/b/g compatible 13.3-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen display with support for millions of colors 250GB 5400-rpm Serial ATA hard disk drive; optional 320GB or 500GB 5400-rpm drive4 8x slot-loading SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW) 300.00 versus 999.00 The Mac is slightly lighter, has a harder polycarbonate plastic case. Big deal. Not worth spending the 600 dollars I saved, because I'm not in the habit of throwing my property around. And I'm not swayed by any the bundled software included on the Mac, I don't use that on Windows either. After all, I don't buy computers for software, I buy them for, well computers! Fancy that! So here, have your slice of crow pie too. Or you going to nitpick this to death and tell me why the features I think are not important are really not important? Being the betting man that I am, I'm willing to predict yes. That does not mean that some people won't find the cheapo PC fine for their needs. It only means that the conventional wisdom about Macs being more expensive is WRONG. Not really, I've seen some of the articles about that, and most of the comparisons are crap. Ya know Apples and Oranges ? *Wink wink wink* I think it depends on a case by case situation. Thanks ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
I need to purchase a new desktop computer. I am running Finale 2010 Windows at the present and will likely upgrade to 2012 when it comes out. I engrave full orchestrations and want to be able to play any and all of the sounds. I also want something that I will not outgrow in a few years. Any suggestions would greatly appreciated. Deal News has wonderful daily listings for specials that they find via the Internet. Some are amazing. I got a top notch laptop via their website for 300.00. I highly suggest you get a RSS feed / alerts to their desktop specials . Good luck, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote: That's what I think too. I have a 27 iMac, and it is satisfying and trouble free. A little extra RAM can help. (Full disclosure - I've always used Macs and have little experience with Windows. Still, I am confident in giving this recommendation.) Chuck I have a HP Pavillion 19 inch laptop and it's fantastic. And a lot cheaper than a Mac, and it has a Blu Ray DVD reader burner. Fast as hell, with a huge hard drive tons of RAM. HP is great with driver updates and diagnostics and their customer service support is fantastic (I had an issue with a DVD that was quickly solved by remote assistance from HP). Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Though I don't see how a $300 laptop is going to be able to grow for a few years. Nor how it will handle playing back good quality sounds (NOT the Finale Software synth sounds, but more like the Garritan sounds) I'd still say some sort of Mac. iMac for desktop, or a laptop. Plus they can drive additional monitors with the addition of a simple plug, and the high end iMac can drive two additional monitors. Even my 2006 iMac can drive an additional monitor. And you also don't have to worry about viruses, windows registry problems, driver issues, or any of the other headaches you get with a PC. Plus, you get Time Machine, which is absolutely amazingly easy to use. I've saved my self several times by having it on. Like if I made a change to a score or a file and then wanted to go back to the old version. Boom, it's there. My point wasn't that he should buy a 300 dollar laptop, it was instead the nature of great deals on the website. They list many deals for a variety of computer products and types, not just laptops. But even so, for the price of a top end Apple iMac, you could have purchased several laptops over the course of a few years. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: There is a lot to consider here. Bigger screen doesn't mean better. You want a good, high resolution screen. Not just a bigger screen. It could be 19 but with a crappy display resolution. Blu Ray DVD? So now we are looking at entertainment machines? I don't think you'd have an actual BluRay burner, because those are still around $200. It's probably a BluRay reader and a DVD/CD Burner. But that really doesn't matter. I can't think of the last time I had to actually burn something. Everything is done with via the Net, like using DropBox to send PDFs to clients, or song mixes or whatever. Never ever had an issue with Apple stuff, and if I did, I'd simply take it to an Apple Store and have them look at it. Applecare is great (I hear). And 19 on a Laptop.I know we Americans are getting fat but that is like.huge. How practical is that? Like what 20lbs of laptop? Oh, also, I don't see HP ever making a 19 laptop..the biggest one of that line Google says they make is 17 Sorry -- typo-- it's 17 inch. You're getting bogged down in a lot of useless back-and-forth about this and that when the bottom line is : you can find products with more features at a cheaper price than most Apple products. You had a good experience: great! I highly recommend Deal News for any computer specials. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: But that's no a real good point. You then have several boat anchors (ie old hardware) around, plus you have all the migration problems of getting your old files and software to new machines. Yeah, that's incredibly hard work! Most Finale users seem to buy the software upgrades and new releases anyway. So if I spend $999 to get a MacBook, I could have gotten 2 1/2 $300 special windows computers? That is several? Are you expecting them to die every other year. I see that they only offer 1 year warranty on them. For like another $100 I can bump Applecare up to 3 years. Right, so Apple's limited warranty isn't any better than a standard PC, and like them-- you can buy an extended warranty. But that's swell of Apple to offer limited warranties on their products. And the point for many people is bang for their buck and dollars when it comes to laptops or computers: you get can buy faster motherboards at a cheaper price with a platform that's not nearly as restrictive as what will be with Apple's Lion OS that's being touted: it even more restrictive with less choices available. Yikes...no thanks. I don't want a machine crapping out on me ever two years or so. Do you think the same way with cars? Houses? Instruments?? That's nice. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
iBut you're not getting the same thing for $300 that you would if you pad $800 for a Mac -- if you configured a Windows PC with comparable specifications as the $800 Mac, it will cost about $800, too (and in many cases, it will cost MORE)./i Not in this case, really. I'm way ahead of you on this one. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Sent from my iSomething On May 23, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote: Right, so Apple's limited warranty isn't any better than a standard PC, and like them-- you can buy an extended warranty. But that's swell of Apple to offer limited warranties on their products. And the point for many people is bang for their buck and dollars when it comes to laptops or computers: you get can buy faster motherboards at a cheaper price with a platform that's not nearly as restrictive as what will be with Apple's Lion OS that's being touted: it even more restrictive with less choices available. Apple is consistently rated like #1 in its products and stores So your point about Apple's limited warranty and offering extended coverage isn't any better than PC has no bearing on anything? Ok, great. Moving on. And there are plenty of Consumer Reports Recommended Buys for PC etc, and cheaper. As for their products, do you want to throw in the Android format versus the iPhone and the numerous issues with its phones (Consumer Reports can fill you in on that). You do know that windows generally needs to be reinstalled if you switch hardware. So what? A lot of the software is pre-installed anyway, and that's not a factor in buying an Apple product? I've known Apple users that had to reinstall applications after a major Apple upgrade. If we limit this to just installing Finale, I mentioned earlier many on the list appear to install upgrades or fixes anyways. *Shrug* And what fantasy world did you pull this BS about lion being more restrictive? I think 10.7 (Lion) will work across all mac nade within the last 4 years You missed my point: Apple is going to a more restrictive model for what software it will offer to sell on its Apps store: that means even less software will be available in the future. I live in the fantasy world where I can buy a computer that's cheaper, runs more software and doesn't box me in. Thanks! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Whatever he is eating/smoking I want some. I haven't seen anything remotely close to what you'd get with a stock MacBook. Old link, but still pertinent: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6511774-10.html?tag=rb_content;rb_mtx And that Acer was significantly cheaper than the Apple product. Here, have some Crow Pie. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Sure it's not clown pie? That link is really old.they mention PowerBooks? But it's more recent than any of your links, Oh wait, you haven't provided anything other than your personal stories, and that great extended Apple warranty. Here, have a fork for your pie. Thanks, KIm ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Really? You can't use Google? Or check CNet? Check Amazon (3 of the top 5 are Apple Laptops, 5 of the top 10 are iMacs)? Or even check Consumer Reports? The evidence is out there.plain as day. They make excellent hardware. #1-3 in Desktops on Amazon are held by Apple products. That's right, and those same sources say the same about cheaper PCs: they're all excellent. Bill O'Reilly's books are high ranking on Amazon too, so that's not impressive by any measure -- never mind overall Apple is still around 10 percent for desktops and laptops. Z.Apple has and will remain a niche product for its fans. Point Game Match.. Sorry but Macs suck for games, you should get a PC!!! :-) I don't need a fork for the Clown Pie.it just makes a strange honking noise.. Really? That sounds like some more personal experiences! Thanks! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Actually, no. But Clow(n) land seems to be really holding you tight. Not so tight as things apparently over in Eric Dumbshitz land. Look, the fact is that a cheap laptop isn't going to hack it. Even David Fenton agrees. And just bashing Apple products just shows ignorance on your part. Cry moar! Here have a hanky. http://204.45.110.156/bin/052010/1272964790_glenn-beck-crying.gif ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Eric ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Man, you are a moron huh? I mean, you are using Glenn beck and Bill O'Reilly? What purpose does bringing these people into this discussion? Are you? I mean, it's one thing to have a debate about a platform and your personal preferences, but if you wanted to raise the ante by insulting someone, I can ramp it up too. You brought up sales figures on Amazon as some sort of justification of well if it sells on Amazon, that means I'm right. Did you miss the part where I pointed out Apple is about 10 percent of the market, and they have and remain a niche area in the market? Whatever. I think anyone that reads your posts will see them for what they are.ill-informed. Apple makes great products, and if one is looking for a new system they should spend money on it. Windows systems as well, lots of ram, etc. NOT the $300 special Mr. Clown is suggesting.I mean, he knows all about stuff. He's on that Internet thing with the tubes. And can readily link to images of Glenn beck I'm sorry Mr Dipshitz' butthurt is showing because someone doesn't worship at the altar of Steve Job or suggests an alternative you don't like. And your continued bringing up the 300 dollar laptop is pretty lulz- worthy too. I mentioned that as a purchase at Deal News.com as an example of a great deal I found there, and I specifically mentioned they list great specials on any platform or vendor. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New desktop computer suggestions?
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Oh, but you spent lots of money on a niche product. You could have bought 2 or more $300 laptops that could do all what you want. The iMac is really nice. The displays are nice. And it is nearly silent. A 27 iMac and a 30 external monitor would be amazing. Have you done that? How would you arrange the score with two huge displays? I my macpro is pretty quite, and I have yet to max out the processors on it. I've mixed two jazz band albums using ProTools with it, and I don't think I even got anywhere close to 1/2 of the processing power even with all the plugins I was using. And this is a 2008 model. Though think of all the $300 laptops I could have bought! For finale stuff, I have no clue how much power it uses. A big band score with the garritan sounds works fine. The only time thing I ever had the computer choke on was lots of VIs in digital performer. Basically ran out of memory. Increasing the Mac to 8 gigs solved that. But I'm using a niche product.should have gotten a $300 laptop. It could do all that and then some. I could be on my second or third on by now. Aw more butthurt: LOL @ 950.00 27 inch monitor compared to HP's 27 version for only 320 @ the aforementioned Amazon, clearly someone is dedicated to their product, no matter the price! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Windows 7 / RAM / Finale installation issues
Hi everyone: A friend wrote me about an issue, and hopefully the collective wisdom of the list could offer a solution: I have a new Win7 64bit laptop and I just tried to install Finale 2009 on it. The installer barks back at me: MakeMusic requires that your system has 256MB of RAM in order to run Finale 2009. The installer will now close. I have gigabytes of RAM on this machine; most likely this is an issue reading available RAM in 64bit Windows. Has anyone else encountered this installation problem? What was the solution? Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Delalande's Symphonies pour la soupir du Roi
Good day: Someone here in New York has asked me about an edition of Delalande's Symphonies pour la soupir du Roi, and have said they can't locate a modern edition. Could anyone help with some leads, or even where the original source(s) are? Thank you kindly, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Delalande's Symphonies pour la soupir du Roi
Thank you so much. I am in the New York City area, do you have any leads for that? A conductor here in NYC wants the music for a concert in March (a rather tight deadline). But I could enter the music rather quickly and generate parts) IF I have a score. Thanks again for all your hard work! Kim On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Wade KOTTER wkot...@weber.edu wrote: Kim: I've sent you the result of a WorldCat search for Delaland symphonies. Doesn't seem to be a complete edition, but selections are available. If you want more detail of individual library holdings, please contact me. In most cases the number of holdings is small, but there is information on the publisher, date, etc. Wade Kotter -- Dr. Wade Kotter Social Sciences Music Librarian Professor of Library Science Adjunct Faculty, Anthropology Stewart Library Weber State University 2901 University Circle Ogden, UT 84408-2901 Voice: 801-626-7458 Fax: 801-626-7045 wkot...@weber.edu http://library.weber.edu/cm/wkotter On 2/8/2011 at 12:02 PM, in message AANLkTikJ8x_iCfdVV9wV0zrnHOhAr3XK5p74=tub4...@mail.gmail.com, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote: Good day: Someone here in New York has asked me about an edition of Delalande's Symphonies pour la soupir du Roi, and have said they can't locate a modern edition. Could anyone help with some leads, or even where the original source(s) are? Thank you kindly, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fort. markings
Because of the confusion in the forewords where I state I use italics for editorial addtions. You know Brian's house style, is it ok in your opinion for me to change these dynamics back to italics? Thanks Dennis! I hope you are doing well! Kim On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:37 AM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: Kim Patrick Clow écrit: I removed the italics, because after your comment, I realize that typically in my own editions, I use italics for editorial additions. I initially use them because in the sources, dynamics are written in an italic script. I guess that's bad on my part. Here's a screen shot of what I have now: http://oi55.tinypic.com/2ng6ftl.jpg But here you obviously use brackets and not italics for editorial additions. So what prevents you from using italics for all the dynamics? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] fort. markings
Good day: In several sources I am working on, instead of the usual 'f I have 'fort' Is it considered legitimate to use italic bold if I am trying to duplicate what the source has or just use simple italics? It's definitely easier bolded, and plus the standard dynamic fonts are bold. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fort. markings
I removed the italics, because after your comment, I realize that typically in my own editions, I use italics for editorial additions. I initially use them because in the sources, dynamics are written in an italic script. I guess that's bad on my part. Here's a screen shot of what I have now: http://oi55.tinypic.com/2ng6ftl.jpg Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fort. markings
Because it's within a sub-section of a multi-section movement, that's not the start of a new movement, even though it looks like one. Tempo di Minuetto - Allegro with a Da capo marking at the end to repeat the first section up to the fermata. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote: Curious, why do you have the repeat sign on the other side of the time signature? On Jan 9, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote: I removed the italics, because after your comment, I realize that typically in my own editions, I use italics for editorial additions. I initially use them because in the sources, dynamics are written in an italic script. I guess that's bad on my part. Here's a screen shot of what I have now: http://oi55.tinypic.com/2ng6ftl.jpg Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: {Spam} Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] {Spam} OT: Historical Horn Notation Question
I know you were asking about horns, but a flute/recorder friend of mine mentioned in passing that the Barenreiter edition of Handel's Water Music has the flute part( (in the G major suite) in the original French violin clef and it was for a flute tuned to G. She hated the fact she was having to do three types of transposing on the fly: the clef, the key, and then the octave required. Thanks Kim On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: I agree, nobody said it. It was surprising to think about the possibility considering who I would have thought the target market for a critical edition might be. I can state that many performance materials based on critical editions do not include F-transposed horn parts. (My knowledge is mainly limited to chamber music by Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven, etc.) However, based on another comment in this thread it appears that some pieces do come with F-transposed parts. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Baroque music / Trumpets in F major
Hi everyone: I am editing a Johann Samuel Endler symphony for Trumpet in F (the orchestral part in Endler's hand is in C major, but a large F written by Clarino. There are two horns, timpani, oboe solo concertante, violin solo concertante, 1/2 violins, and basso continuo (no violas). The trumpet part is extremely high. The music is more rococo than say the 3rd Brandenburg concerto, but at some parts, just as difficult. How common are such pieces for F major trumpets? Is it pretty rare? Thanks much Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Way Off topic - Percy Faith's arrangements
Good day: Does anyone know where Percy Faith's arrangements are archived? I was curious in particular about one song Delicado which apparently he arranged and recorded twice. Thanks much Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 6 to 5
Send it to me Dennis. On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:48 PM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: Could anyone convert one Sibelius 6 file to 5 (or to xml)? Many thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Johannes Gebauer li...@musikmanufaktur.com wrote: A few years ago I managed to find a proper distributor. Since then our sales have multiplied. We first sold only those two CDs while working on a third (which was only a second volume, so no more popular than the other two). We made more money in a few months than in the years with CDBaby, although we get quite a bit less from each CD. We sold enough on those three to make the fourth CD possible, within a year or so. And in the last 18 months, with our fourth CD out (which admittedly hit a small nail, it was the Dussek String Quartets, never previously recorded) we are actually making money. Not much, but enough to keep going. The Dussek CD will need a second pressing probably early next year, that means we have probably sold around 800 through distribution (the rest is for after concert sales etc), of the 1000 we had made. How did you find a proper distributor? Could you go into what the requirements are for a distributor? How to they handle royalties? It sounds like going to that system really worked for you. Incidentally this is not only because of the added European market, we sell most of our CDs in the US. We are also in iTunes, but sell very few that way. My distributor told me there are a few Euros to be made, but nothing compared to the hardware. The odd thing is that classical music sells so well on iTunes! I heard a significant portion of iTunes sales is classical. Something like 15 percent (I may have that wrong though). Congrats too on the success of your CD sales! Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: It took me several years to recoup the costs (as I say, it's an electroacoustic CD with a small audience). I gave away half of them to radio stations, etc., in hopes of scoring royalties. Never happened even though it got a lot of plays. I have a friend who has a modern composer that did that too, and the results were just as heart breaking for him. I don't know how classical record labels (e.g. CPO in Germany or Hyperion in U.K) make any money. I entertained the idea of getting a small string ensemble together to attempt a complete recording of the Graupner string ouvertures, but I quickly dropped the idea when I started seeing what the costs were. And the odd thing is that right now, technology has made it *SO* easy to do your own recordings and editing. And while the Internet has made things more democratic, it's still a nightmare if you don't have any real distribution. Thanks for an interesting thread. Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Maybe, like Albany, the composers pay? Most of the small labels are vanity operations -- or artist funded, where the composer or performers have to apply for grants or raise money from family. I understand that's how Naxos works pretty much-- the ensembles and or conductors pay the label to release the recordings. I think it's about 10,000 USD per title. Very few of the artists on Naxos are paid anything (I know Kevin Mallon and his ensembles are one of them because he mentioned it specifically to me-- although an oboe player from the New York Philharmonic paid Naxos and Mallon to do his vanity recording of oboe concertos that was released about a year and half ago) I know an early music orchestra that apparently had to help cover the recording costs for a CD they did with Chandos too. I wondered why didn't the ensemble just do their own recording and save all that expense themselves? I guess the answer is-- the labels have the distribution outlets. I think CPO and the German ensembles get a lot more state support in terms of grants and funding versus their counterparts in the U.K. or the United States. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:06 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: I know an early music orchestra that apparently had to help cover the recording costs for a CD they did with Chandos too. I wondered why didn't the ensemble just do their own recording and save all that expense themselves? I guess the answer is-- the labels have the distribution outlets. What distribution channels would those be? Well Naxos USA was the distributor for Chandos in the United States. I'm not sure what the decision process is for a distributor to pick up a label. When I worked as an editor for new classical music cd releases at a data mining company, I was honestly shocked at the sheer number of small labels and how prolific their releases were! My dept input at least 300 CDs a month! Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Johannes Gebauer li...@musikmanufaktur.com wrote: Am 23.06.2010 um 21:56 schrieb Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com: I think CPO and the German ensembles get a lot more state support in terms of grants and funding versus their counterparts in the U.K. or the United States. Really? Early Music Ensembles in Germany get no state support at all as far as I know. We certainly get none for Cappella. Johannes La Stagione Frankfurt ist generously supported by the Ministry for Culture and Science of Hessen. I have heard of some others, but can't recall them immediately. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:22 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: I haven't bought a physical CD in a record store for 5 years or more. I always enjoyed browsing in a store. And sadly, J and R's in New York is the last place for doing that in terms of classical music CDs. But I completely agree with all your points David. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: CD Replication
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: Then do you have some explanation of why musical organizations think it's worth their while to invest all that money in paying the commercial labels to produce/distribute their recordings? My guess is maybe because they're doing so much already, trying to juggle another set of balls would just overtax their time and resources. For example, I really wanted to put my editions into hard bound versions and I've looked into book binding and everything related to that. And doing all of that myself if I just had the proper tools. Then I looked into Lulu.com as well, but Johannes mentioned he didn't have much luck with them. I gave up after a while. My main thing is to edit the music and get it out there for the performers. I suppose it's the same deal for ensembles producing their own CDs. The large orchestras can do this maybe ecause they have the money and the staff to do it. But again, that's just a guess on my part. But I still wished I could do recordings of my editions and get them heard, because music that's just sitting on a page really isn't alive. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Creating a Ringtone
I had some friends that were even offering their own music as ring tones, but they didn't make much at all. Merv Griffin made unbelievable amounts in royalties from the ringtone theme to Jeopardy!. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT-Kuhnau
Evangeline Rimbach edited this for A-R Editions. Easily ordered online. Hope this helps. Kim On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, George Brooke gbro...@hohlc.org wrote: Not exactly a Finale topic, but once again I turn to the knowledgeable (and generous) people of the list for assistance. Can anyone guide me to where I might find the music for Johann Kuhnau's Magnificat in C. Ton Koopman recorded this as recently as 2004 but I'm not able to find any listing for the music in my usual sources (or a few not so usual). Thanks for your help, George George F. Brooke Director of Music House of Hope Lutheran Church 4800 Boone Ave N New Hope, MN 55428 763-533-3341 - phone 763-531-9006 - fax gbro...@hohlc.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT-Kuhnau
Sure thing ;) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:14 PM, George Brooke gbro...@hohlc.org wrote: Thank you for your help. That's what I'm looking for! George -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Kim Patrick Clow Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:37 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT-Kuhnau Evangeline Rimbach edited this for A-R Editions. Easily ordered online. Hope this helps. Kim On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, George Brooke gbro...@hohlc.org wrote: Not exactly a Finale topic, but once again I turn to the knowledgeable (and generous) people of the list for assistance. Can anyone guide me to where I might find the music for Johann Kuhnau's Magnificat in C. Ton Koopman recorded this as recently as 2004 but I'm not able to find any listing for the music in my usual sources (or a few not so usual). Thanks for your help, George George F. Brooke Director of Music House of Hope Lutheran Church 4800 Boone Ave N New Hope, MN 55428 763-533-3341 - phone 763-531-9006 - fax gbro...@hohlc.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Secco recitatives
Good day: Some friends were asking me when did keyboard recitative stop in opera? Although I'm not all that familiar with the romantic period, I offered as a suggestion that they ended with Rossini? I've seen Norma in a live performance, and the recitatives seemed to be completely orchestrated. I suggested to my friends, that the demise of keyboard recitative was due to several factors, including the larger opera houses, and louder instruments that were used in romantic period orchestras (plus the larger orchestras too). Could anyone else throw some light on this? Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Explanation of a manuscript
Hi all: I have a question about a manuscript source: http://i39.tinypic.com/2rcn2ip.jpg This is from a sinfonia by Christoph Graupner and you see staves are Trumpet 1, 2, Timpani, Violin 1, Violin 2, Viola, Continuo I'm not exactly sure what the expression under the first violin means ottava bassa or ottava basso. Or how this would impact performance. This is the first time I've encountered this phrase in Graupner's music. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Bar numbers
Hi all: I have a 1st / 2nd ending at the end of a movement. I know typically those bars have the same number. (bar 8 in my case) But the next section starts off with a pick-up beat. Would that be Bar no 8 too? Next full bar then 9? Or would the pick-up bar start at 9 with next full measure as bar 10? Thanks! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Of Rondeaus
Hi everyone: I have a question about a Rondeau that I'm currently editing. Here is a screenshot of the movement: http://i42.tinypic.com/68xwz9.jpg The first section makes sense, but Graupner starts the next section with a repeat bar. But that section really doesn't get played again. The da capo tells you to go back to play A and then you start at the next section (C). Should I really include the repeat bar at the beginning of the B section? My hunch is that's Graupner way of notating a different section, although I don't know why he just didn't use a double bar (and he uses them in his music). Thanks for any suggestions. Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Of Rondeaus
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:31 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: Really? I think it's a perfectly readable MS -- surely one could conduct from it! Sure, it needs modernization of certain notational conventions (like the repeats, but also the # where we'd use naturals), but I could play that at the keyboard from the score, I think. Some of the Telemann Frankfurt cantatas are absolute nightmares (wind instruments at different pitches, organ parts at two pitches), and handwriting in the scores that is a bit messy to read at times. Graupner is a piece of cake when you compare his music to other sources. And Telemann's orchestral suite in G minor TWV g:9 (a rare autograph score) is an absolute nightmare to read. Two oboes, followed by staves for 1/2nd violins, viola and continuo: img src=http://i43.tinypic.com/29kt1dt.jpg; border=2 Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. MS Word 2007 and text boxes/images moving on pages
Good day: I recently upgraded from MS Office 2000 to 2007. I use Word to create my edition's critical reports, which routinely include screenshots of the manuscripts. I insert these as tiffs. with a caption under the tiff that's generated within a text box, which I manually tweek its position by clicking on the outline of the text box until I'm happy. But my issue is that sometimes when I save the file, or generate a PDF, the tiff gets moved on the page. But if I close the file, and reopen it-- everything is ok. Very strange. Not an issue, right? Well, when I sent the Word doc to my editor via G mail, he said the music manuscript tiff and the text box were obviously in the wrong place. I know G mail uses a zipping utility now, it seems everything my editor sends me now I have to unzip. So is there someway I can lock the Word doc contents so the layout doesn't get changed? I'm using a PC and not a Mac. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. MS Word 2007 and text boxes/images moving on pages
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:56 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: One thing that could help is embeding your fonts. This makes the file uneditable, but also insures the same fonts are used on the target PC as on yours. It doesn't fix the graphics in place, but it will mean there's less chance for fonts to change the layout of the rest of the document in a way that would cause the graphics to shift about. How do you embed a font into a Word document? I know you have that option for a PDF. A friend off list suggested 2007 uses a format called docx that allows collaboration and markups. Try saving as an older style Word document, rather than docx (which is the default). I had never thought of that! Thanks David and Dennis! Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blog Format
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:36 PM, John Howell john.how...@vt.edu wrote: I certainly hope not! This is a discussion list. A blog is a monologue. John Livejournal is a blogging website, that allows for individual blogs, and communities as well, some of which are EXTREMELY active on a wide variety of subjects. But I don't think there is one as specific for Finale though. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] repeats again (rondeau)
Hi alI: About a year ago, I showed a copy of one of my Graupner editions to my former supervisior (Ph.D. in musicology from Columbia)-- where I duplicated the autograph score (i.e. no written out repeats of the A section, and Da Capos under each section). He has no idea how to read the movement, and asked me how it would be performed. He is very familiar with early music too (his dissertation was on Zerlino). After this, when I suggested to my publisher that maybe we should write out all the A sections, he insisted early music performers would know how to perform the music, and the instrumental parts could be modified as ordered (i.e to write everything out) if requested. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Text expressions : 'poco' italic or not?
Good day: Hi all: I am working on some 18th century manuscripts, many times I will see poco F or poco piano or poco forte. The default text setting in some music engraving applications is for italic (e.g. Sibelius); but aren't italics traditionally seen as editorial additions, wouldn't having poco in italics be wrong if the wording is actually present in the manuscript source(s)? Thank you kindly, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Off Topic: H.C. Robbins-Landon / Haydn biography and music engraving
Good day: I'm quite behind the times: I just discovered that H.C. Robbins-Landon passed away last November. I was a big fan of his Haydn 5 vol biography that was huge. I remember there were a lot of musical examples provided in those books. My question is: back in the 1970s when the Haydn biography was printed, were publishers using plates for such music score examples? I remember my college weekly newspaper was using a very clunky computer- it would churn out small ribbons of tape with the graphics on it, which were in turn glued to a sticky piece of paper. So I would imagine that a large book company during this period was using much more sophisticated computers for text, but again-- what were they doing for music; and how would they marry computer generated mock-ups of text with plate engraving? Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
Hi everyone: About two months ago, a conductor who I have as a friend on Facebook said he needed a score to a concerto in a hurry ( I assume for a concert project) and could anyone help him? I wrote to him that I had the file, and if he was agreeable to the fee of 100.00 USD, I'd send it to him. I had written to him previously about possible ideas for recording some editions of my music, but typically most of my E-mails went ignored-- I never heard back. Of course, when I initially wrote to him that I had the file he needed, he wrote back within 30 minutes. Well, it's been nearly a month and a half and I haven't been paid yet. I've written two very polite E-mail reminders and they've gone unanswered. This morning his Facebook page had a posting about a conducting gig he was occupied for a week. My first E-mail reminder pointed out that I was recently laid off from my full time job, and as an independent researcher, any freelance money for projects I do now is very important. I have heard some horror stories through the grapevine about cheap-skate conductors that don't live up to their word and will generally not pay bills and of course they get a reputation for being jerks. While I fault myself for not requiring a payment in advance now, should I comment on this conductor's Facebook page and ask why he's ignoring my Emails and requests for payment? I'd hate to put anyone on a spot like that in such a public forum, but I want my money. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: Look, he and you had an agreement. Written (email). Go and post on his facebook page, and if you don't hear anything, take him to small claims court. Just because he is a conductor doesn't mean he can screw you out of payment. He's in Canada, I am in the United States. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Advice sought on a conductor who will not pay his bill
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Kim, Assume the best. There may be an issue with his email account, or other things may have come up (even anti-spam measures). I always assume the best Dennis, trust me. But I really doubt there's any issue with his E-mail client, he's on G-mail like me, and has been posting routinely on Facebook. I didn't mention this in my original post here, but when Herr Conductor immediately wrote to me after I had told him I had the score he needed-- I mentioned that I wasn't sure why he had ignored my previous E-mails-- he acknowledged that he had done that, and offered to let me make that right. If it's via Facebook, it has been having some issues lately. My route would be using postal mail to his professional address with a copy to the organization's own payment staff. I believe you can get acknowledgment of delivery and at least tracking from the US to Canada. Sounds like a winner, and I will do that first thing tommorrow A.M. Thanks (the other) Dennis ;) Have a good one, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs
Who is the music by? On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Richard Huggins huggin...@yahoo.com wrote: I've engraved a collection of piano compositions for a lady and she's asked me about selling PDFs of them on the 'Net. I'm looking for suggested sites to do this. I'm aware of Kagi as a possibility; are there others? Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
Hi everyone: I'm curious, can music editions be ported to these new electronic book formats? If so, what's involved? Thank you kindly. Km ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. iPads/Kindles/Electronic books for music editions?
I wonder how do you get the music into a Kindle though? Is there specific software other than say, PDF? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@googlemail.com wrote: Did a gig last year and the soloist did just that. Cheers, Lawrence \ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] recent Finale versus recent Sibelius
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: And on the Sibelius list there is no discussion at all of Finale can do xyz, why can't Sibelius do it? and no discussion of Finale did abc in its last upgrade, I wonder when Sibelius will do it? The discussions on the Sibelius list are as if Finale didn't exist except as a product many of the users had abandoned or at least are using in tandem with Sibelius depending on the demands of the project and clients of the day. I participate on the Score users list, and there is never any mention of Finale, Sibelius however is talked about quite a bit. Obviously they consider Sibelius to be a 2nd tier engraving application, but quite a few people DO use Sibelius for some sort of raw work that they then port over to Score. That's very telling. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
Gerhard Torges gh.nos...@gmx.de wrote: Unfortunately, the server's location are not of much importance. Any web site must comply to the law in every country it can be accessed. Don't tell that to the Russian hackers that post movies, software, games, music, and porn routinely :-) Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
Michael Good goodli...@recordare.com wrote: information is just two clicks removed from their home page and is also available at the US Copyright Office site at http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/. Do none of these contact paths work for your editor? Thanks for that Mr. Good. Well he wrote to one address on the website, it was returned to him could not connect or somesuch. I don't know which email contact he used, but I will pass this along to him. Thanks again. Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: These absolutely lovely editions [by Dennis Collins] are so inexpensive that it seems criminal to me for anyone to not buy them if they want to use them. The editions Dennis produces are works of art I think. They were, and are constantly a standard I try to adhere to. Dennis spends hours recreating those musical incipits and fonts that grace his work. And I know Brian Clark well enough that I think he would even work out a payment agreement with someone that COULDN'T afford to pay for a set all at once.. He's just that nice. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
Good day: My editor Brian Clark recently discovered that one of his editions just appeared on cpdl.org. He's having a hard time though getting any action because the website seems to be running on automatic (meaning people can upload files without any moderator approving them or checking for copyright violation). Basically it appears that a person lifted the first page sample on my editor's website, re-entered that into a notation program, and then proceded to post it on cpdl.org. THEN they ask for anyone for a complete copy of the sheet music! Brian also blogged about this @ http://bc16661.wordpress.com/ and his email contact is bc16661 @ gmail. com Thanks for any help. Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Carl Dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: Of course, they are now chasing the site's owners through multiple hosts, but if you make the site harder to find, it suts down on the pirate's business. Well E-mails from the site are bouncing now, and it looks like an admin. has logged on since the earlier part of this year, but users can upload to their hearts' content. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
That's fine. Thank you very much John Kim On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM, John Howell john.how...@vt.edu wrote: Kim: With your permission, I will forward your message to the ChoralNet Website. I'm pretty sure Rafael is active there, and would want to know if his website is being used illegally. Please let me know if that's OK. John At 5:34 PM -0400 10/25/09, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Good day: My editor Brian Clark recently discovered that one of his editions just appeared on cpdl.org. He's having a hard time though getting any action because the website seems to be running on automatic (meaning people can upload files without any moderator approving them or checking for copyright violation). Basically it appears that a person lifted the first page sample on my editor's website, re-entered that into a notation program, and then proceded to post it on cpdl.org. THEN they ask for anyone for a complete copy of the sheet music! Brian also blogged about this @ http://bc16661.wordpress.com/ and his email contact is bc16661 @ gmail. com Thanks for any help. Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Kim Patrick Clow Tosca jumped to a conclusion. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Telemann's Heroic Marches / Heldenmusic
Good Day: The 12 Heroic Marches by Telemann are a staple for trumpet players and weddings; and the music is recorded a lot on organ/trumpet CDs. Telemann published these 12 (or it could have been 24) marches and offered them for sale in a 1728 flyer. Telemann's ad specifically mentioned that while all of the marches could be played on solo keyboard, there were two treble instruments and in some marches a trumpet and horn part was provided. The only copy of Telemann's print that survived was located in Konigsburg, Germany at the University library. That sizable music collection went up in smoke, but Ernst Paetzold apparently made an arrangement for solo instrument and piano (NOT organ) prior to World War 2 (that is my assumption - I don't know this for a fact), and it was published in Berlin in 1949. While I was looking for around online for editions of this piece, I've noticed there are a lot of arrangements for sale (usually by trumpet or organ players). Since the original Telemann source(s) vanished, I would assume these new arrangements based on Paetzold's edition. Would these be in copyright violation, especially in Europe where they seem to have much tighter restrictions on public domain than here in the United States? I'm curious because I'd like to do an edition myself and base it on the Paetzold, since it's the closest thing we have to the original unfortunately. But would that be legal? Thanks, Kim -- Kim Patrick Clow Just be yourself! Everyone else is taken! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT: Vivaldi Concerto
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: But it *has* been done -- some of the Editions Fuzeau facsimiles are of early printed editions, and the facsimile text is lightly edited (with suitable notes in the extensive commmentaries). My guess is that out of tens of thousands of notes in Telemann's printing of the Table Music, (he engraved it himself), there were a few mistakes that will be annotated in a critical report. I'm guessing those mistakes were discovered when DG Archiv recorded these in the late 1980s. For what its worth: Telemann's 1736 publication of six suites which was long believed to have been lost, has been recovered from a single print in Moscow. A new edition has been published and Pavel Serbin and his ensemble Pratum Integrum has recorded all of the suites on SACDs with the Caro Mitus label. I have no idea when they will be available here in the United States. The works are scored for string orchestra with 2 horns. I'm just hoping a single copy of Telemann's Heroic Marches will show up in Russian archives. All the performances you hear at concerts, weddings, and on CDs, is based on an arrangment of 12 of the marches (apparently there were 24) and other instruments were included. This arrangement was done prior to WW2. A single surviving original print was destroyed at the University of Konigsburg, Germany in 1945. But there are rumors the library contents were removed to Russia for safekeeping. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT: Vivaldi Concerto
Absolutely right, don't change the key signature. On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM, David McDonald macmusic...@cox.net wrote: Thanks for the responses to my question. And I understand the modal issue. One more question: so is it NOT the proper thing to do (esp in academia) to change the signature to 2 flats in light of modern notation practices? David McDonald MacMusic, Inc. macmusic...@cox.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Kim Patrick Clow Just be yourself! Everyone else is taken! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Vivaldi Concerto
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM, David McDonald macmusic...@cox.net wrote: For all you early music history buffs: I'm editing/adapting a Vivaldi concerto for my string ensemble Concerto in G minor for 2 Cellos and Strings RV 531 Why is it G minor but the key signature is 1 flat? They were still sorting the church modes and the new ideas about keys during the baroque. I deal with this a lot with Telemann, Graupner, and Stoelzel's music. Sometimes it can be REALLY confusing. Although my editor mentioned he just finished a late baroque piece in the key of D flat major! Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trumpet question
There's a fascinating reading of the Bach Brandenburg 3rd from 1953 on the DG-Archiv label with the Konzertgruppe der Schola Cantorum Basiliensis Conducted by: August Wenzinge. I am not sure if these are period instruments though. EMI Recordings has released some recordings dating from the 1920s that are even more fascinating to hear. I think in some peformances, a saxophone was used because trumpet players couldn't handle the difficult part? BTW: I LOVE the font used on the Archiv sleeve during this period, it reminds me a lot of Barenreiter's elegant fonds used in their Urtext editions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxWjGjmSIWEfeature=related Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trumpet question
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Ray Horton rayhor...@insightbb.com wrote: That recording is very interesting, Kim. An Archiv 45 single! I think the recorder is much closer to the mic than the trumpet (and everybody else, for that matter) - it has an unusual presence. It's funny you mentioned the recorder-- there's another clip with Maurice Andre, and instead of a recorder, a modern flute is used, which to my ears, doesn't have the same snap or sizzle or bite a recorder gives the music, which seems odd. Have fun going through the catacombs ;) Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trumpet question
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Barbara Touburg btoub...@wanadoo.nl wrote: On Youtube there are clips of the Brandenburg concertos by the Freiburg Baroque. In this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jtk4ETAx8g the trumpet player moves his right hand fingers in a special way. What does he to? Are there tiny holes in the tube? Yes, those hole affect the pitch. Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trumpet question
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Barbara Touburg btoub...@wanadoo.nl wrote: the trumpet player moves his right hand fingers in a special way. What does he to? Are there tiny holes in the tube? Barbara Er... Yes, those holes affect the pitch. Thanks ;) Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Trumpet question
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Howard Weiner h.wei...@online.de wrote: Unfortunately, the extra security that the vent holes provide also make it possible for trumpeters to play louder than they otherwise could on the old trumpets. In recent years, a number of European trumpet players, above all Jean-Francois Madeuf, have started playing without holes with increasing success. Howard I've heard Edward Tarr's recordings of the Charamela Real sonatas on the 18th century silver Lisbon trumpets, which were cast in Germany I believe, and they are much softer sounding than modern replicas of baroque trumpets. Fantastic recordings btw. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
