Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
From what Darcy says, the replacement of AppleWorks supports PDFs no problem. AppleWorks6 dates back to when OSX first came out, so the fact that they can be imported at all is surprising. I guess I will be looking into replacing my venerable AppleWorks. I kinda liked it; so I hope they haven't screwed it up too much. ChristopherHi Chris,Pages and Keynote came on a disc included with my Tiger upgrade. They are only trial versions but at least you can get an idea if they will work for you before buying, and they're not that expensive anyway.Jonathan___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
Hi Darcy, I had already looked at the system profiler and determined that I have an nVidia card - too bad! (I know, it's hard to tell from some of my posts what level of Mac savvy I have because there are a few things about which I know a little, and others about which I know only enough to get myself into trouble!) I am aware that the Radeon 9200 supports Versavision, and I agree, it's not that expensive, if you need the rotation feature. Cheers to you too, Darcy All the best, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Looking into this further, it seems there's a fair bit of confusion about the issue at the moment. So far as I can tell, the leading theory is that screen rotation is only supported on ATI video cards, not (yet) on nVidia cards -- which is possibly why Apple hasn't promoted this new Tiger feature at all. You can use Apple System Profiler to determine which model of video card you have -- just launch ASP and click on the PCI/AGP Cards tab. At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 May 2005, at 12:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy, So say you, and others, but there's no place I can find (I am on 10.4) where I can access that. What am I missing? I have been directed to Syatem prefs - displays by others (John Bell, if I remember correctly) but there's nothing there to indicate a possibility of rotation. Someone else suggested that some older cards do not support this. Who is wrong? I'd be delighted to get the rotation without spending more money. Thanks, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4. You should be able to use screen rotation with your existing video card once you upgrade to 10.4. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
Hey Chuck, If it's any consolation, I would guess that support for screen rotation on nVidia cards is in the works. After all, Apple write the nVidia drivers themselves (nVidia provide only the hardware design), and the current situation is a bit of a nightmare. It's actually disappointing and very un-Apple like for them to release an OS with an almost completely undocumented feature that only works on one manufacturer's video cards. When features like screen rotation are introduced, they are supposed to just work. Clearly this feature is causing a tremendous amount of confusion, and it really looks like they should have kept it under wraps it until they could get it to work on (at least) all currently shipping Macs, regardless of video card manufacturer. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 May 2005, at 12:50 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy, I had already looked at the system profiler and determined that I have an nVidia card - too bad! (I know, it's hard to tell from some of my posts what level of Mac savvy I have because there are a few things about which I know a little, and others about which I know only enough to get myself into trouble!) I am aware that the Radeon 9200 supports Versavision, and I agree, it's not that expensive, if you need the rotation feature. Cheers to you too, Darcy All the best, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Looking into this further, it seems there's a fair bit of confusion about the issue at the moment. So far as I can tell, the leading theory is that screen rotation is only supported on ATI video cards, not (yet) on nVidia cards -- which is possibly why Apple hasn't promoted this new Tiger feature at all. You can use Apple System Profiler to determine which model of video card you have -- just launch ASP and click on the PCI/AGP Cards tab. At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 May 2005, at 12:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy, So say you, and others, but there's no place I can find (I am on 10.4) where I can access that. What am I missing? I have been directed to Syatem prefs - displays by others (John Bell, if I remember correctly) but there's nothing there to indicate a possibility of rotation. Someone else suggested that some older cards do not support this. Who is wrong? I'd be delighted to get the rotation without spending more money. Thanks, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4. You should be able to use screen rotation with your existing video card once you upgrade to 10.4. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
Darcy wrote: At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so). Just a word of advice - if you buy the 9200, just make sure that you buy the AGP version, as the PCI version with all the bells and whistles unfortunately doesn't use Quartz Extreme acceleration. This is a problem if you're using a big screen - the menus etc. are glacial, as I found out from bitter experience! And if you buy the 9600 OEM model instead, you won't get screen rotation until you upgrade to OS X 10.4 Tiger. Also discovered from experience... Matthew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 22/05/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
In an exchange with MacSupport, they told me that the ultra low-res preview image was the result of design. If they had included a high-res preview, then your word processing file would have been huge. I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. I suggested that there be a user-selectionable image resolution, set low by default if they like, but the default should be user-adjustable. Maybe a slider. They said they would forward it to feature requests, but it will die there unless other people write in and ask for it as well. I complained too. But in the meantime I have switched to 600dpi TIFF images so I can read and check music on screen, which like you I like to do. They look good. -- Rocky Road - in Oz Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest, for a shining planet known as Earth. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
On May 22, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Rocky Road wrote: In an exchange with MacSupport, they told me that the ultra low-res preview image was the result of design. If they had included a high-res preview, then your word processing file would have been huge. I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. I suggested that there be a user-selectionable image resolution, set low by default if they like, but the default should be user-adjustable. Maybe a slider. They said they would forward it to feature requests, but it will die there unless other people write in and ask for it as well. I complained too. But in the meantime I have switched to 600dpi TIFF images so I can read and check music on screen, which like you I like to do. They look good. But you can't resize them without getting mondo jaggies. That's the main thing in favour of EPS inserts. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On May 21, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Neal Gittleman wrote: I'm extracting an .eps file from Finale, pasting it into a Word document. So I do the extraction, choosing PICT preview, include fonts, get the nonsensical warning about Chicago (which I'm not using) not being EPS-able and save the .eps file. Then I insert the .eps file into Word and all is well. On screen I have a not-too-good preview image, but I can see it. Off the printer it's great. Glad you worked it out. In an exchange with MacSupport, they told me that the ultra low-res preview image was the result of design. If they had included a high-res preview, then your word processing file would have been huge. I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. I suggested that there be a user-selectionable image resolution, set low by default if they like, but the default should be user-adjustable. Maybe a slider. They said they would forward it to feature requests, but it will die there unless other people write in and ask for it as well. For a while, I rebooted into OS9 and made my EPS files with Finale 2003, where the preview looked great, but I quickly ran into situations where I needed to make my EPS files from existing 2005 files, and so that idea ran out of steam. Write in and ask for the option to choose higher-res previews. And while you're at it, ask them why include fonts doesn't seem to work. If I try to print a word-processing document with EPSs embedded on another computer that doesn't have jef chippewa's special JazzCord font on it, then all the chord symbols show up as Courier. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
On 21 May 2005, at 10:11 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. [...] And while you're at it, ask them why include fonts doesn't seem to work. If I try to print a word-processing document with EPSs embedded on another computer that doesn't have jef chippewa's special JazzCord font on it, then all the chord symbols show up as Courier. Given all of the problems with low-res EPS display and lack of portability to other computers, is there any reason why you don't use PDFs for your musical examples instead of EPS? That strikes me as a much better solution, which happens to solve both of those problems in one go. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On May 21, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 21 May 2005, at 10:11 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. [...] And while you're at it, ask them why include fonts doesn't seem to work. If I try to print a word-processing document with EPSs embedded on another computer that doesn't have jef chippewa's special JazzCord font on it, then all the chord symbols show up as Courier. Given all of the problems with low-res EPS display and lack of portability to other computers, is there any reason why you don't use PDFs for your musical examples instead of EPS? That strikes me as a much better solution, which happens to solve both of those problems in one go. - Darcy Huh? How do you make a PDF a single staff, or a 1-1/2 inch box? I don't know how to do this, but if I did, I would use it instead. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 21 May 2005, at 2:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Huh? How do you make a PDF a single staff, or a 1-1/2 inch box? I don't know how to do this, but if I did, I would use it instead. Hi Chris, Save the page as a PDF, open it in Preview, go to the Select Tool (cmd-3), draw a box around the relevant material, and hit the crop button (or hit cmd-K). N.B., this only works on single-page PDFs. Preview won't let you crop multi-page PDFs. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I should add, you can also open existing EPS files in Preview and convert them to PDF. There's probably some way of automating this for batch processing. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 2:22 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 21 May 2005, at 2:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Huh? How do you make a PDF a single staff, or a 1-1/2 inch box? I don't know how to do this, but if I did, I would use it instead. Hi Chris, Save the page as a PDF, open it in Preview, go to the Select Tool (cmd-3), draw a box around the relevant material, and hit the crop button (or hit cmd-K). N.B., this only works on single-page PDFs. Preview won't let you crop multi-page PDFs. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On May 21, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 21 May 2005, at 2:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Huh? How do you make a PDF a single staff, or a 1-1/2 inch box? I don't know how to do this, but if I did, I would use it instead. Hi Chris, Save the page as a PDF, open it in Preview, go to the Select Tool (cmd-3), draw a box around the relevant material, and hit the crop button (or hit cmd-K). Hmm, it works as you describe, but the resolution is not very good. I dragged the resulting PDF into an AppleWorks text document, where it looked fine on screen at normal screen resolutions, but it looks like a screen capture when I print it out on my LaserJet 4. I had heard (from where, on this list? I don't remember.) rumours that PDF's created from the Mac print dialogue box were not as high print quality as printing directly from inside the app, but I can't tell any difference whatsoever on my own printer, printing from Preview, and have not gotten any complaints from my clients yet (mostly on PC). But for this, importing PDFs into AppleWorks, the problem is very noticeable, and frankly, unusable unless I can control things somehow. N.B., this only works on single-page PDFs. Preview won't let you crop multi-page PDFs. Yes, isn't that weird? I wonder what the problem is implementing this? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
On 21 May 2005 at 16:08, Christopher Smith wrote: On May 21, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: N.B., this only works on single-page PDFs. Preview won't let you crop multi-page PDFs. Yes, isn't that weird? I wonder what the problem is implementing this? Well, PostScript is a *page* description language, and has always been page-based. That is the origin of Score's complete page orientation, since it was designed to output PostScript. And, logically speaking, how would you crop a selection that spanned multiple pages? Say you wanted to crop to the bottom 2 systems on one page and the top 1 system on the next. Should the crop tool consolidate those onto one page, should it leave the blank space and print them in exactly the same places on 2 pages? No, cropping multiple pages makes no logical sense. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word
On 21 May 2005, at 21:08, Christopher Smith wrote: N.B., this only works on single-page PDFs. Preview won't let you crop multi-page PDFs. Yes, isn't that weird? I wonder what the problem is implementing this? You can do it in OS 10.4 (Tiger).John___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On May 21, 2005, at 4:30 PM, John Bell wrote: On 21 May 2005, at 21:08, Christopher Smith wrote: N.B., this only works on single-page PDFs. Preview won't let you crop multi-page PDFs. Yes, isn't that weird? I wonder what the problem is implementing this? You can do it in OS 10.4 (Tiger). John Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) I just found it strange that I couldn't crop a single box from one page of a multi-page PDF. I suppose if I was selecting across several pages the logistics would be strange, as David pointed out, but just ONE page? Sure, why not. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On May 21, 2005, at 4:30 PM, John Bell wrote: On 21 May 2005, at 21:08, Christopher Smith wrote: N.B., this only works on single-page PDFs. Preview won't let you crop multi-page PDFs. Yes, isn't that weird? I wonder what the problem is implementing this? You can do it in OS 10.4 (Tiger). And how does it look when imported into a word processing doc? Bad resolution, with shadowed anti-aliasing and all the rest? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Chris, That's not a problem with the PDF, that's (evidently) a problem with AppleWorks. I don't have AppleWorks so I can't test, but this sounds similar to the problem importing PDFs into Word, which has absolutely awful graphics handling. You would have the same distortion problems if you imported a full-page PDF, or a PDF created with Acrobat instead of Preview. But there's nothing wrong with the cropped PDF itself. It imports (and prints) fine into any application that doesn't make a complete mess of imported graphics -- like, for instance, Adobe InDesign, or Apple's Pages app. (Since AppleWorks has been discontinued, perhaps it's time to consider upgrading to Pages?) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 4:08 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On May 21, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 21 May 2005, at 2:12 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Huh? How do you make a PDF a single staff, or a 1-1/2 inch box? I don't know how to do this, but if I did, I would use it instead. Hi Chris, Save the page as a PDF, open it in Preview, go to the Select Tool (cmd-3), draw a box around the relevant material, and hit the crop button (or hit cmd-K). Hmm, it works as you describe, but the resolution is not very good. I dragged the resulting PDF into an AppleWorks text document, where it looked fine on screen at normal screen resolutions, but it looks like a screen capture when I print it out on my LaserJet 4. I had heard (from where, on this list? I don't remember.) rumours that PDF's created from the Mac print dialogue box were not as high print quality as printing directly from inside the app, but I can't tell any difference whatsoever on my own printer, printing from Preview, and have not gotten any complaints from my clients yet (mostly on PC). But for this, importing PDFs into AppleWorks, the problem is very noticeable, and frankly, unusable unless I can control things somehow. N.B., this only works on single-page PDFs. Preview won't let you crop multi-page PDFs. Yes, isn't that weird? I wonder what the problem is implementing this? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 21 May 2005, at 4:59 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, That's not a problem with the PDF, that's (evidently) a problem with AppleWorks. I don't have AppleWorks so I can't test, but this sounds similar to the problem importing PDFs into Word, which has absolutely awful graphics handling. Correction: I forgot, I *do* have AppleWorks 6 -- it came bundled with my Mac mini. So yes, the PDF importing in AppleWorks is exactly the same as Word -- i.e., unusably awful. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 21 May 2005 at 16:59, Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't have AppleWorks so I can't test, but this sounds similar to the problem importing PDFs into Word, which has absolutely awful graphics handling. Word's handling of graphics on the PC is exemplary in terms of ability to successfully rescale and sharply render all the common PC graphics formats and allow them to be resized without loss of detail. The UI sucks, however, defaulting to all the wrong settings when you insert the graphics. So far as I know, though, even Word 2003 can't import PDFs. If it were part of the OS, as with Word on OS X, then I expect it would be supported. I'm actually rather surpised that the Mac Word development team hasn't done a better job. Are you sure the results are just bad with Word's default import settings, as they are on the PC? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi David, The problems with Word's PDF importing are not a question of default settings. The problem is that the outline fonts and line graphics in PDF's are automatically rasterized when you import them -- and rasterized at an unprintably low resolution. There is, as far as I know, no way to change this behavior. When you import a PDF into Pages, or InDesign, or any decently PDF-aware OS X app, the outline fonts and line graphics are not rasterized and remain fully scaleable. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 5:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 May 2005 at 16:59, Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't have AppleWorks so I can't test, but this sounds similar to the problem importing PDFs into Word, which has absolutely awful graphics handling. Word's handling of graphics on the PC is exemplary in terms of ability to successfully rescale and sharply render all the common PC graphics formats and allow them to be resized without loss of detail. The UI sucks, however, defaulting to all the wrong settings when you insert the graphics. So far as I know, though, even Word 2003 can't import PDFs. If it were part of the OS, as with Word on OS X, then I expect it would be supported. I'm actually rather surpised that the Mac Word development team hasn't done a better job. Are you sure the results are just bad with Word's default import settings, as they are on the PC? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On May 21, 2005, at 5:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: So far as I know, though, even Word 2003 can't import PDFs. If it were part of the OS, as with Word on OS X, then I expect it would be supported. It supports importing PDF's but the result is the same as AppleWorks; anti-aliasing shadowing all over the place. I'm actually rather surpised that the Mac Word development team hasn't done a better job. Are you sure the results are just bad with Word's default import settings, as they are on the PC? From what Darcy says, the replacement of AppleWorks supports PDFs no problem. AppleWorks6 dates back to when OSX first came out, so the fact that they can be imported at all is surprising. I guess I will be looking into replacing my venerable AppleWorks. I kinda liked it; so I hope they haven't screwed it up too much. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On May 21, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Hmm, I have a fairly big, hairy, muscular Radeon 9600 in my feeble G4 733 mHz. Is that too old and useless, then? Where can I find info on this seemingly undocumented feature? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 21 May 2005, at 21:58, Christopher Smith wrote:You can do it in OS 10.4 (Tiger). And how does it look when imported into a word processing doc? Bad resolution, with shadowed anti-aliasing and all the rest? Yes___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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It's the same card as my G5 1.8 Dual, and it supports screen rotation. I don't know if all monitors are supported but I'd guess your graphic card is ok. http://www2.ati.com/drivers/macosx-ati-displays-4-5-1.html Here is a link to the cards supported by ati display in case native screen rotation isn't available in Tiger. It may well support the same set of cards also. Éric Dussault Le 05-05-21 à 20:47, Christopher Smith a écrit : Hmm, I have a fairly big, hairy, muscular Radeon 9600 in my feeble G4 733 mHz. Is that too old and useless, then? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Chuck, Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4. You should be able to use screen rotation with your existing video card once you upgrade to 10.4. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 21 May 2005, at 8:39 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: From what Darcy says, the replacement of AppleWorks supports PDFs no problem. AppleWorks6 dates back to when OSX first came out, so the fact that they can be imported at all is surprising. I guess I will be looking into replacing my venerable AppleWorks. I kinda liked it; so I hope they haven't screwed it up too much. Pages is *very* different from AppleWorks. It's much more of an entry-level desktop publishing app than a word processing app. I like it a lot, but coming from AppleWorks (or Word), there's definitely a significant learning curve to be overcome, and you will have to adjust your workflow. I think this is very much the wave of the future, and a smart move on Apple's part -- the distinction between word processing and desktop publishing has become pretty arbitrary, and after getting used to Pages, dedicated word processors like Word, AppleWorks etc., feel really clumsy and underpowered. But it definitely takes some getting used to. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Darcy, So say you, and others, but there's no place I can find (I am on 10.4) where I can access that. What am I missing? I have been directed to Syatem prefs - displays by others (John Bell, if I remember correctly) but there's nothing there to indicate a possibility of rotation. Someone else suggested that some older cards do not support this. Who is wrong? I'd be delighted to get the rotation without spending more money. Thanks, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4. You should be able to use screen rotation with your existing video card once you upgrade to 10.4. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Chuck, Looking into this further, it seems there's a fair bit of confusion about the issue at the moment. So far as I can tell, the leading theory is that screen rotation is only supported on ATI video cards, not (yet) on nVidia cards -- which is possibly why Apple hasn't promoted this new Tiger feature at all. You can use Apple System Profiler to determine which model of video card you have -- just launch ASP and click on the PCI/AGP Cards tab. At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 22 May 2005, at 12:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy, So say you, and others, but there's no place I can find (I am on 10.4) where I can access that. What am I missing? I have been directed to Syatem prefs - displays by others (John Bell, if I remember correctly) but there's nothing there to indicate a possibility of rotation. Someone else suggested that some older cards do not support this. Who is wrong? I'd be delighted to get the rotation without spending more money. Thanks, Chuck On May 21, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4. You should be able to use screen rotation with your existing video card once you upgrade to 10.4. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! Yummy!) Beware, Chris. This feature depends on having a graphics card which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this feature. I will only really need this the next time I work on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13 vertical dimension that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary (and expensive) card then. Too bad. I am disappointed. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
