Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

With mine you have to drop the System_7.5.3 file on the smiling Mac. When
MM released it in 2009 this was not necessary, but now (at least for me) it
is.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Johannes Gebauer  wrote:

> Am 15.07.16 um 09:51 schrieb Dr. Raphael D. Thöne:
> > The fhv.file is the Start Disk for the Mini vMac.
> >
>
> But it isn't loading. Where should it be? right now, the folder includes:
>
> Mini vMac
> System_7.5.3.hfv
> Mini vMac.exe
> vMac.ROM
>
> (it is called hfv, not fhv, is that the problem? I didn't rename anything.)
>
>
> >> > Am 15.07.2016 um 09:48 schrieb Johannes Gebauer <
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com>:
> >> >
> >> > Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber:
> >>> >> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip
> >> >
> >> > Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a
> >> > Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder,
> >> > but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?)
> >> >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 15.07.16 um 09:51 schrieb Dr. Raphael D. Thöne:
> The fhv.file is the Start Disk for the Mini vMac.
>

But it isn't loading. Where should it be? right now, the folder includes:

Mini vMac
System_7.5.3.hfv
Mini vMac.exe
vMac.ROM

(it is called hfv, not fhv, is that the problem? I didn't rename anything.)


>> > Am 15.07.2016 um 09:48 schrieb Johannes Gebauer 
>> > :
>> >
>> > Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber:
>>> >> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip
>> >
>> > Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a
>> > Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder,
>> > but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?)
>> >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

The fhv.file is the Start Disk for the Mini vMac.

> Am 15.07.2016 um 09:48 schrieb Johannes Gebauer :
> 
> Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber:
>> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip
> 
> Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a 
> Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder, 
> but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?)
> 
> Johannes
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 14.07.16 um 19:02 schrieb Aaron Sherber:
> Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip

Just out of interest, what would I have to do to get this running on a 
Mac? (I have downloaded the Mini vMac and put it into the same folder, 
but I get the disk symbol with the question mark. What is missing?)

Johannes
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Brian Appleby]

In 1988 or 89 two friends and I wangled NAMM passes through a local music store 
in Edmonton.  We had been using DMCS and Professional Composer and getting 
frustrated with their limitations and bugs.  We were hanging around a booth, 
might have been MOTU, when a guy approached us and asked if we would like to 
see a new notation program.  We went up to a suite and got a demo from Phil 
Farrand, the original genius behind Finale.  He was mostly pumped about showing 
us the real time transcription features but we could see the notation potential 
was far ahead of what we were using.  We ordered three copies for the music 
store (don’t think we had any authority to do that) and bought them from the 
store as soon as they arrived, which wasn’t very long.  We all had 000xxx 
three-digit serial numbers, which we still have today with the addition of some 
letters and zeros.  As soon as we got our hands on Finale we dove right into a 
publishing project and learned on the go.  We’ve used it ever since, and marvel 
at how powerful and (comparatively) easy to use the program has become.  All of 
our publications at ApRo Music have been self published using Finale, dating 
back to 1989.

As a Start Trek Next Generation fan, I was fascinated a few years later to 
learn than Phil Farrand was the author of The Nitpickers Guide for Next 
Generation Trekkers and a few subsequent volumes.  A man of many and varied 
interests, apparently.

Doubt that any of Phil’s code remains, but the program is still obviously the 
child of that demo we saw back then.

Brian Appleby


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:28 AM, David Froom  wrote:
> 
> Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
> Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
> slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of 
> the generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of 
> raised rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them 
> that when I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one 
> could still find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of 
> music scribes, all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts 
> for shows, bands, commercials, and the few composers who were getting big 
> orchestral performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the 
> finished scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus 
> (which became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper 
> and pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, 
> ink, special rulers). 
> 
> Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
> floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and 
> pre smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent 
> graphic), and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only 
> because fixing mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get 
> something that actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around 
> the mid 1990s that Finale became faster than doing it by hand.
> 
> David Froom
> 
>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
 Dennis
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Aaron Sherber]

Here's a copy: http://aaron.sherber.com/files/vMacFinale.zip

Aaron.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Robert Patterson <
rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:

> I have searched high and low and can't find a download link for the Finale
> 1.0 emulator. It uses the mac emulator Mini vMac
> , which is available for both macOS
> and
> Windows (as well as Linux).
>
> In researching this, I am intrigued to discover that Mini vMac is actively
> being developed, including a pending iOS version. You'll be able to run
> Finale 1.0 on your iPhone! (Haha. I think the main impetus around
> development is resurrecting the old Mac games.)
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
> raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Could you please give me that download link for Finale 1.0?
> > > Am 13.07.2016 um 19:30 schrieb Robert Patterson <
> > rob...@robertgpatterson.com>:
> > >
> > > I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually
> > available.
> > > Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> > > exactly how much!)
> > >
> > > Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> > >
> > > For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone
> > app
> > > that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I
> > checked
> > > you could still download it. How far we've come!
> > >
> > > (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running
> on
> > > 10.11. Haha)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> > >
> > >> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I
> > used
> > >> that all the way up until 1996!
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> > >> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got
> Finale
> > >>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and
> > now
> > >>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> > >>>
> >  On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> > >>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> > > Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I
> have
> > >>> used
> > > Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others
> whose
> > > knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine,
> > including
> > >>> the
> > > always reliable Christopher Smith.
> > 
> >  Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> > >>> version
> >  until version 2.
> > 
> >  Dennis
> > 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I have searched high and low and can't find a download link for the Finale
1.0 emulator. It uses the mac emulator Mini vMac
, which is available for both macOS and
Windows (as well as Linux).

In researching this, I am intrigued to discover that Mini vMac is actively
being developed, including a pending iOS version. You'll be able to run
Finale 1.0 on your iPhone! (Haha. I think the main impetus around
development is resurrecting the old Mac games.)


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:

> Could you please give me that download link for Finale 1.0?
> > Am 13.07.2016 um 19:30 schrieb Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>:
> >
> > I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually
> available.
> > Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> > exactly how much!)
> >
> > Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> >
> > For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone
> app
> > that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I
> checked
> > you could still download it. How far we've come!
> >
> > (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
> > 10.11. Haha)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> >
> >> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I
> used
> >> that all the way up until 1996!
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> >> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
> >>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and
> now
> >>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> >>>
>  On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> >>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> > Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
> >>> used
> > Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> > knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine,
> including
> >>> the
> > always reliable Christopher Smith.
> 
>  Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> >>> version
>  until version 2.
> 
>  Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Kenneth Moore]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:16:11, Johannes Gebauer 
 wrote:

>I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
>(2k9) to the current.

and, on Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:26:07:

> How is compatibility with older files?

I have recently taken files from F2000 and even earlier into F2014 (Windows; I 
have downloaded F2014.5 but hit installation problems).  A frequent problem is 
that in scrolling playback of the imported file the sound precedes the 
scrolling by a second or so.  For various reasons I have also occasionally had 
to set up a new empty score and transfer content stave by stave.  My files are 
not particularly large, typically less than 15 staves and no percussion.

Ken Moore

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[dershem]

On 7/13/2016 8:18 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
> In the late 1980s I played around with Lime.  I liked Lime in its
> general structure and approach, but it was limited.
>
> The first version of Finale I used was version 2-point-something,
> which I borrowed from a cousin.  It wasn’t long before I knew I
> wanted it, so I bought my own and started with v3.0.  I still fondly
> remember the lovely three-volume user manual/tutorial/encyclopedia.
>
> I was a frequent Finale user all through the 1990s, but some time
> around 2005 my life turned in a different direction and since then
> engraving is something I only dabble in occasionally.  This year, for
> the first time in almost three decades, I’m without any working
> version of Finale.  I had to upgrade my computer in January; I was
> advised that my version of Finale — v2010 — wouldn’t work well on my
> new operating system, so I never reinstalled it.
>
> I’m only now starting to miss it.  A few weeks ago I pulled out an
> old arrangement and started doodling with it — with pen and paper! —
> and more generally I’ve started feeling the desire to get back into
> music again.
>
> So now I’m planning to upgrade.  I think there’s a good chance I’ll
> make the jump to Dorico in the fall, but I don’t think I’ll want to
> be with nothing for that long.  (And besides, most of the cost will
> be made up in the cross-grade vs new price for Dorico.)
>
> mdl

 I did a lot of hand-copying back in the 70's - paid part of my way 
through college doing it, and was tempted to go to LA to work for 
Alphaeus or Judy Greene, but got sidetracked.
 Been using FInale since probably version 2 or so - I remember the 
enormous manuals we got with that version.  I still use version 10, and 
have had zero problems under Windows 10 (64 bit).  I have 2012, but ... 
many of the changes were unfriendly to the way I work, so I don't use it.
 I used Finale during the years I was a copyist for Walrus Music, 
until it got sold, and never had a complaint, but I also built a lot of 
libraries that helped legibility, and that didn't transfer to 2012.

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Mark D Lew]

In the late 1980s I played around with Lime.  I liked Lime in its general 
structure and approach, but it was limited.

The first version of Finale I used was version 2-point-something, which I 
borrowed from a cousin.  It wasn’t long before I knew I wanted it, so I bought 
my own and started with v3.0.  I still fondly remember the lovely three-volume 
user manual/tutorial/encyclopedia.

I was a frequent Finale user all through the 1990s, but some time around 2005 
my life turned in a different direction and since then engraving is something I 
only dabble in occasionally.  This year, for the first time in almost three 
decades, I’m without any working version of Finale.  I had to upgrade my 
computer in January; I was advised that my version of Finale — v2010 — wouldn’t 
work well on my new operating system, so I never reinstalled it.

I’m only now starting to miss it.  A few weeks ago I pulled out an old 
arrangement and started doodling with it — with pen and paper! — and more 
generally I’ve started feeling the desire to get back into music again.

So now I’m planning to upgrade.  I think there’s a good chance I’ll make the 
jump to Dorico in the fall, but I don’t think I’ll want to be with nothing for 
that long.  (And besides, most of the cost will be made up in the cross-grade 
vs new price for Dorico.)

mdl
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[David H. Bailey]

On 7/13/2016 12:49 PM, Ryan wrote:
> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
>
[snip]

That's about when I moved to Finale.  Version 3.5 was my first Finale 
version.

-- 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Raphael, 
Jack's then-colleague at berklee, Greg Fritze, told me about MP+, and I then 
permanently lost my left-handed osmiroid, all my Scripto K780s, and the 
Not-a-Set pages. ;-)
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne 
>  wrote:
> 
> My composition teacher at Berklee, Jack Jarrett, wrote MusicPrinterPlus…. and 
> later developed Notion, at least until Version 3…. he is still using 
> MusicPrinterPlus...
> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 18:49 schrieb Ryan :
>> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
 Dennis
 
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

Could you please give me that download link for Finale 1.0?
> Am 13.07.2016 um 19:30 schrieb Robert Patterson :
> 
> I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
> Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> exactly how much!)
> 
> Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> 
> For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
> that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
> you could still download it. How far we've come!
> 
> (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
> 10.11. Haha)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

My composition teacher at Berklee, Jack Jarrett, wrote MusicPrinterPlus…. and 
later developed Notion, at least until Version 3…. he is still using 
MusicPrinterPlus...

> Am 13.07.2016 um 18:49 schrieb Ryan :
> 
> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
 Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
 Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
 knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
 always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Wow-didn't think this would elicit so many replies 

I had the original MusicPrinter on my apple
 ][e and][e, then moved to Laser Music Processor (anyone else use that one???) 
and MusicPrinter Plus on my PCs circa 1987(?).
I also had a utility called Laser Twin that (allegedly) made 9-pin dot-matrix 
printer output resemble a laser printer. Sorta. It did so by overtyping six or 
seven times. Sometimes it put holes in the paper from all the overtyping, as I 
recall.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:28 PM, GERALD BERG  wrote:
> 
> Professional Composer and Professional Performer!  A 2 floppy disk tag team 
> as i recall.  I  miss it for composing. The time signature and bar line was 
> an after thought whereas in Finale it is a before you begin kind of thing. GJB
> 
>  From: David Froom 
> To: finale@shsu.edu 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
> 
> Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
> Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
> slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of 
> the generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of 
> raised rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them 
> that when I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one 
> could still find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of 
> music scribes, all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts 
> for shows, bands, commercials, and the few composers who were getting big 
> orchestral performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the 
> finished scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus 
> (which became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper 
> and pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, 
> ink, special rulers). 
> 
> Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
> floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and 
> pre smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent 
> graphic), and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only 
> because fixing mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get 
> something that actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around 
> the mid 1990s that Finale became faster than doing it by hand.
> 
> David Froom
> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>>>> Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
>>>>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>>>>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
>>>>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>>> 
>>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
>>>> until version 2.
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[GERALD BERG]

Professional Composer and Professional Performer!  A 2 floppy disk tag team as 
i recall.  I  miss it for composing. The time signature and bar line was an 
after thought whereas in Finale it is a before you begin kind of thing. GJB

  From: David Froom 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
   
Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of the 
generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of raised 
rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them that when 
I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one could still 
find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of music scribes, 
all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts for shows, bands, 
commercials, and the few composers who were getting big orchestral 
performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the finished 
scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus (which 
became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper and 
pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, ink, 
special rulers). 

Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and pre 
smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent graphic), 
and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only because fixing 
mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get something that 
actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around the mid 1990s that 
Finale became faster than doing it by hand.

David Froom
 
> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>>> Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
>>>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>>>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
>>>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Jón Kristinn Cortez]

I was using (HB) Music Engraver on Mac SE when I saw the ad for Finale 1. The 
price was $1.000! 
I had to save up and got Finale 2.0.6 and have had nearly all upgrades since.
Oldest file now on my computer is Finale 3.0.1r11. Opens fine in Finale 2014d.

Cortez


> On 13. júl. 2016, at 17:30, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
> Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> exactly how much!)
> 
> Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> 
> For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
> that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
> you could still download it. How far we've come!
> 
> (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
> 10.11. Haha)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
exactly how much!)

Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.

For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
you could still download it. How far we've come!

(I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
10.11. Haha)



On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:

> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>
> > Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
> > 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
> > 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> >
> > > On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> > bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> > >> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
> > used
> > >> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> > >> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
> > the
> > >> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> > >
> > > Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> > version
> > > until version 2.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[David Froom]

Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of the 
generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of raised 
rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them that when 
I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one could still 
find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of music scribes, 
all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts for shows, bands, 
commercials, and the few composers who were getting big orchestral 
performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the finished 
scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus (which 
became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper and 
pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, ink, 
special rulers). 

Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and pre 
smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent graphic), 
and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only because fixing 
mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get something that 
actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around the mid 1990s that 
Finale became faster than doing it by hand.

David Froom
 
> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
 Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
 Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
 knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
 always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Ryan]

MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
that all the way up until 1996!

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:

> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>
> > On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> >> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
> used
> >> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> >> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
> the
> >> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> >
> > Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> version
> > until version 2.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale 2.x for 
my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now 80% Finale, 
20% Sibelius.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz  
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used
>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the
>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> 
> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows version
> until version 2.
> 
> Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.

Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows version
until version 2.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Chuck Israels]

Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used 
Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose knowledge 
of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the always 
reliable Christopher Smith.

Chuck


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne 
>  wrote:
> 
> How long have you been a Finale user? 1993? Wow…
> impressive.
> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz 
>> :
>> 
>> Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.
>> 
>> Dennis
>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

How long have you been a Finale user? 1993? Wow…
impressive.

> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz :
> 
> Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

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Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 13, 2016 11:32 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
> F14.5 opens any legacy file, including Fin09. How well the conversion works
> may depending on saves in intermediate versions, but short of possible
> Adobe PS Type 1 font encoding issues, I don't imagine Johannes will see any
> significant issues upgrading a F09 file.

I just loaded up a Finale 97 file to test. No problems at all. Fonts & such
needed updating (no more Tms Rmn or Helv), but the conversion didn't lose
anything.

Now off to find some Finale 2.2 files to test... :)

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

F14.5 opens any legacy file, including Fin09. How well the conversion works
may depending on saves in intermediate versions, but short of possible
Adobe PS Type 1 font encoding issues, I don't imagine Johannes will see any
significant issues upgrading a F09 file.

What you may be thinking of is that Fin14+ can *export* a legacy F12 file.
It cannot export a legacy file for any version before F12.


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:

> To my knowledge, F2014 opens F2012-files directly and without hesitation…
>
>
> > Am 13.07.2016 um 17:11 schrieb Dick Hauser :
> >
> > I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my
> understanding that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12
> version database structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t
> open an F09 file directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to
> open and save from F2012 which will make it available to later versions
> like F14.5.  Is that true?
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer <
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> >>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
> >>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that
> way. It
> >>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
> >>
> >> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware
> of?
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

To my knowledge, F2014 opens F2012-files directly and without hesitation…


> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:11 schrieb Dick Hauser :
> 
> I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my understanding 
> that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12 version database 
> structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t open an F09 file 
> directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to open and save from 
> F2012 which will make it available to later versions like F14.5.  Is that 
> true?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
>>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
>>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
>>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
>> 
>> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?
>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dick Hauser]

I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my understanding 
that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12 version database 
structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t open an F09 file 
directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to open and save from 
F2012 which will make it available to later versions like F14.5.  Is that true?


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer  
> wrote:
> 
> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
> 
> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I know Fin12 has issues with playback and some of the dialog boxes crash in
10.11. I have no experience with Fin09. Fin08 crashes on startup, which is
why I need my virtual.

At some point Apple will make 64-bit mandatory by dropping 32-bit runtime
support. That day may be coming sooner than later. I haven't found any
sources that say exactly when it will be, but for example the iOS store has
been requiring new apps to include 64-bit support for over a year. If Apple
does drop 32-bit runtime in macOS, Fin09 will not run.


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 6:57 AM, Bill Baker 
wrote:

>
> On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer ([1]
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com)
>  wrote:
>
> I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
> (2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I
> will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by
> itself...)
>
> Thanks,
> Johannes
>
>Just putting my 2 cents in here, I have not upgraded since 2001, and if
> I
>upgrade I am definitely going to wait for the 64-bit version.  I just
> hope
>upgrading will solve my problem of needing to have the CD handy every
> single
>time I want to run the program.
>
> References
>
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Bill Baker]

On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer ([1]li...@musikmanufaktur.com)
 wrote:

I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
(2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I
will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by
itself...)

Thanks,
Johannes

   Just putting my 2 cents in here, I have not upgraded since 2001, and if I
   upgrade I am definitely going to wait for the 64-bit version.  I just hope
   upgrading will solve my problem of needing to have the CD handy every single
   time I want to run the program.

References

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.

2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I don't know if Makemusic has announced whether the 64-bit version will be
a paid upgrade. I would not be surprised if it were, however.

I don't think you'll encounter any significant issues upgrading Fin09
files. The one caution I would mention is if you use any Adobe PS Type 1
fonts. If so, you may want to find OpenType equivalents (or make your own
with something like TypeTool.)

Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.


On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> Supposed to be available in the Fall.
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Johannes Gebauer <
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com> wrote:
>
> > Am 12.07.16 um 20:04 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> > > I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at
> > the
> > > moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit
> version
> > > before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated
> Mac
> > OS.
> > >
> >
> > Does this mean the 64Bit version will be a paid for upgrade? Otherwise I
> > cannot really see why I should wait. I am running the most recent
> > version of MacOS on the newest MacBook pro, so speed shouldn't be a
> > issue right now.
> >
> > Is the next version of Finale around the corner? In that case I may well
> > wait. Although today I got really tired of the outdated user experience
> > with Finale, and the really awful look of the non-retina compatible
> > screen drawing.
> >
> > The smart shape improvements look really good. So do some others,
> > although I would have to redo my default files, I guess, which I haven't
> > got time for right now.
> >
> > How is compatibility with older files?
> >
> > Thanks for all the advice!
> > Johannes
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Ryan]

Supposed to be available in the Fall.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Johannes Gebauer <
li...@musikmanufaktur.com> wrote:

> Am 12.07.16 um 20:04 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> > I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at
> the
> > moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit version
> > before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated Mac
> OS.
> >
>
> Does this mean the 64Bit version will be a paid for upgrade? Otherwise I
> cannot really see why I should wait. I am running the most recent
> version of MacOS on the newest MacBook pro, so speed shouldn't be a
> issue right now.
>
> Is the next version of Finale around the corner? In that case I may well
> wait. Although today I got really tired of the outdated user experience
> with Finale, and the really awful look of the non-retina compatible
> screen drawing.
>
> The smart shape improvements look really good. So do some others,
> although I would have to redo my default files, I guess, which I haven't
> got time for right now.
>
> How is compatibility with older files?
>
> Thanks for all the advice!
> Johannes
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 12.07.16 um 20:04 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at the
> moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit version
> before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated Mac OS.
>

Does this mean the 64Bit version will be a paid for upgrade? Otherwise I 
cannot really see why I should wait. I am running the most recent 
version of MacOS on the newest MacBook pro, so speed shouldn't be a 
issue right now.

Is the next version of Finale around the corner? In that case I may well 
wait. Although today I got really tired of the outdated user experience 
with Finale, and the really awful look of the non-retina compatible 
screen drawing.

The smart shape improvements look really good. So do some others, 
although I would have to redo my default files, I guess, which I haven't 
got time for right now.

How is compatibility with older files?

Thanks for all the advice!
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

Linked parts were available in Fin09 but there have been big improvements
since then. You can now unlink special tools edits like beams, note
spacing, etc. I also really like the beat-attached smart shapes that
replaced measure-attached. They allow for unlinked editing of (for example)
hairpin dynamic marks.

Unicode font support might be important to you as well.

Another big change is in optimization and staff groups. This is a big deal
as well. The process is (for the most part) greatly improved. You will run
into issues if you need to completely change the groups on a per-system
basis. It can be done, but it's not as easy as before. (I wrote a plugin to
help with this, btw, and I think Jari has one too.) The tradeoff is you
never have to worry about losing staves on a system. If there is music in a
staff, it can't be hidden without force-hiding it. And groups are tied to
measure ranges rather than systems.

I'm sure there are other improvements, but I can't call them to mind at the
moment. Having said that, I think you should wait for the 64-bit version
before you upgrade, unless you absolutely have to run on an outdated Mac OS.



On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Darcy James Argue 
wrote:

> Linked parts is the big one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> – DJA
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>
> On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer (
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com) wrote:
>
> I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
> (2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I
> will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by
> itself...)
>
> Thanks,
> Johannes
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

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Linked parts is the big one.

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On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer (li...@musikmanufaktur.com) 
wrote:

I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale  
(2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I  
will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by  
itself...)  

Thanks,  
Johannes  
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Re: [Finale] To upgrade or not

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I am in basic agreement with Eric and I am hopefully optimistic that  
the maintenance update (on which MM is working) should make some  
things work more smoothly.  Whether or no the linked parts will save  
you time depends on the kind of music you write, and how much editing  
occurs after the parts have been created.


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On Nov 30, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Craig Sylvern wrote:


My apologies if this has been covered recently.

I am currently using Finale 2006.  I usually upgrade Finale every  
two years
or so, but some of the new features in Finale 2007, especially the  
linked

parts, are very compelling.

Is 2007 different enough to warrant spending another $100 to  
upgrade???


thanks,
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Re: [Finale] To upgrade or not

[Eric Dannewitz]

Yes. The linked parts are very good. They require a little bit of 
learning, but it saves a ton of time than extracting parts.


Craig Sylvern wrote:

My apologies if this has been covered recently.

I am currently using Finale 2006.  I usually upgrade Finale every two years
or so, but some of the new features in Finale 2007, especially the linked
parts, are very compelling.

Is 2007 different enough to warrant spending another $100 to upgrade???

thanks,
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