RE: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
1. Fuse -- From what I have gathered, this is great for big projects, but not so much for the small things. But not really big projects, or projects that already have a lot of overhead in the CPU already. I have found the performance of Fuse to be less than satisfactory in stressful situations. This is my personal experience only. Open up a .swf that uses Fuse with a .swf decompiler and you'll see how much extra code you're adding to your projects. Using the Fuse classes, (unless you selectively import only the ones you need - if you are savy enough to figure that out), will add 30k to your Flash file and almost 4,000 lines of code. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
Jason, as this is your second direct rebuff of the Fuse Kit, it seems you may have other reasons for not promoting it. Is it out of the scope of this list to wonder why? 30k? I understand the problem if you're engineering web based apps, not including overextended RAI's which are much different. it seems one Man's performance is another's, well - performance. 30k is large but not so unreasonable for smooth animation which brings web environments closer to real life, aka video, aka motion graphics, aka sales. On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: 1. Fuse -- From what I have gathered, this is great for big projects, but not so much for the small things. But not really big projects, or projects that already have a lot of overhead in the CPU already. I have found the performance of Fuse to be less than satisfactory in stressful situations. This is my personal experience only. Open up a .swf that uses Fuse with a .swf decompiler and you'll see how much extra code you're adding to your projects. Using the Fuse classes, (unless you selectively import only the ones you need - if you are savy enough to figure that out), will add 30k to your Flash file and almost 4,000 lines of code. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
Ryan, calm down dude. He asked the question, So, out of all the above mentioned classes/scripts, what is best? - he then summarized what he had learned about the Fuse kit from the thread, and I felt he was missing an important thing I had said about the Fuse kit's size and performance. Why do you have a problem with me answering his question? This list is here to help people. If you think I have said something technically incorrect, then fine, tell me, correct me - please. But don't harp on me for trying to help someone by answering their question. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
Oh, sorry! I did not mean to talk out of term. Only wanted to know if there was another reason for your dismissal. Ryan --- Strange Attractors Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.strangeattractors.com --- On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Ryan, calm down dude. He asked the question, So, out of all the above mentioned classes/scripts, what is best? - he then summarized what he had learned about the Fuse kit from the thread, and I felt he was missing an important thing I had said about the Fuse kit's size and performance. Why do you have a problem with me answering his question? This list is here to help people. If you think I have said something technically incorrect, then fine, tell me, correct me - please. But don't harp on me for trying to help someone by answering their question. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
Oh, sorry! I did not mean to talk out of term. Only wanted to know if there was another reason for your dismissal. Uh, no - just what I said. What in the world could you possibly be talking about? Like I am making my own competing classes or something 30k is large but not so unreasonable for smooth animation which brings web environments closer to real life, aka video, aka motion graphics, aka sales. What does the Fuse kit does to animation that is smoother and closer to real life than what you can already do with the Adobe-supplied tween, easing, and transition classes? I'm curious. Perhaps there is something, I dunno. I NEVER said the Fuse kit was all bad, it's pretty cool - mostly. There are just some things to be wary of when using it, that's all. Sure, I've become disenchanted with it, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good choice for other kinds of projects. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
Jason I can see that you I may stand at opposite sides of the Flash developer( user) experience. I really was only wondering if you utilized other classes/methods for animation, nothing more or less. I'm also fearful of lists that disregard comments from active developers. On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:43 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Oh, sorry! I did not mean to talk out of term. Only wanted to know if there was another reason for your dismissal. Uh, no - just what I said. What in the world could you possibly be talking about? Like I am making my own competing classes or something 30k is large but not so unreasonable for smooth animation which brings web environments closer to real life, aka video, aka motion graphics, aka sales. What does the Fuse kit does to animation that is smoother and closer to real life than what you can already do with the Adobe-supplied tween, easing, and transition classes? I'm curious. Perhaps there is something, I dunno. I NEVER said the Fuse kit was all bad, it's pretty cool - mostly. There are just some things to be wary of when using it, that's all. Sure, I've become disenchanted with it, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good choice for other kinds of projects. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
I'm also fearful of lists that disregard comments from active developers. Is Jason now 'the list'? Is it a fearful thing to be able to openly express a disregard for some product. Nay, I say nay! Ryan, how about you? Are you on FuseKit's payroll? Well, I know that's a silly question, but it's a valid point. -Scott On 12/15/06, Ryan Pescatore Frisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason I can see that you I may stand at opposite sides of the Flash developer( user) experience. I really was only wondering if you utilized other classes/methods for animation, nothing more or less. I'm also fearful of lists that disregard comments from active developers. On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:43 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Oh, sorry! I did not mean to talk out of term. Only wanted to know if there was another reason for your dismissal. Uh, no - just what I said. What in the world could you possibly be talking about? Like I am making my own competing classes or something 30k is large but not so unreasonable for smooth animation which brings web environments closer to real life, aka video, aka motion graphics, aka sales. What does the Fuse kit does to animation that is smoother and closer to real life than what you can already do with the Adobe-supplied tween, easing, and transition classes? I'm curious. Perhaps there is something, I dunno. I NEVER said the Fuse kit was all bad, it's pretty cool - mostly. There are just some things to be wary of when using it, that's all. Sure, I've become disenchanted with it, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good choice for other kinds of projects. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- : : ) Scott ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
Very nice. After 5 minutes messing with it, I like mctween too... :) On 12/14/06, shang liang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love mc_tween! http://hosted.zeh.com.br/mctween/ -- /* Bored, sometimes. */ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- count_schemula ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
anyone get mc_tween to work in their classes yet? On 12/15/06, Count Schemula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice. After 5 minutes messing with it, I like mctween too... :) On 12/14/06, shang liang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love mc_tween! http://hosted.zeh.com.br/mctween/ -- /* Bored, sometimes. */ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- count_schemula ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
But not really big projects, or projects that already have a lot of overhead in the CPU already. I have found the performance of Fuse to be less than satisfactory in stressful situations. This is my personal experience only. Confirmed. I'm experiencing the same situation. I see my cpu (Athlon 64,3GHz) utilization often rises up to above 80% when I play with a Fuse-based animation - even a simple one like a mousetrail. Glad to know that my machine is not the only one that suffers from Fuse. -- Anggie Bratadinata www.masputih.com I N D O N E S I A Merrill, Jason wrote: 1. Fuse -- From what I have gathered, this is great for big projects, but not so much for the small things. But not really big projects, or projects that already have a lot of overhead in the CPU already. I have found the performance of Fuse to be less than satisfactory in stressful situations. This is my personal experience only. Open up a .swf that uses Fuse with a .swf decompiler and you'll see how much extra code you're adding to your projects. Using the Fuse classes, (unless you selectively import only the ones you need - if you are savy enough to figure that out), will add 30k to your Flash file and almost 4,000 lines of code. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
I second this testament. I have been using the Fuse Kit for a bit am very happy with it. Just to chime in, the Fuse kit is HUGE. I would recommend against it in some situations where performance is a factor. If it doesn't effect performance, it's a great set of classes. Just be sure to test test test. I ripped it out of a project because it brought my RIA to a crawl. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
I've yet to use Fusekit (only used MX tras / tween) and have been quite happy with performance / usability. I realize that Fusekit's API is far more sexy and desireable, but so far haven't seen them do anything that I can't accomodate myself. Such as a Sequence, Parallel, etc. AS3 will also encapsulate most of this functionality in a very handy manner. Not sure about the size / performance ratio, but it's seemed fine to me, from what I've used so far. -Scott On 12/14/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second this testament. I have been using the Fuse Kit for a bit am very happy with it. Just to chime in, the Fuse kit is HUGE. I would recommend against it in some situations where performance is a factor. If it doesn't effect performance, it's a great set of classes. Just be sure to test test test. I ripped it out of a project because it brought my RIA to a crawl. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- : : ) Scott ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
I generally use this tool for Tween dev: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mc/archives/2006/04/transition_and.cfm http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mc/archives/TransitionExplorer.zip -Scott On 12/14/06, slangeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've yet to use Fusekit (only used MX tras / tween) and have been quite happy with performance / usability. I realize that Fusekit's API is far more sexy and desireable, but so far haven't seen them do anything that I can't accomodate myself. Such as a Sequence, Parallel, etc. AS3 will also encapsulate most of this functionality in a very handy manner. Not sure about the size / performance ratio, but it's seemed fine to me, from what I've used so far. -Scott On 12/14/06, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second this testament. I have been using the Fuse Kit for a bit am very happy with it. Just to chime in, the Fuse kit is HUGE. I would recommend against it in some situations where performance is a factor. If it doesn't effect performance, it's a great set of classes. Just be sure to test test test. I ripped it out of a project because it brought my RIA to a crawl. Jason Merrill Bank of America Learning Organizational Effectiveness ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- : : ) Scott -- : : ) Scott ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
I love mc_tween! http://hosted.zeh.com.br/mctween/ -- /* Bored, sometimes. */ ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
Micky Hulse wrote: Anyone know of a similar site that lets you test different variations of the transition classes? Thanks for all the replies all, I really appreciate the advice and links. :) And yes, Fuse looks very cool. Found this vid tut site a while back that does a good job at showing some basics: *Animating with Fuse* http://www.gotoandlearn.com/ But a lot of my projects are very simple (banners, adverts, simple animations)... I find that mx.transitions does the trick (or Tween Extended, see below)... although, if I am ever in a situation where Fuse is the better option, I will most definitely use it (seems like it would be over-kill for the basic stuff.) :) And thanks for the links to the other options... those look nice too. Going to read-up on them now (Transition and tween explorer, and MC Tween.) :D What do you all think about Tween Extended? (Found under AS2 classes) http://www.sqcircle.com/downloads/ Seems like a great way to animate multiple properties at once. I am using it my current project and it seems to work great. So, out of all the above mentioned classes/scripts, what is best? 1. Fuse -- From what I have gathered, this is great for big projects, but not so much for the small things. 2. Transition and tween explorer -- ? 3. MC Tween -- ? 4. Tween Extended -- ? Out of the last 3, which is the better choice? I like the fact that Tween Extended allows for multiple properties on one line... Seems like a must-have feature. Which is the most light-weight? Which is coded better (which would probably mean more light-weight and smaller in file size)? Of course, it sounds like all of this will change with AS3. I can not wait to make the upgrade. :P Many thanks all, I hope your December is going well. :) Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
here is a basic one: http://www.ericd.net/blog_images/transitions.html On 12/13/06, Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, A few weeks back I found a site that had all the different mx.transition classes setup for showing examples of each... it was a pretty basic Flash site... does this ring a bell for anyone? Anyone know of a similar site that lets you test different variations of the transition classes? Many TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] MX transitions: Website that shows examples?
eric dolecki wrote: here is a basic one: http://www.ericd.net/blog_images/transitions.html Perfect! That is the one. If it is not too much trouble, feel free to send other example sites. :) Thanks Eric! I appreciate the help. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
