Re: [flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note!
I have met John Bennett and have found him to be very friendly and helpful. I personally know that he has gained the respect of at least a few successful J2EE authors in my community. I also know he is a very busy person who is constantly traveling to meet with customers around the country in addition to working closely with his colleagues. The only thing that I can possibly even begin to imagine that would be the source of your malcontent may be culturally related. John is from the east coast and the culture of the east coast leans toward being short and to the point. I know this cultural mannerism can sometimes be frustrating for people who haven't spent time on the east coast. However, busy people working in the commercial market throughout the US can be short when communicating. As a busy person, I appreciate working with people who understand what I am saying before I finish my sentence and can respond succinctly. I have found that even when John was quick and to the point, he was not short with me and he still was very courteous. My feedback is just one persons point of view and I know that since I was not present in the meeting that I cannot necessarily say exactly what happened, but I hope this may help bring some perspective to the situation. More importantly, I hope this feedback can be helpful to those on the list who work with a wide variety of people on a daily basis. Sincerely, Marc --- Johannes Nel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have worked with brian o'conner and several other adobe consulting developers (and some are still here) for a very large company. i have always found them extremely helpful, more than that, exceptionally helpful and open to new concepts. i think the way you have reacted is not only over the top but is extremely unprofessional. for all we know your code could have been horrible or great, you could have accidentally said i am using viewhelper value objects. furthermore the review took place over breeze, hence you have no idea how it sounded on the other side. you should have kept this internal imo. jpn. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note!
Guys, I think everyone is pretty clear on this situation here, and the community is almost unanimous in recognising that this thread was inappropriate discussion. It's not on the topic of flexcoders, so can I please ask people that we move on from this thread and return to flexcoding. Best wishes, Steven -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Archuleta Sent: 19 April 2006 05:45 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note! I have met John Bennett and have found him to be very friendly and helpful. I personally know that he has gained the respect of at least a few successful J2EE authors in my community. I also know he is a very busy person who is constantly traveling to meet with customers around the country in addition to working closely with his colleagues. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note!
Whomever you are, I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with a couple of Adobe employees. But, this is not a forum for venting, ranting or airing your dirty laundry. I don't discount that you probably have just cause to complain, but I'm pretty sure that Adobe has a customer service department. You might have gotten a hold of a couple of bad apples, or as is usually the case, there are two sides to every story. To attack everyone at Adobe is just childish. I personally have had nothing but positive results when dealing with the people at Macromedia/Adobe. Most there seem to be positive, helpful and Open. I am not affiliated with Adobe in any regard. But in the future, please limit the scope of your comments to programming questions that can be effectively addressed and that might also help the group. Thank You, Tim Hoff --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, t_msreddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to share this aweful story to this group. Over months we have been trying to get a Flex expert from Adobe to do a code review of our application as a part of our partnership building process. They agreed to do it in person and finally on the day, they sent out an email saying they cannot come and will do this over breeze presentation. This was not ok for us but we had no other option and we oked it. BTW the guys were Brian O'Connor, Adobe Consulting, John Bennet, Architect. Finally during the presentation, we went through the agenda for the meeting and basically we wanted to get some useful tips for the problem we were having in flex app and things that we could not implement. Over the presentation, they were treating themselves as gods and us as no good developers. And at times it went like OK we got it, next... next, I was very offended while driving the presentation. At one point I was showing them a slide with cairngorm and i said we are using viewhelpers and value objects and .., one of the guys said quickly viewhelpers are not values objects. They were very disrespectful all over the meeting. Also he mentioned that Cairngorm is not the bible. So he thinks we dont know this? I mean this is total lack of professionalism by Adobe guys. They should treat the flex developer community with respect and show some sensitivity when they talk to people and treat them as experts rather than dont-know-even-this-guys. On top of that they did not give one single useful tip for us. They were blabbering like inexperienced developers. All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note this aweful story -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note!
Sir, while I would certainly relish perpetuating a debate on this issue. I don't see any benefit to such a discourse at this time. However, I'm now wondering less why you had such a big problem in the first place. - Tim Hoff --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, t_msreddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HO HO HO Here come the Adobe Chauvinist! This is not dirty laundry Tim. I am not using this a platform for airing my personal stuff. Sorry if you felt so. This is my personal experience related to Flex project. So I thought there is nothing wrong in expressing my views. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tim Hoff TimHoff@ wrote: Whomever you are, I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with a couple of Adobe employees. But, this is not a forum for venting, ranting or airing your dirty laundry. I don't discount that you probably have just cause to complain, but I'm pretty sure that Adobe has a customer service department. You might have gotten a hold of a couple of bad apples, or as is usually the case, there are two sides to every story. To attack everyone at Adobe is just childish. I personally have had nothing but positive results when dealing with the people at Macromedia/Adobe. Most there seem to be positive, helpful and Open. I am not affiliated with Adobe in any regard. But in the future, please limit the scope of your comments to programming questions that can be effectively addressed and that might also help the group. Thank You, Tim Hoff -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note!
On 4/17/06, t_msreddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HO HO HO Here come the Adobe Chauvinist! This is not dirty laundry Tim. I am not using this a platform for airing my personal stuff. Sorry if you felt so. This is my personal experience related to Flex project. So I thought there is nothing wrong in expressing my views. All due respect, but you posted this while completely hiding behind your e-mail address. If you're so adamant about your experience and want to make a public statement about the quality of Adobe Consulting, I think you'd receive a bit more respect (even if they vehmently disagree) if you were to provide your name. You saw fit to put the engineers' names into the public domain, so why are you hiding behind t_msreddy? I have no experience with Adobe Consulting; they really could stink for all I know. But I can't really seriously consider anything you wrote when t_msreddy is all anybody knows about the source of the accusations. Regards, Dave. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note!
Dave That funny because the mailing system is hiding my email and this is not my personal effort. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I am Madhu if that is what you are interested in. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/17/06, t_msreddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HO HO HO Here come the Adobe Chauvinist! This is not dirty laundry Tim. I am not using this a platform for airing my personal stuff. Sorry if you felt so. This is my personal experience related to Flex project. So I thought there is nothing wrong in expressing my views. All due respect, but you posted this while completely hiding behind your e-mail address. If you're so adamant about your experience and want to make a public statement about the quality of Adobe Consulting, I think you'd receive a bit more respect (even if they vehmently disagree) if you were to provide your name. You saw fit to put the engineers' names into the public domain, so why are you hiding behind t_msreddy? I have no experience with Adobe Consulting; they really could stink for all I know. But I can't really seriously consider anything you wrote when t_msreddy is all anybody knows about the source of the accusations. Regards, Dave. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note!
i have worked with brian o'conner and several other adobe consulting developers (and some are still here) for a very large company. i have always found them extremely helpful, more than that, exceptionally helpful and open to new concepts. i think the way you have reacted is not only over the top but is extremely unprofessional. for all we know your code could have been horrible or great, you could have accidentally said i am using viewhelper value objects. furthermore the review took place over breeze, hence you have no idea how it sounded on the other side. you should have kept this internal imo. jpn. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: All the bunch of idiots at Adobe, please note!
I am not the admin of the Flexcoders list (although I believe he has spoken and asked us to be civil.) I think we should all respect his wishes, and instead of continuing this thread, take it offlist where it belongs. T_msready, in the interests of resolving this, please speak privately to Adobe. This thread brings no benefit to the rest of the list. Others have commented on the lack of professionalism of this thread... I will let them speak for me. Judith Dinowitz - Original Message - i have worked with brian o'conner and several other adobe consulting developers (and some are still here) for a very large company. i have always found them extremely helpful, more than that, exceptionally helpful and open to new concepts. i think the way you have reacted is not only over the top but is extremely unprofessional. for all we know your code could have been horrible or great, you could have accidentally said "i am using viewhelper value objects". furthermore the review took place over breeze, hence you have no idea how it sounded on the other side. you should have kept this internal imo. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
