Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
On Friday 05 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom. It's of course still early, but generally, that's right, I think the contract between the designer and developer can be 90% captured as 'I need elements of these types with these ids, and other than that go to town.' Rar, that's going to work well then, cheers. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to apprehensively coordinate integrated channels on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
On Friday 05 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that Thermo would not corrupt any code from the file that it is working on because we want designers and developers to be able to work on the same files. I was going to see how it worked if the 'real' component in the Flex project extended the code from Thermo. The designer can do his own thing, and as long as the id's of components don't change it might work really well. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to assertively grow high-end interfaces on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
Hi Tom. It's of course still early, but generally, that's right, I think the contract between the designer and developer can be 90% captured as 'I need elements of these types with these ids, and other than that go to town.' (See my MAX talk for a concrete example :). Ely. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm On Friday 05 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that Thermo would not corrupt any code from the file that it is working on because we want designers and developers to be able to work on the same files. I was going to see how it worked if the 'real' component in the Flex project extended the code from Thermo. The designer can do his own thing, and as long as the id's of components don't change it might work really well. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to assertively grow high-end interfaces on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
- Original Message - From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Do any adobe folks know whether thermo will easily support the cairngorm architecture? Ideally I would like to either replace (or ideally enhance) my view classes with thermo and keep all by business and communications logic exactly the same as it is now. Will this transition to Thermo workflow be supported? Hank From the videos, I would surmise that Thermo is a very nice screen design tool, but doesn't automatically include anything else besides basic interactions. You just need to add the other architectural layers (as per cairngorm) yourself. It really doesn't seem to affect business and communications logic at all. I'm not sure what transition is required. It replaces aspects of the current flexbuilder design view and includes extra functionality and intelligent importation of graphical elements. Paul
RE: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
I was there for the Thermo demo (which was awesome), and they basically said Thermo is for designing Flex apps and jump-starting the basic interactivity between components - it's not going to be targeted at doing the full-blown architecture/business logic/coding of am MXML app. You can have a designer work with Thermo, while the developer works with Flex. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Andrews Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm - Original Message - From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:hank777%40gmail.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Do any adobe folks know whether thermo will easily support the cairngorm architecture? Ideally I would like to either replace (or ideally enhance) my view classes with thermo and keep all by business and communications logic exactly the same as it is now. Will this transition to Thermo workflow be supported? Hank From the videos, I would surmise that Thermo is a very nice screen design tool, but doesn't automatically include anything else besides basic interactions. You just need to add the other architectural layers (as per cairngorm) yourself. It really doesn't seem to affect business and communications logic at all. I'm not sure what transition is required. It replaces aspects of the current flexbuilder design view and includes extra functionality and intelligent importation of graphical elements. Paul
Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
Hmmm... Thanks Jason, but I am not sure you quite got the gist of my question. Perhaps I was unclear. I was under no illusion that one would be creating business logic in Thermo. My question is whether the workflow between caringorm delegates, commands, etc and the Thermo UI code will be easily maintained separately. Will we be able to embed cairngorm commands and model access in the UI stuff that is generated by Thermo. Will the round-tripping work. Does the conceived work flow target the cairngorm developer along side the designer in a smooth way. Hank On 10/4/07, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was there for the Thermo demo (which was awesome), and they basically said Thermo is for designing Flex apps and jump-starting the basic interactivity between components - it's not going to be targeted at doing the full-blown architecture/business logic/coding of am MXML app. You can have a designer work with Thermo, while the developer works with Flex. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Paul Andrews *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm - Original Message - From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] hank777%40gmail.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Do any adobe folks know whether thermo will easily support the cairngorm architecture? Ideally I would like to either replace (or ideally enhance) my view classes with thermo and keep all by business and communications logic exactly the same as it is now. Will this transition to Thermo workflow be supported? Hank From the videos, I would surmise that Thermo is a very nice screen design tool, but doesn't automatically include anything else besides basic interactions. You just need to add the other architectural layers (as per cairngorm) yourself. It really doesn't seem to affect business and communications logic at all. I'm not sure what transition is required. It replaces aspects of the current flexbuilder design view and includes extra functionality and intelligent importation of graphical elements. Paul
Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
Yeah, thats why my initial post said Do any adobe folks know whether... :) Hank On 10/4/07, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone knows the answer to that yet (at least from the Max demo) - except Adobe people and a few Adobe insiders. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:58 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Hmmm... Thanks Jason, but I am not sure you quite got the gist of my question. Perhaps I was unclear. I was under no illusion that one would be creating business logic in Thermo. My question is whether the workflow between caringorm delegates, commands, etc and the Thermo UI code will be easily maintained separately. Will we be able to embed cairngorm commands and model access in the UI stuff that is generated by Thermo. Will the round-tripping work. Does the conceived work flow target the cairngorm developer along side the designer in a smooth way. Hank On 10/4/07, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was there for the Thermo demo (which was awesome), and they basically said Thermo is for designing Flex apps and jump-starting the basic interactivity between components - it's not going to be targeted at doing the full-blown architecture/business logic/coding of am MXML app. You can have a designer work with Thermo, while the developer works with Flex. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Paul Andrews *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm - Original Message - From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] hank777%40gmail.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Do any adobe folks know whether thermo will easily support the cairngorm architecture? Ideally I would like to either replace (or ideally enhance) my view classes with thermo and keep all by business and communications logic exactly the same as it is now. Will this transition to Thermo workflow be supported? Hank From the videos, I would surmise that Thermo is a very nice screen design tool, but doesn't automatically include anything else besides basic interactions. You just need to add the other architectural layers (as per cairngorm) yourself. It really doesn't seem to affect business and communications logic at all. I'm not sure what transition is required. It replaces aspects of the current flexbuilder design view and includes extra functionality and intelligent importation of graphical elements. Paul
RE: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
The idea is that Thermo would not corrupt any code from the file that it is working on because we want designers and developers to be able to work on the same files. But obviously as you get deeper into development it may be that a designer has to be a little more careful as they make modifications since there will now be dynamic code dependent on the UI. But we're very early here so as we build the product out we'll want to test these kinds of scenarios very carefully. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:13 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Yeah, thats why my initial post said Do any adobe folks know whether... :) Hank On 10/4/07, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone knows the answer to that yet (at least from the Max demo) - except Adobe people and a few Adobe insiders. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:58 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Hmmm... Thanks Jason, but I am not sure you quite got the gist of my question. Perhaps I was unclear. I was under no illusion that one would be creating business logic in Thermo. My question is whether the workflow between caringorm delegates, commands, etc and the Thermo UI code will be easily maintained separately. Will we be able to embed cairngorm commands and model access in the UI stuff that is generated by Thermo. Will the round-tripping work. Does the conceived work flow target the cairngorm developer along side the designer in a smooth way. Hank On 10/4/07, Merrill, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was there for the Thermo demo (which was awesome), and they basically said Thermo is for designing Flex apps and jump-starting the basic interactivity between components - it's not going to be targeted at doing the full-blown architecture/business logic/coding of am MXML app. You can have a designer work with Thermo, while the developer works with Flex. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@ mailto:flexcoders@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Andrews Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm - Original Message - From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:hank777%40gmail.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Do any adobe folks know whether thermo will easily support the cairngorm architecture? Ideally I would like to either replace (or ideally enhance) my view classes with thermo and keep all by business and communications logic exactly the same as it is now. Will this transition to Thermo workflow be supported? Hank From the videos, I would surmise that Thermo is a very nice screen design tool, but doesn't automatically include anything else besides basic interactions. You just need to add the other architectural layers (as per cairngorm) yourself. It really doesn't seem to affect business and communications logic at all. I'm not sure what transition is required. It replaces aspects of the current flexbuilder design view and includes extra functionality and intelligent importation of graphical elements. Paul
Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm
Thanks Matt, It is as I would have guessed. As long as you guys have it as a design goal you can for sure work it out. But I am sure you will find a fair number of gotchas. Hank On 10/4/07, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is that Thermo would not corrupt any code from the file that it is working on because we want designers and developers to be able to work on the same files. But obviously as you get deeper into development it may be that a designer has to be a little more careful as they make modifications since there will now be dynamic code dependent on the UI. But we're very early here so as we build the product out we'll want to test these kinds of scenarios very carefully. *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:13 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Yeah, thats why my initial post said Do any adobe folks know whether... :) Hank On 10/4/07, *Merrill, Jason* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone knows the answer to that yet (at least from the Max demo) - except Adobe people and a few Adobe insiders. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *hank williams *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:58 PM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Hmmm... Thanks Jason, but I am not sure you quite got the gist of my question. Perhaps I was unclear. I was under no illusion that one would be creating business logic in Thermo. My question is whether the workflow between caringorm delegates, commands, etc and the Thermo UI code will be easily maintained separately. Will we be able to embed cairngorm commands and model access in the UI stuff that is generated by Thermo. Will the round-tripping work. Does the conceived work flow target the cairngorm developer along side the designer in a smooth way. Hank On 10/4/07, *Merrill, Jason* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was there for the Thermo demo (which was awesome), and they basically said Thermo is for designing Flex apps and jump-starting the basic interactivity between components - it's not going to be targeted at doing the full-blown architecture/business logic/coding of am MXML app. You can have a designer work with Thermo, while the developer works with Flex. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team -- *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Paul Andrews *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 AM *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm - Original Message - From: hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] hank777%40gmail.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Thermo Cairngorm Do any adobe folks know whether thermo will easily support the cairngorm architecture? Ideally I would like to either replace (or ideally enhance) my view classes with thermo and keep all by business and communications logic exactly the same as it is now. Will this transition to Thermo workflow be supported? Hank From the videos, I would surmise that Thermo is a very nice screen design tool, but doesn't automatically include anything else besides basic interactions. You just need to add the other architectural layers (as per cairngorm) yourself. It really doesn't seem to affect business and communications logic at all. I'm not sure what transition is required. It replaces aspects of the current flexbuilder design view and includes extra functionality and intelligent importation of graphical elements. Paul
