Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
Boris Koenig wrote: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:17:07 -0700, John wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A few details... Volunteers will get a package of software that contains the TNL libraries and a basic set of software to connect to the ATC net as a controller or pilot. Package will include ALL source code and make files for a Linux system. Sorry, I'm just not an MS type. However, it will build under Cygwin. ..GPL? Url? John isn't yet 'releasing' anything, rather he asks for people who would be willing to participate in some field tests. I'd be happy to help test it. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
On 4 Oct 2004, at 19:17, John Wojnaroski wrote: A few details... Volunteers will get a package of software that contains the TNL libraries and a basic set of software to connect to the ATC net as a controller or pilot. Package will include ALL source code and make files for a Linux system. Sorry, I'm just not an MS type. However, it will build under Cygwin. I'm happy to test, and probably even get the code building on OS-X, since it should be very close to working already. HH James ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
James Turner wrote: On 4 Oct 2004, at 19:17, John Wojnaroski wrote: A few details... Volunteers will get a package of software that contains the TNL libraries and a basic set of software to connect to the ATC net as a controller or pilot. Package will include ALL source code and make files for a Linux system. Sorry, I'm just not an MS type. However, it will build under Cygwin. I'm happy to test, and probably even get the code building on OS-X, since it should be very close to working already. That would be really nice, actually I offered yesterday to make it compile under Win32 - but I didn't have MSVC in mind, but rather I was thinking of using MingW32 (Dev C++) - I am not sure how many people are actually using it here, so if there's anybody here who could assist making it compile natively under MS VC it would be appreciated. John told me yesterday he would be about to downstrip the package, so all volunteers who can help make it compile on a different platform should inform him, so that the makefiles/sources can be modified accordingly. -- Boris ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
- Original Message - From: Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test I'd be happy to help test it. Okay, let's tentatively plan for this weekend, it should be a fairly quick test. A master node will be available from 0900GMT to 1200GMT on 9 OCT 2004 at 216.86.210.202:29002. To run the master node requires a static IP and a broadband (DSL or higher) connection. If anyone would like to run as a master node we'll need info as to the IP address and a time slot when the master will be active. ATM there is no capability to share/exchange data between master server nodes. Again, I want to emphasize, this is a very rudimentary test using the TNL libraries and protocols. One of the objectives is to just see if it will work over long-haul networks. Realize some prefer not to reveal their private email address, so it probably makes sense to just upload the files to the SF site Boris established. Best guess, is check the site Wednesday and that will allow a few days to build and play with it. You can run an internal test using 127.0.0.1:29002 on a single machine or on a LAN. Regards JohnW ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
DevC++ has some problems; last time I tried, you couldn't build FGFS on it because of the number of files in the final link; (it can't process the command line - too long). Giles Robertson -Original Message- From: Boris Koenig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2004 13:30 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test James Turner wrote: On 4 Oct 2004, at 19:17, John Wojnaroski wrote: A few details... Volunteers will get a package of software that contains the TNL libraries and a basic set of software to connect to the ATC net as a controller or pilot. Package will include ALL source code and make files for a Linux system. Sorry, I'm just not an MS type. However, it will build under Cygwin. I'm happy to test, and probably even get the code building on OS-X, since it should be very close to working already. That would be really nice, actually I offered yesterday to make it compile under Win32 - but I didn't have MSVC in mind, but rather I was thinking of using MingW32 (Dev C++) - I am not sure how many people are actually using it here, so if there's anybody here who could assist making it compile natively under MS VC it would be appreciated. John told me yesterday he would be about to downstrip the package, so all volunteers who can help make it compile on a different platform should inform him, so that the makefiles/sources can be modified accordingly. -- Boris ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
A quick disclaimer ;-) I'm no make wizard. It's basically a clone. In particular you will have to manually install the TNL headers files. Either in /usr/include/tnl and usr/include/tnl/encrypt or location of your choice and modify the Makefile files accordingly. Regards John W. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:44:22 -0700, John wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test I'd be happy to help test it. Okay, let's tentatively plan for this weekend, it should be a fairly quick test. A master node will be available from 0900GMT to 1200GMT on 9 OCT 2004 at 216.86.210.202:29002. To run the master node requires a static IP and a broadband (DSL or ..before messing up sitewise throttling, I can set up a box with 200kbps out on its own ip, will that do? ..hardwarewise and stripped way down, what will the box need, except your new code and a _bare_ debian install? higher) connection. If anyone would like to run as a master node we'll need info as to the IP address and a time slot when the master will be active. ATM there is no capability to share/exchange data between master server nodes. Again, I want to emphasize, this is a very rudimentary test using the TNL libraries and protocols. One of the objectives is to just see if it will work over long-haul networks. Realize some prefer not to reveal their private email address, so it probably makes sense to just upload the files to the SF site Boris established. Best guess, is check the site Wednesday and that will allow a few days to build and play with it. You can run an internal test using 127.0.0.1:29002 on a single machine or on a LAN. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
Giles Robertson wrote: DevC++ has some problems; last time I tried, you couldn't build FGFS on it because of the number of files in the final link; (it can't process the command line - too long). yes, I see - but that would probably not be a problem when linking only a -compared to FG - relatively small application ? :-) This command line restriction is probably a windows-problem, and not related to MinW ... maybe it's worth to check out what's possible using GCC as a cross-compiler for Win32. -- Boris ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
John Wojnaroski wrote: To run the master node requires a static IP and a broadband (DSL or higher) connection. If anyone would like to run as a master node we'll need info as to the IP address and a time slot when the master will be active. If it compiles on Solaris, I'd be able to provide a server for that with enough bandwidth for several clients, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
Martin Spott wrote: John Wojnaroski wrote: To run the master node requires a static IP and a broadband (DSL or higher) connection. If anyone would like to run as a master node we'll need info as to the IP address and a time slot when the master will be active. If it compiles on Solaris, I'd be able to provide a server for that with enough bandwidth for several clients, Martin. Boris is editing the make files at this time to clean up some of my goofs. Once their uploaded give it a go. I'll post some notes on setting up. Good luck John W. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
A few details... Volunteers will get a package of software that contains the TNL libraries and a basic set of software to connect to the ATC net as a controller or pilot. Package will include ALL source code and make files for a Linux system. Sorry, I'm just not an MS type. However, it will build under Cygwin. Building will create two application programs --- controller and pilot During the time window for the test you can login to the master as a pilot or controller as in controller IP_address_TBS:port or pilot IP_address_TBS:port Both values to be provided at the time of the test... As a controller node, initially login will be ack'ed by the master and the node added to the master list. Loggin in as a pilot node (assuming a controller node is present) will receive a list of controller nodes from the master, at which point a controller node is selected from the list and a request is made to the master to arramge a connection with the selected controller. (NOTE: Current selection is random, scope criteria are TBS). Once the connection is accepted the controller and pilot exchange a string of secret data. After about 30-40 secs the connection will be broken by either node and a reconnect may or may not be attempted (Again a random event at this time to keep things somewhat dynamic and unpredictable) Test objectives are simple: 1) test network loading on the server 2) determine latencies issues 3) test robustness of master server and protocol for error recovery 4) identify/motivate interested participents as future developers and/or players 5) create a forum for ideas For example, it would be possible using FG with a view position from the tower to connect several flights from friends and observe their performance while doing circuits and act as the tower controller... Of course, that idea needs a bit more thought and probably a lot more development, but it is doable. Regards John W. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:17:07 -0700, John wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A few details... Volunteers will get a package of software that contains the TNL libraries and a basic set of software to connect to the ATC net as a controller or pilot. Package will include ALL source code and make files for a Linux system. Sorry, I'm just not an MS type. However, it will build under Cygwin. ..GPL? Url? Building will create two application programs --- controller and pilot During the time window for the test you can login to the master as a pilot or controller as in controller IP_address_TBS:port or pilot IP_address_TBS:port Both values to be provided at the time of the test... As a controller node, initially login will be ack'ed by the master and the node added to the master list. Loggin in as a pilot node (assuming a controller node is present) will receive a list of controller nodes from the master, at which point a controller node is selected from the list and a request is made to the master to arramge a connection with the selected controller. (NOTE: Current selection is random, scope criteria are TBS). Once the connection is accepted the controller and pilot exchange a string of secret data. After about 30-40 secs the connection will be broken by either node and a reconnect may or may not be attempted (Again a random event at this time to keep things somewhat dynamic and unpredictable) Test objectives are simple: 1) test network loading on the server 2) determine latencies issues 3) test robustness of master server and protocol for error recovery 4) identify/motivate interested participents as future developers and/or players 5) create a forum for ideas For example, it would be possible using FG with a view position from the tower to connect several flights from friends and observe their performance while doing circuits and act as the tower controller... Of course, that idea needs a bit more thought and probably a lot more development, but it is doable. Regards John W. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:17:07 -0700, John wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A few details... Volunteers will get a package of software that contains the TNL libraries and a basic set of software to connect to the ATC net as a controller or pilot. Package will include ALL source code and make files for a Linux system. Sorry, I'm just not an MS type. However, it will build under Cygwin. ..GPL? Url? John isn't yet 'releasing' anything, rather he asks for people who would be willing to participate in some field tests. John: I haven't yet had the time to get back to your other eMails, but concerning what you mentioned above, I would suggest to have me look into your makefiles or sources where necessary, so that we can adapt them accordingly - if I am not wrong, you shouldn't have made much use of anything unix/linux-specific so far, so at this stage of the process, it's certainly pretty straight-forward to make the configure/makefile scripts support windows/mac, too. Particularly because of opentnl's cross-platform nature. - Boris P.S.: I don't think it's necessary for me to mention that I would be glad 'to volunteer' :-) ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test
- Original Message - From: Boris Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC Network Test Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:17:07 -0700, John wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A few details... Volunteers will get a package of software that contains the TNL libraries and a basic set of software to connect to the ATC net as a controller or pilot. Package will include ALL source code and make files for a Linux system. Sorry, I'm just not an MS type. However, it will build under Cygwin. ..GPL? Url? it's GPL. I still have a little work to do to create a clean build and install as well as reducing the size by including only the essential library files. TNL did a great job of creating docs and sample programs, but they tend to bloat the package and create unnecessary build issues. John isn't yet 'releasing' anything, rather he asks for people who would be willing to participate in some field tests. Boris is correct, not so much a release as a head count, but I'll probably upload it to the ftp server at kingmont or I might just set up a machine locally that I plan to also use as the master Regards John W. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
