Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Saturday 08 May 2004 00:28, Curtis L. Olson wrote: For an upcoming newsletter article I am [hopefully] writing an introduction to modeling aircraft flight dynamics in YASim. For a subsequent issue of the newsletter I think I'd like to walk the reader through the process of creating a specific aircraft model in YASim. I have borrowed a POH for a Super King Air 200/200C which gives a *ton* of great information for modeling the aircraft's flight dynamics, so I think this would make a great candidate for this exercise. (It would be nice to have a few more turboprops in flightgear, and the king air is just a really cool design and would be good to have anyway.) So my question is this. Are there any 3D modelers out there who would be interested in participating in this exercise by creating a (or adapting an existing?) 3D model for the King Air 200 and animating/texturing it? I don't know if there is any 3d models from MSFS land we could get permission to use/adapt? I downloaded a MSFS King Air B200 by Chuck Dome and Mario Coelho. This appears in a text file in the package: I hereby declare this aircraft package to be in the Public Domain. Anyone may use it for any nonviolent purpose, including commerce, without permission. It should not harm your computer but, if you imagine it has, I accept no liability. So I guess that we are free to use that model. I tried to contact the authors, just to be on the safe side, but I haven't gotten any reply. I've started work on this model: http://home.tiscali.no/rvovesen/king_air_ext.jpg http://home.tiscali.no/rvovesen/king_air_cockpit.jpg -- Roy Vegard Ovesen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Saturday 08 May 2004 00:28, Curtis L. Olson wrote: For an upcoming newsletter article I am [hopefully] writing an introduction to modeling aircraft flight dynamics in YASim. For a subsequent issue of the newsletter I think I'd like to walk the reader through the process of creating a specific aircraft model in YASim. I have borrowed a POH for a Super King Air 200/200C which gives a *ton* of great information for modeling the aircraft's flight dynamics, so I think this would make a great candidate for this exercise. (It would be nice to have a few more turboprops in flightgear, and the king air is just a really cool design and would be good to have anyway.) So my question is this. Are there any 3D modelers out there who would be interested in participating in this exercise by creating a (or adapting an existing?) 3D model for the King Air 200 and animating/texturing it? I don't know if there is any 3d models from MSFS land we could get permission to use/adapt? Is there anyone who would like to do a 2D or 3D cockpit? We have a nice 2D cockpit for a Beech 99 (which is similar) so that might serve as a reasonable starting point. I would like to take a shot at building a 3D cockpit. I've studied some pictures at www.airliners.net and found them to be a valueable source. If anyone has, or knows about anything that can be of help, please let me know. -- Roy Vegard Ovesen ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
For an upcoming newsletter article I am [hopefully] writing an introduction to modeling aircraft flight dynamics in YASim. For a subsequent issue of the newsletter I think I'd like to walk the reader through the process of creating a specific aircraft model in YASim. I have borrowed a POH for a Super King Air 200/200C which gives a *ton* of great information for modeling the aircraft's flight dynamics, so I think this would make a great candidate for this exercise. (It would be nice to have a few more turboprops in flightgear, and the king air is just a really cool design and would be good to have anyway.) So my question is this. Are there any 3D modelers out there who would be interested in participating in this exercise by creating a (or adapting an existing?) 3D model for the King Air 200 and animating/texturing it? I don't know if there is any 3d models from MSFS land we could get permission to use/adapt? Is there anyone who would like to do a 2D or 3D cockpit? We have a nice 2D cockpit for a Beech 99 (which is similar) so that might serve as a reasonable starting point. At the end of the article, after the reader has walked through the process of building a king air dynamics model, it would be great if they could then drop it in with a nice 3d model and cockpit and go and fly it. If we wanted, these efforts to build the 3d model and cockpit could be documented and turn into sister articles for the newsletter, but that wouldn't be strictly necessary. Any one interested in collaborating on this? Let me know. Thanks! Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
How about: On a wing and a prayer (or are we all too atheist? - I am, and don't care, but some might) Giles Robertson -Original Message- From: John Check [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 May 2004 20:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter On Monday 03 May 2004 02:52 am, Durk Talsma wrote: On Sunday 02 May 2004 17:20, Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. The first thing I could think of was something like Open Wings, but right now, Lynyrd Skynyrd's song Freebird keeps spinning through my head. Since I just read that multiple entries are allowed, I'd like to enter both. :-) That would give the impression of crashiness. Secondly, we're missing suggestions for content. Suggest away, but what I'd really like is for you to suggest and volunteer to write, as well. A few ideas, aside from an introductory article, as was mentioned by somebody else, what about a history of the project, a background stody on the development of on of flightgear's subsystems, some in depth coverage of some of the academic uses of FlightGear, conference of expo proceedings? Cheers, Durk ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
John Check said: On Monday 03 May 2004 02:52 am, Durk Talsma wrote: On Sunday 02 May 2004 17:20, Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. The first thing I could think of was something like Open Wings, but right now, Lynyrd Skynyrd's song Freebird keeps spinning through my head. Since I just read that multiple entries are allowed, I'd like to enter both. :-) That would give the impression of crashiness. Oooo...Bad joke. ;-D Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Sunday 02 May 2004 17:20, Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. The first thing I could think of was something like Open Wings, but right now, Lynyrd Skynyrd's song Freebird keeps spinning through my head. Since I just read that multiple entries are allowed, I'd like to enter both. :-) Secondly, we're missing suggestions for content. Suggest away, but what I'd really like is for you to suggest and volunteer to write, as well. A few ideas, aside from an introductory article, as was mentioned by somebody else, what about a history of the project, a background stody on the development of on of flightgear's subsystems, some in depth coverage of some of the academic uses of FlightGear, conference of expo proceedings? Cheers, Durk ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Sunday 02 May 2004 17:20, Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. Runway behind you ... one of the three classic things, useless to a pilot NewsGear ... in line with Curt's naming pattern The shouting wind ... from High Flight (better for the mailing list tho) Joystick and Pedal ... our version of title - Stick and Rudder Flight Gear Checkout ... pun references CVS and also flight testing ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
I've not read all the mails, my apologies if I'm duplicating. I'm reminded of the cartoon Tail Spin... this might be an idea (drawing on Normans earlier Tail..Tale) also Cabin Talk Flight Times My favourite of the suggestions I've seen so far was Gear Chatter Chris ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Monday 03 May 2004 10:37, Chris Horler wrote: I've not read all the mails, my apologies if I'm duplicating. I'm reminded of the cartoon Tail Spin... this might be an idea (drawing on Normans earlier Tail..Tale) It might have even been called Talespin actually... also Cabin Talk Flight Times My favourite of the suggestions I've seen so far was Gear Chatter Chris ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
snip FlightBeer. A just reward. :-) Hmm. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3286049.stm refers, I think :¬) Nonetheless, your entry is in the hat; multiple tries are allowed! Actually, that wasn't an entry for the newsletter title, but a little joke about the reward! Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
Jon Berndt said: snip FlightBeer. A just reward. :-) Hmm. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3286049.stm refers, I think :¬) Nonetheless, your entry is in the hat; multiple tries are allowed! Actually, that wasn't an entry for the newsletter title, but a little joke about the reward! How about The Sober Airman's News? :-) It is interesting that these incidents are suddenly international news these days. It isn't like the regs are new. And certainly you can't argue that stupidity was just invented. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Monday 26 Apr 2004 5:39 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote, among other things: There is a *lot* of things going on with the FlightGear project at various levels and it would be nice to have a monthly or quarterly summary in newsletter form for ourselves too. I've volunteered to help John Wojnaroski with editing a FlightGear newsletter, and I've got as far as playing around with a mockup layout. Which is all very well, because we're missing a couple of things. Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. I'm severely lacking inspiration of this calibre, so here's my offer: a bottle of one of the fine beers from my local brewery [1], lovingly packed and shipped to your location, for the best suggestion for the title of a FlightGear newsletter. Competition closes 3 weeks from today, judges' decision is final, all entries become the property of, er, (forget that one), yadda yadda. Fame, glory and Wickwar beer! What are you waiting for? Secondly, we're missing suggestions for content. Suggest away, but what I'd really like is for you to suggest and volunteer to write, as well. Regards Jonathan [1] http://www.wickwarbrewing.co.uk/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Sun, 2 May 2004 16:20:08 +0100 Jonathan Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. 'Gear Chatter' Rick ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
I've volunteered to help John Wojnaroski with editing a FlightGear newsletter, This is great news. Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. I'm severely lacking inspiration of this calibre, so here's my offer: a bottle of one of the fine beers from my local brewery [1], lovingly packed and shipped to your location, for the best suggestion for the title of a FlightGear newsletter. Competition closes 3 weeks from today, judges' decision is final, all entries become the property of, er, (forget that one), yadda yadda. FlightBeer. A just reward. :-) Fame, glory and Wickwar beer! What are you waiting for? Secondly, we're missing suggestions for content. Suggest away, but what I'd really like is for you to suggest and volunteer to write, as well. I think that the first one should contain some sort of introduction to FlightGear. There are certainly a lot of articles already written on that topic, but it just seems appropriate. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
Jonathan Richards wrote: On Monday 26 Apr 2004 5:39 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote, among other things: There is a *lot* of things going on with the FlightGear project at various levels and it would be nice to have a monthly or quarterly summary in newsletter form for ourselves too. I've volunteered to help John Wojnaroski with editing a FlightGear newsletter, and I've got as far as playing around with a mockup layout. Which is all very well, because we're missing a couple of things. Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. I'm severely lacking inspiration of this calibre, so here's my offer: a bottle of one of the fine beers from my local brewery [1], lovingly packed and shipped to your location, for the best suggestion for the title of a FlightGear newsletter. Competition closes 3 weeks from today, judges' decision is final, all entries become the property of, er, (forget that one), yadda yadda. Fame, glory and Wickwar beer! What are you waiting for? Secondly, we're missing suggestions for content. Suggest away, but what I'd really like is for you to suggest and volunteer to write, as well. Regards Jonathan [1] http://www.wickwarbrewing.co.uk/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel It has been said that the flight envelope rests on the ground with the left edge at 0 airspeed. So when dealing with experimental aircraft it is wise to remember that the upper right corner, maximum altitude and speed, is where your postage gets canceled. So some play on postage and postmarks might have a black hummer edginess that would be fun. Charles Puffer ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
Jonathan Richards said: Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which I think is particularly clever - JSBSim is anything but a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and there are echoes of flight envelope, too. I'm severely lacking inspiration of this calibre, so here's my offer: a bottle of one of the fine beers from my local brewery [1], lovingly packed and shipped to your location, for the best suggestion for the title of a FlightGear newsletter. Competition closes 3 weeks from today, judges' decision is final, all entries become the property of, er, (forget that one), yadda yadda. Fame, glory and Wickwar beer! What are you waiting for? How about Gear Up! with the exclamation point included, like that old web directory turned portal that stole its name from Gulliver's Travels? Secondly, we're missing suggestions for content. Suggest away, but what I'd really like is for you to suggest and volunteer to write, as well. Hmmm...let me think about that. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. How about: Don't panic in nice and friendly letters? Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Sun May 2 11:08:06 CDT 2004, Jon Berndt jsb at hal-pc.org wrote: snip FlightBeer. A just reward. :-) Hmm. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3286049.stm refers, I think :¬) Nonetheless, your entry is in the hat; multiple tries are allowed! I thought things were a bit quiet through the day, while I have been fiddling with Scribus, and it appears that blueyonder had stopped delivering my mail, maybe because I had four or five thousand emails hanging around on their mail server. Ooops. So I have done some mass deletions, and caught up with the day's traffic on the mailing list from the archives http://baron.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/ If anyone sent me an entry off-list, it would be a good idea to resend. You don't want to miss out on that pint! Thanks Jonathan ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Sun, 02 May 2004 19:25:24 +0200, Erik wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. How about: Don't panic in nice and friendly letters? ..nah, needs a devilish smiley like in that gourmet abo line in the Crocodile Dundee movie: 'Nah, needs garlic.' ;-) ...nah, don't panic. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Sunday 02 May 2004 01:25 pm, Erik Hofman wrote: Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. How about: Don't panic in nice and friendly letters? Resistance Is Useless You could have a bad poem of the month. :-D Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
Jonathan Richards writes: If anyone sent me an entry off-list, it would be a good idea to resend. Probably to English specific but the first thing I thought of Eagle Tails Note Tail and Tale are pronounced the same in English Tale: A recital of events or happenings; a report or revelation: Tail: The posterior part of an animal, especially when elongated and extending beyond the trunk or main part of the body. Norman ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter
On Sunday 02 May 2004 16:20, Jonathan Richards wrote: Firstly, a title. Jon's newsletter is called 'Back of the Envelope', which How about Foxtrot Golf ? Secondly, we're missing suggestions for content. Suggest away, but what I'd really like is for you to suggest and volunteer to write, as well. Perhaps it would be an idea to break these down into topics. Then aim to have, say, 3 topics covered in each newsletter. If people are going to be subscribing then we want to keep them interested and as the target audience are going to have diverse interests in FlightGear we want to have something that caters for everyone. Also I think it's easier for potential writers to try to think of an article on an aspect of FlightGear, flight simulation, computing, software development or aviation if a set of topics have been defined. In addition a number of people (at the Linux Expo and on list/forum) were asking when is FlightGear v1.0 going to be released. A lot of people have a keen interest in FlightGear's development and I think it would be nice if there is something showing current release targets in terms of capability etc and aspects of FG being actively worked on. I know I'm opening a can of worms here and understand FG is under no commericial influences (AFAIK). One major plus point is potential developers could see a nice entry point for themselves. All the best, Al Regards Jonathan [1] http://www.wickwarbrewing.co.uk/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear news letter?
Jon Berndt puts together a really nice quarterly news letter for the JSBSim project. Here is the first edition: http://www.jsbsim.org/JSBSimNewsletter_1_1.pdf There is a *lot* of things going on with the FlightGear project at various levels and it would be nice to have a monthly or quarterly summary in newsletter form for ourselves too. Along with interesting news and developments, this could be a great venue for posting various tutorials (scenery building, aircraft building, networking/interfacing, multiple displays, etc.) reports from people using FG for interesting applications, interviews with developers, reports from conferences or expos we attend, and maybe a few of my own insane rantings on wide ranging topics loosely related to computers or simulators. However, to make something like this work, we would need a creative and dedicated volunteer who would be willing to take this project on and be willing to put in the effort to push out each issue on time. Duties would involve assembling the information in a nice form (perhaps a pdf newsletter format, or perhaps a nice html online newsletter?) This person would need to go out and drum up participants and contributing authors, and probably pester them once in a while to finish their submissions on time. This person would probably need to jump in and write an article or two themselves to pad space. If anyone is interested in helping out the FG project in such a way, please let me know. We average over 4000 visits to the FG web site daily so this could be a great outlet for someone's creative abilities. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
