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It seems like fgtracker no longer registers flights on mpserv02, is it broken.

http://fgfs.i-net.hu/modules/fgtracker/?FUNCT=FLIGHTSCALLSIGN=AMaster doesn't 
show any flights
since December 15, and I have done several on 02.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] The north pole is gone

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fg never worked well around the poles, iirc with fg/osg you get a crash at 
south poles. Also we lack
scenery for the poles. Any scenery south or north of a certain point that is.

How did you take off from the water btw?

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Torsten Dreyer wrote:
 Hi,
 
 just launched a current cvs build with
 ./fgfs --aircraft=c172p --start-date-sys=2007:06:21:12:00:00 --lat=89.0 
 --lon=10
 As expected, the cessna sat on the water since there is no scenery installed.
 After takeoff, when flying a few miles to the north, the water vanishes and 
 there is nothing than some mystical white mist. 
 Screenshot: http://www.t3r.de/fg/end-of-the-world.jpg
 Trying to land on what's supposed to be sea level, the aircraft does not 
 descend below 0ft, but it accelerates with throttle idle to unlimited.
 
 Anybody else observing this? Whats going on here?
 
 Torsten
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[Flightgear-devel] CVS server problems

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Currently I'm unable to reach the cvs server and some other people on IRC 
confirmed this.

It seems like both cvs and terrasync/scenery server is down (apart from my 
terrasync mirror, it is up).

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] The north pole is gone

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Torsten Dreyer wrote:
 fg never worked well around the poles, iirc with fg/osg you get a crash at
 south poles. Also we lack scenery for the poles. Any scenery south or north
 of a certain point that is.
 Oh - no rich-people-cocktail-party with a helicopter at the north-pole.
Heh? What did you plan?!

 How did you take off from the water btw?
 Normal takeoff: full throttle, rotate at 60 and go.
Ah it is JSBSim then?

Yasim would had crashed.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3-Dimensional forests.

2007-12-20 Thread AnMaster

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I tried doing this but I couldn't get it to work. How do you set a trace with 
it?

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Georg Vollnhals -- Wednesday 19 December 2007:
 You asked on the FG forum for driving cars. I made an example a long
 time ago with a driving truck on the EDDW airport.
 
 BTW: the ufo does since a while export flightplans. You just
 select an arbitrary object, set a trace with it, and press
 the 'n'-key. Final adjustments have to be done manually, of
 course. Setting a snowplow route with that should be a matter
 of minutes.  :-)
 
 m.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] repeatable keys

2007-12-20 Thread AnMaster

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Indeed AltGr is broken with SDL last I tried (Swedish keyboard here) so I
recommend glut in that case until the osgviewer input works nicely.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Cédric Lucantis wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'd like to know if the 'repeatable' flag in the key bindings is
 supposed to work ?
 Yes, but only with SDL. It does (AFAIK) not yet work with
 osgViewer, and it will probably never work with glut.
 ok it works, thanks for the tip, but now I have a bigger problem ;)
 It concerns keys using the alt-gr modifier (and sometimes some other
 modifiers) : when not repeatable, those only work the first time you
 press them and then get 'stuck' and never work again.
 
 hum, sorry to insist, but am I the only one to have this problem ? 
 Doesn't sound like a trivial bug... I'm using SDL now and with all 
 default settings (and a french keyboard) many of my flight commands are 
 just unusable (maybe this does not happen with us/uk keyboard as these 
 don't have so many non-ascii keys? Do they have an alt-gr modifier?)
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM bug: Call rejected by remote

2007-12-19 Thread AnMaster

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Holger Wirtz wrote:
 Hi Arvid,
 No, yes, no... yes it's a kind of bug. I had such things not in mind as
 I wrote fgcom. There should be a feature that allows to use the echo box
 even if you are authenticated to the server but this works only as
 guest. I will fix this soon. Than I have to setup asterisk to create
 conferences for _every_ frequency. That maybe working but I have to
 think about problems with this...
 
 Regards, Holger
 
Nice. But do fgcom make a difference between the same frequency used for, lets
say, an airport in Sweden and one in US? Or if you use it in any place just
outside the range of that airport?

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

2007-12-19 Thread AnMaster

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Yes much easier to see what is happening.:D

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

gerard robin wrote:
 On mer 19 décembre 2007, gerard robin wrote:
 On mer 19 décembre 2007, AnMaster wrote:
 Hm another issue: in S-51-on_carrier one of the aircrafts in the
 background seems partly below deck?
 Hello, Arvid
 If you want i can UP the elevator.   :)

 Cheers
 
 I have just added a new snapshot with the same scenery, 
 the diff:
 The Corsair is now on the front deck elevator.
 
 This could avoid any misunderstanding.
 
 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/S-51-on_carrier_2.jpg
 
 BTW: every snapshots links remains here 
 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/
 I had only to remove Blackbird-aar_3.jpg (was not significant and not 
 selected) in order to get space.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Performance issues in Win32

2007-12-19 Thread AnMaster

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I don't know where it is on windows but on Linux there is an xml in
$HOME/.fgfs/autosave.xml and for each aircraft $HOME/.fgfs/aircraft-data/*.xml.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Shad Young wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Again not sure if I should post this to the users list.
 
 I have been experimenting with the latest FG 1.0.0 on Win32 (XP SP2) and 
 am having some rather significant frame dropping.
 
 FPS on or near the ground at San Fran in all AC often results in long 
 pauses and jumps, with regular stutters. FPS are all over the map, from 
 60fps to 1 frame every couple of seconds.
 
 I am using a Dual Core FX60, 2 Gig DDR, with an NV8800GTX.
 
 Are there specific tweaks that can be made, or are there some settings 
 that should be turned off? I have tried to reset to default but then FG 
 launcher seems to crash.
 
 I tried to remove FG using the uninstall program and then cleaning out 
 the registry, deleting the folder etc, but it seems to be keeping the 
 settings that I had with FG 0.9.10 (is there an INI somewhere other than 
 in the FG folder in Program Files?)
 
 TIA
 Shad
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads page update

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I agree, aircrafts without 3D models should not be included (apart from
psedo-aircrafts like ATC and MIBS that aren't meant to have 3D models).

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Fabian Grodek wrote:
 The download page contains other aircrafts with no 3D models:
 1. F-15 (NOT F-15C)
 2. Marchetti
 3. X-24B
 4. Shuttle
 Their FDM are present.
 I particularly like to have the FDM of these aircraft available, but, at
 least for the JSBSim models (X24B and Shuttle), they can be (and indeed
 are) are available from JSBSim CVS, which is a natural place to look for
 them.
 This would probably be a new discussion: whether to include or not aircraft
 without 3D models in the aircraft download page. I vote for NO.
 
 Fabian
 
 On 12/17/07, Maik Justus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Curt,

 could you please delete the as350 and the bell206 from the download
 page? Both have no 3D-model and a very poor FDM.

 The hornet and the fk9mk2 are done by Emmanuel Baranger (3D) and me (FDM).

 Melchior: Whats about changing the bo105 status from beta to production?

 Best regards,
 Maik

 Curtis Olson schrieb am 17.12.2007 21:25:
 Hi,

 I have updated the aircraft downloads page with all the lastest
 versions of the available (CVS) aircraft.  Many of the new ones do not
 have a thumbnail image for the web page, and a few of them have been
 copied from other aircraft and are incorrect.  It would be great if
 people could grab a quick preview image and submit/commit it for the
 aircraft that don't yet have one.

 http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft/

 Thanks,

 Curt.
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[Flightgear-devel] FGCOM bug: Call rejected by remote

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When I select a frequency that is not a tower freq for any nearby airport I
always get Call rejected by remote. That is wrong, I should be able to use any
frequency anywhere and talk to any aircraft within range. There is no airport
out over the Atlantic for example. There are a lot of places with no airport in
range, yet I should be able to talk to other aircrafts within range of my radio,
and only those.

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[Flightgear-devel] Bugs with recent CVS HEAD (osg)

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When starting lightning using fg/osg HEAD today I got some odd z-fightning
issues with the squadron markings in external view. Command line used was:
- --enable-real-weather-fetch --prop:sim/traffic-manager/enabled=0
- --aircraft=lightning --airport=LSTZ

See the screenshots:
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/bugs/osg-head-20071218/fgfs-screen-063.png
and
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/bugs/osg-head-20071218/fgfs-screen-064.png


Also about 10% of the times I start flightgear I end up starting below terrain
and falling.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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[Flightgear-devel] MP chat BUGs

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Using the new feature that allows pre-made lines to be said using the - key is
often impossible:
For example when I was on an approach to runway 28R of KSFO it suggested an
airport that was behind me, though closer. Screenshot:

Much better would be getting the closest airport with a matching tower frequency
than just using the nearest airport.

Screenshot of the above mentioned approach:
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/bugs/mp-chat-20071218/fgfs-screen-010.png

As a result this function is unusable in areas with many close airport (like
around KSFO, the default airport)
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM bug: Call rejected by remote

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So when will this be fixed. Considering the type of flights I normally make I
really need this feature. For example I was planning cross atlantic flight with
in air refueling over mp using fgcom but until this BUG is fixed that is not
possible. Because I consider it a bug.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Csaba Halász wrote:
 On Dec 18, 2007 5:36 PM, AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I select a frequency that is not a tower freq for any nearby airport I
 always get Call rejected by remote. That is wrong, I should be able to use 
 any
 frequency anywhere and talk to any aircraft within range. There is no airport
 out over the Atlantic for example. There are a lot of places with no airport 
 in
 range, yet I should be able to talk to other aircrafts within range of my 
 radio,
 and only those.
 
 Yes, the design of fgcom doesn't support that at the moment. That is
 not a bug, but a limitation.
 Currently fgcom is mostly usable for fixed position ATC.
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in the
water, looks bad.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
 Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
 
 http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
 
 I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
 and organized and arranged them.
 
 Here are a few things that jump out at me:
 
 1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under represented.
 
 2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of our
 full 3d, fully operational cockpits.
 
 3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
 improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
 could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
 primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is removed or
 replaced, please don't be upset!)
 
 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
 
 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded up?
 
 6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes the
 page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
 ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible to
 find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
 matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the raw
 images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
 http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/)
 
 7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all autogenerated
 via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but there
 are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
 pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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Hm another issue: in S-51-on_carrier one of the aircrafts in the background
seems partly below deck?

Also I see jpeg artifacts even in the largest version, I would suggest that the
full versions are either done in png or highest quality jpeg.

Also some of the full sized pngs load faster than the medium sized jpgs (example
dhc2F-CYDL-07). Odd. I used optipng -o 7 on all my pngs before uploading them.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

AnMaster wrote:
 The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in the
 water, looks bad.
 
 Regards,
 
 Arvid Norlander
 
 Curtis Olson wrote:
 Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:
 
 http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/
 
 I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing list
 and organized and arranged them.
 
 Here are a few things that jump out at me:
 
 1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under represented.
 
 2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of our
 full 3d, fully operational cockpits.
 
 3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
 improved upon.  There's no time limit for sending me better images that
 could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
 primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is removed or
 replaced, please don't be upset!)
 
 4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?
 
 5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded up?
 
 6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes the
 page look really sloppy.  I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
 ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024).  Would it be possible to
 find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
 matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page?  I can send you the raw
 images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
 http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/)
 
 7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all autogenerated
 via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but there
 are limits.  Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
 pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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I'll see what I can do today or tomorrow.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
Ok, I'll remove that, but I'd be happy to add back in some other Aerostar
picture if it was submitted.

Curt.

On Dec 18, 2007 6:26 PM, AnMaster wrote:

The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in
the
water, looks bad.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:

http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/tmp/v1.0/

I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing
list
and organized and arranged them.

Here are a few things that jump out at me:

1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under
represented.
2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of
our
full 3d, fully operational cockpits.

3. A few of the pictures are really great, but some of them could be
improved upon. There's no time limit for sending me better images that
could either be added to the page, or replace an existing image. (Our
primary goal is to show our best side here, if someone's image is
removed or
replaced, please don't be upset!)

4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?

5. Can someone send an image of the osprey with it's rotors all folded
up?
6. The aspect ratios on these images are all over the map which makes
the
page look really sloppy. I would like to standardize on a 1.333 aspect
ratio (1024x768 or 1600x1200, but not 1280x1024). Would it be possible
to
find a volunteer willing to crop the original images so they all have a
matching aspect ratio and thus line up on the page? I can send you the
raw
images or provide a place for easy download (like right here:
http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/Source/http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/tmp/v1.0/Source/
)
7. The thumbnails and larger versions of the images are all
autogenerated
via a script so we have some control over the styling of the page, but
there
are limits. Mostly I'd like to focus on expanding our set of quality
pictures and we can worry about page layout details a little later.

Thanks,

Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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Here are 3:
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-02.png
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-03.png
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-04.png

I had real weather fetch and real time, very nice time of day. These are
pre-compressed as before and use same stuff in nvidia-settings.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

AnMaster wrote:
I'll see what I can do today or tomorrow.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
Ok, I'll remove that, but I'd be happy to add back in some other Aerostar
picture if it was submitted.

Curt.

On Dec 18, 2007 6:26 PM, AnMaster wrote:

The Aerostar-700-KSFO-01 should not be included it shows some ILS thing in
the
water, looks bad.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
Here is a prototype for the v1.0 Gallery:

http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/v1.0/http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/tmp/v1.0/

I've taken the best of the pictures that were submitted on the mailing
list
and organized and arranged them.

Here are a few things that jump out at me:

1. The big commercial jets with glass cockpits seem very under
represented.
2. It would be nice to have a couple more interior shots showing some of
our
full 3d, fully operational cockpits.

4. Do we have a nice outside view of a glider or two?

Thanks,

Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] v1.0 Gallery Page

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What about:
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-05.png


Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Curtis Olson wrote:
 On Dec 18, 2007 7:09 PM, AnMaster  wrote:
 Here are 3:

 http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-02.pnghttp://rage.kuonet.org/%7Eanmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-02.png

 http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-03.pnghttp://rage.kuonet.org/%7Eanmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-03.png

 http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-04.pnghttp://rage.kuonet.org/%7Eanmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/Areostar-700-KSFO-04.png

 I had real weather fetch and real time, very nice time of day. These are
 pre-compressed as before and use same stuff in nvidia-settings.
 
 
 Melchior commented that low light and dark screen shots just don't come out
 looking all that great in thumbnails and smaller versions.  We have quite a
 few darker shots already.  I'd like to find something that is more towards
 the middle of the day so that everything is brighter.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Csaba Halász wrote:
 On Dec 16, 2007 12:39 AM, alexis bory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 if this can help AnMaster, pictures marked from 0 to 3 from
 http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/
 
 Okay, I'll just list the ones I graded with a 3 ;)
 
 A-10-KNID-01.png (the rwy edge is somewhat jagged, is that really 
 antialiased?)
Yes it is. I don't know why the edge looks like that.
 A-6E-Nimitz-01.png (wouldn't mind if the Nimitz was a little closer)
Well the water texture attached to the Nimitz is quite low res, if I'm closer it
looks jagged around the edges.
 Seahawk-Foch-01.png
 Seahawk-SeaVixen-Nimitz-01.png
 V22-Osprey-KSFO-01.png (definitely need a picture of V22, this is the
 better of the two)
 dhc2F-CYDL-02.png (I'd welcome a nicer background scenery though)
 dhc2F-CYDL-07.png (I love this one: the lighting, the mountains, and
 the star/planet)
Thanks

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] missing fsfgdb files in base package?

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Worse is that the lamposts look like crap during dawn and dusk, they are just
black rectangles with a white pattern on then.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Morten Oesterlund Joergensen wrote:
 On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 19:59 -0600, Curtis Olson wrote:
 But now I am concerned that all these missing light models are now
 placed incorrectly around the SFO area (or at least are not aligned
 properly with the terminal building) and I'm also concerned that these
 lights are not appropriate for SFO in the first place.  It's a very
 nice model, but I don't think SFO has this style of lighting where
 these lights are placed. 
 
 I added those lights to FlightGear Scenery Database months ago. I am not
 sure if it was legal, but I did my best to find the lights on Google
 Maps, often identified using their shadows. I then centered the view
 around each one and copied the coordinate link, which FGFSDB takes as
 input. I am not sure if Google Maps' coordinates was that precise, but I
 just thought it was better than nothing.
 I would not be surprised if Google Maps' imagery has changed since then.
 I just took a look at some of the lights and I was not able to see those
 anymore on the images.
 I have not seen that model used anywhere around KSFO before I added the
 objects.
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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How did you do the banner? the model in fg doesn't seem to have a banner when I
look.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Torsten Dreyer wrote:
 I have one, too
 And one more, showing the Dragonfly microlight towing the FlightGear banner
 at Lelystad, EHLE.
 It has some nice shadows and shows our perfect implementation of the
 flatness of the Netherlands (sorry, Durk and Gijs ;-)
 
 Oups - forgot the link. Here it is:
 http://www.t3r.de/fg/screenshots/Dragonfly-TowingBannerEHLE.jpg
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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There is also an undoccuemnted key binding (in aircraft help) that I found
looking in -set.xml file: o - drops banner. However it drops banner even if no
banner is picked up. Bug?

Regards,
Arvid Norlander

Torsten Dreyer wrote:
 How did you do the banner? the model in fg doesn't seem to have a banner
 when I look.
 Hehe - of course not. You don't get it for free, you have to pick it up in 
 flight!
 
 First you need the latest CVS version (last modification was 5 weeks ago). 
 Next, a little configuration file is needed as described in
 http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=Dragonfly
 
 If you want to cheat, you can set /sim/model/banner-on-hook to true and you 
 have your banner - but thats really unfair!
 
 Enjoy, Torsten
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Why is there a black area at the bottom of each picture? If you want to hide FPS
counter just turn it off in Rendering Options under View menu.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Heiko Schulz wrote:
 Some more from me:
 
 http://www.hoerbird.net/page-0016.htm
 Really nice textures - I didn't try the photorealistic
 one yet!
 
 http://www.hoerbird.net/page-0017.htm
 And a very nice cockpit too!
 
 http://www.hoerbird.net/page-0018.htm
 For showing tutorial feature
 
 http://www.hoerbird.net/page-0019.htm
 
 http://www.hoerbird.net/page-0020.htm
 
 Regards
 HHS
 
 still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html
 But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html
 
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Another thing: those hangars at that airport, when I flew there (terrasync
scenery) I couldn't find them?

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Torsten Dreyer wrote:
 Am Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007 18:11 schrieb AnMaster:
 There is also an undoccuemnted key binding (in aircraft help) that I found
 looking in -set.xml file: o - drops banner. However it drops banner even if
 no banner is picked up. Bug?
 Oups - yes. Will fix both. Thanks for the hint.
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Christian Mayer wrote:
 AnMaster schrieb:
 All screenshots have been looselessly compressed with optipng before 
 uploading
 (http://optipng.sourceforge.net/) at max level.
 
 I don't think that screenshots need a lossles compression. JPG is
 optimized for photograph-like images, so it works well for our
 screenshots. And even a few JPG artifacts wouldn't matter as people know
 that that's a JPG feature and not a FGFS fault.
 
 Also I think your screenshot file size is too large. When people have to
 wait too long to see an image they'll skip it and perhaps might leave
 the web page. This is especially sad as many people are only looking at
 the screenshots first and then are looking for the rest, so we'll loose
 these customers forever... :(
 
 My suggestion: do a JPG compression with roughly 80% - and hope that the
 full screenshot won't be much bigger than 100 KB then. If it's much
 bigger try a different screen resolution and/or a higher JPG compression.
Well if they get used for anything official whoever does it can recompress them.
 And maybe create a thumbnail or whatever.
 
 About the image size: people are looking at the screenshots with their
 web browser. So there are window borders, menus, navigation bar, etc.
 pp. that also have to fit on the monitor. And it's quite bad if the
 customer has to scroll to see the full beauty of our screenshots. And
 not every customer has a screen resolution of at least 1400x1050 (or
 even better).
1400x1280, 20 here :)
 I'd aim for a full screen browser window on a screen with a resolution
 of 1280x1024 (saver: 1024x768) with a maximized browser. That leaves
 roughly a resolution of about 1200x800 (or 1000x600).
Heh, will think of that next time.
 
 Anyway: nice screenshots!
Thanks
 
 CU,
 Christian
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bleriot - Sopwith Camel?

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It is still broken in plib, the windscreen is not transparent like in osg.

Regards,

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Vivian Meazza wrote:
 Durk 
 
 Sent: 13 December 2007 22:34
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 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bleriot - Sopwith Camel?


 On Thursday 13 December 2007 23:13, Vivian Meazza wrote:
 If Durk can give us a little time?

 Sure, no problem.

  
 OK - I've fixed the main issue - the control stick - in cvs. Now for the
 minor ones.
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Missing file in cvs for dhc2F

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This happens for dhc2W too and as it (IIRC) was one of the planes suggested for
the release this should be fixed as soon as possible!

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

AnMaster wrote:
 Run fgfs with --aircraft=dhc2F :
 Error reading default aircraft: Failed to open file
  at /mnt/flightgear/data/Aircraft/dhc2/dhc2-base.xml
 
 And indeed that file is missing in cvs.
 
 Regards,
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Stefan Seifert wrote:
 Christian Mayer wrote:
 About the image size: people are looking at the screenshots with their
 web browser. So there are window borders, menus, navigation bar, etc.
 pp. that also have to fit on the monitor. And it's quite bad if the
 customer has to scroll to see the full beauty of our screenshots. And
 not every customer has a screen resolution of at least 1400x1050 (or
 even better).
 
 That's why usually galleries create a smaller version of the picture for
 immediate consumption (like 640x480) and link to the full version, which
 might even be the PNG, as the user already expects longer loading time.
Indeed (I'm currently compressing 18 new screeenshots, mostly of A-10 because it
looks so good with shadows, and optipng isn't fast, about 1-2 minutes for each
picture). It usually brings the image size down with something like 8-12 %
however. For example (output from a bash script, that I made, that runs 
optipng):
A-10-KNID-02.png : 477316
Output file size = 415936 bytes (61380 bytes = 12.86% decrease)

 
 I'd aim for a full screen browser window on a screen with a resolution
 of 1280x1024 (saver: 1024x768) with a maximized browser. That leaves
 roughly a resolution of about 1200x800 (or 1000x600).
 
 Images may be resized anyway, so it seems to be the best idea to use the
 largest resolution possible for screen shots. Scaling down then would
 even improve quality by reducing aliasing.
Also I notice that if I resize the fgfs window to be smaller while flying A-10
or any other aircraft with the heat haze animation while the engine is running I
get odd graphical artifacts instead of the heat haze, restoring the window size
to same as before fixes it.
 
 Nine
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Right. Some more screenshots uploaded to
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0

New:
* A-10-KNID-02.png to A-10-KNID-18.png
* SopwithCamel-001.png

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Well I wanted to show the runway lights or aircraft lights in some of my
screenshots. Hard to do that at noon. :P

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 - dark screenshots should be avoided, as they likely look bad
   on cheap and/or badly adjusted/adjustable monitors. I have that
   problem with mine, and that wouldn't be a good reason, but I
   also know that others have them. If you don't have anything to
   hide, use daylight!  :-}
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release in progress

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IIRC the Beaver was included. But as I mentioned before ([Flightgear-devel]
Missing file in cvs for dhc2F) it is broken. My mail seems to have been 
ignored.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Durk Talsma wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I just finished creating the release and placed the tar files on my server. 
 Due to the capacity limitations of my own server, I'm not providing a 
 download link here. They will hopefully shortly be transfered to the mirrors, 
 shortly. I've also given the people involved in building the windows and mac 
 binaries access to these files, so hopefully, these versions will also appear 
 soon.
 
 Cheers,
 Durk
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release in progress

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Yes but tar ball have been made while blocker bugs still existed. If we had a
real bug tracker this could have been avoided. Durk Talsma would have seen that
there was a bug marked as blocker then and could have waited until it was fixed.
But as it is now with just this mailing list, it is hard to keep track of bugs.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * AnMaster -- Saturday 15 December 2007:
 IIRC the Beaver was included. But as I mentioned before
 ([Flightgear-devel] Missing file in cvs for dhc2F) it is
 broken. My mail seems to have been ignored. 
 
 That's bad, indeed. The whole aircraft should get thrown out.
 There's a file in the seahawk missing, too ...
 
 m.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release in progress

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Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * AnMaster -- Saturday 15 December 2007:
 Yes but tar ball have been made [...]
 
 But they aren't released. Can still be fixed.
Indeed.

 
 I'd revert the last changes to the dhc2F that broke it.
 The manual seems to have changed after the packaging, too,
 and there certainly was a reason for the changes.
 
 Let's not make v1.0 the worst fgfs release ever.

But wouldn't setting up a real bug tracker be a good idea?

I'd suggest using mantis, it works well. I used it myself for the supertux
project that I'm a developer of. Bugzilla is a pain to setup (and it is overkill
and often confusing) and trac just lacks a lot of features. So mantis seems 
best.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Well I uploaded quite a few new screenshots to
http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/
also I removed some that had flaws in them.

Feel free to use any for the official website. They are dual licensed under GPL
2 or later and CC-by-sa-3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/).

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release in progress

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Vivian Meazza wrote:
 And there is a major issue with the chrome shader in the Camel - seems as if
 it makes the windscreen opaque in some systems - but not here.
 
 Vivian 
 
Both me and AJ had that problem.

Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Very nice!
Have you commited the nicer parachutes to cvs? I would like to try some
screenshots with them too. :) Also where is that screenshot taken? What is the
local airport?

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

gerard robin wrote:
 On sam 15 décembre 2007, gerard robin wrote:
 On sam 15 décembre 2007, Heiko Schulz wrote:
 ..and a pity that the parachutes are nor really
 round...

 but this are the shots are needed!

 Regards
 HHS
 --- AJ MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 schrieb:
 On Saturday 15 December 2007 14:34:19 gerard robin

 wrote:
 This could give an idea for an other snapshot.
 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Noratlas-Para.jpg

 Nice dramatic shot (the sky especially) - pity about
 the sharp flat top to the
 3d clouds to the right :-\

 Cheers,

 AJ
 We know the problem about the clouds , Harald explained us the difficulty.

 About parachutes it is easier to solve = more poly, i must try it

 Cheers
 
 An other one , without the sharp flat top to the clouds , and with 
 parachutes more realistic.
 
 Anti-aliasing , Anisotropic Filter, Texture Sharpening, 1800X1440 (available 
 if necessary .ppm format)
 
 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Noratlas-Para_1.jpg
 
 Regards
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Curtis Olson wrote:
 I'm still playing catchup after being gone all week so I've missed a lot of
 the contributions people have posted here.  I am hoping that someone on the
 list here would be willing to glean through all the screenshot contributions
 and try to assemble maybe 10-20 of the very best ... that show a variety of
 interesting aircraft in their best light, that show a variety of terrain and
 environments and weather.  I agree that night shots seem to not work as well
 ... point lights get lost when images are resized, etc.  But some of the
 most compelling images I've seen have come when the sun is low in the sky,
 so having one or two dusk/dawn images would be good in my opinion.  And of
 course, if we can cleverly show features and details in the process that is
 also a great thing.  Gerards shot of the parachute drop is great because it
 shows off our dynamic submodel feature which might not be matched in
 capability by other simulators.
 
 So if we can get a volunteer to assemble the best of the best submissions
 here, I can put them on the web site with thumbnails.  In addition, each
 image can have a caption if we want to point out a few special details for
 the visitors to look for.
 
 Regards,
 
 Curt.


Indeed, however I'm biased here as I provided a lot of screenshots myself
(compressing some more at the moment of dhc2F)

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

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Curtis Olson wrote:
 On Dec 15, 2007 4:26 PM, AnMaster  wrote:
 
 Indeed, however I'm biased here as I provided a lot of screenshots myself
 (compressing some more at the moment of dhc2F)
 
 
 It sounds to me like you have just volunteered.  And if no one else
 volunteers to help assemble the final screen shots, then no one else will be
 able to legitimately complain about your choices. :-)
Well sadly I won't have time either, busy until Monday evening.

Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

2007-12-14 Thread AnMaster

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Some questions:

* What resolution should be used? I normally run with maximized window. For true
full screen my monitor produces 1400x1280 however. However I don't like full 
screen.

* I can run with 2x antialias in real time (the max in nvidia settings, 16x, is
insanely slow). Should I use the snapshot way with 16x antialias?

* Should I enable Anisotropic Filtering?

* What about the texture sharpening feature?

Normally I fly with 2x antialias, 2x Anisotropic Filtering, texture 
sharpening on.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 For a new release, especially one with version number 1.0, we
 should provide some new screenshots for the website. Normally,
 Curt would ask for that, but as he is/was away for a few days,
 I start with this reminder. Screenshots should ...
 
 - use maximum quality (antialiasing!)
 - disable gui parts (menu/frame rate counter, unless that's what
   you want to demonstrate, of course)
 - ideally (but not necessarily) show something that is new in this
   release: one of the aircraft shipped in the default package for
   the first time, or a new feature (or at least something that is
   in context with a new feature, so that a subscription text can
   explain the feature)
 
 Please don't just make random snapshots of random flights, but
 aim for a good view angle, appropriate weather effects (not only
 default weather, unless that's the most appropriate :-), ideal
 sun angle (shadow angle - self-shadowing), etc. Look at some
 of the last screenshots, most of which were quite good.
 
 The contents of a screenshot shouldn't be (totally) cheated. That
 is: one should be able to see the same scene with a default fgfs
 if the weather, daytime etc. is the same (and one has a graphics
 card good enough for real-time antialiasing). But some cheating is
 acceptable, if it follows this principle. It's OK to use terrain/objects
 that aren't in the default tiles (e.g. using KNID is fine), as
 long as that's available from Jon's ObjectDB. It's *not* OK to show,
 for example, a Jeep in a Hercules, as this isn't something we can
 do with a flyable Hercules.
 
 
 
 Unfortunately, my FX5500 isn't good enough for live antialiasing,
 so I use an acceptable cheating method: from a local key binding
 (Meta-d) I call a function dump_aircraft_snapshot() that saves
 a snapshot, similar to what ac_state.nas does. This allows me to
 make a normal (aliasing) flight with my target aircraft. When I
 found a nice situation, I pause fgfs, then press the snapshot key,
 and get a snapshot file, e.g ~/.fgfs/snapshot-KNID-A-10-1.xml
 (automatically inserting the nearest airport and aircraft, as well
 as an index number that prevents overwriting old files).
 
 Now I turn on full anti-aliasing, and run fgfs again with
 
   $ fgfs --aircraft=ufo ~/.fgfs/snapshot-KNID-A-10-1.xml
 
 And now the A-10 hangs there like it did in the prior run, and
 I can use the UFO to find a good viewing angle, good sun angle,
 good weather etc. With full antialiasing that's still sluggish,
 but workable.
 
 Here's the result of a quick test with the A-10 near KNID. It
 isn't spectacular, but you can see that there's full antialiasing
 and still a nice shadow effect. This would have been quite hard
 (though possible!) with a real A-10 flight.
 
   http://members.aon.at/mfranz/a10.jpg  [32.9 kB]
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

2007-12-14 Thread AnMaster

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This may be a duplicated, didn't manage to get through first time.


Some questions:

* What resolution should be used? I normally run with maximized window. For true
full screen my monitor produces 1400x1280 however. However I don't like full 
screen.

* I can run with 2x antialias in real time (the max in nvidia settings, 16x, is
insanely slow). Should I use the snapshot way with 16x antialias?

* Should I enable Anisotropic Filtering?

* What about the texture sharpening feature?

Normally I fly with 2x antialias, 2x Anisotropic Filtering, texture 
sharpening on.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 For a new release, especially one with version number 1.0, we
 should provide some new screenshots for the website. Normally,
 Curt would ask for that, but as he is/was away for a few days,
 I start with this reminder. Screenshots should ...

 - use maximum quality (antialiasing!)
 - disable gui parts (menu/frame rate counter, unless that's what
   you want to demonstrate, of course)
 - ideally (but not necessarily) show something that is new in this
   release: one of the aircraft shipped in the default package for
   the first time, or a new feature (or at least something that is
   in context with a new feature, so that a subscription text can
   explain the feature)

 Please don't just make random snapshots of random flights, but
 aim for a good view angle, appropriate weather effects (not only
 default weather, unless that's the most appropriate :-), ideal
 sun angle (shadow angle - self-shadowing), etc. Look at some
 of the last screenshots, most of which were quite good.

 The contents of a screenshot shouldn't be (totally) cheated. That
 is: one should be able to see the same scene with a default fgfs
 if the weather, daytime etc. is the same (and one has a graphics
 card good enough for real-time antialiasing). But some cheating is
 acceptable, if it follows this principle. It's OK to use terrain/objects
 that aren't in the default tiles (e.g. using KNID is fine), as
 long as that's available from Jon's ObjectDB. It's *not* OK to show,
 for example, a Jeep in a Hercules, as this isn't something we can
 do with a flyable Hercules.



 Unfortunately, my FX5500 isn't good enough for live antialiasing,
 so I use an acceptable cheating method: from a local key binding
 (Meta-d) I call a function dump_aircraft_snapshot() that saves
 a snapshot, similar to what ac_state.nas does. This allows me to
 make a normal (aliasing) flight with my target aircraft. When I
 found a nice situation, I pause fgfs, then press the snapshot key,
 and get a snapshot file, e.g ~/.fgfs/snapshot-KNID-A-10-1.xml
 (automatically inserting the nearest airport and aircraft, as well
 as an index number that prevents overwriting old files).

 Now I turn on full anti-aliasing, and run fgfs again with

   $ fgfs --aircraft=ufo ~/.fgfs/snapshot-KNID-A-10-1.xml

 And now the A-10 hangs there like it did in the prior run, and
 I can use the UFO to find a good viewing angle, good sun angle,
 good weather etc. With full antialiasing that's still sluggish,
 but workable.

 Here's the result of a quick test with the A-10 near KNID. It
 isn't spectacular, but you can see that there's full antialiasing
 and still a nice shadow effect. This would have been quite hard
 (though possible!) with a real A-10 flight.

   http://members.aon.at/mfranz/a10.jpg  [32.9 kB]

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] screenshots (and snapshots)

2007-12-14 Thread AnMaster

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I made some screenshots of A-10, A-6E, Lightning and Concorde. I uploaded them
to http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/flightgear/screenshots/1.0/ I might add more
if I get time.

The settings using in nvidia-settings:
Antialias: 4x, 9-tap Gaussian
Anisotropic Filtering: 8x
Texture Sharpening: Yes

All screenshots have been looselessly compressed with optipng before uploading
(http://optipng.sourceforge.net/) at max level.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 For a new release, especially one with version number 1.0, we
 should provide some new screenshots for the website. Normally,
 Curt would ask for that, but as he is/was away for a few days,
 I start with this reminder. Screenshots should ...
 
 - use maximum quality (antialiasing!)
 - disable gui parts (menu/frame rate counter, unless that's what
   you want to demonstrate, of course)
 - ideally (but not necessarily) show something that is new in this
   release: one of the aircraft shipped in the default package for
   the first time, or a new feature (or at least something that is
   in context with a new feature, so that a subscription text can
   explain the feature)
 
 Please don't just make random snapshots of random flights, but
 aim for a good view angle, appropriate weather effects (not only
 default weather, unless that's the most appropriate :-), ideal
 sun angle (shadow angle - self-shadowing), etc. Look at some
 of the last screenshots, most of which were quite good.
 
 The contents of a screenshot shouldn't be (totally) cheated. That
 is: one should be able to see the same scene with a default fgfs
 if the weather, daytime etc. is the same (and one has a graphics
 card good enough for real-time antialiasing). But some cheating is
 acceptable, if it follows this principle. It's OK to use terrain/objects
 that aren't in the default tiles (e.g. using KNID is fine), as
 long as that's available from Jon's ObjectDB. It's *not* OK to show,
 for example, a Jeep in a Hercules, as this isn't something we can
 do with a flyable Hercules.
 
 
 
 Unfortunately, my FX5500 isn't good enough for live antialiasing,
 so I use an acceptable cheating method: from a local key binding
 (Meta-d) I call a function dump_aircraft_snapshot() that saves
 a snapshot, similar to what ac_state.nas does. This allows me to
 make a normal (aliasing) flight with my target aircraft. When I
 found a nice situation, I pause fgfs, then press the snapshot key,
 and get a snapshot file, e.g ~/.fgfs/snapshot-KNID-A-10-1.xml
 (automatically inserting the nearest airport and aircraft, as well
 as an index number that prevents overwriting old files).
 
 Now I turn on full anti-aliasing, and run fgfs again with
 
   $ fgfs --aircraft=ufo ~/.fgfs/snapshot-KNID-A-10-1.xml
 
 And now the A-10 hangs there like it did in the prior run, and
 I can use the UFO to find a good viewing angle, good sun angle,
 good weather etc. With full antialiasing that's still sluggish,
 but workable.
 
 Here's the result of a quick test with the A-10 near KNID. It
 isn't spectacular, but you can see that there's full antialiasing
 and still a nice shadow effect. This would have been quite hard
 (though possible!) with a real A-10 flight.
 
   http://members.aon.at/mfranz/a10.jpg  [32.9 kB]
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] Asterisk-1.4 Debian packages? Where to find?

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I hope this won't stop non-debian users again?

By the way I notice you keep a compiled fgcom in svn of fgcom, however that
cause problems for 64-bit users. When we run make the svn one gets overwritten
(of course). But when the fgcom executable in svn is updated svn will of course
generate a collision. I find it rather pointless to keep a binary in the svn and
it is irritating having to clean up the conflicts all the time. If you added it
by mistake I'd suggest svn help propset: svn:ignore - A newline separated
list of file patterns to ignore.

/A. Norlander

Holger Wirtz wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 some kind of off-topic, but perhaps someone has an answer:
 I need to install Asterisk-1.4 for fgcom because the conference
 application (app_meetme.so) has the facility to mute all other users in
 a conference when one user is talking (first come - first serve). Thats
 more like radio communication (ok not really but better than a full
 duplex conference).
 
 I would like to try this but I won't compile the whole Asterisk package
 to avoid problems with the actually installed packages. But I cannot
 find such a packe for Debian _etch_. Does anyone have an entry for
 sources.list or a place where I can download the deb-package?
 
 Thanks, Holger
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

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Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 Modified Files:
  apt.dat.gz 
 Log Message:
 [...]
 Move/rotate Half Moon Bay (KHAF) taxiways to fit the realigned runway.
 
 Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. I've seen *many* runways where the
 visuals and the runway data aren't aligned. This fix is only
 KHAF-tutorial cosmetics.
 
 There are only two possibilities:
 - revert the old files (apt.dat.gz, and nav.dat.gz as well?)
 - generate and ship new scenery with v1.0
 
 Well, there's also
 - make FlightGear v1.0 the ultimate fgfs embarrassment (for which
   0-9/11 would have been a far better name  :-}
 
 m.
 
How long does scenery generation take? Because we really NEED it before release.

/A. Norlander
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[Flightgear-devel] BUG(S) with new(?) KSFO scenery in cvs

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I was flying at dawn in the new KSFO scenery in cvs. In general it looks nice
but the new lamp posts around KSFO look very odd at dawn. They are just black
boxes with some white patterns on then. Also I noted quite a few items out in
the water near runway 10L: Some lampposts and some rotating cisterns or 
something.

Further away (37*48 56.5N, -122*18 37.8W is what HUD said for ufo, should the
- really be there? Another bug?) there are some cranes out in the water.

Over all this new scenery is much nicer than before though. Some objects now out
in water should be adjusted mainly

Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Airports apt.dat.gz,1.7,1.8

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Durk Talsma wrote:
 On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:02, AnMaster wrote:
 Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 Modified Files:
apt.dat.gz
 Log Message:
 [...]

 Move/rotate Half Moon Bay (KHAF) taxiways to fit the realigned runway.
 Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. I've seen *many* runways where the
 visuals and the runway data aren't aligned. This fix is only
 KHAF-tutorial cosmetics.

 There are only two possibilities:
 - revert the old files (apt.dat.gz, and nav.dat.gz as well?)
 - generate and ship new scenery with v1.0

 Well, there's also
 - make FlightGear v1.0 the ultimate fgfs embarrassment (for which
   0-9/11 would have been a far better name  :-}

 m.
 My understanding is that a full world-wide scenery rebuild is taking place 
 right now, courtesy of the Custom Scenery Project. The purpose of the rebuild 
 is mainly to incorporate the latest apt.dat modifications and the latest 
 commits to the object database. Resolution of the scenery should be 
 approximately the same as the current scenery, but using the latest 
 improvements to terragear, recently made by Ralf Gerlich. 
 
Nice. Where can I get this scenery? As I run a terrasync mirror I need to be
able to download it to the server before the release to avoid problems. I guess
I would need about a day or so to download the new scenery to the server.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG(S) with new(?) KSFO scenery in cvs

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Morten Oesterlund Joergensen wrote:
 On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 19:39 +0100, AnMaster wrote:
 Also I noted quite a few items out in
 the water near runway 10L: Some lampposts and some rotating cisterns or 
 something.

 Further away (37*48 56.5N, -122*18 37.8W is what HUD said for ufo, should the
 - really be there? Another bug?) there are some cranes out in the water.

 Over all this new scenery is much nicer than before though. Some objects now 
 out
 in water should be adjusted mainly
 
 It sounds like some of the shared objects, I added to FlightGear Scenery
 Database months ago. I am quite sure that they are placed correctly, but
 that the terrain is wrong.
 
In either case they look bad where in the water. ;)

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bleriot - Sopwith Camel?

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Sounds good.

Durk Talsma wrote:
 Gentlemen,
 
 In light of some recently uncovered problems related to the bleriot, how 
 about 
 making a last minute decision to replace it with the sopwith camel? The 
 bleriot seemed to be a nice touch, as it was the oldest aircraft next to the 
 WrightFlyer. The sopwith, while being slightly newer and a few MBs larger 
 than the bleriot, seems to be a lot more mature. 
 
 I just checked the aircraft, and can confirm that it doesn't segfault by 
 switching on aircraft shadows.
 
 Cheers,
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[Flightgear-devel] SHOW BLOCKING BUG in new scenery

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With the updated scenery for KSFO start with --aircraft=Catalina-OSG, you will
end up several feet above water and fall down, crashing. The starting place
(anchor place?) should be adjusted to work.

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[Flightgear-devel] Updated Saitek X52 Pro joystick config

2007-12-12 Thread AnMaster

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Attached is an updated version (as a diff against cvs) of the Saitek X52 Pro
Flight Control System joystick config I made. I hope this can get into cvs
before release.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Input/Joysticks/Saitek/X52-pro.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -p -r1.1 X52-pro.xml
--- X52-pro.xml 4 Dec 2007 12:36:51 -   1.1
+++ X52-pro.xml 12 Dec 2007 21:41:45 -
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
   Based on X52.xml and Aviator.xml
   Modified by Arvid Norlander; 2007-12-03
 
-  This file is released under the GPL license.
+  This file is released under the GPL license version 2 or later.
 --
 
 !--
@@ -13,7 +13,8 @@ Common Axis/Buttons
  + Bottom stick hat:View directions (Increase/Decrease visibility 
 Zoom In/Out when shifted)
  + Throttle foreside hat:   Up/down: View cycles (Shift: flaps up/down). 
Left/right: Rudder trim
  + Throttle slider: Boost Control (if available)
- + Tirgger: Apply all brakes
+ + Trigger: Apply all brakes
+ + Trigger (fully pressed): Fire weapons
  + Fire button: Toggle parking brake
  + Stick button A:Gear up (Shift: gear down)
  + Stick button B:HUD master switch
@@ -22,33 +23,41 @@ Common Axis/Buttons
  + Throttle button D: Right brake
  + Throttle button E: Left brake
  + Throttle button i: PTT (Push to talk, for fgcom)
- + Throttle mouse button:   Start Selected Engine(s)
  + T1/T2:   Hook up/down (Increase/Decrease spoilers when 
shifted)
  + T3/T4:   Increase/Decrease slats
  + T5/T6:   Increase/Decrease Speedbrake 
(Increase/Decrease magneto when shifted)
 
+The modes below has been selected to provide generic functions even if there is
+no specific support for the current aircraft. Mode 3 is likely best if there is
+support for the aircraft in question.
+
 Mode 1: Propeller Aircraft
  + Top rotary dial: Mixture
  + Bottom rotary dial:  Prop Advance
- + Throttle mouse button:   Start Selected Engine(s)
 
 Mode 2: Jet Aircraft
  + Top rotary dial: Carb Heat
 
-Mode 3: Not implemented yet
+Mode 3: Aircraft specific.
+ Harrier:
+ + Throttle:
+   * Bottom rotary dial   Thrust vector
+ Lightning:
+ + Throttle:
+   * Shifted DBraking chute
 
 Linux Axis Numbers (no idea about window/mac ones, and they are not same as 
plain X52 axis numbers on linux at least):
-  0 Roll (positive == right)
-  1 Pitch (positive == down/back/nose-up)
-  2 Throttle (positive == back/down/idle)
-  3 Bottom rotary dial on the throttle (positive == CW)
-  4 Top rotary dial on the throttle (positive == CCW)
+  0 Roll ... (positive == right)
+  1 Pitch .. (positive == 
down/back/nose-up)
+  2 Throttle ... (positive == 
back/down/idle)
+  3 Bottom rotary dial on the throttle ... (positive == CW)
+  4 Top rotary dial on the throttle .. (positive == CCW)
   5 Rocker switch (rudder control) on the throttle (positive == right)
-  6 Slider on the throttle (positive == forward)
-  7 Lower right hat horizontal axis (positive == right)
-  8 Lower right hat vertical axis (positive == down (Mac positive is UP))
-  9 Mouse Y (positive = up)
-  10Mouse X (positive = right)
+  6 Slider on the throttle . (positive == forward)
+  7 Lower right hat horizontal axis  (positive == right)
+  8 Lower right hat vertical axis .. (positive == down)
+  9 Mouse Y (positive = up) (Please don't use this, some of us want to 
map this to mouse in X)
+  10Mouse X (positive = right)  (Please don't use this, some of us want to 
map this to mouse in X)
 
 Button Numbers (Probably identical b/w Linux/Windows/Mac):
  0  Trigger (half pressed)
@@ -65,7 +74,8 @@ Button Numbers (Probably identical b/w L
 11  T4
 12  T5
 13  T6
-15  Throttle mouse switch
+14  Trigger (fully pressed)
+15  Throttle mouse switch (Please don't use this, some of us want to map this 
to mouse in X)
 16  Throttle forefinger wheel scroll down
 17  Throttle forefinger wheel scroll up
 18  Throttle forefinger wheel click
@@ -89,6 +99,7 @@ Button Numbers (Probably identical b/w L
 36  MFD-select wheel below MFD up
 37  MFD-select wheel below MFD down
 38  MFD-select wheel below MFD click
+
 $Id: X52-pro.xml,v 1.1 2007-12-04 12:36:51 mfranz Exp $
 --
 PropertyList
@@ -109,6 +120,11 @@

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release issue: apt.dat and scenery version

2007-12-12 Thread AnMaster

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Yes this is very serious, for example the c172p start up tutorial placed me on
the side of the runway. And I have seen quite a few affected airports (don't
remember names sadly).

/A. Norlander

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Stuart Buchanan -- Wednesday 12 December 2007:
 attempting to start at Half-Moon Bay (KHAF) will place you off one
 side of the runway in the grass 
 
 This version mismatch also very likely breaks ILS approaches
 to lots of runways. (And more importantly: it breaks the glide
 slope tunnel visualization. ;-)
 
 m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] b1900d startup

2007-12-11 Thread AnMaster

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SydSandy wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:01:39 -0600
 Robert Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Monday 10 December 2007 07:44:27 pm SydSandy wrote:
 I think I finally found out why the b1900d is still running at startup...
 The condition lever is set to 1 in the TurbineEngine.cpp file , so it
 appears to override anything in the set file. Ive forced it to 0 in the
 system.nas file during fdm initialization , but then you hear the engines
 shutting down Anyone know of a way to override the engine condition
 property ?
 And while I'm on the subject of YASim , is there a way to increase reverse
 thrust effectiveness ? Cheers
 I was flying a jet and trying to find the reverse thruster key combo's by 
 looking through the docs and never did find it. It might be a good idea for 
 that to be in the aircraft help file of all the planes that have thrust 
 reversers.  
 
 The only aircraft I did that have reversers are the Cessna Citations , and I 
 use the Delete key to toggle reverse thrust ... I'm not sure what other 
 aircraft use ..
 Cheers
   
 
How does one map it to joystick correctly? I didn't find anything in
controls.nas or aircraft.nas for it


/AnMaster
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] B1900d engine sounds

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Will Harrison wrote:
 I had noticed the problem with the engine sounds a couple weeks ago, but now
 I have all the sounds again after a cvs update. I haven't noticed any issues
 with the avionics. You have to flip a switch to turn them on, maybe you just
 didn't notice it?

At least earlier it was a problem related to an empty directory that cvs
removed. It was needed by the b1900d. The empty directory in question is
Liveries, I placed a placeholder file in it locally. Probably some files
should actually go into it or it shouldn't be needed.

/A. Norlander
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[Flightgear-devel] [Fwd: Re: Harrier patch for fgfs!]

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I asked the original author of the harrier model if he was ok with my patch to
make the trust vector show up over MP.

Below is his reply (the mailing list didn't like when I attached it so I just
pasted his reply below, but if you want I could send the attached letter
directly to you).

Regards,

Arvid Norlander


- From - Sat Dec  8 23:51:06 2007
From: Steve Havlir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Harrier patch for fgfs! [Fwd: Re: [Flightgear-devel]
 multiplayer generic properties]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat,  8 Dec 2007 16:41:54 -0600 (CST)

I do not have a problem with someone making commits to the Harrier, as long as
it works :-)
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] B1900d engine sounds

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SydSandy wrote:
 On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:02:45 +0100
 AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
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 Will Harrison wrote:
 I had noticed the problem with the engine sounds a couple weeks ago, but now
 I have all the sounds again after a cvs update. I haven't noticed any issues
 with the avionics. You have to flip a switch to turn them on, maybe you just
 didn't notice it?
 At least earlier it was a problem related to an empty directory that cvs
 removed. It was needed by the b1900d. The empty directory in question is
 Liveries, I placed a placeholder file in it locally. Probably some files
 should actually go into it or it shouldn't be needed.

 
 No, the liveries are now in Models/Liveries , to stay consistant with other 
 models .But for some reason I can't remove empty folders from CVS ...
  Cheers
 SydSandy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Still removing that emtpy folder cause engines sounds to get lost here.

/A. Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google Earth scenery

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Gijs de Rooy wrote:
 Hi,
  
 I know there was/is a discussion about using real photo's as FlightGear 
 textures.
 Google Earth was one of the softwares that are usable for our scenery.
 We know the pictures are copyrighted, but we may use them in FlightGear 
 because:
  
 - FlightGear is non commercial software (non paid).
  
 And when we read this Google-quote we got the idea we may use the pics...
  
 You can personally use an image from the application (for example on your 
 website, 
 on a blog or in a word document) as long as you preserve the copyrights and 
 attributions 
 including the Google logo attribution. However, you cannot sell these to 
 others, provide 
 them as part of a service, or use them in a commercial product such as a book 
 or TV 
 show without first getting a rights clearance from Google.

As you can sell GPL software (for example sell CDs with it on) google's license
would not be GPL compatible I belive. But I'm not a lawyer.
  
 My English is not perfect so I may read these sentences on a wrong way. Please
 tell me if so.
  
 After all we just need someone who write Google to ask permission.
 Here's the aplication form: 
 http://services.google.com/permissions/application :)
 
 Cheers,
 Gijs
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[Flightgear-devel] Patch for Harrier: making it's thrust vector work over mp

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As the /sim/multiplayer/generic/float[0] to /sim/multiplayer/generic/float[9]
were recently added I decided to make use of this to make the nozzles of the
harrier correctly show the current thrust vector over multiplayer.

Attached is a patch to do this.

Also attached is mpsend.nas that should be placed in DATA/Aircraft/harrier/
(where DATA is the data checkout). As any Nasal subdirectory wasn't used before
I decided to follow the current standard for the harrier.

I have tested that the patch works as it should both locally and over mp.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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? harrier-thrust-vector.patch
? mpsend.nas
Index: harrier-set.xml
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/harrier/harrier-set.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.9
diff -u -p -r1.9 harrier-set.xml
--- harrier-set.xml 16 Jun 2007 00:48:31 -  1.9
+++ harrier-set.xml 8 Dec 2007 11:41:27 -
@@ -274,6 +274,18 @@
 hud
   fileAircraft/harrier/Panel/Hud/hud.nas/file
 /hud
+mpsend
+  fileAircraft/harrier/mpsend.nas/file
+/mpsend
   /nasal
-  
+
+  !-- Extra properties for MP --
+  sim n=0
+multiplay
+  generic
+!-- Thrust vector --
+float n=0 type=double0.0/float
+  /generic
+/multiplay
+  /sim
 /PropertyList
Index: Models/harrier-model.xml
===
RCS file: 
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/harrier/Models/harrier-model.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -p -r1.3 harrier-model.xml
--- Models/harrier-model.xml24 Aug 2006 22:29:17 -  1.3
+++ Models/harrier-model.xml8 Dec 2007 11:41:28 -
@@ -460,7 +460,7 @@
typerotate/type
object-nameLFNozzle/object-name
object-nameRFNozzle/object-name  
-   property/controls/engines/engine/mixture/property
+   propertysim/multiplay/generic/float[0]/property
factor-100/factor
offset-deg98/offset-deg
center
@@ -478,7 +478,7 @@
typerotate/type
object-nameLRNozzle/object-name
object-nameRRNozzle/object-name  
-   property/controls/engines/engine/mixture/property
+   propertysim/multiplay/generic/float[0]/property
factor-100/factor
offset-deg98/offset-deg
center
@@ -608,7 +608,7 @@
animation
typerotate/type
object-nameVectorLever/object-name   
-   propertycontrols/engines/engine/mixture/property
+   propertysim/multiplay/generic/float[0]/property
factor45/factor
offset-deg-25/offset-deg
center
@@ -631,7 +631,7 @@
condition
or
equals
-   
property/sim/weight[7]/selected/property
+   
propertysim/weight[7]/selected/property
valueRefueling Boom Attached/value
/equals
not
@@ -667,7 +667,7 @@
object-nameintakeDoor/object-name   
condition   
greater-than
-   
property/controls/engines/engine/mixture/property
+   
propertysim/multiplay/generic/float[0]/property
value0.7/value
/greater-than
/condition
# This file is used to copy some properties to send over mp.


# Copy the thrust vectory to a property that can be sent over MP.
setlistener(/controls/engines/engine/mixture, func(n) {
setprop(/sim/multiplay/generic/float[0], n.getValue());
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiplayer generic properties

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Yes, I already made a patch (see [Flightgear-devel] Patch for Harrier: making
it's thrust vector work over mp) for the harrier that makes use of this :)

And I can think of several other aircrafts that could make use of this. For
example position lights/anti-collision lights of some aircrafts. Would make
formation flying in the dark over mp simpler.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 After Maik has clued me up about multiplayer properties -- that
 only those are transmitted, which actually exist at init time
 (which is why they need to be defined in the *-set.xml file),
 it was time to add some generic properties for internal communication.
 That is: properties which aren't dedicated to a particular
 function, but can be used by an aircraft to send data to its
 mirror instances over MP.
 
 There are for now:
   /sim/multiplay/generic/string[0-9]
   /sim/multiplay/generic/float[0-9]
   /sim/multiplay/generic/int[0-9]
 
 Of course, this should be used sparingly. If you need to transmit
 a path, don't transmit the full path, but only the parts that are
 really necessary. For example, the bo105 will only transmit foo,
 when it actually means Aircraft/bo105/Models/Variants/foo.xml.
 The prefix and the .xml postfix will be stripped. There's still
 the possibility to transmit ../../foo if for some reason I want
 to refer to a file elsewhere. (I didn't add double/long/bool, as
 they would be transmitted as float/int/int, anyway.)
 
 In one of the next protocol revisions, we won't have to transmit
 these single-shot properties in every package (, I hope :-). 
 
 m.  
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[Flightgear-devel] Patch for issue with tu154 over mp

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If you see a tu154 multiplayer from your own aircraft's cockpit view it will
lack fuselage, if you change to external view you will see the fuselage. This
was caused by tu154 using absolute property paths. Here is a patch to fix this.


Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Index: Models/main-ai.xml
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/tu154/Models/main-ai.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -p -r1.1 main-ai.xml
--- Models/main-ai.xml  1 Jul 2004 14:09:32 -   1.1
+++ Models/main-ai.xml  8 Dec 2007 10:43:14 -
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-nameball/object-name
-  property/orientation/roll-deg/property
+  propertyorientation/roll-deg/property
   center
x-m-0.042/x-m
y-m0/y-m
@@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-nameball/object-name
-  property/orientation/pitch-deg/property
+  propertyorientation/pitch-deg/property
   center
x-m-0.042/x-m
y-m0/y-m
@@ -38,7 +38,7 @@
  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-namerollarrow/object-name
-  property/orientation/roll-deg/property
+  propertyorientation/roll-deg/property
   axis
x1/x
y0/y
Index: Models/rud1.xml
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/tu154/Models/rud1.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -p -r1.1 rud1.xml
--- Models/rud1.xml 1 Jul 2004 14:09:32 -   1.1
+++ Models/rud1.xml 8 Dec 2007 10:43:14 -
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-namerud/object-name
-  property/controls/engines/engine[0]/throttle/property
+  propertycontrols/engines/engine[0]/throttle/property
   factor36/factor
   axis
x0/x
Index: Models/rud2.xml
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/tu154/Models/rud2.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -p -r1.1 rud2.xml
--- Models/rud2.xml 1 Jul 2004 14:09:32 -   1.1
+++ Models/rud2.xml 8 Dec 2007 10:43:14 -
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-namerud/object-name
-  property/controls/engines/engine[1]/throttle/property
+  propertycontrols/engines/engine[1]/throttle/property
   factor36/factor
   axis
x0/x
Index: Models/rud3.xml
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/tu154/Models/rud3.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -p -r1.1 rud3.xml
--- Models/rud3.xml 1 Jul 2004 14:09:32 -   1.1
+++ Models/rud3.xml 8 Dec 2007 10:43:14 -
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
  animation
   typerotate/type
   object-namerud/object-name
-  property/controls/engines/engine[2]/throttle/property
+  propertycontrols/engines/engine[2]/throttle/property
   factor36/factor
   axis
x0/x
Index: Models/tu154B.xml
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/tu154/Models/tu154B.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -p -r1.4 tu154B.xml
--- Models/tu154B.xml   10 Jul 2007 17:10:46 -  1.4
+++ Models/tu154B.xml   8 Dec 2007 10:43:15 -
@@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ Tupolev 154B-2 model/animation config.
   condition
not
 equals
- property/sim/current-view/view-number/property
+ propertysim/current-view/view-number/property
  value0/value
 /equals
/not
@@ -1930,7 +1930,7 @@ Tupolev 154B-2 model/animation config.
   typeselect/type
   object-nameBeaconFlasher/object-name
   condition
-   property/controls/lighting/beacon/property
+   propertycontrols/lighting/beacon/property
   /condition
  /animation
 
@@ -1940,7 +1940,7 @@ Tupolev 154B-2 model/animation config.
   object-nameRightNavLightOff/object-name
   condition
not
-property/controls/lighting/nav-lights/property
+propertycontrols/lighting/nav-lights/property
/not
   /condition
  /animation
@@ -1950,7 +1950,7 @@ Tupolev 154B-2 model/animation config.
   object-nameLeftNavLightOn/object-name
   object-nameRightNavLightOn/object-name
   condition
-property/controls/lighting/nav-lights/property
+propertycontrols/lighting/nav-lights/property
   /condition
  /animation
 
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[Flightgear-devel] Catalina problems

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Today I tried --aircraft=Catalina-OSG with OSG, I had not used it for a few
weeks. However I ended up in an aircraft without textures and these errors in
the console.

osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture btextu99.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture F4U7-PanelFond.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture Ailes.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture QueueDG.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture Capot-moteur.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture Nez.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture alt3d-cadran.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture hi3d-cadran.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture par3d-cadran.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture Jaune-noir.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture rpm.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture asi2-nord.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture blanc-rouge.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture AISpherev2.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture attitude5.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture digit.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture minus.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture alt3d-cadran.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture digit-r.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture Jaune-noir.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture mp-osi.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture turn3d-niveau.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture hi3d-cadran.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture hi3d-fond.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture blanc-rouge.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture vsi-6.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture F4U7-Moteur-huile-temp.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture F4U7-Moteur-fuel-press.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture F4U7-Moteur-oil-press.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture tank-pby_lo.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture blanc-rouge.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture textupilote.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture face.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture Pilote-Casque.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture F4U7-Moteur.rgb
osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture p38-prop1.rgb
  Model Author:  Author Name
  Creation Date: Creation Date
  Version:   Version
  Description:   Models a PBY-5 and 6
Chat [*FGMS*] Welcome to hugin - Gothenburg, Sweden


But at lease some of these textures exist:
~/src/flightgear/data/Aircraft/PBY-Catalina $ find . -iname btextu99.rgb
./Models/Textures/texture-protcivil/btextu99.rgb


So what is going on. I'm using latest CVS source and data (CVS HEAD)


Regards

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] multiplayer generic properties

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Vivian Meazza wrote:
 Anders has a really neat bit-mask utility which allows the transmission of
 up to 32 bools in one int property - much neater for light switches and the
 like.
 
 Vivian
 
 P.S. - by tradition we bottom-post on the devel list

However for those aircrafts that I considered for lights they were not on/off
but had birghtness setting too, check the A-10 and A-6E for example.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Catalina problems

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gerard robin wrote:
 On sam 8 décembre 2007, you wrote:
 Today I tried --aircraft=Catalina-OSG with OSG, I had not used it for a few
 weeks. However I ended up in an aircraft without textures and these errors
 in the console.
 SNIP
 osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture Pilote-Casque.rgb
 osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture F4U7-Moteur.rgb
 osgDB ac3d reader: could not find texture p38-prop1.rgb
   Model Author:  Author Name
   Creation Date: Creation Date
   Version:   Version
   Description:   Models a PBY-5 and 6
 Chat [*FGMS*] Welcome to hugin - Gothenburg, Sweden


 But at lease some of these textures exist:
 ~/src/flightgear/data/Aircraft/PBY-Catalina $ find . -iname btextu99.rgb
 ./Models/Textures/texture-protcivil/btextu99.rgb


 So what is going on. I'm using latest CVS source and data (CVS HEAD)


 Regards

 Arvid Norlander
 
 To me working working right = FG_OSG  nov-29  built with OSG stable 2.2
I use FG_OSG CVS as of today with OSG stable 2.2.

Regards,

Arvid Norlander
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] landing gear control

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Robert Black wrote:
 On Wednesday 05 December 2007 12:15:49 am SydSandy wrote:
 Ok I have another one 
  Can we add a /controls/gear/gear-lever-lock to prevent accidental 
 raising
 gear while on the ground , on aircraft that have this feature ? The key
 bindings can be over ridden , but there's also joystick configurations to
 consider , so the best place to add this would be the controls.nas routine
 itself... It could simply be added as a bool in the set file of any
 aircraft that needs it ... Cheers
 
 I like the way the Aerostar Super 700 handles the gear. It is one of the only 
 planes that does not crash you if you accidently raise the gear on the 
 ground. It is pretty disappointing to set everything up for a flight and then 
 hit the gear button on the joystick instead of flaps.
I don't think the lightning does either. May be because of needed voltage 
however.
/AnMaster
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] nonzero turbulence set by Preferences.xml?

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Wouldn't turning the turbulence down make other FDMs less realistic?

Also if JSBSim autopilots are affected, how come autolanding with Concorde while
turbulence is enabled (but no crosswind) works perfectly? Concorde uses JSBSim
after all...

/AnMaster

Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Laurence Vanek -- Friday 07 December 2007:
 Although I like realistic flight my ILS approaches we very unstable with 
 the turb values given in the Preferences.xml file [...]
 
 But, but ... some have just told us that we shouldn't make it too
 easy, or fgfs will be perceived as a toy. So I'd rather turn the
 values *up*.
 
 m.  :-P
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[Flightgear-devel] Weird recent nasal problem

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I wanted a button to turn off/on HUD on my joystick so I took a look at the
keyboard binding for it:
 key n=104
  nameh/name
  descHUD Master Switch/desc
  binding
   commandnasal/command
   scriptaircraft.HUD.cycle_color()/script
  /binding
 /key

Now I tried to insert that in my joystick config:
!-- Button B --
button n=3
descHUD Master Switch/desc
binding
commandnasal/command
scriptaircraft.HUD.cycle_color()/script
/binding
/button

Yet I get this for button:
Nasal runtime error: No such member: HUD
  at /input/joysticks/js/button[3]/binding, line 1


While the keyboard binding works fine.


Any idea what could cause this?

By the way this problem happens in both osg and plib and it worked just 2 days
ago in both.

Regards,

AnMaster
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Downloading and Quality

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Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 On Dec 8, 2007, at 5:01 AM, SydSandy wrote:
 Quite a few of the aircraft currently use the following scale:

 - alpha
 - beta
 - early-production
 - production

 (snip)
 I agree with most of the discussion , but the above scale means  
 nothing to me , it doesn't give ME any indication of what I'm  
 downloading  it only means something from an authors point of  
 view , IMHO.
 Im trying to think as a user  :)
 I do agree that we need something more informative .
 
 
 
 What about the following perspectives?
 
 1. Flight model stability (at least flyable without easily noticeable  
 weird behaviors)
That would cause a lot of less experienced users to think ground loops with tail
dragers = weird behaviour. And even for experienced users, some plane had
weird behaviour in reality.

 2. 3D model completeness (at least shape is acceptable, textured, and  
 gears are animated)
That should be easier to check.

 3. Instruments completeness (it doesn't have to be 3D but should be  
 working properly, most of instruments should be implemented)
 4. Interior completeness (at least cockpit room, throttle, canopy are  
 implemented)
 
 We still need to know how to rate aircraft objectively using these  
 perspectives.
 
 Considering authenticity is a big problem to me. for 3D model,  
 Instruments and interior,
 some people can rate aircraft, but for Flight model, I have no idea  
 how to rate especially historical aircraft
 since there exists few data or aircraft itself.
Indeed.

However some issues are clear. Autopilot not working well (like altitude hold on
787) are very likely a problem in aircraft model for example and not a quirk
with the real aircraft.

/AnMaster

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Downloading and Quality

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SydSandy wrote:
 On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:39:53 + (GMT)
 Stuart Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- AJ MacLeod wrote:
 I agree that we need a better indication of state of completion for the 
 models on the downloads page, but as far as I can see it will have to be a 
 very basic overview.  I'm not a fan of simplistic star ratings, but if 
 the 
 stars are for degree of completion and every star has a well-defined 
 meaning, 
 the idea might well have some merit (merely as a rough indication of what 
 to 
 expect).
 Quite a few of the aircraft currently use the following scale:

 - alpha
 - beta
 - early-production
 - production

 which I think is fairly easy to understand for users, and fit in with the 
 basic
 software model of improvement over time. However, as others have pointed 
 out, we
 need a better definition for what each of these mean.

 
 I agree with most of the discussion , but the above scale means nothing to me 
 , it doesn't give ME any indication of what I'm downloading  it only 
 means something from an authors point of view , IMHO.
 Im trying to think as a user  :)
 I do agree that we need something more informative .
 Cheers
Just an idea:

A rating system for users. (Please rate this aircraft after you tried it for a
bit!) However we can't know how well the users know how it should be. Maybe we
should ask them if they are pilots/if the flew that aircraft in reality.




/AnMaster
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] X-52 Pro joystick configuration