Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: CVS simgear : error during compilation
Hi guys, I can't get FGv099 working despite all the help that Georg has provided out-of-forum. I suspect it might be a video card problem as I'm only using a 32Mbyte GF2 MX card and I suspect the new features demand more video memory than is available. I am trying to get a 0.5-1.0Ghz PIII, 512Mbyte, Nvidia 512Mbyte, 7200rpm HDD, Win 98SE/(*nix) dual boot PC sorted with Santa :-) Still flying on FGv098a and updating scenery around my locale and will look at depositing it back into the project in the New Year. Seasons Greetings to all Dene From: Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: CVS simgear : error during compilation Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:19:59 +0100 Hi Vivian, thankyou for your reply. But you misunderstood me. I personally have absolutely no problem with the new FlightGear version 0.9.9 and also CVS compiling is generally no problem. And if, I always got help from the developers. This might be due to the hardware combination I have, luckily! :-) But there seem to be a lot of people not to be able to run version 0.9.9 but 0.9.8 works fine on their PCs. It does not boot up or crashes immediately. There has been a render texture problem discussed, I don't know whether the general problem is related to this. And I did not realize that the FG 0.9.9 does not start but FG 0.9.8 works fine problem has been solved until now. May be I missed something. BTW, Dene are you still one of those users with problems? Dene was one of those who even showed up here on the list, no secret therefore. It is only that I am thinking there is a hidden general problem, we have not analyzed until now. And this would be a real show stopper for a 1.0.0 version! The only thing we could do *now* is to create downloadable new binaries for different O/S and ask *many* people to test them. We should not be satisfied if the inner circle of developers and some users have actually no problems, let us do test on a wider base! Regards Georg EDDW Vivian Meazza schrieb: 0.9.9 windows installed here, and worked right out of the box, as did fgrun. Fgrun needed a little updating to make it work a bit better with MP; Fred did that, and it's fine now. I don't see any bug reports here or on the devel list. It also compiled and ran right out of the box under Cygwin. If it hadn't everyone would have certainly heard about it from me. What's your beef? Perhaps we could help if you told us the problem. Vivian ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Suggestions welcomed for choosing a Joystick
I use a Saitek ST50 (really cheap here in New Zealand). It has no rudder control so I have to use the num pad 0 Enter for the rotor control. I keep crashing too but only started flying a helicopter about 2 weeks ago. My suggestion (not based on an awful lot of experience) is for a joystick with 2 additonal analogue controls, 1 for collective and 1 for rotor control. I can't suggest a brand or model that would suit though Cheers Dene From: MPCEE French Bureau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: user discussions FlightGear flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: [Flightgear-users] Suggestions welcomed for choosing a Joystick Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:22:58 +0100 Hello All: An open and just question:- What make and model of aircraft simulator joystick is suitable for WindowsXP and Linux? It would also be interesting to know your own experiences with the one that you use. My wife has decided that she has had enough of my using partially arthritic fingers, along with the noise of the crash when the helicopter goes down! Thank you Martin ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: Custom sceneries and new a/c, are there any? Comments.
Hi, I'm a new user to flight gear, still trying to get to grips with things. I have a couple of questions: Can only speak to FGv098a as I can't get 099 running yet (working to provide developers some meaningful feedback) also anly applies to Win32 1, how do i find the aircraft carrier? in 098a its just (1.9Nm) off KSFO, you have to enable AI scenarios and imitz in preferences.xml 2, how can i import new objects into FG scenery? http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/placing_static.html many thanks in advance, tom hodson ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: CVS simgear : error during compilation
Hi mate, I'm a user not a developer. I'm very aware, being a newbie, that any comments I make are going to be superficial from a system perspective. I was under the impression that the Devel forum was for informed, and system aware discussion. I don't feel I can communicate on either of these levels. (hell, som of the user discussion is over my head!!!) I have asked for help in the user forum and have had signficant help from Georg (heliflyer) but we've reached a dead end. Hi Dene, Hi guys, I can't get FGv099 working despite all the help that Georg has provided out-of-forum. Once again, if you want the developers to help you, your best bet is to tell the developers: post where they're most likely to see it, which is in flightgear-devel, rather than flightgear-users. Developers do come here, but not in as great numbers, and they're less likely to read everything (particularly something buried deep in an existing thread like this one). When you post there, provide useful information. This: I suspect it might be a video card problem as I'm only using a 32Mbyte GF2 MX card and I suspect the new features demand more video memory than is available. I am trying to get a 0.5-1.0Ghz PIII, 512Mbyte, Nvidia 512Mbyte, 7200rpm HDD, Win 98SE/(*nix) dual boot PC sorted with Santa :-) is all useful information, but this I can't get FGv099 working isn't. You need to tell people exactly what the problem is, in detail. How does it fail? What do you try to do, and what happens? Otherwise, the developers won't be able to reproduce the problem; and without being able to reproduce it, it's nearly impossible to fix, since it could be anything. If you can, *please* take a look at: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html It is an absolutely fabulous (and not *too* long) essay on how to report bugs -- how to give the developers what they need to solve the problem. -c I have read the link above (7 lines :-)) and have understood it. I'll try a post to Devel. Thanks Dene _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Building Fences
I would like to put a fence around my local airport. Intuitively I would start by building a 3-D model of a fence (say wire-mesh) of some nominal length (say 5-10m). Then place multiple instances of this fence around the airport. A few issues arise with this approach; 1) on even a short airport (2000m) it would take 200 instances to go down one side and over 400 instance to surround such an airport when using 10m sections. Surely this would place an unacceptable load on the graphics processes. 2) placing over 400 instances around an airport would be VERY time consuming (and VERY boring ) My thoughts on static objects (or even AI objects) is that as the distance from the airport grows so does the size of the object grow to become noticable eg placing vehicles on roads 9Nm from an airport is pointless, placing a crash tender on the airport is worthwhile. Little details like Control Towers, fences, wind socks, LLZ antennae etc that are on the airport would add alot, but at a greater distance things like tall buildings and radio towers are all that are needed. My question: How would you (anyone with ideas) put a fence around an airport? Dene _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Building Fences
I would like to put a fence around my local airport. Intuitively I would start by building a 3-D model of a fence (say wire-mesh) of some nominal length (say 5-10m). Then place multiple instances of this fence around the airport. A few issues arise with this approach; 1) on even a short airport (2000m) it would take 200 instances to go down one side and over 400 instance to surround such an airport when using 10m sections. Surely this would place an unacceptable load on the graphics processes. 2) placing over 400 instances around an airport would be VERY time consuming (and VERY boring ) My thoughts on static objects (or even AI objects) is that as the distance from the airport grows so does the size of the object grow to become noticable eg placing vehicles on roads 9Nm from an airport is pointless, placing a crash tender on the airport is worthwhile. Little details like Control Towers, fences, wind socks, LLZ antennae etc that are on the airport would add alot, but at a greater distance things like tall buildings and radio towers are all that are needed. My question: How would you (anyone with ideas) put a fence around an airport? Dene _ Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Building Fences
dene maxwell wrote: I would like to put a fence around my local airport. Intuitively I would start by building a 3-D model of a fence (say wire-mesh) of some nominal length (say 5-10m). Then place multiple instances of this fence around the airport. A few issues arise with this approach; 1) on even a short airport (2000m) it would take 200 instances to go down one side and over 400 instance to surround such an airport when using 10m sections. Surely this would place an unacceptable load on the graphics processes. 2) placing over 400 instances around an airport would be VERY time consuming (and VERY boring ) My thoughts on static objects (or even AI objects) is that as the distance from the airport grows so does the size of the object grow to become noticable eg placing vehicles on roads 9Nm from an airport is pointless, placing a crash tender on the airport is worthwhile. Little details like Control Towers, fences, wind socks, LLZ antennae etc that are on the airport would add alot, but at a greater distance things like tall buildings and radio towers are all that are needed. My question: How would you (anyone with ideas) put a fence around an airport? Dene _ Hi there ... I did CYVR airport as an ac3d model it worked fairly well , why not do it that way ? Hi Being relatively new to modelling I have a few questions; a) Was your fence wire-mesh and do you have a wire-mesh texture? b) I was under the impression when using ac3d model is had predefined dimensions. Even you stretched the length it would distort the texture? c) did you create fences of different lengths to cater for the different lengths required around the airport? Dene _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Helicopter Controls
I'm going to give a helicopter a try. I understand the physics of a helicopter, the rotor provides downward thrust and the speed and pitch of the rotor control the amount of thrust and because of the torque of the main rotor a tail rotor is needed. this gives the impresion there are alot of this to control. Iintuatively I'd say the joystick is used for direction control, the throttle is for engine speed. What controls pitch and tail rotor? A url to some basic flight instructions would be appreciated and/or keyboard mappings for the other important controls. Any recommendations on a nice forgiving model to try first time? :-) Dene _ Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Helicopter Controls
Le dimanche 11 décembre 2005 à 11:24 +1300, dene maxwell a écrit : I'm going to give a helicopter a try. I understand the physics of a helicopter, the rotor provides downward thrust and the speed and pitch of the rotor control the amount of thrust and because of the torque of the main rotor a tail rotor is needed. this gives the impresion there are alot of this to control. Iintuatively I'd say the joystick is used for direction control, the throttle is for engine speed. What controls pitch and tail rotor? A url to some basic flight instructions would be appreciated and/or keyboard mappings for the other important controls. Hi, Thanks for the recommendation, downloading now :-) What controls pitch and tail rotor? A url to some basic flight instructions would be appreciated and/or keyboard mappings for the other important controls. regards, Dene _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Helicopter Controls
Well, the basic breakdown goes like this: cyclic (joystick): Controls the pitch of the rotor disk (not the fuselage though) by changing the pitch of individual blades as they go around. This changes how much lateral thrust there is and what direction it is pointed in. collective (throttle): Controls the pitch of all the rotor blades, and thus the amount of lift. FADEC or throttle (located on the collective): Controls engine power and thus rotor RPM, which should remain constant while flying. pedals: Control tail rotor/fenstron pitch or the air gates on systems like NOTAR, and subsequently yaw. Hi Josh Ah, this is the clue I think I needed trying to fly with auto-coordination on would explain why i'm hearing alot of that sickening crash and view the runway lying on my side? Regards Dene _ Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Helicopter Controls
It takes a lot of practice, and I suspect that it is harder to fly a helo sim than a real helo, though I don't know. Luckily YASim has a pretty simple helo model so a lot of the really nasty stuff just doesn't happen. The biggest problem that I have had is dynamic rollover. I have also found that external views are a lot easier to learn with, and shadows are a must since there is no other way to gauge exact altitude near the ground. Hi Josh, thanks for the helo exercises, I have successively (not elegantly) taken off flown out to about 5Nm and flown back and landed. You're right, hover is really tricky. A few observations though; (in the Euro-copter) a) the throttle works in reverse (what would be flat out in a cessna is actually minimum in the Euro-copter) hence my almost landing in the middle of the harbour. b) the FG dsocumentation is wrong regarding rudder. It's not 0 ,, but0 and Enter on the numeric keypad. apart from that it was really neat fun. Thanks for your help. Regards Dene _ Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Building Fences
Hi Syd, Getting a pic of a wire-mesh texture is not a problem in NZ ( we invented Hurricane wire fencing!!). Does AC3D format support transparent/opaque appearances that would allow wire-mesh fences to behave (lighting/shadows etc) realistically? Regards Dene _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Building Fences
Thanks Ampere, don't want a transparent fence to be the cause of a fatal air accident :-). Would this be compounded per instances of a transparent fence (ie 200x 10m sections would be 200 times the problem of a 1x 2000m section)? Regards Dene From: Ampere K. Hardraade [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Building Fences Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:17:09 -0500 On December 10, 2005 09:39 pm, dene maxwell wrote: Hi Syd, Getting a pic of a wire-mesh texture is not a problem in NZ ( we invented Hurricane wire fencing!!). Does AC3D format support transparent/opaque appearances that would allow wire-mesh fences to behave (lighting/shadows etc) realistically? Regards Dene Becareful when using transparency in your texture, because it can cause a huge performance decrease. Ampere ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] New nVidia drivers!
Hi, We have a nvidia GeForce2 MX video card running under Windows (98) ME does this driver upgarde apply to me since you're on Linux? Hello to All, Upgrading my GeForce2 Linux box to the new x86-1.0-8174 nVidia drivers was worth the job. Cheers, Eric _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] AI Flight Plans for objects other than a/c
I noticed in the documentation that a/c can be loaded as part of a AI sim and given a flight plan, presumably this means, take from here, vector to here then vector to there,. then land. The scenario I have in mind is a ferry that plies between two ports and is a major landmark on flights between those two cities. For more realisim I would like to model the ferry then load it into an AI sim that goes something like from here vector to (a), then vector to (b)..then from (z) turn around and repeat in reverse,then from (a) repeat. ie start here then go back and forwards on a non-direct course for ever. Possible? (in 098a?) Dene _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] AI Flight Plans for objects other than a/c
On Saturday 03 December 2005 03:11 am, dene maxwell wrote:
I noticed in the documentation that a/c can be loaded as part of a AI
sim
and given a flight plan, presumably this means, take from here, vector
to
here then vector to there,. then land.
The scenario I have in mind is a ferry that plies between two ports and
is
a major landmark on flights between those two cities. For more
realisim I
would like to model the ferry then load it into an AI sim that goes
something like from here vector to (a), then vector to (b)..then
from
(z) turn around and repeat in reverse,then from (a) repeat. ie start
here then go back and forwards on a non-direct course for ever.
This was meant to be available for AI ships, but is not yet implemented.
From
AIShip.cxx:
void FGAIShip::ProcessFlightPlan(double dt) {
// not implemented yet
}
The hooks are there, just nothing is done yet. I don't think it would be
too
hard to add. It will work just like in FGAIAircraft.
Dave
Sounds like it might be worth brushing up on 3d modelling and getting a
ferry built!.
Thanks Dave
Cheers
Dene
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Re: [Flightgear-users] AI Flight Plans for objects other than a/c
On Saturday 03 December 2005 11:42 am, dene maxwell wrote: Sounds like it might be worth brushing up on 3d modelling and getting a ferry built!. A couple caveats: This might not be done until after FG 1.0, depending on the strictness of the feature freeze, and the ship FDM might not (probably will not) be able to handle some ship-like maneuvers like 3-point turns, docking, etc. Dave It'll most probably take me 'til after FGv1.0.0 to come to grips with Blender ;-) I'm sure that the realism added by having it steam across the harbour and executing a 180 for the return trip will suffice. I'm more interested in flying than being capitain of a ferry :-) Cheers Dene _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Adding roads to scenery
Hi I've read up the documentation in the Modeller Scenery part of Flightgear Wiki (great site by-the-way) and looked through the various FG folders and have concluded that roads are not Models or scenery but textures. I've got a handle on how to determine location and from there the tile concerned. How do I add the missing roads around my local airport? Cheers Dene _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Adding roads to scenery
How do I add the missing roads around my local airport? Make changes to the terrain mesh with FGSD if you like. You will end up with something like http://www.geocities.com/robitabu/fgfs_pa/fgsd_palermo.html Roberto Thanks for that. I have looked around for the FGSD win32 executable, I found the source code that needed cygwin to compile it on Google. Where can I get the win32 executable (or install file)? PS FGSD_palermo shows the principle of FGSD very well. Even though I did not understand the associated text, I got the idea. Dene _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Adding roads to scenery
From: Frederic Bouvier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Selon dene maxwell : How do I add the missing roads around my local airport? Make changes to the terrain mesh with FGSD if you like. You will end up with something like http://www.geocities.com/robitabu/fgfs_pa/fgsd_palermo.html Roberto Thanks for that. I have looked around for the FGSD win32 executable, I found the source code that needed cygwin to compile it on Google. Where can I get the win32 executable (or install file)? FGSD is hosted here : http://fgsd.sourceforge.net There is a Win32 installable binary here : http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=45131package_id=37798release_id=337614 PS FGSD_palermo shows the principle of FGSD very well. Even though I did not understand the associated text, I got the idea. -Fred Thank you Fred, The download numbers were interesting, would suggest win32 is a more popular platform than I was led to believe ;- Once I've modified the scenery I'd like to be able to offer it back for everyone to enjoy..do you know or can suggest the best way to do this? Dene _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] apt.dat.gz versus scenery 0.9.9 which is the good one ?
I know how Gerard feels, I posted over the weekend and got no replies... I reposted in haste and regretted mt haste when I realised it had been a holiday weekend in the states (Thanks Giving)... Of course other people have lives...but alls well that end's well eh? Dene From: Gerard ROBIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] apt.dat.gz versus scenery 0.9.9 which is the good one ? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:50:32 +0100 Le mardi 29 novembre 2005 à 13:36 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Thanks for that late answer, i am patient , that was never explained. when we ask for explanation, we get nothing. :=( You posted about it re: 0.9.8, but lots of airports were sketchy with 0.9.8 and things were intended to be fixed in 0.9.9. Unfortunately, that didn't work out because of unexpected problems. Your first post pointing out that LFPO (and others) were messed up in the 0.9.9 scenery was only a day ago. It's not uncommon, on this and other mailing lists, to have to wait for several days, or even a week or more, to get a response to a question -- people are busy. In most of the mailing lists to which I'm subscribed, the mailing list guidelines/netiquette advice suggests waiting a week or two before reposting questions that didn't get a reply. -c Sorry to go against your opinion, fortunately the during same period i gave that information an other thread about error in airport data was animated. and some specific manager where there to discuss. No feedback on my side, !!? Your remark does not suit to that specific case. Sorry for you. -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Plan C..Whats the best *nix? .. (was FG Wiz Logging File)
Georg is helping me use FGTools to isolate the problem, sorry about the desperation I felt and took out on the user group... I hear all these neat things about v099 but can't :-( experience them) Thanks for taking it in good humour Dene From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Plan C..Whats the best *nix? .. (was FG Wiz Logging File) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:07:28 + Hi. I haven't been able to answer your question about logging because 1. I didn't understand your original question; 2. I don't use Windows and your second question was about running FG in Windows. I'm not aware of a way of forcing output to a file, but there's tons of stuff in FGFS that I'm not aware of. Like you suggested, in Linux, my route for this sort of thing is via an output redirect (well, stdout + stderr redirects). Which brings me to . . . 3. Your question about the best *nix is completely subjective. Wars have been fought for less, and holy wars with less conviction. So I'll answer by saying whichever one you like the most. -c ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Carrier Deck (v098a)
From: Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: 'FlightGear user discussions' flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] Carrier Deck (v098a) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:09:24 - dene maxwell Hi guys, I placed Nimitz (v098a) in my local harbour (Wellington, New Zealand) at -41.246433 LAT, 174.886783 LONG, heading 198. The took off from NZWN on runway 34. Very enjoyable flight except the deck of the Nimitz under FGv098a doesn't seem solid. Was only using the Cessna 172P does this make a difference? encourage you to try this scenario... see a bit of New Zealand too...LOL. Cheers Dene From: Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: carriers Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:19:25 +0100 MPCEE French Bureau schrieb: Hello Georg: Thank you for this offer and, yes, I would like to be able to use it. As for no response, It was more like not understanding. Martin, I have to excuse for my very bad English, *you* were not meant with this as we always worked good together and solved your problems :-) It was more a general problem with offers to the user public, forget about .. Can I place the Nimitz in European waters? Yes, I placed it near Bremerhaven (EDWB) though it might be a little narrow for such a big ship: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/Martin/FGSnSh120001.jpg (and I ruined the engines of the BO105 when taking this snapshot as I overtorqued them to get quick into the right position :-/ ) You may place the carrier anywhere you like it: This is a cut out of niemitz_demo.xml with the *Lat/Lon* of Bremerhaven and the right *heading*: ... solidElevator-3-Deck/solid solidElevator-4-Deck/solid latitude53.57/latitude longitude8.48/longitude speed10/speed heading300/heading rudder0/rudder turn-radius-ft4000/turn-radius-ft flols-pos ... Under Windows you should edit the XML file with right-mouse-click- open with - word pad mfc if you don't have a xml-editor. Search for latitude ... and edit the numbers. It is easy. But as already mentioned you have to prepare the preferences.xml file, see the other mails you have got from helpful souls. More to come this late evening. Regards Georg The solid carrier deck was not and is still not implemented for JBSim Models. It should work for YASim models. Why on earth are you still using that old version - upgrades are totally free, and as far as I know work (albeit with some bugs and limitations) on all systems. Vivian Old version? of what? Plane? FG or both? FGv099 won't work on my system (win 98Me/GF2 MX)...have posted a few times but still waiting for some assistance.. Limited to 098a until someone can help me. 172P, good solid AC that flys well ...what's the difference(JBSim/YASim)? I take it YASim is newer, more bells whistles and encounters a solid flight deck!!! LOL... what's your recommendation for a low altitude, low speed AC? The Piper Cub ain't bad either!!! ( Fly pasts only so far) Dene ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] 0.9.9 FPS drop, just reporting
Hi Eric, What would be interesting is to kill each process in turn and find the one that has the greatest effect then compare notes with other ME users. A reboot in between each iteration may make it a more valid test to minimise the effect of memory leaks etc. Cheers Dene From: Eric Brasseur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] 0.9.9 FPS drop, just reporting Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:24:11 +0100 dene maxwell wrote: When ever I run FG on ME I kill all processes except Explorer and Systray (Before starting FG obviously :-) Cheers Dene Superb! What happens is the FPS drops and hickups keep happening yet they are less severe, enough to keep the plane pilotable. In 1280x1024 mode the FPS dropped down to 3 FPS while now it drops only to 7 FPS. In 640x480 mode far less problems occur (or they became unnoticeable). I go mention that in my tutorial right now. Thanks Dene, Eric ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Looking for love? Check out XtraMSN Personals http://xtramsn.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=channeltcid=200731 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Frames/Second and Hardware survey
Thanks Eric, Excuse my ignorance, what's FOV? Dene From: Eric Brasseur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Frames/Second and Hardware survey Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:53:40 +0100 dene maxwell wrote: How do i find what FPS i'm running under windows/FGv098a? Type *h* to get the HUD then *I* to get the other HUD, which displays the FPS down left. Cycle *H* and *h* to get optimal color and brightness. Eric fgfs-screen-001.gif ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Frames/Second and Hardware survey
Hi Eric Further to FPS, I'm running FGv098a on ME. 1.8Ghz P4, 256M RAM, GF2 MX 32Mbyte. Killing all processes (Virus Protection, Firewall, CD writer wizard, Printer Toolbox, enhanced keyboard) except Systray, Explorer, wkcalrem,devldr16, loadqm. Running Fairchild A10 @ 300kts, I get 60fps over water, drops to 40-60fps over land with hits down to 10fps getting more and more frequent until the Autopilot is unable to recover and I eventually crash. Running the Piper Cheerokee @ 114kts I get 30fps over water. When I swap views (all alternate views) this rises to 60fps. Presumably the hits in frame rate aren't so severe the Autopilot can't recover as I manage to complete the 198nm flight. Keep in mind though that these experiences are on 098a as I can't get 099 to run despite posts (unanswered) for help. Cheers Dene From: Eric Brasseur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Frames/Second and Hardware survey Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:53:40 +0100 dene maxwell wrote: How do i find what FPS i'm running under windows/FGv098a? Type *h* to get the HUD then *I* to get the other HUD, which displays the FPS down left. Cycle *H* and *h* to get optimal color and brightness. Eric fgfs-screen-001.gif ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Aerol Info. Pub. ..(was error in airport data)
Hi, This raises an interesting question, here in New Zealand and Australia we have public sites that Aeronautical Information Publications can be downloaded from. These consist of approach templates, Operation Data etc. Do other countries have similar sites? I feel this might be a handy resource to have available through the FG home page, if not the links them selves then at least a database of the URLs. any comments? See: http://www.aip.net.nz/ http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/publications/aip.asp Regards Dene From: Carsten Hoefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] error in airport data Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:54:37 +0100 Andy Ross schrieb: Carsten Hoefer wrote: when I start Flightgear at EDDF my plane is allways positioned at the end of runway 36. Unfortunately there is no runway 36. There is a runway 18, but it is only used in one direction (18). Is this the airport? : http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=50.025718,8.555946spn=0.093349,0.166992t=k Google doesn't have enough photo resolution in this area to read the numbers on the south end of the runway, but it certainly looks from the layout like runway 36 should be usable and marked, even if normal operations never use the northbound direction. I've never heard of a unidirectional runway... Andy ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d Yes it's this airport. I do live next to it and any plane starting on 36 would fly directly over my flat. The official airport site states, that runway 18 is only allowed in this direction. Here is some additional information (unfortunately in german - sorry): - http://www.fraport.de/cms/infoservice_fluglaerm/rubrik/2/[EMAIL PROTECTED] You may alo click on Routenbelegung in the navigation. - http://www.dfs.de/dfs/internet/deutsch/index.html (click on STANLY Track) Carsten ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Frames/Second and Hardware survey
No wonder it stays at 55 the entire flight..:- thanks Dene From: Gerard ROBIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Frames/Second and Hardware survey Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:01:52 +0100 Le mardi 29 novembre 2005 à 06:45 +1300, dene maxwell a écrit : Thanks Eric, Excuse my ignorance, what's FOV? Dene Every questions are clever questions, FOV= field of view Cheers -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] 0.9.9 FPS drop, just reporting
From experience, if you are testing under 98Me, check the task manager ctrl-alt-del for a process called msnappau... I've found it really knocks the stuffing outta ME (not that its hard to do). If you use MSN chat this process seems to be registered in the start part of the registry (can't remember the exact key) and loaded at startup. Looking forward to hearing how it goes Cheers Dene From: Eric Brasseur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] 0.9.9 FPS drop, just reporting Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:39:54 +0100 Larry wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 01:25:32PM +0200, Vassilii Khachaturov wrote: The problem occurs when making steep and wide turns. Once it starts, it needs several seconds to heal, even if flying straight. The resolution changes nothing. Only the drop will be a little less severe. At first I thought a lower resolution solves the problem and the FPS drops just become short hickups. This is wrong. The hickups seem to be another problem. Did you try lowering the LOD ranges? On a similar platform on linux, esp. with various eye candy such as the 3d clouds, I must lower them to escape the jitter you describe. Are you running any fancy things on the desktop? I have gkrellm running and had the same hiccups but killing gkrellm fixed it. I checked the toolbar and the process list. Nothing special. Spartan environment. I didn't install anything except a few very standard and quite system-humble softwares. Correct flights sometimes occur, only in 800x600 mode (frequent and awful short freezes in 640x480). The feeling I get is the 3D real time rendering factory inside my PC is a complex infrastructure with lots of buffers, potential hardware and software bottlenecks and many good idea optimizations to get more triangles on the screen. Now the optimization of the Windows Me and/or nVidia drivers system was made for a given kind of video games. While FlightGear version 0.9.9 was optimized for another 3D rendering factory build and optimized a different way... That's the highway to hangs and freezes. The solution would be to find common grounds between all factories. (It seems FlightGear gets the closest to the supposedly ideal video game intended when in 800x600 resolution...) Eric ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Is Nimitz in FGv098a
I've had a quick look in the Nimitz_Demo.xml file to find a location and came up with Lat and Long that put only about 1.8NM from KSFO (true bearing 040) latitude37.63/latitude longitude-122.34/longitude can't find it there though. I did enable AI in the FG Wizard. TIA Dene _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Is Nimitz in FGv098a
Thanks Gerard, Worked a treat, by the time I got lined up in Cessna 172P, the Nimitz was steaming through what I take to be the suburbs of SF. Mind you the T bars make it easy for a reasonable approach for a novice like me. Thanks again Dene From: Gerard ROBIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Is Nimitz in FGv098a Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:15:19 +0100 Le dimanche 27 novembre 2005 à 11:31 +1300, dene maxwell a écrit : I've had a quick look in the Nimitz_Demo.xml file to find a location and came up with Lat and Long that put only about 1.8NM from KSFO (true bearing 040) latitude37.63/latitude longitude-122.34/longitude can't find it there though. I did enable AI in the FG Wizard. TIA Dene Are you sure , you have enabled scenario nimitz_demo.xml In preference.xml it must be uncommented. -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] FG Wiz Logging File
OK will try a different approach anyone know how I can capture all the fgfs window outputto a file, typically I would try and find the fgfs.bat file and pipe the output to a log file eg: FGFS c:\flightgear\FGFS.LOG or similar? I can then ask someone else that is having better success running FGv099 under Win ME to provide a successful startup log file. TIA Dene From: dene maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: [Flightgear-users] FG Wiz Logging File Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:05:38 +1300 Hey, Has anyone read this?...some feedback would be nice!...get lost...hmmm interesting...looking into it...oh Sh$# really? I have read the readme.logging file under docs but am really none the wiser. I gather I have to specify a property to log but during startup what property am I looking at. I have looked in the preferences.xml and found the logging section and enabled that but still no FG_Log.csv anywhere. one thing that increasing the level of logging did though was to increase the lucidity of the FGFS dos window so now I get; Read texture texture Read transformation transformation Read transformation transformation Read transformation transformation Read layer handle Done reading instrument Flaps Control Reading instrument Magnetic Compass Read layer Compass Float (magic) No type supplied for layer face assuming texture Read texture texture Read layer face Done reading instrument Magnetic Compass Done reading panel instruments Loading stars from C:/Program Files/FlightGear099/data/Astro/stars Loaded 850 stars initializing cloud layers texture = texture = texture = texture = texture = texture = Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... Possible cause: No error does this mean anything to anyone? Dene Dene _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Closing fgfs' window segfaults
No argument from me... my apps always call the CleanUp_and_Exit routine from every event that the user might beable to invoke a shutdown from. Oh except that Task Manager End Task option. haven't found away to intercept that yet(under some circumstances anyway)but that's a discussion for the microsoft user groups...lol Dene From: wwp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Closing fgfs' window segfaults Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:24:00 +0100 Hello dene, On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:56:17 +1300 dene maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Just an observation from a windows programmer (amateur) its not wise to close a window if a close/exit option is given particularly in an Object Oriented environment. shutting a program down without destroying the objectrs that have been created can cause all sorts of memory problems. Well :-). The [X] button is there so the user can make use of it, and there are ways to think it's still interesting to get it here even if the app has a menu/quit (if the app is buggy and doesn't quit, or in order to forcibly quit for any reason). And since the program gets the appropriate signal when such button is pressed, it's up to the programmers to do things cleanly. But it also means that the system itself might ask for the program to close by sending a signal (close: as supposed cleanly, if possible). One would say, if you don't want me to click that button, hide/remove it ;-). Regards, From: wwp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Closing fgfs' window segfaults Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:13:51 +0100 Hello AJ, On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:53:40 + AJ MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 24 November 2005 12:17, wwp wrote: I've noticed that closing fgfs's window always produces a segfault (GNU/Linux), whereas leaving from the menus doesn't. Does it happen _every_ time you close the fgfs window? I've experienced the same thing maybe one in 30-50 times I try it, and having discussed it a few times on IRC it seems others have also found the same thing. Say.. I tried 7 times, and got it 7 times. I tried both while fgfs is loading or after the load is completed (and ready to play). Unfortunately, in my case it doesn't just segfault but actually causes the X server to do an instant restart making debugging rather more tricky. Eheh, good reason to avoid crashing it :-). I had been reluctant to report it here without being able to find out more about the cause - I was suspicious of the nvidia drivers but you're obviously using an ATI card so the problem must affect both. Yep, a Dell laptop running FC3 and the latest ATI fglrx drivers. As a postscript, I can't recall this happening since switching to SDL from freeglut in the last month or so - I'll make a point of trying to make fgfs misbehave now to check :-) Is there an easy way to build fgfs w/ debug option (I must admit that I didn't look at it yet, but I will, soon), such as ./configure --enable-debug? So that I report bull bt? Regards, -- wwp ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d -- wwp ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] How to compile FG CVS on Win32 (prev.FGv9.9andFGTools)
Jeez Innis! That'd tie up the phone for a month!!! It'd even blow most of the Broadband quotas I have access to. Is there a place/site that'll burn a cd(s) and post them (overseas) that I can investigate? Dene From: Innis Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] How to compile FG CVS on Win32 (prev.FGv9.9andFGTools) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:49:42 +0800 Hi Dene I dont think you want to know. When I went through the exercise a couple of years ago I think it weighed in at just under a Gig but others here who use it will be able to give you a closer figure. There is another option called Mingw but you would need to find who is using it.Same as Cygwin but lighter. Cheers Innis dene maxwell writes Hi Kevin Thanks for the positive reply and the encouragement. How big is Cygwin?...it'll determine my download strategy. (tie up the household phoen for hours or call in a favour from a broadband friend...LOL Dene ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
I've seen alot of discussion on graphics cards and their suitability for FG. dedicated boxes seem to be the preferred way to go so I've been looking at graphics cards as a place to start. A couple of questions; What's the significance of AGP? Has anyone had any experience with the GF MX4000 cards? Dene _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] FG Wiz Logging File
I have read the readme.logging file under docs but am really none the wiser. I gather I have to specify a property to log but during startup what property am I looking at. I have looked in the preferences.xml and found the logging section and enabled that but still no FG_Log.csv anywhere. One thing that increasing the level of logging did though was to increase the lucidity of the FGFS dos window so now I get; Read texture texture Read transformation transformation Read transformation transformation Read transformation transformation Read layer handle Done reading instrument Flaps Control Reading instrument Magnetic Compass Read layer Compass Float (magic) No type supplied for layer face assuming texture Read texture texture Read layer face Done reading instrument Magnetic Compass Done reading panel instruments Loading stars from C:/Program Files/FlightGear099/data/Astro/stars Loaded 850 stars initializing cloud layers texture = texture = texture = texture = texture = texture = Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... Possible cause: No error does this mean anything to anyone? Dene _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
Have been looking at ex-lease/corporate PCs. These are typically Compaq, HP or IBM with no AGP but PCI, 128Mbyte RAM, 10-20G HDD. Also investigating a TradeMe site that might have more home/multimedia type PCs. At the moment there is a 933Mhz P3 with GF4 AGP graphics the current bid is $NZ101. Dene From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:47:00 + since i'm aiming at a 0.7-1Ghz P3 motherboard, it's more likely that it'll be PCI? Are you buying used? You may have a hard time finding a P3 motherboard new these days. Anyway, P3 motherboards typically had AGP 2x or AGP 4x. -c ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
Thanks for the input...I'll pose this question...on the same platform but with a 6000 series card what improvement in frame rate would you anticipate? Dene From: syd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:37:27 -0800 dene maxwell wrote: I've seen alot of discussion on graphics cards and their suitability for FG. dedicated boxes seem to be the preferred way to go so I've been looking at graphics cards as a place to start. A couple of questions; What's the significance of AGP? Has anyone had any experience with the GF MX4000 cards? Dene Hi there Im running a AMD Athalon 1.1 gig using a GF MX4000 , and I average about 25 to 30 fps , depending on scenery detail, in Flightgear . I would have preferred a better card but was limited to a budget. But it does the job . Syd ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] FG Wiz Logging File
Hey, Has anyone read this?...some feedback would be nice!...get lost...hmmm interesting...looking into it...oh Sh$# really? I have read the readme.logging file under docs but am really none the wiser. I gather I have to specify a property to log but during startup what property am I looking at. I have looked in the preferences.xml and found the logging section and enabled that but still no FG_Log.csv anywhere. one thing that increasing the level of logging did though was to increase the lucidity of the FGFS dos window so now I get; Read texture texture Read transformation transformation Read transformation transformation Read transformation transformation Read layer handle Done reading instrument Flaps Control Reading instrument Magnetic Compass Read layer Compass Float (magic) No type supplied for layer face assuming texture Read texture texture Read layer face Done reading instrument Magnetic Compass Done reading panel instruments Loading stars from C:/Program Files/FlightGear099/data/Astro/stars Loaded 850 stars initializing cloud layers texture = texture = texture = texture = texture = texture = Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... Possible cause: No error does this mean anything to anyone? Dene Dene _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
LOL. what OS are you running? Chip set would also be interesting? Dene From: syd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:05:17 -0800 dene maxwell wrote: Thanks for the input...I'll pose this question...on the same platform but with a 6000 series card what improvement in frame rate would you anticipate? Dene From: syd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:37:27 -0800 dene maxwell wrote: I've seen alot of discussion on graphics cards and their suitability for FG. dedicated boxes seem to be the preferred way to go so I've been looking at graphics cards as a place to start. A couple of questions; What's the significance of AGP? Has anyone had any experience with the GF MX4000 cards? Dene Hi there Im running a AMD Athalon 1.1 gig using a GF MX4000 , and I average about 25 to 30 fps , depending on scenery detail, in Flightgear . I would have preferred a better card but was limited to a budget. But it does the job . Syd ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d Hi again ... Im not what improvements I'd get ... but I'd sure love to try :) ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
Thanks Gerard, Just so I understand; 6600GT AGP video card with 128k vram FG resolution 1400x1050 (with atlas) resulting frame rate is 30 to 100 fps but you'd like 256k main or video memory? what m/b chipset and OS are you running? Dene From: Gerard ROBIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:07:17 +0100 Le samedi 26 novembre 2005 à 14:42 +1300, dene maxwell a écrit : Thanks for the input...I'll pose this question...on the same platform but with a 6000 series card what improvement in frame rate would you anticipate? Dene Hello, Only an information I do have A 6600GT AGP with 128K mem GPU 500 MHZ MEM 900MHZ Running FG 1400X1050 and Atlas I get from 30 to 100 fps. I cannot use full anti aliasing only x2 (more the FPS decrease) To be comfortable with others applications mem 256K would have been better. Cheers -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
Thanks Gerard, I will be running win 98se but your input about the improvement from 5000 series to 6000 series is interesting. What interface was the 5200, AGP,PCI-E or PCI? Dene From: Gerard ROBIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:26:06 +0100 Le samedi 26 novembre 2005 à 15:10 +1300, dene maxwell a écrit : Thanks Gerard, Just so I understand; 6600GT AGP video card with 128k vram FG resolution 1400x1050 (with atlas) resulting frame rate is 30 to 100 fps but you'd like 256k main or video memory? what m/b chipset and OS are you running? Dene Dene OS Linux, CPU Athlon 3200 about memory i am not sure it is significant above 1 Gb i do have 3 Gb I had before a graphic card Nvidia 5200 the performances are multiplied by X 2.5 Cheers -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Looking for love? Check out XtraMSN Personals http://xtramsn.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=channeltcid=200731 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
This gets more interesting all the time!..:-) 500W PSU minimum nvidia 6000 series video with 256k vram AGP x8 that's your recommendation? Dene From: Gerard ROBIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:40:10 +0100 Le samedi 26 novembre 2005 à 03:26 +0100, Gerard ROBIN a écrit : Le samedi 26 novembre 2005 à 15:10 +1300, dene maxwell a écrit : Thanks Gerard, Just so I understand; 6600GT AGP video card with 128k vram FG resolution 1400x1050 (with atlas) resulting frame rate is 30 to 100 fps but you'd like 256k main or video memory? what m/b chipset and OS are you running? Dene Dene OS Linux, CPU Athlon 3200 about memory i am not sure it is significant above 1 Gb i do have 3 Gb I had before a graphic card Nvidia 5200 the performances are multiplied by X 2.5 Cheers In addition I should have 256k Video Mem That card is AGPX8 That card needs more electric power, you must buy a minimum of 500 watts supply. -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG
Ok, given i'll be 98se, going with 5000 series agp with as much system ram as i can afford will give the best performance I can expect? comparison of athalon and intel chipsets is pointless but i'm settled on intel chips because i've always used them. thanks Gerard...your input has been very valuable I only wish I could get this sort of info from a Win user but it is early time yet... maybe tomorrow. Thanks Heaps Dene From: Gerard ROBIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphics Cards for FG Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:51:31 +0100 Le samedi 26 novembre 2005 à 15:39 +1300, dene maxwell a écrit : Thanks Gerard, I will be running win 98se but your input about the improvement from 5000 series to 6000 series is interesting. What interface was the 5200, AGP,PCI-E or PCI? Dene Hello Dene PCI-E is new and very costly. And we cannot upgrade an existing computer. 5200 is AGP and as far i remember it was X8 with 128k video mem , i don't remember frequencies (i only remember i did overclocked it) With 98se you are limited with main memory , it is working up to 1Gb not more. Cheers -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - CVS - WIN32 Compiling
Hi Christian, I'm quite familiar with the concept of compling having a history of writing programs and compiling in Fortran (Portran), Turbo Pascal and most recently Visual Basic 6. In particular, I like Visual Studios IDE (Integrated Development Environment) having used it for VB6. The missing link seems to be from CVS to C++ source code. (I would prefer a CVS to VB source converter as I am familiar with VB :-))? Regards Dene From: Christian Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:54:42 +0100 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 dene maxwell schrieb: OK...I'll ask the obvious question that most newbies are probably afraid to ask under windowsm how do we run CVS files? I take it that this involves a cvs-win32 compliler, what and where do we need to get? I don't know how much experience you have with compiling programms so I'll try to give you some very basic ideas: The bleeding edge source code lives in a versioning system (the CVS repository). This allows us to compare different versions, develop on it on the same time, etc. pp. To get the source code out of the CVS you need a CVS client. My currently preferred program for that is TortoiseCVS, located at: http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ Once you've installed it, you can use the anonymous CVS from FlightGear. The unix/cygwin centric instructions are on page http://www.flightgear.org/cvs/anoncvs.html The relevant information is basicly that the CVSROOT is :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 and the modules you want are source and - on a later run - data There's also an description for Windows and WinCVS (an other CVS client) on the homepage: http://www.flightgear.org/cvs/WinCVS.html But it seems to be too outdated (it's from 1998...) So now you should have the source code. The now missing part is an C++ compiler. Either go with cygwin as all other posts told you, or go to Microsoft and get their Visual Studio C++ compiler (it's most basic version should be free to download and bring everything else you need to compile FGFS). CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDhfBSlhWtxOxWNFcRAkOzAJ9JLkqzGGsl75bjOguk5CXRF2gdwQCgtWXz yvRxwAsr05zxDKt5kd83Svg= =YyjQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - CVS -WIN32 Compiling
Ok, I think you just put the missing line on a plate for me. I have done a bit of C++, but find that for my causal use I forget more in between sessions than I remember. That's why I stick to VB, the opposite is true, I remember more than I forget and so can make forward progress. Hence I don't think I would be a very productive developer unless I spent every spare moment developing ( do I need to spell out what my partner would say about that!!!) :-) Still, I can find my way through C++ code and might be able to provide more vaulable input to those that can develop solutions. But,as you say unless I'm prepared to fork out for VS C++ i'm left with learning a new compiler... and I gather there are windows based open source alternatives to VS C++ thanks for your time Dene From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - CVS -WIN32 Compiling Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:13:01 + I'm quite familiar with the concept of compling having a history of writing programs and compiling in Fortran (Portran), Turbo Pascal and most recently Visual Basic 6. In particular, I like Visual Studios IDE (Integrated Development Environment) having used it for VB6. The missing link seems to be from CVS to C++ source code. CVS is not a programming language; you don't convert CVS anything to C++ source code. CVS is a software application, used in a client-server fashion (i.e. there's a CVS server, and users interact with the CVS server by running their own CVS client programs . . .sorta like how you use a web browser (the client) to interact with webservers). What CVS is used for is to archive/store source code, and in particular keep track of all the changes that have been made to that source code. Developers use CVS to manage all the source code for a particular project: people can check out a copy of the source code, build executables from it, run it, make changes, build it, run it, make changes, etc., and when they're done, submit their changes back to the server. CVS makes managing the code and its versions/changes easy (well, easier, anyway); it also helps handle situations such as when two people are working on the same chunk of code at the same time, and want to submit changes to a file that don't necessarily mesh well. When people talk about building FlightGear from CVS, what that means is using a CVS client (for example, if you're on Windows, you can use WinCVS) to check out a copy of the FlightGear project from the FlightGear CVS server. Once you've done that, you have a source tree for FlightGear -- a bunch of directories/folders, subdirectories, etc., all full of the C++ source code files that FlightGear is built from. You can then proceed to build the FlightGear executable from that CVS version of the source code using whatever C++ compiler you have; the actual details of building FGFS depends upon OS/setup, and I'm not a Windows person so I'd have to stop here. -c ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Closing fgfs' window segfaults
Hi guys, Just an observation from a windows programmer (amateur) its not wise to close a window if a close/exit option is given particularly in an Object Oriented environment. shutting a program down without destroying the objectrs that have been created can cause all sorts of memory problems. in the programs I write I always have a routine associated with the menu-file-exit action that goes through each class of object used and destroys each instance of every class used. Cheers Dene From: wwp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Closing fgfs' window segfaults Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:13:51 +0100 Hello AJ, On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:53:40 + AJ MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 24 November 2005 12:17, wwp wrote: I've noticed that closing fgfs's window always produces a segfault (GNU/Linux), whereas leaving from the menus doesn't. Does it happen _every_ time you close the fgfs window? I've experienced the same thing maybe one in 30-50 times I try it, and having discussed it a few times on IRC it seems others have also found the same thing. Say.. I tried 7 times, and got it 7 times. I tried both while fgfs is loading or after the load is completed (and ready to play). Unfortunately, in my case it doesn't just segfault but actually causes the X server to do an instant restart making debugging rather more tricky. Eheh, good reason to avoid crashing it :-). I had been reluctant to report it here without being able to find out more about the cause - I was suspicious of the nvidia drivers but you're obviously using an ATI card so the problem must affect both. Yep, a Dell laptop running FC3 and the latest ATI fglrx drivers. As a postscript, I can't recall this happening since switching to SDL from freeglut in the last month or so - I'll make a point of trying to make fgfs misbehave now to check :-) Is there an easy way to build fgfs w/ debug option (I must admit that I didn't look at it yet, but I will, soon), such as ./configure --enable-debug? So that I report bull bt? Regards, -- wwp ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Concorde Over Nimitz
Just opened the link in Firefox 1.0.7 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7 Win 98SE, 166 P1 GREAT makes me even hungrier to get 0.9.9 up and running Dene From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Concorde Over Nimitz Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:41:57 + Le jeudi 24 novembre 2005 à 15:37 +0100, MPCEE French Bureau a écrit : Hello All: The first over pass! When it is possible to have the instant replay, keeping Nimitz within the replay, I will take some more shots of a virtual landing for the FG Album. http://www.mpcee.com/concordeovernimitz.htm Enjoy! Martin Oh sorry, i get nothing, but a blank page That's what I got too. So I looked at the page source, and it looks like it's an HTML file that was generated by MS Word, and MS Word is inserting a non-standards-compliant stylesheet into the page. I expect IE handles it just fine, but a non-Microsoft browser is likely to choke on it (which is MS's intent). If you view the page source and look towards the bottom, you'll see a path to the image itself; you can then point your browser at that image to see it. Cheers, -c ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] How to compile FG CVS on Win32 (prev. FGv9.9 andFGTools)
Hi Kevin Thanks for the positive reply and the encouragement. How big is Cygwin?...it'll determine my download strategy. (tie up the household phoen for hours or call in a favour from a broadband friend...LOL Dene From: Kevin Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: [Flightgear-users] How to compile FG CVS on Win32 (prev. FGv9.9 andFGTools) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:12:57 + Dene, under windowsm how do we run CVS files? I take it that this involves a cvs-win32 compliler, what and where do we need to get? There are a couple of ways to create a Win32 executable from the CVS source. The free way is to use Cygwin (a Unix-style shell for WIndows). I recently wrote a tutorial document about how to download, install and use Cygwin to create an FG Win32 executable. The quick route to the document is this link (the slow route is to go to the FG home page, click Documentation on the left, scroll down to the Tutorials section and you'll find the reference there): http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/Tutorials/fg_cygwin/fgfs_cygwin.pdf An alternative route is to purchase the MSVC compiler. I'm told you'll get a better execuatable from MSVC. Cygwin will create an executable with slightly slower frame rates but, on a half decent PC, I haven't found this to be a problem. I'm happy to support this document. It needs a chapter specific to the recent 0.9.9 source release and, if you learn any new information or gotchas, then contact me directly and I'll add the details. I'll quickly add that the doc is simply my attempt to encapsulate all of the build information that was already scattered in these forums. Good luck, Kevin. ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] FG Wiz Logging File
Where does the wizard put the log file and what is it called please? I wanna find out why I can't get 0.9.9 to startup and the log file might help find out why. Win Me, 1.8Ghz P4, GF2 MX 32mbyte Cheers Dene _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools
OK...I'll ask the obvious question that most newbies are probably afraid to ask under windowsm how do we run CVS files? I take it that this involves a cvs-win32 compliler, what and where do we need to get? Dene From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:46:03 -0600 Georg Vollnhals wrote: Hi Christian, I have to address this to Martin and those who have problems as *I* am lucky with *no* problems at all. When Martin told me about his problems with FG 0.9.9 and asked whether it could be related to the FGTools program I only remembered the mails of other users within the last day. So, Martin, Rodrigo, Felipe and Ampere - could you please answer Christian? Thank you. For what it's worth v0.9.9 runs fine on all three windows machines I have access to (admitedly all nvidia based.) One is a laptop, one is a low end desktop, and the 3rd is a mid-to-lower range desktop. No doubt we are trying to use more advanced graphics calls in this release, but apparently none of the active developers run the affected hardware so these problems were not caught. Apparently the number of people staying current with cvs is very small. That's too bad. It's a bit of work, but if more people stayed current with CVS it would really help catch these things before releases. Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: AW: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch
Just a couple of things Innis; 0.9.8a started fine and worked within a few minor limitations (long flights over land in fast a/c seemed to make the autopilot lose a grip at about 2 hours). and The PC is running Me. As this is my partners PC and she gets would have a fit if I started changing this like OS or hardware. I am searching for a reasonably priced approx 1Ghz, p3 machine I can play with for this (OS and hardware) I have noted some comments about a compatibility table or minimum/recommended platform being available. This would really be handy for people looking to get a dedicated box for FG. Cheers Dene From: Innis Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: RE: AW: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:10:02 +0800 Hello Dene I have done some testing on a very old box today and all I can say is it is a problem with the graphics card or your operating system or both.It is certainly not the speed of your machine. In light of this thread I loaded windows 98se onto a 2 gig drive on a PII 400Mhz machine took my Nvidia FX 5200 card out of my main machine and installed it in the 400 Mhz machine and loaded up the drivers which included direct X 9. I then installed FG 9.5a,FG 9.8 and FG 9.9 in that order using the uninstall program each time to remove a version before installing the next version. Every time FG loaded,with 9.8 and 9.9 it took almost 6 mins to load but once loaded it worked even if it froze from time to time.It never crashed. My advice would be to beg borrow or steal(no not realy) an aleast GF4 MX420 or better and install it and see what happens as it is a GF4 MX420 that I use on my 850 Mhz and 9.9 seems to be running ok on that although it does also freeze momentairly some times.Maybe it is getting near to the end of its usefull life to. If we want all the bells and whistles then there is a price to pay. When I first started with FG if you used a texture greater than 512x512 for a whole aircraft it was unusuall but now I see 4 or 5 texture sheets of 1024x1024 or bigger. dene maxwell writes I tried about 20 combinations of aircraft/airports/runways and no joy...still crashes at exactly the same place ( just see the generating sky elements message then bang, back to the wizard). Disabled all the features eg clouds totally, AI, enhanced effects etc another suggestion I had was to disable the Nimitz Demo, I take it that this is where you do it (extract from preferences.xml); ai enabled type=boolfalse/enabled !-- scenarionimitz_demo/scenario -- !-- scenarioaircraft_demo/scenario -- /ai no difference ... guess I just wait 'til there's either a fix or more information requested to help the resolution effort. Dene Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou
it contains what looks like hex dumps interspersed with some file names that are FG related. If this isn't the appropriate file where does FG log too? Dene From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:52:20 -0600 dene maxwell wrote: Hi Curt, Is c:\windows\applog\fgfs.lgc the right file to look at? That file comes out at 54kbyte on my attempt to startup. Contains alot hex numbers, who is this going to be useful to? I have no knowledge of that file. Does it contain FG related messages? Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools
Agree whole-heartedly, if i'd stuck with 0.9.8a and installed 0.9.9 as a beta test program I could have still enjoyed the occassional bit of flying and also delved into (and learnt more with a view to perhaps eventually contributing constructively to) the workings of FGFS. Just look at the contributions in the various threads, there are a wealth of people wanting to make this the best FS out ( not saying its not already!!!) Cheers Dene From: Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:37:10 +0100 Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Benno Schulenberg wrote: Might I suggest doing releases more often? Maybe every two months (like for the Linux kernel) is a bit much, but every three of four months would be nice. Those of us who have the abilities to compile and create packages can release a weekly binary snapshot of the CVS. CVS-snapshots won't do, I think. Most of the normal users will only install something when they've seen a version number go up. Look at K3b or amaroK: they have releases just about every month. In my opinion that is the way to go: treat all of the userbase as betatesters. Those that want stability can simply stay with a version that works well for them. Is it really that much work to make a release, Curt? When once all is scripted and such? Having more timely releases would also bring FlightGear to the frontpages more often, attracting probably some more users... Benno ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: AW: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch
From: Innis Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: RE: AW: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:51:10 +0800 Hi Dene dene maxwell writes Just a couple of things Innis; 0.9.8a started fine and worked within a few minor limitations (long flights over land in fast a/c seemed to make the autopilot lose a grip at about 2 hours). This is not a totally new problem Durk Talsma found a year or so ago that the sim would crash after a couple of hours on longhaul flights but he was testing between Amsterdam and the states and I thought that the problem was fixed, Durk?. It seems that most of the problems come back to the graphics card and anyone not using a Nvidia card of around GF4 -400 series or better.See the problems the guys using high end ATI cards are having.While not wishing to be a walking advert for Nvidia a casual look through the FG archives would say if you use anything else in FG you may get trouble Almost predictable flying the A10 from Sydney(Aust) to Brisbane(Aust) funny thing, could head out to sea, fly north then headin and land (any landing you can walk away from is a good landing) no probs. and The PC is running Me. It may not be helping but I also notice some people using XP have problems from time to time As this is my partners PC and she gets would have a fit if I started changing this like OS or hardware. Get her hooked on some graphics intensive game and then casually mention that a better graphics card would help.:-) I am searching for a reasonably priced approx 1Ghz, p3 machine I can play with for this (OS and hardware) Anywhere from 850 Mhz on as I dont see any great fps change between my 850 box and my 2 Gig box both running the same power graphics card.As I found yesterday to my supprise 9.9 will even run on a 400 Mhz machine just takes awhile to do things I have noted some comments about a compatibility table or minimum/recommended platform being available. This would really be handy for people looking to get a dedicated box for FG. If you got a machine that didn't have a Nvidia card in it you could hardly come back here and complain you weren't warned. Cheers Innis All comments noted and welcomed, will act on most of them. Partner is a woman, you can't make them do anything they don't want too...LOL ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools
I never saw any windows prelrelease notifications...did I miss something? Dene From: Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:45:26 +0100 Georg Vollnhals wrote: As I am no core developer I am not sure whether they are alarmed by the number of user (4, 5, ?) who already mailed to the list with the same problem - FG 0.9.9 crash/hangup when started! This is very bad news :-( Indeed, it's shocking to see how many people did not try one of the prereleases. Erik ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963b _ Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to Help You
Hi What happens in the code after the Generating Sky Elements message is displayed? What external elements could influence the program's behaviour in this area? (Screen Res, Clouds, computer peripherals..what?) I would down load the source files but I only have dial-up access and would still be downloading it when the discussion was about v2.9.9!!! I really want to help, but need some guidance to get started Dene From: MPCEE French Bureau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:45:30 +0100 Hello Gerard: There are some very touchy persons on here, but some should realise there are problems and in the main it's to do with communication or lack of it and understanding. This is from both sides. The latest version9.9 is not a graphics card issue. It is an issue in the interior of the version itself. There are some Windows users with the start-up problem and then there are those that have real problems with it. I can say that by changing the default start-up it does work! Using the Boing 737 (an aircraft I like very much) is the problem for me. My everyday Concorde there is no problem, as with the Hunter etc, for the moment. I am using any airfield and no problem. I would like to give much feed back as an ex Fleet Air Arm aircrew, where Seahawks were used as land based dummy deck practice, but Gannets are my dream, as I spent 2,5 years with them. As a regular Concorde passenger in the 1980's with numerous visits to the flight deck, to talk the business, as with 707's and 747. Someone mentioned MS Flight Simulator; I used the first version on a small Mac as it kept my hand in. The potential for FG is far beyond MSFS and it allows others to use their development skills, but as I have said this does need to be shared for all to have the benefits in extending FG to the limits. Is there actually someone out there collecting all the issues raised and dealing with them? Thank You Martin -Original Message- From: Gerard ROBIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:47 PM To: FlightGear user discussions Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools Le lundi 21 novembre 2005 à 12:33 +0100, MPCEE French Bureau a écrit : Bonjour Fred: Je suis en France dans l'Auvergne. Si je parle très forte, tant pis, mais après beaucoup des heures, avec des autres, en tant que je peux dissiper des problèmes, je continua comme ça ! hello Martin, First, thanks for trying to use the very difficult French language, and thanks for living in our beautiful Auvergne. I am not a FG developer only a FG user, fortunately regarding FlightGear i am a Linux user (it is a choice, after many experiences with many operating system) I am an old computer man who knew the big IBM 360, and developed on it ( it was a long time ago .) Little is given to Windows' users and we have to find ways to resolve our issues. We did not have access to the pre versions, but, yes, we are left to resolve them ourselves. I are right when you worry about a missing pre version for Windows, however, i would like to put the finger on: -It is very difficult to offer a generic product which works on every platforms, and every operating systems. -The software companies have a policy which is to answer to the most populated (wider market). -The end user is delivered with a product and a costly assistance contract. That product is supposed to answer to his own request but very often he has to adapt himself to the product. -Regarding the Open Source and GPL, it is less easy to develop onto Windows than to develop onto Linux. -The devel FG team has developed Flightgear which suit to several platforms, that is (my opinion) a real performance. There are some list members who have given hours of their time to assist us. Like me, we thank them for this. In the main it may be a graphics card/driver problem, but then again we are in the mass market and developers SHOULD remember this. You probably heard about Microsoft Flight Simulator. That product answer to the mass market = it is a game (big market) running onto Windows operating system (other big market). That game is not free. (we have to pay for it). I am not sure that FlightGear would try to compete with Microsoft. I am too old and can go far back, but there was a spirit in being able to share information. Times are changing and nowadays, these persons are few and far between. The spirit of Flight Gear is excellent, but it is becoming too big and splintered, with what seem many unfinished projects and no control over its ultimate direction. We have even had one aircraft developer recently say that he created an aircraft, but did not expect anyone to use it! I am not sure be involved by that answer, may be
Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou
Hi Curt, Is c:\windows\applog\fgfs.lgc the right file to look at? That file comes out at 54kbyte on my attempt to startup. Contains alot hex numbers, who is this going to be useful to? Cheers Dene From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools - Help Me to HelpYou Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:23:10 -0600 dene maxwell wrote: Hi What happens in the code after the Generating Sky Elements message is displayed? What external elements could influence the program's behaviour in this area? (Screen Res, Clouds, computer peripherals..what?) I would down load the source files but I only have dial-up access and would still be downloading it when the discussion was about v2.9.9!!! I really want to help, but need some guidance to get started Perhaps turn up the logging level so you can get more fine grained (and a higher volume of) messages and that might isolate your crash a bit more. Also useful would be to run the code in a debugger and get the exact location of the crash, but that's probably beyond what we can ask of non-developers (especially on windows platforms that don't ship with any kind of default compiler or debugger.) Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup
I dunno what the issue is but it has been suggested that I disable it. I would, but I can't find where to? Dene From: Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: 'FlightGear user discussions' flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:40:41 - Innis Cunningham Hi Dene Not that this will be much use to you but see my post Great 9.9. All I did was uninstall 9.5 with the uninstall shield and run the setup wizard and every thing worked fine. As for cards and drivers the 98SE version is using directX from a long time ago and I have not updated the drivers since the card was installed. Have you tried runing with the Nimitz senario disabled. I will be installing 9.9 on my other windows box today will see if I have any problems with that(2G athlon with FX5200 graphics)still running 98SE dene maxwell writes While waiting for an answer(and feeling like a seagull with a broken wing :-) I blew away the FG folder and tried a fresh installsame result Uninstalled through the Control Panel and reinstalled 0.9.9same result Loaded 0.9.8 over the top of 0.9.9 and it runs as before. No pressure, but are any of the FG guru's investigating this? I am really feeling empathy for birds with broken wings LOL What's the issue with the Nimitz demo? Vivian ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: AW: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch
Hi Denise, Looks like I'll be staying with 0.9.8 for a while Cheers Dene From: Denise Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: AW: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:21:37 +0100 Dene wrote When I launch it I get through the startup wizard and the intro screen is displayed, I get the reading airport and navigation data and the loading aircraft messages and briefly get something like generating sky then it crasheswith the error message; opening file: C:/Program Files/FlightGear/data/Navaids/carrier_nav.dat C:/Program Files/FlightGear/data/Navaids/TACAN_freq.dat Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... Possible cause: No error Hi Dene And welcome to the club. I´ve had the error you describe when first starting 098a from Win 2000. I have a Matrox Card and the only help I got from this forum was to update drivers. I did and it looked like it was working but wasn´t really, just a matter of combination. so I gave up after trying on my own a while. Now I´ve installed 0.99 and the problem still prevails. Windows users are a shrugged upon minority here, so we got to stick together. Hence here´s the experiences I made: Under 098a: * The possible cause no error appears only selecting a certain combination of aircraft and runway. Another combination will produce an error like file could not be found (or opened ). * The first time thru none of the aircrafts work. But try a while, keep trying and - believe it or not - after a while one will work. Settings that worked for me to start with was a cessna + default runway at kfso. Then piper and runway 28 R. And after I played with them a while I got the eurocopter to work with the default runway. But you have to try different combinations. * I couldn´t really get the controls to work (only keyboaerd no Joystick) but I got over the initial error and could move the plane around a bit. When it crashes to bad you`ll get the error back and have to start all over. Strange behaviour when it´s just the card or drivers. Anyway under 099 * See above * Here in addtion to the above the boing and the fighter can be gotten to work. However I still can´t manage to get the controls working properly. Hope you have better luck or maybe this will give you a hint where to look for solutions. If you got any ideas I´ll appreciate a hint. Thanks mate Take care and happy flying Denise ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Looking for love? Check out XtraMSN Personals http://xtramsn.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=channeltcid=200731 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup
I ran 0.9.8a on a 1.8Ghz P4, Me, 32Mbyte Nvidia GeForce2 MX card with almost no problems. Certainly none that stopped enjoying the FG flying experience. 0.9.9 won't even load, the general gist of the threads on this subject seem to be suggesting that various features are disabled in the preferences.xml to try and find out what's stopping it running. I'll be trying this when I get a chance really looking forward to the new features but its a balancing act with actually getting some flying in!! Dene From: Ampere K. Hardraade [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:46:38 -0500 On November 20, 2005 12:13 am, Curtis L. Olson wrote: For Linux I've heard of people having excellent results with nvidia, pretty ok results with ati (with some problems that crop up occasionally.) And I've never heard of anyone running any serious opengl applications with any other cards/chipsets. You might want to throw a cheap nvidia card in your machine and I bet your luck will improve rapidly. Regards, Curt. I have been using FlightGear since 0.9.4, and all previous versions of FlightGear ran fine on my old motherboard with i810. So, I'm sure his i845 would have no problem with FlightGear. I can bet that 0.9.8 would run fine on his machine while 0.9.9 doesn't. Several people, including me, have been experiencing problems with FlightGear 0.9.9. For me, I actually began experience problems ever since I started using 0.9.8 CVS. We have one similarity: we don't have Nvidia card. While we could all get ourselves Nvidia cards and get around the problem, I really don't see it as a realistic option. Ampere ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: AW: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch
I tried about 20 combinations of aircraft/airports/runways and no joy...still crashes at exactly the same place ( just see the generating sky elements message then bang, back to the wizard). Disabled all the features eg clouds totally, AI, enhanced effects etc another suggestion I had was to disable the Nimitz Demo, I take it that this is where you do it (extract from preferences.xml); ai enabled type=boolfalse/enabled !-- scenarionimitz_demo/scenario -- !-- scenarioaircraft_demo/scenario -- /ai no difference ... guess I just wait 'til there's either a fix or more information requested to help the resolution effort. Dene From: Denise Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: AW: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:21:37 +0100 Dene wrote When I launch it I get through the startup wizard and the intro screen is displayed, I get the reading airport and navigation data and the loading aircraft messages and briefly get something like generating sky then it crasheswith the error message; opening file: C:/Program Files/FlightGear/data/Navaids/carrier_nav.dat C:/Program Files/FlightGear/data/Navaids/TACAN_freq.dat Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... Possible cause: No error Hi Dene And welcome to the club. I´ve had the error you describe when first starting 098a from Win 2000. I have a Matrox Card and the only help I got from this forum was to update drivers. I did and it looked like it was working but wasn´t really, just a matter of combination. so I gave up after trying on my own a while. Now I´ve installed 0.99 and the problem still prevails. Windows users are a shrugged upon minority here, so we got to stick together. Hence here´s the experiences I made: Under 098a: * The possible cause no error appears only selecting a certain combination of aircraft and runway. Another combination will produce an error like file could not be found (or opened ). * The first time thru none of the aircrafts work. But try a while, keep trying and - believe it or not - after a while one will work. Settings that worked for me to start with was a cessna + default runway at kfso. Then piper and runway 28 R. And after I played with them a while I got the eurocopter to work with the default runway. But you have to try different combinations. * I couldn´t really get the controls to work (only keyboaerd no Joystick) but I got over the initial error and could move the plane around a bit. When it crashes to bad you`ll get the error back and have to start all over. Strange behaviour when it´s just the card or drivers. Anyway under 099 * See above * Here in addtion to the above the boing and the fighter can be gotten to work. However I still can´t manage to get the controls working properly. Hope you have better luck or maybe this will give you a hint where to look for solutions. If you got any ideas I´ll appreciate a hint. Thanks mate Take care and happy flying Denise ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.9 Crashes on launch
I have just upgraded from 0.9.8 and installed over the top of 0.9.8. When I launch it I get through the startup wizard and the intro screen is displayed, I get the reading airport and navigation data and the loading aircraft messages and briefly get something like generating sky then it crasheswith the error message; opening file: C:/Program Files/FlightGear/data/Navaids/carrier_nav.dat C:/Program Files/FlightGear/data/Navaids/TACAN_freq.dat Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... Possible cause: No error Win Me, 1.8Ghz P4, 32mbyte geforce2 mx any ideas? Dene _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup
While waiting for an answer(and feeling like a seagull with a broken wing :-) I blew away the FG folder and tried a fresh installsame result Uninstalled through the Control Panel and reinstalled 0.9.9same result Loaded 0.9.8 over the top of 0.9.9 and it runs as before. No pressure, but are any of the FG guru's investigating this? I am really feeling empathy for birds with broken wings LOL Dene From: David C. Chipman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:09:44 -0500 Hi all, This is the error I get in the terminal window when starting fgfs: opening file: /usr/share/FlightGear/data/Navaids/carrier_nav.dat X Error of failed request: GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest Major opcode of failed request: 143 (GLX) Minor opcode of failed request: 16 (X_GLXVendorPrivate) Serial number of failed request: 42 Current serial number in output stream: 43 Thanks, -David Chipman ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup
I've uninstalled everything every way I know how how do you disable the Nimitz Scenario? I noted in the readme file that the 3D Clouds (experimental) has been removed and replaced by the new clouds but the 3D Clouds (experimenta)l still appears in the FlightGear Wizard at startupis this significant? Thanks Dene From: Innis Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:09:29 +0800 Hi Dene Not that this will be much use to you but see my post Great 9.9. All I did was uninstall 9.5 with the uninstall shield and run the setup wizard and every thing worked fine. As for cards and drivers the 98SE version is using directX from a long time ago and I have not updated the drivers since the card was installed. Have you tried runing with the Nimitz senario disabled. I will be installing 9.9 on my other windows box today will see if I have any problems with that(2G athlon with FX5200 graphics)still running 98SE Cheers Innis dene maxwell writes While waiting for an answer(and feeling like a seagull with a broken wing :-) I blew away the FG folder and tried a fresh installsame result Uninstalled through the Control Panel and reinstalled 0.9.9same result Loaded 0.9.8 over the top of 0.9.9 and it runs as before. No pressure, but are any of the FG guru's investigating this? I am really feeling empathy for birds with broken wings LOL Dene ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d _ Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup
Hi Curtis, I'm running a 32mb geforce2 mx card on win me and get opening file: C:/Program Files/FlightGear/data/Navaids/carrier_nav.dat C:/Program Files/FlightGear/data/Navaids/TACAN_freq.dat Unknown exception in the main loop. Aborting... Possible cause: No error any ideas? Dene From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org To: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@flightgear.org Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear 0.9.9 Crashing on startup Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:13:39 -0600 David C. Chipman wrote: Hi Ampere, In dmesg I see: agpgart: Detected an Intel 845G Chipset. I hope that answers the question. It's on the motherboard, remember. -David Chipman For Linux I've heard of people having excellent results with nvidia, pretty ok results with ati (with some problems that crop up occasionally.) And I've never heard of anyone running any serious opengl applications with any other cards/chipsets. You might want to throw a cheap nvidia card in your machine and I bet your luck will improve rapidly. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Scrolling views crashes plane
The thread seems to be tending towards a processing screen updates issue. I agree with this as keyboard input is slowed while the aircraft is either recovering or crashing. IE I've tried this at a friend's home with Windows XP and it happened, too; on 0.9.8 binary flightgear package. The key is to scroll through the views faster than the most recent details updates happen. doesn't work because response to the keyboard is slowed too... I believe it's a video queue update type problem. I've experienced similar behaviour in a faster aircraft about 2 hours into a trip over land where the same trip (source and destination) over water is OK (Sydney-Brisbane crashes on a direct route over land, head out to sea and fly up the coast over water then head in and land is OK). While this may seem I'm blaming FG, quite the contrary it maybe an interaction between Windows, the video driver, and software. I would very much like to compare hardware(particularly video drivers), OS, CPU (type and speed) to get a handle on the problem Roll on 0.9.9! Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Whats a good web-site for uploading
Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll investigate them this weekend. I've never uploaded to a site before, only transfered files between other various chat contacts (ICQ) so it'll be a new experience for me. During my investigations, one of the main points will be an intuative upload inteface or clear instructions. I'm not promising a revolution but merely some ideas that maybe interesting to a few. Initially it'll be a smallish file as I survive on dial-up access but if interest is great enough I do have access to broadband through a family member and can provide Win native installation files. Thanks for the suggestions Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Re: Whats a good web-site for uploading
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. I view the discussion group through Mozilla Firefox (browser) and click on the mfranz at aon.at link at the top of the messsage that starts a new email (Outlook) message window. When I've finished replying, I click send. If there is a more friendly way of viewing the discussions and replying please let me know. This is the first anyone has said to me about it. Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Re: Whats a good web-site for uploading
Yes I am viewing it through the mail archive. How else do I do it? What's this subscribe? I looked at the FG Home page and can find nothing about subscribing. Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Re: Whats a good web-site for uploading-OT- Replies to Posts
Dene Maxwell wrote: Yes I am viewing it through the mail archive. How else do I do it? What's this subscribe? I looked at the FG Home page and can find nothing about subscribing. http://www.flightgear.org/mail.html Regards, Curt. -- Ok this should be the last one. I read the initial post at 6am and the fingers reacted before the brain was engaged. Of course I'm subscribed to Users. My problem stems from our POP3 account having more than one email address associated with it. The other PC downloads the email. I've tried setting up a Post office so both PC's can be a client to a single Post Office server but haven't made any headway. When I reply to the Digest notification it grabs the current identity's email address, this is generally my partners and FG mail throws it back because that email address is not subscribed. I have changed the email address in my profile to my hotmail account and will reply to the Digest notifications through hotmail. I'm more used to subscribing to user groups that the posts themselves have reply buttons. Can anyone suggest a program that can access the Usergroup and provide reply functionality without having to receive and reply through the digest. It would eliminate the need to logon to hotmail all the time and hopefully will allow local copies of the messages to be held. Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Scrolling views crashes plane
This sounds to me much more like a problem of your own hardware and/or software than a FlightGear problem. Why don't you try a slightly more robust operating system than that crappy Windows ME ? (XP, Linux) It may also be your videodriver (is it a recent one ?) and/or a problem of the videocard. Unfortunately its my partners PC and she gets all anti when I change things on it. Will be getting my own 3Ghz P4, XP (or even dual Boot with Linux) etc soon but have to struggle on in the mean time and even FG on Me is better than no FG at all Will check the Video Driver date though. Cheers Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Whats a good web-site for uploading - OT - Apple
I never mentioned Macs by name!!!...and I wondered how long it'd take to get
a response LOL. I have a lot of respect for Macs, as you say they are rock
solid and suffer from relatively very few viruses.
What he wanted to know was why his PC friend was
always fighting viruses, mumbling about corrupt register file, and
always claiming that things would work after a reboot or re-install.
Most probably because they were running Win98Me...the biggest joke
perpetrated on the unsuspecting public...about the only Y2K bug that ever
surfaced
Dene
PS Still waiting for the address and instructions on somewhere I can put
some samples.
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[Flightgear-users] Scrolling views crashes plane
After about an hour of flying, scrolling through the views and restoring from the tower view to the chase view causes the aircraft(on auto-pilot) to loose control and crash.. Under Win 98Me with all other precesses except systray and explorer shut down Pentium 4, 1.8GHz, 256kbyte Ram, 32 NeVidia Graphics Card No error messages in the fgfs window. any ideas? Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Whats a good web-site for uploading
George,
It might be prudent to put a sample ( source code, documentation and screen
images) somewhere for comment. Getting back to the initial question; where
and how?
What about Mac OS X? :-P You could also use an rpc like routines where
you request some data from the server and the server replies with a
pre-formatted file containing the answer to that request. See xml-rpc
for one generic example.
Half eaten apples should be put out with the rubbish, I don't support black
magic systems ;-
Dene
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[Flightgear-users] Whats a good web-site for uploading
George, What might be an idea is to post some source code so people with a more intimate knowledge of *nix and SQL can provide some suggestions (psuedo code). What I know about *nix can be written on the back of a very small postage stamp, I do know a little more about SQL but not much. My approach for connection to different database engines would be to have a registry flag that, if not present would invoke a routine to specify a database file name, location and type and then once a successful connection has been established to write the appropriate value into the registry for use then on but does *nix have a registry equivalent or is it done by ini files. It might be easier to create an object(s) that sits between the FG Navaid table and the application to make it look like a series of related flat tables. This of course begs the question; does *nix have a windows environment emulator? If so this gives another option to have a Jet connection for Windows users and a generic SQL connection for *nix users. This could use the OS ID to switch between the two(or 3 if I include OS/2 support ;-) Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Aircraft crashes unexpectedly...too hard or not interested
Haven't received a response. too hard or not interested? Dene Last month I posted this and got alot of comments back. I've experimented and have some extra information which may shed some light on the problem; I undertook this trip in the 172P Skyhawk (1981 model), 2D panel, a mammoth trip. I encountered the same sort of behaviour at varying intervals (about 2 hours) into the flight but because of either; better recovery charateristics or lower ground speed the autopilot was able to recover and continue. This enabled me to switch windows to the FGFS MSDOS window which I was unable to do once the aircraft had hit the ground with in either of the two previous aircraft tried. The FGFS window had these error messages. These occurred over a period of about 4-5 hours until I quit the flight due to running out of fuel Failed to untie property propulsion/c-thrust[0] Failed to untie property propulsion/engine[0]/reverser-angle Failed to untie property propulsion/c-thrust[0] Failed to untie property propulsion/engine[0]/reverser-angle Failed to untie property propulsion/c-thrust[0] Failed to untie property propulsion/engine[0]/reverser-angle Failed to untie property propulsion/c-thrust[0] Failed to untie property propulsion/engine[0]/reverser-angle Does this help explain the problem? Dene On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 22:15 +1300, Dene Maxwell wrote: Just an observation that may be of interest; I can fly approx 1500Nm over water at 300kts and not have a problem... reasonable graphics and even land successfully (any landing you can walk away from is a good landing!!!). I can't fly approx 400Nm at 300kts over land without the aircraft crashing about 300Nm into the flight. Some background NZWN (Wellington International,NZ) to YSSY (Sydney-Kingsford-Smith, Australia) 1484NM in a A10 Thunderbolt at 300kts cruise... flight goes great. YSSY (Sydney- Kingsford-Smith, Australia to YBBN (Brisbane International, Australia) 410NM in either an A10 Thunderbolt at 300kts or Cessna 310 twin prop at 180kts crashes at about the 300NM mark. Interestingly I can fly the A10 from YSSY out to sea, then due north to parallel to YBBN then line up for a landing no problems, total trip is about 500NM. The problem seems to be triggered by flying over land for a prolonged period. In all cases the majority of the flight is undertaken under AutoPilot control at variably 5,000 to 10,000 ft ASL. I have tried reducing the screen resolution from 1280x1024 to 800x600 but it makes no difference. The platform is a 1.8Ghz P4, Windows Me, 256M RAM, nVidia GeForce2 MX/MX400 video card (32Mbyte). Any comments would be gratefully received. Dene, You didn't say which version of FlightGear you are using. Using Flightgear CVS, I flew from NZWN to YSSY as you suggested and apart from noting a missing tile (known bug usually due to an airport lying across a tile boundary) I didn't have any problems. YSSY to YBBN: I started flown this route and 300nm out from YBBN , I'm still flying. 300nm from YSSY, still here... Preparing to land at YBBN... Not the best landing but still down in one piece. A couple of possibilities The mostly likely cause is that you have found a bug in 0.9.8. FlightGear 0.9.8 has a few major bugs here and there. Solution: You can either upgrade to CVS (a tricky task under windows which involved installing cygwin) or wait for version 0.9.9. The other (albeit unlikely) possible is that it is something in your hardware or software set up. Could someone with similar hardware and OS comment on this cross country flight? My hardware doesn't match what Dene is using. (I am still thinking that the problem was to do with a 0.9.8 bug) George Patterson -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Aircraft crashes unexpectedly...too hard or notinterested
Thank you for responding thought I was being ignored this is really beyond me being mostly a user. I would like to contribute in adding scenery and landmarks (airports and Navaids) but coding in this environment is beyond me at the mo...would like to hear of progress on this prob though... again thanks for your response Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?
Hi George, Thanks for the enthusiastic reply, I certainly have no problem making the source file available. My only reservation is; not having any classical programming training , people my scoff at my coding. at the moment it is only a front end to a MS Access DB that takes lat and long and works out great circle bearing, distance, eta. Then along the path will give course corrections and revised eta based on computed average speed.(from paused lat and long info from the HUD). A bit more effort will provide error checking and PDF access then I can put the code in the Pub. Dom. given a site I can upload it to. As for support, hmm I would really like NZ looking like NZ, it could be( but not necessarily) a reciprocal deal. An interface from a planner to FG sounds really good. cheers Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-users] So what do you fly?
Hi George, Thanks for the enthusiastic reply, I certainly have no problem making the source file available. My only reservation is; not having any "classical" programming training , people my scoff at my coding. at the moment it is only a front end to a MS Access DB that takes lat and long and works out great circle bearing, distance, eta. Then along the path will give course corrections andrevised eta based on computed average speed.(from "paused" lat and long info from the HUD). A bit more effort will provide error checking and PDF access then I can put the code in the Pub. Dom. given a site I can upload it to. As for support, hmm I would really like NZ looking like NZ, it could be( but not necessarily) a reciprocal deal. An interface from a planner to FG sounds really good. cheers Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Aircraft crashes unexpectedly
wow...lotsa suggestions Running FG 0.9.8 unfortunately running it on my partners PC and she gets all "anti" when I download anything new (blames my downloads for win98me's flakey performance). I am anticipating some money soon and intend getting a Dell Dimension 9100, Intel Pentium 4 Processor630 with HT technology (3Ghz), 128Mbyte ATI radeon x300SE hypermemory graphics, 250Gbyte HDD, 1024MB SDRAM, XP Home edition. This might leave me enough to get a yoke/pedal set from the 'States at approx $US500 ( $NZ700). I would like to try dual boot with Linux on this set up. Just to give something back in the way of a good laugh what are my chances of running FG 0.9.8 on a P1 166Mhz with a S3 Trio64V+ PCI (765) (1Mbyte) with 100MB DRAM? When y'all stop laughing I do expect comments along the lines of " a snowball has better chances in HELL!!!" g Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/137 - Release Date: 16/10/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Aircraft crashes unexpectedly
Just an observation that may be of interest; I can fly approx 1500Nm over water at 300kts and not have a problem... reasonable graphics and even land successfully (any landing you can walk away from is a good landing!!!). I can't fly approx 400Nm at 300kts over land without the aircraft crashing about300Nm into the flight. Some background NZWN (Wellington International,NZ) to YSSY (Sydney-Kingsford-Smith, Australia) 1484NM in a A10 Thunderbolt at 300kts cruise... flight goes great. YSSY (Sydney- Kingsford-Smith, Australia to YBBN (Brisbane International, Australia) 410NM in either an A10 Thunderbolt at 300ktsor Cessna 310twin prop at 180kts crashes at about the 300NM mark. Interestingly I can fly the A10 from YSSY out to sea, then due north to parallelto YBBN then line up for a landing no problems, total trip is about 500NM. The problem seems to be triggered by flying over land for a prolonged period. In all cases the majority of the flight is undertaken under AutoPilot control at variably 5,000 to 10,000 ft ASL. I have tried reducing the screen resolution from 1280x1024 to 800x600 but it makes no difference. The platform is a 1.8Ghz P4, Windows Me, 256M RAM, nVidia GeForce2 MX/MX400 video card (32Mbyte). Any comments would be gratefully received. Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.1/136 - Release Date: 15/10/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Adding scenery to an airport
What is a suitable windows based package that creates a 3d nodel in a format that Plib understands and where can I download it? I want to add buildings, fences and roads to my home airport (and maybe other commonly visited airports) to emhamce the realism of FG. By the way... the A10 is a great jet trainer with a great autopilot... congrats to to the designer... I love flying it. Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 22/8/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Normal Operating Procedures for a Boeing 737
Where can I find information on the 737 such as normal cruise speed, approach speed/flaps etc? Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/8/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] ILS/LLZ frequencies
All the relavent approach plate etc can be found at www.aip.net.nz VOR/DME is listed as 114.8 but i'm interested in the (ILS/LLZ)/DME signal on 110.3. I did a VOR/DME approach too and like you chickened (:-)) out. At no time did NAV1 on 110.3 get a signal. I would really like to know how to update Airport (including scenery) and Navaid data as the more accurate and more realistic I can make it by contributing to the FG effort maybe more of you Northern hemisphere flyers will pay us a visit!!! LOL Cheers Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 4/8/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] ILS/LLZ frequencies
All the relavent approach plate etc can be found at www.aip.net.nz VOR/DME is listed as 114.8 but i'm interested in the (ILS/LLZ)/DME signal on 110.3. I did a VOR/DME approach too and like you chickened (:-)) out. At no time did NAV1 on 110.3 get a signal. I would really like to know how to update Airport (including scenery) and Navaid data as the more accurate and more realistic I can make it by contributing to the FG effort maybe more of you Northern hemisphere flyers will pay us a visit!!! LOL Cheers Dene -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 4/8/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-users] ILS/LLZ frequencies
Thanks Josh, Have also sent the email to Robin, also giving the address of the New Zealand Aviation Information web site. Will await his reply, and practice my ILS landings at Wellington International!!! LOL Regards Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 4/8/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] ILS/LLZ frequencies
I was trying an ILS landing at Auckland Int'l (NZAA) and couldn't get the LZ/DME signal listed on the New Zealand Aviation Information site as 110.3MHz. I had a quick look through the airports and navaids data but couldn't make out where the relavent information is located. The files all look very "relational" to me, can someone shed light on how I could find what freq. FG uses for this signal? Regards Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 2/8/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] DME Problem
Hi Mike, Meant to thank you for your reply not giving me the answer I wanted wasn't a good enough excuse ;-). I have a work-around in that I have written a VB6 program that I enter the embarkation lat and long and average cruising speed into along with the destination lat and long and it calculates a flight plan in true heading, flight time and distance. at any stage I can task switch back to this program and enter current lat and long (from the HUD display) as an intermediate postion and it will give me corrected true heading, time and distance. Its written for the SE hemisphere at the moment but just because I'm only flying in that area at the moment. It would beeasy enough to expand it to include all great circle Lat and Long's. Another problem I would appreciate your (or anyone's) advice on is; what is a good windows (98) gzip unzipper? I have a couple of aircraft definitions downloaded that i'm keen to try by can't get the files out of them to get them installed on FG. Regards Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/7/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] WARNING: Legacy engine definition in YASim
Thanks Lee, Had a look through the readme.yasim and the pa28-162.xml and sort of get the idea... rather than jump in and make a mistake i'll do some more comparisons with other single engined prop aircraft that DON'T cause the same error message and will then check with you with a proposed solution if that's OK with you? Regards Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/7/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] Windows 98/me TAR unzipper recommendations
Can anyone please recommend a good TAR unzipper for windows? Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/7/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] WARNING: Legacy engine definition in YASim
Thanks for that Lee, So how do I fix it ? and does it explain the saved flight being loaded with the plane frozen? Cheers Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/7/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] DME Problem
Mike, I use the auto-pilot quite alot since flight times between major airports in New Zealand in a single engined prop are of the order of 1-2 hours...the autopilot on the C172P seems really flakey unlike the menu driven autopilot on the Piper Cherokee that has got me around NZ so far. Once I've completed the current circuit of NZ I want to "upgrade" my aircraft to a twin engine plane I have downloaded a DC3 and Fokker 50 definition from the FG site but can't seem to import them... I know this is not part of the original query and will post it seperately if you don't have an answer off the top of your head Cheers Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 22/7/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] DME Problem
Hi Mike, Thanks for the reply, I'm using the Piper Cherokee Warrior II. Tried the C172p and I can see what you mean, but the DME receiver doesn't appear in the 2D panel. Have you tried the Piper Cherokee? I use it because it's a little faster than the C172p, but may swap if the answer cvomes back that the Piper doesn't have DME capability. TIA Dene No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/48 - Release Date: 16/7/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] DME Problem
Hi, I cannot get a DME reading even when specifying a specific DME frequency. I use as my standard instrument panel the 2D menu option. Would love to get DME working as is saves some quite nasty turns etc to work out range to an airfield. Dene [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/48 - Release Date: 16/7/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-users] WARNING: Legacy engine definition in YASim configuration file. Please fix.
Hi, I'm a newbie to Flight Gear but not totally to Flight Simulators in general. I love this F/Sim and have flown around the entire south island of New Zealand ( although never did find Haast aerodrome). Whenever I start FG or load a saved file, I get this [subject above] message. When I load a saved file as well as getting this message the plane is frozen. TIA Dene [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/48 - Release Date: 16/7/05 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-users 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
