Re: page numbering

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Dave,

If you are using unstructured FrameMaker, there is an undocumented (and 
unsupported) FrameMaker feature called point pages. Open your document and 
press Esc p z in sequence. Select the numbering style and click Freeze. Now 
add some content to one of the pages so it overflows the page and watch what 
happens.


Of course, if your document contains autonumbers, you can see why the 
feature is undocumented and unsupported. But I have developed a plugin 
called PointPages that allows you to use point pages while solving the 
autonumbering problem. If you are interested, let me know and I will send 
you the documentation. Thanks.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



Hi all,

Is there a way to override the page numbering for a single page in a
document in Frame 7.0? I'm working on a revision to a manual. In this
revision, I need to add new information to a chapter that is 176 pages 
long.

The new information needs to go after page 31, which means that not only
would this page be included in the revision, but all the subsequent pages
would have to be added, as well, because even thought the information is 
the

same, the page numbers all shifted by one. I'd rather not print 146 pages
when I only need to make one page of actual content change. So, is there a
way to add a page and call it 31-a, without causing all the other page
numbers to change? I tried to search the archives on the FrameUsers 
website,

but it appears the site is temporarily down.

Thanks,
dave.

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Disconnected Pages

[Texan Scriber]

Fellow Framers,

Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when the current
page is filled with text? I have combined all my master pages into one
template file. After I create an Appendix say, and the first page is filled
with content, the page that follows does not use the same master page.

Also, if a chapter had n number of pages and some text was deleted, the
chapter no longer ends in even pages like it used to, it leaves all those
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Re: Disconnected Pages

[Rene Stephenson]

To force even-numbered pages in a given FM file, choose FormatPage Layouts 
Pagination, and make sure Before Saving  Printing is set to Make Page Count 
Even.

As for the Master Page usage issue, I'm not clear what you're trying to 
achieve. The place you'd set it is FormatPage LayoutsMaster Page Usage, but 
what you'd set depends on the desired effect.  If you're wanting to use the 
same master page for all pages in the file, you'd pick the page you want in the 
Custom field, make sure all the pages are in the range of pages listed in the 
Apply To area, select Even and Odd, and then click Apply. If that's not what 
you're wanting, you can fiddle with the settings on that window to get what 
you're wanting, or repost with some more details. ;-)

HTH
Rene

Texan Scriber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fellow Framers,

Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when the current
page is filled with text? I have combined all my master pages into one
template file. After I create an Appendix say, and the first page is filled
with content, the page that follows does not use the same master page.

Also, if a chapter had n number of pages and some text was deleted, the
chapter no longer ends in even pages like it used to, it leaves all those
white blank pages that have to be manually deleted.

Appreciate sharing your experience with Frame.
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RE: Disconnected Pages

[Combs, Richard]

Texan Scriber wrote: 
 
 Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when 
 the current page is filled with text? I have combined all my 
 master pages into one template file. After I create an 
 Appendix say, and the first page is filled with content, the 
 page that follows does not use the same master page.

Fred Ridder's right: your problems stem from not using the default
master pages. But I'll go further than Fred. There's no good reason not
to use the exact same Left and Right master pages for almost all the
files in a standard book -- certainly for all the chapters and
appendixes. There's nothing fancy with H/F variables required,
assuming you use the $chapnum variable for chapter/appendix numbering.


You probably need different default master pages for an index (typically
2-col layout) and maybe a title-page file. And of course, the custom
master page you use to start a file might have several versions -- say,
First, TOCFirst, TitleFirst, whatever. But what page layout changes are
required going from a chapter to an appendix, or even to frontmatter
(TOC, LOF, etc.) or intro/preface?

My $0.02. 

Richard


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RE: Disconnected Pages

[Ridder, Fred]

If your headers and footers include titles or headings as well as
the chapter number, you do need to get at least a little fancy
with the Running H/F variables to account for the fact that 
different tags are often used for titles of chapters vs. prefaces
vs. appendixes vs. glossaries. You at least need to know 
how to specify multiple tag names in a $paratext variable. 
Not terribly fancy, I'll admit, but it's surprising how many 
Frame users don't know how to do that.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:22 PM
To: Texan Scriber; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Disconnected Pages

Texan Scriber wrote: 
 
 Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when 
 the current page is filled with text? I have combined all my 
 master pages into one template file. After I create an 
 Appendix say, and the first page is filled with content, the 
 page that follows does not use the same master page.

Fred Ridder's right: your problems stem from not using the default
master pages. But I'll go further than Fred. There's no good reason not
to use the exact same Left and Right master pages for almost all the
files in a standard book -- certainly for all the chapters and
appendixes. There's nothing fancy with H/F variables required,
assuming you use the $chapnum variable for chapter/appendix numbering.


You probably need different default master pages for an index (typically
2-col layout) and maybe a title-page file. And of course, the custom
master page you use to start a file might have several versions -- say,
First, TOCFirst, TitleFirst, whatever. But what page layout changes are
required going from a chapter to an appendix, or even to frontmatter
(TOC, LOF, etc.) or intro/preface?

My $0.02. 

Richard


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Books on EDD development / Advanced Framemaker

[Ankur Srivastava]

Hi all,
Can anybody suggest a book (apart from the following books which are already
in my knowledge) on EDD development in Framemaker and advanced framemaker
(XML roundtripping). Better, if these are related to FM 7.2.

i) Advanced Framemaker by Kay Ethier/Robert Kern/Bradley Anderson/Bernard
Aschwanden

ii) XML and Frame by Kay Ethier

Thanks  regards,

Ankur
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page numbering

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Dave,

If you are using unstructured FrameMaker, there is an undocumented (and 
unsupported) FrameMaker feature called point pages. Open your document and 
press Esc p z in sequence. Select the numbering style and click Freeze. Now 
add some content to one of the pages so it overflows the page and watch what 
happens.

Of course, if your document contains autonumbers, you can see why the 
feature is undocumented and unsupported. But I have developed a plugin 
called PointPages that allows you to use point pages while solving the 
autonumbering problem. If you are interested, let me know and I will send 
you the documentation. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Hi all,
>
> Is there a way to override the page numbering for a single page in a
> document in Frame 7.0? I'm working on a revision to a manual. In this
> revision, I need to add new information to a chapter that is 176 pages 
> long.
> The new information needs to go after page 31, which means that not only
> would this page be included in the revision, but all the subsequent pages
> would have to be added, as well, because even thought the information is 
> the
> same, the page numbers all shifted by one. I'd rather not print 146 pages
> when I only need to make one page of actual content change. So, is there a
> way to add a page and call it 31-a, without causing all the other page
> numbers to change? I tried to search the archives on the FrameUsers 
> website,
> but it appears the site is temporarily down.
>
> Thanks,
> dave.
>
> -- 
> If you're having trouble getting inspired about something,
> it's probably because you're temporarily lacking inspiration.
> That's what you need. You need inspiration.
> -43 Folders 

Disconnected Pages

[Texan Scriber]

Fellow Framers,

Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when the current
page is filled with text? I have combined all my master pages into one
template file. After I create an Appendix say, and the first page is filled
with content, the page that follows does not use the same master page.

Also, if a chapter had n number of pages and some text was deleted, the
chapter no longer ends in even pages like it used to, it leaves all those
white blank pages that have to be manually deleted.

Appreciate sharing your experience with Frame.

Disconnected Pages

[Rene Stephenson]

To force even-numbered pages in a given FM file, choose Format>Page Layouts> 
Pagination, and make sure Before Saving & Printing is set to Make Page Count 
Even.

As for the Master Page usage issue, I'm not clear what you're trying to 
achieve. The place you'd set it is Format>Page Layouts>Master Page Usage, but 
what you'd set depends on the desired effect.  If you're wanting to use the 
same master page for all pages in the file, you'd pick the page you want in the 
Custom field, make sure all the pages are in the range of pages listed in the 
Apply To area, select Even and Odd, and then click Apply. If that's not what 
you're wanting, you can fiddle with the settings on that window to get what 
you're wanting, or repost with some more details. ;-)

HTH
Rene

Texan Scriber  wrote: Fellow Framers,

Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when the current
page is filled with text? I have combined all my master pages into one
template file. After I create an Appendix say, and the first page is filled
with content, the page that follows does not use the same master page.

Also, if a chapter had n number of pages and some text was deleted, the
chapter no longer ends in even pages like it used to, it leaves all those
white blank pages that have to be manually deleted.

Appreciate sharing your experience with Frame.
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Disconnected Pages

[Ridder, Fred]

Combining everything into one template may sound like a good idea,
but there are a lot of tradeoffs involved for little (if any) real
benefit. 
It *can* be worthwhile to have standardized character catalogs and
paragraph catalogs across all your documents, but one advantage 
of  the FrameMaker document model is that this can be accomplished 
by importing just those catalogs as necessary.

The problem with combining all master pages into one template is 
that you wind up never using the default left/right mater pages, and 
this is what produces the kind of behavior you've described. You'll
wind up having to apply master pages manually to most of the 
pages in most of your documents, and you'll wind up always having 
to delete empty pages at the ends of chapters manually because 
once you apply a non-default master page FrameMaker no longer
considers the page to be truly empty. To my way of thinking, it's
much better to have a separate template for each variation of what
the default pages should look like. Depending on your page design,
you may be able to get fancy with things like the Running H/F
system variables so that you can use the same master page for
appendixes as well as chapters, but there's not much downside 
to simply having different templates with different default master
page designs for the different categories of book components.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Texan Scriber
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Disconnected Pages

Fellow Framers,

Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when the current
page is filled with text? I have combined all my master pages into one
template file. After I create an Appendix say, and the first page is
filled
with content, the page that follows does not use the same master page.

Also, if a chapter had n number of pages and some text was deleted, the
chapter no longer ends in even pages like it used to, it leaves all
those
white blank pages that have to be manually deleted.

Appreciate sharing your experience with Frame.
___

Disconnected Pages

[Combs, Richard]

Texan Scriber wrote: 

> Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when 
> the current page is filled with text? I have combined all my 
> master pages into one template file. After I create an 
> Appendix say, and the first page is filled with content, the 
> page that follows does not use the same master page.

Fred Ridder's right: your problems stem from not using the default
master pages. But I'll go further than Fred. There's no good reason not
to use the exact same Left and Right master pages for almost all the
files in a standard book -- certainly for all the chapters and
appendixes. There's nothing "fancy" with H/F variables required,
assuming you use the <$chapnum> variable for chapter/appendix numbering.


You probably need different default master pages for an index (typically
2-col layout) and maybe a title-page file. And of course, the custom
master page you use to start a file might have several versions -- say,
First, TOCFirst, TitleFirst, whatever. But what page layout changes are
required going from a chapter to an appendix, or even to frontmatter
(TOC, LOF, etc.) or intro/preface?

My $0.02. 

Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Disconnected Pages

[Ridder, Fred]

If your headers and footers include titles or headings as well as
the chapter number, you do need to get at least a little "fancy"
with the Running H/F variables to account for the fact that 
different tags are often used for titles of chapters vs. prefaces
vs. appendixes vs. glossaries. You at least need to know 
how to specify multiple tag names in a $paratext variable. 
Not terribly fancy, I'll admit, but it's surprising how many 
Frame users don't know how to do that.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:22 PM
To: Texan Scriber; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Disconnected Pages

Texan Scriber wrote: 

> Does anybody know how to specify the master page to use when 
> the current page is filled with text? I have combined all my 
> master pages into one template file. After I create an 
> Appendix say, and the first page is filled with content, the 
> page that follows does not use the same master page.

Fred Ridder's right: your problems stem from not using the default
master pages. But I'll go further than Fred. There's no good reason not
to use the exact same Left and Right master pages for almost all the
files in a standard book -- certainly for all the chapters and
appendixes. There's nothing "fancy" with H/F variables required,
assuming you use the <$chapnum> variable for chapter/appendix numbering.


You probably need different default master pages for an index (typically
2-col layout) and maybe a title-page file. And of course, the custom
master page you use to start a file might have several versions -- say,
First, TOCFirst, TitleFirst, whatever. But what page layout changes are
required going from a chapter to an appendix, or even to frontmatter
(TOC, LOF, etc.) or intro/preface?

My $0.02. 

Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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303-223-5111
--
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Links not working in Adobe

[Carol Wade]

I have created separate FrameMaker documents that cross-reference each
other. At a point, the links were working in the generated PDFs (Named
Destinations and Generate Actobat Data are selected). Now, none of them
work. (I have now added crossreferences to the master pages, but don't
think this has anything to do with the problem.)



It seems that I must be doing something wrong that should be obvious,
such as not selecting Named Destinations and Generate Actobat Data, but
I don't know what else to look for.



I converted a document to MIF, and it appears that at least one path is
incorrect, if that is what is meat by "MasterIndex.fm'>," because the absoulte path whould be
c:\CustomerDocs\NewUserDocumentation. This is also wrong for a relative
path, if "" resolves to "c:\."



I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 and Acrobat Distiller 7.0.7.



Thanks for any suggestions!



Carol




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Links not working in Adobe

[Carol Wade]

I should clarify that the crossreferences referred to in my earlier
email have nothing to do with index entries.



Thanks,

Carol



From: Carol Wade 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:26 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com.'
Subject: Links not working in Adobe



I have created separate FrameMaker documents that cross-reference each
other. At a point, the links were working in the generated PDFs (Named
Destinations and Generate Actobat Data are selected). Now, none of them
work. (I have now added crossreferences to the master pages, but don't
think this has anything to do with the problem.)



It seems that I must be doing something wrong that should be obvious,
such as not selecting Named Destinations and Generate Actobat Data, but
I don't know what else to look for.



I converted a document to MIF, and it appears that at least one path is
incorrect, if that is what is meat by "MasterIndex.fm'>," because the absoulte path whould be
c:\CustomerDocs\NewUserDocumentation. This is also wrong for a relative
path, if "" resolves to "c:\."



I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 and Acrobat Distiller 7.0.7.



Thanks for any suggestions!



Carol




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Printing Chapters to Separate files; Was: Links not working in Adobe

[Carol Wade]

I have identified the problem I was having with links not working among
separate PDFs. The problem resulted from generating the PDFs from a
FrameMaker book file. I must not understand the Print dialog box option
"Save Book as...  Separate File for each document." Although this does
create separate PDFs, the links all reference the filename entered in
the box "Print to File." Obviously then the links are then broken.



Can anyone explain to me what I am misunderstanding or tell me how to
make this work?





From: Carol Wade 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:30 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com.'
Subject: RE: Links not working in Adobe



I should clarify that the crossreferences referred to in my earlier
email have nothing to do with index entries.



Thanks,

Carol



From: Carol Wade 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:26 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com.'
Subject: Links not working in Adobe



I have created separate FrameMaker documents that cross-reference each
other. At a point, the links were working in the generated PDFs (Named
Destinations and Generate Actobat Data are selected). Now, none of them
work. (I have now added crossreferences to the master pages, but don't
think this has anything to do with the problem.)



It seems that I must be doing something wrong that should be obvious,
such as not selecting Named Destinations and Generate Actobat Data, but
I don't know what else to look for.



I converted a document to MIF, and it appears that at least one path is
incorrect, if that is what is meat by "MasterIndex.fm'>," because the absoulte path whould be
c:\CustomerDocs\NewUserDocumentation. This is also wrong for a relative
path, if "" resolves to "c:\."



I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 and Acrobat Distiller 7.0.7.



Thanks for any suggestions!



Carol




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Subject: disappearing numbers from PDF graphics

[Rita Muller]

Hi Orly,

Sometimes Frame doesn't handle text, fonts, and
numbers placed inside a graphic from Corel, PS, or any
graphics program. Here are a couple of things I've
tried in this instance. 

1.) Import the graphic into Frame, then add the
numbers in a text box. This solution depends on where
you need the numbers placed. Best is if #'s surround
the graphics. 

2.) Check the Font size in Corel and make it larger
then you want. Reimport then check the PDF for the
numbers.

HTH,

Rita


> Hi All, 
> I have a strange problem with one of the graphics in
> my PDF file created from FM7.0.
> I used CorelDraw to create the graphic,and then
> exported to a WMF format.
> I create the PDF using Distiller and Acrobat 5.0. 
>  
> Problem, 
> Two sets of numbers in the graphics appear at will:
> sometimes you see it and sometimes you don't -
> depending on the magnification size. I don't really
> care about it on-screen, as this is for printing a
> small guide. But when I printed the page, I also
> lost those numbers, although you can see them on
> screen. 
>  
> Does anyone know what is going on ?
> TIA,
> Orly.
>  
> Orly Zimmerman
> Technical Writer
> Tadiran Telecom LTD
> orly.zimerman at tadirantele.com
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disappearing numbers from PDF graphics

[Smith, Terry]

Using WMFs files in PDFs can cause all sorts of problems, particularly
with all or part of the WMF disappearing unexpectedly. In my experience,
switching from WMF to EPS eliminates the problems. 

An aside: The only time I use WMF now is if I need to give the graphics
to folks who don't have the tools to edit the source files. For example,
I can paste the WMFs into PowerPoint for the marketing guys. After
double-clicking the WMF, it becomes completely editable (color, line
weight, fonts) in PowerPoint.

-Terry Smith

Headings (con't) in FM 7.2?

[Gillespie, Terilyn]

Hello All,



I've searched and searched through archives, etc., looking for
information on this and other than a few mentions several years ago, all
saying it wasn't possible, have come up empty handed.  So, my question
to you folks is:  is it possible to have a heading repeated at the top
of a new page, with the actual words (continued), after the heading?
And if so, how would I go about it?



I'm thinking I may well have to settle for some running H/F magic to get
a close approximation of what I'm after but was hoping for a simple
Header 1 (con't) mechanism.  TIA.



Terilyn Gillespie

Technical Communications Specialist

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