Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Karen Mardahl]

Hi Pat

On 11/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: The
Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word Caution (in
the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer
types text in the third.

They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and the
word Caution as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text.

Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a
run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm guessing
this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually entered
text, just the word Caution from the autonumbering field.

I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the run-in head
wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to convert
existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this to work?


My first thought is convert table to text and back again. This simple
trick can save a lot of bother. From what you say, you have
Cell 1: Icon Cell 2: paratag Cell 3: text

Conversion gives you
Icon Tab paratag Tab text
(You can specify that cell divisions are tabs, semi-colons, whatever.)

Then you just remove the second Tab so you have
Icon Tab paratag text

Convert that back to a table, and you should have
Cell 1: Icon Cell 2 paratag text

Marking a table gives you the choice of Table  Convert to Paragraphs...
Marking text block gives you Table  Convert to Table...

Does that help (or make any sense)?

regards, Karen Mardahl
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Further, if you are uploading using some engine that uses ActiveX,
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Try to delete the cache in IE history and try again.

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On 11/15/06, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

After I upload a file update to my webserver, I like to test the
upload by downloading it using Internet Explorer.  However, the file I
download is always the original version, not the update.  FireFox
doesn't suffer this problem.  If I give the update a different name,
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RE: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Combs, Richard]

Pat Christenson wrote: 
 
 A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a 
 three-cell table: The Caution icon (in a reference) frame is 
 in the first cell, the word Caution (in the Autonumbering 
 field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer 
 types text in the third.
 
 They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the 
 first cell and the word Caution as a run-in head in the 
 second cell along with the text.
 
 Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead 
 paragraph to a run-in head and straddle the two cells, the 
 run-in head disappears. I'm guessing this is because 
 technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually 
 entered text, just the word Caution from the autonumbering field.

You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty pgf,
that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do you
want to make the Caution pgf a run-in head? 

Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine
it to have Caution as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the
autonumber so the word Caution looks the way you want it). You don't
need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the autonumber
property of the following pgf can do. 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Splitting Table Cells

[Gillian Flato]

Yeah, that's basically what I did. It's disappointing that Frame can't
do this. 


Thank you,

Gillian 
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Gillian,

You could add a column and then merge the cells in the rows above and 
below the cell to be split. Crude but effective.

Ron

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How do you split a Table cell in Unstructured Frame? 
 

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Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Pat Christenson]

Hi Richard -

The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we 
wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when 
upgrading existing docs to the new templates.


Thanks -

Pat

On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:




You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty 
pgf,
that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do 
you

want to make the Caution pgf a run-in head?

Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine
it to have Caution as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the
autonumber so the word Caution looks the way you want it). You don't
need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the 
autonumber

property of the following pgf can do.

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Ridder, Fred]

I'm not sure I agree. All you'll need to do for each instance is
delete the middle column of the table and then retag the 
paragraph in the right cell. And maybe resize the right column,
which you can do globally if you have Rick Quatro's wonderful
TableCleaner plug-in and have applied the same table format to
each of the tables. No muss, no fuss.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
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Intel
Parsippany, NJ

 

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Subject: Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

Hi Richard -

The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we 
wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when 
upgrading existing docs to the new templates.

Thanks -

Pat

On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:


 You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty 
 pgf,
 that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do 
 you
 want to make the Caution pgf a run-in head?

 Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine
 it to have Caution as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the
 autonumber so the word Caution looks the way you want it). You don't
 need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the 
 autonumber
 property of the following pgf can do.

 HTH!
 Richard


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RE: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Combs, Richard]

Pat Christenson wrote:
 
 Hi Richard -
 
 The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going 
 with but we wanted to explore this other alternative because 
 it's less work when upgrading existing docs to the new templates.

Unless I misunderstood, it's not more work -- in fact, it's the exact
same process. You wanted to straddle the 2nd and 3rd cells and end up
with a run-in CautionHead followed by CautionText. If you redefine
CautionText with the Caution autonumber, the same straddle step does
just what you need because straddling the cells removes the
no-longer-needed empty CautionHead pgf. 

Richard


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Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[pxen...@comcast.net]

A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: The 
Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word "Caution" 
(in 
the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer 
types text in the third.

They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and the 
word "Caution" as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text.

Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a 
run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm 
guessing 
this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually entered 
text, just the word "Caution" from the autonumbering field.

I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the run-in head 
wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to convert 
existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this to work?

Thanks.

Pat Christenson

Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Karen Mardahl]

Hi Pat

On 11/17/06, pxenson at comcast.net  wrote:
> A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a three-cell table: 
> The
> Caution icon (in a reference) frame is in the first cell, the word "Caution" 
> (in
> the Autonumbering field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer
> types text in the third.
>
> They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the first cell and 
> the
> word "Caution" as a run-in head in the second cell along with the text.
>
> Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead paragraph to a
> run-in head and straddle the two cells, the run-in head disappears. I'm 
> guessing
> this is because technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually 
> entered
> text, just the word "Caution" from the autonumbering field.
>
> I realize there are other ways to achieve the same look but if the run-in head
> wasn't destroyed by straddling the cells, it would be simpler to convert
> existing Cautions to the new format. Any ideas on how I can get this to work?

My first thought is convert table to text and back again. This simple
trick can save a lot of bother. From what you say, you have
Cell 1: Icon Cell 2: paratag Cell 3: text

Conversion gives you
Icon Tab paratag Tab text
(You can specify that cell divisions are tabs, semi-colons, whatever.)

Then you just remove the second Tab so you have
Icon Tab paratag text

Convert that back to a table, and you should have
Cell 1: Icon Cell 2 paratag text

Marking a table gives you the choice of Table > Convert to Paragraphs...
Marking text block gives you Table > Convert to Table...

Does that help (or make any sense)?

regards, Karen Mardahl

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[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

The Intentionally Evil, sorry, Internet Explorer seems to keep VERY
long to cached files. We have this problem with our upload too.
Further, if you are uploading using some engine that uses ActiveX,
that further seems to slow things down.

Try to delete the cache in IE history and try again.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Air Atlanta Icelandic

On 11/15/06, Doug  wrote:
> After I upload a file update to my webserver, I like to test the
> upload by downloading it using Internet Explorer.  However, the file I
> download is always the original version, not the update.  FireFox
> doesn't suffer this problem.  If I give the update a different name,
> even if it's only one letter different, I'm able to download the
> update.  But if the name is the same then the earlier version is what
> gets downloaded.  This occurs even if I delete the earlier version
> before I upload the update, so it makes me think that IE is sending me
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Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Combs, Richard]

Pat Christenson wrote: 

> A client's template currently has Cautions formatted as a 
> three-cell table: The Caution icon (in a reference) frame is 
> in the first cell, the word "Caution" (in the Autonumbering 
> field of the CautionHead) is in the second, and the writer 
> types text in the third.
> 
> They want to change to a two-cell table with the icon in the 
> first cell and the word "Caution" as a run-in head in the 
> second cell along with the text.
> 
> Here's the strange behavior: When you change the CautionHead 
> paragraph to a run-in head and straddle the two cells, the 
> run-in head disappears. I'm guessing this is because 
> technically that paragraph is empty, having no manually 
> entered text, just the word "Caution" from the autonumbering field.

You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty pgf,
that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do you
want to make the "Caution" pgf a run-in head? 

Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine
it to have "Caution" as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the
autonumber so the word "Caution" looks the way you want it). You don't
need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the autonumber
property of the following pgf can do. 

HTH!
Richard


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Splitting Table Cells

[Ron Teplitz]

Gillian,

You could add a column and then merge the cells in the rows above and 
below the cell to be "split." Crude but effective.

Ron

Message: 8
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:17:32 -0800
From: "Gillian Flato" 
Subject: Splitting cells
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How do you split a Table cell in Unstructured Frame? 


Thank you,



 Gillian Flato

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Splitting Table Cells

[Gillian Flato]

Yeah, that's basically what I did. It's disappointing that Frame can't
do this. 


Thank you,

Gillian 
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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Splitting Table Cells

Gillian,

You could add a column and then merge the cells in the rows above and 
below the cell to be "split." Crude but effective.

Ron

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:17:32 -0800
From: "Gillian Flato" 
Subject: Splitting cells
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How do you split a Table cell in Unstructured Frame? 


Thank you,



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Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Pat Christenson]

Hi Richard -

The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we 
wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when 
upgrading existing docs to the new templates.

Thanks -

Pat

On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
>>
>
> You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty 
> pgf,
> that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do 
> you
> want to make the "Caution" pgf a run-in head?
>
> Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine
> it to have "Caution" as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the
> autonumber so the word "Caution" looks the way you want it). You don't
> need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the 
> autonumber
> property of the following pgf can do.
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
> --
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> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
>
>
>
>

Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Ridder, Fred]

I'm not sure I agree. All you'll need to do for each instance is
delete the middle column of the table and then retag the 
paragraph in the right cell. And maybe resize the right column,
which you can do globally if you have Rick Quatro's wonderful
TableCleaner plug-in and have applied the same table format to
each of the tables. No muss, no fuss.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Staff Information Services Analyst
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:45 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers List
Subject: Re: Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

Hi Richard -

The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going with but we 
wanted to explore this other alternative because it's less work when 
upgrading existing docs to the new templates.

Thanks -

Pat

On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
>>
>
> You're right, when you straddle two cells, if one contains an empty 
> pgf,
> that pgf disappears. But you don't need three pgfs, just two. Why do 
> you
> want to make the "Caution" pgf a run-in head?
>
> Let's say your current third cell contains a CautionText pgf. Redefine
> it to have "Caution" as the autonumber (apply a char tag to the
> autonumber so the word "Caution" looks the way you want it). You don't
> need an empty run-in CautionHead pgf to do something that the 
> autonumber
> property of the following pgf can do.
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
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> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
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>
>
>
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Unexpected problem with straddling table cells

[Combs, Richard]

Pat Christenson wrote:

> Hi Richard -
> 
> The route you suggest is probably what we'll end up going 
> with but we wanted to explore this other alternative because 
> it's less work when upgrading existing docs to the new templates.

Unless I misunderstood, it's not more work -- in fact, it's the exact
same process. You wanted to straddle the 2nd and 3rd cells and end up
with a run-in CautionHead followed by CautionText. If you redefine
CautionText with the "Caution" autonumber, the same straddle step does
just what you need because straddling the cells removes the
no-longer-needed empty CautionHead pgf. 

Richard


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third party vendors

[Karsten Natebus]

Hello Michael,

you can do this with a recursive function or sub.

Set StartDir = 'c:\programme\';
Run RecDir pv_strDir(StartDir);

Sub RecDir Using pv_strDir
Local lv_strStartDir;
Local lv_objFileInfo;
Local lv_blnRetStat;
Local lv_strPathName;
Local lv_intRetPos;
Local lv_strExtension;
Local lv_lv_strRetStr;

Set lv_strStartDir = pv_strDir;
New EFileInfo NewVar(vFileInfo) Filename(lv_strStartDir + '\*.*');
Set lv_objFileInfo = vFileInfo;
Loop While(lv_objFileInfo.FilePresent)
If lv_objFileInfo.IsDirectory = false

// code for found files

Else
Find String('\.')
InString (lv_objFileInfo.FilePath)
ReturnPos(lv_intRetPos)
ReturnStatus(lv_blnRetStat)
ReturnString(lv_strRetStr);
If lv_blnRetStat = false
Find String('\..')
InString (lv_objFileInfo.FilePath)
ReturnPos(lv_intRetPos)
ReturnStatus(lv_blnRetStat)
ReturnString(lv_strRetStr);
if lv_blnRetStat = false
// code for found folders

//start search in folder (recursive)
Run RecDir
pv_strDir(lv_objFileInfo.FilePath);
EndIf
EndIf
EndIf
Run lv_objFileInfo.GetNext;
EndLoop
DELETE Object(lv_objFileInfo);
EndSub

See the full sourcecode on
http://framescript.natebus.de/index.php?navi=script_misc .

Best regards Karsten 'MAC' Natebus 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+karsten=natebus...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+karsten=natebus.de at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:23 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OT: third party vendors

All, 

In the process of putting together a tools and pricing plan for the VP of
Product Engineering. I am trying to find third party vendors that are
resellers of Adobe Framemaker and Adobe's own list for this information is
woefully out-of-date. Specifically, I am hoping to find vendors that still
offer the TPL version of licensing ("x" number of licenses for this reduced
rate plus a guarantee of point releases and one major upgrade), but any and
all suggestions are appreciated. I am in the Denver metro area.

TIA, 

TVB 

Tammy L. Van Boening
Engineering Technical Writer
Fiserv Insurance Solutions
Property and Casualty Division
303-729-7733
tammy.vanboening at fiserv.com 


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Quick Context-sensitive question

[Ron Miller]

Frame 7.1
WebWorks Publisher 2003

I'm placing topic aliases in my documents so my client can generate 
context-sensitive help.

There are several topics, which need to point to the same help topic. In 
a case like this, do I just create the single topic alias, then have the 
programmers set it up to point to the same topic, or do I have to set up 
three separate topic aliases?

Thanks,
Ron