RE: found by search function

[Harro de Jong]

Gunnar Carlsson wrote:

 Another question: has FrameMaker something like  ^  in Word, meaning
 what you found. Extremely useful when adding text,  for example  
 Search 
 for*,  change to [^]  which means that all words starting with
 for will be in [ ]. 

No, Frame doesn't have this function, unfortunately. 
You could do it in MIF, though (using a text editor that supports grep),
or in FrameMaker using a scripting tool.  

Harro de Jong
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RE: Auto Counters for Headings 1, 2, and 3

[Harro de Jong]

Susan Nishi wrote:


 I'm trying to set up auto counters in my document with the
 following H1,
 H2, and H3. Up until now, they've been manually coded. Chapter 1 uses
 the 1.1 series, Chapter 2 uses the 2.1 series so on.
 
 
 
 Is it possible to use one H1 or do I have to code the 2.1.,
 3.1. series
 differently? The issue seems straightforward yet I can't make
 this work
 accordingly in Frame 7.2. I would really appreciate input and other
 people's experience on this. 

That should be a piece of cake. 

Use these autonumber formats:
Chapter:
H:$chapnum =0 =0 =0

Heading 1
H:$chapnum.n+ =0 =0

Heading 2:
H:$chapnum.n.n+ =0

Heading 3:
H:$chapnum.n.n.n+

Then, set up your book correctly: right-click a chapter, then select
Numbering. Use the Chapter tab to set up the chapter number ('continue
numbering from previous file'), and the Paragraph tab to set up the
section numbering within each chapter ('restart paragraph numbering'). 

Harro de Jong

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RE: Recall: FM to RH Import Settings?

[peter]

To late!

It's already been sent to the world!

Peter




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Handel, Randy would like to recall the message, FM to RH Import Settings?.
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Re: border around a word?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:24 -0500 6/8/07, Peter Gold wrote:

It  is perhaps a little easier to size and position a text line inside
an inline anchored frame, than a text frame. You can create the text
with the text line tool (the A tool on the Graphics tool panel), and
drag or paste it inside an anchored frame that's set to at insertion
point and has been shrunk with the keystroke sequence Escape m p (tap
each key, lower case required).

Peter is right. All you lose by this is the ability to apply para and char tags 
to the framed word. Your application will determine how important this is for 
you.

-- 
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Re: border around a word?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:11 -0700 6/8/07, Courtney Collins wrote:

I haven't ever tried this, but what about creating a box on the reference page 
and using that instead of the lines that usually appear there? I'm home now, 
but I will try ot tomorrow at work if I get time.

Not sure if this would work. The purpose - or one of them - of reference frame 
graphics is to use in association with the 'Frame above' and 'Frame below' 
features in the Paragraph Designer. I can tell you from experience that if you 
use negative vertical leading to try to superimpose a reference frame graphic 
over a paragraph, as you would have to to frame, say, a heading, the text does 
not display correctly. The best I have ever managed was a line below and to the 
right of a [standard] one-word paragraph [it said 'INTRODUCTION'].

However, you want a frame around a specific word. I don't see a way of getting 
round having to resize the frame to fit the word each time. As I mentioned 
before, if it's just a small subset of words, SP's Autotext plug-in will give 
you an easy and cheap way of inserting the composite object.

-- 
Steve
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Foxy stuff on master pages

[Steve Rickaby]

Hi Framers

In off-group discussions with Angela and others, it's become only too clear 
that it's possible to create clever stuff on master pages that is obvious to 
its designer but to no-one else ;-) For example, the auto thumbtabs stuff which 
came up recently on the group, or anything that involves a template with 
complex frames on master pages. Because this often involves overlaying 
transparent objects, it can create a maintenance headache for whoever comes 
afterwards, as recently witnessed by someone on the group who had to get an 
expert to fox out how their template was working [that was a thumbtabs thing]. 
It's real important therefore to document how the template works, if only in a 
few lines.

In the case I'm discussing with Angela, switchable page backgrounds, when the 
technique is working there are multiple conditionalised anchored frames on a 
master page, all the same size, all overlaying each other, and with their 
boundaries and anchors nudged outside the displayed area to create the required 
crop margins. That sort of thing would be enough to fox anyone.

A way to ensure that the description travels around with the template is to add 
one or more extra reference pages called 'Notes' or somesuch, and put a brief 
potted description of how the template - or it's more foxy features - operates 
there. That way the 'docs' can only be lost if someone deliberately deletes the 
relevant reference page(s).

When massing with multiple frames on master pages, it's a lot easier to see 
what's going on if you give the various frames a temporary - and different - 
fill pattern and/or colored border. When you've finished dickering with them, 
you can use the Find  anchored frame feature to select them one by one and 
remove the decorations. I use this when building frames for moving thumbtabs to 
get the stacking order for the various frames correct.

Hope this helps someone.

-- 
Steve
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Re: Foxy stuff on master pages

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:06 +0100 7/8/07, Steve Rickaby wrote:

When massing with multiple frames on master pages, it's a lot easier to see 
what's going on if you give the various frames a temporary - and different - 
fill pattern and/or colored border. When you've finished dickering with them, 
you can use the Find  anchored frame feature to select them one by one and 
remove the decorations. I use this when building frames for moving thumbtabs 
to get the stacking order for the various frames correct.

Sorry - the 'Find  anchored frame' bit only applies to the specific case 
Angela and I are discussing: apologies for any confusion [including mine].

-- 
Steve
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Re: border around a word?

[Peter Gold]

On 8/7/07, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Peter is right. All you lose by this is the ability to apply para and char 
 tags to the framed word. Your application will determine how important this 
 is for you.

Text lines accept character tags, but not paragraph tags.

Regards,

Peter
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Re: Foxy stuff on master pages

[Peter Gold]

On 8/7/07, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A way to ensure that the description travels around with the template is to 
 add one or more extra reference pages called 'Notes' or somesuch, and put a 
 brief potted description of how the template - or it's more foxy features - 
 operates there. That way the 'docs' can only be lost if someone deliberately 
 deletes the relevant reference page(s).

I agree that documentation for any template is essential for making
their maintenance efficient and less prone to errors. In my classes, I
recommend placing information in a master page's tagged text frame.
Tagged text frames (like Flow: A, etc.) on master pages do not display
their content on body pages; they only create text frames on body
pages they are applied to. In cases where there's a lot to document,
in the past I've suggested including a short instruction on where to
find a file with more complete documentation, and even creating a
cross-reference to that source file.

Steve's idea of using reference pages is even better, because there's
no way to lose the documentation. For master pages that need
documentation, I would add the suggestion to include a short comment
in a tagged text frame on those pages that mentions that there is
documentation on the reference page(s), and provide the reference page
name(s).

For authors who support others, including documentation with templates
can reduce their support load. It's as simple as asking There is
documentation on thee reference pages of the file. Have you tried
using it for help before asking for support?

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Re: border around a word?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 06:04 -0500 7/8/07, Peter Gold wrote:

Text lines accept character tags, but not paragraph tags.

I did not know that. Thanks ;-)

-- 
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RE: border around a word?

[Harro de Jong]

Steve Rickaby wrote:

 At 17:24 -0500 6/8/07, Peter Gold wrote:
 
 It  is perhaps a little easier to size and position a text line
 inside an inline anchored frame, than a text frame. You can create
 the text with the text line tool (the A tool on the Graphics tool
 panel), and drag or paste it inside an anchored frame that's set to
 at insertion point and has been shrunk with the keystroke sequence
 Escape m p (tap each key, lower case required).
 
 Peter is right. All you lose by this is the ability to apply
 para and char tags to the framed word. Your application will
 determine how important this is for you.

Actually, you lose more. 
1. words in text lines are ignored during a spell check. 
2. this method screws up translation, especially when you use CAT.
Instead of one sentence, the CAT will see two sentences and one word,
with no apparent connection between the three. 
3. If you ever change your template, you're screwed: all those words in
text lines will have to be manually reformatted. 

Harro de Jong
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Re: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Steve Cavanaugh wrote:

Odd... I'm running Acrobat 5.5 and 8 on this system, as well as a
competing product, and they all seem to work perfectly well together. 



Yeah, I think the point was that even though some people will get 
multiple versions to work, most people will run into problems, and some 
people who think everything works just don't use some features.


When you print to Adobe PDF, which version are you printing to?

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com
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Re: How to delete trailing spaces in one go?

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Bill Briggs wrote:

At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote:

What am I missing?


 Nothing?


Why do people not want those spaces?



For me, it's just a habit I learned in other programs in which a 
trailing space actually does occupy some space. It never occurred to me 
(and I actually haven't tested it) that a trailing space in FM 
*wouldn't* occupy some space. If you leave your trash lying around in 
Ventura, you're liable to end up with an extra line between paragraphs 
when the text fills the measure and that extra space gets pushed to the 
next line. I also clean up leading spaces, multiple spaces, stray tabs, 
and multiple returns.


Maybe trailing spaces are harmless in Frame, but Frame is just one of 
the programs I use, and this is one routine (of very few) that can be 
handled the same way in all my programs.


Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com
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RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Pinkham, Jim]

We're still at 7.1 and Acrobat Pro 6. All is relatively well. 

FM 8 seems attractive -- one thing that would entice me would be if
multiple undo has truly attained stability in FM 8. (Yes, I know the
chorus, Undo is for wimps! but I've been spoiled by all those years in
Word, at least on that particular score -- BTW, rugby players think NFL
football is for wimps, too, so each to his own.) 

A significant improvement in overall FM stability would interest me,
too. Usually 7.1 behaves itself, but the other day it crashed on a whim.
I save often enough to have averted major disaster, but it was still an
annoyance and work and time lost.

Acrobat 8, from what I've read, is likely significantly more stable than
6. Just as importantly, for us, would be the ability to bring AutoDesk
Inventor graphics into our documentation. We're not fully there yet, but
it doesn't take much of a crystal ball to see its possibilities in our
future.

I think we will go there. It's just a matter of time, budget, and how
quickly our workflow creates the demand to access the new advanced
features. 

I'm also curious to watch the development of InDesign and see how much
convergence it achieves with FM. I'm not holding my breath just yet, but
it's quite possibly an appealing future option.

Jim

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Subject: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

Hi Framers,

For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans?

Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time?

Thanks for your opinions!

Ben

Ben Hechter
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How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[Mike Wickham]

Unicode support is one of the touted new features of FM8. I thought this 
would finally allow me to choose some of those fancy characters outside the 
ASCII range, in the fonts that contain them.


But I can't figure out how to type a Unicode character! In Word, you type 
the hexadecimal character, then hit Alt-X. Frame's PDF user guide appears 
only to offer instructions for setting your computer and keyboard to use 
different languages _before_ you start Frame. Huh? I don't want to start 
typing in a foreign language. I just want to enter the occasional Unicode 
character or symbol. Can someone tell me how?


Or does this mean the only feature that would cause me to upgrade is 
worthless?


Mike Wickham


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Re: How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[Mike Wickham]

D'oh! Nevermind! I just figured out that I can copy and paste Unicode 
characters from Character Map.


Mike Wickham


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RE: Foxy stuff on master pages

[Fred Ridder]

An even slicker way to document customized master pages is to
put the explanatory text right in the master page because I think
few people would ever think to prowl through the reference pages
for this kind of information. The body text frame on the master
page is nothing more than a placeholder, and any content that
you place inside that frame will never show up on the body pages.
This provides a very convenient place to self-document each
custom master page.

Fred Ridder



From: Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Foxy stuff on master pages
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:06:02 +0100

Hi Framers

In off-group discussions with Angela and others, it's become only too clear 
that it's possible to create clever stuff on master pages that is obvious 
to its designer but to no-one else ;-) For example, the auto thumbtabs 
stuff which came up recently on the group, or anything that involves a 
template with complex frames on master pages. Because this often involves 
overlaying transparent objects, it can create a maintenance headache for 
whoever comes afterwards, as recently witnessed by someone on the group who 
had to get an expert to fox out how their template was working [that was a 
thumbtabs thing]. It's real important therefore to document how the 
template works, if only in a few lines.


In the case I'm discussing with Angela, switchable page backgrounds, when 
the technique is working there are multiple conditionalised anchored frames 
on a master page, all the same size, all overlaying each other, and with 
their boundaries and anchors nudged outside the displayed area to create 
the required crop margins. That sort of thing would be enough to fox 
anyone.


A way to ensure that the description travels around with the template is to 
add one or more extra reference pages called 'Notes' or somesuch, and put a 
brief potted description of how the template - or it's more foxy features - 
operates there. That way the 'docs' can only be lost if someone 
deliberately deletes the relevant reference page(s).


When massing with multiple frames on master pages, it's a lot easier to see 
what's going on if you give the various frames a temporary - and different 
- fill pattern and/or colored border. When you've finished dickering with 
them, you can use the Find  anchored frame feature to select them one by 
one and remove the decorations. I use this when building frames for moving 
thumbtabs to get the stacking order for the various frames correct.


Hope this helps someone.

--
Steve


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RE: How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[Randy . Handel]

FYI: They also finally import nicely from Word instead of just disappearing.
Why it took so long for this feature is another issue.


Randolph Handel 
Technical Writer
Medical Manager Research  Development
Sage Software
15151 NW 99th Street ● Alachua, FL 32615 
Office: 386.418.7137 ● Fax: 386.418.1591
www.sagehealth.com

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Subject: Re: How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

D'oh! Nevermind! I just figured out that I can copy and paste Unicode
characters from Character Map.

Mike Wickham


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Re: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Mike Wickham]

For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans?

Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time?


I plan to upgrade*, but I'm still playing with the trial version of FM8. For 
me, the coolest feature is the ability to insert Unicode characters. I can 
now take advantage of the full character range of those fonts that have 
characters above the ASCII range. I also like the new row of tabs for open 
files. You can see which files are open at a glance. Clicking on a tab beats 
the heck out of clicking on Window to call up the file list and then 
clicking the appopriate file. (It's still not as easy as Alt-Wn.)


There's also a new text edit tracking feature, similar to Word's, that shows 
added and deleted text in different colors. I have no need for it right now, 
but I like it more than the old change bar method. If you use conditional 
text, they've added some Boolean expressions that make it more versatile.


Mike Wickham

* That is, if I can find a solution to an apparent bug with the interaction 
of justification and allowing automatic letter spacing, that I reported in 
another thread. 



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RE: Recall: FM to RH Import Settings?

[Randy . Handel]

I sent a recall because I sent multiple postings to the list, but it seems
only one finally came through after all.  With that said, I am still
desperately looking for a solution for images in FrameMaker .mif files
importing correctly into RoboHelp.


Randolph Handel 
Technical Writer
Medical Manager Research  Development
Sage Software
15151 NW 99th Street ● Alachua, FL 32615 
Office: 386.418.7137 ● Fax: 386.418.1591
www.sagehealth.com


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To late!

It's already been sent to the world!

Peter




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Handel, Randy would like to recall the message, FM to RH Import Settings?.
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Re: How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Mike Wickham wrote:
D'oh! Nevermind! I just figured out that I can copy and paste Unicode 
characters from Character Map.



Yeah, Character Map works. I don't have FM8 yet, but I would have 
thought they would have included something like Indesign's Glyph 
palette, or Word's Insert Symbol.


Windows, at the OS level, doesn't provide any way to type Unicode 
characters (beyond changing the keyboard layout). But you can get third 
party software that lets you type a hex code or an ALT  numeric 
code. Take a look at http://www.cardbox.com/quick.htm.


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RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:41 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

(Yes, I know the chorus, Undo is for wimps! but I've been spoiled by all 
those years in Word...

Yeah, Wurd tends to have that effect - but not in the sense you mean ;-)

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RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Pinkham, Jim]

LOL. Thanks, Steve :) I'll not restart the tool wars by rising to the
bait on that one.

Jim

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Pinkham, Jim; objectives.ca; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

At 08:41 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

(Yes, I know the chorus, Undo is for wimps! but I've been spoiled by
all those years in Word...

Yeah, Wurd tends to have that effect - but not in the sense you mean ;-)

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RE: Auto Counters for Headings 1, 2, and 3

[Fred Ridder]

Harro's solution works perfectly as long as your document
is set up with each chapter in one or more separate files.
(If you have chapters that are split across multiple files,
it's by far the best approach.)

But if you have more than one chapter in a file you cannot
use the $chapnum system variable because that variable
can only increment on file boundaries. If you need to use
files that contain more than one chapter, you'll need to
use paragraph numbering counters for *all* of the
elements in the numbering scheme. For example:

Chapter:
H:n+ =0 =0 =0

Heading 1
H:n.n+ =0 =0

Heading 2:
H:n.n.n+ =0

Heading 3:
H:n.n.n.n+

And in this approach, it's important to note that the
Chapter tab in the Numbering properties sheet has *no*
effect because that tab only controls the behavior of
the $chapnum variable. In this approach, the Paragraph
numbering tab controls all parts of the heading numbering
and must *not* be set to restart the numbering in
any chapter except the first one.

-Fred Ridder



From: Harro de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Auto Counters for Headings 1, 2, and 3
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:36:14 +0200

Susan Nishi wrote:


 I'm trying to set up auto counters in my document with the
 following H1,
 H2, and H3. Up until now, they've been manually coded. Chapter 1 uses
 the 1.1 series, Chapter 2 uses the 2.1 series so on.



 Is it possible to use one H1 or do I have to code the 2.1.,
 3.1. series
 differently? The issue seems straightforward yet I can't make
 this work
 accordingly in Frame 7.2. I would really appreciate input and other
 people's experience on this.

That should be a piece of cake.

Use these autonumber formats:
Chapter:
H:$chapnum =0 =0 =0

Heading 1
H:$chapnum.n+ =0 =0

Heading 2:
H:$chapnum.n.n+ =0

Heading 3:
H:$chapnum.n.n.n+

Then, set up your book correctly: right-click a chapter, then select
Numbering. Use the Chapter tab to set up the chapter number ('continue
numbering from previous file'), and the Paragraph tab to set up the
section numbering within each chapter ('restart paragraph numbering').

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RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Diane Gaskill]

Thanks Dov.  I'll bring this up at our next staff meeting.

One thing I forgot to mention.  Even though our new docs are in FM
(finally!), we still have a lot of active docs in Word.  It's the PDFs from
Word that are giving us the problems.  We are using PDFMaker 7.0 from Word.
It's basically a Save As function.  Are there any known bugs with this
method?

(I can hear the comments out there now - Well, what do you expect from
Word?  :-)

Diane
==

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:21 PM
To: Diane Gaskill; Framers (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?


Without seeing one of these PDF files that cause problems it
would be very difficult to know what is really going on. For what
it is worth, some of the current clone PDF readers (including the
Mac previewer) have problems with perfectly valid PDF files from
Acrobat (or exported from InDesign and Illustrator). So ...
I suspect you are doing about the best you can by urging users
to newer versions of Reader. Note that if I was saving PDF files
for the general public and I didn't have need for features such
as JPEG 2000 compression and some of more sophisticated internal
compression of objects in PDF 1.5 (Acrobat 6), I would save to
Acrobat 5 compatibility.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:21 PM

 Dov,

 Amazing.  You described the exact problem we are concerned about at my
 company (and why I left Acrobat 5 on my system).  We are using Acrobat
7 but
 set the compatibility to Acrobat 6 in case some of our users are using
an
 older version.  But even so, we are getting some complaints from the
field
 that they can't open the PDF files.  After much discussion about
setting the
 compatibility back to Acrobrat 4, we decided instead to put a note on
the
 web page telling them to upgrade their copy of Reader if they are
having
 trouble opening the files.  We included the link to the Adobe download
page
 to encourage them to do it.  This is much better than conpromising the
 quality of the manuals because a few people have not updated their
systems.

 The puzzling part of the problem was that I was able to open the files
on a
 system that has only Acrobat 5 installed.  I got a warning message
saying
 that some features might not be displayed correctly but the file did
open.
 The support guys at my company could not open the files at all.  If
you have
 any ideas on what the problem might be, I'd appreciate it.  Is there a
 difference between how Acrobat looks at a PDF file (for reading) than
Reader
 does?

 Thanks,

 Diane  (cleaning system now)

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RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:55 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote:
LOL. Thanks, Steve :) I'll not restart the tool wars by rising to the
bait on that one.

Wise man, wise man ;-)

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RE: Need 8 Install Help

[Dov Isaacs]

Did you fully uninstall the beta test copy FIRST before trying
to install the trial version? If not, you are probably hosed
until you get a license.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Randall Larson-Maynard
 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:03 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Need 8 Install Help
 
 I was a beta 8 tester.
 
 Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed.
All went
 fine.
 
 Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not
gotten a code
 yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box
that says
 Product license has expired.
 
 Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all
temp files.
 I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.
 
 I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting
a code,
 which I do not have.
 
 Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with
Frame two
 hours ago!
 
 --
 Randall Larson-Maynard
 Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
 UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
 RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
 530.752.6141
 Fax 530.752.0329
 Google Talk, AIM,  Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
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RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Fred Ridder]

Compelling reasons are subjective and depend on your workflow
and what FrameMaker features that workflow depends on.

Boolean logic for show/hide rules and improved display of overlapping
conditions may be very compelling features for some users, but
are insignificantif you don't use conditions.

Support for Unicode characters may be compelling for a significant
number of users, but insignificant for many others.


From the standpoint of Adobe's strategy for FrameMaker, the

improvements in XML and DITA support are probably the
biggest changes in FM8, but for people who use unstructured
mode they are completely irrelevant.

Compelling is in the eye of the beholder.



From: objectives.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: objectives.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:00:42 -0600

Hi Framers,

For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans?

Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time?

Thanks for your opinions!

Ben

Ben Hechter
objectives.ca
Technical Performance Support Solutions
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Re: Need 8 Install Help

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Same problem with me, also reported to the Team. No resolution yet. :-(
Cost me two days of reworking into FM 7.2.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

On 8/1/07, Randall Larson-Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was a beta 8 tester.

 Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed. All 
 went
 fine.

 Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not gotten a 
 code
 yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box that says
 Product license has expired.

 Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all temp 
 files.
 I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.

 I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting a code,
 which I do not have.

 Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with Frame 
 two
 hours ago!

 --
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 Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
 UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
 RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
 530.752.6141
 Fax 530.752.0329
 Google Talk, AIM,  Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
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RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Trevor Nicholls]

If this truly is the case, I do wish that Adobe Reader had not taken it upon
itself to offer me a recommended upgrade to Adobe Reader 8 when I already
had Framemaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7.0 Distiller installed on my system. You'd
think it would have shown a bit more prudence, wouldn't you?

I haven't had any problems - yet.

Cheers
T

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 9:02 a.m.
To: Diane Gaskill; Framers (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

Although (very unfortunately), it is PHYSICALLY possible to
have multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat concurrently installed,
concurrent versions of Adobe Reader concurrently installed, or
some combination of versions of both Acrobat and Reader installed,
the truth is that the architecture of these programs and the
underlying operating system services used by same really only
fully supports installation of only one version of EITHER Adobe
Acrobat or Adobe Reader on one system at one time.


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RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

That does not violate the rules assuming that the Acrobat 7.0
Distiller installed on your system is what is installed by
FrameMaker, is not just part of a full Acrobat 7 install, and
you have no other full Acrobat versions installed!

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Trevor Nicholls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:40 AM
 
 If this truly is the case, I do wish that Adobe Reader had not taken
it upon
 itself to offer me a recommended upgrade to Adobe Reader 8 when I
already
 had Framemaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7.0 Distiller installed on my system.
You'd
 think it would have shown a bit more prudence, wouldn't you?
 
 I haven't had any problems - yet.
 
 Cheers
 T
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dov Isaacs
 Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 9:02 a.m.
 To: Diane Gaskill; Framers (E-mail)
 Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
 
 Although (very unfortunately), it is PHYSICALLY possible to
 have multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat concurrently installed,
 concurrent versions of Adobe Reader concurrently installed, or
 some combination of versions of both Acrobat and Reader installed,
 the truth is that the architecture of these programs and the
 underlying operating system services used by same really only
 fully supports installation of only one version of EITHER Adobe
 Acrobat or Adobe Reader on one system at one time.
 

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RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Trevor Nicholls]

Oh. Panic over then.

Thanks

Cheers
T

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 5:45 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Framers (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

That does not violate the rules assuming that the Acrobat 7.0
Distiller installed on your system is what is installed by
FrameMaker, is not just part of a full Acrobat 7 install, and
you have no other full Acrobat versions installed!

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Trevor Nicholls [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:40 AM
 
 If this truly is the case, I do wish that Adobe Reader had not taken
it upon
 itself to offer me a recommended upgrade to Adobe Reader 8 when I
already
 had Framemaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7.0 Distiller installed on my system.
You'd
 think it would have shown a bit more prudence, wouldn't you?
 
 I haven't had any problems - yet.
 
 Cheers
 T
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dov Isaacs
 Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 9:02 a.m.
 To: Diane Gaskill; Framers (E-mail)
 Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
 
 Although (very unfortunately), it is PHYSICALLY possible to
 have multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat concurrently installed,
 concurrent versions of Adobe Reader concurrently installed, or
 some combination of versions of both Acrobat and Reader installed,
 the truth is that the architecture of these programs and the
 underlying operating system services used by same really only
 fully supports installation of only one version of EITHER Adobe
 Acrobat or Adobe Reader on one system at one time.
 

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Re: Need 8 Install Help

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks for the notion here, Dov.

I _think_ I did. Had to, really, because of rather narrow space on my
HDs. But I did not uninstall until after downloading and maybe also
unzipping the Trial version. There were no explanations in the Beta
testers site that I recall telling about the proper procedure. Would
that be enough a reason?

You can say that Beta testers are paying extra here in a way. ;-)

RANT_MODE
I would buy the thing off the Adobe website if they only let me -- in
a fair trade. I don't like being laughing stock of Adobe Finance
Specialists (or whatever they are) who have set up their feudal system
so that we, Europeans have to pay much more for the same software than
Americans. Why? There is no special Icelandic version. It seems we,
Icelanders, are supposed to buy off the Danish website where
everything is in Danish and everything is expensive!

Someone should file a complaint to the Human Rights Board.
/RANT_MODE

There _will_ come a day when I will buy this at the right price! ;-)

Puff!

Bodvar

On 8/7/07, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Did you fully uninstall the beta test copy FIRST before trying
 to install the trial version? If not, you are probably hosed
 until you get a license.

 - Dov

  -Original Message-
  From: Randall Larson-Maynard
  Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:03 PM
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Need 8 Install Help
 
  I was a beta 8 tester.
 
  Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed.
 All went
  fine.
 
  Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not
 gotten a code
  yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box
 that says
  Product license has expired.
 
  Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all
 temp files.
  I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.
 
  I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting
 a code,
  which I do not have.
 
  Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with
 Frame two
  hours ago!
 
  --
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  Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
  UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
  RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
  530.752.6141
  Fax 530.752.0329
  Google Talk, AIM,  Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
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Re: Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS 10/Parallels

[Pat Christenson]

I've been running Frame 7.2 under Parallels on a MacBook Pro for  
about 6 months. I've only encountered a few gotchas. You have to get  
used to using Mac keys for Windows shortcuts (and you can avoid a  
lot of that if you use the Esc shortcuts which work just about  
anywhere). There's a kind of funky thing with dropdown menus. I have  
to click the menu twice - once to select it and once to display the  
choices.


I use several plugins and have had no problems.

I love Parallels.

NOTE: I haven't upgraded to Parallels 3 yet.

Pat Christenson

On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Thomas Pfaeffle wrote:


Folks,

I'm considering dumping the PC for a Macbook Pro. Does anyone have  
experience with running structured Frame 7.2/8 on the Macbook Pro  
with the Parallels emulator?  Are there any gotcha's? Any  
performance hits? Any experience you can share would be appreciated.


Thanks,
Tom

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Re: Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS 10/Parallels

[Pat Christenson]

One more thing: I'm running UNSTRUCTURED Frame.

Pat

On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Pat Christenson wrote:

I've been running Frame 7.2 under Parallels on a MacBook Pro for  
about 6 months. I've only encountered a few gotchas. You have to  
get used to using Mac keys for Windows shortcuts (and you can  
avoid a lot of that if you use the Esc shortcuts which work just  
about anywhere). There's a kind of funky thing with dropdown menus.  
I have to click the menu twice - once to select it and once to  
display the choices.


I use several plugins and have had no problems.

I love Parallels.

NOTE: I haven't upgraded to Parallels 3 yet.

Pat Christenson

On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Thomas Pfaeffle wrote:


Folks,

I'm considering dumping the PC for a Macbook Pro. Does anyone have  
experience with running structured Frame 7.2/8 on the Macbook Pro  
with the Parallels emulator?  Are there any gotcha's? Any  
performance hits? Any experience you can share would be appreciated.


Thanks,
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RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

PDFMaker as part of Acrobat 7 is not particularly problematic.
On the other hand, depending on the joboptions chosen, you certainly
can produce PDF files that can't be properly handled by older versions
of Acrobat and Reader.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:37 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs; Framers (E-mail)
 Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
 
 Thanks Dov.  I'll bring this up at our next staff meeting.
 
 One thing I forgot to mention.  Even though our new docs are in FM
 (finally!), we still have a lot of active docs in Word.  It's the PDFs
from
 Word that are giving us the problems.  We are using PDFMaker 7.0 from
Word.
 It's basically a Save As function.  Are there any known bugs with this
 method?
 
 (I can hear the comments out there now - Well, what do you expect
from
 Word?  :-)
 
 Diane
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Re: Recall: FM to RH Import Settings?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:45:30 -0400 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am still desperately looking for a solution for images 
in FrameMaker .mif files importing correctly into RoboHelp.

*If* you can't find one, you might want to consider using
Mif2Go instead of RH.  You can definitely use your original
graphics, as long as you have not added callouts or other
Frame vector objects, or placed more than one image in the
same anchored frame.  In those cases, we *do* generate a
replacement graphic, which causes loss of resolution, but 
at least you can choose the format used.  You can try our 
free unlimited demo and see if it works for you:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

If it does, at $295 we're way less expensive than RH
or ePP...  ;-)

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FW: border around a word?

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

 
Hi Gunnar,

I sent this to you yesterday and forgot to cc the list. Here is summary of 
most common method for an inline anchored frame.

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-Original Message-
From: Maxwell Hoffmann 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:54 AM
To: 'Gunnar Carlsson'
Subject: RE: border around a word?

Gunnar,

FrameMaker has no real equivalent for putting real borders or highlighter 
around words or paragraphs. If you want to box a paragraph, put it in a single 
cell table. The techique below (while crude) will put a box around two words on 
the character level and allow them to paginate during editing. You are 
essentially creating a small anchored frame:

== insert cursor where you desire to box the words == select and COPY the two 
words == use drawing tools to create a textline ([A] icon) in margin of the 
page
   
== select the text line as an object (control click) and CUT it to clipboard == 
use delete key to get rid of the original in-line two words to be boxed == 
insert cursor where beginning of two words was and PASTE
   (a below insertion point anchored frame is created with the two words in it) 
== with anchored frame selected, use following keys (one at a time):
   ESC  m  p
   this will shrinkwrap the graphic text and make the anchored frame slightly
   larger than the two words
== select the anchored frame and use drawing tools to turn make the 
   border of anchored frame black
== with anchored frame still selected, zoom to 200% and press ALT cursor down
   until the baseline of the boxed text aligns with text before and after == 
you now have boxed text that will move with text as you add or delete 
   content in that paragraph

... Obviously if you need to repeat the same boxed words, you can simply 
copy/paste the anchored frame. You can also select the anchored frame and 
applied a solid fill pattern, then whatever color or tint you want to achieve 
what looks like highlighter background.

There are other techniques as well, but this one works pretty well for me in 
training materials if I want to avoid using graphics or screen captures for 
buttons and such. I hope this helps you.


Maxwell Hoffmann
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Subject: border around a word?

Hi,

Does anyone know if there is an easy way to put a border around
1-2 words in a sentence,  for example to mark a button. Example: 
Please press  ABORT  to leave this funcion. Here I would like to have 
a thin border around  ABORT.  It is very simple to do in Word, but I 
have not found anything like that in FrameMaker.

Any idea?

Gunnar Carlsson
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Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS 10/Parallels

[Robert Stoker]

I run structured Frame 7.2 on a Macbook Pro through Parallels (with 
Windows XP on the Boot Camp partition) on my in-the-field machine. 
The configuration seems pretty solid. Working on the local hard drive, 
FrameMaker performance is acceptable although quite a bit slower than 
Frame 7.0 running on my G5 Mac desktop configuration. If you are 
accustomed to working on an older Windows machine, you will likely see 
an increase in performance.


Watch out if you work on a cross-platform server. The Frame/Parallels 
configuration is significantly slower when your work resides on a Mac 
server (for additional information, see 
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2007-June/008046.html). 
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you work on a Windows 
server or if you work locally.


Regards,
Robert Stoker
Seatech Publications, Inc.
Content Development,
FrameMaker Plug-ins, and
Product Information Management Systems
www.seatechpubs.com


On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Thomas Pfaeffle wrote:

 Folks,

 I'm considering dumping the PC for a Macbook Pro. Does anyone have
 experience with running structured Frame 7.2/8 on the Macbook Pro
 with the Parallels emulator?  Are there any gotcha's? Any
 performance hits? Any experience you can share would be appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Tom

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Re: Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS 10/Parallels

[Whites]

That might not be just a Parallels thingy.   For the longest time I  
have had to click twice in FM 7.x on XP in dropdown lists in  
dialogs.  Once to populate the dropdown, the second time to generate  
a scroll bar.  Am I alone?  A minor aggro - but still.


will white

On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Pat Christenson wrote:

I've been running Frame 7.2 under Parallels on a MacBook Pro for  
about 6 months. I've only encountered a few gotchas. You have to  
get used to using Mac keys for Windows shortcuts (and you can  
avoid a lot of that if you use the Esc shortcuts which work just  
about anywhere). There's a kind of funky thing with dropdown menus.  
I have to click the menu twice - once to select it and once to  
display the choices.


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There is something fascinating about science.
One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture
out of such a trifling investment of fact. - Twain
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FrameMaker 8 justification & auto letter spacing broken?

[Mike Wickham]

I've installed the trial version of FrameMaker 8 and am having what I
consider to be a major display problem. My FM doc no longer looks the same
on screen as in PDF. There is a change in behavior in the interaction 
between justification and automatic letter spacing settings. The two 
settings have become mutually exclusive, where they used to work 
concurrently. Before I file a bug report, or try a reinstallation, is anyone 
else seeing this, or am  I the only one?

In all instances, I have set the printer from within FrameMaker to Adobe PDF
before opening the documents, and justification is turned on for the
paragraph format. Changing the DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics= setting does not
help.  Here are the results of test settings:

A
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=Off
Automatic Letter Spacing is checked
1. Some justified lines don't reach the right-hand column edge.
2. Automatic letter spacing is applied.
COMMENT:  It turns out that the lines in the paragraph to
which FrameMaker has applied auto letter spacing are the same
lines that do not reach the right-hand column edge!


B
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=Off
Automatic Letter Spacing is unchecked
1. Justified lines all reach right-hand column edge.
2. No automatic letter spacing is applied.


C
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=On
Automatic Letter Spacing is checked
**These are the settings I normally use.**
1. Few justified lines reach right-hand column edge.
2. Automatic letter spacing is applied.


D
DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=On
Automatic Letter Spacing is unchecked
1. Justified lines all reach right-hand column edge.
2. No automatic letter spacing is applied.

I miss having my document look the same in FM as it does in PDF!

Mike Wickham

found by search function

[Harro de Jong]

Gunnar Carlsson wrote:

> Another question: has FrameMaker something like  ^&  in Word, meaning
> "what you found". Extremely useful when adding text,  for example  
> "Search 
> for*,  change to [^&]"  which means that all words starting with
> "for" will be in [ ]. 

No, Frame doesn't have this function, unfortunately. 
You could do it in MIF, though (using a text editor that supports grep),
or in FrameMaker using a scripting tool.  

Harro de Jong

Auto Counters for Headings 1, 2, and 3

[Harro de Jong]

Susan Nishi wrote:


> I'm trying to set up auto counters in my document with the
> following H1,
> H2, and H3. Up until now, they've been manually coded. Chapter 1 uses
> the 1.1 series, Chapter 2 uses the 2.1 series so on.
> 
> 
> 
> Is it possible to use one H1 or do I have to code the 2.1.,
> 3.1. series
> differently? The issue seems straightforward yet I can't make
> this work
> accordingly in Frame 7.2. I would really appreciate input and other
> people's experience on this. 

That should be a piece of cake. 

Use these autonumber formats:
Chapter:
H:<$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>

Heading 1
H:<$chapnum>.< =0>< =0>

Heading 2:
H:<$chapnum>..< =0>

Heading 3:
H:<$chapnum>...

Then, set up your book correctly: right-click a chapter, then select
Numbering. Use the Chapter tab to set up the chapter number ('continue
numbering from previous file'), and the Paragraph tab to set up the
section numbering within each chapter ('restart paragraph numbering'). 

Harro de Jong

Recall: FM to RH Import Settings?

[pe...@galley.ie]

To late!

It's already been sent to the world!

Peter




Original Message

Handel, Randy would like to recall the message, "FM to RH Import Settings?".
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border around a word?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:11 -0700 6/8/07, Courtney Collins wrote:

>I haven't ever tried this, but what about creating a box on the reference page 
>and using that instead of the lines that usually appear there? I'm home now, 
>but I will try ot tomorrow at work if I get time.

Not sure if this would work. The purpose - or one of them - of reference frame 
graphics is to use in association with the 'Frame above' and 'Frame below' 
features in the Paragraph Designer. I can tell you from experience that if you 
use negative vertical leading to try to superimpose a reference frame graphic 
over a paragraph, as you would have to to frame, say, a heading, the text does 
not display correctly. The best I have ever managed was a line below and to the 
right of a [standard] one-word paragraph [it said 'INTRODUCTION'].

However, you want a frame around a specific word. I don't see a way of getting 
round having to resize the frame to fit the word each time. As I mentioned 
before, if it's just a small subset of words, SP's Autotext plug-in will give 
you an easy and cheap way of inserting the composite object.

-- 
Steve

Foxy stuff on master pages

[Steve Rickaby]

Hi Framers

In off-group discussions with Angela and others, it's become only too clear 
that it's possible to create clever stuff on master pages that is obvious to 
its designer but to no-one else ;-) For example, the auto thumbtabs stuff which 
came up recently on the group, or anything that involves a template with 
complex frames on master pages. Because this often involves overlaying 
transparent objects, it can create a maintenance headache for whoever comes 
afterwards, as recently witnessed by someone on the group who had to get an 
expert to fox out how their template was working [that was a thumbtabs thing]. 
It's real important therefore to document how the template works, if only in a 
few lines.

In the case I'm discussing with Angela, switchable page backgrounds, when the 
technique is working there are multiple conditionalised anchored frames on a 
master page, all the same size, all overlaying each other, and with their 
boundaries and anchors nudged outside the displayed area to create the required 
crop margins. That sort of thing would be enough to fox anyone.

A way to ensure that the description travels around with the template is to add 
one or more extra reference pages called 'Notes' or somesuch, and put a brief 
potted description of how the template - or it's more foxy features - operates 
there. That way the 'docs' can only be lost if someone deliberately deletes the 
relevant reference page(s).

When massing with multiple frames on master pages, it's a lot easier to see 
what's going on if you give the various frames a temporary - and different - 
fill pattern and/or colored border. When you've finished dickering with them, 
you can use the Find > anchored frame feature to select them one by one and 
remove the decorations. I use this when building frames for moving thumbtabs to 
get the stacking order for the various frames correct.

Hope this helps someone.

-- 
Steve

Foxy stuff on master pages

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:06 +0100 7/8/07, Steve Rickaby wrote:

>When massing with multiple frames on master pages, it's a lot easier to see 
>what's going on if you give the various frames a temporary - and different - 
>fill pattern and/or colored border. When you've finished dickering with them, 
>you can use the Find > anchored frame feature to select them one by one and 
>remove the decorations. I use this when building frames for moving thumbtabs 
>to get the stacking order for the various frames correct.

Sorry - the 'Find > anchored frame' bit only applies to the specific case 
Angela and I are discussing: apologies for any confusion [including mine].

-- 
Steve

border around a word?

[Peter Gold]

On 8/7/07, Steve Rickaby  wrote:

> Peter is right. All you lose by this is the ability to apply para and char 
> tags to the framed word. Your application will determine how important this 
> is for you.

Text lines accept character tags, but not paragraph tags.

Regards,

Peter
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Foxy stuff on master pages

[Peter Gold]

On 8/7/07, Steve Rickaby  wrote:

> A way to ensure that the description travels around with the template is to 
> add one or more extra reference pages called 'Notes' or somesuch, and put a 
> brief potted description of how the template - or it's more foxy features - 
> operates there. That way the 'docs' can only be lost if someone deliberately 
> deletes the relevant reference page(s).

I agree that documentation for any template is essential for making
their maintenance efficient and less prone to errors. In my classes, I
recommend placing information in a master page's tagged text frame.
Tagged text frames (like Flow: A, etc.) on master pages do not display
their content on body pages; they only create text frames on body
pages they are applied to. In cases where there's a lot to document,
in the past I've suggested including a short instruction on where to
find a file with more complete documentation, and even creating a
cross-reference to that source file.

Steve's idea of using reference pages is even better, because there's
no way to lose the documentation. For master pages that need
documentation, I would add the suggestion to include a short comment
in a tagged text frame on those pages that mentions that there is
documentation on the reference page(s), and provide the reference page
name(s).

For authors who support others, including documentation with templates
can reduce their support load. It's as simple as asking "There is
documentation on thee reference pages of the file. Have you tried
using it for help before asking for support?"

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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border around a word?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 06:04 -0500 7/8/07, Peter Gold wrote:

>Text lines accept character tags, but not paragraph tags.

I did not know that. Thanks ;-)

-- 
Steve

border around a word?

[Harro de Jong]

Steve Rickaby wrote:

> At 17:24 -0500 6/8/07, Peter Gold wrote:
> 
>> It  is perhaps a little easier to size and position a text line
>> inside an "inline" anchored frame, than a text frame. You can create
>> the text with the text line tool (the "A" tool on the Graphics tool
>> panel), and drag or paste it inside an anchored frame that's set to
>> "at insertion point" and has been shrunk with the keystroke sequence
>> Escape m p (tap each key, lower case required).
> 
> Peter is right. All you lose by this is the ability to apply
> para and char tags to the framed word. Your application will
> determine how important this is for you.

Actually, you lose more. 
1. words in text lines are ignored during a spell check. 
2. this method screws up translation, especially when you use CAT.
Instead of one sentence, the CAT will see two sentences and one word,
with no apparent connection between the three. 
3. If you ever change your template, you're screwed: all those words in
text lines will have to be manually reformatted. 

Harro de Jong

border around a word?

[rebecca.l.fras...@aphis.usda.gov]

If I was going to put a border around a word, I would insert a text frame 
at the appropriate place, insert a table with one row and one column, set 
the appropriate width, set the margins to 2 pt or so, and set the 
appropriate ruling style. Then I would insert the word or phrase. 

Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Steve Cavanaugh wrote:
> Odd... I'm running Acrobat 5.5 and 8 on this system, as well as a
> competing product, and they all seem to work perfectly well together. 


Yeah, I think the point was that even though some people will get 
multiple versions to work, most people will run into problems, and some 
people who think everything works just don't use some features.

When you print to Adobe PDF, which version are you printing to?

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

How to delete trailing spaces in one go?

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Bill Briggs wrote:
> At 12:19 PM -0600 8/3/07, Combs, Richard wrote:
>> What am I missing?
> 
>  Nothing?
> 
>> Why do people not want those spaces?


For me, it's just a habit I learned in other programs in which a 
trailing space actually does occupy some space. It never occurred to me 
(and I actually haven't tested it) that a trailing space in FM 
*wouldn't* occupy some space. If you leave your trash lying around in 
Ventura, you're liable to end up with an extra line between paragraphs 
when the text fills the measure and that extra space gets pushed to the 
next line. I also clean up leading spaces, multiple spaces, stray tabs, 
and multiple returns.

Maybe trailing spaces are harmless in Frame, but Frame is just one of 
the programs I use, and this is one routine (of very few) that can be 
handled the same way in all my programs.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Pinkham, Jim]

We're still at 7.1 and Acrobat Pro 6. All is relatively well. 

FM 8 seems attractive -- one thing that would entice me would be if
multiple undo has truly attained stability in FM 8. (Yes, I know the
chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by all those years in
Word, at least on that particular score -- BTW, rugby players think NFL
football is for wimps, too, so each to his own.) 

A significant improvement in overall FM stability would interest me,
too. Usually 7.1 behaves itself, but the other day it crashed on a whim.
I save often enough to have averted major disaster, but it was still an
annoyance and work and time lost.

Acrobat 8, from what I've read, is likely significantly more stable than
6. Just as importantly, for us, would be the ability to bring AutoDesk
Inventor graphics into our documentation. We're not fully there yet, but
it doesn't take much of a crystal ball to see its possibilities in our
future.

I think we will go there. It's just a matter of time, budget, and how
quickly our workflow creates the demand to access the new advanced
features. 

I'm also curious to watch the development of InDesign and see how much
convergence it achieves with FM. I'm not holding my breath just yet, but
it's quite possibly an appealing future option.

Jim

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From: framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of objectives.ca
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:01 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

Hi Framers,

For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans?

Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time?

Thanks for your opinions!

Ben

Ben Hechter
objectives.ca
Technical Performance Support Solutions
Vancouver BC
t: 604-725-7385
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How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[Mike Wickham]

"Unicode support" is one of the touted new features of FM8. I thought this 
would finally allow me to choose some of those fancy characters outside the 
ASCII range, in the fonts that contain them.

But I can't figure out how to type a Unicode character! In Word, you type 
the hexadecimal character, then hit Alt-X. Frame's PDF user guide appears 
only to offer instructions for setting your computer and keyboard to use 
different languages _before_ you start Frame. Huh? I don't want to start 
typing in a foreign language. I just want to enter the occasional Unicode 
character or symbol. Can someone tell me how?

Or does this mean the only feature that would cause me to upgrade is 
worthless?

Mike Wickham

How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[Mike Wickham]

D'oh! Nevermind! I just figured out that I can copy and paste Unicode 
characters from Character Map.

Mike Wickham

Foxy stuff on master pages

[Fred Ridder]

An even slicker way to document customized master pages is to
put the explanatory text right in the master page because I think
few people would ever think to prowl through the reference pages
for this kind of information. The body text frame on the master
page is nothing more than a placeholder, and any content that
you place inside that frame will never show up on the body pages.
This provides a very convenient place to self-document each
custom master page.

Fred Ridder


>From: Steve Rickaby 
>To: framers at FrameUsers.com
>Subject: Foxy stuff on master pages
>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:06:02 +0100
>
>Hi Framers
>
>In off-group discussions with Angela and others, it's become only too clear 
>that it's possible to create clever stuff on master pages that is obvious 
>to its designer but to no-one else ;-) For example, the auto thumbtabs 
>stuff which came up recently on the group, or anything that involves a 
>template with complex frames on master pages. Because this often involves 
>overlaying transparent objects, it can create a maintenance headache for 
>whoever comes afterwards, as recently witnessed by someone on the group who 
>had to get an expert to fox out how their template was working [that was a 
>thumbtabs thing]. It's real important therefore to document how the 
>template works, if only in a few lines.
>
>In the case I'm discussing with Angela, switchable page backgrounds, when 
>the technique is working there are multiple conditionalised anchored frames 
>on a master page, all the same size, all overlaying each other, and with 
>their boundaries and anchors nudged outside the displayed area to create 
>the required crop margins. That sort of thing would be enough to fox 
>anyone.
>
>A way to ensure that the description travels around with the template is to 
>add one or more extra reference pages called 'Notes' or somesuch, and put a 
>brief potted description of how the template - or it's more foxy features - 
>operates there. That way the 'docs' can only be lost if someone 
>deliberately deletes the relevant reference page(s).
>
>When massing with multiple frames on master pages, it's a lot easier to see 
>what's going on if you give the various frames a temporary - and different 
>- fill pattern and/or colored border. When you've finished dickering with 
>them, you can use the Find > anchored frame feature to select them one by 
>one and remove the decorations. I use this when building frames for moving 
>thumbtabs to get the stacking order for the various frames correct.
>
>Hope this helps someone.
>
>--
>Steve

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How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[randy.han...@sage.com]

FYI: They also finally import nicely from Word instead of just disappearing.
Why it took so long for this feature is another issue.


Randolph Handel 
Technical Writer
Medical Manager Research & Development
Sage Software
15151 NW 99th Street ? Alachua, FL 32615 
Office: 386.418.7137 ? Fax: 386.418.1591
www.sagehealth.com

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+randy.handel=sage@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+randy.handel=sage.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:17 AM
To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: Re: How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

D'oh! Nevermind! I just figured out that I can copy and paste Unicode
characters from Character Map.

Mike Wickham


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For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Mike Wickham]

> For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans?
>
> Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time?

I plan to upgrade*, but I'm still playing with the trial version of FM8. For 
me, the coolest feature is the ability to insert Unicode characters. I can 
now take advantage of the full character range of those fonts that have 
characters above the ASCII range. I also like the new row of tabs for open 
files. You can see which files are open at a glance. Clicking on a tab beats 
the heck out of clicking on Window to call up the file list and then 
clicking the appopriate file. (It's still not as easy as Alt-Wn.)

There's also a new text edit tracking feature, similar to Word's, that shows 
added and deleted text in different colors. I have no need for it right now, 
but I like it more than the old change bar method. If you use conditional 
text, they've added some Boolean expressions that make it more versatile.

Mike Wickham

* That is, if I can find a solution to an apparent bug with the interaction 
of justification and allowing automatic letter spacing, that I reported in 
another thread. 

Recall: FM to RH Import Settings?

[randy.han...@sage.com]

I sent a recall because I sent multiple postings to the list, but it seems
only one finally came through after all.  With that said, I am still
desperately looking for a solution for images in FrameMaker .mif files
importing correctly into RoboHelp.


Randolph Handel 
Technical Writer
Medical Manager Research & Development
Sage Software
15151 NW 99th Street ? Alachua, FL 32615 
Office: 386.418.7137 ? Fax: 386.418.1591
www.sagehealth.com


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[mailto:framers-bounces+randy.handel=sage.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of peter at galley.ie
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:13 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: peter at galley.ie
Subject: RE: Recall: FM to RH Import Settings?

To late!

It's already been sent to the world!

Peter




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Handel, Randy would like to recall the message, "FM to RH Import Settings?".
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How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[Kenneth C. Benson]

Mike Wickham wrote:
> D'oh! Nevermind! I just figured out that I can copy and paste Unicode 
> characters from Character Map.


Yeah, Character Map works. I don't have FM8 yet, but I would have 
thought they would have included something like Indesign's Glyph 
palette, or Word's Insert Symbol.

Windows, at the OS level, doesn't provide any way to type Unicode 
characters (beyond changing the keyboard layout). But you can get third 
party software that lets you type a hex code or an ALT  numeric 
code. Take a look at http://www.cardbox.com/quick.htm.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:41 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

>(Yes, I know the chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by all 
>those years in Word...

Yeah, Wurd tends to have that effect - but not in the sense you mean ;-)

-- 
Steve

For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Pinkham, Jim]

LOL. Thanks, Steve :) I'll not restart the tool wars by rising to the
bait on that one.

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Pinkham, Jim; objectives.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

At 08:41 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

>(Yes, I know the chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by
all those years in Word...

Yeah, Wurd tends to have that effect - but not in the sense you mean ;-)

--
Steve

Auto Counters for Headings 1, 2, and 3

[Fred Ridder]

Harro's solution works perfectly as long as your document
is set up with each chapter in one or more separate files.
(If you have chapters that are split across multiple files,
it's by far the best approach.)

But if you have more than one chapter in a file you cannot
use the $chapnum system variable because that variable
can only increment on file boundaries. If you need to use
files that contain more than one chapter, you'll need to
use paragraph numbering counters for *all* of the
elements in the numbering scheme. For example:

Chapter:
H:< =0>< =0>< =0>

Heading 1
H:.< =0>< =0>

Heading 2:
H:..< =0>

Heading 3:
H:...

And in this approach, it's important to note that the
Chapter tab in the Numbering properties sheet has *no*
effect because that tab only controls the behavior of
the $chapnum variable. In this approach, the Paragraph
numbering tab controls all parts of the heading numbering
and must *not* be set to restart the numbering in
any chapter except the first one.

-Fred Ridder


>From: "Harro de Jong" 
>To: "framers" 
>Subject: RE: Auto Counters for Headings 1, 2, and 3
>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:36:14 +0200
>
>Susan Nishi wrote:
>
>
> > I'm trying to set up auto counters in my document with the
> > following H1,
> > H2, and H3. Up until now, they've been manually coded. Chapter 1 uses
> > the 1.1 series, Chapter 2 uses the 2.1 series so on.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it possible to use one H1 or do I have to code the 2.1.,
> > 3.1. series
> > differently? The issue seems straightforward yet I can't make
> > this work
> > accordingly in Frame 7.2. I would really appreciate input and other
> > people's experience on this.
>
>That should be a piece of cake.
>
>Use these autonumber formats:
>Chapter:
>H:<$chapnum>< =0>< =0>< =0>
>
>Heading 1
>H:<$chapnum>.< =0>< =0>
>
>Heading 2:
>H:<$chapnum>..< =0>
>
>Heading 3:
>H:<$chapnum>...
>
>Then, set up your book correctly: right-click a chapter, then select
>Numbering. Use the Chapter tab to set up the chapter number ('continue
>numbering from previous file'), and the Paragraph tab to set up the
>section numbering within each chapter ('restart paragraph numbering').
>
>Harro de Jong

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Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Diane Gaskill]

Thanks Dov.  I'll bring this up at our next staff meeting.

One thing I forgot to mention.  Even though our new docs are in FM
(finally!), we still have a lot of active docs in Word.  It's the PDFs from
Word that are giving us the problems.  We are using PDFMaker 7.0 from Word.
It's basically a Save As function.  Are there any known bugs with this
method?

(I can hear the comments out there now - "Well, what do you expect from
Word?"  :-)

Diane
==

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:21 PM
To: Diane Gaskill; Framers (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?


Without seeing one of these PDF files that cause "problems" it
would be very difficult to know what is really going on. For what
it is worth, some of the current "clone" PDF readers (including the
Mac previewer) have problems with perfectly valid PDF files from
Acrobat (or exported from InDesign and Illustrator). So ...
I suspect you are doing about the best you can by urging users
to newer versions of Reader. Note that if I was saving PDF files
for the general public and I didn't have need for features such
as JPEG 2000 compression and some of more sophisticated internal
compression of objects in PDF 1.5 (Acrobat 6), I would save to
Acrobat 5 compatibility.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:dgcaller at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:21 PM
>
> Dov,
>
> Amazing.  You described the exact problem we are concerned about at my
> company (and why I left Acrobat 5 on my system).  We are using Acrobat
7 but
> set the compatibility to Acrobat 6 in case some of our users are using
an
> older version.  But even so, we are getting some complaints from the
field
> that they can't open the PDF files.  After much discussion about
setting the
> compatibility back to Acrobrat 4, we decided instead to put a note on
the
> web page telling them to upgrade their copy of Reader if they are
having
> trouble opening the files.  We included the link to the Adobe download
page
> to encourage them to do it.  This is much better than conpromising the
> quality of the manuals because a few people have not updated their
systems.
>
> The puzzling part of the problem was that I was able to open the files
on a
> system that has only Acrobat 5 installed.  I got a warning message
saying
> that some features might not be displayed correctly but the file did
open.
> The support guys at my company could not open the files at all.  If
you have
> any ideas on what the problem might be, I'd appreciate it.  Is there a
> difference between how Acrobat looks at a PDF file (for reading) than
Reader
> does?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Diane  (cleaning system now)

For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:55 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote:
>LOL. Thanks, Steve :) I'll not restart the tool wars by rising to the
>bait on that one.

Wise man, wise man ;-)

-- 
Steve

Need 8 Install Help

[Dov Isaacs]

Did you fully uninstall the beta test copy FIRST before trying
to install the "trial" version? If not, you are probably hosed
until you get a license.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Randall Larson-Maynard
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Need 8 Install Help
> 
> I was a beta 8 tester.
> 
> Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed.
All went
> fine.
> 
> Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not
gotten a code
> yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box
that says
> "Product license has expired."
> 
> Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all
temp files.
> I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.
> 
> I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting
a code,
> which I do not have.
> 
> Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with
Frame two
> hours ago!
> 
> --
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> UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
> RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
> 530.752.6141
> Fax 530.752.0329
> Google Talk, AIM, & Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
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> 

For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[Fred Ridder]

"Compelling reasons" are subjective and depend on your workflow
and what FrameMaker features that workflow depends on.

Boolean logic for show/hide rules and improved display of overlapping
conditions may be very compelling features for some users, but
are insignificantif you don't use conditions.

Support for Unicode characters may be compelling for a significant
number of users, but insignificant for many others.

Need 8 Install Help

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Same problem with me, also reported to the Team. No resolution yet. :-(
Cost me two days of reworking into FM 7.2.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

On 8/1/07, Randall Larson-Maynard  wrote:
> I was a beta 8 tester.
>
> Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed. All 
> went
> fine.
>
> Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not gotten a 
> code
> yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box that says
> "Product license has expired."
>
> Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all temp 
> files.
> I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.
>
> I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting a code,
> which I do not have.
>
> Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with Frame 
> two
> hours ago!
>
> --
> Randall Larson-Maynard
> Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
> UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
> RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
> 530.752.6141
> Fax 530.752.0329
> Google Talk, AIM, & Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
> Registrar Editor SmartSite: https://sakai2.ucdavis.edu:8443/portal
> 
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Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

That does not violate the rules assuming that the "Acrobat 7.0
Distiller" installed on your system is what is installed by
FrameMaker, is not just part of a full Acrobat 7 install, and
you have no other full Acrobat versions installed!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Trevor Nicholls [mailto:trevor at castingthevoid.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:40 AM
> 
> If this truly is the case, I do wish that Adobe Reader had not taken
it upon
> itself to offer me a "recommended upgrade" to Adobe Reader 8 when I
already
> had Framemaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7.0 Distiller installed on my system.
You'd
> think it would have shown a bit more prudence, wouldn't you?
> 
> I haven't had any problems - yet.
> 
> Cheers
> T
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 9:02 a.m.
> To: Diane Gaskill; Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
> 
> Although (very unfortunately), it is PHYSICALLY possible to
> have multiple versions of Adobe Acrobat concurrently installed,
> concurrent versions of Adobe Reader concurrently installed, or
> some combination of versions of both Acrobat and Reader installed,
> the truth is that the architecture of these programs and the
> underlying operating system services used by same really only
> fully supports installation of only one version of EITHER Adobe
> Acrobat or Adobe Reader on one system at one time.
> 

How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

FYI -- For anyone upgrading to FM8 who want's to experiment with UNICODE and 
quickly find some UNICODE test text (sans text entry), if you go to 
Wikipedia.com and scroll down to the bottom of the screen (below the search 
entry field for English), you will find several UNICODE languages listed, with 
thousands of articles.


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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+mhoffmann=translate.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+mhoffmann=translate@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:09 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: How to Type Unicode Character in FM8?
[SNIP]

But I can't figure out how to type a Unicode character! In Word, you type the 
hexadecimal character, then hit Alt-X. Frame's PDF user guide appears only to 
offer instructions for setting your computer and keyboard to use different 
languages _before_ you start Frame. Huh? I don't want to start typing in a 
foreign language. I just want to enter the occasional Unicode character or 
symbol. Can someone tell me how?

Or does this mean the only feature that would cause me to upgrade is worthless?

Mike Wickham 

Need 8 Install Help

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Thanks for the notion here, Dov.

I _think_ I did. Had to, really, because of rather narrow space on my
HDs. But I did not uninstall until after downloading and maybe also
unzipping the Trial version. There were no explanations in the Beta
testers site that I recall telling about the proper procedure. Would
that be enough a reason?

You can say that Beta testers are paying extra here in a way. ;-)


I would buy the thing off the Adobe website if they only let me -- in
a fair trade. I don't like being laughing stock of Adobe Finance
Specialists (or whatever they are) who have set up their feudal system
so that we, Europeans have to pay much more for the same software than
Americans. Why? There is no special Icelandic version. It seems we,
Icelanders, are supposed to buy off the Danish website where
everything is in Danish and everything is expensive!

Someone should file a complaint to the Human Rights Board.


There _will_ come a day when I will buy this at the right price! ;-)

Puff!

Bodvar

On 8/7/07, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> Did you fully uninstall the beta test copy FIRST before trying
> to install the "trial" version? If not, you are probably hosed
> until you get a license.
>
> - Dov
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Randall Larson-Maynard
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:03 PM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Need 8 Install Help
> >
> > I was a beta 8 tester.
> >
> > Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed.
> All went
> > fine.
> >
> > Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not
> gotten a code
> > yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box
> that says
> > "Product license has expired."
> >
> > Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all
> temp files.
> > I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.
> >
> > I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting
> a code,
> > which I do not have.
> >
> > Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with
> Frame two
> > hours ago!
> >
> > --
> > Randall Larson-Maynard
> > Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
> > UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
> > RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
> > 530.752.6141
> > Fax 530.752.0329
> > Google Talk, AIM, & Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
> > Registrar Editor SmartSite: https://sakai2.ucdavis.edu:8443/portal
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Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS 10/Parallels

[Pat Christenson]

I've been running Frame 7.2 under Parallels on a MacBook Pro for  
about 6 months. I've only encountered a few gotchas. You have to get  
used to using "Mac" keys for "Windows" shortcuts (and you can avoid a  
lot of that if you use the Esc shortcuts which work just about  
anywhere). There's a kind of funky thing with dropdown menus. I have  
to click the menu twice - once to "select" it and once to display the  
choices.

I use several plugins and have had no problems.

I love Parallels.

NOTE: I haven't upgraded to Parallels 3 yet.

Pat Christenson

On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Thomas Pfaeffle wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm considering dumping the PC for a Macbook Pro. Does anyone have  
> experience with running structured Frame 7.2/8 on the Macbook Pro  
> with the Parallels emulator?  Are there any gotcha's? Any  
> performance hits? Any experience you can share would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS 10/Parallels

[Pat Christenson]

One more thing: I'm running UNSTRUCTURED Frame.

Pat

On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Pat Christenson wrote:

> I've been running Frame 7.2 under Parallels on a MacBook Pro for  
> about 6 months. I've only encountered a few gotchas. You have to  
> get used to using "Mac" keys for "Windows" shortcuts (and you can  
> avoid a lot of that if you use the Esc shortcuts which work just  
> about anywhere). There's a kind of funky thing with dropdown menus.  
> I have to click the menu twice - once to "select" it and once to  
> display the choices.
>
> I use several plugins and have had no problems.
>
> I love Parallels.
>
> NOTE: I haven't upgraded to Parallels 3 yet.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
> On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Thomas Pfaeffle wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I'm considering dumping the PC for a Macbook Pro. Does anyone have  
>> experience with running structured Frame 7.2/8 on the Macbook Pro  
>> with the Parallels emulator?  Are there any gotcha's? Any  
>> performance hits? Any experience you can share would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
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Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?

[Dov Isaacs]

PDFMaker as part of Acrobat 7 is not particularly problematic.
On the other hand, depending on the joboptions chosen, you certainly
can produce PDF files that can't be properly handled by older versions
of Acrobat and Reader.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill [mailto:dgcaller at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:37 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Multiple versions of Acrobat on same system?
> 
> Thanks Dov.  I'll bring this up at our next staff meeting.
> 
> One thing I forgot to mention.  Even though our new docs are in FM
> (finally!), we still have a lot of active docs in Word.  It's the PDFs
from
> Word that are giving us the problems.  We are using PDFMaker 7.0 from
Word.
> It's basically a Save As function.  Are there any known bugs with this
> method?
> 
> (I can hear the comments out there now - "Well, what do you expect
from
> Word?"  :-)
> 
> Diane
> ==

Recall: FM to RH Import Settings?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:45:30 -0400 , Randy.Handel at sage.com wrote:

>I am still desperately looking for a solution for images 
>in FrameMaker .mif files importing correctly into RoboHelp.

*If* you can't find one, you might want to consider using
Mif2Go instead of RH.  You can definitely use your original
graphics, as long as you have not added callouts or other
Frame vector objects, or placed more than one image in the
same anchored frame.  In those cases, we *do* generate a
replacement graphic, which causes loss of resolution, but 
at least you can choose the format used.  You can try our 
free unlimited demo and see if it works for you:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm

If it does, at $295 we're way less expensive than RH
or ePP...  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

FW: border around a word?

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Hi Gunnar,

I sent this to you yesterday and forgot to "cc" the list. Here is summary of 
most common method for an inline anchored frame.

_
Maxwell Hoffmann

-Original Message-
From: Maxwell Hoffmann 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:54 AM
To: 'Gunnar Carlsson'
Subject: RE: border around a word?

Gunnar,

FrameMaker has no real equivalent for putting "real" borders or highlighter 
around words or paragraphs. If you want to box a paragraph, put it in a single 
cell table. The techique below (while crude) will put a box around two words on 
the character level and allow them to paginate during editing. You are 
essentially creating a small anchored frame:

== insert cursor where you desire to "box" the words == select and COPY the two 
words == use drawing tools to create a "textline" ([A] icon) in margin of the 
page

== select the text line as an object (control click) and CUT it to clipboard == 
use delete key to get rid of the original in-line two words to be boxed == 
insert cursor where beginning of two words was and PASTE
   (a below insertion point anchored frame is created with the two words in it) 
== with anchored frame selected, use following keys (one at a time):
   ESC  m  p
   this will "shrinkwrap" the graphic text and make the anchored frame slightly
   larger than the two words
== select the anchored frame and use drawing tools to turn make the 
   border of anchored frame black
== with anchored frame still selected, zoom to 200% and press ALT cursor down
   until the baseline of the "boxed" text aligns with text before and after == 
you now have "boxed" text that will move with text as you add or delete 
   content in that paragraph

... Obviously if you need to repeat the same boxed words, you can simply 
copy/paste the anchored frame. You can also select the anchored frame and 
applied a solid fill pattern, then whatever color or tint you want to achieve 
what looks like highlighter background.

There are other techniques as well, but this one works pretty well for me in 
training materials if I want to avoid using graphics or screen captures for 
buttons and such. I hope this helps you.


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>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+mhoffmann=translate.com at lists.frameusers.com 
>[mailto:framers-bounces+mhoffmann=translate.com at lists.frameusers.com] 
>On Behalf Of Gunnar Carlsson
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:29 AM
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: border around a word?
>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know if there is an easy way to put a border around
>1-2 words in a sentence,  for example to mark a button. Example: 
>"Please press  ABORT  to leave this funcion." Here I would like to have 
>a thin border around  ABORT.  It is very simple to do in Word, but I 
>have not found anything like that in FrameMaker.
>
>Any idea?
>
>Gunnar Carlsson

Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS 10/Parallels

[Robert Stoker]

I run structured Frame 7.2 on a Macbook Pro through Parallels (with 
Windows XP on the Boot Camp partition) on my "in-the-field" machine. 
The configuration seems pretty solid. Working on the local hard drive, 
FrameMaker performance is acceptable although quite a bit slower than 
Frame 7.0 running on my G5 Mac desktop configuration. If you are 
accustomed to working on an older Windows machine, you will likely see 
an increase in performance.

Watch out if you work on a cross-platform server. The Frame/Parallels 
configuration is significantly slower when your work resides on a Mac 
server (for additional information, see 
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2007-June/008046.html). 
You probably won't notice much of a difference if you work on a Windows 
server or if you work locally.

Regards,
Robert Stoker
Seatech Publications, Inc.
Content Development,
FrameMaker Plug-ins, and
Product Information Management Systems
www.seatechpubs.com


On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Thomas Pfaeffle wrote:

 > Folks,
 >
 > I'm considering dumping the PC for a Macbook Pro. Does anyone have
 > experience with running structured Frame 7.2/8 on the Macbook Pro
 > with the Parallels emulator?  Are there any gotcha's? Any
 > performance hits? Any experience you can share would be appreciated.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Tom
 >
 > --

Running Structured Frame 7.2/8 on Macbook Pro under OS 10/Parallels

[Whites]

That might not be just a Parallels thingy.   For the longest time I  
have had to click twice in FM 7.x on XP in dropdown lists in  
dialogs.  Once to populate the dropdown, the second time to generate  
a scroll bar.  Am I alone?  A minor aggro - but still.

will white

On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Pat Christenson wrote:

> I've been running Frame 7.2 under Parallels on a MacBook Pro for  
> about 6 months. I've only encountered a few gotchas. You have to  
> get used to using "Mac" keys for "Windows" shortcuts (and you can  
> avoid a lot of that if you use the Esc shortcuts which work just  
> about anywhere). There's a kind of funky thing with dropdown menus.  
> I have to click the menu twice - once to "select" it and once to  
> display the choices.

++
There is something fascinating about science.
One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture
out of such a trifling investment of fact. - Twain
++

Framers Template repository? Was: Re: Foxy stuff on master pages

[Valerie Lipow]

If anyone has one or more templates demonstrating the type of Master
pages/Reference pages discussed in the parent subject, if they're not
copyrighted, and if you're authorized and willing to disseminate them to the
group, would you please store a copy in the Framers' file archive? I would
love to study how they're designed, and I suspect others would like to study
them as well.

Val

-- 
Valerie Lipow
vallipow at gmail.com

On 8/7/07, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
>
> Hi Framers
>
> In off-group discussions with Angela and others, it's become only too
> clear that it's possible to create clever stuff on master pages that is
> obvious to its designer but to no-one else ;-) For example, the auto
> thumbtabs stuff which came up recently on the group, or anything that
> involves a template with complex frames on master pages. Because this often
> involves overlaying transparent objects, it can create a maintenance
> headache for whoever comes afterwards, as recently witnessed by someone on
> the group who had to get an expert to fox out how their template was working
> [that was a thumbtabs thing]. It's real important therefore to document how
> the template works, if only in a few lines.
>
> In the case I'm discussing with Angela, switchable page backgrounds, when
> the technique is working there are multiple conditionalised anchored frames
> on a master page, all the same size, all overlaying each other, and with
> their boundaries and anchors nudged outside the displayed area to create the
> required crop margins. That sort of thing would be enough to fox anyone.
>
> A way to ensure that the description travels around with the template is
> to add one or more extra reference pages called 'Notes' or somesuch, and put
> a brief potted description of how the template - or it's more foxy features
> - operates there. That way the 'docs' can only be lost if someone
> deliberately deletes the relevant reference page(s).
>
> When massing with multiple frames on master pages, it's a lot easier to
> see what's going on if you give the various frames a temporary - and
> different - fill pattern and/or colored border. When you've finished
> dickering with them, you can use the Find > anchored frame feature to select
> them one by one and remove the decorations. I use this when building frames
> for moving thumbtabs to get the stacking order for the various frames
> correct.
>
> Hope this helps someone.
>
> --
> Steve
> ___
>

For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans

[B Hechter]

Think I'll wait and see before upgrading. Tabs are cool, but Unicode seems
more of a localization benefit.

While I appreciate XML/DITA enhancements for structured users, I would not
be so generous as to pay for an "enhancement" like feature stability
(personally, I have no stability complaints). IMHO, if a feature doesn't
work, it should be fixed for free.


Ben Hechter
objectives.ca
Technical Performance Support Solutions
Vancouver BC
e: bhechter at objectives.ca
w: www.semitake.com

Need 8 Install Help

[Randall Larson-Maynard]

Mike

Yes, I tried that. 

I finally got a tech guy. And basically he won't tell me what registry key to
delete. Heaven forbid he should help a customer under since I might post the
information on how to get past the reg key issue. Not!

Not my best Adobe experience in the last ten years of being a Frame user.


--
Randall Larson-Maynard
Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
Google Talk, AIM, & Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
--


-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:mewick...@compuserve.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:57 AM
To: Randall Larson-Maynard
Subject: Re: Need 8 Install Help

Did you uninstall the beta first? I'm pretty sure that's a typical problem when
installing a different version on top of a beta with Adobe products. It doesn't
get rid of whatever keys track the beta expiration.

Mike

- Original Message -
From: "Randall Larson-Maynard" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:02 PM
Subject: Need 8 Install Help


>
> I was a beta 8 tester.
>
> Beta 8 expired yesterday. I downloaded the trial 8 copy and installed. All 
> went
> fine.
>
> Started program, get splash screen for trial and since I have not gotten a 
> code
> yet, I click Continue Trial and then Next. I get a small dialog box that 
> says
> "Product license has expired."
>
> Greatso I call India for support and they tell me to delete all temp 
> files.
> I do that, plus all the chk files. Still won't open past dialog box.
>
> I tried setting my PC's clock, but then I get the same screen wanting a 
> code,
> which I do not have.
>
> Anyone out there know the fix for this? Of course, I need to work with 
> Frame two
> hours ago!
>
> --
> Randall Larson-Maynard
> Senior Editor/Curriculum Coordinator
> UC Davis, Office of the University Registrar
> RLLarsonMaynard(at)UCDavis.edu
> 530.752.6141
> Fax 530.752.0329
> Google Talk, AIM, & Yahoo! IM: rlarsonmaynard
> Registrar Editor SmartSite: https://sakai2.ucdavis.edu:8443/portal
> 
> --
>
>
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>
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