Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild

2008-04-11 Thread John Pitt
Thanks Stuart,

Sorry for the delay, but it turned out to be a bit of a trial. There was 
no FILE: port, but even after creating one, it still didn't work.

Dov will be miffed, but I ended up succumbing to Uninstall-itus -- which 
did work, after eons of uninstall, install, register, re-activate -- and 
final success.

Thanks again.

jjj

Stuart Rogers wrote:

 
 Make sure the printer port FILE: still exists.  If not, add it.
 
 Start  Settings  Printers  Faxes
 Adobe PDF properties
 Ports tab
 Note the port currently selected.
 Find FILE: in the list?
 If no, Add Port, Local Port, named FILE: (with the colon).
 Reselect the previously selected port.
 
 HTH,
 

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RE: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild

2008-04-11 Thread Kelly McDaniel
I experienced a similar situation w/A8. Many uninstalls later, my
reinstall took. The only clue I have regarding what fixed what is that
somewhere along the line I ran a registry clean-up utility to discard
pointless keys. Subsequently, but not necessarily related, my reinstall
finally worked...Kelly.

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 To: Stuart Rogers
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
 
 Thanks Stuart,
 
 Sorry for the delay, but it turned out to be a bit of a trial. There
was
 no FILE: port, but even after creating one, it still didn't work.
 
 Dov will be miffed, but I ended up succumbing to Uninstall-itus --
which
 did work, after eons of uninstall, install, register, re-activate --
and
 final success.
 
 Thanks again.
 
 jjj
 
 Stuart Rogers wrote:
 
 
  Make sure the printer port FILE: still exists.  If not, add it.
 
  Start  Settings  Printers  Faxes
  Adobe PDF properties
  Ports tab
  Note the port currently selected.
  Find FILE: in the list?
  If no, Add Port, Local Port, named FILE: (with the colon).
  Reselect the previously selected port.
 
  HTH,
 
 
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question regarding Adobe FrameMaker license

2008-04-11 Thread Huntley Eshenroder
All,

Have a question regarding the software license for FrameMaker. We have
a new hire who is offshore. We need a FrameMaker license for this
person. The rest our group is running 7.2 and the new hire would be
running 8.0. Because this person is not an experienced Frame user, we
would prefer to purchase Frame 8, transfer the the license to someone
in the US and give the new hire 7.2. This will help us troubleshoot
any problems, etc because we have our current setup well documented.

In the past, it seemed that we could not transfer licenses
internationally. Is this still true?

Thanks,
-Huntley
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RE: question regarding Adobe FrameMaker license

2008-04-11 Thread Kelly McDaniel
See:
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_15281slice
Id=1

However, it is my understanding that, if corporate funds pay for the
license, the license is owned by the corporation. If the offshore user
is an employee of the corporation, this is not a transfer, per se. Check
with Adobe.

I believe that you can delete all copies of 7.2, ship it to your
offshore employee, then purchase a copy of 8 for use in the US.

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 a new hire who is offshore. We need a FrameMaker license for this
 person. The rest our group is running 7.2 and the new hire would be
 running 8.0. Because this person is not an experienced Frame user, we
 would prefer to purchase Frame 8, transfer the the license to someone
 in the US and give the new hire 7.2. This will help us troubleshoot
 any problems, etc because we have our current setup well documented.
 
 In the past, it seemed that we could not transfer licenses
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 Thanks,
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RE: Framers Digest, Vol 30, Issue 11

2008-04-11 Thread Brabson, Michelle
Rick,

Thanks for the discount. I forwarded your message to my manager. He was having 
some trouble getting the information he needed to make a decision so I am not 
sure how quick the response is going to be. I will keep you posted.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Closing big book files (Shmuel Wolfson)
   2. OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild (John Pitt)
   3. Re: Closing big book files (Jim Owens)
   4. Re: Closing big book files (Rene Stephenson)
   5. RE: Taking  screen shot with the cursor (Ed Lightle)
   6. Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
  (Stuart Rogers)
   7. tables (Mollye Barrett)
   8. Re: tables (Rick Quatro)
   9. Re: tables (Art Campbell)
  10. ANN:  Survey about Leaders in Technical Communication
  (jobs @ ProSpring)
  11. FrameMaker and Canto Cumulus or Extensis PortFolio
  (Wim Hooghwinkel - iDTP)
  12. RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN (Lief Erickson)
  13. RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN (Lief Erickson)
  14. finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality (Jim Owens)
  15. Menu name (Flato, Gillian)
  16. Re: Menu name (Stuart Rogers)
  17. Re: Menu name (Rene Stephenson)
  18. Re: finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality
  (Jeremy H. Griffith)
  19. RE: Menu name (Combs, Richard)
  20. Re: Menu name (Alan Litchfield)
  21. Re: Menu name (rebecca officer)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:32:40 +0300
From: Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Closing big book files
To: Harold Winberg [EMAIL PROTECTED],Framers
framers@lists.frameusers.com
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First do a shift/save all, then a shift/close all.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


Harold Winberg wrote:
 Hello Framers



 I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters.



 I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates.



 Is there a quick way to save and close the files?



 I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me
 confirm OK save the file.



 It takes over a half hour.



 Any other way??



 Thanks



 Les Winberg

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:39:31 +1000
From: John Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
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After my motherboard went feral, I had to rebuild with a new
motherboard, cpu, video card, etc. XP Pro had to be coerced into working
again, but it was OK.

But my Acrobat Pro 8 installation now refuses to make PDFs using either
FM 8 or 7.1 with either Save As or print to PostScript. After a short
time, Frame stops responding, the top menu bar disappears, and it has to
be killed.

I've Repaired, Uninstalled  Repaired, Deactivated and Activated, and
muttered various incantations. Nothing seems to work.

Strangely, both Word and Excel do produce PDFs.

Any clues?

jjj
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:12:40 -0400
From: Jim Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Closing big book files
To: Harold Winberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
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If you're using a version of Frame with an Undo feature, and you're
seeing an OK to clear history? dialog for every file you save, try
clearing this check box:

File  Preferences  General  Show warnings while clearing history

Harold Winberg wrote:
 Hello Framers



 I am working in a Book file with over 400 

Closing big books revisited

2008-04-11 Thread Harold Winberg
Hello again

 

Thanks for all the input. All of you were correct but first I had to do
the following: See below original message

 

Original question April 9, 2008

 

Hello Framers
  
 I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters.
  
 I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates.
 
  Is there a quick way to save and close the files?
  
 I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me
 confirm OK save the file. 
 
  It takes over a half hour.
  
 Any other way??
  
 Thanks
  
 Les Winberg

 

All of you were correct but first I had to do the following: Thanks Dave

 

To Enable or Disable the Show Warnings While Clearing History feature: 

 

1. Choose File  Preferences  General. 

 

2. Check (to enable) or Uncheck (to disable) the Show Warnings While
Clearing History checkbox. 

 

3. Click Set. 

 

You can also enable or disable the following options: 

 

-- Once For Every History Clearing Command: Displays the warning
discussed in the FrameMaker 7.2 supplement once for ever scenario and
then will not display it again. 

 

-- Always: Displays the warning dialogue for every scenario that clears
the history every time that scenario happens. 

 

Once you set either of these options, a pop-up window displays the
message Cannot be undone. Undo history will be lost. OK to continue?. 

 

Good *Lck

 

Dave Odell

 

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Menu name

2008-04-11 Thread Alan Litchfield
I too do not recall seeing these referred to as menus, but they often  
turn up as states of a hierarchical information tree that gives access  
to various program functions. The two states being expanded (-) or  
collapsed (+).

If I were to call it anything I guess it would be a tree and use terms  
like "click [x] to expand", "click [x] to collapse", "click on [x],  
then...", etc. Usually the trees I have seen are within a zone on the  
interface and so I tend to refer to the zone's name, so "in [zone y],  
click on [x]", ...".

Cheers
Alan

On 11/04/2008, at 8:09 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
> Flato, Gillian wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you
>> click on the plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the
>> minus sign and the menu displays below?
>
> An abomination? ;-)
>
> I've commonly seen the plus/minus boxes as nodes in a directory or  
> tree
> structure, but I don't think I've ever seen a _menu_ that used them.  
> And
> I'd rather not.
>
> But maybe I'm thinking of the term "menu" too narrowly -- to me,  
> it's a
> set of commands listed under one of several top-level names (like File
> or Edit), or displayed in response to a right mouse click (context
> menu).
>
> If you're using the term more broadly to refer to a list of values,
> options, etc., I'd call it a list. If my audience were computer  
> novices,
> I'd call it a "drop-down list" and explain how to display it. But only
> for real novices.
>
> In general, I don't name interface elements, just their labels. If
> necessary for clarity, I'll refer to the X list, Y box, or Z button.  
> But
> I generally don't use terms like combo list, drop-down list, multi- 
> edit
> box, tree node, etc. Readers usually don't care what interface  
> designers
> call some widget as long as they can find it and understand what to do
> with it.
>
> Pretty much everyone who isn't completely new to computers knows how
> menus, lists, trees, buttons, check boxes, and radio buttons work.
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
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Menu name

2008-04-11 Thread rebecca officer
We've called them a "tree menu" in the past. That gets 944000 hits on google. 
Seems to be a javascript term.

"Expanding menu" is also a javascript term but looks like it's not for those 
+/- menus.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Flato, Gillian"  11/04/08 06:24 >>>
Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you click on the
plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the minus sign and the menu
displays below?



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OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild

2008-04-11 Thread John Pitt
Thanks Stuart,

Sorry for the delay, but it turned out to be a bit of a trial. There was 
no FILE: port, but even after creating one, it still didn't work.

Dov will be miffed, but I ended up succumbing to Uninstall-itus -- which 
did work, after eons of uninstall, install, register, re-activate -- and 
final success.

Thanks again.

jjj

Stuart Rogers wrote:

> 
> Make sure the printer port "FILE:" still exists.  If not, add it.
> 
> Start > Settings > Printers & Faxes
> Adobe PDF properties
> Ports tab
> Note the port currently selected.
> Find FILE: in the list?
> If no, Add Port, Local Port, named FILE: (with the colon).
> Reselect the previously selected port.
> 
> HTH,
> 

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OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild

2008-04-11 Thread Kelly McDaniel
I experienced a similar situation w/A8. Many uninstalls later, my
reinstall "took." The only clue I have regarding what fixed what is that
somewhere along the line I ran a registry clean-up utility to discard
pointless keys. Subsequently, but not necessarily related, my reinstall
finally worked...Kelly.

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Pitt
> Sent: 2008-04-11 07:24
> To: Stuart Rogers
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
> 
> Thanks Stuart,
> 
> Sorry for the delay, but it turned out to be a bit of a trial. There
was
> no FILE: port, but even after creating one, it still didn't work.
> 
> Dov will be miffed, but I ended up succumbing to Uninstall-itus --
which
> did work, after eons of uninstall, install, register, re-activate --
and
> final success.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> jjj
> 
> Stuart Rogers wrote:
> 
> >
> > Make sure the printer port "FILE:" still exists.  If not, add it.
> >
> > Start > Settings > Printers & Faxes
> > Adobe PDF properties
> > Ports tab
> > Note the port currently selected.
> > Find FILE: in the list?
> > If no, Add Port, Local Port, named FILE: (with the colon).
> > Reselect the previously selected port.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> 
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question regarding Adobe FrameMaker license

2008-04-11 Thread Huntley Eshenroder
All,

Have a question regarding the software license for FrameMaker. We have
a new hire who is offshore. We need a FrameMaker license for this
person. The rest our group is running 7.2 and the new hire would be
running 8.0. Because this person is not an experienced Frame user, we
would prefer to purchase Frame 8, transfer the the license to someone
in the US and give the new hire 7.2. This will help us troubleshoot
any problems, etc because we have our current setup well documented.

In the past, it seemed that we could not transfer licenses
internationally. Is this still true?

Thanks,
-Huntley


question regarding Adobe FrameMaker license

2008-04-11 Thread Kelly McDaniel
See:
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_15281
Id=1

However, it is my understanding that, if corporate funds pay for the
license, the license is owned by the corporation. If the offshore user
is an employee of the corporation, this is not a transfer, per se. Check
with Adobe.

I believe that you can delete all copies of 7.2, ship it to your
offshore employee, then purchase a copy of 8 for use in the US.

> -Original Message-
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> Eshenroder
> Sent: 2008-04-11 08:49
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: question regarding Adobe FrameMaker license
> 
> All,
> 
> Have a question regarding the software license for FrameMaker. We have
> a new hire who is offshore. We need a FrameMaker license for this
> person. The rest our group is running 7.2 and the new hire would be
> running 8.0. Because this person is not an experienced Frame user, we
> would prefer to purchase Frame 8, transfer the the license to someone
> in the US and give the new hire 7.2. This will help us troubleshoot
> any problems, etc because we have our current setup well documented.
> 
> In the past, it seemed that we could not transfer licenses
> internationally. Is this still true?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Huntley
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Framers Digest, Vol 30, Issue 11

2008-04-11 Thread Brabson, Michelle
Rick,

Thanks for the discount. I forwarded your message to my manager. He was having 
some trouble getting the information he needed to make a decision so I am not 
sure how quick the response is going to be. I will keep you posted.

Michelle

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Closing big book files (Shmuel Wolfson)
   2. OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild (John Pitt)
   3. Re: Closing big book files (Jim Owens)
   4. Re: Closing big book files (Rene Stephenson)
   5. RE: Taking  screen shot with the cursor (Ed Lightle)
   6. Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
  (Stuart Rogers)
   7. tables (Mollye Barrett)
   8. Re: tables (Rick Quatro)
   9. Re: tables (Art Campbell)
  10. ANN:  Survey about Leaders in Technical Communication
  (jobs @ ProSpring)
  11. FrameMaker and Canto Cumulus or Extensis PortFolio
  (Wim Hooghwinkel - iDTP)
  12. RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN (Lief Erickson)
  13. RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN (Lief Erickson)
  14. finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality (Jim Owens)
  15. Menu name (Flato, Gillian)
  16. Re: Menu name (Stuart Rogers)
  17. Re: Menu name (Rene Stephenson)
  18. Re: finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality
  (Jeremy H. Griffith)
  19. RE: Menu name (Combs, Richard)
  20. Re: Menu name (Alan Litchfield)
  21. Re: Menu name (rebecca officer)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:32:40 +0300
From: Shmuel Wolfson 
Subject: Re: Closing big book files
To: Harold Winberg ,Framers

Message-ID: <47FDD0A8.6000500 at actcom.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

First do a shift/save all, then a shift/close all.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


Harold Winberg wrote:
> Hello Framers
>
>
>
> I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters.
>
>
>
> I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates.
>
>
>
> Is there a quick way to save and close the files?
>
>
>
> I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me
> confirm OK save the file.
>
>
>
> It takes over a half hour.
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:39:31 +1000
From: John Pitt 
Subject: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <47FDEE63.20001 at pitt.net.au>
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After my motherboard went feral, I had to rebuild with a new
motherboard, cpu, video card, etc. XP Pro had to be coerced into working
again, but it was OK.

But my Acrobat Pro 8 installation now refuses to make PDFs using either
FM 8 or 7.1 with either Save As or print to PostScript. After a short
time, Frame stops responding, the top menu bar disappears, and it has to
be killed.

I've Repaired, Uninstalled > Repaired, Deactivated and Activated, and
muttered various incantations. Nothing seems to work.

Strangely, both Word and Excel do produce PDFs.

Any clues?

jjj
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:12:40 -0400
From: Jim Owens 
Subject: Re: Closing big book files
To: Harold Winberg 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <47FE0438.1010203 at magma.ca>
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If you're using a version of Frame with an Undo feature, and you're
seeing an "OK to clear history?" dialog 

Closing big books revisited

2008-04-11 Thread Harold Winberg
Hello again



Thanks for all the input. All of you were correct but first I had to do
the following: See below original message



Original question April 9, 2008



Hello Framers
> > 
> I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters.
> > 
> I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates.
> 
> > Is there a quick way to save and close the files?
> > 
> I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me
> confirm OK save the file. 
> 
> > It takes over a half hour.
> > 
> Any other way??
> > 
> Thanks
>  
> Les Winberg



All of you were correct but first I had to do the following: Thanks Dave



To Enable or Disable the Show Warnings While Clearing History feature: 



1. Choose File > Preferences > General. 



2. Check (to enable) or Uncheck (to disable) the Show Warnings While
Clearing History checkbox. 



3. Click Set. 



You can also enable or disable the following options: 



-- Once For Every History Clearing Command: Displays the warning
discussed in the FrameMaker 7.2 supplement once for ever scenario and
then will not display it again. 



-- Always: Displays the warning dialogue for every scenario that clears
the history every time that scenario happens. 



Once you set either of these options, a pop-up window displays the
message "Cannot be undone. Undo history will be lost. OK to continue?". 



Good *Lck



Dave Odell