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weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.

The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the
whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.

Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.  Neither
the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of
the document, as far as I can tell.  One paragraph tag has an asterisk
in front of it, but the other one doesn't.

Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable.  I
don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an
asterisk.

Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.

Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC,
would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?

Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error
messages, but the symbols all remained the same.

Thanks,

Deirdre
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Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Deirdre Reagan]

And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front of
them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front of
them.

I thought the bold T meant cross-reference?  I still don't know what
the outlined box means.

Thanks,

Deirdre


On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all:

 I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.

 The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the
 whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.

 Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.  Neither
 the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of
 the document, as far as I can tell.  One paragraph tag has an asterisk
 in front of it, but the other one doesn't.

 Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable.  I
 don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an
 asterisk.

 Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.

 Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC,
 would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?

 Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error
 messages, but the symbols all remained the same.

 Thanks,

 Deirdre

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RE: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Owen, Clint]

Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That can be
the source of strange characters.

As for the upside down T, that can be any one of several different
kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to that
paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing paragraph is
deleted. 

Try this: go to Special  Marker, then highlight the area of the
paragraph where the T is. The Marker Text box will tell you what kind
of marker it is.

Clint


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM
To: Framer's List
Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front of
them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front of
them.

I thought the bold T meant cross-reference?  I still don't know what the
outlined box means.

Thanks,

Deirdre


On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all:

 I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.

 The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the 
 whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.

 Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.  Neither 
 the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of 
 the document, as far as I can tell.  One paragraph tag has an asterisk

 in front of it, but the other one doesn't.

 Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable.  I

 don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an 
 asterisk.

 Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.

 Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC, 
 would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?

 Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error 
 messages, but the symbols all remained the same.

 Thanks,

 Deirdre

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Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks, Clint.

The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first
letter of the text.  I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the
text.

Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the
text.  I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm
learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that
causes the whole document to crash.

Deirdre


On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy
 or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to
 add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations you
 can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the
 containing paragraph.

 I am not sure what you mean by outline boxes. Are these showing up in
 your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If so,
 they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs with
 only space characters, or something like that.

 If you hold the CTRL and ALT keys and click on a cross-reference,
 you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you a
 clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo and
 want to go directly to the source to fix it.

 Clint




 Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace  Electronics |
 +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113


 -Original Message-
 From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM
 To: Owen, Clint
 Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

 I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the
 marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are
 cross-references.

 One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I renamed
 the chapter).

 The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I
 copied and renamed to create those chapters.

 Is this normal behavior and should I be worried?  Can I get rid of these
 markers?  They won't delete.  Do I want to get rid of them?  Do I want
 to keep them?

 Any advice would be much appreciated!

 Deirdre





 On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thank you Clint!
 
  On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That can
   be the source of strange characters.
  
   As for the upside down T, that can be any one of several different

   kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to that

   paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing paragraph
   is deleted.
  
   Try this: go to Special  Marker, then highlight the area of the
   paragraph where the T is. The Marker Text box will tell you what
   kind of marker it is.
  
   Clint
  
  
   Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace 
   Electronics |
   +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre
   Reagan
   Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM
   To: Framer's List
   Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
  
   And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front
   of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front
   of them.
  
   I thought the bold T meant cross-reference?  I still don't know what

   the outlined box means.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Deirdre
  
  
   On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all:
   
I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.
   
The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the

whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.
   
Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.
Neither the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in
the rest of the document, as far as I can tell.  One paragraph tag

has an asterisk
  
in front of it, but the other one doesn't.
   
Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the
variable.  I
  
don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an
asterisk.
   
Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.
   
Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC,

would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?
   
Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error
messages, but the symbols all remained the same.
   
Thanks,
   
Deirdre
   
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Sideheads that won't go away

[Rene Stephenson]

All,

I'm running FM7.2 on WinXP doing unstructured docs with text insets, using 
condition tags to control which insets show in this particular file, in a 
single-sourced, multiple-author environment. All the graphics are imported by 
reference, and all have callout applied within the anchored frame as a text 
frame (rather than a text line, because we used xrefs to hotlink the callout of 
the part to the table of part numbers). 

Somehow, one of the container FM files got some setting changed that made all 
the text frames in that one file have sideheads. Now, our templates for the 
container file do have sideheads on the master pages for the body text frames, 
but if that were the source of the problem, one would think that it would 
impact *all* the files, not just this one. I have been going through this file 
and selecting each individual text frame that's within an anchored frame and 
setting the Object Properties to disable Room for sideheads. But, then I 
noticed something odd...

Graphics (imported by ref) in the text inset files do NOT show the text frames 
within the anchored frames as having sideheads, but when I update now on the 
text inset, it puts room for sideheads on the graphics in the sideheads when I 
select to use the source formatting, but it shows NO room for sideheads when I 
use the container formatting...which completely puzzles me, since all the 
graphics in the container file are showing the undesired sideheads for the text 
frames in anchored frames.  So, this seems backwards/illogical to me.

Anyway, if someone can just tell me what the setting is at the doc properties 
or formatting level that switches sideheads on/off for all text frames in a FM 
file, I can just make sure it's set that way in both source and container docs 
and move on...

Thanks, 
Rene L. Stephenson
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condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Ben Hechter]

Dear FM Gurus,

Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific paragraph tags 
(eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically set an associated 
condition?

Ben
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Re: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Deirdre Reagan]

In Paragraph Designer  Default Font, set the color to Red and create a new tag.

That worked for me.

Deirdre

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 Dear FM Gurus,

 Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific paragraph tags 
 (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically set an associated 
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 Ben
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Re: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Ben Hechter]

OK, bad example. How about para_chocolate, para_strawberry, para_neapolitan?


On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Paragraph Designer  Default Font, set the color to Red and create a new tag.



That worked for me.



Deirdre



On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear FM Gurus,



 Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically
set an associated condition?



 Ben

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Re: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Deirdre Reagan]

Do you mean if chocolate, strawberry, or neapolitan were color
choices?  I know you can create your own color then add it to the
color palette and it shows up in the Paragraph Designer.

Deirdre

On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OK, bad example. How about para_chocolate, para_strawberry, para_neapolitan?


 On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In Paragraph Designer  Default Font, set the color to Red and create a new 
 tag.



 That worked for me.



 Deirdre



 On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Dear FM Gurus,

 

  Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
 paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically
 set an associated condition?

 

  Ben

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Re: Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29

[Tarlochan S. Nahal]

Try LaserBengali font from Linguist's Software. I have personally not used the 
Bengali font, but I have used their Gurmukhi (for tyesetting Punjabi) and some 
other fonts with diacritical marks. It works pretty well. The support fonts for 
over 365 languages for Mac and Windows.
 
Linguist's Software
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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:04:43 +0200
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Hi there,
Thought I should ask. Does anyone have a good way of typesetting Bengali
language. I tried FM8 (with its glorified unicode support) and I'm
thoroughly 
disappointed. It does import RTF files alright but messes them quite badly by
adding additional spaces and characters. Bengali is double byte and I guess
that's where the problem lies. InDesign messes the files just as bad by
swapping some characters and decomposing the double bytes into
single characters.
 
Any idea is welcome. That's been a misery to me in the last weeks.
 
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RE: Opening same-document links in a new window

[Jo Watkiss]

Shlomo, Art - thank you for your suggestions.

The problem is that I'm linking to destinations in the same file - so
unchecking Open cross-document links in same window doesn't work.
I've had a quick look at TimeSavers, and it seems the same applies (only
for cross-document links, not same-document links).

Thanks,
Jo

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To: Jo Watkiss
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Opening same-document links in a new window

Jo,

You wrote:

Each of our product manuals is published as a single PDF file.  Within 
them there are frequent cross-references to destinations in the same 
file.  We have received a request for these links to open in a new 
window.  We insert these links as normal cross-references in
FrameMaker.

Is it possible to achieve this without manually changing the links 
after the PDF file is generated?
I know the user can do this with right-click  open link in new window,

but it seems this is too difficult for them.

There is a local viewing preference in Acrobat or Reader that controls
whether a linked PDF opens in a new window.
In Acrobat 8: Edit  Preferences  Documents -- turn off Open
cross-document links in same window (it is turned on by default); in
previous Acrobat/Reader versions this preference is in the General
category.

Preferences apply to the Acrobat/Reader in the computer where the PDF is
viewed, but not to the PDF file itself.

[My FrameMaker-to-Acrobat add-on has a function that controls the new
window property globally or individually to FM
cross-references/hypertext links, so that no additional actions are
necessary after the PDF is created. This can also be optionally be
applied to PDFs displayed in a browser, so that web-based links will
display in a new browser window.
See http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF10.html for more information and
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Searching the archives

[Plueckhahn, Lutz]

Dear Framers,

It's been a long time since I've lurked into the Framers' list. Hence, I have 
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looking for frame 8/roobhelp 7 tech com suite guru

[Greg Thompson]

Hi All:
 
I have developed a FrameMaker manual and an RoboHelp 7 online help system for 
the same product using the Tech Com Suite. I need to retroactively turn the 
manual and the help into a single source version, which I did not do on initial 
development because of time considerations and lack of knowledge as to how to 
map the Frame styles to RoboHelp styles. I am looking for a consultant to help 
me. Any volunteers?
Greg Thompson
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Importing Ventura files

[Plueckhahn, Lutz]

Dear all,

Does anyone know how to import files created with Ventura? I have loads of 
manual files
here that come from various Ventura versions (pre and post Corel). I understand 
Framemaker
only imports files from versions 3 and 4? Were these before Corel?

Until now, I was only able to import one or two files which only contained 
graphics links but no
links to doc files. Whenever I try to import a Ventura chp file containing a 
link to a doc file, I get
an unspecified error and the import stops. 

Are there any tricks or tips around?

TIA!

Lutz
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RE: Sort order of entries in an index

[DeRosier, Edward]

Reply to:

Message: 20
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:34:38 -0600
From: Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

What do you mean by a complete index entry? It doesn't seem to have to
match
the complete second level portion of the index entry, so I'm not clear.

No matter what I do, space, no space before the [, these still won't
sort
right under the stud and rollers first level entries.

- - - -

Linda,

Perhaps we are not understanding the issue that you really want to
solve.

Can you provide some of the entries surrounding the areas in which you
are having a problem?
It seems to me that you are tyring to get these index entries into more
than one location.

As a guess, are you wanting something like the following?

70 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...
90 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...
100 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...

...

roller locations
   70 mm stud
   90 mm stud
   100 mm stud

...

studs
   70 mm roller locations
   90 mm roller locations
   100 mm roller locations
   aluminum
   copper
   steel


Ed DeRosier
Anritsu Technical Publications
 
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RE: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Lester C. Smalley]

You can add this to the wish list for future releases, but FrameMaker
does currently support automatically assigning a condition based on
paragraph (character, table) tags, although it is fairly simple to
automate this via an FDK client or FrameScript.

So I'm a bit confused by Deirdre's statement, unless it is simply being
able to mimic the display overrides of a condition.

On Wednesday, July 02, 2008 17:15, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
| In Paragraph Designer  Default Font, set the color to Red and create
| a new tag.
| 
| That worked for me.
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|  Dear FM Gurus,
| 
|  Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
|  paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow
|  magically set an associated condition?
| 
|  Ben

- Lester 
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Re: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Lester and all.

Ah yes, I misunderstood condition.  He wants to apply a condition tag
to a paragraph tag, is that right?

I can change the color in a paragraph tag, and I can change the color
in a condition tag, but to apply a condition tag to a paragraph tag,
that I don't know how to do.

Deirdre

On 7/2/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can add this to the wish list for future releases, but FrameMaker
 does currently support automatically assigning a condition based on
 paragraph (character, table) tags, although it is fairly simple to
 automate this via an FDK client or FrameScript.

 So I'm a bit confused by Deirdre's statement, unless it is simply being
 able to mimic the display overrides of a condition.

 On Wednesday, July 02, 2008 17:15, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 | In Paragraph Designer  Default Font, set the color to Red and create
 | a new tag.
 |
 | That worked for me.
 |
 | Deirdre
 |
 | On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 |  Dear FM Gurus,
 | 
 |  Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
 |  paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow
 |  magically set an associated condition?
 | 
 |  Ben

 - Lester
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Re: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Ben...

If you're trying to make it so when you tag a paragraph with a 
particular style, it also applies a named condition to that paragraph, 
you'd have to do that with an FDK plugin or FrameScript. It can be done, 
but not out of the box.

...scott

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Ben Hechter wrote:
 Dear FM Gurus,

 Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific paragraph tags 
 (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically set an associated 
 condition?

 Ben


   
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RE: Sideheads that won't go away

[Combs, Richard]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
 
 Somehow, one of the container FM files got some setting changed that
made
 all the text frames in that one file have sideheads. Now, our
templates for
 the container file do have sideheads on the master pages for the body
text
 frames, but if that were the source of the problem, one would think
that it
 would impact *all* the files, not just this one. I have been going
through
 this file and selecting each individual text frame that's within an
 anchored frame and setting the Object Properties to disable Room for
 sideheads. But, then I noticed something odd...
 
 Graphics (imported by ref) in the text inset files do NOT show the
text
 frames within the anchored frames as having sideheads, but when I
update
 now on the text inset, it puts room for sideheads on the graphics in
the
 sideheads when I select to use the source formatting, but it shows NO
room
 for sideheads when I use the container formatting...which completely
 puzzles me, since all the graphics in the container file are showing
the
 undesired sideheads for the text frames in anchored frames.  So, this
seems
 backwards/illogical to me.
 
 Anyway, if someone can just tell me what the setting is at the doc
 properties or formatting level that switches sideheads on/off for all
text
 frames in a FM file, I can just make sure it's set that way in both
source
 and container docs and move on...

I'm not even sure I understand the description of the text inset
behavior. :-} But maybe I can help with the side head setting issue. 

The Room for Side Heads check box is in the Customize Text Frame dialog
box, but it's not actually a text frame property. It's a _flow_
property; notice in the dialog, it's part of the Flow settings on the
lower right. 

Your main flow (body pages) is probably set to Flow Tag A. If you turn
on Room for Side Heads for any frame with a given flow tag, it's on for
_all_ frames with that flow tag (I'm not sure how FM behaves regarding
frames with no flow tag). 

So take a look at the flow tags for a few of the problematic text
frames. That might shed some light on what's happening. 

HTH!

Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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RE: Searching the archives

[Combs, Richard]

Plueckhahn, Lutz wrote: 
 
 It's been a long time since I've lurked into the Framers' list. Hence,
I
 have no idea
 how to search inside the list archives. Can anyone help?

In a Google search box, type searchstring site:frameusers.com (sans
quotes).

Richard


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RE: Importing Ventura files

[Combs, Richard]

Plueckhahn, Lutz wrote: 
 
 Does anyone know how to import files created with Ventura? I have
loads of
 manual files
 here that come from various Ventura versions (pre and post Corel). I
 understand Framemaker
 only imports files from versions 3 and 4? Were these before Corel?

Waaay before (and quite ancient). 

 Until now, I was only able to import one or two files which only
contained
 graphics links but no
 links to doc files. Whenever I try to import a Ventura chp file
containing
 a link to a doc file, I get
 an unspecified error and the import stops.

It's been years and years and years since I worked with Ventura, but
IIRC, the .chp file doesn't contain anything but metadata and links. The
text was entered (and edited) in a word processor or text editor. So you
don't import the .chp file, you import the Word (or whatever) file(s)
that the .chp references. 

At least, that's how I recall things working back when we had the
kerosene-fired computers. ;-)

Richard


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Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Deirdre Reagan]

Clint:

Nope, no tab or space in the autonumber box.

The boxes don't effect the printed output at all. As far as I've been
able to determine, they are markers that point to the file I used to
create these files.

The first file, the one with the T, I renamed to a new name.  The T
marker points to the original name of the document.

The other four files, one with a T and three with a box marker, all
point to the file I copied to create those four files.

I've been looking through my two reference books (Adobe's User Guide
and Adobe's Classroom in a Book) and the online help, but I haven't
been able to narrow it down further than they appear to be related to
coping and/or renaming the files.

Deirdre

On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there a Tab or Space character in the Autonumber definition for the
 Title paragraph? The only way to get rid of those is to edit the
 Autonumber properties. Do these boxes affect the printed output? It
 could also be a bullet or symbol character of some kind.

 Clint


 Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace  Electronics |
 +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113


 -Original Message-
 From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:13 PM
 To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List
 Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

 Thanks, Clint.

 The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first
 letter of the text.  I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the
 text.

 Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the
 text.  I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm
 learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that
 causes the whole document to crash.

 Deirdre


 On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy

  or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to

  add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations
  you can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the
  containing paragraph.
 
  I am not sure what you mean by outline boxes. Are these showing up
  in your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If
  so, they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs
  with only space characters, or something like that.
 
  If you hold the CTRL and ALT keys and click on a cross-reference,
  you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you

  a clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo
  and want to go directly to the source to fix it.
 
  Clint
 
 
 
 
  Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace  Electronics

  |
  +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM
  To: Owen, Clint
  Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
 
  I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the
  marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are
  cross-references.
 
  One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I
  renamed the chapter).
 
  The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I

  copied and renamed to create those chapters.
 
  Is this normal behavior and should I be worried?  Can I get rid of
  these markers?  They won't delete.  Do I want to get rid of them?  Do
  I want to keep them?
 
  Any advice would be much appreciated!
 
  Deirdre
 
 
 
 
 
  On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Thank you Clint!
  
   On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That
can be the source of strange characters.
   
As for the upside down T, that can be any one of several
different
 
kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to
that
 
paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing
paragraph is deleted.
   
Try this: go to Special  Marker, then highlight the area of the
paragraph where the T is. The Marker Text box will tell you what

kind of marker it is.
   
Clint
   
   
Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace 
Electronics |
+1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113
   
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre

Reagan
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM
To: Framer's List
Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
   
And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in
front of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T
in front of them.
   
I thought the bold T meant cross-reference?  I still don't know
what
 
the outlined box means.
   
Thanks,
   
Deirdre
   
   
On 7/2/08, 

RE: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Combs, Richard]

Ben Hechter wrote:
 
 Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
paragraph
 tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically set an
 associated condition?

Others have pointed out that such magic requires a script or plug-in.
But unless you need to do this _a lot_, it's not worth the trouble. If
you use keyboard shortcuts, you can tag a pgf with a condition just
about as fast as you can apply a pgf tag to it. 

If you need to do this often enough to consider a script, I have to
wonder why. Maybe there's another way to accomplish your purpose. In FM,
that's often the case. :-)

Richard


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Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Dierdre:

The T characters before your chapter headings are markers that are
created if you check Create Hypertext Links in the Table of Contents
dialog box. These markers enable the ability to jump from a TOC entry
to its source by clicking it in a PDF. In FM, you can use the
combination Ctrl+Alt+Click on a TOC entry to jump to the source.

HTH

Regards,

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Re: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Peter Gold]

Have you tried to copy an example of the condition to the clipboard
with Edit  Copy Special, then Find a paragraph format and Replace by
Pasting, with Replace All enabled?

HTH

Regards,

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RE: Sideheads that won't go away

[Matt Sullivan]

If Richard's solution doesn't fix, try verifying your Master Page frames
have Sideheads off as well (all of 'em)

If that doesn't fix it, you might want to investigate your Text Inset files,
though I doubt it's that deep.

 

-Matt Sullivan

 

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An Adobe Authorized Training Center

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:42 PM
To: Rene Stephenson; Framer's List
Subject: RE: Sideheads that won't go away

Rene Stephenson wrote:
 
 Somehow, one of the container FM files got some setting changed that
made
 all the text frames in that one file have sideheads. Now, our
templates for
 the container file do have sideheads on the master pages for the body
text
 frames, but if that were the source of the problem, one would think
that it
 would impact *all* the files, not just this one. I have been going
through
 this file and selecting each individual text frame that's within an
 anchored frame and setting the Object Properties to disable Room for
 sideheads. But, then I noticed something odd...
 
 Graphics (imported by ref) in the text inset files do NOT show the
text
 frames within the anchored frames as having sideheads, but when I
update
 now on the text inset, it puts room for sideheads on the graphics in
the
 sideheads when I select to use the source formatting, but it shows NO
room
 for sideheads when I use the container formatting...which completely
 puzzles me, since all the graphics in the container file are showing
the
 undesired sideheads for the text frames in anchored frames.  So, this
seems
 backwards/illogical to me.
 
 Anyway, if someone can just tell me what the setting is at the doc
 properties or formatting level that switches sideheads on/off for all
text
 frames in a FM file, I can just make sure it's set that way in both
source
 and container docs and move on...

I'm not even sure I understand the description of the text inset
behavior. :-} But maybe I can help with the side head setting issue. 

The Room for Side Heads check box is in the Customize Text Frame dialog
box, but it's not actually a text frame property. It's a _flow_
property; notice in the dialog, it's part of the Flow settings on the
lower right. 

Your main flow (body pages) is probably set to Flow Tag A. If you turn
on Room for Side Heads for any frame with a given flow tag, it's on for
_all_ frames with that flow tag (I'm not sure how FM behaves regarding
frames with no flow tag). 

So take a look at the flow tags for a few of the problematic text
frames. That might shed some light on what's happening. 

HTH!

Richard


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Re: Sideheads that won't go away

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks for responding, Richard!

Sorry about the rather circular description. It's definitely one of those 1 
picture vs. 1000 words scenarios. You'd get it at a glance if you could see 
what I see.

I thought about that, but the Flow Tag A is set to .5 sideheads, and the 
sideheads in these text frames inside the anchored frames are all 1.5... wtc, 
over?

 
Rene L. Stephenson




- Original Message 
From: Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not even sure I understand the description of the text inset
behavior. :-} But maybe I can help with the side head setting issue. 

The Room for Side Heads check box is in the Customize Text Frame dialog
box, but it's not actually a text frame property. It's a _flow_
property; notice in the dialog, it's part of the Flow settings on the
lower right. 

Your main flow (body pages) is probably set to Flow Tag A. If you turn
on Room for Side Heads for any frame with a given flow tag, it's on for
_all_ frames with that flow tag (I'm not sure how FM behaves regarding
frames with no flow tag). 

So take a look at the flow tags for a few of the problematic text
frames. That might shed some light on what's happening. 

HTH!

Richard
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Re: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Ben Hechter]

Thanks, Peter, an interesting idea to check out.



My main motivation is to make conditions more visible, to avoid later
confusion/errors due to conditions being a hidden attribute.

Ben
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RE: Sort order of entries in an index - Solved

[Linda G. Gallagher]

OK, Steve solved it. The key was the length of the numeric strings that I
wanted it sort on. I had to have the same number of digits in the [ ] for
sorting, and I'd been inconsistent; some where three digits and some were
four. My bad! 

So, my sort needed to be one of these:

[0070 mm]
[0090 mm] 
[0100 mm]
[0200 mm]

Or 

[070 mm]
[090 mm] 
[100 mm]
[200 mm]

Then all sorts correctly.


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




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From: DeRosier, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Reply to:

Message: 20
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:34:38 -0600
From: Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

What do you mean by a complete index entry? It doesn't seem to have to
match
the complete second level portion of the index entry, so I'm not clear.

No matter what I do, space, no space before the [, these still won't
sort
right under the stud and rollers first level entries.

- - - -

Linda,

Perhaps we are not understanding the issue that you really want to
solve.

Can you provide some of the entries surrounding the areas in which you
are having a problem?
It seems to me that you are tyring to get these index entries into more
than one location.

As a guess, are you wanting something like the following?

70 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...
90 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...
100 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...

..

roller locations
   70 mm stud
   90 mm stud
   100 mm stud

..

studs
   70 mm roller locations
   90 mm roller locations
   100 mm roller locations
   aluminum
   copper
   steel


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Re: condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Ben:

From your comment below, I'm not sure if you're aware of condition
indicators. You can create them with text attributes like overline,
underline, and strikethrough, plus a color - either one of the default
FM colors, or a custom color you create. You can opt to show or hide
these indicators; they print when they're visible. The indicators of
hidden conditions are also hidden, but with View  Text Symbols ON, a
marker (large T symbol) appears where content is hidden.

HTH

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master pages and multiple revisions

[Alan Litchfield]

This is what I would be inclined to do, what Martin suggested. It  
strikes me as pointless having more master pages than the final  
document page count, when instead you can simply type the date the  
page was edited.

 From your post I think you want any edits on the page to be reflected  
in the date on which it was edited, not just edits to specific  
paragraph styles. Is it true that you want to have this function  
automated too?

What I would do that is different to what has been suggested is to  
manually add the date to the affected page and then cross reference  
that in the revision table cell. Of course then you would the problem  
that new content will extend the page count and the edit dates may  
refer to changes that were made to content that have subsequently  
moved on and no longer on that page. Which then raises another  
question, what constitutes a change to content?

Cheers
Alan

On 2/07/2008, at 5:37 AM, martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the
> master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a text
> field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or revision
> date.
>
> However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a master
> page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that the text
> will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text to the
> document, the text will flow through as many pages as necessary to
> format the document.
>
> An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings and
> include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the major
> sections in the document.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martin
>
> Quoting Deirdre Reagan :
>
>> Hi All!
>>
>> FM 8.0, XP.
>>
>> I don't even know how to ask this question.
>>
>> Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date of
>> original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross-reference
>> (I know, I know) on the master page.
>>
>> If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
>> date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you  
>> create
>> a new master page based on the old master page and change the  
>> original
>> cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?
>>
>> I think that is what to do.
>>
>> If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
>> will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?
>>
>> Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deirdre
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master pages and multiple revisions

[Alan Litchfield]

Deirdre,

Just because the text is in the position of a footer on a page does  
not mean it therefore has to be on a master page.

Cheers
Alan

On 2/07/2008, at 9:55 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> Thanks all for these responses.
>
> The solution for my specific issue is to have multiple master pages.
>
> Because of the type of document I'm writing the date has to be in the
> footer (so master page) and any page with a change bar has to have a
> revision date (so, new master page).
>
> Deirdre
>
>
>
> On 7/1/08, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
>> This is what I would be inclined to do, what Martin suggested. It  
>> strikes me
>> as pointless having more master pages than the final document page  
>> count,
>> when instead you can simply type the date the page was edited.
>>
>> From your post I think you want any edits on the page to be  
>> reflected in the
>> date on which it was edited, not just edits to specific paragraph  
>> styles. Is
>> it true that you want to have this function automated too?
>>
>> What I would do that is different to what has been suggested is to  
>> manually
>> add the date to the affected page and then cross reference that in  
>> the
>> revision table cell. Of course then you would the problem that new  
>> content
>> will extend the page count and the edit dates may refer to changes  
>> that were
>> made to content that have subsequently moved on and no longer on  
>> that page.
>> Which then raises another question, what constitutes a change to  
>> content?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On 2/07/2008, at 5:37 AM, martin.smith at golehtek.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> An alternative would be to create a dedicated, named flow on the
>>> master page with auto-connect turned off. This would result in a  
>>> text
>>> field on each page that you could use to enter the issue or revision
>>> date.
>>>
>>> However, some potential issues come to mind. Whether you use a  
>>> master
>>> page or a text flow to track the dates, it is unlikely that the text
>>> will stay in sync with the master page. As you add new text to the
>>> document, the text will flow through as many pages as necessary to
>>> format the document.
>>>
>>> An alternative might be to auto-number your highest level headings  
>>> and
>>> include a table in the front matter that tracks revisions to the  
>>> major
>>> sections in the document.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Quoting Deirdre Reagan :
>>>
>>>
 Hi All!

 FM 8.0, XP.

 I don't even know how to ask this question.

 Let's say you have a 50 page document, and each page has the date  
 of
 original issue on it. The date of original issue is a cross- 
 reference
 (I know, I know) on the master page.

 If you want to make changes to a document and you want the revision
 date to appear only on the pages that have been revised, do you  
 create
 a new master page based on the old master page and change the  
 original
 cross-reference to a cross-reference to the revision date?

 I think that is what to do.

 If so, if we have a document that ends up in 12 revisions, then we
 will have 13 sets of master pages (1 original and 12 revisions)?

 Is that correct? All those master pages are ok?

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weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi all:

I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.

The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the
whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.

Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.  Neither
the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of
the document, as far as I can tell.  One paragraph tag has an asterisk
in front of it, but the other one doesn't.

Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable.  I
don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an
asterisk.

Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.

Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC,
would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?

Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error
messages, but the symbols all remained the same.

Thanks,

Deirdre

weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Deirdre Reagan]

And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front of
them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front of
them.

I thought the bold T meant cross-reference?  I still don't know what
the outlined box means.

Thanks,

Deirdre


On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan  wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.
>
> The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the
> whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.
>
> Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.  Neither
> the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of
> the document, as far as I can tell.  One paragraph tag has an asterisk
> in front of it, but the other one doesn't.
>
> Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable.  I
> don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an
> asterisk.
>
> Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.
>
> Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC,
> would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?
>
> Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error
> messages, but the symbols all remained the same.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
>

weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Owen, Clint]

Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That can be
the source of strange characters.

As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several different
kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to that
paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing paragraph is
deleted. 

Try this: go to Special >> Marker, then highlight the area of the
paragraph where the "T" is. The Marker Text box will tell you what kind
of marker it is.

Clint


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front of
them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front of
them.

I thought the bold T meant cross-reference?  I still don't know what the
outlined box means.

Thanks,

Deirdre


On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan  wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.
>
> The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the 
> whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.
>
> Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.  Neither 
> the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in the rest of 
> the document, as far as I can tell.  One paragraph tag has an asterisk

> in front of it, but the other one doesn't.
>
> Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the variable.  I

> don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an 
> asterisk.
>
> Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.
>
> Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC, 
> would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?
>
> Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error 
> messages, but the symbols all remained the same.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deirdre
>
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weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks, Clint.

The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first
letter of the text.  I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the
text.

Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the
text.  I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm
learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that
causes the whole document to crash.

Deirdre


On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint  wrote:
> The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy
> or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to
> add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations you
> can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the
> containing paragraph.
>
> I am not sure what you mean by "outline boxes". Are these showing up in
> your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If so,
> they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs with
> only "space" characters, or something like that.
>
> If you hold the "CTRL" and "ALT" keys and click on a cross-reference,
> you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you a
> clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo and
> want to go directly to the source to fix it.
>
> Clint
>
>
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
> +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.reagan at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM
> To: Owen, Clint
> Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
>
> I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the
> marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are
> cross-references.
>
> One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I renamed
> the chapter).
>
> The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I
> copied and renamed to create those chapters.
>
> Is this normal behavior and should I be worried?  Can I get rid of these
> markers?  They won't delete.  Do I want to get rid of them?  Do I want
> to keep them?
>
> Any advice would be much appreciated!
>
> Deirdre
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan  wrote:
> > Thank you Clint!
> >
> > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint  wrote:
> > > Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That can
> > > be the source of strange characters.
> > >
> > > As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several different
>
> > > kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to that
>
> > > paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing paragraph
> > > is deleted.
> > >
> > > Try this: go to Special >> Marker, then highlight the area of the
> > > paragraph where the "T" is. The Marker Text box will tell you what
> > > kind of marker it is.
> > >
> > > Clint
> > >
> > >
> > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace &
> > > Electronics |
> > > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
> > > Reagan
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM
> > > To: Framer's List
> > > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
> > >
> > > And in my TOC, the Chapter Titles all have the outline box in front
> > > of them, and the second level headings all have the bold T in front
> > > of them.
> > >
> > > I thought the bold T meant cross-reference?  I still don't know what
>
> > > the outlined box means.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Deirdre
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan  wrote:
> > > > Hi all:
> > > >
> > > > I have nine Chapter Titles that feed the TOC.
> > > >
> > > > The format of the title is [Variable] [Chapter Title Name] and the
>
> > > > whole thing is tagged Chapter Title.
> > > >
> > > > Two chapter titles have a bold T in front of the variable.
> > > > Neither the variable nor the chapter title is cross-referenced in
> > > > the rest of the document, as far as I can tell.  One paragraph tag
>
> > > > has an asterisk
> > >
> > > > in front of it, but the other one doesn't.
> > > >
> > > > Three chapter titles have an outlined box in front of the
> > > > variable.  I
> > >
> > > > don't know what this outlined box is. None of these tags have an
> > > > asterisk.
> > > >
> > > > Four chapters have no symbols in front of the variable.
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts on why these seven chapters, which only feed the TOC,
>
> > > > would have different symbols or none at all in front of them?
> > > >
> > > > Also, I erased the variable and ran the book, and got no error
> > > > messages, but the symbols all remained the same.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Deirdre
> > > >
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Sideheads that won't go away

[Rene Stephenson]

All,

I'm running FM7.2 on WinXP doing unstructured docs with text insets, using 
condition tags to control which insets show in this particular file, in a 
single-sourced, multiple-author environment. All the graphics are imported by 
reference, and all have callout applied within the anchored frame as a text 
frame (rather than a text line, because we used xrefs to hotlink the callout of 
the part to the table of part numbers). 

Somehow, one of the container FM files got some setting changed that made all 
the text frames in that one file have sideheads. Now, our templates for the 
container file do have sideheads on the master pages for the body text frames, 
but if that were the source of the problem, one would think that it would 
impact *all* the files, not just this one. I have been going through this file 
and selecting each individual text frame that's within an anchored frame and 
setting the Object Properties to disable "Room for sideheads." But, then I 
noticed something odd...

Graphics (imported by ref) in the text inset files do NOT show the text frames 
within the anchored frames as having sideheads, but when I "update now" on the 
text inset, it puts room for sideheads on the graphics in the sideheads when I 
select to use the source formatting, but it shows NO room for sideheads when I 
use the container formatting...which completely puzzles me, since all the 
graphics in the container file are showing the undesired sideheads for the text 
frames in anchored frames.  So, this seems backwards/illogical to me.

Anyway, if someone can just tell me what the setting is at the doc properties 
or formatting level that switches sideheads on/off for all text frames in a FM 
file, I can just make sure it's set that way in both source and container docs 
and move on...

Thanks, 
Rene L. Stephenson

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Ben Hechter]

Dear FM Gurus,

Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific paragraph tags 
(eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically set an associated 
condition?

Ben

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Deirdre Reagan]

In Paragraph Designer > Default Font, set the color to Red and create a new tag.

That worked for me.

Deirdre

On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter  wrote:
> Dear FM Gurus,
>
> Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific paragraph tags 
> (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically set an associated 
> condition?
>
> Ben
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condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Ben Hechter]

OK, bad example. How about para_chocolate, para_strawberry, para_neapolitan?


On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Deirdre Reagan  
wrote:
In Paragraph Designer > Default Font, set the color to Red and create a new tag.



That worked for me.



Deirdre



On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter  wrote:

> Dear FM Gurus,

>

> Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically
set an associated condition?

>

> Ben

> ___

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Deirdre Reagan]

Do you mean if chocolate, strawberry, or neapolitan were color
choices?  I know you can create your own color then add it to the
color palette and it shows up in the Paragraph Designer.

Deirdre

On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter  wrote:
>
> OK, bad example. How about para_chocolate, para_strawberry, para_neapolitan?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Deirdre Reagan  
> wrote:
> In Paragraph Designer > Default Font, set the color to Red and create a new 
> tag.
>
>
>
> That worked for me.
>
>
>
> Deirdre
>
>
>
> On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter  wrote:
>
> > Dear FM Gurus,
>
> >
>
> > Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
> paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically
> set an associated condition?
>
> >
>
> > Ben
>
> > ___
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Importing Ventura files

[Plueckhahn, Lutz]

Dear all,

Does anyone know how to import files created with Ventura? I have loads of 
manual files
here that come from various Ventura versions (pre and post Corel). I understand 
Framemaker
only imports files from versions 3 and 4? Were these before Corel?

Until now, I was only able to import one or two files which only contained 
graphics links but no
links to doc files. Whenever I try to import a Ventura chp file containing a 
link to a doc file, I get
an unspecified error and the import stops. 

Are there any tricks or tips around?

TIA!

Lutz

Sort order of entries in an index

[DeRosier, Edward]

Reply to:

Message: 20
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:34:38 -0600
From: "Linda G. Gallagher" 
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

What do you mean by a complete index entry? It doesn't seem to have to
match
the complete second level portion of the index entry, so I'm not clear.

No matter what I do, space, no space before the [, these still won't
sort
right under the stud and rollers first level entries.

- - - -

Linda,

Perhaps we are not understanding the issue that you really want to
solve.

Can you provide some of the entries surrounding the areas in which you
are having a problem?
It seems to me that you are tyring to get these index entries into more
than one location.

As a guess, are you wanting something like the following?

70 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...
90 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...
100 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...

...

roller locations
   70 mm stud
   90 mm stud
   100 mm stud

...

studs
   70 mm roller locations
   90 mm roller locations
   100 mm roller locations
   aluminum
   copper
   steel


Ed DeRosier
Anritsu Technical Publications

Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think.
[Niels Bohr]

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Lester C. Smalley]

You can add this to the "wish list" for future releases, but FrameMaker
does currently support automatically assigning a condition based on
paragraph (character, table) tags, although it is fairly simple to
automate this via an FDK client or FrameScript.

So I'm a bit confused by Deirdre's statement, unless it is simply being
able to mimic the display overrides of a condition.

On Wednesday, July 02, 2008 17:15, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| In Paragraph Designer > Default Font, set the color to Red and create
| a new tag.
| 
| That worked for me.
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter  wrote:
| > Dear FM Gurus,
| >
| > Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
| > paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow
| > magically set an associated condition?
| >
| > Ben

- Lester 
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
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---

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Lester and all.

Ah yes, I misunderstood condition.  He wants to apply a condition tag
to a paragraph tag, is that right?

I can change the color in a paragraph tag, and I can change the color
in a condition tag, but to apply a condition tag to a paragraph tag,
that I don't know how to do.

Deirdre

On 7/2/08, Lester C. Smalley  wrote:
> You can add this to the "wish list" for future releases, but FrameMaker
> does currently support automatically assigning a condition based on
> paragraph (character, table) tags, although it is fairly simple to
> automate this via an FDK client or FrameScript.
>
> So I'm a bit confused by Deirdre's statement, unless it is simply being
> able to mimic the display overrides of a condition.
>
> On Wednesday, July 02, 2008 17:15, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> | In Paragraph Designer > Default Font, set the color to Red and create
> | a new tag.
> |
> | That worked for me.
> |
> | Deirdre
> |
> | On 7/2/08, Ben Hechter  wrote:
> | > Dear FM Gurus,
> | >
> | > Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
> | > paragraph tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow
> | > magically set an associated condition?
> | >
> | > Ben
>
> - Lester
> ---
> Lester C. Smalley  Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com
> Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
> Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com
> ---
>
>

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Ben...

If you're trying to make it so when you tag a paragraph with a 
particular style, it also applies a named condition to that paragraph, 
you'd have to do that with an FDK plugin or FrameScript. It can be done, 
but not out of the box.

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Ben Hechter wrote:
> Dear FM Gurus,
>
> Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific paragraph tags 
> (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically set an associated 
> condition?
>
> Ben
>
>
>   

Sideheads that won't go away

[Combs, Richard]

Rene Stephenson wrote:

> Somehow, one of the container FM files got some setting changed that
made
> all the text frames in that one file have sideheads. Now, our
templates for
> the container file do have sideheads on the master pages for the body
text
> frames, but if that were the source of the problem, one would think
that it
> would impact *all* the files, not just this one. I have been going
through
> this file and selecting each individual text frame that's within an
> anchored frame and setting the Object Properties to disable "Room for
> sideheads." But, then I noticed something odd...
> 
> Graphics (imported by ref) in the text inset files do NOT show the
text
> frames within the anchored frames as having sideheads, but when I
"update
> now" on the text inset, it puts room for sideheads on the graphics in
the
> sideheads when I select to use the source formatting, but it shows NO
room
> for sideheads when I use the container formatting...which completely
> puzzles me, since all the graphics in the container file are showing
the
> undesired sideheads for the text frames in anchored frames.  So, this
seems
> backwards/illogical to me.
> 
> Anyway, if someone can just tell me what the setting is at the doc
> properties or formatting level that switches sideheads on/off for all
text
> frames in a FM file, I can just make sure it's set that way in both
source
> and container docs and move on...

I'm not even sure I understand the description of the text inset
behavior. :-} But maybe I can help with the side head setting issue. 

The Room for Side Heads check box is in the Customize Text Frame dialog
box, but it's not actually a text frame property. It's a _flow_
property; notice in the dialog, it's part of the Flow settings on the
lower right. 

Your main flow (body pages) is probably set to Flow Tag A. If you turn
on Room for Side Heads for any frame with a given flow tag, it's on for
_all_ frames with that flow tag (I'm not sure how FM behaves regarding
frames with no flow tag). 

So take a look at the flow tags for a few of the problematic text
frames. That might shed some light on what's happening. 

HTH!

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
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303-777-0436
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Searching the archives

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hi Lutz:

Weird, this message just appeared in my mail box, but it says it was
sent three days ago.

I search the Framer's list by googling "search term site:lists.framusers.com"

For instance, if I google "deirdre site:lists.frameusers.com I get an
embarrasingly large number of hits.

HTH

Deirdre

On 6/30/08, Plueckhahn, Lutz  wrote:
> Dear Framers,
>
> It's been a long time since I've lurked into the Framers' list. Hence, I have 
> no idea
> how to search inside the list archives. Can anyone help?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lutz
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Searching the archives

[Combs, Richard]

Plueckhahn, Lutz wrote: 

> It's been a long time since I've lurked into the Framers' list. Hence,
I
> have no idea
> how to search inside the list archives. Can anyone help?

In a Google search box, type " site:frameusers.com" (sans
quotes).

Richard


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Importing Ventura files

[Combs, Richard]

Plueckhahn, Lutz wrote: 

> Does anyone know how to import files created with Ventura? I have
loads of
> manual files
> here that come from various Ventura versions (pre and post Corel). I
> understand Framemaker
> only imports files from versions 3 and 4? Were these before Corel?

Waaay before (and quite ancient). 

> Until now, I was only able to import one or two files which only
contained
> graphics links but no
> links to doc files. Whenever I try to import a Ventura chp file
containing
> a link to a doc file, I get
> an unspecified error and the import stops.

It's been years and years and years since I worked with Ventura, but
IIRC, the .chp file doesn't contain anything but metadata and links. The
text was entered (and edited) in a word processor or text editor. So you
don't import the .chp file, you import the Word (or whatever) file(s)
that the .chp references. 

At least, that's how I recall things working back when we had the
kerosene-fired computers. ;-)

Richard


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weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Deirdre Reagan]

Clint:

Nope, no tab or space in the autonumber box.

The boxes don't effect the printed output at all. As far as I've been
able to determine, they are markers that point to the file I used to
create these files.

The first file, the one with the T, I renamed to a new name.  The T
marker points to the original name of the document.

The other four files, one with a T and three with a box marker, all
point to the file I copied to create those four files.

I've been looking through my two reference books (Adobe's User Guide
and Adobe's Classroom in a Book) and the online help, but I haven't
been able to narrow it down further than they appear to be related to
coping and/or renaming the files.

Deirdre

On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint  wrote:
> Is there a Tab or Space character in the Autonumber definition for the
> Title paragraph? The only way to get rid of those is to edit the
> Autonumber properties. Do these boxes affect the printed output? It
> could also be a bullet or symbol character of some kind.
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
> +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.reagan at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:13 PM
> To: Owen, Clint; Framer's List
> Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
>
> Thanks, Clint.
>
> The outline box is a little box that is appearing before the first
> letter of the text.  I tried to delete it and it moved to behind the
> text.
>
> Thank you for setting my mind at ease about these not affecting the
> text.  I'm being asked to make changes to these documents and I'm
> learning as I'm going, so I don't want to remove the one thing that
> causes the whole document to crash.
>
> Deirdre
>
>
> On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint  wrote:
> > The extra markers won't hurt anything, like affecting the printed copy
>
> > or some such. They don't take up any space in the line. When you go to
>
> > add a new cross-reference they will show up as possible destinations
> > you can choose from. The only way to get rid of them is to delete the
> > containing paragraph.
> >
> > I am not sure what you mean by "outline boxes". Are these showing up
> > in your output or moving other characters in the paragraph around? If
> > so, they could be cross-references to empty paragraphs, or paragraphs
> > with only "space" characters, or something like that.
> >
> > If you hold the "CTRL" and "ALT" keys and click on a cross-reference,
> > you will be taken to the source of the reference, which might give you
>
> > a clue as to its origin. This works in the TOC if you notice a typo
> > and want to go directly to the source to fix it.
> >
> > Clint
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics
>
> > |
> > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:deirdre.reagan at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:54 PM
> > To: Owen, Clint
> > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
> >
> > I did what Clive suggested, used the Marker menu item to identify the
> > marker, and both the bold T (not upside down, but T) and the box are
> > cross-references.
> >
> > One bold T marks a cross-reference to that chapter's old name (I
> > renamed the chapter).
> >
> > The other bold T and all the outline boxes cross-reference a chapter I
>
> > copied and renamed to create those chapters.
> >
> > Is this normal behavior and should I be worried?  Can I get rid of
> > these markers?  They won't delete.  Do I want to get rid of them?  Do
> > I want to keep them?
> >
> > Any advice would be much appreciated!
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/2/08, Deirdre Reagan  wrote:
> > > Thank you Clint!
> > >
> > > On 7/2/08, Owen, Clint  wrote:
> > > > Were these templates imported from MS Word, by any chance? That
> > > > can be the source of strange characters.
> > > >
> > > > As for the upside down "T", that can be any one of several
> > > > different
> >
> > > > kinds of marker. If you have ever cross-referenced something to
> > > > that
> >
> > > > paragraph the marker will remain, even if the referencing
> > > > paragraph is deleted.
> > > >
> > > > Try this: go to Special >> Marker, then highlight the area of the
> > > > paragraph where the "T" is. The Marker Text box will tell you what
>
> > > > kind of marker it is.
> > > >
> > > > Clint
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace &
> > > > Electronics |
> > > > +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
>
> > > > Reagan
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:31 PM
> > > > To: Framer's List
> > > > Subject: Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles
> > > >
> > > > And in my TOC, 

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Combs, Richard]

Ben Hechter wrote:

> Any thoughts on the possibility of creating condition-specific
paragraph
> tags (eg para_red, para_blue) that would somehow magically set an
> associated condition?

Others have pointed out that such "magic" requires a script or plug-in.
But unless you need to do this _a lot_, it's not worth the trouble. If
you use keyboard shortcuts, you can tag a pgf with a condition just
about as fast as you can apply a pgf tag to it. 

If you need to do this often enough to consider a script, I have to
wonder why. Maybe there's another way to accomplish your purpose. In FM,
that's often the case. :-)

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Dierdre:

The "T" characters before your chapter headings are markers that are
created if you check "Create Hypertext Links" in the Table of Contents
dialog box. These markers enable the ability to jump from a TOC entry
to its source by clicking it in a PDF. In FM, you can use the
combination Ctrl+Alt+Click on a TOC entry to jump to the source.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
__
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Peter Gold]

Have you tried to copy an example of the condition to the clipboard
with Edit > Copy Special, then Find a paragraph format and Replace by
Pasting, with Replace All enabled?

HTH

Regards,

Peter
__
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Sideheads that won't go away

[Matt Sullivan]

If Richard's solution doesn't fix, try verifying your Master Page frames
have Sideheads off as well (all of 'em)

If that doesn't fix it, you might want to investigate your Text Inset files,
though I doubt it's that deep.



-Matt Sullivan



GRAFIX Training, Inc.

An Adobe Authorized Training Center

www.grafixtraining.com

888 882-2819 


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:42 PM
To: Rene Stephenson; Framer's List
Subject: RE: Sideheads that won't go away

Rene Stephenson wrote:

> Somehow, one of the container FM files got some setting changed that
made
> all the text frames in that one file have sideheads. Now, our
templates for
> the container file do have sideheads on the master pages for the body
text
> frames, but if that were the source of the problem, one would think
that it
> would impact *all* the files, not just this one. I have been going
through
> this file and selecting each individual text frame that's within an
> anchored frame and setting the Object Properties to disable "Room for
> sideheads." But, then I noticed something odd...
> 
> Graphics (imported by ref) in the text inset files do NOT show the
text
> frames within the anchored frames as having sideheads, but when I
"update
> now" on the text inset, it puts room for sideheads on the graphics in
the
> sideheads when I select to use the source formatting, but it shows NO
room
> for sideheads when I use the container formatting...which completely
> puzzles me, since all the graphics in the container file are showing
the
> undesired sideheads for the text frames in anchored frames.  So, this
seems
> backwards/illogical to me.
> 
> Anyway, if someone can just tell me what the setting is at the doc
> properties or formatting level that switches sideheads on/off for all
text
> frames in a FM file, I can just make sure it's set that way in both
source
> and container docs and move on...

I'm not even sure I understand the description of the text inset
behavior. :-} But maybe I can help with the side head setting issue. 

The Room for Side Heads check box is in the Customize Text Frame dialog
box, but it's not actually a text frame property. It's a _flow_
property; notice in the dialog, it's part of the Flow settings on the
lower right. 

Your main flow (body pages) is probably set to Flow Tag A. If you turn
on Room for Side Heads for any frame with a given flow tag, it's on for
_all_ frames with that flow tag (I'm not sure how FM behaves regarding
frames with no flow tag). 

So take a look at the flow tags for a few of the problematic text
frames. That might shed some light on what's happening. 

HTH!

Richard


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Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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303-777-0436
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Sideheads that won't go away

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks for responding, Richard!

Sorry about the rather circular description. It's definitely one of those 1 
picture vs. 1000 words scenarios. You'd get it at a glance if you could see 
what I see.

I thought about that, but the Flow Tag A is set to .5" sideheads, and the 
sideheads in these text frames inside the anchored frames are all 1.5"... wtc, 
over?


Rene L. Stephenson




- Original Message 
From: "Combs, Richard" 
I'm not even sure I understand the description of the text inset
behavior. :-} But maybe I can help with the side head setting issue. 

The Room for Side Heads check box is in the Customize Text Frame dialog
box, but it's not actually a text frame property. It's a _flow_
property; notice in the dialog, it's part of the Flow settings on the
lower right. 

Your main flow (body pages) is probably set to Flow Tag A. If you turn
on Room for Side Heads for any frame with a given flow tag, it's on for
_all_ frames with that flow tag (I'm not sure how FM behaves regarding
frames with no flow tag). 

So take a look at the flow tags for a few of the problematic text
frames. That might shed some light on what's happening. 

HTH!

Richard

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Ben Hechter]

Thanks, Peter, an interesting idea to check out.



My main motivation is to make conditions more "visible", to avoid later
confusion/errors due to conditions being a "hidden" attribute.

Ben

Sort order of entries in an index - Solved

[Linda G. Gallagher]

OK, Steve solved it. The key was the length of the numeric strings that I
wanted it sort on. I had to have the same number of digits in the [ ] for
sorting, and I'd been inconsistent; some where three digits and some were
four. My bad! 

So, my sort needed to be one of these:

[0070 mm]
[0090 mm] 
[0100 mm]
[0200 mm]

Or 

[070 mm]
[090 mm] 
[100 mm]
[200 mm]

Then all sorts correctly.


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: DeRosier, Edward [mailto:edward.deros...@anritsu.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:53 AM
To: lindag at techcomplus.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

Reply to:

Message: 20
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:34:38 -0600
From: "Linda G. Gallagher" 
Subject: RE: Sort order of entries in an index

What do you mean by a complete index entry? It doesn't seem to have to
match
the complete second level portion of the index entry, so I'm not clear.

No matter what I do, space, no space before the [, these still won't
sort
right under the stud and rollers first level entries.

- - - -

Linda,

Perhaps we are not understanding the issue that you really want to
solve.

Can you provide some of the entries surrounding the areas in which you
are having a problem?
It seems to me that you are tyring to get these index entries into more
than one location.

As a guess, are you wanting something like the following?

70 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...
90 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...
100 mm stud
   roller locations
   roller maintenance
   standardized something...

..

roller locations
   70 mm stud
   90 mm stud
   100 mm stud

..

studs
   70 mm roller locations
   90 mm roller locations
   100 mm roller locations
   aluminum
   copper
   steel


Ed DeRosier
Anritsu Technical Publications

Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think.
[Niels Bohr]

condition-specific paragraph tags idea

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Ben:

>From your comment below, I'm not sure if you're aware of condition
indicators. You can create them with text attributes like overline,
underline, and strikethrough, plus a color - either one of the default
FM colors, or a custom color you create. You can opt to show or hide
these indicators; they print when they're visible. The indicators of
hidden conditions are also hidden, but with View > Text Symbols ON, a
marker (large "T" symbol) appears where content is hidden.

HTH

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Ben Hechter  wrote:
> Thanks, Peter, an interesting idea to check out.
>
> My main motivation is to make conditions more "visible", to avoid later
> confusion/errors due to conditions being a "hidden" attribute.
>
> Ben
>

Regards,

Peter
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Peter Gold
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