Svar: Framers Digest, Vol 33, Issue 9 (Ferie / Holiday)

[Lisbeth Nielsen]

Jeg er på ferie, men er tilbage d. 28. juli

I am on holiday, but I shall be back on 28 July.

Venlig hilsen/Kind regards
Lisbeth Nielsen
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OT: Article on Enabling PDFs for User Input

[Shlomo Perets]

My article on Enabling PDFs for User Input is now available at
http://www.front-runner.com/tools_and_resources/articles/enabling_pdfs.html
(with links to sample PDFs, demonstrating different approaches).


Shlomo Perets
MicroType, FrameMaker/Acrobat training  consulting

24 easy ways to improve your PDFs with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants,
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html

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Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix nowavailable

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

No crashes here either (yet) and I made no other changes than
installing the hotfix.

Bodvar

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM, John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I uninstalled some other potential problems and now all is well - no
 more crashes today.

 -Original Message-
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:05 AM
 To: John Sgammato; FrameUsers List
 Subject: Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix
 nowavailable

 John,
 Have you tried uninstalling the fix yet, to compare? (No crashes here,
 yet, but I haven't put it on a production system yet.)

 Art

 On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:59 AM, John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 I downloaded and installed the XP file.
 Since then FM has crashed three times. I never had that problem
 before.

 john

 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Art Campbell
 Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 7:41 AM
 To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; FrameUsers List
 Subject: Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix

 nowavailable



 When I downloaded from the site, you had to specify your OS, I assume
 in order to get an OS-specific file. I think this is because it is an
 expidited hot fix that isn't available for general release yet. But
 I specified XP, and it gave me a file that installed fine.
 348411_ENU_i386_zip.exe at 715 K

 Art

 On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Seems that this is only for Vista. That is the only option I get and
 the file I received was a Vista installation file. I even opened it
 using the expand function, but this showed only Windows 6.0 related

 files (mum and cab).  Is there a way to get this working on XP SP2?

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix nowavailable

[Yves Barbion]

Same thing here: no crashes yet and pristine PDFs. Fingers crossed.

Phew! When I saw John's reply about his three crashes, I was considering to
hold my silence forever in this group. But then again, don't shoot the
messenger, right? ;-)



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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 No crashes here either (yet) and I made no other changes than
 installing the hotfix.

 Bodvar

 On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM, John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I uninstalled some other potential problems and now all is well - no
  more crashes today.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:05 AM
  To: John Sgammato; FrameUsers List
  Subject: Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix
  nowavailable
 
  John,
  Have you tried uninstalling the fix yet, to compare? (No crashes here,
  yet, but I haven't put it on a production system yet.)
 
  Art
 
  On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:59 AM, John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  I downloaded and installed the XP file.
  Since then FM has crashed three times. I never had that problem
  before.
 
  john
 
  
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Art Campbell
  Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 7:41 AM
  To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; FrameUsers List
  Subject: Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix
 
  nowavailable
 
 
 
  When I downloaded from the site, you had to specify your OS, I assume
  in order to get an OS-specific file. I think this is because it is an
  expidited hot fix that isn't available for general release yet. But
  I specified XP, and it gave me a file that installed fine.
  348411_ENU_i386_zip.exe at 715 K
 
  Art
 
  On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  Seems that this is only for Vista. That is the only option I get and
  the file I received was a Vista installation file. I even opened it
  using the expand function, but this showed only Windows 6.0 related
 
  files (mum and cab).  Is there a way to get this working on XP SP2?
 
  Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 
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Re: question about moving around in tables

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks everyone for all these responses.  I know now three more things
I didn't know yesterday!

Deirdre

On 7/8/08, Klaus Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Deirdre,

  Anyone know if we can use arrows to move from row to row in a table?

 If you have FrameScript installed, there's a free script
 TableNavigation.fsl that allows you to navigate in tables
 using the arrow keys.
 http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?L=1#c1973
 (registration required)

 Kind regards,
 Klaus Müller, itl AG

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Re: FM8 benefits

[Fred Wersan]

If the primary reason to move to Frame 8 is to go structured and take 
advantage of conditions using attributes, then I suggest they go 
structured in 7.2 and use ABCM from West St. Consulting. Or go to FM8 
for other reasons (like track changes) and still use ABCM. The frame 
implementation of condition by attribute seems very clumsy to me. By 
comparison ABCM (or Sourcerer) is much easier to use (and free).  And 
for text insets, I suggest using Insets Plus (also from West. St. also 
free.)

The big issue is not moving to FM8, it is moving to structured 
FrameMaker. (which I think is a good thing, but will probably be more 
costly to them in time and effort than buying the fm8 licenses.)

Fred
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Overrides a necessary evil?

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!
 
I realize this dilemma is opinion-based, but here goes:
In structured FrameMaker, in theory there shouldn't be any overrides,
right? They should have all been accounted for when devising the
structure. So everyone (at least in theory) should be writing/formatting
the same way. 
 
What about page breaks? I understand the widow/orphan capabilities, but
sometimes it still looks awkward - it would look better (and reads
better) to move a whole section to the next page.
 
Any opinions either way? Or any good reasons why one is better than the
other?
 
Thanks for the input!
Kristy
 
Kristy Nolan
Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
Dallas, TX 75235
 
 
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RE: Overrides a necessary evil?

[Etzel, Gary]

If you need it that badly, then you can write page breaks into your
structure, so that it's not an override. Set up an attribute on any
elements that could require a page break (Headings, for example) and
write in a context rule that applies a page break if you set the
attribute to a certain value.

Gary


 In my opinion, I think most would agree, page breaks are just about
the
 only acceptable override in non-structured documents. As you point
out,
 sometimes you need to fix awkward breaks.



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Re: Overrides a necessary evil?

[martin . smith]

Hi Kristy,

I get around the pagination issue in my structured documents by adding  
a pagination attribute to my section elements that includes the  
choices Top_Of_Page and Top_Of_Column. This allows me to start any  
section at the top of a page or column if necessary.

Context-based formatting rules in the EDD detect the value of the  
pagination attribute and set the pagination properties of the  
corresponding heading paragraph accordingly.

You can use this technique to gain fine control over any  
layout-specific properties in structured documents.

I also find this technique useful to swap out the graphical icons  
associated with warnings, cautions, notes, and tips. I also use this  
technique to control alignment in table cells. I have also added  
attributes to the root element of a chapter to toggle  
branding-specific color schemes throughout the entire document.

Best regards,

Martin

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www.golehtek.com


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question about moving around in tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Deirdre,

> Anyone know if we can use arrows to move from row to row in a table?

If you have FrameScript installed, there's a free script
TableNavigation.fsl that allows you to navigate in tables
using the arrow keys.
http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?=1#c1973
(registration required)

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG

Svar: Framers Digest, Vol 33, Issue 9 (Ferie / Holiday)

[Lisbeth Nielsen]

Jeg er p? ferie, men er tilbage d. 28. juli

I am on holiday, but I shall be back on 28 July.

Venlig hilsen/Kind regards
Lisbeth Nielsen

OT: Article on "Enabling PDFs for User Input"

[Shlomo Perets]

My article on "Enabling PDFs for User Input" is now available at
http://www.front-runner.com/tools_and_resources/articles/enabling_pdfs.html
(with links to sample PDFs, demonstrating different approaches).


Shlomo Perets
MicroType, FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting

"24 easy ways to improve your PDFs with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers/Assistants",
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html

Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix nowavailable

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

No crashes here either (yet) and I made no other changes than
installing the hotfix.

Bodvar

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:
> I uninstalled some other potential problems and now all is well - no
> more crashes today.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:05 AM
> To: John Sgammato; FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix
> nowavailable
>
> John,
> Have you tried uninstalling the fix yet, to compare? (No crashes here,
> yet, but I haven't put it on a production system yet.)
>
> Art
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:59 AM, John Sgammato 
> wrote:
>> I downloaded and installed the XP file.
>> Since then FM has crashed three times. I never had that problem
> before.
>>
>> john
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Art Campbell
>> Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 7:41 AM
>> To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; FrameUsers List
>> Subject: Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix
>
>> nowavailable
>>
>>
>>
>> When I downloaded from the site, you had to specify your OS, I assume
>> in order to get an OS-specific file. I think this is because it is an
>> expidited "hot" fix that isn't available for general release yet. But
>> I specified XP, and it gave me a file that installed fine.
>> 348411_ENU_i386_zip.exe at 715 K
>>
>> Art
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
> wrote:
>>> Seems that this is only for Vista. That is the only option I get and
>>> the file I received was a Vista installation file. I even opened it
>>> using the "expand" function, but this showed only Windows 6.0 related
>
>>> files (mum and cab).  Is there a way to get this working on XP SP2?
>>>
>>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>>
>> --
>> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
>>  DoD 358
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Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix nowavailable

[Yves Barbion]

Same thing here: no crashes yet and pristine PDFs. Fingers crossed.

Phew! When I saw John's reply about his three crashes, I was considering to
hold my silence forever in this group. But then again, don't shoot the
messenger, right? ;-)



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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
wrote:

> No crashes here either (yet) and I made no other changes than
> installing the hotfix.
>
> Bodvar
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM, John Sgammato 
> wrote:
> > I uninstalled some other potential problems and now all is well - no
> > more crashes today.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:05 AM
> > To: John Sgammato; FrameUsers List
> > Subject: Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix
> > nowavailable
> >
> > John,
> > Have you tried uninstalling the fix yet, to compare? (No crashes here,
> > yet, but I haven't put it on a production system yet.)
> >
> > Art
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:59 AM, John Sgammato 
> > wrote:
> >> I downloaded and installed the XP file.
> >> Since then FM has crashed three times. I never had that problem
> > before.
> >>
> >> john
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Art Campbell
> >> Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 7:41 AM
> >> To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; FrameUsers List
> >> Subject: Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix
> >
> >> nowavailable
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> When I downloaded from the site, you had to specify your OS, I assume
> >> in order to get an OS-specific file. I think this is because it is an
> >> expidited "hot" fix that isn't available for general release yet. But
> >> I specified XP, and it gave me a file that installed fine.
> >> 348411_ENU_i386_zip.exe at 715 K
> >>
> >> Art
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:30 AM, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
> > wrote:
> >>> Seems that this is only for Vista. That is the only option I get and
> >>> the file I received was a Vista installation file. I even opened it
> >>> using the "expand" function, but this showed only Windows 6.0 related
> >
> >>> files (mum and cab).  Is there a way to get this working on XP SP2?
> >>>
> >>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> >>
> >> --
> >> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
> >>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> >
> >> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson  No disclaimers apply.
> >>  DoD 358
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question about moving around in tables

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks everyone for all these responses.  I know now three more things
I didn't know yesterday!

Deirdre

On 7/8/08, Klaus Mueller  wrote:
> Hello Deirdre,
>
> > Anyone know if we can use arrows to move from row to row in a table?
>
> If you have FrameScript installed, there's a free script
> TableNavigation.fsl that allows you to navigate in tables
> using the arrow keys.
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FM8 benefits

[Fred Wersan]

If the primary reason to move to Frame 8 is to go structured and take 
advantage of conditions using attributes, then I suggest they go 
structured in 7.2 and use ABCM from West St. Consulting. Or go to FM8 
for other reasons (like track changes) and still use ABCM. The frame 
implementation of condition by attribute seems very clumsy to me. By 
comparison ABCM (or Sourcerer) is much easier to use (and free).  And 
for text insets, I suggest using Insets Plus (also from West. St. also 
free.)

The big issue is not moving to FM8, it is moving to structured 
FrameMaker. (which I think is a good thing, but will probably be more 
costly to them in time and effort than buying the fm8 licenses.)

Fred
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FM8 benefits

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks for the great tips and assessment, Fred! I'll check out ABCM and Insets 
Plus.

I did finally receive approval for FM 8.0, so when I upgrade my personal copy, 
I'll get the TCS for myself. That way I can truly investigate that option as 
well as retain the flexibility for other clients. I'll have to look at whether 
their project timeline would allow for moving to structured FM before I can 
pitch any cost/feasibility to them, but I do see some potentially great 
benefits.

Thanks EVERYONE for your priceless input!!


Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Fred Wersan 

If the primary reason to move to Frame 8 is to go structured and take 
advantage of conditions using attributes, then I suggest they go 
structured in 7.2 and use ABCM from West St. Consulting. Or go to FM8 
for other reasons (like track changes) and still use ABCM. The frame 
implementation of condition by attribute seems very clumsy to me. By 
comparison ABCM (or Sourcerer) is much easier to use (and free).  And 
for text insets, I suggest using Insets Plus (also from West. St. also 
free.)

The big issue is not moving to FM8, it is moving to structured 
FrameMaker. (which I think is a good thing, but will probably be more 
costly to them in time and effort than buying the fm8 licenses.)

Overrides a necessary evil?

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I realize this dilemma is opinion-based, but here goes:
In structured FrameMaker, in theory there shouldn't be any overrides,
right? They should have all been "accounted for" when devising the
structure. So everyone (at least in theory) should be writing/formatting
the same way. 

What about page breaks? I understand the widow/orphan capabilities, but
sometimes it still looks awkward - it would look better (and reads
better) to move a whole section to the next page.

Any opinions either way? Or any good reasons why one is better than the
other?

Thanks for the input!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
Dallas, TX 75235

Overrides a necessary evil?

[Owen, Clint]

Kristy,

In my opinion, I think most would agree, page breaks are just about the
only acceptable override in non-structured documents. As you point out,
sometimes you need to fix awkward breaks.

I don't work with structured documents a lot, but I think the printed
layout gets compromised somewhat because it is so difficult to control
from within the structure.

Clint


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Hi, all!

I realize this dilemma is opinion-based, but here goes:
In structured FrameMaker, in theory there shouldn't be any overrides,
right? They should have all been "accounted for" when devising the
structure. So everyone (at least in theory) should be writing/formatting
the same way. 

What about page breaks? I understand the widow/orphan capabilities, but
sometimes it still looks awkward - it would look better (and reads
better) to move a whole section to the next page.

Any opinions either way? Or any good reasons why one is better than the
other?

Thanks for the input!
Kristy

Kristy Nolan
Publications Specialist
Ground Ops Publications DAL-3TR
Southwest Airlines
Dallas, TX 75235


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Overrides a necessary evil?

[Etzel, Gary]

If you need it that badly, then you can write page breaks into your
structure, so that it's not an override. Set up an attribute on any
elements that could require a page break (Headings, for example) and
write in a context rule that applies a page break if you set the
attribute to a certain value.

Gary


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the
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out,
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Overrides a necessary evil?

[martin.sm...@golehtek.com]

Hi Kristy,

I get around the pagination issue in my structured documents by adding  
a "pagination" attribute to my section elements that includes the  
choices Top_Of_Page and Top_Of_Column. This allows me to start any  
section at the top of a page or column if necessary.

Context-based formatting rules in the EDD detect the value of the  
pagination attribute and set the pagination properties of the  
corresponding heading paragraph accordingly.

You can use this technique to gain fine control over any  
layout-specific properties in structured documents.

I also find this technique useful to swap out the graphical icons  
associated with warnings, cautions, notes, and tips. I also use this  
technique to control alignment in table cells. I have also added  
attributes to the root element of a chapter to toggle  
branding-specific color schemes throughout the entire document.

Best regards,

Martin

Martin R. Smith
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.fm to .xml conversion using VC++

[Ram kumar]

How to Convert .fm files to xml when i try for this its saying me with some
"cannot initialize apiclient error"


and also Stdafx.h precomplied error..
thanks in advance

Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key

[Callie Bertsche]

Hello Framers! It's my first post to the list! I've been gleaning useful
knowledge from you all for awhile; thanks!

I am stymied on a "simple" problem. Keyboard shortcuts save me lots of
time, like CTRL-D for the Character Designer dialog. For some reason,
however, I cannot use the preset CTRL-M to bring up the Paragraph
Designer dialog. I wonder if my FrameMaker app has CTRL-M set to some
other function, and yet when I hit CTRL-M repeatedly (in frustration),
(seemingly) nothing happens. Where can I adjust my keyboard shortcuts?
In FrameMaker somewhere? Anywhere? Agh!

Cheers, Fellow Framers,

Callie Bertsche
Technical Writer
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