date:20091125

Bruce Foster's Archive plug-in does the same thing.
You can download from http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/Archive.htm

Cheers,
Art

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, rradcli...@invacare.com wrote:

 Hello All,

 After finishing a book we used the Zenserve Book Store Plug-in for FM to
 pull a copy of all files, including images used in the book, and place
 them into a new folder, Book Store would do this no mater where the
 original file was saved and would maintain all cross-references and image
 links in the new copy of the book.

 This copy could then be sent to translators or printers with no font or
 missing link issues. A copy is also saved into an archive system separate
 from our working files.

 Unfortunately, Zenserve appears to be out of business, so as we replace
 our computers we can no longer get new licences to reinstall the plug-in.

 Would any of you have a recommendation for a replacement to Book Store?
 Any help would be appreciated.

 Thanks for your time,

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Re: hyperlink problem - solved

Glad you solved the problem.
Adobe PDF logical printers print books in a single step as the default
behaviour... As far as I know, the only way to get it to print into separate
files is to specify separate files on the FM print dialog box, to get around
the default.
So I'd suggest really looking at all the checkboxes on the Print dialog
box.to see what you're specifying. Generate Acrobat must be checked, but
Print To File and Separate files should be OFF.

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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Jo Watkiss jowatk...@watkiss.com wrote:

 Thanks Art and Stuart,

 I needed to turn on the 'Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs'
 option.
 I have a feeling this issue has come up before, but I'd forgotten about
 it!

 BTW - I'm printing a postscript file and then distilling, because it
 seems to be the only way to get the book into a single PDF file. If I've
 missed something, please let me know.

 Thanks,
 Jo

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 Subject: Re: hyperlink problem

 Art Campbell wrote:
 
  And in your PDF properties, try turning Tagged PDF to ON.
 

 Also try turning on Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs, on the
 Links tab.  That will initially bloat your pdf file, but you can
 optimize in Acrobat to remove unused named destinations.

 HTH

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RE: hyperlink problem - solved

2009-11-25 Thread Fred Ridder


In response to Jo Watkiss, Art Campbell wrote: 

 Glad you solved the problem.
 Adobe PDF logical printers print books in a single step as the default
 behaviour... As far as I know, the only way to get it to print into separate
 files is to specify separate files on the FM print dialog box, to get around
 the default.
 So I'd suggest really looking at all the checkboxes on the Print dialog
 box.to see what you're specifying. Generate Acrobat must be checked, but
 Print To File and Separate files should be OFF.


Perhaps what is confusing Jo is that whenever you toggle the Generate Acrobat 
Data option from unchecked to checked, it also automatically selects the Print 
To File option. You can then uncheck Print To File without affecting the 
Generate Acrobat Data setting, but you have to remember to do it. On my first 
go at producing a PDF from a book, I forget that step as often as I remember 
it, and I periodically have to purge my system of all the unneeded and unused 
PS files that I created in those D'oh!!! moments.

But I agree that I have never observed the Separate Files option be selected as 
the default.

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Re: hyperlink problem - solved

2009-11-25 Thread Stuart Rogers

Fred Ridder wrote:
 In response to Jo Watkiss, Art Campbell wrote:
 
 Glad you solved the problem. Adobe PDF logical printers print books
 in a single step as the default behaviour... As far as I know, the
 only way to get it to print into separate files is to specify
 separate files on the FM print dialog box, to get around the
 default. So I'd suggest really looking at all the checkboxes on the
 Print dialog box.to see what you're specifying. Generate Acrobat
 must be checked, but Print To File and Separate files should be
 OFF.
 
 
 Perhaps what is confusing Jo is that whenever you toggle the Generate
 Acrobat Data option from unchecked to checked, it also automatically
 selects the Print To File option. You can then uncheck Print To File
 without affecting the Generate Acrobat Data setting, but you have to
 remember to do it. On my first go at producing a PDF from a book, I
 forget that step as often as I remember it, and I periodically have
 to purge my system of all the unneeded and unused PS files that I
 created in those D'oh!!! moments.
 
 But I agree that I have never observed the Separate Files option be
 selected as the default.
 

I think Jo said she is using 6.0, which may not have the separate files 
option.  But I seem to remember that early versions of FM would produce 
a separate PDF per chapter when printing from the book window if you put 
an asterisk (only) in the filename box for Print to file.

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Re: hyperlink problem - solved

Jo's original follow up post was saying that she WANTS the single file, but
can't get it... not the other way around. So the problem would be why she
can't get the default behaviour.

Art

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  Stuart Rogers wrote:

  I think Jo said she is using 6.0, which may not have the separate files
  option. But I seem to remember that early versions of FM would produce
  a separate PDF per chapter when printing from the book window if you put
  an asterisk (only) in the filename box for Print to file.

 Right you are, Stuart. I had been remembering FM6 as the first version that
 included the separate files option. But a quick visit to my bookshelf
 proved that I was mistaken; that feature wasn't introduced until FM7.
 But the fact is that the only way that you could get FM6 to produce
 separate PDFs for the chapters in a book was to print to file and use an
 asterisk in place of a filename. As I recall, there was no way to get
 separate PDFs directly; you always had to print to PS, then distill. It was
 about as far as you can get from default behavior.
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Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

2009-11-25 Thread Lynn Durell

Hi,

My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 
(yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

We're all running Win XP.


Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in 
v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still 
read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the 
upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare 
occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks  AutoMap 2003 Client within FM 
menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that 
are released?

Any other tips for upgrading?

Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

Thanks very much in advance for your help,
Lynn
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RE: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

2009-11-25 Thread Kristy Nolan

Hi, Lynn!

Short answers to some of your questions:
Yes, opening the docs in v9 is all you have to do and save as you
normally do.
However, you can only backsave to v8 from v9. We have run into this
problem several times, having to find someone one on v8 to then backsave
to v7.

Hope that helps!
Kristy

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Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

Hi,

My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9
(yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

We're all running Win XP.


Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in
v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still
read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the
upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare
occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks  AutoMap 2003 Client within FM
menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that
are released?

Any other tips for upgrading?

Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

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RE: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

2009-11-25 Thread David Spreadbury

Lynn,
I haven't upgraded to FM9, yet. It might happen in the near future though.

In all the upgrades I have done with FrameMaker in the past, to get your
documents updated just open and save. Everything should work just fine.

As far as those members of your team that are staying on an earlier release,
you would need to do a SaveAs FM7.x any documents that you send to them. You
would need to do this each and every time, so getting everyone on the same
version as soon as possible would save you some work. Also, if you use any
of the new features of FM9, you will lose them when you SaveAs FM7.x.

I don't use WebWorks, but if memory serves me, every time you upgrade FM you
upgrade WebWorks. This can get pretty expensive if you have a lot of users.

David Spreadbury
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

Hi,

My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 
(yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

We're all running Win XP.


Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in 
v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still 
read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the 
upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare 
occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks  AutoMap 2003 Client within FM 
menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that 
are released?

Any other tips for upgrading?

Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

Thanks very much in advance for your help,
Lynn


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Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk wrote:

 Hi,

 My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9
 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

 We're all running Win XP.


 Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in
 v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

 Yes, that's all there is to it, but you need to SaveAs MIF.


 Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still
 read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the
 upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare
 occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

 You need to back save to a MIF format. The issues would be that any
features in 9 would drop out in 7. If you use any foreign characters, that'd
be a problem because 9 supports unicode characters and fonts, but 7 did not.



 We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks  AutoMap 2003 Client within FM
 menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

 Webworks doesn't exist as a product any longer. It became ePublisher, and
the current version is required to support FM9.

You're likely to be better off financially by upgrading to the Tech Comm
Suite so you can also get the current version of Acrobat and then switch to
RoboHelp.


 When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that
 are released?

 It depends on when Adobe updates their CDs to include the patches.
Downloading them or using the built-in installer is pretty painless though.


 Any other tips for upgrading?

 Some people have reported font issues with really old font files.


 Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

 Support stopped when version 8 shipped several years ago.


 Thanks very much in advance for your help,
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Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Version: FM9 (9.0p237)
OS: XP Pro with SP3

I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC, which seemed 
to be fine.

After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then copying in 
the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all Numbering, 
Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of what seems 
to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and Scriptorium FrameMaker 
book to no avail.

I've tried everything I know (which as a FrameMaker newbie is probably not 
much) and cannot get the TOC to generate. I had hoped to have this completed 
last night, but gave up in frustration. A fresh look this morning hasn't helped.

Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. (I can supply a TIF of what the 
LSP provided and what I generate if that would be of any help.)

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
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RE: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

2009-11-25 Thread Combs, Richard

Alison Craig wrote:
 
 I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC,
which
 seemed to be fine.
 
 After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then
copying
 in the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all
Numbering,
 Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

Umm... should you really be doing this? I'm no expert on handling
translations (that's someone else's job), so maybe I'm off base. But
when we get translated books back, we generally make no changes to the
translated files (oh, occasionally there's a doc number to correct or
something like that), we just PDF them as is. (For Hebrew, the vendor
even supplies the PDF, since they have to port the RTL languages to
InDesign.) 
 
 Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of
what
 seems to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and
Scriptorium
 FrameMaker book to no avail.

In the bad TOC file, select View  Reference Pages. Find the TOC
specification -- it's in a text frame with the flow name TOC, and it
contains paragraphs that have tag names like the headings included in
the TOC, but with a TOC suffix (e.g., Heading1TOC). It sounds like
each of those pgfs contains only the page number variable ($pagenum). 

Now find the TOC spec in the ref pages of a good TOC and compare it to
the bad TOC spec. It may look more like this: 

$chapnum  $paratext  $pagenum
(there are tabs in there, including a leader tab in front of $pagenum)

If that's the situation, try this: Copy all the text in the good TOC
specification and replace all the text in the bad TOC specification with
it. Then update/regenerate. 

If I'm completely off base regarding the situation or that doesn't solve
the problem, try spending some quality time in the Tables of Contents
section of the help/manual. Even if you can't figure it out, a better
understanding of TOCs in FM might help you describe the situation in
more detail. 
 

Richard G. Combs
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Re: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

I'm on the same page as Richard on this, but with a couple of twists

The most important one would be HOW the translation vendor was able to
generate any kind of TOC. Part of the deal is usually that you receive
working files back from the vendor, and it certainly sounds as if you
didn't. So that would be the big one. And one that may save you some time
and money.

To fix it...
First, I'd make a copy of the unmodified translated directory.
Assuming they didn't rename any of your tags... I'd try importing formats
and Ref pages from a working TOC into the faulty TOC and then update to see
what you get. This is a version of what Richard suggested, but I'd try
updating first to see if you can avoid the micro-level troubleshooting.

If that fails, I'd try setting up the translated content files in a new
book, and generate a new TOC.

Art

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redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Combs, Richard
richard.co...@polycom.comwrote:

 Alison Craig wrote:

  I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC,
 which
  seemed to be fine.
 
  After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then
 copying
  in the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all
 Numbering,
  Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

 Umm... should you really be doing this? I'm no expert on handling
 translations (that's someone else's job), so maybe I'm off base. But
 when we get translated books back, we generally make no changes to the
 translated files (oh, occasionally there's a doc number to correct or
 something like that), we just PDF them as is. (For Hebrew, the vendor
 even supplies the PDF, since they have to port the RTL languages to
 InDesign.)

  Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of
 what
  seems to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and
 Scriptorium
  FrameMaker book to no avail.

 In the bad TOC file, select View  Reference Pages. Find the TOC
 specification -- it's in a text frame with the flow name TOC, and it
 contains paragraphs that have tag names like the headings included in
 the TOC, but with a TOC suffix (e.g., Heading1TOC). It sounds like
 each of those pgfs contains only the page number variable ($pagenum).

 Now find the TOC spec in the ref pages of a good TOC and compare it to
 the bad TOC spec. It may look more like this:

$chapnum  $paratext  $pagenum
 (there are tabs in there, including a leader tab in front of $pagenum)

 If that's the situation, try this: Copy all the text in the good TOC
 specification and replace all the text in the bad TOC specification with
 it. Then update/regenerate.

 If I'm completely off base regarding the situation or that doesn't solve
 the problem, try spending some quality time in the Tables of Contents
 section of the help/manual. Even if you can't figure it out, a better
 understanding of TOCs in FM might help you describe the situation in
 more detail.


 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
 --
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RESOLVED: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Rick:

Thanks again for walking me through the process to resolve my TOC issues.

Alison

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:34 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Version: FM9 (9.0p237)
OS: XP Pro with SP3

I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC, which seemed 
to be fine.

After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then copying in 
the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all Numbering, 
Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of what seems 
to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and Scriptorium FrameMaker 
book to no avail.

I've tried everything I know (which as a FrameMaker newbie is probably not 
much) and cannot get the TOC to generate. I had hoped to have this completed 
last night, but gave up in frustration. A fresh look this morning hasn't helped.

Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. (I can supply a TIF of what the 
LSP provided and what I generate if that would be of any help.)

Alison

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Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
130 - 4311 Viking Way
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RE: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Richard:

I always tweak the layout (making changes to column widths, breaking text 
streams in better places, etc). I have found that no matter how much you pay 
for DTP they never get it exactly right - so I don't pay for final DTP costs 
and do it myself. We often go the extra step of sending a completed/tweaked 
manual to an in-country proofer (native speakers with expertise in our field) 
and I have never had a complaint regarding this issue.

FYI: All my manuals are laid out with numbered headings so I always know 
exactly where I am regardless of language (and I actually have a degree in 
Spanish so for this language, understanding the content is no problem).

Rick Quattro gave me some invaluable help over the phone so I (he) figured out 
where my inexperience had led me astray - I didn't have the correct formats 
selected for inclusion in the TOC.

Maybe in 10 years I'll have this program completely figured out!

Alison

 
Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:24 AM
To: Alison Craig; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Alison Craig wrote:
 
 I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC,
which
 seemed to be fine.
 
 After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then
copying
 in the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all
Numbering,
 Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

Umm... should you really be doing this? I'm no expert on handling
translations (that's someone else's job), so maybe I'm off base. But
when we get translated books back, we generally make no changes to the
translated files (oh, occasionally there's a doc number to correct or
something like that), we just PDF them as is. (For Hebrew, the vendor
even supplies the PDF, since they have to port the RTL languages to
InDesign.) 
 
 Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of
what
 seems to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and
Scriptorium
 FrameMaker book to no avail.

In the bad TOC file, select View  Reference Pages. Find the TOC
specification -- it's in a text frame with the flow name TOC, and it
contains paragraphs that have tag names like the headings included in
the TOC, but with a TOC suffix (e.g., Heading1TOC). It sounds like
each of those pgfs contains only the page number variable ($pagenum). 

Now find the TOC spec in the ref pages of a good TOC and compare it to
the bad TOC spec. It may look more like this: 

$chapnum  $paratext  $pagenum
(there are tabs in there, including a leader tab in front of $pagenum)

If that's the situation, try this: Copy all the text in the good TOC
specification and replace all the text in the bad TOC specification with
it. Then update/regenerate. 

If I'm completely off base regarding the situation or that doesn't solve
the problem, try spending some quality time in the Tables of Contents
section of the help/manual. Even if you can't figure it out, a better
understanding of TOCs in FM might help you describe the situation in
more detail. 
 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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RE: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Art:

It's entirely possible that I screwed this up on my own (not that my LSP hasn't 
been known to make a mistake - this time I had to ask for 4 files to be 
regenerated as they were a mix of English and Spanish!). When I get a moment 
I'll delve into VSS to look at the original file they sent and check it out.

As I said to Richard, Rick Quattro figured this out for me so everything is now 
working as it should be.

Thanks for your input. The people on this list have been extremely helpful - I 
try and keep up with the topics every day and make sure to follow any thread 
that sheds light on issues that might affect me as well.

Alison


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Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
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From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:33 AM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

I'm on the same page as Richard on this, but with a couple of twists

The most important one would be HOW the translation vendor was able to generate 
any kind of TOC. Part of the deal is usually that you receive working files 
back from the vendor, and it certainly sounds as if you didn't. So that would 
be the big one. And one that may save you some time and money.

To fix it...
First, I'd make a copy of the unmodified translated directory.
Assuming they didn't rename any of your tags... I'd try importing formats and 
Ref pages from a working TOC into the faulty TOC and then update to see what 
you get. This is a version of what Richard suggested, but I'd try updating 
first to see if you can avoid the micro-level troubleshooting.

If that fails, I'd try setting up the translated content files in a new book, 
and generate a new TOC.

Art

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  art.campb...@gmail.commailto:art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Combs, Richard 
richard.co...@polycom.commailto:richard.co...@polycom.com wrote:
Alison Craig wrote:

 I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC,
which
 seemed to be fine.

 After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then
copying
 in the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all
Numbering,
 Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).
Umm... should you really be doing this? I'm no expert on handling
translations (that's someone else's job), so maybe I'm off base. But
when we get translated books back, we generally make no changes to the
translated files (oh, occasionally there's a doc number to correct or
something like that), we just PDF them as is. (For Hebrew, the vendor
even supplies the PDF, since they have to port the RTL languages to
InDesign.)

 Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of
what
 seems to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and
Scriptorium
 FrameMaker book to no avail.
In the bad TOC file, select View  Reference Pages. Find the TOC
specification -- it's in a text frame with the flow name TOC, and it
contains paragraphs that have tag names like the headings included in
the TOC, but with a TOC suffix (e.g., Heading1TOC). It sounds like
each of those pgfs contains only the page number variable ($pagenum).

Now find the TOC spec in the ref pages of a good TOC and compare it to
the bad TOC spec. It may look more like this:

   $chapnum  $paratext  $pagenum
(there are tabs in there, including a leader tab in front of $pagenum)

If that's the situation, try this: Copy all the text in the good TOC
specification and replace all the text in the bad TOC specification with
it. Then update/regenerate.

If I'm completely off base regarding the situation or that doesn't solve
the problem, try spending some quality time in the Tables of Contents
section of the help/manual. Even if you can't figure it out, a better
understanding of TOCs in FM might help you describe the situation in
more detail.


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Re: custom text plugin wanted

Thanks Art, that looks useful indeed. I'll give it a try soon.

cheers,
Jakob.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 15:11, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com wrote:
I think AutoText will do all, or most, of the stuff you want.
http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jakob Fix jakob@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool
(Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured).
One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the
possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and
associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they
accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets
and thus avoided speling errors.

I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9. I have found
Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our
requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured,
text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root
element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar,
one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box.

Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be
interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this
list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather
than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be:
- provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text
(up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in
FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as
context menu or modeless dialogue)
- store them persistently in between sessions
- allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete
a button and its associated snippet)
- as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons

cheers,
Jakob.
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Re: custom text plugin wanted

Hi Scott,

I will try your advice about unwrapping the root element and see if
that works, although this won't be a satisfactory solution for the
authors. Please let me know when you release a new version of
StructureSnippets which can also handle simple text nodes.

cheers,
Jakob.



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 19:04, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:
 Hi Jakob...

 Regarding StructureSnippets .. you can manually edit the snippet files to
 unwrap the root element to leave just the plain text. This may help in the
 short term, and I'll look into updating the plugin to accommodate plain text
 (CDATA) nodes as a standard feature.

 Adding the ability to create and manage custom toolbars would be a bit of
 work, and could probably be a plugin of its own. If you don't find such a
 tool (I'm not aware of one), I'd be happy to look into developing it.

 Cheers,

 ...scott

 Scott Prentice
 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892



 Jakob Fix wrote:

 Hello,

 We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool
 (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured).
 One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the
 possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and
 associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they
 accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets
 and thus avoided speling errors.

 I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9.  I have found
 Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our
 requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured,
 text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root
 element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar,
 one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box.

 Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be
 interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this
 list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather
 than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be:
 - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text
 (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in
 FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as
 context menu or modeless dialogue)
 - store them persistently in between sessions
 - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete
 a button and its associated snippet)
 - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons

 cheers,
 Jakob.
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Re: custom text plugin wanted

2009-11-25 Thread Scott Prentice

Hi Jakob...

I've updated StructureSnippets to support plain text nodes and will 
release an updated version in a couple weeks after a bit more testing. 
I'll send the FM9 version to you directly for testing.

If anyone else would like to test this before it's released (FM7/8/9), 
just send me an email off list.

Cheers,

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Jakob Fix wrote:
 Hi Scott,

 I will try your advice about unwrapping the root element and see if
 that works, although this won't be a satisfactory solution for the
 authors. Please let me know when you release a new version of
 StructureSnippets which can also handle simple text nodes.

 cheers,
 Jakob.



 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 19:04, Scott Prentice wrote:
   
 Hi Jakob...

 Regarding StructureSnippets .. you can manually edit the snippet files to
 unwrap the root element to leave just the plain text. This may help in the
 short term, and I'll look into updating the plugin to accommodate plain text
 (CDATA) nodes as a standard feature.

 Adding the ability to create and manage custom toolbars would be a bit of
 work, and could probably be a plugin of its own. If you don't find such a
 tool (I'm not aware of one), I'd be happy to look into developing it.

 Cheers,

 ...scott

 Scott Prentice
 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892



 Jakob Fix wrote:
 
 Hello,

 We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool
 (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured).
 One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the
 possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and
 associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they
 accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets
 and thus avoided speling errors.

 I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9.  I have found
 Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our
 requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured,
 text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root
 element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar,
 one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box.

 Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be
 interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this
 list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather
 than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be:
 - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text
 (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in
 FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as
 context menu or modeless dialogue)
 - store them persistently in between sessions
 - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete
 a button and its associated snippet)
 - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons

 cheers,
 Jakob.

   

   
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hyperlink problem - solved

2009-11-25 Thread Jo Watkiss

Thanks Art and Stuart,

I needed to turn on the 'Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs'
option.
I have a feeling this issue has come up before, but I'd forgotten about
it! 

BTW - I'm printing a postscript file and then distilling, because it
seems to be the only way to get the book into a single PDF file. If I've
missed something, please let me know.

Thanks,
Jo

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Sent: 24 November 2009 18:07
To: Jo Watkiss
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: hyperlink problem

Art Campbell wrote:
> 
> And in your PDF properties, try turning Tagged PDF to ON.
> 

Also try turning on Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs, on the
Links tab.  That will initially bloat your pdf file, but you can
optimize in Acrobat to remove unused named destinations.

HTH

--
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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2009-11-25 Thread John Pilla



I am out of the office until 30-11-2009.

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Note: This is an automated response to your message  "Framers Digest, Vol
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Zenserve Book Store plug-in replacement

Bruce Foster's Archive plug-in does the same thing.
You can download from http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/Archive.htm

Cheers,
Art

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM,  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> After finishing a book we used the Zenserve Book Store Plug-in for FM to
> pull a copy of all files, including images used in the book, and place
> them into a new folder, Book Store would do this no mater where the
> original file was saved and would maintain all cross-references and image
> links in the new copy of the book.
>
> This copy could then be sent to translators or printers with no font or
> missing link issues. A copy is also saved into an archive system separate
> from our working files.
>
> Unfortunately, Zenserve appears to be out of business, so as we replace
> our computers we can no longer get new licences to reinstall the plug-in.
>
> Would any of you have a recommendation for a replacement to Book Store?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks for your time,
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hyperlink problem - solved

Glad you solved the problem.
Adobe PDF logical printers print books in a single step as the default
behaviour... As far as I know, the only way to get it to print into separate
files is to specify separate files on the FM print dialog box, to get around
the default.
So I'd suggest really looking at all the checkboxes on the Print dialog
box.to see what you're specifying. Generate Acrobat must be checked, but
Print To File and Separate files should be OFF.

Art Campbell
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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Jo Watkiss  wrote:

> Thanks Art and Stuart,
>
> I needed to turn on the 'Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs'
> option.
> I have a feeling this issue has come up before, but I'd forgotten about
> it!
>
> BTW - I'm printing a postscript file and then distilling, because it
> seems to be the only way to get the book into a single PDF file. If I've
> missed something, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Jo
>
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> Sent: 24 November 2009 18:07
> To: Jo Watkiss
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: hyperlink problem
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
> >
> > And in your PDF properties, try turning Tagged PDF to ON.
> >
>
> Also try turning on Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs, on the
> Links tab.  That will initially bloat your pdf file, but you can
> optimize in Acrobat to remove unused named destinations.
>
> HTH
>
> --
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hyperlink problem - solved

2009-11-25 Thread Fred Ridder

In response to Jo Watkiss, Art Campbell wrote: 

> Glad you solved the problem.
> Adobe PDF logical printers print books in a single step as the default
> behaviour... As far as I know, the only way to get it to print into separate
> files is to specify separate files on the FM print dialog box, to get around
> the default.
> So I'd suggest really looking at all the checkboxes on the Print dialog
> box.to see what you're specifying. Generate Acrobat must be checked, but
> Print To File and Separate files should be OFF.

Perhaps what is confusing Jo is that whenever you toggle the Generate Acrobat 
Data option from unchecked to checked, it also automatically selects the Print 
To File option. You can then uncheck Print To File without affecting the 
Generate Acrobat Data setting, but you have to remember to do it. On my first 
go at producing a PDF from a book, I forget that step as often as I remember 
it, and I periodically have to purge my system of all the unneeded and unused 
PS files that I created in those "D'oh!!!" moments.

But I agree that I have never observed the Separate Files option be selected as 
the default.

-Fred Ridder

hyperlink problem - solved

2009-11-25 Thread Stuart Rogers

Fred Ridder wrote:
> In response to Jo Watkiss, Art Campbell wrote:
> 
>> Glad you solved the problem. Adobe PDF logical printers print books
>> in a single step as the default behaviour... As far as I know, the
>> only way to get it to print into separate files is to specify
>> separate files on the FM print dialog box, to get around the
>> default. So I'd suggest really looking at all the checkboxes on the
>> Print dialog box.to see what you're specifying. Generate Acrobat
>> must be checked, but Print To File and Separate files should be
>> OFF.
> 
> 
> Perhaps what is confusing Jo is that whenever you toggle the Generate
> Acrobat Data option from unchecked to checked, it also automatically
> selects the Print To File option. You can then uncheck Print To File
> without affecting the Generate Acrobat Data setting, but you have to
> remember to do it. On my first go at producing a PDF from a book, I
> forget that step as often as I remember it, and I periodically have
> to purge my system of all the unneeded and unused PS files that I
> created in those "D'oh!!!" moments.
> 
> But I agree that I have never observed the Separate Files option be
> selected as the default.
> 

I think Jo said she is using 6.0, which may not have the separate files 
option.  But I seem to remember that early versions of FM would produce 
a separate PDF per chapter when printing from the book window if you put 
an asterisk (only) in the filename box for Print to file.

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Technical writers explain How to Work the Product."

hyperlink problem - solved

2009-11-25 Thread Fred Ridder

Stuart Rogers wrote:

> I think Jo said she is using 6.0, which may not have the separate files 
> option. But I seem to remember that early versions of FM would produce 
> a separate PDF per chapter when printing from the book window if you put 
> an asterisk (only) in the filename box for Print to file.

Right you are, Stuart. I had been remembering FM6 as the first version that 
included the separate files option. But a quick visit to my bookshelf proved 
that I was mistaken; that feature wasn't introduced until FM7.

But the fact is that the only way that you could get FM6 to produce separate 
PDFs for the chapters in a book was to print to file and use an asterisk in 
place of a filename. As I recall, there was no way to get separate PDFs 
directly; you always had to print to PS, then distill. It was about as far as 
you can get from default behavior.

-Fred Ridder

hyperlink problem - solved

Jo's original follow up post was saying that she WANTS the single file, but
can't get it... not the other way around. So the problem would be why she
can't get the default behaviour.

Art

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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

>  Stuart Rogers wrote:
>
> > I think Jo said she is using 6.0, which may not have the separate files
> > option. But I seem to remember that early versions of FM would produce
> > a separate PDF per chapter when printing from the book window if you put
> > an asterisk (only) in the filename box for Print to file.
>
> Right you are, Stuart. I had been remembering FM6 as the first version that
> included the separate files option. But a quick visit to my bookshelf
> proved that I was mistaken; that feature wasn't introduced until FM7.
> But the fact is that the only way that you could get FM6 to produce
> separate PDFs for the chapters in a book was to print to file and use an
> asterisk in place of a filename. As I recall, there was no way to get
> separate PDFs directly; you always had to print to PS, then distill. It was
> about as far as you can get from default behavior.
> -Fred Ridder
>

Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

2009-11-25 Thread Lynn Durell

Hi,

My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 
(yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

We're all running Win XP.


Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in 
v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still 
read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the 
upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare 
occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM 
menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that 
are released?

Any other tips for upgrading?

Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

Thanks very much in advance for your help,
Lynn

Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

2009-11-25 Thread Kristy Nolan

Hi, Lynn!

Short answers to some of your questions:
Yes, opening the docs in v9 is all you have to do and save as you
normally do.
However, you can only backsave to v8 from v9. We have run into this
problem several times, having to find someone one on v8 to then backsave
to v7.

Hope that helps!
Kristy

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Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

Hi,

My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9
(yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

We're all running Win XP.


Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in
v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still
read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the
upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare
occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM
menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that
are released?

Any other tips for upgrading?

Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn
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Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

2009-11-25 Thread David Spreadbury

Lynn,
I haven't upgraded to FM9, yet. It might happen in the near future though.

In all the upgrades I have done with FrameMaker in the past, to get your
documents updated just open and save. Everything should work just fine.

As far as those members of your team that are staying on an earlier release,
you would need to do a SaveAs FM7.x any documents that you send to them. You
would need to do this each and every time, so getting everyone on the same
version as soon as possible would save you some work. Also, if you use any
of the new features of FM9, you will lose them when you SaveAs FM7.x.

I don't use WebWorks, but if memory serves me, every time you upgrade FM you
upgrade WebWorks. This can get pretty expensive if you have a lot of users.

David Spreadbury
Sr. Technical Writer


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Durell
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

Hi,

My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 
(yippee, we've never upgraded before!).

We're all running Win XP.


Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in 
v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?

Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still 
read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the 
upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare 
occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?

We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM 
menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?

When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that 
are released?

Any other tips for upgrading?

Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?

Thanks very much in advance for your help,
Lynn

Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9

Answers cut in

Art Campbell
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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Durell  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9
> (yippee, we've never upgraded before!).
>
> We're all running Win XP.
>
>
> Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in
> v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that?
>
> Yes, that's all there is to it, but you need to SaveAs MIF.


> Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still
> read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the
> upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare
> occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this?
>
> You need to back save to a MIF format. The issues would be that any
features in 9 would drop out in 7. If you use any foreign characters, that'd
be a problem because 9 supports unicode characters and fonts, but 7 did not.



> We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM
> menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9?
>
> Webworks doesn't exist as a product any longer. It became ePublisher, and
the current version is required to support FM9.

You're likely to be better off financially by upgrading to the Tech Comm
Suite so you can also get the current version of Acrobat and then switch to
RoboHelp.


> When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that
> are released?
>
> It depends on when Adobe updates their CDs to include the patches.
Downloading them or using the built-in installer is pretty painless though.


> Any other tips for upgrading?
>
> Some people have reported font issues with really old font files.


> Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe?
>
> Support stopped when version 8 shipped several years ago.


> Thanks very much in advance for your help,
> Lynn
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Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Version: FM9 (9.0p237)
OS: XP Pro with SP3

I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC, which seemed 
to be fine.

After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then copying in 
the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all Numbering, 
Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of what seems 
to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and Scriptorium FrameMaker 
book to no avail.

I've tried everything I know (which as a FrameMaker newbie is probably not 
much) and cannot get the TOC to generate. I had hoped to have this completed 
last night, but gave up in frustration. A fresh look this morning hasn't helped.

Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. (I can supply a TIF of what the 
LSP provided and what I generate if that would be of any help.)

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
130 - 4311 Viking Way
Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
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Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

2009-11-25 Thread Combs, Richard

Alison Craig wrote:

> I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC,
which
> seemed to be fine.
> 
> After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then
copying
> in the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all
Numbering,
> Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

Umm... should you really be doing this? I'm no expert on handling
translations (that's someone else's job), so maybe I'm off base. But
when we get translated books back, we generally make no changes to the
translated files (oh, occasionally there's a doc number to correct or
something like that), we just PDF them as is. (For Hebrew, the vendor
even supplies the PDF, since they have to port the RTL languages to
InDesign.) 

> Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of
what
> seems to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and
Scriptorium
> FrameMaker book to no avail.

In the bad TOC file, select View > Reference Pages. Find the TOC
specification -- it's in a text frame with the flow name "TOC," and it
contains paragraphs that have tag names like the headings included in
the TOC, but with a "TOC" suffix (e.g., "Heading1TOC"). It sounds like
each of those pgfs contains only the page number variable (<$pagenum>). 

Now find the TOC spec in the ref pages of a good TOC and compare it to
the bad TOC spec. It may look more like this: 

<$chapnum>  <$paratext>  <$pagenum>
(there are tabs in there, including a leader tab in front of <$pagenum>)

If that's the situation, try this: Copy all the text in the good TOC
specification and replace all the text in the bad TOC specification with
it. Then update/regenerate. 

If I'm completely off base regarding the situation or that doesn't solve
the problem, try spending some quality time in the "Tables of Contents"
section of the help/manual. Even if you can't figure it out, a better
understanding of TOCs in FM might help you describe the situation in
more detail. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

I'm on the same page as Richard on this, but with a couple of twists

The most important one would be HOW the translation vendor was able to
generate any kind of TOC. Part of the deal is usually that you receive
working files back from the vendor, and it certainly sounds as if you
didn't. So that would be the big one. And one that may save you some time
and money.

To fix it...
First, I'd make a copy of the unmodified translated directory.
Assuming they didn't rename any of your tags... I'd try importing formats
and Ref pages from a working TOC into the faulty TOC and then update to see
what you get. This is a version of what Richard suggested, but I'd try
updating first to see if you can avoid the micro-level troubleshooting.

If that fails, I'd try setting up the translated content files in a new
book, and generate a new TOC.

Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Alison Craig wrote:
>
> > I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC,
> which
> > seemed to be fine.
> >
> > After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then
> copying
> > in the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all
> Numbering,
> > Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).
>
> Umm... should you really be doing this? I'm no expert on handling
> translations (that's someone else's job), so maybe I'm off base. But
> when we get translated books back, we generally make no changes to the
> translated files (oh, occasionally there's a doc number to correct or
> something like that), we just PDF them as is. (For Hebrew, the vendor
> even supplies the PDF, since they have to port the RTL languages to
> InDesign.)
>
> > Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of
> what
> > seems to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and
> Scriptorium
> > FrameMaker book to no avail.
>
> In the bad TOC file, select View > Reference Pages. Find the TOC
> specification -- it's in a text frame with the flow name "TOC," and it
> contains paragraphs that have tag names like the headings included in
> the TOC, but with a "TOC" suffix (e.g., "Heading1TOC"). It sounds like
> each of those pgfs contains only the page number variable (<$pagenum>).
>
> Now find the TOC spec in the ref pages of a good TOC and compare it to
> the bad TOC spec. It may look more like this:
>
><$chapnum>  <$paratext>  <$pagenum>
> (there are tabs in there, including a leader tab in front of <$pagenum>)
>
> If that's the situation, try this: Copy all the text in the good TOC
> specification and replace all the text in the bad TOC specification with
> it. Then update/regenerate.
>
> If I'm completely off base regarding the situation or that doesn't solve
> the problem, try spending some quality time in the "Tables of Contents"
> section of the help/manual. Even if you can't figure it out, a better
> understanding of TOCs in FM might help you describe the situation in
> more detail.
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
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RESOLVED: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Rick:

Thanks again for walking me through the process to resolve my TOC issues.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:34 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Version: FM9 (9.0p237)
OS: XP Pro with SP3

I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC, which seemed 
to be fine.

After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then copying in 
the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all Numbering, 
Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of what seems 
to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and Scriptorium FrameMaker 
book to no avail.

I've tried everything I know (which as a FrameMaker newbie is probably not 
much) and cannot get the TOC to generate. I had hoped to have this completed 
last night, but gave up in frustration. A fresh look this morning hasn't helped.

Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. (I can supply a TIF of what the 
LSP provided and what I generate if that would be of any help.)

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
130 - 4311 Viking Way
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Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Richard:

I always tweak the layout (making changes to column widths, breaking text 
streams in better places, etc). I have found that no matter how much you pay 
for DTP they never get it exactly right - so I don't pay for final DTP costs 
and do it myself. We often go the extra step of sending a completed/tweaked 
manual to an in-country proofer (native speakers with expertise in our field) 
and I have never had a complaint regarding this issue.

FYI: All my manuals are laid out with numbered headings so I always know 
exactly where I am regardless of language (and I actually have a degree in 
Spanish so for this language, understanding the content is no problem).

Rick Quattro gave me some invaluable help over the phone so I (he) figured out 
where my inexperience had led me astray - I didn't have the correct formats 
selected for inclusion in the TOC.

Maybe in 10 years I'll have this program completely figured out!

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:24 AM
To: Alison Craig; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Alison Craig wrote:

> I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC,
which
> seemed to be fine.
> 
> After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then
copying
> in the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all
Numbering,
> Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).

Umm... should you really be doing this? I'm no expert on handling
translations (that's someone else's job), so maybe I'm off base. But
when we get translated books back, we generally make no changes to the
translated files (oh, occasionally there's a doc number to correct or
something like that), we just PDF them as is. (For Hebrew, the vendor
even supplies the PDF, since they have to port the RTL languages to
InDesign.) 

> Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of
what
> seems to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and
Scriptorium
> FrameMaker book to no avail.

In the bad TOC file, select View > Reference Pages. Find the TOC
specification -- it's in a text frame with the flow name "TOC," and it
contains paragraphs that have tag names like the headings included in
the TOC, but with a "TOC" suffix (e.g., "Heading1TOC"). It sounds like
each of those pgfs contains only the page number variable (<$pagenum>). 

Now find the TOC spec in the ref pages of a good TOC and compare it to
the bad TOC spec. It may look more like this: 

<$chapnum>  <$paratext>  <$pagenum>
(there are tabs in there, including a leader tab in front of <$pagenum>)

If that's the situation, try this: Copy all the text in the good TOC
specification and replace all the text in the bad TOC specification with
it. Then update/regenerate. 

If I'm completely off base regarding the situation or that doesn't solve
the problem, try spending some quality time in the "Tables of Contents"
section of the help/manual. Even if you can't figure it out, a better
understanding of TOCs in FM might help you describe the situation in
more detail. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

Art:

It's entirely possible that I screwed this up on my own (not that my LSP hasn't 
been known to make a mistake - this time I had to ask for 4 files to be 
regenerated as they were a mix of English and Spanish!). When I get a moment 
I'll delve into VSS to look at the original file they sent and check it out.

As I said to Richard, Rick Quattro figured this out for me so everything is now 
working as it should be.

Thanks for your input. The people on this list have been extremely helpful - I 
try and keep up with the topics every day and make sure to follow any thread 
that sheds light on issues that might affect me as well.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com

From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:33 AM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Problems Generating TOC on Newly Translated File

I'm on the same page as Richard on this, but with a couple of twists

The most important one would be HOW the translation vendor was able to generate 
any kind of TOC. Part of the deal is usually that you receive working files 
back from the vendor, and it certainly sounds as if you didn't. So that would 
be the big one. And one that may save you some time and money.

To fix it...
First, I'd make a copy of the unmodified translated directory.
Assuming they didn't rename any of your tags... I'd try importing formats and 
Ref pages from a working TOC into the faulty TOC and then update to see what 
you get. This is a version of what Richard suggested, but I'd try updating 
first to see if you can avoid the micro-level troubleshooting.

If that fails, I'd try setting up the translated content files in a new book, 
and generate a new TOC.

Art

Art Campbell
  art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Combs, Richard mailto:richard.combs at polycom.com>> wrote:
Alison Craig wrote:

> I received my translated book back from the LSP complete with TOC,
which
> seemed to be fine.
>
> After tweaking the formatting in 10 chapters and 7 Appendices, then
copying
> in the correct Variables file I tried to Update the TOC (and all
Numbering,
> Cross-references, Text Insets and OLE links).
Umm... should you really be doing this? I'm no expert on handling
translations (that's someone else's job), so maybe I'm off base. But
when we get translated books back, we generally make no changes to the
translated files (oh, occasionally there's a doc number to correct or
something like that), we just PDF them as is. (For Hebrew, the vendor
even supplies the PDF, since they have to port the RTL languages to
InDesign.)

> Instead of 6 pages of proper TOC it generated less than one page of
what
> seems to be page numbers only. I have consulted the Manual and
Scriptorium
> FrameMaker book to no avail.
In the bad TOC file, select View > Reference Pages. Find the TOC
specification -- it's in a text frame with the flow name "TOC," and it
contains paragraphs that have tag names like the headings included in
the TOC, but with a "TOC" suffix (e.g., "Heading1TOC"). It sounds like
each of those pgfs contains only the page number variable (<$pagenum>).

Now find the TOC spec in the ref pages of a good TOC and compare it to
the bad TOC spec. It may look more like this:

   <$chapnum>  <$paratext>  <$pagenum>
(there are tabs in there, including a leader tab in front of <$pagenum>)

If that's the situation, try this: Copy all the text in the good TOC
specification and replace all the text in the bad TOC specification with
it. Then update/regenerate.

If I'm completely off base regarding the situation or that doesn't solve
the problem, try spending some quality time in the "Tables of Contents"
section of the help/manual. Even if you can't figure it out, a better
understanding of TOCs in FM might help you describe the situation in
more detail.

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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custom text plugin wanted

Thanks Art, that looks useful indeed. I'll give it a try soon.

cheers,
Jakob.



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 15:11, Art Campbell  wrote:
> I think AutoText will do all, or most, of the stuff you want.
> http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
>
> Art Campbell
> ? ? ? ? ?art.campbell at gmail.com
> ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
> redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jakob Fix  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool
>> (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured).
>> One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the
>> possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and
>> associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they
>> accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets
>> and thus avoided speling errors.
>>
>> I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9. ?I have found
>> Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our
>> requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured,
>> text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root
>> element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar,
>> one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box.
>>
>> Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be
>> interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this
>> list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather
>> than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be:
>> - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text
>> (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in
>> FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as
>> context menu or modeless dialogue)
>> - store them persistently in between sessions
>> - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete
>> a button and its associated snippet)
>> - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons
>>
>> cheers,
>> Jakob.
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