RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame
to the size of your icon; additonally the anchoring position
is set to At Insertion Point). Press these keys one after
the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to
select the anchored frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
 To: Robert Lauriston
 Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

 I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

 The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
 well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
 Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre
 of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

 Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end
 user.

 -Original Message-
 From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On
 Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
 Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
 To: Alastair Dent
 Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

 Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're
 usually all in one directory.

 Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one
 frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them.
 Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap,
 select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

 I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a
 FrameScript macro.

 To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

 On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com
 wrote:
  I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
 buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from 
 the
 entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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Resizing main text frame, was: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Dave,

I also noticed that FrameMaker crashed sometimes when
I resize a frame down to the bottom. In my case it was the
main text frame on a body page. Windows 7 Enterprise,
FrameMaker 8, 10, 11.

I did not test yet, whether it happened less often when I drag the
frame slowly. I noticed it less often with FrameMaker 11 (now maybe
once a month). My assumption was that there are problems with
certain files. MIF washing did not help.

Best regards

Winfried

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:42 AM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; 'Lea Rush'
Subject: Re: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

Hi Lea and Rick

Does it depend on how quickly you drag the cursor across the text? I'm using 
Frame 8 on Win 7 and I've had a few crashes when resizing an anchored frame 
down the page. I can't prove it, but I feel it might be to do with how quickly 
I drag the frame handle. So, if I now have to make an anchored frame a lot 
bigger, and drag the handle a long way down the page, I do it slowly. Seems to 
have worked so far.

Cheers

Dave
Rick Quatro wrote, on 17/09/2013 11:41 a.m.:
Hi Lea,

I have seen the same behavior with FrameMaker 7.2 and 8 with Windows 7.

Rick

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Subject: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

Hi all,

I crossed my fingers that FM8 and Win8 would play together reasonably nicely. 
It's almost fine except for the above-referenced action: click-and-drag to 
highlight. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, FM freezes irreparably. 
I have to force it closed, and the autosave may or may not survive. Argh. I use 
click-and-drag much more often than I realized, and it's pretty much a 
dealbreaker.

I'm posting less asking for help and more as a warning for my fellow FM8 
holdouts. I suspect that I'm going to end up using Remote Desktop to run my 
Win7 machine on which FM8 worked fine. Do not go unto Win8.1 with old 
Framemaker; there be monsters.

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Re: Adobe PS driver vanished after Adobe failed Acrobat update

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Probably my first bad experience, but then I have avoided such duplicates
in my higher experience years of FM. ;-)

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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Alastair Dent wrote:
 
 I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
 
 The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
 well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
 Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre
 of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

I haven't followed this closely, but I think what you want is Robert's workflow 
without the pasting. Although selecting the frame and pasting should work (and 
IIRC it used to), pasting graphics into FM is generally a bad idea. Importing 
(whether by reference or by copying into the document) is much better. 

Assuming you've put all the icon files in a single graphics folder, importing 
is just as fast as copy/paste (maybe faster after the first one). 

1) Where you want to insert an icon, paste the properly sized/set anchored 
frame containing what Robert called the scratch icon bitmap. 

2) Click the scratch icon to select it (don't select the containing anchored 
frame) and press (in sequence) Escape f i f (file import file). 

3) Navigate to your graphics folder, select the icon file you want, and click 
Replace. 

4) In the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog, just click Set; since you're 
replacing an existing graphic, FM assumes you want the same sizing/scaling, and 
you do. 

The next time you do this, FM remembers the graphics folder location, so it 
goes quite quickly from then on. 

HTH!

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RE: Inserting Inline Graphics - and AutoText

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

We're  long-time users of the AutoText plugin and it has saved us countless 
hours and much aggravation.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
Comverse Inc
Wakefield, MA


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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:07 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
pretzel key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
You can try it out at no cost to see if it would help you with your issue.

Steve

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Inserting inline graphics

[steve]

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
pretzel key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
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mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Karen Robbins]

Hi framers,

How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
table?

After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was
checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a
paragraph tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication
now or ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the
current book for that format, and it was not found.

While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into
the mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is
new and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I
stop rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path?

Thanks,
Karen
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Re: Inserting Inline Graphics - and AutoText

[Dave Reynolds]

I would agree with Michael. We've used AutoText for years to insert 
anchored frames containing icons/small graphics - both in-line and in 
the margins. It has saved us a lot of time. It seems like the perfect 
solution for Alastair (the original poster).


I have mentioned AutoText to Alastairin a couple of personal emails, but 
I never got a response. Maybe my emails got lost, or filtered out as spam?


Cheers

Dave


O'Laoghaire Micheal wrote, on 18/09/2013 6:13 a.m.:

We're  long-time users of the AutoText plugin and it has saved us countless 
hours and much aggravation.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
Comverse Inc
Wakefield, MA


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
pretzel key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
You can try it out at no cost to see if it would help you with your issue.

Steve

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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Winfried, I could kiss you. 

That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; too 
fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the insertion 
point.

Do we have gold star awards for framers?

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
these keys one after the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
 To: Robert Lauriston
 Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

 I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

 The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
 doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
 doesn't replace it.
 Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
 centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

 Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
 the end user.

 -Original Message-
 From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] 
 On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
 Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
 To: Alastair Dent
 Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

 Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
 they're usually all in one directory.

 Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
 create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
 want them.
 Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
 bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

 I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
 a FrameScript macro.

 To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

 On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
 alastair.d...@imgtec.com
 wrote:
  I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
 buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
 icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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Word and Frame comparisons

[Theresa de Valence]

Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I 
have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word.


In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.

Can this be done in Word?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Robert Lauriston]

I think I recall copy and paste from Word doing that. If you reformat
then the tag will no longer exist in the catalog.

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 Hi framers,

 How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
 table?

 After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was
 checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph
 tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or
 ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current
 book for that format, and it was not found.
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Re: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Urszula Witherell]

Karen,

Does your file have text imported from Word or RTF? Depending on your import
options setup, Word styles come in as tags and they may be hiding in empty
paragraphs (spaces between paragraphs with FM tags) or as the very last tag
where end of the flow mark appears.

Do you use HTML Setup Utility? If so this is what updates your HTML Mapping
Table and automatically adds the new tags

This is where I would check first.

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On September 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM Karen Robbins karendes...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi framers,
 
  How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
 table?
 
  After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was checking
 the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph tag that
 is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or ever. That tag
 wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current book for that
 format, and it was not found.
  While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the
 mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new
 and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop
 rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path?
  Thanks,
  Karen
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RE: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Craig Ede]

Import the reference pages from your template to get rid of anything you
don't want there in a particular document.

 

Craig

 

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

 

Hi framers,

How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
table?

After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was
checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph
tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or
ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current
book for that format, and it was not found.

While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the
mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new
and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop
rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path?

Thanks,
Karen

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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Craig Ede]

Testimonial: Works like a charm! (I used it at a job some years back.)
Craig

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I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in


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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Fred Ridder]

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions. 

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder

 From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com
 To: wr...@tycoint.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
 
 Winfried, I could kiss you. 
 
 That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
 too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
 insertion point.
 
 Do we have gold star awards for framers?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
 Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
 
 Hi Alastair,
 
 I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
 Of course this depends always on your audience ...
 
 Why don't you do it this way?
 Copy the new icon.
 Place the cursor where you want it to have.
 Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
 Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
 icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
 these keys one after the other.
 
 If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
 frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
 Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
 Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
 
 Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
 After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
 
 Best regards
 
 Winfried
 
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  From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
  boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
  Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
  To: Robert Lauriston
  Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
 
  I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
 
  The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
  doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
  doesn't replace it.
  Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
  centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
 
  Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
  the end user.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] 
  On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
  Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
  To: Alastair Dent
  Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
 
  Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
  they're usually all in one directory.
 
  Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
  create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
  want them.
  Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
  bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
 
  I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
  a FrameScript macro.
 
  To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip 
  text.
 
  On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
  alastair.d...@imgtec.com
  wrote:
   I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
  buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
  icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job.
 
 
 
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RE: Word and Frame comparisons

[Fred Ridder]

The answer is yes and no.

*If* the paragraph has a specific style assigned to it, you can return the 
paragraph formatting to that of the defined style by pressing Ctrl+Q. And if 
you have the whole paragraph selected, you can return all the characters to the 
default formatting for the paragraph style by pressing Ctrl+Spacebar.

But if the document uses locally formatted Normal style, all you'll get by 
using these keystrokes is the equivalent of plain text.

-Fred Ridder

 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:04:25 -0500
 From: t...@bstw.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Word and Frame comparisons
 
 Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I 
 have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word.
 
 In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
 
 Can this be done in Word?
 
 Thanks,
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RE: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Combs, Richard]

Karen Robbins wrote: 
 
 How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
 table?
 After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was checking
 the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph tag that
 is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or ever. That tag
 wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current book for that
 format, and it was not found.
 While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the
 mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new
 and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop
 rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path?

Several list members have offered useful explanations/advice. I just want to 
point out that there's no use fretting about it in any case. :-) If that 
paragraph format isn't being used (there are no instances of it in the 
document), then the mapping table entry for it is never invoked and has no 
effect. All it does is add a (very) few bytes to the file size. :-)

Richard G. Combs
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Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

[Lea Rush]

Hi all,

I crossed my fingers that FM8 and Win8 would play together reasonably nicely. 
It's almost fine except for the above-referenced action: click-and-drag to 
highlight. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, FM freezes irreparably. 
I have to force it closed, and the autosave may or may not survive. Argh. I use 
click-and-drag much more often than I realized, and it's pretty much a 
dealbreaker.

I'm posting less asking for help and more as a warning for my fellow FM8 
holdouts. I suspect that I'm going to end up using Remote Desktop to run my 
Win7 machine on which FM8 worked fine. Do not go unto Win8.1 with old 
Framemaker; there be monsters.

Lea


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Inserting inline graphics

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame
to the size of your icon; additonally the anchoring position
is set to At Insertion Point). Press these keys one after
the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to
select the anchored frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre
> of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end
> user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're
> usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one
> frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them.
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap,
> select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a
> FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> wrote:
> > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from 
> the
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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Resizing main text frame, was: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Dave,

I also noticed that FrameMaker crashed sometimes when
I resize a frame down to the bottom. In my case it was the
main text frame on a body page. Windows 7 Enterprise,
FrameMaker 8, 10, 11.

I did not test yet, whether it happened less often when I drag the
frame slowly. I noticed it less often with FrameMaker 11 (now maybe
once a month). My assumption was that there are problems with
certain files. MIF washing did not help.

Best regards

Winfried

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:42 AM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; 'Lea Rush'
Subject: Re: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

Hi Lea and Rick

Does it depend on how quickly you drag the cursor across the text? I'm using 
Frame 8 on Win 7 and I've had a few crashes when resizing an anchored frame 
down the page. I can't prove it, but I feel it might be to do with how quickly 
I drag the frame handle. So, if I now have to make an anchored frame a lot 
bigger, and drag the handle a long way down the page, I do it slowly. Seems to 
have worked so far.

Cheers

Dave
Rick Quatro wrote, on 17/09/2013 11:41 a.m.:
Hi Lea,

I have seen the same behavior with FrameMaker 7.2 and 8 with Windows 7.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
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Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:25 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Framemaker 8, Windows 8.1 and click-and-drag

Hi all,

I crossed my fingers that FM8 and Win8 would play together reasonably nicely. 
It's almost fine except for the above-referenced action: click-and-drag to 
highlight. It doesn't always happen, but when it does, FM freezes irreparably. 
I have to force it closed, and the autosave may or may not survive. Argh. I use 
click-and-drag much more often than I realized, and it's pretty much a 
dealbreaker.

I'm posting less asking for help and more as a warning for my fellow FM8 
holdouts. I suspect that I'm going to end up using Remote Desktop to run my 
Win7 machine on which FM8 worked fine. Do not go unto Win8.1 with old 
Framemaker; there be monsters.

Lea



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Probably my first bad experience, but then I have avoided such duplicates
in my higher experience years of FM. ;-)

Brgds,
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Inserting inline graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Alastair Dent wrote:

> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> 
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre
> of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

I haven't followed this closely, but I think what you want is Robert's workflow 
without the pasting. Although selecting the frame and pasting should work (and 
IIRC it used to), pasting graphics into FM is generally a bad idea. Importing 
(whether by reference or by copying into the document) is much better. 

Assuming you've put all the icon files in a single graphics folder, importing 
is just as fast as copy/paste (maybe faster after the first one). 

1) Where you want to insert an icon, paste the properly sized/set anchored 
frame containing what Robert called the "scratch icon bitmap." 

2) Click the scratch icon to select it (don't select the containing anchored 
frame) and press (in sequence) Escape f i f ("file import file"). 

3) Navigate to your graphics folder, select the icon file you want, and click 
Replace. 

4) In the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog, just click Set; since you're 
replacing an existing graphic, FM assumes you want the same sizing/scaling, and 
you do. 

The next time you do this, FM remembers the graphics folder location, so it 
goes quite quickly from then on. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Karen Robbins]

Hi framers,

How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
table?

After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was
checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a
paragraph tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication
now or ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the
current book for that format, and it was not found.

While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into
the mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is
new and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I
stop rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path?

Thanks,
Karen
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Inserting inline graphics

[st...@siliconprairiesoftware.com]

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
"pretzel" key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
You can try it out at no cost to see if it would help you with your issue.

Steve

Inserting Inline Graphics - and AutoText

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

We're  long-time users of the AutoText plugin and it has saved us countless 
hours and much aggravation.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
Comverse Inc
Wakefield, MA


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lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of st...@siliconprairiesoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:07 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
"pretzel" key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
You can try it out at no cost to see if it would help you with your issue.

Steve

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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Winfried, I could kiss you. 

That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; too 
fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the insertion 
point.

Do we have gold star awards for framers?

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
these keys one after the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
> doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
> the end user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] 
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
> they're usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
> create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
> want them.
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
> bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
> a FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> 
> wrote:
> > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
> icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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Word and Frame comparisons

[Theresa de Valence]

Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I 
have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word.

In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.

Can this be done in Word?

Thanks,
Theresa

mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Robert Lauriston]

I think I recall copy and paste from Word doing that. If you reformat
then the tag will no longer exist in the catalog.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Karen Robbins  
wrote:
> Hi framers,
>
> How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
> table?
>
> After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was
> checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph
> tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or
> ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current
> book for that format, and it was not found.

mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Urszula Witherell]

Karen,

Does your file have text imported from Word or RTF? Depending on your import
options setup, Word styles come in as tags and they may be hiding in empty
paragraphs (spaces between paragraphs with FM tags) or as the very last tag
where end of the flow mark appears.

Do you use HTML Setup Utility? If so this is what updates your HTML Mapping
Table and automatically adds the new tags

This is where I would check first.

Urszula

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On September 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM Karen Robbins  wrote:

>  Hi framers,
> 
>  How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
> table?
> 
>  After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was checking
> the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph tag that
> is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or ever. That tag
> wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current book for that
> format, and it was not found.
>  While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the
> mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new
> and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop
> rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path?
>  Thanks,
>  Karen
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mapping table mystery--or is it misery?

[Craig Ede]

Import the reference pages from your template to get rid of anything you
don't want there in a particular document.



Craig



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: mapping table mystery--or is it misery?



Hi framers,

How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
table?

After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was
checking the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph
tag that is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or
ever. That tag wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current
book for that format, and it was not found.

While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the
mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new
and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop
rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path?

Thanks,
Karen

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Inserting inline graphics

[Craig Ede]

Testimonial: Works like a charm! (I used it at a job some years back.)
Craig

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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:07 PM
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Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in

Inserting inline graphics

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[Fred Ridder]

The answer is yes and no.

*If* the paragraph has a specific style assigned to it, you can return the 
paragraph formatting to that of the defined style by pressing Ctrl+Q. And if 
you have the whole paragraph selected, you can return all the characters to the 
default formatting for the paragraph style by pressing Ctrl+Spacebar.

But if the document uses locally formatted Normal style, all you'll get by 
using these keystrokes is the equivalent of plain text.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:04:25 -0500
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> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... I 
> have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with MS Word.
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> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
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> Can this be done in Word?
> 
> Thanks,
> Theresa
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[Combs, Richard]

Karen Robbins wrote: 

> How can a paragraph tag that doesn't exist get into the book HTML mapping
> table?
> After revising an existing book and preparing for HTML output, I was checking
> the book HTML mapping table when I noticed an entry for a paragraph tag that
> is completely alien to anything used by our publication now or ever. That tag
> wasn't in last year's mapping table. I searched the current book for that
> format, and it was not found.
> While other obsolete/ghost paragraph tags repeatedly make their way into the
> mapping table, I'm not so concerned with those as with this one that is new
> and radically different. Where could it have come from, and how can I stop
> rogue formats from creeping into my documents through this path?

Several list members have offered useful explanations/advice. I just want to 
point out that there's no use fretting about it in any case. :-) If that 
paragraph format isn't being used (there are no instances of it in the 
document), then the mapping table entry for it is never invoked and has no 
effect. All it does is add a (very) few bytes to the file size. :-)

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