Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

Sorry, if I said that I mis-spoke. When highlighting the character that 
does not display correctly, CTRL-D shows the family to be ZapfDingbats. 
I eventually realized that does not mean the font is actually installed.


I no longer have anything but 8 and 12 installed on this computer. Frame 
7.2 CD did not have Adobe Type Manager.


On 6/30/2016 6:22 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

You said that you have FM8 and FM12 on the same system, and that the
font displays correctly in FM8. If both those are true, the font is
installed in Windows, and the problem is that something's different
FM12.

In FrameMaker 6, the file for ZapfDingbats was in C:\Program
Files\Adobe\Acrobat 4.0\Resource\Font\Zd__.pfb. I believe in FM72
it was in a similar location. I believe you could re-install by
following the instructions at:

http://www.adobe.com/products/type/install-instructions.html

That would fix things if the problem is a corrupt font. If the problem
is bad font mapping, you need to edit the FM12 maker.ini.
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Robert Lauriston]

You said that you have FM8 and FM12 on the same system, and that the
font displays correctly in FM8. If both those are true, the font is
installed in Windows, and the problem is that something's different
FM12.

In FrameMaker 6, the file for ZapfDingbats was in C:\Program
Files\Adobe\Acrobat 4.0\Resource\Font\Zd__.pfb. I believe in FM72
it was in a similar location. I believe you could re-install by
following the instructions at:

http://www.adobe.com/products/type/install-instructions.html

That would fix things if the problem is a corrupt font. If the problem
is bad font mapping, you need to edit the FM12 maker.ini.
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Robert Lauriston]

The font must be installed since it appears in FM8. The question is
why it's not appearing in FM12 on the same system.

The Type 1 font files are Zd__.pfb and Zd__.pfm.

Later versions of FrameMaker have a tendency to create multiple copies
of maker.ini. Usually the one with the most recent file date is the
current one.

PPD files are printer drivers.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
> I found Frame 7.2 and Webworks 3 and Creative Suite 3. The install disk has
> \EXTRAS\PPDS\
> ADLDF7.PPD
> ADPDF7CS.PPD
> AND \FM\DISTILLR\ENU
>
> I'm not clear about comparing the .ini files. Would Frame use only the
> latest maker.ini file?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 4:18 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>>
>> The fonts would have been installed with FrameMaker 7 or earlier, or
>> another Adobe program from the pre-Unicode era, such as Illustrator 7.
>>
>> If the font were not installed, you would not see it on screen in FM8,
>> so that's not the problem.
>>
>> Compare the maker.ini files, as I described before.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. I just found the Frame 8 CD and put in Disk 1 and chose the only
>>> thing
>>> that looked likely which was Autoplay.exe. It started the install shield
>>> wizard which gave me a beep and said Frame 8 was already installed on
>>> this
>>> system.
>>>
>>> How do I choose to install fonts only? (I can't see anything that looks
>>> like
>>> fonts on either CD)
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2016 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:


 If you see the font on screen in FM8, and it prints correctly, then I
 think it must be installed.

 If it's the old PostScript font, check that both the .pfm and .pfb
 files are installed.

 Close FM12, compare the maker.ini for FM8 and FM12, make a backup copy
 of the one for FM12, edit the original in a text editor, and make any
 entries re ZapfDingbats match FM8. Or delete any references to
 ZapfDingbats in FM12 if there are none in FM8. Note that FM may create
 multiple copies of maker.ini and use only one of them.

 On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Theresa de Valence 
 wrote:
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?
>
>
>
>
> Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font
> is
> Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.
>
> But I've moved since I got that CD!
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Robert Lauriston]

Then it's probably a PostScript Type 1 font somewhere else on your
system. Search for Zd__.pfb or Zd__.pfm. The Adobe Type
Manager default location used to be c:\psfonts\pfm. They could also be
in a Font directory under an Adobe application directory in Program
Files.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
> No, my fonts folder has no Zapfdingbats.
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 4:42 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>>
>> Compare the maker.ini files, as I described before. That's probably
>> where the problem is.
>>
>> If the font were not installed, you would not see it on screen in FM8,
>> so that's not the problem.
>>
>> Is there a Zapf Dingbats file in your \Windows\Fonts folder? If so,
>> right-click on it. What does it show for "Type of file"?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. I just found the Frame 8 CD and put in Disk 1 and chose the only
>>> thing
>>> that looked likely which was Autoplay.exe. It started the install shield
>>> wizard which gave me a beep and said Frame 8 was already installed on
>>> this
>>> system.
>>>
>>> How do I choose to install fonts only? (I can't see anything that looks
>>> like
>>> fonts on either CD)
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2016 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:


 If you see the font on screen in FM8, and it prints correctly, then I
 think it must be installed.

 If it's the old PostScript font, check that both the .pfm and .pfb
 files are installed.

 Close FM12, compare the maker.ini for FM8 and FM12, make a backup copy
 of the one for FM12, edit the original in a text editor, and make any
 entries re ZapfDingbats match FM8. Or delete any references to
 ZapfDingbats in FM12 if there are none in FM8. Note that FM may create
 multiple copies of maker.ini and use only one of them.

 On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Theresa de Valence 
 wrote:
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?
>
>
>
>
> Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font
> is
> Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.
>
> But I've moved since I got that CD!
>
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

No, my fonts folder has no Zapfdingbats.

On 6/30/2016 4:42 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Compare the maker.ini files, as I described before. That's probably
where the problem is.

If the font were not installed, you would not see it on screen in FM8,
so that's not the problem.

Is there a Zapf Dingbats file in your \Windows\Fonts folder? If so,
right-click on it. What does it show for "Type of file"?

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:

Hmmm. I just found the Frame 8 CD and put in Disk 1 and chose the only thing
that looked likely which was Autoplay.exe. It started the install shield
wizard which gave me a beep and said Frame 8 was already installed on this
system.

How do I choose to install fonts only? (I can't see anything that looks like
fonts on either CD)

Thanks.


On 6/30/2016 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:


If you see the font on screen in FM8, and it prints correctly, then I
think it must be installed.

If it's the old PostScript font, check that both the .pfm and .pfb
files are installed.

Close FM12, compare the maker.ini for FM8 and FM12, make a backup copy
of the one for FM12, edit the original in a text editor, and make any
entries re ZapfDingbats match FM8. Or delete any references to
ZapfDingbats in FM12 if there are none in FM8. Note that FM may create
multiple copies of maker.ini and use only one of them.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:


On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:



Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?




Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font
is
Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.

But I've moved since I got that CD!


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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Robert Lauriston]

Compare the maker.ini files, as I described before. That's probably
where the problem is.

If the font were not installed, you would not see it on screen in FM8,
so that's not the problem.

Is there a Zapf Dingbats file in your \Windows\Fonts folder? If so,
right-click on it. What does it show for "Type of file"?

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
> Hmmm. I just found the Frame 8 CD and put in Disk 1 and chose the only thing
> that looked likely which was Autoplay.exe. It started the install shield
> wizard which gave me a beep and said Frame 8 was already installed on this
> system.
>
> How do I choose to install fonts only? (I can't see anything that looks like
> fonts on either CD)
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>>
>> If you see the font on screen in FM8, and it prints correctly, then I
>> think it must be installed.
>>
>> If it's the old PostScript font, check that both the .pfm and .pfb
>> files are installed.
>>
>> Close FM12, compare the maker.ini for FM8 and FM12, make a backup copy
>> of the one for FM12, edit the original in a text editor, and make any
>> entries re ZapfDingbats match FM8. Or delete any references to
>> ZapfDingbats in FM12 if there are none in FM8. Note that FM may create
>> multiple copies of maker.ini and use only one of them.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:


 Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font
>>> is
>>> Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.
>>>
>>> But I've moved since I got that CD!
>>>
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Robert Lauriston]

PostScript printers with resident fonts were standard in the Mac world
but never caught on in the PC / Windows market.

Windows versions of FrameMaker 7 and earlier came with Adobe Type
Manager and the standard set of files including ZapfDingbats.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
> But it says here that if you *know* a given font is going to be resident in 
> the printer you print the PDF from, you don't need to embed it in the PDF and 
> download it to the printer as part of the print job. Of course, what that 
> means for reading the PDF on-screen on a system that doesn't have the font at 
> all is anybody's guess...
>
>
> -FR
>
>
> 
> From: Framers  on 
> behalf of Craig Ede 
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:58 PM
> To: framers
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats
>
> Since it is not built into the Adobe PDF printer, I'd say the reason for THAT 
> was licensing fees.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> 
> From: Fred Ridder 
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: Craig Ede; framers
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats
>
>
> Many people would argue with the reason you give for the "Base 14" PostScript 
> fonts not being bundled with applications after a certain time. The official 
> reason given by most software publishers was that the PostScript outline and 
> metrics files were required to be built into all PostScript compatible 
> printers as printer-resident fonts. This was not done in the early days of 
> PostScript printers because the cost of non-volatile storage (e.g., EPROM) 
> was not trivial. Once the "real" font files were ubiquitously printer 
> resident, there was no need to distribute them in "soft" form with 
> applications since there was no need to download them to the printer with 
> each print job. Instead, it was only necessary to distribute simplified 
> versions of the fonts to provide on-screen display and the font metric 
> information needed on Windows systems for the printer driver to calculate 
> line lengths for text wrapping. Of course, the whole landscape changed with 
> the adoption of Unicode, but th
 at
>  's another story.
>
>
> BTW, the "14" in "Base 14" refers to four variants (normal, bold, italic, and 
> bold italic) of Times, Helvetica, and Courier plus the Symbol and Zapf 
> Dingbats fonts.
>
>
> -FR
>
>
> 
> From: Framers  on 
> behalf of Craig Ede 
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:25 AM
> To: framers
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats
>
> Use unicode fonts; most modern fonts are unicode. A lot of glyphs are now 
> available in standard fonts that weren't in thefonts before.
>
>
> Also, purchasing Zapf Dingbats can't be that expensive. I found a copy of the 
> Helvetica, Times and Zapf Dingbat fonts that Adobe no longer includes with 
> FrameMaker in an old copy of Illustrator or Pagemaker that I had.  I ran the 
> installer and just chose to use those fonts. These fonts are likely to not 
> include glyphs in the more modern versions of the same fonts.
>
>
> The reason those fonts are no longer included is that they are not Adobe 
> fonts and had to be licensed from somebody else.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> 
> From: Framers  on 
> behalf of Theresa de Valence 
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:16 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats
>
> I've opened a (very) old document which uses Zapf Dingbats which are not
> on my current system. The document prints correctly from Frame 12, but
> the screen display is gobbledygook.
>
> What do people use for these fonts nowadays?
>
> Thanks,
> Theresa
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

Hmmm. I just found the Frame 8 CD and put in Disk 1 and chose the only 
thing that looked likely which was Autoplay.exe. It started the install 
shield wizard which gave me a beep and said Frame 8 was already 
installed on this system.


How do I choose to install fonts only? (I can't see anything that looks 
like fonts on either CD)


Thanks.

On 6/30/2016 3:41 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

If you see the font on screen in FM8, and it prints correctly, then I
think it must be installed.

If it's the old PostScript font, check that both the .pfm and .pfb
files are installed.

Close FM12, compare the maker.ini for FM8 and FM12, make a backup copy
of the one for FM12, edit the original in a text editor, and make any
entries re ZapfDingbats match FM8. Or delete any references to
ZapfDingbats in FM12 if there are none in FM8. Note that FM may create
multiple copies of maker.ini and use only one of them.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:

On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:


Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?



Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font is
Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.

But I've moved since I got that CD!

Thanks.


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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Fred Ridder]

Right. I believe that the Character Designer is designed to list fonts that are 
specified in your document even if they are not installed on your system. There 
used to be (and may still be--I haven't looked lately) a couple of options for 
whether Frame remembers the names of missing fonts, and it's possible those 
options (if they still exist) interact with what is shown in the Character 
Designer's list of fonts.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Theresa de Valence 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:32 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?

Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font
is Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.

But I've moved since I got that CD!

Thanks.

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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Fred Ridder]

But it says here that if you *know* a given font is going to be resident in the 
printer you print the PDF from, you don't need to embed it in the PDF and 
download it to the printer as part of the print job. Of course, what that means 
for reading the PDF on-screen on a system that doesn't have the font at all is 
anybody's guess...


-FR



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Craig Ede 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:58 PM
To: framers
Subject: Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

Since it is not built into the Adobe PDF printer, I'd say the reason for THAT 
was licensing fees.


Craig



From: Fred Ridder 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:45 AM
To: Craig Ede; framers
Subject: Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats


Many people would argue with the reason you give for the "Base 14" PostScript 
fonts not being bundled with applications after a certain time. The official 
reason given by most software publishers was that the PostScript outline and 
metrics files were required to be built into all PostScript compatible printers 
as printer-resident fonts. This was not done in the early days of PostScript 
printers because the cost of non-volatile storage (e.g., EPROM) was not 
trivial. Once the "real" font files were ubiquitously printer resident, there 
was no need to distribute them in "soft" form with applications since there was 
no need to download them to the printer with each print job. Instead, it was 
only necessary to distribute simplified versions of the fonts to provide 
on-screen display and the font metric information needed on Windows systems for 
the printer driver to calculate line lengths for text wrapping. Of course, the 
whole landscape changed with the adoption of Unicode, but that
 's another story.


BTW, the "14" in "Base 14" refers to four variants (normal, bold, italic, and 
bold italic) of Times, Helvetica, and Courier plus the Symbol and Zapf Dingbats 
fonts.


-FR



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Craig Ede 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:25 AM
To: framers
Subject: Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

Use unicode fonts; most modern fonts are unicode. A lot of glyphs are now 
available in standard fonts that weren't in thefonts before.


Also, purchasing Zapf Dingbats can't be that expensive. I found a copy of the 
Helvetica, Times and Zapf Dingbat fonts that Adobe no longer includes with 
FrameMaker in an old copy of Illustrator or Pagemaker that I had.  I ran the 
installer and just chose to use those fonts. These fonts are likely to not 
include glyphs in the more modern versions of the same fonts.


The reason those fonts are no longer included is that they are not Adobe fonts 
and had to be licensed from somebody else.


Craig



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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:16 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

I've opened a (very) old document which uses Zapf Dingbats which are not
on my current system. The document prints correctly from Frame 12, but
the screen display is gobbledygook.

What do people use for these fonts nowadays?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Robert Lauriston]

If you see the font on screen in FM8, and it prints correctly, then I
think it must be installed.

If it's the old PostScript font, check that both the .pfm and .pfb
files are installed.

Close FM12, compare the maker.ini for FM8 and FM12, make a backup copy
of the one for FM12, edit the original in a text editor, and make any
entries re ZapfDingbats match FM8. Or delete any references to
ZapfDingbats in FM12 if there are none in FM8. Note that FM may create
multiple copies of maker.ini and use only one of them.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
> On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
>>
>> Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?
>
>
> Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font is
> Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.
>
> But I've moved since I got that CD!
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

On 6/30/2016 1:52 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?


Yes, but I was looking at the Character Designer and it "says" the font 
is Dingbats. I realize now that it doesn't mean Dingbats is installed.


But I've moved since I got that CD!

Thanks.

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Re: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)

[Lin Sims]

I know the old escape shortcuts for moving up and down in a table broke;
however, Frame now lets you use cursors to move from row to row or column
to column.

I've also noticed that sometimes, shortcuts that have BEEN working will
suddenly stop working, and you have to restart the program to get them
back. I tend to notice on things like the Copy special - Column Width
shortcut.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Some of the shortcuts stopped working in FM9 and to my knowledge some
> of those bugs were never fixed.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Peter Gold 
> wrote:
> > Thanks for the useful follow-up, David.
> >
> > I don't have the link to the complete list of FrameMaker keyboard
> shortcuts
> > handy, but perhaps you or someone else on the list has it and can post
> it
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Re: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)

[Robert Lauriston]

Some of the shortcuts stopped working in FM9 and to my knowledge some
of those bugs were never fixed.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Thanks for the useful follow-up, David.
>
> I don't have the link to the complete list of FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts
> handy, but perhaps you or someone else on the list has it and can post it
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Robert Lauriston]

Are FM8 and FM12 on the same system?

Which Windows version(s)?

Are you printing to a PostScript printer, if so which one and what
driver are you using?

The Unicode version of ZapfDingbats won't solve this problem since the
character map is different. Adobe Pi does not have the same set of
glyphs.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
> I've opened a (very) old document which uses Zapf Dingbats which are not on
> my current system. The document prints correctly from Frame 12, but the
> screen display is gobbledygook.
>
> What do people use for these fonts nowadays?
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Re: [Framers] Access to Acrobat Help after End of Life support?

[Lin Sims]

Many thanks to all for the speedy response.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Laura Phillips  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Having recently spent a bit of time on the community forums for FrameMaker
> and wasn’t that fun, I noticed that Adobe does have links to earlier
> versions of Help files. You might try here -
> https://forums.adobe.com/community/acrobat, selecting a topic, and then
> look for the links to older versions of Acrobat.
>
> Laura
>
> > On Jun 30, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >
> > I just tried to use Help in my Acrobat 10 program. Instead of taking me
> to
> > the (online-only, and wasn't THAT a *fine *design decision) help files, I
> > was taken to an End of Support page.
> >
> > Which is fine, I'm not actually looking for technical support from
> Adobe. I
> > just want to look something up in the Help files. How?
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Re: [Framers] Access to Acrobat Help after End of Life support?

[Penelope Perkins]

Lin, 

The PDF may have been installed with the software; you just have to hunt around 
in the Adobe folders on your machine for it. If not, you can download it from a 
number of places other than Adobe. For example, you can find it here:

http://www.mvc.edu/files/acrobat_X_pro_help.pdf

I can sympathize. Something similar happened to me the other day when I was 
trying to research an error in Windows Update 
on my Windows 7 machine. Every link that Google gave me to the Microsoft 
website brought up a page about the impending end of free upgrades to Windows 
10. (Implying, perhaps, that upgrading was the way to resolve the error?) 
Fortunately, I was able to find the answer in a non-Microsoft user forum.

Regards,
Penelope

=
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Synergex International Corp
Sacramento, California


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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:30 AM
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Subject: [Framers] Access to Acrobat Help after End of Life support?

I just tried to use Help in my Acrobat 10 program. Instead of taking me to
the (online-only, and wasn't THAT a *fine *design decision) help files, I
was taken to an End of Support page.

Which is fine, I'm not actually looking for technical support from Adobe. I
just want to look something up in the Help files. How?

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[Framers] Access to Acrobat Help after End of Life support?

[Lin Sims]

I just tried to use Help in my Acrobat 10 program. Instead of taking me to
the (online-only, and wasn't THAT a *fine *design decision) help files, I
was taken to an End of Support page.

Which is fine, I'm not actually looking for technical support from Adobe. I
just want to look something up in the Help files. How?

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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Mike Wickham]

I've heard recommendations to use Adobe Pi as a replacement.

The document may be printing fine because of printer-resident versions 
of Zapf Dingbats on a Postscript printer. If you have a Postscript 
printer, and still have the installation disk, it probably has a copy of 
Zapf Dingbats that you can easily install on your computer to make the 
font available to all programs.


Mike Wickham

On 6/30/2016 10:16 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
I've opened a (very) old document which uses Zapf Dingbats which are 
not on my current system. The document prints correctly from Frame 12, 
but the screen display is gobbledygook.


What do people use for these fonts nowadays?

Thanks,
Theresa



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Re: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)

[Peter Gold]

Once, again, thanks, David!

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:19 AM, David Creamer <
ideasli...@ideastraining.com> wrote:

> http://www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/Frame_KBcommands.pdf
>
>
>
> This is not all of them, but includes some of the more useful.
>
>
>
> David Creamer
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

I have Zapf Dingbats available in my Frame 8 installation. How do I get 
them to Frame 12?


Thanks,
Theresa

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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Fred Ridder]

Many people would argue with the reason you give for the "Base 14" PostScript 
fonts not being bundled with applications after a certain time. The official 
reason given by most software publishers was that the PostScript outline and 
metrics files were required to be built into all PostScript compatible printers 
as printer-resident fonts. This was not done in the early days of PostScript 
printers because the cost of non-volatile storage (e.g., EPROM) was not 
trivial. Once the "real" font files were ubiquitously printer resident, there 
was no need to distribute them in "soft" form with applications since there was 
no need to download them to the printer with each print job. Instead, it was 
only necessary to distribute simplified versions of the fonts to provide 
on-screen display and the font metric information needed on Windows systems for 
the printer driver to calculate line lengths for text wrapping. Of course, the 
whole landscape changed with the adoption of Unicode, but that
 's another story.


BTW, the "14" in "Base 14" refers to four variants (normal, bold, italic, and 
bold italic) of Times, Helvetica, and Courier plus the Symbol and Zapf Dingbats 
fonts.


-FR



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Craig Ede 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:25 AM
To: framers
Subject: Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

Use unicode fonts; most modern fonts are unicode. A lot of glyphs are now 
available in standard fonts that weren't in thefonts before.


Also, purchasing Zapf Dingbats can't be that expensive. I found a copy of the 
Helvetica, Times and Zapf Dingbat fonts that Adobe no longer includes with 
FrameMaker in an old copy of Illustrator or Pagemaker that I had.  I ran the 
installer and just chose to use those fonts. These fonts are likely to not 
include glyphs in the more modern versions of the same fonts.


The reason those fonts are no longer included is that they are not Adobe fonts 
and had to be licensed from somebody else.


Craig



From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:16 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

I've opened a (very) old document which uses Zapf Dingbats which are not
on my current system. The document prints correctly from Frame 12, but
the screen display is gobbledygook.

What do people use for these fonts nowadays?

Thanks,
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Re: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Craig Ede]

Use unicode fonts; most modern fonts are unicode. A lot of glyphs are now 
available in standard fonts that weren't in thefonts before.


Also, purchasing Zapf Dingbats can't be that expensive. I found a copy of the 
Helvetica, Times and Zapf Dingbat fonts that Adobe no longer includes with 
FrameMaker in an old copy of Illustrator or Pagemaker that I had.  I ran the 
installer and just chose to use those fonts. These fonts are likely to not 
include glyphs in the more modern versions of the same fonts.


The reason those fonts are no longer included is that they are not Adobe fonts 
and had to be licensed from somebody else.


Craig



From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:16 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Zapf Dingbats

I've opened a (very) old document which uses Zapf Dingbats which are not
on my current system. The document prints correctly from Frame 12, but
the screen display is gobbledygook.

What do people use for these fonts nowadays?

Thanks,
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[Framers] Zapf Dingbats

[Theresa de Valence]

I've opened a (very) old document which uses Zapf Dingbats which are not 
on my current system. The document prints correctly from Frame 12, but 
the screen display is gobbledygook.


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Re: [Framers] Seeking FM12 license -- legit, of course 8-)

[Craig Ede]

An interesting aspect of Creative Cloud is the ability to retain older versions 
when updates occur. (I assume this is still true.) It seems to me that a great 
way to "sell" the subscription version of FM (or better yet, Creative Suite) 
would be to allow installation of whatever older versions you might want. Of 
course, this would really load down a single machine with software versions 
since they would have to limit the installation to a single machine. But it 
would solve the problem for a lot of users who don't really want to upgrade, 
but need compatibility between two machines at some level below the current 
version.


The other "sell" would be that it would give users access to the latest version 
(not a trial) and they could really explore the new features as well as use the 
older version in the "retro" environment they desire. There really is a lot of 
good stuff in the current version.


Craig



From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:17 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Seeking FM12 license -- legit, of course 8-)

Was your company part of the Volume Licensing program? You may be able to 
purchase older versions through it...

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
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Sent: June-14-16 12:04 PM
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Subject: [Framers] Seeking FM12 license -- legit, of course 8-)

I'm currently running FM10 but need to be compatible with a colleague running 
FM12. Does anyone have or know of one available? Checked ebay and Amazon, but 
no luck.

Many thanks,

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Re: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)

[David Creamer]

http://www.ideastraining.com/PDFs/Frame_KBcommands.pdf

 

This is not all of them, but includes some of the more useful.

 

David Creamer

IDEAS Training

 

 

 

From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:01 AM
To: David Creamer ; Monique Semp 

Cc: Framers (E-mail) 
Subject: Re: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)

 

Thanks for the useful follow-up, David. 

 

I don't have the link to the complete list of FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts 
handy, but perhaps you or someone else on the list has it and can post it. 
IIRC, there are also some of KB commands that aren't documented, or that were 
dropped in later compilations of the list, but still may work. 

 

One that comes to mind is Freeze Pagination, Esc p Z I think it was, which 
disconnected all the connected text frames in a document, for the purpose of 
being able to insert supplementary or change pages, without affecting 
pagination. Its downside was disrupting lots of other stuff in the doc.

 

 

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:23 AM, David Creamer  > wrote:

The Shift key short cut works with books and even if you have multiple
(non-book) documents open.
Keyboard shortcut: Esc f S (Think file menu>Save)

After saving all open files, you can then close all files using the same
Shift key technique.
Keyboard shortcut: Esc f C

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Re: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)

[Peter Gold]

Thanks for the useful follow-up, David.

I don't have the link to the complete list of FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts
handy, but perhaps you or someone else on the list has it and can post it.
IIRC, there are also some of KB commands that aren't documented, or that
were dropped in later compilations of the list, but still may work.

One that comes to mind is Freeze Pagination, Esc p Z I think it was, which
disconnected all the connected text frames in a document, for the purpose
of being able to insert supplementary or change pages, without affecting
pagination. Its downside was disrupting lots of other stuff in the doc.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:23 AM, David Creamer  wrote:

> The Shift key short cut works with books and even if you have multiple
> (non-book) documents open.
> Keyboard shortcut: Esc f S (Think file menu>Save)
>
> After saving all open files, you can then close all files using the same
> Shift key technique.
> Keyboard shortcut: Esc f C
>
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Re: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)

[David Creamer]

The Shift key short cut works with books and even if you have multiple
(non-book) documents open. 
Keyboard shortcut: Esc f S (Think file menu>Save)

After saving all open files, you can then close all files using the same
Shift key technique.
Keyboard shortcut: Esc f C

David Creamer
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Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 14:40:45 -0700
From: "Monique Semp" 
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Subject: [Framers] tip - Save All Files (in a .book)
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Hello, Framers,

I?m sure that most of you know this already, but I?m also sure that I can?t
be the only one who didn?t know :-)...

Turns out that there *is* a way to Save All Files in a .book. With the .book
file the active window/pane/pod/whatever-you-call-it, hold the Shift key
when you click the menu option, File. (I found this by googling,
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/768022).

Just a tip in case someone else has been wishing to do this (without closing
FrameMaker, which does ask which unsaved files you want to save), -Monique

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