FrameScript Menus in FM8
Hello Fellow FrameManiacs, Can anyone tell me how to add the FrameScript menus to FM8 automatically? The FrameScript menu loads but we have load the CreatedScripts menu manually. Thanx, DJ NG Corp ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameScript Menus in FM8
Hello Fellow FrameManiacs, Can anyone tell me how to add the FrameScript menus to FM8 automatically? The "FrameScript" menu loads but we have load the CreatedScripts menu manually. Thanx, DJ NG Corp
RE: Off topic - three general documentation questions
Put a logo (or message) on blank pages to show that they are not blank in error. This is an accepted standard across most of the DoD landscape. The phrase This page left intentionally blank is used. Regards, DJ -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Saunders, Ian Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:45 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Off topic - three general documentation questions Please forgive this off-topic query, but I have nowhere else to turn for help. My team are reviewing the Frame templates we use for producing PDF files. It has been suggested that we: * Do not use chapter numbers/appendix letters * Begin main index entries with a capital letter * Put a logo (or message) on blank pages to show that they are not blank in error. We have reached an impasse... I would be extremely grateful to anyone who can supply their take on the relevant industry standards or maybe even point me at a definitive statement. Many thanks! Ian Saunders Syntellect Inc ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as darren.butler@robins.af.mil. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Book Files import in random order
Ok, thanx. I usually don't import large numbers of files at one time so I guess I've never noticed this before. I could understand if it was in complete reverse order, but reversing the order except for the last in the series is quite curious. In any case I'm sure all this will be fixed in Windows 7. ;^) Thanx again, DJ -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:16 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Book Files import in random order Butler,Darren wrote: When importing a group of several doc files into a book , the order of the files is jumbled: Ex: Section 2-3 Section 2-4 Section 2-5 Section 2-6 Section 2-7 Section 2-8 Section 2-9 Section 2-10 -imports like this- Section 2-9 Section 2-8 Section 2-7 Section 2-6 Section 2-5 Section 2-4 Section 2-3 Section 2-10 Huh?!! Well, it's not jumbled. They're imported in reverse order of selection, except for the last one. It's a Windows thing (the OS supplies the Add File dialog), and it's been that way forever. Select from last to first, and you'll only have to move one file. :-) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Book Files import in random order
Yves, Eureka! That worked fine! As far as the file names, those are out of our hands. 8^( Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:29 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Book Files import in random order Hi Darren It depends on how you add the files to your book and where you put your mouse pointer to drag the files into your book. Try the following: 1. Arrange Windows Explorer and FrameMaker side by side (tile vertically). 2. In Windows Explorer, select all the files which you wish to add to the book and put your mouse pointer on section 2-3. 3. Drag all the files into your FM book. The order of the files should now be correct. If you had put your mouse pointer on section 2-7, for example, you will see that section 2-7 will appear as the first file in your FM book. P.S.: I don't know whether Section 2-3 is also the name of your FM file. I always advise my students against doing this because you may want to rearrange the files in your book later, or reuse them in other books, and you can use $volnum and $chapnum for that. Cheers -- Yves Barbion • Managing Director • Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu • skype: yves.barbion • T: +32 494 12 01 89 On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC darren.butler@robins.af.mil wrote: Fellow FrameManiacs, When importing a group of several doc files into a book , the order of the files is jumbled: Ex: Section 2-3 Section 2-4 Section 2-5 Section 2-6 Section 2-7 Section 2-8 Section 2-9 Section 2-10 -imports like this- Section 2-9 Section 2-8 Section 2-7 Section 2-6 Section 2-5 Section 2-4 Section 2-3 Section 2-10 Huh?!! -Darren ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Book Files import in random order
Fellow FrameManiacs, When importing a group of several doc files into a book , the order of the files is jumbled: Ex: Section 2-3 Section 2-4 Section 2-5 Section 2-6 Section 2-7 Section 2-8 Section 2-9 Section 2-10 -imports like this- Section 2-9 Section 2-8 Section 2-7 Section 2-6 Section 2-5 Section 2-4 Section 2-3 Section 2-10 Huh?!! -Darren
Book Files import in random order
Ok, thanx. I usually don't import large numbers of files at one time so I guess I've never noticed this before. I could understand if it was in complete reverse order, but reversing the order except for the last in the series is quite curious. In any case I'm sure all this will be fixed in Windows 7. ;^) Thanx again, DJ -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:16 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Book Files import in random order Butler,Darren wrote: > When importing a group of several doc files into a book , the order of > the files is jumbled: > > Ex: > > Section 2-3 > Section 2-4 > Section 2-5 > Section 2-6 > Section 2-7 > Section 2-8 > Section 2-9 > Section 2-10 > > -imports like this- > > Section 2-9 > Section 2-8 > Section 2-7 > Section 2-6 > Section 2-5 > Section 2-4 > Section 2-3 > Section 2-10 > > > > Huh?!! Well, it's not jumbled. They're imported in reverse order of selection, except for the last one. It's a Windows thing (the OS supplies the Add File dialog), and it's been that way forever. Select from last to first, and you'll only have to move one file. :-) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Book Files import in random order
Yves, Eureka! That worked fine! As far as the file names, those are out of our hands. 8^( Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:29 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Book Files import in random order Hi Darren It depends on how you add the files to your book and where you put your mouse pointer to drag the files into your book. Try the following: 1. Arrange Windows Explorer and FrameMaker side by side (tile vertically). 2. In Windows Explorer, select all the files which you wish to add to the book and put your mouse pointer on section 2-3. 3. Drag all the files into your FM book. The order of the files should now be correct. If you had put your mouse pointer on section 2-7, for example, you will see that section 2-7 will appear as the first file in your FM book. P.S.: I don't know whether "Section 2-3" is also the name of your FM file. I always advise my students against doing this because you may want to rearrange the files in your book later, or reuse them in other books, and you can use <$volnum> and <$chapnum> for that. Cheers -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89 On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC wrote: Fellow FrameManiacs, When importing a group of several doc files into a book , the order of the files is jumbled: Ex: Section 2-3 Section 2-4 Section 2-5 Section 2-6 Section 2-7 Section 2-8 Section 2-9 Section 2-10 -imports like this- Section 2-9 Section 2-8 Section 2-7 Section 2-6 Section 2-5 Section 2-4 Section 2-3 Section 2-10 Huh?!! -Darren ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
non-Adobe *.pdf
Hello FrameManiacs, Would anyone who is generating *.pdf files outside of the Adobe Acrobat world please share what application you use and and pros-n-cons ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
non-Adobe *.pdf
Hello FrameManiacs, Would anyone who is generating *.pdf files outside of the Adobe Acrobat world please share what application you use and and pros-n-cons
FW: Great Leap
'Got cross-threaded to the Tech-Whirlers list -DJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of Butler,Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Murray Moore Subject: RE: Great Leap Murray, When it comes to software, it's always A good idea to look before you leap, but if you download all the latest patches from Adobe, you shouldn't have any issues. If you have templates for generated list files (TOC, Index etc) you may want to consider rebuilding them within the FM8 environment - just to be on the safe side. I rebuilt my more complex gen-list templates, the rest I re-saved in FM8, and all of them seem to be working okey-dokey. Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Murray Moore Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:53 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Great Leap I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible? Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ^ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. http://www.doctohelp.com Help Manual 5: The complete help authoring tool for individual authors and teams. Professional power, intuitive interface. Write once, publish to 8 formats. Multi-user authoring and version control! http://www.helpandmanual.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to TECHWR-L as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/options/techwr-l/darren.butler.ctr%40r obins.af.mil To subscribe, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.techwr-l.com/ for more resources and info. Please move off-topic discussions to the Chat list, at: http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/listinfo/techwr-l-chat ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FW: Great Leap
'Got cross-threaded to the Tech-Whirlers list -DJ -Original Message- From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at lists.techwr-l.com [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at lists.techwr-l. com] On Behalf Of Butler,Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:22 PM To: techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com Cc: Murray Moore Subject: RE: Great Leap Murray, When it comes to software, it's always A good idea to look before you leap, but if you download all the latest patches from Adobe, you shouldn't have any issues. If you have templates for generated list files (TOC, Index etc) you may want to consider rebuilding them within the FM8 environment - just to be on the safe side. I rebuilt my more complex gen-list templates, the rest I re-saved in FM8, and all of them seem to be working okey-dokey. Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Murray Moore Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:53 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Great Leap I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know "Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible?" Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as darren.butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ^ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. http://www.doctohelp.com Help & Manual 5: The complete help authoring tool for individual authors and teams. Professional power, intuitive interface. Write once, publish to 8 formats. Multi-user authoring and version control! http://www.helpandmanual.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to TECHWR-L as Darren.Butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. To unsubscribe send a blank email to techwr-l-unsubscribe at lists.techwr-l.com or visit http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/options/techwr-l/darren.butler.ctr%40r obins.af.mil To subscribe, send a blank email to techwr-l-join at lists.techwr-l.com Send administrative questions to admin at techwr-l.com. Visit http://www.techwr-l.com/ for more resources and info. Please move off-topic discussions to the Chat list, at: http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/listinfo/techwr-l-chat
Re: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Fred Ridder wrote: The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another matter... If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large indexes. Finding every out-of-order Heidi would be tedious and eye-straining. Thanx, DJ -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:33 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another matter... Subject: Sorting: Ignoring periods Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:43:32 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hello fellow FrameManiacs, In an index of paragraph titles; I WANT: Heidi. Heidi Chronicles. Heidi Fleiss. Heidi Ho. Heidi Klum. I GET: Heidi Chronicles. Heidi Fleiss. Heidi Ho. Heidi Klum. Heidi. Do I need to monkey with the SortOrder of the IgnoreChars? TIA, DJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods
Fred Ridder insisted: I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention. *whap-to-da-forehead* I failed to realized that the customer is not generating a true index (IX) but an alpha list of paragraphs. That resulting list is named index within the document. You'd think the *.APL file extension would have given me a clue.. ;^) Their template has both IX and APL entries in the ref page. It's too late in the workflow to go back and add index markers in the doc; so I guess they're stuck with hand-fixing the APL? 'Thanx Fred, I couldn't see the forest for the trees. 'Thanx also to Peter Gold. That was the right answer, I was asking the wrong question. 'Thanx to RickScript Quatro. Where would I be without duct tape, the kjv and FrameScript. '3 style points to Shmuel Wolfson for originality. Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:47 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods Darrenn Butler wrote: If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large indexes. Finding every out-of-order Heidi would be tedious and eye-straining. I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention. But assuming that the intent is that *every* index entry ends in a period, I would include it in the index specifications on the IX reference page of the index file rather than including it in each and every index entry marker, since a missing period in a marker (which can happen quite easily) would result in a second, unpunctuated entry in the compiled index. Just go to the IX reference page and find the SeparatorsIX paragraph. Add a period (or whetever other character you want to use as an entry terminator) at the very start of the paragraph, before the separator space. Then regenerate the index. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Sorting: Ignoring periods
Fred Ridder wrote: >>The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another matter...<< If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and eye-straining. Thanx, DJ -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:33 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods The cause is easy. Period follow spaces in the standard sort order. Any entry that includes Heidi followed by a space will sort before an entry that has Heidi followed by a period (or almost any other punctuation character). The best fix for your situation is another matter... > Subject: Sorting: Ignoring periods > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:43:32 -0400 > From: Darren.Butler.ctr at Robins.af.mil > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Hello fellow FrameManiacs, > > > > In an index of paragraph titles; > > > > I WANT: > > Heidi. > > Heidi Chronicles. > > Heidi Fleiss. > > Heidi Ho. > > Heidi Klum. > > > > I GET: > > Heidi Chronicles. > > Heidi Fleiss. > > Heidi Ho. > > Heidi Klum. > > Heidi. > > > > Do I need to monkey with the SortOrder of the IgnoreChars? > > > > TIA, > > DJ > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.co m > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Sorting: Ignoring periods
Fred Ridder insisted: >> I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention.<< *whap-to-da-forehead* I failed to realized that the customer is not generating a true index (IX) but an alpha list of paragraphs. That resulting list is named "index" within the document. You'd think the *.APL file extension would have given me a clue.. ;^) Their template has both IX and APL entries in the ref page. It's too late in the workflow to go back and add index markers in the doc; so I guess they're stuck with hand-fixing the APL? 'Thanx Fred, I couldn't see the forest for the trees. 'Thanx also to Peter Gold. That was the right answer, I was asking the wrong question. 'Thanx to "RickScript" Quatro. Where would I be without duct tape, the kjv and FrameScript. '3 style points to Shmuel Wolfson for originality. Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:47 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Sorting: Ignoring periods Darrenn Butler wrote: > If changing the SortOrder or the IgnoreChars building blocks won't help, > does anybody have any ideas on what else I can do - even if it's not a > total fix - because I have a customer that's producing very large > indexes. Finding every out-of-order "Heidi" would be tedious and > eye-straining. I'm still not sure I understand why the index entries use a period in the first place. I have never seen an index that uses that punctuation convention. But assuming that the intent is that *every* index entry ends in a period, I would include it in the index specifications on the IX reference page of the index file rather than including it in each and every index entry marker, since a missing period in a marker (which can happen quite easily) would result in a second, unpunctuated entry in the compiled index. Just go to the IX reference page and find the SeparatorsIX paragraph. Add a period (or whetever other character you want to use as an entry terminator) at the very start of the paragraph, before the separator space. Then regenerate the index. -Fred Ridder
Sorting: Ignoring periods
Hello fellow FrameManiacs, In an index of paragraph titles; I WANT: Heidi. Heidi Chronicles. Heidi Fleiss. Heidi Ho. Heidi Klum. I GET: Heidi Chronicles. Heidi Fleiss. Heidi Ho. Heidi Klum. Heidi. Do I need to monkey with the SortOrder of the IgnoreChars? TIA, DJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Sorting: Ignoring periods
Hello fellow FrameManiacs, In an index of paragraph titles; I WANT: Heidi. Heidi Chronicles. Heidi Fleiss. Heidi Ho. Heidi Klum. I GET: Heidi Chronicles. Heidi Fleiss. Heidi Ho. Heidi Klum. Heidi. Do I need to monkey with the SortOrder of the IgnoreChars? TIA, DJ
Space!........ABOVE BELOW!!
Hello fellow FrameManiacs, I'd like to know your philosophy - if you have one - on using the Above Pfg: and Below Pgf: parameters when designing templates. I have recently set all my ParaTags to Below Pgf: = 0.0 to avoid any compounding of spaces. I'm using the Below setting only in special cases or when I need to override a tag (which I try and keep to a minimum). Thanx, DJ Darren J Butler NG Corp [Space; the Final Frontier...] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Space!........ABOVE BELOW!!
['talk-about toys in the attic] Stuart, Great article - very informative! This will help me with some of my template customers who will *not like* the new paradigm. Thanx, DJ Darren J Butler NG Corp -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:22 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Cc: framers Subject: Re: Space!ABOVE BELOW!! Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC wrote: Hello fellow FrameManiacs, I'd like to know your philosophy - if you have one - on using the Above Pfg: and Below Pgf: parameters when designing templates. I have recently set all my ParaTags to Below Pgf: = 0.0 to avoid any compounding of spaces. I'm using the Below setting only in special cases or when I need to override a tag (which I try and keep to a minimum). Hi Darren, I've kept the following in my attic trunk of FM resources for a long time. It's good advice from Dick Gaskill in response to a similar question. HTH: === Space Above vs Space Below There is a legitimate reason for using space above rather than space below. Space above applies to the para tag in which it is set. Space below, even though it is set in one tag, affects the space above the next paragraph. The problem is that space below simply does not work for all tags that can come next. Let's use the body text tag as an example. To use your buddies' method, set the space above to zero and the space below to 7 points. Now add a list of bullets below the para that is tagged with body text. OK, this might work fine. Add another body text para. This might work fine too. But now you come to a new heading. Let's say it's a level 2 heading. Using the space below method, you get only a 7 pt spacing above a heading 2. Is this good formatting? Absolutely NOT! In fact, it looks reallly bad. Text all crowded together, etc. Yuck. To fix it you have to manually change the space below of every tag that comes right before a heading (or set the space above the headings as well). Again, not good tagging practice at all. Slow, inefficient, error prone, etc. What's the answer? Use space above. Now, no matter what kinds of tags follow your body text, the formatting looks good. Bullets, indents, lists, tables, etc., will be spaced appropriately below the body text, and so will headings, because they set their own spacing. And the same is true with the tags that the body text follows. Otherwise, sometimes you will have 3 points above a body text para (set by the para above it), sometimes 7, sometimes 10, etc. Looks bd. So, you ask, why did Adobe (well, actually, it was Frame Tech) include Space Below as a capability? Because it can set up a minimum space below tags like headings, that's why. Well, any tags, actually, but the case for headings is easy to explain. Lets use our body tag and heading 2 tag from the above example. When you insert a heading 2, you want 12 or 14 points above it. So you set the heading 2 space above to that value. No matter what tag the Heading 2 follows, it will be properly set off from the paragraph above it, whether it be bullets, tables, body text, graphics, etc. But you also want a minimum space below it because it is a heading. Let's say 8 points. Now, even though your body text tag has a 7 pt spacing above it, any time you place body text after a heading 2, you will have an 8 pt spacing, rather than 7. Remember, Frame uses the largest of the two spacings when the space below one tag is different that the space above the next tag. Space below and space above do not add, they overlap. So, bottom line: Use Space Above on all tags, and add Space Below on tags where appropriate. Actually, you =could= set both SA and SB on all tags. If carefully thought out, this can save a lot of formating woes and might make your buddies happy at the same time. I hope this answers your question. Dick Gaskill Tech Pubs Mgr. Blue Pumpkin Software Sunnyvale, CA === -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink. - George Orwell ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Space!........ABOVE BELOW!!
Thanx Peter, I actually *did* know that; maybe instead of saying compounding I should've said confounding of spaces — for just the reason you stated — when a below setting that is larger than a following tag’s above setting. I often fail to notice this when I'm in a tagging frenzy. It usually gets noticed by the customer during a doc review. ≡8^@ That’s why I’m trying to make things more idiot–(that would be me)–proof. Thanx for responding. Regards, DJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:11 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Cc: framers Subject: Re: Space!ABOVE BELOW!! Hi, Darren: It's a good idea to avoid surprises caused by the addition of space below/above consecutive paragraphs. I'm not sure if you know that FrameMaker is nearly unique* in its method of inter-paragraph space settings. It's about size matters. FrameMaker honors the larger of space below and space above to set the space between them. Almost all other text-creation tools combine the spaces. The additive method requires more thought about designing for many possible combinations of consecutive paragraph formats. *I believe that Ventura Publisher offers the option to work either larger one wins, or additive. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow FrameManiacs, I'd like to know your philosophy - if you have one - on using the Above Pfg: and Below Pgf: parameters when designing templates. I have recently set all my ParaTags to Below Pgf: = 0.0 to avoid any compounding of spaces. I'm using the Below setting only in special cases or when I need to override a tag (which I try and keep to a minimum). Thanx, DJ Darren J Butler NG Corp [Space; the Final Frontier...] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Space!........ABOVE & BELOW!!
Hello fellow FrameManiacs, I'd like to know your philosophy - if you have one - on using the "Above Pfg:" and "Below Pgf:" parameters when designing templates. I have recently set all my ParaTags to "Below Pgf: = 0.0" to avoid any compounding of spaces. I'm using the "Below " setting only in special cases or when I need to override a tag (which I try and keep to a minimum). Thanx, DJ Darren J Butler NG Corp [Space; the Final Frontier...]
Space!........ABOVE & BELOW!!
['talk-about "toys in the attic"] Stuart, Great article - very informative! This will help me with some of my template customers who will *not like* the new paradigm. Thanx, DJ Darren J Butler NG Corp -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:22 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Cc: framers Subject: Re: Space!ABOVE & BELOW!! Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC wrote: > Hello fellow FrameManiacs, > > I'd like to know your philosophy - if you have one - on using the > "Above Pfg:" and "Below Pgf:" parameters when designing templates. > > I have recently set all my ParaTags to "Below Pgf: = 0.0" to avoid any > compounding of spaces. I'm using the "Below " setting only in special > cases or when I need to override a tag (which I try and keep to a > minimum). Hi Darren, I've kept the following in my attic trunk of FM resources for a long time. It's good advice from Dick Gaskill in response to a similar question. HTH: === Space Above vs Space Below There is a legitimate reason for using space above rather than space below. Space above applies to the para tag in which it is set. Space below, even though it is set in one tag, affects the space above the next paragraph. The problem is that space below simply does not work for all tags that can come next. Let's use the body text tag as an example. To use your buddies' method, set the space above to zero and the space below to 7 points. Now add a list of bullets below the para that is tagged with body text. OK, this might work fine. Add another body text para. This might work fine too. But now you come to a new heading. Let's say it's a level 2 heading. Using the space below method, you get only a 7 pt spacing above a heading 2. Is this good formatting? Absolutely NOT! In fact, it looks reallly bad. Text all crowded together, etc. Yuck. To fix it you have to manually change the space below of every tag that comes right before a heading (or set the space above the headings as well). Again, not good tagging practice at all. Slow, inefficient, error prone, etc. What's the answer? Use space above. Now, no matter what kinds of tags follow your body text, the formatting looks good. Bullets, indents, lists, tables, etc., will be spaced appropriately below the body text, and so will headings, because they set their own spacing. And the same is true with the tags that the body text follows. Otherwise, sometimes you will have 3 points above a body text para (set by the para above it), sometimes 7, sometimes 10, etc. Looks bd. So, you ask, why did Adobe (well, actually, it was Frame Tech) include Space Below as a capability? Because it can set up a minimum space below tags like headings, that's why. Well, any tags, actually, but the case for headings is easy to explain. Lets use our body tag and heading 2 tag from the above example. When you insert a heading 2, you want 12 or 14 points above it. So you set the heading 2 space above to that value. No matter what tag the Heading 2 follows, it will be properly set off from the paragraph above it, whether it be bullets, tables, body text, graphics, etc. But you also want a minimum space below it because it is a heading. Let's say 8 points. Now, even though your body text tag has a 7 pt spacing above it, any time you place body text after a heading 2, you will have an 8 pt spacing, rather than 7. Remember, Frame uses the largest of the two spacings when the space below one tag is different that the space above the next tag. Space below and space above do not add, they overlap. So, bottom line: Use Space Above on all tags, and add Space Below on tags where appropriate. Actually, you =could= set both SA and SB on all tags. If carefully thought out, this can save a lot of formating woes and might make your buddies happy at the same time. I hope this answers your question. Dick Gaskill Tech Pubs Mgr. Blue Pumpkin Software Sunnyvale, CA === -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink." - George Orwell
Space!........ABOVE & BELOW!!
Thanx Peter, I actually *did* know that; maybe instead of saying "compounding" I should've said "confounding" of spaces ? for just the reason you stated ? when a "below" setting that is larger than a following tag?s "above" setting. I often fail to notice this when I'm in a tagging frenzy. It usually gets noticed by the customer during a doc review. ?8^@ That?s why I?m trying to make things more idiot?(that would be me)?proof. Thanx for responding. Regards, DJ -Original Message- From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:11 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Cc: framers Subject: Re: Space!ABOVE & BELOW!! Hi, Darren: It's a good idea to avoid surprises caused by the addition of space below/above consecutive paragraphs. I'm not sure if you know that FrameMaker is nearly unique* in its method of inter-paragraph space settings. It's about "size matters." FrameMaker honors the larger of space below and space above to set the space between them. Almost all other text-creation tools combine the spaces. The additive method requires more thought about designing for many possible combinations of consecutive paragraph formats. *I believe that Ventura Publisher offers the option to work either larger one wins, or additive. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC wrote: > Hello fellow FrameManiacs, > > I'd like to know your philosophy - if you have one - on using the > "Above Pfg:" and "Below Pgf:" parameters when designing templates. > > I have recently set all my ParaTags to "Below Pgf: = 0.0" to avoid any > compounding of spaces. I'm using the "Below " setting only in special > cases or when I need to override a tag (which I try and keep to a > minimum). > > > > Thanx, > > DJ > > > > Darren J Butler > > NG Corp > > [Space; the Final Frontier...] >
RE: MIF to SGML/XML
Thanx to you both for the info! Darren -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:02 AM To: Rick Quatro; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers Subject: Re: MIF to SGML/XML I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going that route. Scott At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Darren, I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
MIF to SGML/XML
Thanx to you both for the info! Darren -Original Message- From: quills at airmail.net [mailto:qui...@airmail.net] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:02 AM To: Rick Quatro; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers Subject: Re: MIF to SGML/XML I wouldn't advise anyone to use MSXML. It's a proprietary format. I know, that's an oxymoron in conjunction with XML in general, but it's true. Add to that Microsoft's penchant for adding extraneous, gratuitous, and bloated code to it's conversion output and it would seem counter-productive going that route. Scott At 9:40 AM -0400 9/3/08, Rick Quatro wrote: >Hi Darren, > >I think Scott Prentice has an application that does this; check >http://www.leximation.com. You could also use FrameScript and MSXML to go >directly from FrameMaker to XML, bypassing MIF altogether. If you are >interested in this approach, please contact me offlist. Thanks. > >Rick Quatro >Carmen Publishing Inc >585-659-8267 >www.frameexpert.com
MIF to SGML/XML
Hello fellow FrameManiacs, Does anyone know of an application that converts MIF to XML and/or SGML, besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative. We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until we find something else. Thanks, Darren Darren Butler FrameMaker Template Custodian NG Corp ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
MIF to SGML/XML
Hello fellow FrameManiacs, Does anyone know of an application that converts MIF to XML and/or SGML, besides the Maximus application made by Xorba inc? I hear that the company is defunct, so I have to find and alternative. We have an older copy of Maximus that is quite buggy. If we could find a copy of the latest source code, we could fix the bugs and use Max until we find something else. Thanks, Darren Darren Butler FrameMaker Template Custodian NG Corp
RE: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?
Pat, Entering a soft return at the desired break point, then entering a tab at the left of the new line will do it. Darren Butler Tech Writer-Editor NG Corp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Fortino Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:45 PM To: framers Subject: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text? Hi, I know this question has been asked many times, but I can't find any threads with the answers. Here is the situation: We have a TOC and LOT that uses leader dots that lead to a page number on a right tab; eg Table 3-1 List of Program Parameters...3-3 The problem is when the para text is longer than 1 line and the page number wraps to second line. When that happens, we don't get a tab to right or a leader. eg. Table 3.1 List of Programs Parameter for the XXX Program Setting as;dfasdfdsf 3-3 Is there a way to get leaders on the second line? Seems like I remember that you can't. Thanks -- Pat Fortino writenowdesign.com | - Web Sites - Technical Writing - Editing - Desktop Publishing Get Firefox, a Safer, Faster, and Better Browser ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text?
Pat, Entering a soft return at the desired break point, then entering a tab at the left of the new line will do it. Darren Butler Tech Writer-Editor NG Corp -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Fortino Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:45 PM To: framers Subject: TOC, LOT: Leader dots on second line of text? Hi, I know this question has been asked many times, but I can't find any threads with the answers. Here is the situation: We have a TOC and LOT that uses leader dots that lead to a page number on a right tab; eg Table 3-1 List of Program Parameters...3-3 The problem is when the para text is longer than 1 line and the page number wraps to second line. When that happens, we don't get a tab to right or a leader. eg. Table 3.1 List of Programs Parameter for the XXX Program Setting as;dfasdfdsf 3-3 Is there a way to get leaders on the second line? Seems like I remember that you can't. Thanks -- Pat Fortino writenowdesign.com >>| - Web Sites - Technical Writing - Editing - Desktop Publishing Get Firefox, a Safer, Faster, and Better Browser ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as darren.butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TOC within a chapter
Thanx Yves, In this case, updating each chapter individually is what we want. I didn't own a copy of FrameScript until recently, so I'll create a script for those clients who also have FS. The rest of them will have to import the TOC for each chapter. Anyone else have a 3rd option? -Original Message- From: Yves Barbion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:44 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOC within a chapter Hi Darren, yes, you can generate standalone TOCs and import them by reference into a chapter, but you'll have to update and check each chapter individually each time you add, remove or change titles in that chapter. Like Art said the ChapterTOC Framescript is the easiest but also the best solution. You can even run it on complete FM books. Cheers -- Yves Barbion • Managing Director Scripto • Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu • skype: yves.barbion • T: +32 494 12 01 89 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow FrameManiacs, If you have: a. Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages. b. Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each individual chapter. Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and formatting the TOC. TIA, DJ Butler NG Corp ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TOC within a chapter
Many thanx to Rick Quatro, FrameScript Apostle ('love your book) and all
who are suggesting using a FrameScript. Unfortunately, some of my
clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
the TOC as a text inset.
Any thoughts on this?
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Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
If you have:
a. Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.
b. Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
individual chapter.
Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
formatting the TOC.
TIA,
DJ Butler
NG Corp
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TOC within a chapter
Thanx Yves, In this case, updating each chapter individually is what we want. I didn't own a copy of FrameScript until recently, so I'll create a script for those clients who also have FS. The rest of them will have to import the TOC for each chapter. Anyone else have a 3rd option? -Original Message- From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:44 AM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: TOC within a chapter Hi Darren, yes, you can generate standalone TOCs and import them by reference into a chapter, but you'll have to update and check each chapter individually each time you add, remove or change titles in that chapter. Like Art said the ChapterTOC Framescript is the easiest but also the best solution. You can even run it on complete FM books. Cheers -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director Scripto ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC wrote: Hello fellow FrameManiacs, If you have: a. Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages. b. Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each individual chapter. Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and formatting the TOC. TIA, DJ Butler NG Corp ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TOC within a chapter
Hello fellow FrameManiacs, If you have: a. Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages. b. Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each individual chapter. Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and formatting the TOC. TIA, DJ Butler NG Corp ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TOC within a chapter
Hello fellow FrameManiacs, If you have: a. Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages. b. Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each individual chapter. Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and formatting the TOC. TIA, DJ Butler NG Corp
RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions
XP or VISTA; SAUNA or SOUP; that *is* the question. Well, whether amphibian or adventurer we're still swimming in the cauldron of our own demise. Seriously, I feel MUCH better about all this Frame/Vista stuff-thanx to Dov's wise counsel-so I'll soak a bit longer Hey, I'm actually starting to smell pretty delicious!! DJ -Original Message- From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:27 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Or the old adage that to boil a frog, you put it in a pot of cold water and turn up the heat gradually, because the frog will pass out before it notices the increased temperature. Not that frog soup is on my menu Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many years ago: A crowd of cannibals with bones through their nostrils, gathered round a huge cauldron set over a fire. In the cauldron, three pith-helmeted white explorers lounging, elbows resting on the rim. Says one to the other two, The chief's right! The first few minutes *are* very relaxing. Welcome to Office 2007! ;-) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How FM use impacts purchasing decisions
XP or VISTA; SAUNA or SOUP; that *is* the question. Well, whether amphibian or adventurer we're still swimming in the cauldron of our own demise. Seriously, I feel MUCH better about all this Frame/Vista stuff-thanx to Dov's wise counsel-so I'll soak a bit longer Hey, I'm actually starting to smell pretty delicious!! DJ -Original Message- From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:27 PM To: Stuart Rogers Cc: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Or the old adage that to boil a frog, you put it in a pot of cold water and turn up the heat gradually, because the frog will pass out before it notices the increased temperature. Not that frog soup is on my menu Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Stuart Rogers <srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com> I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many years ago: A crowd of cannibals with bones through their nostrils, gathered round a huge cauldron set over a fire. In the cauldron, three pith-helmeted white explorers lounging, elbows resting on the rim. Says one to the other two, "The chief's right! The first few minutes *are* very relaxing." Welcome to Office 2007! ;-)
RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions
If you are using FM in conjunction with a CMS such as Content@, be especially careful before switching to Vista. Make certain that you speak with your CMS Tech Support and NOT a sales rep. Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine with Vista and XP? What New Coke did for Pepsi sales in the 80s and what the Chevy Vega did for Japanese auto sales in the 70s Vista may now be doing for Mac sales. That goes double for Office 2007. ≡8^@ I was forced to switch to a Vista machine because my old laptop lost an argument with-as fate would have it- a Coca Cola Product. I tried everything but an exorcist to resurrect my “faithful ol' lappie”-believe me- but to no avail. Now, I’m considering time travel. If you have an XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. DJ Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Rene Stephenson wrote: I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will entail. I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to chucking it and getting a Mac. It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go with b, speaking from personal experience. insert long litany of complaints here Sarah -- Sarah O'Keefe Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions
Yeah, you are probably right, Rene. The dual-boot question was just a stab in the dark. My entire office may be forced to up(...down??)-grade to Vista in the hopefully-not-to-near future. Our vehement petition for a stay of execution may be ignored in favor of the IT UBER-POLICY, unless we can come up with a compromise. Cost/benefit and time/productivity be hanged; we're talking survival here! DJ Butler -Original Message- From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:37 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o) I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates XP SP2 support through July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be available after June 2008. Maybe over the next two years a better option will emerge from the fog. Dual boot is an interesting idea, but it's my impression that Vista matches hard drive serial number with OS serial number and snoops everything on the hard drive, which means I'd be surprised if that worked...and I'm also scratching my head about what the cost/benefit in time/productivity would be. I'm sure I'm missing something...maybe it's in the bottom of my espresso cup. Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Make certain that you speak with your CMS Tech Support and NOT a sales rep. Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine with Vista and XP? If you have an XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. DJ Butler ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How FM use impacts purchasing decisions
If you are using FM in conjunction with a CMS such as Content@, be especially careful before switching to Vista. Make certain that you speak with your CMS Tech Support and NOT a sales rep. Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine with Vista and XP? What "New Coke" did for Pepsi sales in the 80s and what the Chevy Vega did for Japanese auto sales in the 70s Vista may now be doing for Mac sales. That goes double for Office 2007. ?8^@ I was forced to switch to a Vista machine because my old laptop lost an argument with-as fate would have it- a Coca Cola Product. I tried everything but an exorcist to resurrect my ?faithful ol' lappie?-believe me- but to no avail. Now, I?m considering time travel. If you have an XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. DJ Butler songshepherd at mindspring.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:57 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Rene Stephenson wrote: > I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, > and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping > with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that > will entail. I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to chucking it and getting a Mac. It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go with b, speaking from personal experience. Sarah -- Sarah O'Keefe Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as darren.butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How FM use impacts purchasing decisions
Yeah, you are probably right, Rene. The dual-boot question was just a stab in the dark. My entire office may be forced to up(...down??)-grade to Vista in the hopefully-not-to-near future. Our vehement petition for a stay of execution may be ignored in favor of the IT UBER-POLICY, unless we can come up with a compromise. Cost/benefit and time/productivity be hanged; we're talking survival here! DJ Butler -Original Message- From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:37 PM To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o) I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates XP SP2 support through July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be available after June 2008. Maybe over the next two years a better option will emerge from the fog. Dual boot is an interesting idea, but it's my impression that Vista matches hard drive serial number with OS serial number and snoops everything on the hard drive, which means I'd be surprised if that worked...and I'm also scratching my head about what the cost/benefit in time/productivity would be. I'm sure I'm missing something...maybe it's in the bottom of my espresso cup. Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: "Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC" Make certain that you speak with your CMS Tech Support and NOT a sales rep. Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine with Vista and XP? If you have an XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. DJ Butler
Underlined Superscripts
Hello FrameManiacs, How does one underline a word with an offset (superscript or subscript) character and keep the underline from offsetting with the character? Is this possible? TIA, Darren Darren J Butler Technical Writer-Editor NG Corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Underlined Superscripts
Hello FrameManiacs, How does one underline a word with an offset (superscript or subscript) character and keep the underline from offsetting with the character? Is this possible? TIA, Darren Darren J Butler Technical Writer-Editor NG Corp Darren.butler.ctr at robins.af.mil Darren.butler at ngc.com
FM 8 and Content@ CMS
My office currently uses Content@ CMS with FM versions 6.0 thru 7.1. Has anyone experienced any problems or issues of concern using FM 8.0 with [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Darren Butler NGC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Hypertext can't find target doc
FM.8.0, Windows XP When using the Hypertext Command Open Document and adding the target file name to the syntax, I get a file does not exist error message and the target filename gets truncated. Is there a limit to the filename length? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Hypertext can't find target doc
FM.8.0, Windows XP When using the Hypertext Command "Open Document" and adding the target file name to the syntax, I get a "file does not exist error message" and the target filename gets truncated. Is there a limit to the filename length?
