Re: Frame on the Mac
I run Frame 9 on a MacBook Pro with Windows XP Pro running under VMWare Fusion. No problems here! I have a setup similar to Rick's. I simply put the window in which Windows is running on one display (where it looks and acts just like Windows) and then keep Mac OS X visible on my laptop screen. I can drag and drop, cut and paste between them. One wireless keyboard and one wireless mouse works for both. I'm not really sure why, but I have a lot fewer problems running Windows this way than I ever did with a company-issued PC. The MacBook is my own and I take it to a client site every day. I use one of their monitors, and I keep an extra power supply and HDMI dongle onsite. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR On Jul 25, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Tori Muir wrote: Brag #2: my team use Frame 9 on Windoze XP on Intel Macs running Parallels (another virtual machine program like VMWare Fusion). Works flawlessly, although it does take a few minutes to boot up. But since it can boot up Windows in the background while doing other things on the Mac, it's not a big problem. Like Rick, we have no performance complaints. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 7/24/10 6:50 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote: On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31 AM, boe...@gedok.com wrote: Hi, there, we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the mac. Adobe got us on the wrong foot with discontinuing Framemaker on the mac... :-( Brag: I'm using Frame 9 on an Intel Mac Pro Admission: It's running on Windows 7 using VMWare Fusion. Another admission: I'm a technical geek. I also have two separate displays and enough RAM to run two operating systems. In any case, let me ask how others are running PC versions of Frame on the Mac. For a while I wondered why so many people still use Frame 7, but I assume it's because lots of people still run it on a Mac. My own solution might not work for everyone. Installation is nasty, since you have to install VMWare, Windows, and Framemaker, and keep Windows up to date as well as OS X. Once it's running, it is as if I am using two separate computers with the same keyboard and mouse. One display shows Windows and the other shows OS X. I find it easiest to keep each OS on a separate display. I have no performance complaints. There are practical disadvantages since I am essentially running two separate computers, each with its own hard drive. I use Microsoft's free SyncToy to keep an up to date copy of my files on the Windows hard drive and in the OS-X file system (where Time Machine backs it up). VMWare also has a mode called Unity in which the PC applications appear in their own windows on the Mac desktop. I tried that briefly, but found it confusing. Others might have better luck. Rick Smith. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jennygreenl...@comcast.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jennygreenleaf%40comcast.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame on the Mac
I run Frame 9 on a MacBook Pro with Windows XP Pro running under VMWare Fusion. No problems here! I have a setup similar to Rick's. I simply put the window in which Windows is running on one display (where it looks and acts just like Windows) and then keep Mac OS X visible on my laptop screen. I can drag and drop, cut and paste between them. One wireless keyboard and one wireless mouse works for both. I'm not really sure why, but I have a lot fewer problems running Windows this way than I ever did with a company-issued PC. The MacBook is my own and I take it to a client site every day. I use one of their monitors, and I keep an extra power supply and HDMI dongle onsite. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR On Jul 25, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Tori Muir wrote: > Brag #2: my team use Frame 9 on Windoze XP on Intel Macs running Parallels > (another virtual machine program like VMWare Fusion). Works flawlessly, > although it does take a few minutes to boot up. But since it can boot up > Windows in the background while doing other things on the Mac, it's not a big > problem. Like Rick, we have no performance complaints. > > Tori Muir > tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 > www.spot-on-creative.com > > > On 7/24/10 6:50 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote: >> On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31 AM, boenat at gedok.com wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, there, >>> >>> we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the >>> mac. Adobe got us on the wrong foot with discontinuing Framemaker on the >>> mac... :-( >>> >> >> Brag: I'm using Frame 9 on an Intel Mac Pro >> Admission: It's running on Windows 7 using VMWare Fusion. >> Another admission: I'm a technical geek. I also have two separate displays >> and enough RAM to run two operating systems. >> >> In any case, let me ask how others are running PC versions of Frame on the >> Mac. For a while I wondered why so many people still use Frame 7, but I >> assume it's because lots of people still run it on a Mac. >> >> My own solution might not work for everyone. Installation is nasty, since >> you have to install VMWare, Windows, and Framemaker, and keep Windows up to >> date as well as OS X. >> >> Once it's running, it is as if I am using two separate computers with the >> same keyboard and mouse. One display shows Windows and the other shows OS X. >> I find it easiest to keep each OS on a separate display. >> >> I have no performance complaints. There are practical disadvantages since I >> am essentially running two separate computers, each with its own hard drive. >> I use Microsoft's free SyncToy to keep an up to date copy of my files on the >> Windows hard drive and in the OS-X file system (where Time Machine backs it >> up). >> >> VMWare also has a mode called "Unity" in which the PC applications appear in >> their own windows on the Mac desktop. I tried that briefly, but found it >> confusing. Others might have better luck. >> >> Rick Smith. >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to framers as tmuir at spot-on-creative.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jennygreenleaf at comcast.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jennygreenleaf%40comcast.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Troubleshooting cross references
Frame Listas, OK, I fully know that I did this to myself. I renamed some files outside Frame. I have no idea WHAT I was thinking. Now, after patching up a few things, my book generates fine, but I get several unresolved cross-reference errors. However, when I go to the files in question, no unresolved cross references are apparent. I looked at the cross-reference list-no red ones. I set the References menu to Unresolved Cross References. Shows nada. I did a search on Unresolved Cross References for each of the documents and for the book. None are found. Frame 9, fully patched Running in an XP VM under VMWare Fusion on a Mac Clues? Thanks in advance, because I know someone knows the answer to this! Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Troubleshooting cross references
Thanks, Clint! That was the secret ingredient. Sadly, no, this has not been fixed in Frame 9. Jenny On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Owen, Clint wrote: Jenny, You might have to view the master pages in each suspect file to look for your broken cross references. One of the most annoying features up through FM 7.0 is the inability of global searches to find anything on a master page. If this has been fixed in FM 9.0 it would be a good enough reason on its own to upgrade. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:50 PM To: Frame Users Subject: Troubleshooting cross references Frame Listas, OK, I fully know that I did this to myself. I renamed some files outside Frame. I have no idea WHAT I was thinking. Now, after patching up a few things, my book generates fine, but I get several unresolved cross-reference errors. However, when I go to the files in question, no unresolved cross references are apparent. I looked at the cross-reference list-no red ones. I set the References menu to Unresolved Cross References. Shows nada. I did a search on Unresolved Cross References for each of the documents and for the book. None are found. Frame 9, fully patched Running in an XP VM under VMWare Fusion on a Mac Clues? Thanks in advance, because I know someone knows the answer to this! Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as clint.o...@craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Troubleshooting cross references
Frame Listas, OK, I fully know that I did this to myself. I renamed some files outside Frame. I have no idea WHAT I was thinking. Now, after patching up a few things, my book generates fine, but I get several "unresolved cross-reference" errors. However, when I go to the files in question, no unresolved cross references are apparent. I looked at the cross-reference list-no red ones. I set the References menu to Unresolved Cross References. Shows nada. I did a search on Unresolved Cross References for each of the documents and for the book. None are found. Frame 9, fully patched Running in an XP VM under VMWare Fusion on a Mac Clues? Thanks in advance, because I know someone knows the answer to this! Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR
Troubleshooting cross references
Thanks, Clint! That was the secret ingredient. Sadly, no, this has not been fixed in Frame 9. Jenny On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Owen, Clint wrote: > Jenny, > > You might have to view the master pages in each suspect file to look for > your broken cross references. One of the most annoying "features" up > through FM 7.0 is the inability of "global" searches to find anything on > a master page. > > If this has been fixed in FM 9.0 it would be a good enough reason on its > own to upgrade. > > Clint > > Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 > 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny > Greenleaf > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:50 PM > To: Frame Users > Subject: Troubleshooting cross references > > Frame Listas, > > OK, I fully know that I did this to myself. I renamed some files outside > Frame. I have no idea WHAT I was thinking. > > Now, after patching up a few things, my book generates fine, but I get > several "unresolved cross-reference" errors. However, when I go to the > files in question, no unresolved cross references are apparent. > > I looked at the cross-reference list-no red ones. > I set the References menu to Unresolved Cross References. Shows nada. > I did a search on Unresolved Cross References for each of the documents > and for the book. None are found. > > Frame 9, fully patched > Running in an XP VM under VMWare Fusion on a Mac > > Clues? > > Thanks in advance, because I know someone knows the answer to this! > > Jenny Greenleaf > Portland, OR > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as > Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae > rospace.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? > Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: > http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx > Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. > > Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement: > The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is > confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any > employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any > unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly > prohibited > and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify > the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments > from > your electronic files. >
Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
I was very pleased that the Adobe engineers were interested in my problem with the spelling checker not finding obviously misspelled words. Amit Agarwal and I traded several emails and files, and he found the reason and a fix. Co-incidentally, William's suggestion landed in my email box today as well. Apparently character tags can be set to None for language, which makes the spelling checker skip the rest of the paragraph, even if it doesn't use that tag. Here's is Amit's workaround, which worked for me. I'm glad to know the spelling checker isn't just batty. (Except for the corrections suggestions.) THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM: • Click in the document • Find panel → Select find Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=None • In Change → Select Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=US English • Click Change All • Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word. In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character tag. I know now! Anyway, thanks to all of you, and thanks to Amit who stuck with it until he figured it out. It does seem to be a bug that the spelling checker skips the rest of the paragraph. The misspelled word definitely carried a character format that was set to US English. Jenny Begin forwarded message: From: William Abernathy will...@inch.com Date: May 28, 2010 10:26:01 AM PDT To: jennygreenl...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? I have seen individual words and portions of paragraphs carrying foreign dictionary tags that were riding along with the text, but unresponsive to the paragraph language setting at the paragraph level. If memory serves, I had to highlight the text without crossing a p-tag boundary and manually set the language back to None, or US English (sorry I can't be more specific -- it's been a while since I've seen this problem). Jenny Greenleaf wrote: Great ideas, thank you. Sadly I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work. The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it. The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds it when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word. Back to proofing Jenny -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
I'm not sure I would call it fixed. It's still a bug that the tag makes the spelling checker miss errors in the rest of the paragraph. In my case, the rest of the paragraph contained text formatted as Default Font. I'm just happy I have a workaround and pleased that Adobe cared enough to respond. J On May 28, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: On Fri, 28 May 2010, Jenny Greenleaf wrote: -snips - In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character tag. I know now! As a FrameMaker Geezer, this should have tripped a little bell in the back of my head. D'oh! Language NONE behavior with the spell checker is actually a handy feature. You can set code examples this way so as to avoid a lot of busy work when the spell checker walks through snippets of example programming code that might be in your docs. Glad you got it fixed and found this FM feature, Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) fra...@fsatools.com mailto:fra...@fsatools.com TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970 USA FAX: 360-253-1498 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
You had better luck than I did. I thought I'd try it on a book. I did Change All, waited about forever, then had to CTRL-ALT-DEL to get out. Then I tried it on just a chapter. Same result. Am rebooting everything. This procedure worked great in a very, very small file--maybe 4 paragraphs. That was the file Amit was working with. Darn! I thought I had it. FM9p250 on Windows XP SP3, running under VMWare Fusion on a Mac Jenny Greenleaf On May 28, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM: • Click in the document • Find panel → Select find Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=None • In Change → Select Character Format • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is • Select Language=US English • Click Change All • Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word. Well, darn. I thought I'd try that procedure, just to see if I had any character formats set to language of None that I might want to change. Unfortunately, FM9 finds _everything in the document_ when I set the language to None. It skips around the document finding blocks as short as one line or as long as several pages, until it has found everything in the document. It seems that something else is very wrong. FM9 p250 on Windows XP SP3 Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jennygreenl...@comcast.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jennygreenleaf%40comcast.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!
I was very pleased that the Adobe engineers were interested in my problem with the spelling checker not finding obviously misspelled words. Amit Agarwal and I traded several emails and files, and he found the reason and a fix. Co-incidentally, William's suggestion landed in my email box today as well. Apparently character tags can be set to None for language, which makes the spelling checker skip the rest of the paragraph, even if it doesn't use that tag. Here's is Amit's workaround, which worked for me. I'm glad to know the spelling checker isn't just batty. (Except for the corrections suggestions.) THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM: ? Click in the document ? Find panel ? Select find Character Format ? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is" ? Select "Language=None" ? In Change ? Select Character Format ? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is" ? Select "Language=US English" ? Click "Change All" ? Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word. In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character tag. I know now! Anyway, thanks to all of you, and thanks to Amit who stuck with it until he figured it out. It does seem to be a bug that the spelling checker skips the rest of the paragraph. The misspelled word definitely carried a character format that was set to US English. Jenny Begin forwarded message: > From: William Abernathy > Date: May 28, 2010 10:26:01 AM PDT > To: jennygreenleaf at comcast.net > Subject: Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? > > I have seen individual words and portions of paragraphs carrying foreign > dictionary tags that were riding along with the text, but unresponsive to the > paragraph > language setting at the paragraph level. If memory serves, I had > to highlight the text without crossing a p-tag boundary and manually set the > language back to None, or US English (sorry I can't be more specific -- it's > been a while since I've seen this problem). > > > Jenny Greenleaf wrote: >> Great ideas, thank you. Sadly >> >> I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod >> away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work. >> >> The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it. >> >> The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds >> it when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word. >> >> Back to proofing >> >> Jenny > > > > > -- > William Abernathy > Berkeley, CA > http://yourwritereditor.com
Re: Thought for the day
Nor should you get offended if an Australian man offers to nurse your baby. That one really caught me off-guard the first time I heard it! Jenny On May 27, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Writer wrote: ...or trousers as pants. Nadine --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Lea Rush l...@astoria-pacific.com wrote: From: Lea Rush l...@astoria-pacific.com Subject: RE: Thought for the day To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 2:33 PM And don't refer to your waist pouch as a fanny pack. More offended looks ... -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:03 AM To: syed.hos...@aeris.net Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Thought for the day As does rooting for your team, in Australia. Expect a few startled looks, then grins . . . In case anyone wonders about the tech-writing aspect of this discussion, it's the many tricky highways and byways of localization even within the English language. --Nancy On May 27, 2010, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: And ... offering to give someone a ride in your car in the UK has quite a different connotation from the use in the US. :) Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Thought for the day
Nor should you get offended if an Australian man offers to nurse your baby. That one really caught me off-guard the first time I heard it! Jenny On May 27, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Writer wrote: > ...or trousers as pants. > > Nadine > > --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Lea Rush wrote: > >> From: Lea Rush >> Subject: RE: Thought for the day >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 2:33 PM >> And don't refer to your waist pouch >> as a fanny pack. More offended looks ... >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com >> [mailto:framers- >>> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] >> On Behalf Of Nancy Allison >>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:03 AM >>> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net >>> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com >>> Subject: Re: Thought for the day >>> >>> As does rooting for your team, in Australia. Expect a >> few startled looks, >> then >>> grins . . . >>> >>> In case anyone wonders about the tech-writing aspect >> of this discussion, >> it's the >>> many tricky highways and byways of localization even >> within the English >>> language. >>> >>> --Nancy >>> >>> On May 27, 2010, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> And ... offering to give someone a ride in your car in >> the UK has quite a >> different >>> connotation from the use in the US. :) >>> >>> Z
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?
Just one more data point about the spelling checker bug that might help someone else I was preparing a stripped down version of the file to send to the Adobe engineers who asked for it. (That's nice!) While trying a couple more times to reproduce it, I noticed that it did not find misspelled words in paragraphs that started with my bold font-Franklin Gothic Demi. That seemed to be the only thing similar in the paragraphs I created that showed the problem. If a paragraph started with the default font (Franklin Gothic Book), Frame found the spelling errors. I was easily able to create this case in a blank file. I don't know if any override causes it to miss, or if it's something special about Franklin Gothic Demi. At least I know now that I should scrutinize paragraphs that start with bold words extra, extra carefully. Not that I don't proofread every page. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can the spelling checker be trusted?
Just one more data point about the spelling checker bug that might help someone else I was preparing a stripped down version of the file to send to the Adobe engineers who asked for it. (That's nice!) While trying a couple more times to reproduce it, I noticed that it did not find misspelled words in paragraphs that started with my bold font-Franklin Gothic Demi. That seemed to be the only thing similar in the paragraphs I created that showed the problem. If a paragraph started with the default font (Franklin Gothic Book), Frame found the spelling errors. I was easily able to create this case in a blank file. I don't know if any override causes it to miss, or if it's something special about Franklin Gothic Demi. At least I know now that I should scrutinize paragraphs that start with bold words extra, extra carefully. Not that I don't proofread every page. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR
Can the spelling checker be trusted?
FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro. Yikes! I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling error: include was spelled imclude. I knew I had spell-checked the book numerous times and didn't understand why this was still there. I tried a few things: Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for entire book. Did not find error. Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did Spell Check for the document. Did not find the error. Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell Check. Found the error. I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past few months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the spelling checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my confidence in the spelling checker is declining rapidly. I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. Any ideas what would cause this? The word in question is in the first line of a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that, it's just a word in a sentence. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?
It does! It says it's name.no wait, this is Monday. Drat. I tried putting the cursor in various places around the miscreant word. It finds it only if it is in the same paragraph. The paragraph is only four lines long, but breaks across two pages. The cursor must be before the word, but not after. It doesn't matter which page. Frame's spelling checker does not appear to work backwards. There's also an option under Dictionaries to Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking. It's an odd dialog box, full of rather unrelated radio button options. Anyway, I tried the Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking option, but it didn't make any difference. Closing Frame and restarting it didn't help either, though it does make my scroll bars work again for a time. Frame seems rather unbelievably buggy sometimes considering what I paid for it. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR On May 24, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote: Didn't happen to have white stripes and go by the name of Freddie did it? Could explain explain the resurgence ;) Alan On 25/05/2010, at 10:35 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: Hi Jenny... This brings up my memory of the evil dot. Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM 4 or 5) I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I could search (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and it would never find it. But, if I searched backwards it found the word without trouble. Spell checking had similar issues. I found that if the cursor was after a certain point in the file, the word could be found. After a bit of thrashing about, I discovered that the culprit was a period (the evil dot). If I deleted this period everything worked fine. What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that caused any processing to return to the beginning of the file. I could copy this character into any other file and the same thing would happen .. but if I saved the file to MIF, there was nothing apparently special about it .. just a simple period. I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but somewhere along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your file). I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if you also can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away from the word you can move the cursor and have it still found. Try searching backwards. Who knows. I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a serious problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this is a totally different problem. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?
Great ideas, thank you. Sadly I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work. The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it. The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds it when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word. Back to proofing Jenny On May 24, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for entire book. Did not find error. Once FM has checked a paragraph, it marks it so that time will not be wasted checking it again, unless the paragraph itself changes. So if the word is included in a paragraph that has already been checked and passed, FM will not find and flag the word. You can reset this behavior by going to Edit Spelling Checker and clicking on the Dictionaries button. There you will find a checkbox for Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking. This clears the already checked spelling flags in the document. The downside is that the spelling checker will then refind any words that you checked before, but passed without actually adding them to your personal dictionary-- and you will be presented with them again. Another thing to check is the paragraph format holding the word. Go to Paragraph Designer Fonts tab Language setting. If it is set to None, FM will not check that paragraph for spelling, no matter what you do. Set it to a language and FM will use the appropriate language dictionary to check it. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jennygreenl...@comcast.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jennygreenleaf%40comcast.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can the spelling checker be trusted?
FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro. Yikes! I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling error: include was spelled "imclude". I knew I had spell-checked the book numerous times and didn't understand why this was still there. I tried a few things: Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for entire book. Did not find error. Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did Spell Check for the document. Did not find the error. Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell Check. Found the error. I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past few months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the spelling checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my confidence in the spelling checker is declining rapidly. I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. Any ideas what would cause this? The word in question is in the first line of a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that, it's just a word in a sentence. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR
Can the spelling checker be trusted?
It does! It says it's name.no wait, this is Monday. Drat. I tried putting the cursor in various places around the miscreant word. It finds it only if it is in the same paragraph. The paragraph is only four lines long, but breaks across two pages. The cursor must be before the word, but not after. It doesn't matter which page. Frame's spelling checker does not appear to work backwards. There's also an option under "Dictionaries" to "Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking." It's an odd dialog box, full of rather unrelated radio button options. Anyway, I tried the "Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking" option, but it didn't make any difference. Closing Frame and restarting it didn't help either, though it does make my scroll bars work again for a time. Frame seems rather unbelievably buggy sometimes considering what I paid for it. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR On May 24, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > Didn't happen to have white stripes and go by the name of Freddie did it? > > Could explain explain the resurgence ;) > > Alan > > On 25/05/2010, at 10:35 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: > >> Hi Jenny... >> >> This brings up my memory of "the evil dot." Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM 4 or 5) >> I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I could search >> (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and it would never find >> it. But, if I searched backwards it found the word without trouble. Spell >> checking had similar issues. I found that if the cursor was after a certain >> point in the file, the word could be found. After a bit of thrashing about, >> I discovered that the culprit was a period (the evil dot). If I deleted this >> period everything worked fine. >> >> What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that caused any >> processing to return to the beginning of the file. I could copy this >> character into any other file and the same thing would happen .. but if I >> saved the file to MIF, there was nothing apparently special about it .. just >> a simple period. >> >> I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but somewhere >> along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your file). >> >> I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if you also >> can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away from the word you >> can move the cursor and have it still found. Try searching backwards. Who >> knows. >> >> I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a serious >> problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this is a totally >> different problem. >> >> Cheers, >> >> ...scott >> >> Scott Prentice >> Leximation, Inc. >> www.leximation.com >> +1.415.485.1892 >> >> > > -- > Alan T Litchfield > AlphaByte > PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140 > New Zealand > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice >
Can the spelling checker be trusted?
Great ideas, thank you. Sadly I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work. The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it. The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds it when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word. Back to proofing Jenny On May 24, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: >> Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for >> entire book. Did not find error. >> > > Once FM has checked a paragraph, it marks it so that time will not be wasted > checking it again, unless the paragraph itself changes. So if the word is > included in a paragraph that has already been checked and passed, FM will not > find and flag the word. You can reset this behavior by going to Edit> > Spelling Checker and clicking on the Dictionaries button. There you will find > a checkbox for "Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking." This clears the "already > checked spelling" flags in the document. The downside is that the spelling > checker will then refind any words that you checked before, but passed > without actually adding them to your personal dictionary-- and you will be > presented with them again. > > Another thing to check is the paragraph format holding the word. Go to > Paragraph Designer> Fonts tab> Language setting. If it is set to "None," FM > will not check that paragraph for spelling, no matter what you do. Set it to > a language and FM will use the appropriate language dictionary to check it. > > Mike Wickham > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jennygreenleaf at comcast.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jennygreenleaf%40comcast.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Rely on system fonts only
At Tammy's request, complete instructions! These are for Windows XP, SP3. If Windows 7 is much different, maybe someone can revise these. To permanently turn off the Rely on System Fonts Only; Do Not Use Document Fonts setting 1. From the Start menu, choose Printers and Faxes. 2. In the Printers and Faxes window, right-click the Adobe PDF printer and choose Properties. 3. In the Adobe PDF Properties dialog, choose Printing Preferences. 4. In the Adobe PDF Printing Preferences dialog, clear the Rely On System Fonts Only check box. 5. Click OK. 6. In the Adobe PDF Properties dialog, click the Advanced tab. 7. Click Printing Defaults. 8. On the Adobe PDF Settings tab, clear the Rely On System Fonts Only check box. 9. Click OK, then click OK again. Simple and obvious, right? /sarcasm Jenny On May 12, 2010, at 6:41 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: Jenny, Would you mind sharing this information? I too am frustrated with this issue, and it would be a great help to get it locked down to a setting once and for all. thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:29 PM To: Mike Wickham Cc: Frame Users Subject: Re: Rely on system fonts only Rick Quatro told me how to set it at the system level using the Printers and Faxes control panel, but I missed the AdvancedPrinting Defaults one. I have now gone in and found the Advanced and General settings and gotten both of them (they were different, sure enough). Frame even remembers. Thank you! Jenny On May 11, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: Is there any way to keep that option turned off? I have to remember to uncheck it every time I print to my PDF printer. There are two places to set it in the Adobe PDF printer properties. Are you setting both? General Printing Preferences Adobe PDF Settings Advanced Printing Defaults Adobe PDF Settings Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Rely on system fonts only
At Tammy's request, complete instructions! These are for Windows XP, SP3. If Windows 7 is much different, maybe someone can revise these. To permanently turn off the Rely on System Fonts Only; Do Not Use Document Fonts setting 1. From the Start menu, choose Printers and Faxes. 2. In the Printers and Faxes window, right-click the Adobe PDF printer and choose Properties. 3. In the Adobe PDF Properties dialog, choose Printing Preferences. 4. In the Adobe PDF Printing Preferences dialog, clear the Rely On System Fonts Only check box. 5. Click OK. 6. In the Adobe PDF Properties dialog, click the Advanced tab. 7. Click Printing Defaults. 8. On the Adobe PDF Settings tab, clear the Rely On System Fonts Only check box. 9. Click OK, then click OK again. Simple and obvious, right? /sarcasm Jenny On May 12, 2010, at 6:41 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: > Jenny, > > Would you mind sharing this information? I too am frustrated with this > issue, and it would be a great help to get it "locked down" to a setting > once and for all. > > thanks! > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > info at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:29 PM > To: Mike Wickham > Cc: Frame Users > Subject: Re: Rely on system fonts only > > Rick Quatro told me how to set it at the system level using the Printers and > Faxes control panel, but I missed the Advanced>Printing Defaults one. > > I have now gone in and found the Advanced and General settings and gotten > both of them (they were different, sure enough). > > Frame even remembers. > > Thank you! > > Jenny > > On May 11, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > >> >>> Is there any way to keep that option turned off? I have to remember to > uncheck it every time I print to my PDF printer. >> >> There are two places to set it in the Adobe PDF printer properties. Are > you setting both? >> >> General> Printing Preferences> Adobe PDF Settings >> >> Advanced> Printing Defaults> Adobe PDF Settings >> >> Mike Wickham >> >> > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as info at spectrumwritingllc.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll > c.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Rely on system fonts only
Is there any way to keep that option turned off? I have to remember to uncheck it every time I print to my PDF printer. Sometimes it will hold it for the same document for a couple hours. Unless you use a different printer in the meantime. It's rather annoying and I am wondering if some of the smart people on this list have figured out how to make it stay off. Hoping... Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR On May 11, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Callie Bertsche wrote: Thanks to the people who sent me great sample scripts and links to framescript forum! I figured out my problem - I had Adobe PDF set as my default printer, but I also needed to go to the preferences for the Adobe PDF printer and turn off Rely on system fonts only... I thought I had done that already but it needed to be done again. Now my script works fine! Hurray for PDF build automation... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Rely on system fonts only
Rick Quatro told me how to set it at the system level using the Printers and Faxes control panel, but I missed the AdvancedPrinting Defaults one. I have now gone in and found the Advanced and General settings and gotten both of them (they were different, sure enough). Frame even remembers. Thank you! Jenny On May 11, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: Is there any way to keep that option turned off? I have to remember to uncheck it every time I print to my PDF printer. There are two places to set it in the Adobe PDF printer properties. Are you setting both? General Printing Preferences Adobe PDF Settings Advanced Printing Defaults Adobe PDF Settings Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Rely on system fonts only
Is there any way to keep that option turned off? I have to remember to uncheck it every time I print to my PDF printer. Sometimes it will hold it for the same document for a couple hours. Unless you use a different printer in the meantime. It's rather annoying and I am wondering if some of the smart people on this list have figured out how to make it stay off. Hoping... Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR On May 11, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Callie Bertsche wrote: > Thanks to the people who sent me great sample scripts and links to > framescript forum! I figured out my problem - I had Adobe PDF set as my > default printer, but I also needed to go to the preferences for the Adobe PDF > printer and turn off "Rely on system fonts only..." I thought I had done that > already but it needed to be done again. Now my script works fine! Hurray for > PDF build automation... >
Can you put a fillable PDF in a Frame document?
Helpful beings, I am documenting a product that requires some planning before implementing. I developed some nifty forms using Adobe LiveCycle Designer. I am making the forms available as a separate package on the documentation CD as well as the company support site. Customers can fill in the forms and save them with the data. I have copies of the forms in an appendix to my manual. I have been just importing the PDFs, like graphics, which leaves them static, i.e., the customers cannot fill them out online. It would be nice for the customers to be able to fill the forms out in the manual and save them with data without having to use the separate forms package. There seem to be several ways to import PDFs, but I haven't stumbled across the right combination yet to create forms that can be filled out in Acrobat Reader. I know I can splice the separate PDFs in later, but I'd like to have them generated when I print the book to PDF. I also know that I have to enable form filling in the final PDF. Is that possible? Has anyone done this? Tips or tricks much appreciated! Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can you put a fillable PDF in a Frame document?
Thanks, Rick. You've saved me a lot of time trying different things. This project doesn't warrant spending that much of my own money (I buy all my own software) and I don't think my client would want me to spend time to re-create the forms in Frame, so this won't work for me for this project, at least. I was hoping there was way to do this using all Adobe tools. You can insert a LiveCycle Designer object (FileImportObject) into a Frame file. Has anyone tried that? Jenny On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Jenny, When you import the PDF files into FrameMaker, they will be treated as static graphics with no interactivity. The only way I know of to do this is to create your forms in FrameMaker. Then you add Hypertext markers using MicroType's TimeSavers with Forms Assistant; you add special codes to these markers, and when you create the PDF, these will create the appropriate form fields on the fly. There are main things to consider: 1) You have to design your forms in FrameMaker using objects like tables, text frames, etc. Certain forms can be difficult to create in FrameMaker. 2) You have to have TimeSavers and Forms Assistant installed when you distill the file (http://www.microtype.com). The advantages are that you can single source your forms and other content using FrameMaker. And you can change the look and feel of your form and redistill, and not have to recreate your form fields. I recently did a couple of forms like this and was pretty happy with the results. It was especially worthwhile when I had to make changes to the look of the form. I resized the table containing my form items, added a couple of extra columns, and when I created the new PDF, my form fields were in the right place at the right size. Very slick. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:50 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Can you put a fillable PDF in a Frame document? Helpful beings, I am documenting a product that requires some planning before implementing. I developed some nifty forms using Adobe LiveCycle Designer. I am making the forms available as a separate package on the documentation CD as well as the company support site. Customers can fill in the forms and save them with the data. I have copies of the forms in an appendix to my manual. I have been just importing the PDFs, like graphics, which leaves them static, i.e., the customers cannot fill them out online. It would be nice for the customers to be able to fill the forms out in the manual and save them with data without having to use the separate forms package. There seem to be several ways to import PDFs, but I haven't stumbled across the right combination yet to create forms that can be filled out in Acrobat Reader. I know I can splice the separate PDFs in later, but I'd like to have them generated when I print the book to PDF. I also know that I have to enable form filling in the final PDF. Is that possible? Has anyone done this? Tips or tricks much appreciated! Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Can you put a fillable PDF in a Frame document?
Helpful beings, I am documenting a product that requires some planning before implementing. I developed some nifty forms using Adobe LiveCycle Designer. I am making the forms available as a separate package on the documentation CD as well as the company support site. Customers can fill in the forms and save them with the data. I have copies of the forms in an appendix to my manual. I have been just importing the PDFs, like graphics, which leaves them static, i.e., the customers cannot fill them out online. It would be nice for the customers to be able to fill the forms out in the manual and save them with data without having to use the separate forms package. There seem to be several ways to import PDFs, but I haven't stumbled across the right combination yet to create forms that can be filled out in Acrobat Reader. I know I can splice the separate PDFs in later, but I'd like to have them generated when I print the book to PDF. I also know that I have to enable form filling in the final PDF. Is that possible? Has anyone done this? Tips or tricks much appreciated! Jenny
Can you put a fillable PDF in a Frame document?
Thanks, Rick. You've saved me a lot of time trying different things. This project doesn't warrant spending that much of my own money (I buy all my own software) and I don't think my client would want me to spend time to re-create the forms in Frame, so this won't work for me for this project, at least. I was hoping there was way to do this using all Adobe tools. You can insert a LiveCycle Designer "object" (File>Import>Object) into a Frame file. Has anyone tried that? Jenny On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Jenny, > > When you import the PDF files into FrameMaker, they will be treated as > static graphics with no interactivity. The only way I know of to do this is > to create your forms in FrameMaker. Then you add Hypertext markers using > MicroType's TimeSavers with Forms Assistant; you add special codes to these > markers, and when you create the PDF, these will create the appropriate form > fields on the fly. There are main things to consider: > > 1) You have to design your forms in FrameMaker using objects like tables, > text frames, etc. Certain forms can be difficult to create in FrameMaker. > > 2) You have to have TimeSavers and Forms Assistant installed when you > distill the file (http://www.microtype.com). > > The advantages are that you can single source your forms and other content > using FrameMaker. And you can change the look and feel of your form and > redistill, and not have to recreate your form fields. > > I recently did a couple of forms like this and was pretty happy with the > results. It was especially worthwhile when I had to make changes to the look > of the form. I resized the table containing my form items, added a couple of > extra columns, and when I created the new PDF, my form fields were in the > right place at the right size. Very slick. > > Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very > much. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > 585-659-8267 > rick at frameexpert.com > > *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com > > > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:50 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Can you put a fillable PDF in a Frame document? > > Helpful beings, > > I am documenting a product that requires some planning before implementing. > I developed some nifty forms using Adobe LiveCycle Designer. I am making the > forms available as a separate package on the documentation CD as well as the > company support site. Customers can fill in the forms and save them with the > data. > > I have copies of the forms in an appendix to my manual. I have been just > importing the PDFs, like graphics, which leaves them static, i.e., the > customers cannot fill them out online. It would be nice for the customers to > be able to fill the forms out in the manual and save them with data without > having to use the separate forms package. > > There seem to be several ways to import PDFs, but I haven't stumbled across > the right combination yet to create forms that can be filled out in Acrobat > Reader. > > I know I can splice the separate PDFs in later, but I'd like to have them > generated when I print the book to PDF. I also know that I have to enable > form filling in the final PDF. > > Is that possible? Has anyone done this? Tips or tricks much appreciated! > > Jenny > > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as rick at rickquatro.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Re: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
Unfortunately, the workaround doesn't solve my problem. The character format is only applied to a single word in the middle of a few cross references. What I don't understand is why the cross reference is correct when I apply it, but Frame has to change it on update. Oh well. I certainly know where they all are now. Jenny On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Baruch Brodersen wrote: On Dec. 8 2008 Shlomo Perets addressed this issue: When the cross-reference format uses multiple character formats, the book's Generate/Update function ignores the first one. (This applies to FM5 through FM8). Workaround: Create a single character format that has all the properties you need, and modify the cross-reference format accordingly. The first character format is the one applied to the text itself. The second is found in the cross-reference format. When you update, the first character format (small caps) is removed. Baruch Brodersen On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Jenny Greenleaf aliceme...@comcast.net wrote: Interesting idea, Matt, I set up a simple test, and the answer is no, it doesn't hold the format. I changed one of the link formats to have no character formatting at all. Applied the cross-reference. Term was happily in small caps. Updated the book, and WHAM, it's back to normal case. I also tried taking the variable out and just setting the term in small caps in the referenced text. In this case, the small caps didn't appear in the cross-reference. Next, I used a small caps character style on the text. It made a small-caps cross-reference, but then lost the formatting on an update. Oh well, at least i know about it now and can go find and fix, then PDF quickly. I also had to turn off automatic updating, as it would hose the formats just on printing to PDF. Jenny On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote: If I understand Jenny's question, the Xref is losing the formatting provided in the variable. If that's the case, I doubt you'll be able to get the xref formatting you're looking for. The xref only has the option of formatting the $paratext, not specific parts of the paratext. If you remove character formatting (like Emphasis) from the xref format, does it hold the formatting from the variable? -Matt Matt Sullivan 714 585-2335 cell /txt/sms 714 960-6840 office skype: mattrsullivan mattrsullivan.wordpress.com linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan twitter.com/mattrsullivan -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Spectrum Writing Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:22 PM To: 'Jenny Greenleaf'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 As Alan state: The application of styles used is sequential, so one style is used until it is replaced by another, until the end of the cross reference when it returns the paragraph default. That should mean that you should be able to use the Default setting building block, then the small caps style building block, then default again. for example, for some of x-refs that I only want part to appear in Blue: See LinkFigure $paranumonly Default ¶ Font below.Default ¶ Font So only the word Figure and its number appear in blue. The word below does not. HTH, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is a Frame 9 bug. I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that are set in small caps. When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted correctly. When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small caps are no longer in small caps. I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my eyes. Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as i...@spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com
Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
Unfortunately, the workaround doesn't solve my problem. The character format is only applied to a single word in the middle of a few cross references. What I don't understand is why the cross reference is correct when I apply it, but Frame has to change it on update. Oh well. I certainly know where they all are now. Jenny On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Baruch Brodersen wrote: > On Dec. 8 2008 Shlomo Perets addressed this issue: > "When the cross-reference format uses multiple character formats, the book's > Generate/Update function ignores the first one. > (This applies to FM5 through FM8). > "Workaround: Create a single character format that has all the properties you > need, and modify the cross-reference format accordingly." > The first character format is the one applied to the text itself. The second > is found in the cross-reference format. When you update, the first character > format (small caps) is removed. > Baruch Brodersen > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Jenny Greenleaf > wrote: > Interesting idea, Matt, > > I set up a simple test, and the answer is no, it doesn't hold the format. > > I changed one of the link formats to have no character formatting at all. > Applied the cross-reference. Term was happily in small caps. Updated the > book, and WHAM, it's back to normal case. > > I also tried taking the variable out and just setting the term in small caps > in the referenced text. In this case, the small caps didn't appear in the > cross-reference. > > Next, I used a small caps character style on the text. It made a small-caps > cross-reference, but then lost the formatting on an update. > > Oh well, at least i know about it now and can go find and fix, then PDF > quickly. I also had to turn off automatic updating, as it would hose the > formats just on printing to PDF. > > > Jenny > > > On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote: > > > If I understand Jenny's question, the Xref is losing the formatting provided > > in the variable. > > > > If that's the case, I doubt you'll be able to get the xref formatting you're > > looking for. The xref only has the option of formatting the <$paratext>, not > > specific parts of the paratext. > > > > If you remove character formatting (like ) from the xref format, > > does it hold the formatting from the variable? > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > Matt Sullivan > > > > > > 714 585-2335 cell /txt/sms > > 714 960-6840 office > > skype: mattrsullivan > > > > mattrsullivan.wordpress.com > > linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan > > twitter.com/mattrsullivan > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Spectrum > > Writing > > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:22 PM > > To: 'Jenny Greenleaf'; framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: RE: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 > > > > As Alan state: > > > > The application of styles used is sequential, so one style is used until it > > is replaced by another, until the end of the cross reference when it returns > > the paragraph default. That should mean that you should be able to use the > > Default setting building block, then the small caps style building block, > > then default again. > > > > for example, for some of x-refs that I only want part to appear in Blue: > > > > See Figure <$paranumonly> below. > > > > So only the word Figure and its number appear in blue. The word "below" does > > not. > > > > HTH, > > > > TVB > > > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Owner/Principal > > Spectrum Writing, LLC > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > info at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny > > Greenleaf > > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 > > > > OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is > > a Frame 9 bug. > > > > I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs > > (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that > > are s
Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is a Frame 9 bug. I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that are set in small caps. When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted correctly. When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small caps are no longer in small caps. I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my eyes. Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
Thanks, Alan. I looked at that approach, but I can't apply the character format in the cross-reference definition, because other words in the cross reference are not set in small caps. There is another character format applied to the x-ref...maybe they are clashing? The references are like this: Chapter 7, Use SmallCap Thing In this case, I only want the word SmallCap in small capsit's a product name. The client is really into it. I have a Character Style that defines small caps. The words that are set in small caps are set up as variables, using the SmallCaps style. When I create the chapter titles/headings, I simply inserted the correctly formatted variable. The variable is formatted as T TitleProductNameDefault Para Font. What I don't understand is why they are in the proper format when I insert them, and then change when I generate TOC/Index. For now, I've fixed them by hand and turned off automatic updating. That's going to bite me, at some point, so I'd like to resolve it. Jenny On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote: You need to create a Character Style that defines Small Caps, then in the cross reference definition apply it there. From Help it says: Including character formats in cross-references All formats in the document’s Character Catalog appear at the end of the Building Blocks scroll list. You insert them as you do other building blocks. If you don’t insert a character format in a cross-reference format, FrameMaker uses the font at the insertion point when a cross-reference is inserted with that format. If you change the character format for the cross-reference, the change applies only to the cross-reference, not to the text following it in the paragraph. Don’t use a character tag that includes angle brackets (#8194;). Cheers Alan Jenny Greenleaf wrote: OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is a Frame 9 bug. I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that are set in small caps. When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted correctly. When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small caps are no longer in small caps. I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my eyes. Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
Well, theoretically, here's what's happening. This is the cross-reference format definition: (Link is a character format for blue italic text) Link$paranumonly, $paratext The actual contents of $paratext is Using SmallCap Where SmallCap is a variable with a character style applied to it. So, to parse it through...turns on blue text, inserts the paranum, finds the paratext, uses part of the paratext, starts small caps, puts in variable, goes back to default para font, inserts the rest of the para text,. It works fine when I insert a ref, but reverts to plain blue text when I update. I can select the reference after it's changed to normal text and reapply the cross reference--that fixes it. Until I need to update the book. I don't see how I can use the cross-reference definition to fix this, since I have four terms that have to be in small caps. They can appear at any point in the paratext for the cross reference. I'd like to keep the terms in variables since they're product names and a pain to type. Jenny On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Spectrum Writing wrote: As Alan state: The application of styles used is sequential, so one style is used until it is replaced by another, until the end of the cross reference when it returns the paragraph default. That should mean that you should be able to use the Default setting building block, then the small caps style building block, then default again. for example, for some of x-refs that I only want part to appear in Blue: See LinkFigure $paranumonly Default ¶ Font below.Default ¶ Font So only the word Figure and its number appear in blue. The word below does not. HTH, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is a Frame 9 bug. I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that are set in small caps. When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted correctly. When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small caps are no longer in small caps. I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my eyes. Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as i...@spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
Interesting idea, Matt, I set up a simple test, and the answer is no, it doesn't hold the format. I changed one of the link formats to have no character formatting at all. Applied the cross-reference. Term was happily in small caps. Updated the book, and WHAM, it's back to normal case. I also tried taking the variable out and just setting the term in small caps in the referenced text. In this case, the small caps didn't appear in the cross-reference. Next, I used a small caps character style on the text. It made a small-caps cross-reference, but then lost the formatting on an update. Oh well, at least i know about it now and can go find and fix, then PDF quickly. I also had to turn off automatic updating, as it would hose the formats just on printing to PDF. Jenny On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote: If I understand Jenny's question, the Xref is losing the formatting provided in the variable. If that's the case, I doubt you'll be able to get the xref formatting you're looking for. The xref only has the option of formatting the $paratext, not specific parts of the paratext. If you remove character formatting (like Emphasis) from the xref format, does it hold the formatting from the variable? -Matt Matt Sullivan 714 585-2335 cell /txt/sms 714 960-6840 office skype: mattrsullivan mattrsullivan.wordpress.com linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan twitter.com/mattrsullivan -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Spectrum Writing Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:22 PM To: 'Jenny Greenleaf'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 As Alan state: The application of styles used is sequential, so one style is used until it is replaced by another, until the end of the cross reference when it returns the paragraph default. That should mean that you should be able to use the Default setting building block, then the small caps style building block, then default again. for example, for some of x-refs that I only want part to appear in Blue: See LinkFigure $paranumonly Default ¶ Font below.Default ¶ Font So only the word Figure and its number appear in blue. The word below does not. HTH, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is a Frame 9 bug. I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that are set in small caps. When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted correctly. When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small caps are no longer in small caps. I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my eyes. Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as i...@spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as m...@grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http
Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is a Frame 9 bug. I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that are set in small caps. When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted correctly. When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small caps are no longer in small caps. I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my eyes. Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. Jenny
Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
Thanks, Alan. I looked at that approach, but I can't apply the character format in the cross-reference definition, because other words in the cross reference are not set in small caps. There is another character format applied to the x-ref...maybe they are clashing? The references are like this: Chapter 7, Use SmallCap Thing In this case, I only want the word SmallCap in small capsit's a product name. The client is really into it. I have a Character Style that defines small caps. The words that are set in small caps are set up as variables, using the SmallCaps style. When I create the chapter titles/headings, I simply inserted the correctly formatted variable. The variable is formatted as ProductName. What I don't understand is why they are in the proper format when I insert them, and then change when I generate TOC/Index. For now, I've fixed them by hand and turned off automatic updating. That's going to bite me, at some point, so I'd like to resolve it. Jenny On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote: > You need to create a Character Style that defines Small Caps, then in the > cross reference definition apply it there. From Help it says: > > "Including character formats in cross-references > > "All formats in the document?s Character Catalog appear at the end of the > Building Blocks scroll list. You insert them as you do other building blocks. > > "If you don?t insert a character format in a cross-reference format, > FrameMaker uses the font at the insertion point when a cross-reference is > inserted with that format. If you change the character format for the > cross-reference, the change applies only to the cross-reference, not to the > text following it in the paragraph. > > "Don?t use a character tag that includes angle brackets (<>)." > > Cheers > Alan > > > Jenny Greenleaf wrote: >> OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is >> a >> Frame 9 bug. >> >> I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs >> (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that are >> set in small caps. >> >> When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted >> correctly. >> >> When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small >> caps are no longer in small caps. >> >> I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the >> cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch >> the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my >> eyes. >> >> Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during >> the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. >> >> Jenny >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as alan at alphabyte.co.nz. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> > > > -- > Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS > AlphaByte > PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice >
Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
Well, theoretically, here's what's happening. This is the cross-reference format definition: (Link is a character format for blue italic text) <$paranumonly>, <$paratext> The actual contents of <$paratext> is Using Where SmallCap is a variable with a character style applied to it. So, to parse it through...turns on blue text, inserts the paranum, finds the paratext, uses part of the paratext, starts small caps, puts in variable, goes back to default para font, inserts the rest of the para text,. It works fine when I insert a ref, but reverts to plain blue text when I update. I can select the reference after it's changed to normal text and reapply the cross reference--that fixes it. Until I need to update the book. I don't see how I can use the cross-reference definition to fix this, since I have four terms that have to be in small caps. They can appear at any point in the paratext for the cross reference. I'd like to keep the terms in variables since they're product names and a pain to type. Jenny On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Spectrum Writing wrote: > As Alan state: > > The application of styles used is sequential, so one style is used until it > is replaced by another, until the end of the cross reference when it returns > the paragraph default. That should mean that you should be able to use the > Default setting building block, then the small caps style building block, > then default again. > > for example, for some of x-refs that I only want part to appear in Blue: > > See Figure <$paranumonly> below. > > So only the word Figure and its number appear in blue. The word "below" does > not. > > HTH, > > TVB > > > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > info at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > -Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 > > OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is > a Frame 9 bug. > > I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs > (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that > are set in small caps. > > When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted > correctly. > > When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small > caps are no longer in small caps. > > I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the > cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch > the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my > eyes. > > Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during > the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. > > Jenny > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as info at spectrumwritingllc.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll > c.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Cross-reference formatting, Part 2
Interesting idea, Matt, I set up a simple test, and the answer is no, it doesn't hold the format. I changed one of the link formats to have no character formatting at all. Applied the cross-reference. Term was happily in small caps. Updated the book, and WHAM, it's back to normal case. I also tried taking the variable out and just setting the term in small caps in the referenced text. In this case, the small caps didn't appear in the cross-reference. Next, I used a small caps character style on the text. It made a small-caps cross-reference, but then lost the formatting on an update. Oh well, at least i know about it now and can go find and fix, then PDF quickly. I also had to turn off automatic updating, as it would hose the formats just on printing to PDF. Jenny On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote: > If I understand Jenny's question, the Xref is losing the formatting provided > in the variable. > > If that's the case, I doubt you'll be able to get the xref formatting you're > looking for. The xref only has the option of formatting the <$paratext>, not > specific parts of the paratext. > > If you remove character formatting (like ) from the xref format, > does it hold the formatting from the variable? > > > -Matt > > > > Matt Sullivan > > > 714 585-2335 cell /txt/sms > 714 960-6840 office > skype: mattrsullivan > > mattrsullivan.wordpress.com > linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan > twitter.com/mattrsullivan > > > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Spectrum Writing > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:22 PM > To: 'Jenny Greenleaf'; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 > > As Alan state: > > The application of styles used is sequential, so one style is used until it > is replaced by another, until the end of the cross reference when it returns > the paragraph default. That should mean that you should be able to use the > Default setting building block, then the small caps style building block, > then default again. > > for example, for some of x-refs that I only want part to appear in Blue: > > See Figure <$paranumonly> below. > > So only the word Figure and its number appear in blue. The word "below" does > not. > > HTH, > > TVB > > > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > info at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:45 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Cross-reference formatting, Part 2 > > OK, maybe I'm not crazy. I'm completely missing something, or maybe this is > a Frame 9 bug. > > I have several cross-references in my document that reference paragraphs > (e.g., chapter titles, headings). These paragraphs contain variables that > are set in small caps. > > When I apply the cross-reference, it's fine. Everything is formatted > correctly. > > When I generate/update the book, the words that are supposed to be in small > caps are no longer in small caps. > > I find the references that are supposed to have small caps and re-apply the > cross-reference. All is fineuntil I generate the book again. I can watch > the font change as soon as I click the generate icon. Right in front of my > eyes. > > Ideas? Any way to make this stop? It's terribly annoying, especially during > the endgame. My deadline is tomorrow. > > Jenny > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as info at spectrumwritingllc.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll > c.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as matt at grafixtraining.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co > m > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Small caps in the middle of a cross reference
The boss has decreed that the product names will appear in small caps. I have a couple of cross references that refer to chapter titles containing these product names. Although the name is in small caps in the chapter title, it is not in small caps in the cross reference. The references are Chapter 2, Get started with MyProduct and Chapter 7, Use MyOtherProduct. I poked at the manual and the CR dialog a bit. The manual tells you how to add character formatting, but only to the X-ref as a whole. I just need small caps for one word. I can put up with any sort of workaround, since it's only two and it's very important to my employer. Ideas? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Small caps in the middle of a cross reference
Thank you. I was really getting confused because, as it turned out, I had several of these, and most of them were behaving properly. I looked at the headings, and sure enough, the appropriate terms were in small caps and always had been. I re-applied the cross-reference and that seems to have fixed it. Jenny On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:40 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: 1. Create a character tag call SmCaps. 2. In the heading that will be the cross-reference destination, apply the SmCaps char tag to the word or words you want to appear as SmCaps. (I use HTML-like tags in the below example to represent wrapping SmCaps around specific word(s) in the Chapter Titles.) Chapter 2, Get started with SmCapsMyProduct/SmCaps Chapter 7, Use SmCapsMyOtherProduct/SmCaps 3. Create your cross-reference linking to the chapter title. The result should have the word or words you applied the character tag to should display as small caps in the cross reference. You shouldn't have to make any changes to your cross-reference formats themselves. This worked for me in my testing. David Spreadbury Sr. Technical Writer -Original Message- From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenl...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:29 PM To: David Spreadbury Subject: Re: Small caps in the middle of a cross reference Hi David, I have a really bad cold and a Friday deadline. I'm not thinking as well as I could be! Can you be more specific? I can't select a single word in the generated reference. Are you doing this in the cross-reference dialog? I'm using a paragraph cross-reference format that's specified as: M Mixed $paranum, paratext Default Para Font. M Mixed generates a blue italic font for the cross reference. paranum pulls in the chapter number, and paratext, the title of the chapter. I can't apply a tag to paratext, since the small caps is only one word. Obviously, there's something that I'm not getting Jenny On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:21 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: Jenny, You might be looking to fix the problem in the wrong area. I went and experimented with applying a SmCaps Character Tag to a word in an existing cross-reference and then I updated my cross-references. The word came across as SmCaps while the remainder of the cross reference retained the default xref font. David Spreadbury Sr. Technical Writer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:07 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Small caps in the middle of a cross reference The boss has decreed that the product names will appear in small caps. I have a couple of cross references that refer to chapter titles containing these product names. Although the name is in small caps in the chapter title, it is not in small caps in the cross reference. The references are Chapter 2, Get started with MyProduct and Chapter 7, Use MyOtherProduct. I poked at the manual and the CR dialog a bit. The manual tells you how to add character formatting, but only to the X-ref as a whole. I just need small caps for one word. I can put up with any sort of workaround, since it's only two and it's very important to my employer. Ideas? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Small caps in the middle of a cross reference
The boss has decreed that the product names will appear in small caps. I have a couple of cross references that refer to chapter titles containing these product names. Although the name is in small caps in the chapter title, it is not in small caps in the cross reference. The references are "Chapter 2, Get started with MyProduct" and "Chapter 7, Use MyOtherProduct". I poked at the manual and the CR dialog a bit. The manual tells you how to add character formatting, but only to the X-ref as a whole. I just need small caps for one word. I can put up with any sort of workaround, since it's only two and it's very important to my employer. Ideas? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR
Small caps in the middle of a cross reference
Thank you. I was really getting confused because, as it turned out, I had several of these, and most of them were behaving properly. I looked at the headings, and sure enough, the appropriate terms were in small caps and always had been. I re-applied the cross-reference and that seems to have fixed it. Jenny On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:40 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: > 1. Create a character tag call SmCaps. > 2. In the heading that will be the cross-reference destination, apply the > SmCaps char tag to the word or words you want to appear as SmCaps. (I use > HTML-like tags in the below example to represent wrapping SmCaps around > specific word(s) in the Chapter Titles.) > > "Chapter 2, Get started with MyProduct" > "Chapter 7, Use MyOtherProduct" > > 3. Create your cross-reference linking to the chapter title. > The result should have the word or words you applied the character tag to > should display as small caps in the cross reference. > > You shouldn't have to make any changes to your cross-reference formats > themselves. > This worked for me in my testing. > > > David Spreadbury > Sr. Technical Writer > > > -Original Message- > From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenleaf at mac.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:29 PM > To: David Spreadbury > Subject: Re: Small caps in the middle of a cross reference > > Hi David, > > I have a really bad cold and a Friday deadline. I'm not thinking as well as > I could be! > > Can you be more specific? I can't select a single word in the generated > reference. Are you doing this in the cross-reference dialog? > > I'm using a paragraph cross-reference format that's specified as: > <$paranum>, . > > M Mixed generates a blue italic font for the cross reference. paranum pulls > in the chapter number, and paratext, the title of the chapter. I can't > apply a tag to paratext, since the small caps is only one word. > > Obviously, there's something that I'm not getting > > Jenny > > > > On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:21 PM, David Spreadbury wrote: > >> Jenny, >> You might be looking to fix the problem in the wrong area. >> >> I went and experimented with applying a SmCaps Character Tag to a word in > an >> existing cross-reference and then I updated my cross-references. >> >> The word came across as SmCaps while the remainder of the cross reference >> retained the default xref font. >> >> David Spreadbury >> Sr. Technical Writer >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com >> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:07 PM >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Subject: Small caps in the middle of a cross reference >> >> The boss has decreed that the product names will appear in small caps. >> >> I have a couple of cross references that refer to chapter titles > containing >> these product names. Although the name is in small caps in the chapter >> title, it is not in small caps in the cross reference. The references are >> "Chapter 2, Get started with MyProduct" and "Chapter 7, Use > MyOtherProduct". >> >> I poked at the manual and the CR dialog a bit. The manual tells you how to >> add character formatting, but only to the X-ref as a whole. I just need >> small caps for one word. >> >> I can put up with any sort of workaround, since it's only two and it's > very >> important to my employer. >> >> Ideas? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Jenny Greenleaf >> Portland, OR >> >> > >
Re: Frame 9 Scroll Bar Lockup
I see the scrollbar lockup all the time. Drives me crazy, but at least the scroll wheel on my mouse works when the scroll bar stops working. I have found that if I select another document tab, then re-select the one I was working in, the scroll bar will start working again. Sometimes. I thought maybe it was an artifact of my setup--running on a Mac with VMWare Fusion. Apparently not. It also drives me crazy that you can't set tabs in the Paragraph Designer while it is attached to the dock at the side. You have to float it. I spent quite a bit of time gnashing my teeth over that one until I figured it out. Not sure if they just laid off their entire QA team, or what. Is there someplace official that we can report bugs? Jenny On Nov 24, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Oran Petersen wrote: I am using Frame 9 from a TCS2 package (XP). For me the many qwirks and bugs in the new interface have been less than pleasurable. I finally have a saved workspace that I can live with. One bug that is very frustrating for me is the vertical scroll bar locking up and becoming inoperable using the mouse. Clicking above or below the elevator does nothing. Attempting to drag the elevator does nothing. One solution I have found is untabbing the file, but what a pain. The lockup is not 100 percent. The scroll will work OK, and then just stop, presumably because of some action that I have not been able to determine. So instead of doing my work I find myself playing with it to get it back. Has anyone else seen this and have a better solution to get it back, or better yet to stop the lockup? Also, has anyone reported the change of behavior with the Fit Window to Page relationship to Zoom? Before Frame 9, after selecting Fit Window you could change the zoom and the Fit would follow automatically as long as you did not manually change the fit with the mouse. With Frame 9 this no longer works. You must often re-select the Fit after each zoom, but again not 100 percent of the time . A minor nuance, but new interfaces should not break existing functionality. With Frame 9 the interface broke a number of things. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenl...@mac.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame 9 Scroll Bar Lockup
I see the scrollbar lockup all the time. Drives me crazy, but at least the scroll wheel on my mouse works when the scroll bar stops working. I have found that if I select another document tab, then re-select the one I was working in, the scroll bar will start working again. Sometimes. I thought maybe it was an artifact of my setup--running on a Mac with VMWare Fusion. Apparently not. It also drives me crazy that you can't set tabs in the Paragraph Designer while it is attached to the dock at the side. You have to float it. I spent quite a bit of time gnashing my teeth over that one until I figured it out. Not sure if they just laid off their entire QA team, or what. Is there someplace official that we can report bugs? Jenny On Nov 24, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Oran Petersen wrote: > > > > I am using Frame 9 from a TCS2 package (XP). For me the many qwirks and bugs > in the new interface have been less than pleasurable. I finally have a saved > workspace that I can live with. > > One bug that is very frustrating for me is the vertical scroll bar locking up > and becoming inoperable using the mouse. Clicking above or below the elevator > does nothing. Attempting to drag the elevator does nothing. One solution I > have found is untabbing the file, but what a pain. The lockup is not 100 > percent. The scroll will work OK, and then just stop, presumably because of > some action that I have not been able to determine. So instead of doing my > work I find myself playing with it to get it back. Has anyone else seen this > and have a better solution to get it back, or better yet to stop the lockup? > > > > Also, has anyone reported the "change of behavior" with the "Fit Window to > Page" relationship to Zoom? Before Frame 9, after selecting "Fit Window" you > could change the zoom and the "Fit" would follow automatically as long as you > did not manually change the fit with the mouse. With Frame 9 this no longer > works. You must often re-select the "Fit" after each zoom, but again not 100 > percent of the time . A minor nuance, but new interfaces should not break > existing functionality. With Frame 9 the interface broke a number of things. > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenleaf at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Adobe update number vs patch number
Thank you! That makes perfect sense. Not. Sometimes I wonder how much Adobe cares about FrameMaker. Are they as sloppy with the rest of their products? Jenny On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Shlomo Perets wrote: Jenny, You wrote: Can someone decode the Adobe update numbers for me? I wanted to make sure I had the latest updates for my Framemaker 9 installation. Autoupdate doesn't show any necessary updates, but others have reported that it doesn't always. The support site has 9.01, 9.02, 9.03. My version is 9.0p250. ... 9.0.0 = 9.0p196 9.0.1 = 9.0p230 9.0.2 = 9.0p237 9.0.3 = 9.0p250 Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/TCS training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/ Assistants . Graphics Video in PDFs 1-hour webinar (free) Tuesday, November 24, 2009, starting 10am PST | 1pm EST | 6pm UTC | 8pm Israel https://student.gototraining.com/4b34y/register/5808052943743757771 . ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Adobe update number vs patch number
Thank you! That makes perfect sense. Not. Sometimes I wonder how much Adobe cares about FrameMaker. Are they as sloppy with the rest of their products? Jenny On Nov 12, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Shlomo Perets wrote: > Jenny, > > You wrote: > >> Can someone decode the Adobe update numbers for me? I wanted to make >> sure I had the latest updates for my Framemaker 9 installation. >> >> Autoupdate doesn't show any necessary updates, but others have >> reported that it doesn't always. >> >> The support site has 9.01, 9.02, 9.03. >> >> My version is 9.0p250. ... > > > 9.0.0 = 9.0p196 > 9.0.1 = 9.0p230 > 9.0.2 = 9.0p237 > 9.0.3 = 9.0p250 > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType, http://www.microtype.com > FrameMaker/TCS training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/ > Assistants > . > "Graphics & Video in PDFs" 1-hour webinar (free) > Tuesday, November 24, 2009, starting 10am PST | 1pm EST | 6pm UTC | > 8pm Israel > https://student.gototraining.com/4b34y/register/5808052943743757771 > . > > >
Adobe update number vs patch number
Can someone decode the Adobe update numbers for me? I wanted to make sure I had the latest updates for my Framemaker 9 installation. Autoupdate doesn't show any necessary updates, but others have reported that it doesn't always. The support site has 9.01, 9.02, 9.03. My version is 9.0p250. Thanks. As always--the members of this list are incredibly helpful. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Adobe update number vs patch number
Can someone decode the Adobe update numbers for me? I wanted to make sure I had the latest updates for my Framemaker 9 installation. Autoupdate doesn't show any necessary updates, but others have reported that it doesn't always. The support site has 9.01, 9.02, 9.03. My version is 9.0p250. Thanks. As always--the members of this list are incredibly helpful. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR
Re: 6 CDs remaining for 30 day trial of Adobe TCS2 - all gone!
These are readily available from Adobe. I got one and gave it to my client in case I get hit by a truck. Since they don't have Frame 9 anywhere in the office (it comes in with me and my laptop), they'd be in a jam if they needed to get something done quickly and I was incapacitated. With the trial CD, they can run it and get something done while going through the process to order a copy. I thought it was a nice gesture to be able to make. The client appreciates it. It's well worth having one of these around! Jenny On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: I was inundated with requests and I just responded in the order received. however, if all the requestors don't send in an SASE, I post again. FWIW, you might still be able to get a free CD from Adobe - you don't have to download from the site (I was informed of this offlist so I hope it does work!) Thanks and I wish I could send everyone that asked for one a copy - that's the part about this that I hate!! Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC email: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com web: www.spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Key combo for Keep with Next?
One of the things I do frequently is set paragraphs to keep with next. Is there a key combination to perform this task? I have looked through the Frame User Guide, which lists a lot of key combinations, but didn't see this one. I'm using Frame 9. Thanks! Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Key combo for Keep with Next?
One of the things I do frequently is set paragraphs to keep with next. Is there a key combination to perform this task? I have looked through the Frame User Guide, which lists a lot of key combinations, but didn't see this one. I'm using Frame 9. Thanks! Jenny
6 CDs remaining for 30 day trial of Adobe TCS2 - all gone!
These are readily available from Adobe. I got one and gave it to my client in case I get hit by a truck. Since they don't have Frame 9 anywhere in the office (it comes in with me and my laptop), they'd be in a jam if they needed to get something done quickly and I was incapacitated. With the trial CD, they can run it and get something done while going through the process to order a copy. I thought it was a nice gesture to be able to make. The client appreciates it. It's well worth having one of these around! Jenny On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: > I was inundated with requests and I just responded in the order > received. > however, if all the requestors don't send in an SASE, I post again. > FWIW, > you might still be able to get a free CD from Adobe - you don't have > to > download from the site (I was informed of this offlist so I hope it > does > work!) > > > Thanks and I wish I could send everyone that asked for one a copy - > that's > the part about this that I hate!! > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > email: info at spectrumwritingllc.com > web: www.spectrumwritingllc.com >
Re: FrameMaker Patch (9.0p250) is now available
Updater happily updated RAW camera file stuff, whatever that is. FrameMaker patch--nada. Did the updater work for anyone? And, if anyone has installed it successfully the manual way, have you had any issues? I'm glad to see the delete variables and crash bug has been fixed. Did this release fix the problem where the paragraph box stops working and the function key shortcuts for paragraph formats quit working? Thanks, Jenny On Sep 28, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Jacob, I agree, however my system didn't see this update either, even though I am not behind an enterprise firewall. Adobe's QC, particularly with FrameMaker is a disgrace. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenl...@mac.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Patch (9.0p250) is now available
Updater happily updated RAW camera file stuff, whatever that is. FrameMaker patch--nada. Did the updater work for anyone? And, if anyone has installed it successfully the manual way, have you had any issues? I'm glad to see the "delete variables and crash" bug has been fixed. Did this release fix the problem where the paragraph box stops working and the function key shortcuts for paragraph formats quit working? Thanks, Jenny On Sep 28, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > I agree, however my system didn't see this update either, even > though I am > not behind an enterprise firewall. Adobe's QC, particularly with > FrameMaker > is a disgrace. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > 585-659-8267 > rick at frameexpert.com > www.frameexpert.com > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenleaf at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
I am running TCS in VMWare Fusion on a 2.8 GHz Mac. It works great. Rock solid. Crashes less than most pure Windows machines I've used. In fact, I don't think Windows has ever crashed. Frame has a few times, but the patches fixed that. You can try most of this before making a commitment. You can download a 30-day trial of Fusion and obtain a 30-day trial of TCS (DVD). You do have to buy a Windows XP license. I just bought one at Fry's. The process to create a VM and load Windows is pretty simple. I work on-site at my client's. I bring in my laptop, hook up to the client's network. It was a bit of a hassle configuring printers, but other than that I haven't had any problems. I connect to shared drives, point my Mac Mail client at their Exchange server. I don't have great calendaring ability, but I don't want to buy Office for Windows, and I don't want to mess with Entourage. Jenny On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:54 AM, D L Reynolds wrote: First of all, you folks are the best. Within minutes of posting, I was getting helpful responses. Some of you have suggested I run Windows on my beloved Mac. I've been hesitant to do that, fearful that it might be buggy or cranky in some way. From what I'm hearing, that isn't the case. So, one last question -- Are any of you running the Adobe Technical Communications Suite on a Mac VMWare Fusion Windows XP? I'd love to go this route if it's reliable. And if I get reports that TCS is stable in this environment, the Windows box is heading for the dumpster. (For the record, I'm still running FM8 and will be for the foreseeable future.) Again, most sincere thanks to all of you. You are amazing! --Donna Reynolds ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenl...@mac.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Soliciting hardware recommendations
I am running TCS in VMWare Fusion on a 2.8 GHz Mac. It works great. Rock solid. Crashes less than most pure Windows machines I've used. In fact, I don't think Windows has ever crashed. Frame has a few times, but the patches fixed that. You can try most of this before making a commitment. You can download a 30-day trial of Fusion and obtain a 30-day trial of TCS (DVD). You do have to buy a Windows XP license. I just bought one at Fry's. The process to create a VM and load Windows is pretty simple. I work on-site at my client's. I bring in my laptop, hook up to the client's network. It was a bit of a hassle configuring printers, but other than that I haven't had any problems. I connect to shared drives, point my Mac Mail client at their Exchange server. I don't have great calendaring ability, but I don't want to buy Office for Windows, and I don't want to mess with Entourage. Jenny On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:54 AM, D L Reynolds wrote: > First of all, you folks are the best. Within minutes of posting, I > was getting helpful responses. > > Some of you have suggested I run Windows on my beloved Mac. I've been > hesitant to do that, fearful that it might be buggy or cranky in some > way. From what I'm hearing, that isn't the case. So, one last > question -- > > Are any of you running the Adobe Technical Communications Suite on a > Mac > VMWare Fusion > Windows XP? I'd love to go this route if it's > reliable. And if I get reports that TCS is stable in this > environment, the Windows box is heading for the dumpster. (For the > record, I'm still running FM8 and will be for the foreseeable future.) > > Again, most sincere thanks to all of you. You are amazing! > >--Donna Reynolds > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenleaf at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF headaches
This was a good suggestion, and it works--both with Save As PDF and Print to PDF. The resolution isn't as good, but that's an OK tradeoff for getting the cross references right. I still can't figure out why the first cross reference of almost every chapter is mangled in Save As PDF, but not Print to PDF. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Writer wrote: Couldn't you merge the eps graphic and png graphic into one graphic, and then use that instead? Nadine Jenny Greenleaf wrote: Thanks, Dov, Let me clarify: I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF headaches
This was a good suggestion, and it works--both with Save As PDF and Print to PDF. The resolution isn't as good, but that's an OK tradeoff for getting the cross references right. I still can't figure out why the first cross reference of every chapter is mangled in Save As PDF, but not Print to PDF. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Writer wrote: > Couldn't you merge the eps graphic and png graphic into one graphic, > and then use that instead? > > Nadine > > Jenny Greenleaf wrote: >> Thanks, Dov, >> >> Let me clarify: >> >> I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an >> irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image >> on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. >> >> >
PDF headaches
FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 No additional external Frame tools or plugins I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not an expert in either of these tools. When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the transparency I need for the cover graphic. When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is gibberish (random characters). I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate font. If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. Any clues? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Agency, LLC Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF headaches
Thanks, Dov, Let me clarify: I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. If I PDF the same file by printing to the PDF printer, the irregularly shaped object is appears in a white rectangle, spoiling the effect. I was quite happy with Save As PDF, even though people say they have trouble with it. If I could figure out why it suddenly started turning my cross-references into gibberish, I would stick with it. I realize there should be no difference between the two methods. However, I have run these PDFs over and over again on the same files. I have used the same set of job options both with the Print to PDF and the Save As PDF. I was systematic and recorded the results in a notebook. I am not making this up! I understand that you don't find the word transparent to be precise. I don't know what other word to use. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: Jenny, PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no transparency in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear background? Again, that is not transparency. I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using the same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for transparent is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should really have been described as translucent - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an English major and those who came up with the term transparent to describe non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text or vector objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating PDF via save as or via printing to the Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output PostScript stream unmodified. - Dov -Original Message- From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenl...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM To: Dov Isaacs Subject: Re: PDF headaches FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent background. Really! Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support for non-opaque objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. FrameMaker's imaging model, unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not support anything other than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com ] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF headaches FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 No additional external Frame tools or plugins I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not an expert in either of these tools. When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the transparency I need for the cover graphic. When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is gibberish (random characters). I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate font. If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. Any clues? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Agency, LLC Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenl...@mac.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more
PDF headaches
FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 No additional external Frame tools or plugins I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not an expert in either of these tools. When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the transparency I need for the cover graphic. When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is gibberish (random characters). I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate font. If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. Any clues? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Agency, LLC Portland, OR
PDF headaches
Thanks, Dov, Let me clarify: I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. If I PDF the same file by printing to the PDF printer, the irregularly shaped object is appears in a white rectangle, spoiling the effect. I was quite happy with Save As PDF, even though people say they have trouble with it. If I could figure out why it suddenly started turning my cross-references into gibberish, I would stick with it. I realize there should be no difference between the two methods. However, I have run these PDFs over and over again on the same files. I have used the same set of job options both with the Print to PDF and the Save As PDF. I was systematic and recorded the results in a notebook. I am not making this up! I understand that you don't find the word "transparent" to be precise. I don't know what other word to use. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > Jenny, > > PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of > the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no > "transparency" > in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. > > Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not > transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping > path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear > background? Again, that is not transparency. > > I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using > the > same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for > "transparent" > is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should > really > have been described as "translucent" - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an > English major and those who came up with the term "transparent" to > describe > non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). > > In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text > or vector > objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating > PDF via > "save as" or via printing to the "Adobe PDF" PostScript printer > driver instance > since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output > PostScript > stream unmodified. > > - Dov > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenleaf at mac.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM >> To: Dov Isaacs >> Subject: Re: PDF headaches >> >> FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent >> background. Really! >> >> Jenny >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: >> >>> What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support >>> for non-opaque >>> objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. >>> FrameMaker's imaging model, >>> unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not >>> support anything other >>> than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? >>> >>> - Dov >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at >>>> lists.frameusers.com >>>> ] On Behalf Of >>>> Jenny Greenleaf >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM >>>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >>>> Subject: PDF headaches >>>> >>>> FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) >>>> Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) >>>> Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 >>>> No additional external Frame tools or plugins >>>> >>>> I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not >>>> an >>>> expert in either of these tools. >>>> >>>> When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the >>>> transparency I >>>> need for the cover graphic. >>>> When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first >>>> cross- >>>> reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is >>>> gibberish (random characters). >>>> >>>> I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality >>>> print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the >>>> corporate >>>> font. >>>> >>>> If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather >>>> not. >>>> >>>> Any clues? Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Jenny >>>> Greenleaf Agency, LLC >>>> Portland, OR > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenleaf at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF headaches
Maybe. The background stays the same and the graphic on top of it changes from manual to manual. We writers would rather not have to ask the graphic artist to do this for every book. Plus, I think then the whole thing would have to be EPS, and the file is gargantuan is it is. I will try it though. I would be fine if I could fix the cross-reference issue. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Writer wrote: > Couldn't you merge the eps graphic and png graphic into one graphic, > and then use that instead? > > Nadine > > Jenny Greenleaf wrote: >> Thanks, Dov, >> >> Let me clarify: >> >> I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an >> irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image >> on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. >> >> >
Re: transparent background graphics
I built the same sort of cover recently. It took some doing to figure it out. Frame Help was less than helpful. I am using Frame 9 (Virtual Windows XP on a Mac), so I don't know if this is supported in earlier versions, but my EPS graphic with transparency floats quite nicely over my cover background graphics, which are in PNG. (I had no luck with GIF or PNG formats, which also support transparency, but not in Frame.) The EPS should come with at TIF preview--a grainy b/w representation of the graphic. You can place that. It doesn't look good on the screen, but it PDFs nicely. The biggest problem with EPS is that it makes your files bigger. The cover alone accounts for half the size of my PDF for a 40-page document. Jenny On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote: Well, first, thanks to all for your tips to help me get a good TOC generated. I'm still working on that one, and while it hasn't happened so far, I did find that several graphics pasted into some reference pages from another document by my (not-so-FrameMaker-savy) coworker resulted in prompts to find the path to them each time some of these files were opened. After I deleted those graphics from the reference pages and re-imported them correctly, no more prompts for them. But that's as far as I got on that because now, my boss has assigned me a more pressing project, a revised cover design for this operator manal (for a hydraulic excavator -- REAL hardware). After I researched and assembled a great-looking cover, he held a meeting of the project engineers (with me included) where those who only know how to engineer started picking at and apart the work I had done. Sheesh! (The cover got lots of kudos before the meeting because they never had a tech writer here before.) So now, I'm trying to modify my cover design, but am running up against a seemingly immovable problem: importing a graphic with a supposedly transparent background that still displays a white background. My revised cover is to be slightly grey (perhaps 20% black tint, using FrameMaker). And the company logo with name is in red (logo) and black (company name in a custom font which I don't know or have). Oh, and our home office is in China and they do things very differently there and are very slow at responding. I'm still learning the in's and out's of Paintshop Pro X2, so that's another rocky road, but I think I successfully created a GIF file graphic with no background (it displays in Paintshop Pro with a checkered background) but only the red logo and black-lettered company name. But when I import it, the background is white. I'm trying to keep away from creating a GIF file with a 20% grey background because it's just my luck that it probably won't match the FrameMaker 20% grey cover. What to do? Please advise. -- Kenpo in Atlanta ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenl...@mac.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
transparent background graphics
I built the same sort of cover recently. It took some doing to figure it out. Frame Help was less than helpful. I am using Frame 9 (Virtual Windows XP on a Mac), so I don't know if this is supported in earlier versions, but my EPS graphic with transparency floats quite nicely over my cover background graphics, which are in PNG. (I had no luck with GIF or PNG formats, which also support transparency, but not in Frame.) The EPS should come with at TIF preview--a grainy b/w representation of the graphic. You can place that. It doesn't look good on the screen, but it PDFs nicely. The biggest problem with EPS is that it makes your files bigger. The cover alone accounts for half the size of my PDF for a 40-page document. Jenny On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote: > Well, first, thanks to all for your tips to help me get a good TOC > generated. I'm still working on that one, and while it hasn't > happened so far, I did find that several graphics pasted into some > reference pages from another document by my (not-so-FrameMaker-savy) > coworker resulted in prompts to find the path to them each time some > of these files were opened. > > After I deleted those graphics from the reference pages and > re-imported them correctly, no more prompts for them. > > But that's as far as I got on that because now, my boss has assigned > me a more pressing project, a revised cover design for this operator > manal (for a hydraulic excavator -- REAL hardware). After I > researched and assembled a great-looking cover, he held a meeting of > the project engineers (with me included) where those who only know > how to engineer started picking at and apart the work I had done. > Sheesh! (The cover got lots of kudos before the meeting because they > never had a tech writer here before.) > > So now, I'm trying to modify my cover design, but am running up > against a seemingly immovable problem: importing a graphic with a > supposedly transparent background that still displays a white > background. > > My "revised cover" is to be slightly grey (perhaps 20% black tint, > using FrameMaker). And the company logo with name is in red (logo) > and black (company name in a custom font which I don't know or have). > Oh, and our home office is in China and they do things very > differently there and are very slow at responding. > > I'm still learning the in's and out's of Paintshop Pro X2, so that's > another rocky road, but I think I successfully created a GIF file > graphic with "no" background (it displays in Paintshop Pro with a > checkered background) but only the red logo and black-lettered > company name. > > But when I import it, the background is white. I'm trying to keep > away from creating a GIF file with a 20% grey background because it's > just my luck that it probably won't match the FrameMaker 20% grey > cover. > > What to do? Please advise. > > -- Kenpo in Atlanta > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenleaf at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
Well, this was several years ago. We didn't know about plugins at that time. Or didn't have the budget. Jenny On May 29, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: Verner's trick is a handy and creative one for the task he described. As Jeremy has noted, MIF2Go is at least as easy, probably more so. For the task you describe, though, it would seem like Bruce Foster's Archive plug-in would be a simpler, more efficient way to go at it. Or am I missing something? Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:46 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: finding copied graphics, another way of doing it Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. At a former company, we used this method to clean up files after a release. Our process was to copy the graphics folder to somewhere else (as backup) and delete everything out of the original folder. As Frame asked for a graphic, we would move it back into the original graphics folder. The leftovers could be tossed, leaving a graphics folder that was much easier to find things in and without random old screenshots, files in other formats, etc. Very handy trick. Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith . com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
Well, this was several years ago. We didn't know about plugins at that time. Or didn't have the budget. Jenny On May 29, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > Verner's trick is a handy and creative one for the task he > described. As > Jeremy has noted, MIF2Go is at least as easy, probably more so. For > the > task you describe, though, it would seem like Bruce Foster's Archive > plug-in would be a simpler, more efficient way to go at it. Or am I > missing something? > > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny > Greenleaf > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:46 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: finding copied graphics, another way of doing it > >> >>> Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. >>> I simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only >>> the graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. >> > > At a former company, we used this method to clean up files after a > release. Our process was to copy the graphics folder to somewhere else > (as backup) and delete everything out of the original folder. As Frame > asked for a graphic, we would move it back into the original graphics > folder. The leftovers could be tossed, leaving a graphics folder that > was much easier to find things in and without random old screenshots, > files in other formats, etc. > > Very handy trick. > > Jenny > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith > . > com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked graphics. I simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only the graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. At a former company, we used this method to clean up files after a release. Our process was to copy the graphics folder to somewhere else (as backup) and delete everything out of the original folder. As Frame asked for a graphic, we would move it back into the original graphics folder. The leftovers could be tossed, leaving a graphics folder that was much easier to find things in and without random old screenshots, files in other formats, etc. Very handy trick. Jenny ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
finding copied graphics, another way of doing it
> >> Then I got the idea of separating the file from its linked >> graphics. I >> simply renamed the graphics folder and reopened the file. Now only >> the >> graphics that were copied into the file were displayed. > At a former company, we used this method to clean up files after a release. Our process was to copy the graphics folder to somewhere else (as backup) and delete everything out of the original folder. As Frame asked for a graphic, we would move it back into the original graphics folder. The leftovers could be tossed, leaving a graphics folder that was much easier to find things in and without random old screenshots, files in other formats, etc. Very handy trick. Jenny
Re: Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9
I've seen that one too. I've also had repeated crashes when trying to delete variables from a Frame 7 template. It's done it several times. Prior to that, I can click on a variable name, but the confirmation dialog references a different one. I save a lot. Jenny On May 7, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Madeleine r Dimond wrote: I've noticed that the Paragraph Designer does stick, though where I've noticed it is when I try to call the Commands list. I click, and nothing happens. At some point the keyboard shortcuts quit working too, and eventually I shut down and restart, unless it crashes first. I'm running stand-alone FM 9 with the first patch on Windows XP SP2. Best, Madeleine Susan Corcoran wrote on 05/07/2009 02:00:01 AM: -- Hello fellow Framers, I've upgraded to FM9 recently and I've found an odd quirk. I wonder if anyone else has seen the paragraph designer get stuck on a single panel? I can be working along just fine, and suddenly the paragraph designer refuses to switch views between Basic, Default Font, Pagination, etc. I can get the dropdown list of tags, but cannot change the tag name. I can get rid of the panel or pod, but each time I bring up paragraph designer, it's still stuck. Occasionally I can fix this by closing and reopening the doc, but more often I have to restart FrameMaker. I work with it in both structured and unstructured and it has happened with both. Has anyone else seen this or know what could cause it? I'm running FM9 through Tech Comm Suite on Windows XP. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenl...@mac.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Paragraph Designer Sticks in FM9
I've seen that one too. I've also had repeated crashes when trying to delete variables from a Frame 7 template. It's done it several times. Prior to that, I can click on a variable name, but the confirmation dialog references a different one. I save a lot. Jenny On May 7, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Madeleine r Dimond wrote: > I've noticed that the Paragraph Designer does stick, though where I've > noticed it is when I try to call the Commands list. I click, and > nothing > happens. At some point the keyboard shortcuts quit working too, and > eventually I shut down and restart, unless it crashes first. > > I'm running stand-alone FM 9 with the first patch on Windows XP SP2. > > Best, > > > Madeleine > > > Susan Corcoran wrote on 05/07/2009 02:00:01 AM: > >> -- >> Hello fellow Framers, >> >> I've upgraded to FM9 recently and I've found an odd quirk. I >> wonder if >> anyone else has seen the paragraph designer get stuck on a single >> panel? >> I can be working along just fine, and suddenly the paragraph designer >> refuses to switch views between Basic, Default Font, Pagination, >> etc. I >> can get the dropdown list of tags, but cannot change the tag name. I >> can get rid of the panel or pod, but each time I bring up paragraph >> designer, it's still stuck. Occasionally I can fix this by closing >> and >> reopening the doc, but more often I have to restart FrameMaker. I >> work >> with it in both structured and unstructured and it has happened with >> both. >> >> Has anyone else seen this or know what could cause it? >> I'm running FM9 through Tech Comm Suite on Windows XP. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenleaf at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
