Large FM File

[Neil Tubb]

Just a quick question- can anyone tell me why putting your entire 300+
page manual into one FM file would make sense? I was always taught that
splitting it out one file per chapter was the safest and best way to go,
but I've just seen an example of the one large file approach. Does
anyone else do this? Just curious.



Neil

Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,

 

Please help me...I'm working on an SDK programming guide, and I have
some sample code lines that are just too long. I am told I need to
indicate that the lines are breaking with some kind of an carriage
return arrow icon, and then indent the following line. 

 

Does anyone have any good ideas on how to do this in FrameMaker? I'm
using Frame 7.1 on Windows XP. My code samples are done in a single
table cell.

 

Thanks in advance,
Neil

 

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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

 

Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066

Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com http://www.solacesystems.com 

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RE: Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

[Neil Tubb]

Thanks for the replies everyone! All I was asking about was lines that
wrapped...sounds like most think that simply indenting will cover it
off. It was a developer that told me to put in a visual indicator...why
would this bite me? Very odd.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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McDaniel
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

Put the code in a cell or leave it in the body, makes no difference to
the user.

Code in the body of the text is easier to maintain in docs.

Indent the line continuation.

Do not put any character at the end of a broken line. 
Coders know that lines break. 
Non-code characters intended to visually indicate a line break will bite
you.

If the first word of a following line tries to jump back up to the end
of the previous line, force it to the following line with invisible
space(s) as needed.

The point of the code sample is to present it in a manner that's
acceptable to coders.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:13 PM
To: Neil Tubb
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

I put each line of code into a single cell -- if you're doing that,
just set an indent for the subsequent lines. I've never put anything
at the end of the line and never had anyone fail to understand that a
hanging first line and indented following lines indicated that the
line wrapped.

Manually adding a special character would be possible, but a real PITA
to maintain...

If you had to do it, you could create a second column to the right of
the code sample just wide enough for a character or two and create a
paragraph tag that would generate the symbol. And then only use that
character format in the cell for lines that wrap. That would still
allow you to cut and paste freely in the code column.

Art

On Nov 29, 2007 1:59 PM, Neil Tubb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,



 Please help me...I'm working on an SDK programming guide, and I have
 some sample code lines that are just too long. I am told I need to
 indicate that the lines are breaking with some kind of an carriage
 return arrow icon, and then indent the following line.



 Does anyone have any good ideas on how to do this in FrameMaker? I'm
 using Frame 7.1 on Windows XP. My code samples are done in a single
 table cell.



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Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,



Please help me...I'm working on an SDK programming guide, and I have
some sample code lines that are just too long. I am told I need to
indicate that the lines are breaking with some kind of an carriage
return arrow icon, and then indent the following line. 



Does anyone have any good ideas on how to do this in FrameMaker? I'm
using Frame 7.1 on Windows XP. My code samples are done in a single
table cell.



Thanks in advance,
Neil



__

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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8



Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066

Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com <http://www.solacesystems.com> 

Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com

Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

[Neil Tubb]

Thanks for the replies everyone! All I was asking about was lines that
wrapped...sounds like most think that simply indenting will cover it
off. It was a developer that told me to put in a visual indicator...why
would this "bite me"? Very odd.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:05 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

Put the code in a cell or leave it in the body, makes no difference to
the user.

Code in the body of the text is easier to maintain in docs.

Indent the line continuation.

Do not put any character at the end of a broken line. 
Coders know that lines break. 
Non-code characters intended to visually indicate a line break will bite
you.

If the first word of a following line tries to jump back up to the end
of the previous line, force it to the following line with invisible
space(s) as needed.

The point of the code sample is to present it in a manner that's
acceptable to coders.



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:13 PM
To: Neil Tubb
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Indicating Code Sample Line Breaks

I put each line of code into a single cell -- if you're doing that,
just set an indent for the subsequent lines. I've never put anything
at the end of the line and never had anyone fail to understand that a
hanging first line and indented following lines indicated that the
line wrapped.

Manually adding a special character would be possible, but a real PITA
to maintain...

If you had to do it, you could create a second column to the right of
the code sample just wide enough for a character or two and create a
paragraph tag that would generate the symbol. And then only use that
character format in the cell for lines that wrap. That would still
allow you to cut and paste freely in the "code" column.

Art

On Nov 29, 2007 1:59 PM, Neil Tubb  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Please help me...I'm working on an SDK programming guide, and I have
> some sample code lines that are just too long. I am told I need to
> indicate that the lines are breaking with some kind of an carriage
> return arrow icon, and then indent the following line.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any good ideas on how to do this in FrameMaker? I'm
> using Frame 7.1 on Windows XP. My code samples are done in a single
> table cell.
>
>

-- 
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art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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radical revamping of techpubs

[Neil Tubb]

Clearly Chris hasn't used a Mac since System 7...;-)...might be
interested to know that OSX is built on BSD!

Most users "never see a blue screen of death"? Be serious.

But I suppose this is all off topic...

Neil

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From: framers-bounces+neil.tubb=solacesystems@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+neil.tubb=solacesystems.com at lists.frameusers.com
] On Behalf Of Chris Borokowski
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:50 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: radical revamping of techpubs

I'm not sure the question here is one of quality as much as different
purposes.

If you want most stuff to install quickly and work the first time, want
flexibility about what hardware you can use, and want compatibility
with most people out there, Windows is a clear winner, and most users
never see a blue screen of death.

If you want a UNIX-like operating system that's free and gives you some
flexibility of hardware, but don't mind fiddling with software and OS
settings, Linux is a good choice.

If you want a stable snazzy operating system, and want few hardware
choices and don't care what it costs you or how often it breaks down,
you pick Macintosh.

I think there's an important lesson there for TWs. User profiles are
generally a big time-waster when people make up users complete with
names and histories. But recognizing the different general functions
users want to fulfil, and as a result the choices they make, is really
important.

Not everyone wants the bulletproof operating system. If they did, we'd
all run BSD ;)

--- Technical Writer  wrote:

> Quality is primarily a subjective opinion; witness the 90+% of the
> population of the planet using Windows, despite the occasional Blue
> Screen of Death, or necessary re-booting orre-installing required.
> Similarly, whether a product is crap or not is again an opinion, not
> an objective evaluation that can applied in all cases. The Debian
> flavor of Linux is considered "the best" by some, and "the worst" by
> some. The opinions are subjective.


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Creating a single HTML page from Frame book

[Neil Tubb]

Hi everyone,

 

For my company's various SDK programming guides, I've been told to stop
producing PDF versions, and switch to a single HTML page version for
each book. Of course, I would like to continue authoring in Frame, and
my quick initial tests using the FM save-as-HTML look not too bad...but
clearly I'm going to spending a fair amount of time cleaning up the look
of the document. The FM-produced CSS is not very pretty.

 

I considered using ePublisher, but I believe it always creates a minimum
of one HTML file per FM chapter. This would not work.

 

Does anyone have any other ideas? Or does anyone have a similar
experience they can share?

 

Cheers,
Neil

 

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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

 

Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066

Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com http://www.solacesystems.com 

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RE: Creating a single HTML page from Frame book

[Neil Tubb]

Thanks for the input Art. My books, though, are not large (only about 50
pages at this point). And also, I don't think this is a real issue
anymore. For an example of what I'm striving for, check out how Google
handles their API docs:

http://code.google.com/apis/blogger/developers_guide_protocol.html



-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:05 AM
To: Neil Tubb
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Creating a single HTML page from Frame book

Well, depending on long your books are, this could be a really poor
idea if people have enough time to go down to Starbucks and get coffee
while the page loads.

The whole idea of web publishing is usually to have discrete chunks of
information / pages that are linked, not vice versa, so it sounds as
if someone's not quite clear on the concept.

That aside, I'm 95% sure that MIF2Go by omsys.com has a one-page
option for output to HTML. You could grab the eval and check...

Art

On 5/17/07, Neil Tubb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi everyone,



 For my company's various SDK programming guides, I've been told to
stop
 producing PDF versions, and switch to a single HTML page version for
 each book. Of course, I would like to continue authoring in Frame, and
 my quick initial tests using the FM save-as-HTML look not too
bad...but
 clearly I'm going to spending a fair amount of time cleaning up the
look
 of the document. The FM-produced CSS is not very pretty.



 I considered using ePublisher, but I believe it always creates a
minimum
 of one HTML file per FM chapter. This would not work.



 Does anyone have any other ideas? Or does anyone have a similar
 experience they can share?



 Cheers,
 Neil



 __

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 Senior Technical Writer

 Solace Systems, Inc.

 535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

 Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8



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Creating a single HTML page from Frame book

[Neil Tubb]

Hi everyone,



For my company's various SDK programming guides, I've been told to stop
producing PDF versions, and switch to a single HTML page version for
each book. Of course, I would like to continue authoring in Frame, and
my quick initial tests using the FM save-as-HTML look not too bad...but
clearly I'm going to spending a fair amount of time cleaning up the look
of the document. The FM-produced CSS is not very pretty.



I considered using ePublisher, but I believe it always creates a minimum
of one HTML file per FM chapter. This would not work.



Does anyone have any other ideas? Or does anyone have a similar
experience they can share?



Cheers,
Neil



__

Neil Tubb

Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8



Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066

Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com <http://www.solacesystems.com> 

Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com

Creating a single HTML page from Frame book

[Neil Tubb]

Thanks for the input Art. My books, though, are not large (only about 50
pages at this point). And also, I don't think this is a real issue
anymore. For an example of what I'm striving for, check out how Google
handles their API docs:

http://code.google.com/apis/blogger/developers_guide_protocol.html



-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:05 AM
To: Neil Tubb
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Creating a single HTML page from Frame book

Well, depending on long your books are, this could be a really poor
idea if people have enough time to go down to Starbucks and get coffee
while the "page" loads.

The whole idea of web publishing is usually to have discrete chunks of
information / pages that are linked, not vice versa, so it sounds as
if someone's not quite clear on the concept.

That aside, I'm 95% sure that MIF2Go by omsys.com has a one-page
option for output to HTML. You could grab the eval and check...

Art

On 5/17/07, Neil Tubb  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> For my company's various SDK programming guides, I've been told to
stop
> producing PDF versions, and switch to a single HTML page version for
> each book. Of course, I would like to continue authoring in Frame, and
> my quick initial tests using the FM save-as-HTML look not too
bad...but
> clearly I'm going to spending a fair amount of time cleaning up the
look
> of the document. The FM-produced CSS is not very pretty.
>
>
>
> I considered using ePublisher, but I believe it always creates a
minimum
> of one HTML file per FM chapter. This would not work.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any other ideas? Or does anyone have a similar
> experience they can share?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Neil
>
>
>
> __
>
> Neil Tubb
>
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> Solace Systems, Inc.
>
> 535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor
>
> Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8
>


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  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

OT: Formatting Readmes with Groff/Latex

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,

 

I've been told I have to produce Readmes for several of our products in
text files. I want to be able to control some basic look-and-feel
though, such as column-width, and it was suggested to me to use Groff or
Latex. I've been looking into this for a bit, but can't really figure it
out. Before I spend any more time on this, does anyone have a better
solution?

 

Thanks,
Neil

 

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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

 

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Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,

 

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

 

Cheers,
Neil

 

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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

 

Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066

Fax: (613) 271-2844

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RE: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

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Yes- shade the background and have a border around it. Actually usually
just the border. I want it to stand out...it is pretty standard in
sample configurations for those of us in the networking world.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:32 AM
To: Neil Tubb; framers@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

Hi Neil,

What advantage do you get by putting the code in a table? Are you
putting a 
background color or shading behind the code? Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all,

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

Cheers,
Neil
__

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Senior Technical Writer
Solace Systems, Inc.
535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor
Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066
Fax: (613) 271-2844

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Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,



Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?



Cheers,
Neil



__

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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8



Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066

Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com <http://www.solacesystems.com> 

Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com

Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

[Neil Tubb]

Yes- shade the background and have a border around it. Actually usually
just the border. I want it to stand out...it is pretty standard in
sample configurations for those of us in the networking world.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexp...@truevine.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:32 AM
To: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Code Samples: Tables or Graphic Frame?

Hi Neil,

What advantage do you get by putting the code in a table? Are you
putting a 
background color or shading behind the code? Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all,

Just wondering how everyone else handles code samples. I generally just
put them in a big one-cell table, which works well...unless the code
sample runs into the next page. I could just put it all in graphic
frame, but I like the control a table offers (and how it converts to
HTML via ePub Pro). Any thoughts on this?

Cheers,
Neil
__

Neil Tubb
Senior Technical Writer
Solace Systems, Inc.
535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor
Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066
Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com <http://www.solacesystems.com>
Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com

RE: Copy into document graphics vs. Import by Reference

[Neil Tubb]

Really? While this sounds crazy to me, I suppose if you were not working
off the same network it would be the only way to go. Generally, though,
most TW depts. are working off the same LAN (CMS or not), so sharing is
not an issue.

I just find importing by ref is simple, and for software especially it
makes it easy when updating screenshots.

My 2 cents,
Neil


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of Scott White
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:34 PM
To: Gillian Flato
Cc: framers@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Copy into document graphics vs. Import by Reference 

We ALWAYS copy into document. This allows us to pass the file around  
without breaking the links to the graphics. It may take a little  
longer to do our books, but I feel it equals out since we don't have  
to hassle with broken links. As far as paginating our books, we just  
break our files down a little smaller and this makes the files fast  
enough to work with.

Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:

 Guys,

 We're having a debate in my TW team about whether to use Import by Ref
 for graphics or Copy into Document. I always Import by reference. The
 hardware writers copy into document. Their books take much longer to
 build than mine, and I am convinced that it's because they are copying
 the graphics into the document.

 Am I right, is this what's causing their slow book building  
 process?  I
 have much bigger books than they do, in terms of pages, but they have
 bigger graphics.

 Also, what are some arguments for importing by ref vs copying in? What
 do you guys do?




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Copy into document graphics vs. Import by Reference

[Neil Tubb]

Really? While this sounds crazy to me, I suppose if you were not working
off the same network it would be the only way to go. Generally, though,
most TW depts. are working off the same LAN (CMS or not), so sharing is
not an issue.

I just find importing by ref is simple, and for software especially it
makes it easy when updating screenshots.

My 2 cents,
Neil


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] On Behalf Of Scott White
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:34 PM
To: Gillian Flato
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Copy into document graphics vs. Import by Reference 

We ALWAYS copy into document. This allows us to pass the file around  
without breaking the links to the graphics. It may take a little  
longer to do our books, but I feel it equals out since we don't have  
to hassle with broken links. As far as paginating our books, we just  
break our files down a little smaller and this makes the files fast  
enough to work with.

Scott White
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Implementation Coordinator
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On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:

> Guys,
>
> We're having a debate in my TW team about whether to use Import by Ref
> for graphics or Copy into Document. I always Import by reference. The
> hardware writers copy into document. Their books take much longer to
> build than mine, and I am convinced that it's because they are copying
> the graphics into the document.
>
> Am I right, is this what's causing their slow book building  
> process?  I
> have much bigger books than they do, in terms of pages, but they have
> bigger graphics.
>
> Also, what are some arguments for importing by ref vs copying in? What
> do you guys do?
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> 
>
> Gillian Flato
>
> Technical Writer (Software)
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>
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Frame 7.1 Internal Error

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,

 

I'm running Frame 7.1 on a Win XP box and it keeps crashing today when I
do book builds. The error output:

 

Internal Error: 7104, 4440200, 4439404, 6561597

FrameMaker 7.1.0 for Intel

Build: 7.1p114

Window System: MSWindows

Operating System: Windows NT 5.1 (major.minor.build: 5.1.2600 Service
Pack 2) 

Generated on: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:14:35 PM

To file: c:\program
files\adobe\framemaker7.1\FrameLog_06.10.19_13.14.35.txt

 

Anyone else been seeing this one? Just wondering. It is annoying me
greatly.

 

Cheers,

Neil

 

 

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Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

 

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Frame 7.1 Internal Error

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,



I'm running Frame 7.1 on a Win XP box and it keeps crashing today when I
do book builds. The error output:



Internal Error: 7104, 4440200, 4439404, 6561597

FrameMaker 7.1.0 for Intel

Build: 7.1p114

Window System: MSWindows

Operating System: Windows NT 5.1 (major.minor.build: 5.1.2600 Service
Pack 2) 

Generated on: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:14:35 PM

To file: c:\program
files\adobe\framemaker7.1\FrameLog_06.10.19_13.14.35.txt



Anyone else been seeing this one? Just wondering. It is annoying me
greatly.



Cheers,

Neil





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Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8



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FW: Frame 7.1 Internal Error

[Neil Tubb]

Sorry- just found the answer:



http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2715



Should've googled first...(blush)



Cheers,

Neil





From: Neil Tubb 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:21 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 7.1 Internal Error



Hi all,



I'm running Frame 7.1 on a Win XP box and it keeps crashing today when I
do book builds. The error output:



Internal Error: 7104, 4440200, 4439404, 6561597

FrameMaker 7.1.0 for Intel

Build: 7.1p114

Window System: MSWindows

Operating System: Windows NT 5.1 (major.minor.build: 5.1.2600 Service
Pack 2) 

Generated on: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:14:35 PM

To file: c:\program
files\adobe\framemaker7.1\FrameLog_06.10.19_13.14.35.txt



Anyone else been seeing this one? Just wondering. It is annoying me
greatly.



Cheers,

Neil





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Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8



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Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com <http://www.solacesystems.com> 

Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com

FrameMaker 7.0 for Mac?

[Neil Tubb]

Hey Framers,

 

I use Frame 7.1 for Windows at work, but use a PowerPC Mac at home. I
would really like to be able to work a bit from home, so was wondering
if it would be worth picking up Frame 7.0 for Mac. So:

 

1. Did they actually make Frame 7.0 for Mac...I keep reading about an
upgrade, but not a real product. I realize it is now discontinued.

 

2. Are there big problems going back and forth between the two
platforms? I have an old (5.5) version on my Mac currently, but going
the Save to MIF route has resulted in no end of weird issues.

 

Thanks in advance,

Neil

 

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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

 

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Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com http://www.solacesystems.com 

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FrameMaker 7.0 for Mac?

[Neil Tubb]

Hey Framers,



I use Frame 7.1 for Windows at work, but use a PowerPC Mac at home. I
would really like to be able to work a bit from home, so was wondering
if it would be worth picking up Frame 7.0 for Mac. So:



1. Did they actually make Frame 7.0 for Mac...I keep reading about an
upgrade, but not a real product. I realize it is now discontinued.



2. Are there big problems going back and forth between the two
platforms? I have an old (5.5) version on my Mac currently, but going
the Save to MIF route has resulted in no end of weird issues.



Thanks in advance,

Neil



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Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 6th Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8



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Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com <http://www.solacesystems.com> 

Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com

Frame 7.1 with ePub 9.2: Contextual Help

[Neil Tubb]

Hey everyone (cross-posting to WWP yahoo groups list...really need help
here),

I'm a fairly experienced Frame and Webworks user (9 years), but this is
the first time I've tried contextual help. The user documentation for
ePub 9.2 is pretty thin, but I have successfully inserted my TopicAlias
markers...and they show up in my Webworks reports. So that is all good.

I'm creating contextual help for a Java client (Swing-based). I was
told by development to just pick my own unique IDs and give them to
them along with my help source, and that they would take it from there.
But I guess they figured they would include the URI to the anchor
ID...which is different than the unique TopicAlias marker ID I gave.

I found the topic.js file that contains the mappings...so what do I
tell the developers? To write code to look in this javascript mapping
file and then find the topic? Please help.

Cheers,
Neil

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] On Behalf Of Jan Homan
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:48 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Jan Homan
Subject: jagged edges on graphics 

Using pdfFLY (available on Unix, Linux and Windows) you convert any
graphics drawing saved 
in EPS to FrameMaker MIF native format.
Which will solve the jagged edges issue I think.

See http://www.visual-integrity.com for more information.

 
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Frame 7.1 with ePub 9.2: Contextual Help

[Neil Tubb]

Hey everyone (cross-posting to WWP yahoo groups list...really need help
here),

I'm a fairly experienced Frame and Webworks user (9 years), but this is
the first time I've tried contextual help. The user documentation for
ePub 9.2 is pretty thin, but I have successfully inserted my TopicAlias
markers...and they show up in my Webworks reports. So that is all good.

I'm creating contextual help for a Java client (Swing-based). I was
told by development to just pick my own unique IDs and give them to
them along with my help source, and that they would take it from there.
But I guess they figured they would include the URI to the anchor
ID...which is different than the unique TopicAlias marker ID I gave.

I found the topic.js file that contains the mappings...so what do I
tell the developers? To write code to look in this javascript mapping
file and then find the topic? Please help.

Cheers,
Neil

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[mailto:framers-bounces+neil.tubb=solacesystems.com at lists.frameusers.com
] On Behalf Of Jan Homan
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:48 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Jan Homan
Subject: jagged edges on graphics 

Using pdfFLY (available on Unix, Linux and Windows) you convert any
graphics drawing saved 
in EPS to FrameMaker MIF native format.
Which will solve the jagged edges issue I think.

See http://www.visual-integrity.com for more information.


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RE: Generating Topic Alias Markers

[Neil Tubb]

Hi Ron,

I'm in the same boat- just starting out creating some contextual help using 
Frame 7.1 and WWP (actually ePub Pro). I also find the documentation available 
woefully inadequate on both sides...very frustrating.

Anyways, not sure what you mean about generating topic alias markers. My 
understanding is you just physically insert them in your frame docs- 
Special-Marker, create a new marker, and put in any unique id. Here's what the 
WW help says:

1. Navigate, in your source document, to the topic or paragraph that will be 
used as the Help topic. Most often, this is a heading paragraph that has a page 
break defined in WebWorks ePublisher Pro; however, you can choose any paragraph 
in your source document.
2. Insert a TopicAlias marker in the topic or paragraph using the topic ID as 
the marker value. To do this:
3. Place the insertion point at the beginning of the topic or paragraph.
4. Go to Special → Marker.
5. In the Marker Type drop-down menu select Edit...
6. Name the marker TopicAlias and click Add.
7. TopicAlias should now be the specified Marker Type. Place the topic ID for 
the Marker Text.
8. Click New Marker.
9. Save the document(s).
10. In your WebWorks ePublisher Pro project, scan your documents and generate 
your project.

Let me know if this isn't what you need...

Neil

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Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:41 PM
To: Framers List
Subject: Generating Topic Alias Markers

Frame 7.1
Windows XP, SP2
WWP 2003
WWP Help

OK, so I need to generate topic alias markers in Frame, and I've never 
had to deal with this in the past. Since this is how you generate 
context-sensitive help, I would have thought it would be fairly well 
documented, but after checking the Frame Help and my FrameMaker 
reference book, I was surprised to find that there was not a line of 
instruction on how to do this.

I did find some instructions on the WebWorks side, but I want to be 
certain I'm using the correct syntax. Do I simply make up a numbering 
system, then insert a TopicAlias mark with a new number next to each 
topic title for which I want to supply context help?

I'll deal with WWP side on their list, but please let me know how to get 
started with this on the Frame side.

Thanks,
Ron

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Generating Topic Alias Markers

[Neil Tubb]

Hi Ron,

I'm in the same boat- just starting out creating some contextual help using 
Frame 7.1 and WWP (actually ePub Pro). I also find the documentation available 
woefully inadequate on both sides...very frustrating.

Anyways, not sure what you mean about "generating" topic alias markers. My 
understanding is you just physically insert them in your frame docs- 
Special->Marker, create a new marker, and put in any unique id. Here's what the 
WW help says:

1. Navigate, in your source document, to the topic or paragraph that will be 
used as the Help topic. Most often, this is a heading paragraph that has a page 
break defined in WebWorks ePublisher Pro; however, you can choose any paragraph 
in your source document.
2. Insert a TopicAlias marker in the topic or paragraph using the topic ID as 
the marker value. To do this:
3. Place the insertion point at the beginning of the topic or paragraph.
4. Go to Special ? Marker.
5. In the Marker Type drop-down menu select Edit...
6. Name the marker TopicAlias and click Add.
7. TopicAlias should now be the specified Marker Type. Place the topic ID for 
the Marker Text.
8. Click New Marker.
9. Save the document(s).
10. In your WebWorks ePublisher Pro project, scan your documents and generate 
your project.

Let me know if this isn't what you need...

Neil

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[mailto:framers-bounces+neil.tubb=solacesystems@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ron Miller
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:41 PM
To: Framers List
Subject: Generating Topic Alias Markers

Frame 7.1
Windows XP, SP2
WWP 2003
WWP Help

OK, so I need to generate topic alias markers in Frame, and I've never 
had to deal with this in the past. Since this is how you generate 
context-sensitive help, I would have thought it would be fairly well 
documented, but after checking the Frame Help and my FrameMaker 
reference book, I was surprised to find that there was not a line of 
instruction on how to do this.

I did find some instructions on the WebWorks side, but I want to be 
certain I'm using the correct syntax. Do I simply make up a numbering 
system, then insert a TopicAlias mark with a new number next to each 
topic title for which I want to supply context help?

I'll deal with WWP side on their list, but please let me know how to get 
started with this on the Frame side.

Thanks,
Ron

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RE: Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

[Neil Tubb]

Thanks Richard- I see that I overlooked this one line about the Adobe
Document Server. I find it amazing that everyone else skated over this
fact- is it really that common to have this product installed? I'd never
heard of it until today. A co-worker here told me that the Lifecycle
Server product is a piece of junk, and requires its own dedicated
machine to boot. Can anyone dispute this?

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Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Neil Tubb; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

Neil Tubb wrote: 
 
 Quick question- does anyone out there know if Acrobat's 
 online reviewing feature actually works with Reader (not the 
 full Acrobat version)? We're trying to get it work here, and 
 even though Adobe's documentation claims it should work with 
 Reader, it only works for those who have the full version. 
 Since our company won't spring for everyone in development to 
 get the full version, this will kill the idea. Please let me 
 know if you have any experience with this.

As others have noted, Reader 7 users can comment/review if you enable it
in Acro 7 Pro first. But, that's not the whole story. If you want to
host the doc on a server and enable browser-based review using Reader 7,
be prepared to send Adobe a bunch more money. 

I'd quote from the Acro 7 Pro Help, but you can't select text in that
file! (How annoying is that?) Look up the topic Setting up a
browser-based review, and you'll see a note saying that Adobe Document
Server or Reader Extensions Server is required to enable Reader 7 users
to participate. 

Without the Adobe server software, you'll have to email the doc to
Reader 7 users. See the topic Setting up an email-based review. 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

[Neil Tubb]

Thanks Richard. I went through the same thing with the Adobe
site...until I realized that all of their various server products (Adobe
Document Server, Reader Extensions Server, etc.) are actually just part
of the Lifecycle Server product. Not that anyone thought to mention this
anywhere easily accessible at Adobe.com. Oh well.

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To: Neil Tubb; John Posada; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

Neil Tubb wrote:  
 
 Fair point John. I guess I wasn't specific enough. We really 
 want the browser-based review option, because that is the 
 only way reviewers will be able to see the comments of other 
 reviewers online-- which helps to avoid multiple comments on 
 the same point. The email and manual roll-up into one 
 reviewed document is OK, but not as helpful for our needs. 
 
 Funny that it apparently works with Acrobat Reader 6 
 though...wonder if we can't just find a copy of 6 out there 
 somewhere and distribute that...hmmm...

Not Reader 6 -- Acrobat 6. Reader 7 is the first _reader_ version that
supports review/comment. But the _full_ version of Acrobat 6 (or 7)
permits collaborative review without the Adobe server software. 

BTW, good luck finding out much about the server products on the Adobe
website. When we looked into the review/comment features, I chased my
tail around their site for a couple of hours without ever finding any
pricing info -- or even detailed descriptions beyond the vague
market-speak promises and generalities. Every attempt to drill deeper
eventually led me back to where I'd come from, no wiser than before. :-}


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Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

[Neil Tubb]

Hello fellow Framers,



Quick question- does anyone out there know if Acrobat's online reviewing
feature actually works with Reader (not the full Acrobat version)? We're
trying to get it work here, and even though Adobe's documentation claims
it should work with Reader, it only works for those who have the full
version. Since our company won't spring for everyone in development to
get the full version, this will kill the idea. Please let me know if you
have any experience with this.



Cheers,

Neil



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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 3rd Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8



Phone: (613) 271-1010, ext. 1066

Fax: (613) 271-2844

Internet: www.solacesystems.com <http://www.solacesystems.com> 

Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com

Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

[Neil Tubb]

Thanks Richard- I see that I overlooked this one line about the Adobe
Document Server. I find it amazing that everyone else skated over this
fact- is it really that common to have this product installed? I'd never
heard of it until today. A co-worker here told me that the Lifecycle
Server product is a piece of junk, and requires its own dedicated
machine to boot. Can anyone dispute this?

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:55 AM
To: Neil Tubb; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

Neil Tubb wrote: 

> Quick question- does anyone out there know if Acrobat's 
> online reviewing feature actually works with Reader (not the 
> full Acrobat version)? We're trying to get it work here, and 
> even though Adobe's documentation claims it should work with 
> Reader, it only works for those who have the full version. 
> Since our company won't spring for everyone in development to 
> get the full version, this will kill the idea. Please let me 
> know if you have any experience with this.

As others have noted, Reader 7 users can comment/review if you enable it
in Acro 7 Pro first. But, that's not the whole story. If you want to
host the doc on a server and enable browser-based review using Reader 7,
be prepared to send Adobe a bunch more money. 

I'd quote from the Acro 7 Pro Help, but you can't select text in that
file! (How annoying is that?) Look up the topic "Setting up a
browser-based review," and you'll see a note saying that Adobe Document
Server or Reader Extensions Server is required to enable Reader 7 users
to participate. 

Without the Adobe server software, you'll have to email the doc to
Reader 7 users. See the topic "Setting up an email-based review." 

HTH!
Richard


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Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

[Neil Tubb]

Fair point John. I guess I wasn't specific enough. We really want the
browser-based review option, because that is the only way reviewers will
be able to see the comments of other reviewers online-- which helps to
avoid multiple comments on the same point. The email and manual roll-up
into one reviewed document is OK, but not as helpful for our needs. 

Funny that it apparently works with Acrobat Reader 6 though...wonder if
we can't just find a copy of 6 out there somewhere and distribute
that...hmmm...

-Original Message-
From: John Posada [mailto:jposad...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:23 PM
To: Neil Tubb; Combs, Richard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

We allow corrections and we don't use the server. You only need the
server if you want to use browser based reviews, which wouldbe
colaborative. That wasn't in the original question, was it?

We make the PDFs, send them to reviewers by email, they open locally
in Reader 7, then save it and send it back.

> Document Server. I find it amazing that everyone else skated over
> this
> fact- is it really that common to have this product installed? I'd
> never
> heard of it until today. A co-worker here told me that the
> Lifecycle
> Server product is a piece of junk, and requires its own dedicated
> machine to boot. Can anyone dispute this?


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

[Neil Tubb]

Thanks Richard. I went through the same thing with the Adobe
site...until I realized that all of their various server products (Adobe
Document Server, Reader Extensions Server, etc.) are actually just part
of the Lifecycle Server product. Not that anyone thought to mention this
anywhere easily accessible at Adobe.com. Oh well.

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:21 PM
To: Neil Tubb; John Posada; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using Acrobat's Online Review Feature

Neil Tubb wrote:  

> Fair point John. I guess I wasn't specific enough. We really 
> want the browser-based review option, because that is the 
> only way reviewers will be able to see the comments of other 
> reviewers online-- which helps to avoid multiple comments on 
> the same point. The email and manual roll-up into one 
> reviewed document is OK, but not as helpful for our needs. 
> 
> Funny that it apparently works with Acrobat Reader 6 
> though...wonder if we can't just find a copy of 6 out there 
> somewhere and distribute that...hmmm...

Not Reader 6 -- Acrobat 6. Reader 7 is the first _reader_ version that
supports review/comment. But the _full_ version of Acrobat 6 (or 7)
permits collaborative review without the Adobe server software. 

BTW, good luck finding out much about the server products on the Adobe
website. When we looked into the review/comment features, I chased my
tail around their site for a couple of hours without ever finding any
pricing info -- or even detailed descriptions beyond the vague
market-speak promises and generalities. Every attempt to drill deeper
eventually led me back to where I'd come from, no wiser than before. :-}


Richard


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Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,



Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of
FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1
(ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade
is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated.



Cheers,

Neil



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Solace Systems, Inc.

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RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

[Neil Tubb]

I find it interesting that a few of you are saving your illustrations as
EPS instead of leaving them as PDF and importing that into Frame. Is
there an advantage to using EPS? I didn't even know you could save as
EPS in Acrobat.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

Guy,

I know that folks will likely tell you that it's not the recommended
way,
but I have embedded Visio objects into a couple of FM books
successfully. I
learned about it from another list member (John, are you out there?),
and it
has been fine.

Other than that, the recommended procedure is clumsy at best: create a
PDF
from Visio, crop it, save as .eps, import into FM (think I'm remembering
that right). Ugly if you expect change to the Visio drawings as I did.

~~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
Intelligent technical communication since 1993
Technical writing, help development,
FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.techcomplus.com/
303-450-9076
800-500-3144
~~
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Special Interest Group
Society for Technical Communication
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
~~


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Guy K. Haas
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:32 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?


My developers give me design files in Word containing embedded Visio
objects to show UML and the like.  While there are not very many, I
WOULD like to use as delayed a binding as possible, to facilitate the
updating of such drawings from (ever?)-changing engineering docs.

I do not believe one can embed such objects themselves in a FrameMaker
document.

I CAN, of course, open the object, save it as a .vsd file, then open the
vsd file IN Visio and save it in some other graphic form (meaning that
I'd have to do it over again whenever the engineers rejigger).

But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options.  The most
desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png,
and .svg[z].  My guess would be .svg because it's vector.

Any guidance on
1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects
2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file.

--TIA,
Guy K. Haas
Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

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Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

[Neil Tubb]

I find it interesting that a few of you are saving your illustrations as
EPS instead of leaving them as PDF and importing that into Frame. Is
there an advantage to using EPS? I didn't even know you could save as
EPS in Acrobat.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+neil.tubb=solacesystems@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+neil.tubb=solacesystems.com at lists.frameusers.com
] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:53 PM
To: gkhaas at usa.net; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

Guy,

I know that folks will likely tell you that it's not the recommended
way,
but I have embedded Visio objects into a couple of FM books
successfully. I
learned about it from another list member (John, are you out there?),
and it
has been fine.

Other than that, the recommended procedure is clumsy at best: create a
PDF
from Visio, crop it, save as .eps, import into FM (think I'm remembering
that right). Ugly if you expect change to the Visio drawings as I did.

~~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
Intelligent technical communication since 1993
Technical writing, help development,
FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions
lindag at techcomplus.com
http://www.techcomplus.com/
303-450-9076
800-500-3144
~~
Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting
Special Interest Group
Society for Technical Communication
http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html
~~


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+lindag=techcomplus.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Guy K. Haas
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:32 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?


My developers give me design files in Word containing embedded Visio
objects to show UML and the like.  While there are not very many, I
WOULD like to use as delayed a binding as possible, to facilitate the
updating of such drawings from (ever?)-changing engineering docs.

I do not believe one can embed such objects themselves in a FrameMaker
document.

I CAN, of course, open the object, save it as a .vsd file, then open the
vsd file IN Visio and save it in some other graphic form (meaning that
I'd have to do it over again whenever the engineers rejigger).

But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options.  The most
desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png,
and .svg[z].  My guess would be .svg because it's vector.

Any guidance on
1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects
2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file.

--TIA,
Guy K. Haas
Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

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Controlling PDF page numbers

[Neil Tubb]

Our trainers are complaining to us that the page numbers in our PDF
manuals (authored in Frame 7.1 on WinXP) don't line up with the
document's page numbers. We told them there is nothing we can do about
this, as Acrobat just assumes the first page is page 1-even if it is the
title page or whatever.



Am I wrong? Is there a utility out there that would let me control my
PDF output in this way? Any advice would be appreciated...



Cheers,
Neil



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Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 3rd Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

Canada



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Anyone used Tortoise CVS with Frame Files

[Neil Tubb]

Hi all,



Just wondering if anyone out there has used the open source Tortoise CVS
with Frame files? I'm looking into it as a way to introduce some simple
version control for our cust docs (just simple check-in,
check-out...obviously no merges or anything like that). Any info would
be appreciated.



Cheers,

Neil



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Senior Technical Writer

Solace Systems, Inc.

535 Legget Drive, 3rd Floor

Ottawa, ON K2K 3B8

Internet: www.solacesystems.com <http://www.solacesystems.com> 

Email: neil.tubb at solacesystems.com

Anyone used Tortoise CVS with Frame Files

[Neil Tubb]

Wow- thanks for all the great responses! I guess my questions were just around 
how stable it was when using binary files. That is a good point about the disk 
space- I'll be sure to mention it to my IT guy. Other than that, I think I'm 
going to go for it...unless someone lets me know that Frame 7.1 is working well 
with WebDAV natively...

Cheers,
Neil


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+neil.tubb=solacesystems@lists.frameusers.com on 
behalf of Martha J Davidson
Sent: Tue 3/14/2006 8:20 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Anyone used Tortoise CVS with Frame Files

I use TortoiseCVS with Frame files. I mark both .fm and .book files
as binary, so that each time I check in the entire file is replaced, and
I don't use CVS Diff. Otherwise, everything works smoothly.

What specific questions do you have?

martha

At 07:58 AM 3/14/2006, Neil Tubb wrote:
>Just wondering if anyone out there has used the open source Tortoise CVS
>with Frame files? I'm looking into it as a way to introduce some simple
>version control for our cust docs (just simple check-in,
>check-out...obviously no merges or anything like that). Any info would
>be appreciated.

--
Martha Jane {Kolman | Davidson}
Dances With Words
editrix at nemasys.com

"Too many words bring about exhaustion."
  --Tao Te Ching, Chapter 5 (translated by Sheets/Tovey)


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