FM Book Won't Optimize -- Can't Open File It Already Has Open

[Pinkham, Jim]

FM 9.0p255
Win XP SP 3
 
Just this morning got this message on a file we reuse in every book. It
appeared in the FM Console after trying unsuccessfully to Format --
Document -- Optimize PDF Size -- Optimize File. This is a routine
procedure for us. So there's nothing out of the ordinary in either the
file or the procedure.
 
[PDFSize]  Error: Cannot open file 13-Safety-US.fm.
 Error: Cannot open file 13-Safety-US.fm.
[PDFSize] Dumping Error Information
[PDFSize]
 
The file that the console claimed FM couldn't open already was open at
the time. I tried MIF washes, first just for it and then for all the
files in the book. Suspecting corruption, I recreated the contents of
the file using a pristine blank template document and saved it under a
different name. I created a new book and moved all the component files
to it.
 
Nada. Zilch. Zero. 
 
The error message persists. Any ideas?
 
TIA,
Jim
 
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FM Book Won't Optimize -- "Can't" Open File It Already Has Open

[Pinkham, Jim]

FM 9.0p255
Win XP SP 3

Just this morning got this message on a file we reuse in every book. It
appeared in the FM Console after trying unsuccessfully to Format -->
Document --> Optimize PDF Size --> Optimize File. This is a routine
procedure for us. So there's nothing out of the ordinary in either the
file or the procedure.

[PDFSize]  Error: Cannot open file 13-Safety-US.fm.
 Error: Cannot open file 13-Safety-US.fm.
[PDFSize] Dumping Error Information
[PDFSize]

The file that the console claimed FM couldn't open already was open at
the time. I tried MIF washes, first just for it and then for all the
files in the book. Suspecting corruption, I recreated the contents of
the file using a pristine blank template document and saved it under a
different name. I created a new book and moved all the component files
to it.

Nada. Zilch. Zero. 

The error message persists. Any ideas?

TIA,
Jim

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RE: Does anyone have an old InDesign template folder?

[Pinkham, Jim]

Carol, you can also use this as a resource: http://goo.gl/n3ApU. There
appear to be more than 130 free templates at the site. And you may find
some useful free templates beyond Adobe here: http://goo.gl/EV14r.

HTH,
Jim

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J.
Elkins
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:11 PM
To: fram...@omsys.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Does anyone have an old InDesign template folder?

Framers, I'm teaching myself InDesign CS5, and as of version CS4, Adobe
no longer provides a folder of sample templates. When I taught myself
Framemaker 200 years ago, I found their well-designed templates to be an
excellent point of reference and helped me make better decisions about
the set-up of my personally designed templates. If anyone would be
willing to share their Template folder from an older version of
InDesign, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

Carol

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[Pinkham, Jim]

Carol, you can also use this as a resource: http://goo.gl/n3ApU. There
appear to be more than 130 free templates at the site. And you may find
some useful free templates beyond Adobe here: http://goo.gl/EV14r.

HTH,
Jim



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Elkins
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:11 PM
To: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Does anyone have an old InDesign template folder?

Framers, I'm teaching myself InDesign CS5, and as of version CS4, Adobe
no longer provides a folder of sample templates. When I taught myself
Framemaker 200 years ago, I found their well-designed templates to be an
excellent point of reference and helped me make better decisions about
the set-up of my personally designed templates. If anyone would be
willing to share their Template folder from an older version of
InDesign, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

Carol

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RE: PowerPoint to Frame

[Pinkham, Jim]

Depending upon what your goals and needs are, another approach might be:
 
1. File -- Send To -- Microsoft Office Word. This gives you the text,
which you can then convert to plain text and format as needed with
styles in in your Frame document.
2. For graphics that need to be retained, I use a PowerPoint macro that
extracts them. I can't come up with the exact link in a hurry, but this
one may do the trick: http://skp.mvps.org/pptxp002.htm. If that does not
work for you, a more labor-intensive but definitely workable approach is
outlined here: http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00344.htm.
 
 



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Flato,
Gillian
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:17 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PowerPoint to Frame



I've got about 25 power point presentations of various sizes from which
I have to create a manual. Does anyone know an easy and effective way to
go from PPT to FM?

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

Gillian Flato

Senior Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

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PowerPoint to Frame

[Pinkham, Jim]

Depending upon what your goals and needs are, another approach might be:

1. File -- Send To -- Microsoft Office Word. This gives you the text,
which you can then convert to plain text and format as needed with
styles in in your Frame document.
2. For graphics that need to be retained, I use a PowerPoint macro that
extracts them. I can't come up with the exact link in a hurry, but this
one may do the trick: http://skp.mvps.org/pptxp002.htm. If that does not
work for you, a more labor-intensive but definitely workable approach is
outlined here: http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00344.htm.





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Gillian
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:17 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PowerPoint to Frame



I've got about 25 power point presentations of various sizes from which
I have to create a manual. Does anyone know an easy and effective way to
go from PPT to FM?





Thank you,





Gillian Flato

Senior Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

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RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

[Pinkham, Jim]

FWIW, this is the approach I'm still using, almost six months later. Sounds 
more complicated than it is: Get a clean template with the right formats. Then 
apply it. 

-Original Message-
From: Ragnar Hanås [mailto:ragnar.ha...@betamed.se] 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:52 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; 'DeRosier, Edward'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

I just opened my first documents from FM 7.2 in FM 9 and all my Dixieland fonts 
in bulleted lists are mixed up. Strangely, the Geographic Symbols seem to work 
fine in bulleted lists. There has to be a simpler solution to this than 
outlined below? Dixieland symbols are also mixed up in plain text, as are 
Symbol Prop so the problem does not only apply to the bulleted lists.
Are there specific problems with certain fonts?
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital, Sweden

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:39 PM
To: DeRosier, Edward; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Ed, I ran into something similar to this with my migration from FM 7 to FM 9 in 
docs I've been working on this week. All of my bulleted lists were messed up 
because of FM 9's translation of certain characters into different characters 
and the ensuing loss of the appropriate font to be applied to the symbols 
(Wingdings, in my case).

I consulted the following two resources:

http://iconlogic.blogs.com/weblog/2010/08/adobe-framemaker-9-but-i-dont-
want-a-plain-round-bullet.html
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2472/guides/frame9/frame_tags.html

These should get you on the path. 

Long story short: I defined a font-specific character format for each of my 
bullet symbols and applied it to each of the five different bullet styles that 
needed it. I did this in a clean doc created from a virgin, minimalist template 
and further stripped everything out of the new doc that I possibly could that 
wasn't related to the formats I desired. Then I stored this in my templates 
folder and imported this stripped-down, format-specific template into my book.

I have two variables, one that uses the LTE symbol and another that use a 
hollow arrow symbol. I took a similar approach with that.

That's as much detail as I can give you on this hectic day, but it worked well.

Good luck!
Jim

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of DeRosier, Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Hi Framers,

I am haing a problem with the character set in FrameMaker 9 (TCS2).

The character set document lists the same keystrokes as in previous FM sets for 
Greater Than or Equal To (GTE).
The GTE character is created in standard font, and is then changed to Symbol 
font.

[Ctrl][q] [3]  =  GTE  (this produces a small box) or
[Alt][0179]=  GTE  (this works)

[Ctrl][q] [#]  =  LTE  (this works)
or
[Alt][0163]=  LTE  (this works)


Problem:
  [Ctrl][q] [3]  ==  S with caron, but not GTE in Symbol font
  [Alt][0179]==  superscript 3, and also GTE  in Symbol font

In my past experience, the S with a caron accent was changed to GTE in Symbol 
font.
Now, however, this produces a small box in Symbol font when created by using 
[Ctrl][q] [3].
While the ASCII character work-around is available, I am concerned with opening 
FM7.2 documents in FM9.  Will previously created GTE characters be lost?
This is important because we are just beginning to use FM9, and all of our 
previous FrameMaker documents were created with FM7.2.

I have opened a book of files (created with FM7) in FM9, updated the entire 
book and saved all files.  Then I checked the GTE characters, and they looked 
fine.  Trying to add additional GTE symbols resulted in the same problem when 
using [Ctrl][q] [3].
This seems to indicated that the GTE symbols are safe, but I am suspicous of 
this new behavior and seek assurances.

My system:
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
Version 9.0p230

Windows XP Professional
Version 2002, Service Pack 2

Dell
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz
3.25 GB RAM

Is anyone else experiencing this same behavior with FM9 ?

We are a small group of tech writers, and we are all experiencing the same 
behavior of FM9.

Thanks for your help and opinions.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

edward.deros...@anritsu.com
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RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

[Pinkham, Jim]

This is probably the wrong day to tell you this, so you're welcome to lay it 
aside for another day, BUT if you have many overriders in your paragraphs, 
you have yet to fully discover and appreciate what FrameMaker is meant to do. 
Let your overrides be few. FrameMaker is all about standardization and 
consistency, with an eye toward making your work life easier.

Others can speak to this knowledgeably, and I'll be glad to stand corrected, 
but if I recall correctly, the changes between FM 7 and FM 9 that are affecting 
you in this particular circumstance have to do with the unicode features of FM 
9 that weren't in FM 7.

In any case, you're probably either going to have to suffer through a lot of 
manual work or clean up your overrides, creating new standard styles where 
appropriate. If you take the second path, you'll save yourself grief in the 
future and the clean import approach won't be nearly as painful.

Regards,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Ragnar Hanås [mailto:ragnar.ha...@betamed.se] 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:13 PM
To: 'De Rosier, Edward'; Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

Thanks for the replies. However, I have many overriders in my paragraphs, so 
this will include a lot of manual work in a 460 page book. There must be some 
explanation for the switch in interpretation of some picture fonts when moving 
to FM9. When I choose a Dixieland symbol from scratch for a bullet in FM9, it 
uses the same letter coding as in FM7. So the problem seems to appear when 
opening a FM7 document in FM9. The problem also appears in body text, i.e. 
another Dixieland symbol shows in FM9 than in FM7. When changing the font to 
Arial a different letter appears.
Regards,
Ragnar

-Original Message-
From: De Rosier, Edward [mailto:edward.deros...@anritsu.com]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:56 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; ragnar.ha...@betamed.se
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

Hi Ragnar,

The solution from Jim is a good one.

Also, my current work group uses Century Schoolbook as our standard Body font.  
The symbols are still as I originally described, but FrameMaker 9 has a 
built‑in Character Palette.

With your cursor in the desired location, open the palette by using:

File  ==  Utilities  ==  Character Palette...

The top list box in the palette displays the font, and you can select from the 
list of those available on your computer.  You can select more than one 
character from the palette and can type in between those characters, but if you 
use the mouse to move your cursor, the palette closes.

Century Schoolbook includes the Less-Than-or-Equal and the 
Greater-Than-or-Equal as characters within the font family (not symbol fonts).  
  On my system, some of the palette characters work, and some do not.  I do not 
know how the FrameMaker interface is intended to handle these symbols, so I 
just accept those that work with gratitude8-)

Your standards fonts my have the characters you desire.  And you can also 
select from the Symbol font family (you will need to apply symbol from your 
Character Catalog).

Best of luck,

Ed DeRosier 


-Original Message-
From: Pinkham, Jim [mailto:jim.pink...@voith.com]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:57 AM
To: Ragnar Hanås; De Rosier, Edward; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

FWIW, this is the approach I'm still using, almost six months later. Sounds 
more complicated than it is: Get a clean template with the right formats. Then 
apply it. 

-Original Message-
From: Ragnar Hanås [mailto:ragnar.ha...@betamed.se]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:52 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; 'DeRosier, Edward'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

I just opened my first documents from FM 7.2 in FM 9 and all my Dixieland fonts 
in bulleted lists are mixed up. Strangely, the Geographic Symbols seem to work 
fine in bulleted lists. There has to be a simpler solution to this than 
outlined below? Dixieland symbols are also mixed up in plain text, as are 
Symbol Prop so the problem does not only apply to the bulleted lists.
Are there specific problems with certain fonts?
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital, Sweden

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:39 PM
To: DeRosier, Edward; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Ed, I ran into something similar to this with my migration from FM 7 to FM 9 in 
docs I've been working on this week. All of my bulleted lists were messed up 
because of FM 9's translation of certain characters into different characters 
and the ensuing loss of the appropriate font to be applied to the symbols 
(Wingdings, in my case

FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

[Pinkham, Jim]

FWIW, this is the approach I'm still using, almost six months later. Sounds 
more complicated than it is: Get a clean template with the right formats. Then 
apply it. 

-Original Message-
From: Ragnar Han?s [mailto:ragnar.ha...@betamed.se] 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:52 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; 'DeRosier, Edward'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

I just opened my first documents from FM 7.2 in FM 9 and all my Dixieland fonts 
in bulleted lists are mixed up. Strangely, the Geographic Symbols seem to work 
fine in bulleted lists. There has to be a simpler solution to this than 
outlined below? Dixieland symbols are also mixed up in plain text, as are 
Symbol Prop so the problem does not only apply to the bulleted lists.
Are there specific problems with certain fonts?
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital, Sweden

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:39 PM
To: DeRosier, Edward; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Ed, I ran into something similar to this with my migration from FM 7 to FM 9 in 
docs I've been working on this week. All of my bulleted lists were messed up 
because of FM 9's "translation" of certain characters into different characters 
and the ensuing "loss" of the appropriate font to be applied to the symbols 
(Wingdings, in my case).

I consulted the following two resources:

http://iconlogic.blogs.com/weblog/2010/08/adobe-framemaker-9-but-i-dont-
want-a-plain-round-bullet.html
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2472/guides/frame9/frame_tags.html

These should get you on the path. 

Long story short: I defined a font-specific character format for each of my 
bullet symbols and applied it to each of the five different bullet styles that 
needed it. I did this in a clean doc created from a virgin, minimalist template 
and further stripped everything out of the new doc that I possibly could that 
wasn't related to the formats I desired. Then I stored this in my templates 
folder and imported this stripped-down, format-specific template into my book.

I have two variables, one that uses the LTE symbol and another that use a 
hollow arrow symbol. I took a similar approach with that.

That's as much detail as I can give you on this hectic day, but it worked well.

Good luck!
Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of DeRosier, Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:02 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Hi Framers,

I am haing a problem with the character set in FrameMaker 9 (TCS2).

The character set document lists the same keystrokes as in previous FM sets for 
Greater Than or Equal To (GTE).
The GTE character is created in standard font, and is then changed to "Symbol" 
font.

[Ctrl][q] [3]  =>  GTE  (this produces a small box) or
[Alt][0179]=>  GTE  (this works)

[Ctrl][q] [#]  =>  LTE  (this works)
or
[Alt][0163]=>  LTE  (this works)


Problem:
  [Ctrl][q] [3]  ==>  S with caron, but not GTE in Symbol font
  [Alt][0179]==>  superscript 3, and also GTE  in Symbol font

In my past experience, the S with a caron accent was changed to GTE in Symbol 
font.
Now, however, this produces a small box in Symbol font when created by using 
[Ctrl][q] [3].
While the ASCII character work-around is available, I am concerned with opening 
FM7.2 documents in FM9.  Will previously created GTE characters be lost?
This is important because we are just beginning to use FM9, and all of our 
previous FrameMaker documents were created with FM7.2.

I have opened a book of files (created with FM7) in FM9, updated the entire 
book and saved all files.  Then I checked the GTE characters, and they looked 
fine.  Trying to add additional GTE symbols resulted in the same problem when 
using [Ctrl][q] [3].
This seems to indicated that the GTE symbols are "safe", but I am suspicous of 
this new behavior and seek assurances.

My system:
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
Version 9.0p230

Windows XP Professional
Version 2002, Service Pack 2

Dell
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz
3.25 GB RAM

Is anyone else experiencing this same behavior with FM9 ?

We are a small group of tech writers, and we are all experiencing the same 
behavior of FM9.

Thanks for your help and opinions.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

Edward.DeRosier at anritsu.com
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FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

[Pinkham, Jim]

This is probably the wrong day to tell you this, so you're welcome to lay it 
aside for another day, BUT if you have "many overriders" in your paragraphs, 
you have yet to fully discover and appreciate what FrameMaker is meant to do. 
Let your overrides be few. FrameMaker is all about standardization and 
consistency, with an eye toward making your work life easier.

Others can speak to this knowledgeably, and I'll be glad to stand corrected, 
but if I recall correctly, the changes between FM 7 and FM 9 that are affecting 
you in this particular circumstance have to do with the unicode features of FM 
9 that weren't in FM 7.

In any case, you're probably either going to have to suffer through a lot of 
manual work or clean up your overrides, creating new standard styles where 
appropriate. If you take the second path, you'll save yourself grief in the 
future and the clean import approach won't be nearly as painful.

Regards,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Ragnar Han?s [mailto:ragnar.ha...@betamed.se] 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:13 PM
To: 'De Rosier, Edward'; Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

Thanks for the replies. However, I have many overriders in my paragraphs, so 
this will include a lot of manual work in a 460 page book. There must be some 
explanation for the switch in interpretation of some picture fonts when moving 
to FM9. When I choose a Dixieland symbol from scratch for a bullet in FM9, it 
uses the same letter coding as in FM7. So the problem seems to appear when 
opening a FM7 document in FM9. The problem also appears in body text, i.e. 
another Dixieland symbol shows in FM9 than in FM7. When changing the font to 
Arial a different letter appears.
Regards,
Ragnar

-Original Message-
From: De Rosier, Edward [mailto:edward.deros...@anritsu.com]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 6:56 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; ragnar.hanas at betamed.se
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

Hi Ragnar,

The solution from Jim is a good one.

Also, my current work group uses Century Schoolbook as our standard Body font.  
The symbols are still as I originally described, but FrameMaker 9 has a 
built?in Character Palette.

With your cursor in the desired location, open the palette by using:

File  ==>  Utilities  ==>  Character Palette...

The top list box in the palette displays the font, and you can select from the 
list of those available on your computer.  You can select more than one 
character from the palette and can type in between those characters, but if you 
use the mouse to move your cursor, the palette closes.

Century Schoolbook includes the Less-Than-or-Equal and the 
Greater-Than-or-Equal as characters within the font family (not symbol fonts).  
  On my system, some of the palette characters work, and some do not.  I do not 
know how the FrameMaker interface is intended to handle these symbols, so I 
just accept those that work with gratitude8-)

Your standards fonts my have the characters you desire.  And you can also 
select from the Symbol font family (you will need to apply symbol from your 
Character Catalog).

Best of luck,

Ed DeRosier 


-Original Message-----
From: Pinkham, Jim [mailto:jim.pink...@voith.com]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:57 AM
To: Ragnar Han?s; De Rosier, Edward; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

FWIW, this is the approach I'm still using, almost six months later. Sounds 
more complicated than it is: Get a clean template with the right formats. Then 
apply it. 

-Original Message-
From: Ragnar Han?s [mailto:ragnar.ha...@betamed.se]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:52 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; 'DeRosier, Edward'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - Dixieland problems

I just opened my first documents from FM 7.2 in FM 9 and all my Dixieland fonts 
in bulleted lists are mixed up. Strangely, the Geographic Symbols seem to work 
fine in bulleted lists. There has to be a simpler solution to this than 
outlined below? Dixieland symbols are also mixed up in plain text, as are 
Symbol Prop so the problem does not only apply to the bulleted lists.
Are there specific problems with certain fonts?
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital, Sweden

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:39 PM
To: DeRosier, Edward; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Ed, I ran into something similar to this with my migration from FM 7 to FM 9 in 
docs I've been working on this week. All of my bulleted lists were messed up 
because of FM 9's "translation" of certain characters into different characters 
and the ensuing "loss" o

RE: FrameMaker 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

And I didn't mean to overstate my response, Fred. I do appreciate what
you bring to us here. I'm usually keeping a close eye on the list and
try to pitch in if I suspect I can say something useful. Of course, I've
been known to miscalculate now and then :)
 
Jim



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:50 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; km...@i-t-tech.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9


I didn't mean to chase you back to lurkdom, Jim. Really! I was just
trying to keep things reasonably on-point. 
 
-Fred
 



Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:19:37 -0500
From: jim.pink...@voith.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com; km...@i-t-tech.com;
framers@lists.frameusers.com


Astute, as usual, Fred. I'll return to lurkdom, for the time being, duly
corrected. I sympathize with Karen: It's unfortunate that anyone with a
setup as robust as hers appears to be has to struggle with the
functionality problems she outlines.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 8:13 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; km...@i-t-tech.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9


I'm afraid it may not be worth very much as a data point, because there
is a world of difference between Windows XP and any 64-bit version of
Windows Vista or (more likely in Karen's case because she does refer to
a new Dell) Windows 7. When the issue is the stability (or lack
thereof) of an application, the specific version of the OS is likely to
be at least as much a factor as any of the hardware details with the
possible exception of the amount of RAM. And the migration from 32-bit
to 64-bit addressing was a major change that seems to have caused
compatibilty and/or stability issues with a lot of apps.
 



Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:53:02 -0500
From: jim.pink...@voith.com
To: km...@i-t-tech.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com


FWIW, I've been using FM 9 with these specs at work since December, and
I've never run into the bug you're experiencing:
 
Dell Precision T3400
Win XP SP 3
80GB HD
2.67 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache (3.3 GB usable installed memory)
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Not hyper-threaded
 
I'm habitually running Office 2003, Acrobat X, and Illustrator CS 5 and
half a dozen other things. My FM 9 books incorporate AutoCad and
Inventor graphics, often run twice as large as yours. I sometimes don't
reboot for a week at a time.
 
I'm skeptical of Dell's allegation in your case.
 
HTH,
Jim



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:00 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9



Has anyone else had this issue?

 

I have a new Dell,  64 bit, 12G RAM, 500 hd - 1g video on card, graphics
card Navidia Quatro 2000 card, 

 

Office 2010, Acrobat 9 - InDesign CS4

 

I usually run with 1 small doc open in Word and one explorer window
open. 

 

FrameMaker 9 (all updates) files are line art and text, 30 to 60 pages.

After a couple of hours of work the panels stop working. I can click on
any icon and nothing works. So have to close out files and log back in
FrameMaker. It will work for a while longer and then I have to reboot
and start the cycle over.

 

Dell has tried everything and nothing works.  They say it's a FrameMaker
bug...

 

Would appreciate any assistance, and thank you in advance. 

Karen M

 


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FrameMaker 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

And I didn't mean to overstate my response, Fred. I do appreciate what
you bring to us here. I'm usually keeping a close eye on the list and
try to pitch in if I suspect I can say something useful. Of course, I've
been known to miscalculate now and then :)

Jim



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:50 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; kmann at i-t-tech.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9


I didn't mean to chase you back to lurkdom, Jim. Really! I was just
trying to keep things reasonably on-point. 

-Fred




Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 21:19:37 -0500
From: jim.pink...@voith.com
To: docudoc at hotmail.com; kmann at i-t-tech.com;
framers at lists.frameusers.com


Astute, as usual, Fred. I'll return to lurkdom, for the time being, duly
corrected. I sympathize with Karen: It's unfortunate that anyone with a
setup as robust as hers appears to be has to struggle with the
functionality problems she outlines.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 8:13 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; kmann at i-t-tech.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9


I'm afraid it may not be worth very much as a data point, because there
is a world of difference between Windows XP and any 64-bit version of
Windows Vista or (more likely in Karen's case because she does refer to
a "new Dell") Windows 7. When the issue is the stability (or lack
thereof) of an application, the specific version of the OS is likely to
be at least as much a factor as any of the hardware details with the
possible exception of the amount of RAM. And the migration from 32-bit
to 64-bit addressing was a major change that seems to have caused
compatibilty and/or stability issues with a lot of apps.




Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:53:02 -0500
From: jim.pink...@voith.com
To: kmann at i-t-tech.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com


FWIW, I've been using FM 9 with these specs at work since December, and
I've never run into the bug you're experiencing:

Dell Precision T3400
Win XP SP 3
80GB HD
2.67 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache (3.3 GB usable installed memory)
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Not hyper-threaded

I'm habitually running Office 2003, Acrobat X, and Illustrator CS 5 and
half a dozen other things. My FM 9 books incorporate AutoCad and
Inventor graphics, often run twice as large as yours. I sometimes don't
reboot for a week at a time.

I'm skeptical of Dell's allegation in your case.

HTH,
Jim



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:00 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9



Has anyone else had this issue?



I have a new Dell,  64 bit, 12G RAM, 500 hd - 1g video on card, graphics
card Navidia Quatro 2000 card, 



Office 2010, Acrobat 9 - InDesign CS4



I usually run with 1 small doc open in Word and one explorer window
open. 



FrameMaker 9 (all updates) files are line art and text, 30 to 60 pages.

After a couple of hours of work the panels stop working. I can click on
any icon and nothing works. So have to close out files and log back in
FrameMaker. It will work for a while longer and then I have to reboot
and start the cycle over.



Dell has tried everything and nothing works.  They say it's a FrameMaker
bug...



Would appreciate any assistance, and thank you in advance. 

Karen M




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RE: FrameMaker 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

FWIW, I've been using FM 9 with these specs at work since December, and
I've never run into the bug you're experiencing:
 
Dell Precision T3400
Win XP SP 3
80GB HD
2.67 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache (3.3 GB usable installed memory)
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Not hyper-threaded
 
I'm habitually running Office 2003, Acrobat X, and Illustrator CS 5 and
half a dozen other things. My FM 9 books incorporate AutoCad and
Inventor graphics, often run twice as large as yours. I sometimes don't
reboot for a week at a time.
 
I'm skeptical of Dell's allegation in your case.
 
HTH,
Jim



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:00 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9



Has anyone else had this issue?

 

I have a new Dell,  64 bit, 12G RAM, 500 hd - 1g video on card, graphics
card Navidia Quatro 2000 card, 

 

Office 2010, Acrobat 9 - InDesign CS4

 

I usually run with 1 small doc open in Word and one explorer window
open. 

 

FrameMaker 9 (all updates) files are line art and text, 30 to 60 pages.

After a couple of hours of work the panels stop working. I can click on
any icon and nothing works. So have to close out files and log back in
FrameMaker. It will work for a while longer and then I have to reboot
and start the cycle over.

 

Dell has tried everything and nothing works.  They say it's a FrameMaker
bug...

 

Would appreciate any assistance, and thank you in advance. 

Karen M

 

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RE: FrameMaker 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

Astute, as usual, Fred. I'll return to lurkdom, for the time being, duly
corrected. I sympathize with Karen: It's unfortunate that anyone with a
setup as robust as hers appears to be has to struggle with the
functionality problems she outlines.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 8:13 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; km...@i-t-tech.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9


I'm afraid it may not be worth very much as a data point, because there
is a world of difference between Windows XP and any 64-bit version of
Windows Vista or (more likely in Karen's case because she does refer to
a new Dell) Windows 7. When the issue is the stability (or lack
thereof) of an application, the specific version of the OS is likely to
be at least as much a factor as any of the hardware details with the
possible exception of the amount of RAM. And the migration from 32-bit
to 64-bit addressing was a major change that seems to have caused
compatibilty and/or stability issues with a lot of apps.
 



Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:53:02 -0500
From: jim.pink...@voith.com
To: km...@i-t-tech.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com


FWIW, I've been using FM 9 with these specs at work since December, and
I've never run into the bug you're experiencing:
 
Dell Precision T3400
Win XP SP 3
80GB HD
2.67 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache (3.3 GB usable installed memory)
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Not hyper-threaded
 
I'm habitually running Office 2003, Acrobat X, and Illustrator CS 5 and
half a dozen other things. My FM 9 books incorporate AutoCad and
Inventor graphics, often run twice as large as yours. I sometimes don't
reboot for a week at a time.
 
I'm skeptical of Dell's allegation in your case.
 
HTH,
Jim



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:00 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9



Has anyone else had this issue?

 

I have a new Dell,  64 bit, 12G RAM, 500 hd - 1g video on card, graphics
card Navidia Quatro 2000 card, 

 

Office 2010, Acrobat 9 - InDesign CS4

 

I usually run with 1 small doc open in Word and one explorer window
open. 

 

FrameMaker 9 (all updates) files are line art and text, 30 to 60 pages.

After a couple of hours of work the panels stop working. I can click on
any icon and nothing works. So have to close out files and log back in
FrameMaker. It will work for a while longer and then I have to reboot
and start the cycle over.

 

Dell has tried everything and nothing works.  They say it's a FrameMaker
bug...

 

Would appreciate any assistance, and thank you in advance. 

Karen M

 


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FrameMaker 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

FWIW, I've been using FM 9 with these specs at work since December, and
I've never run into the bug you're experiencing:

Dell Precision T3400
Win XP SP 3
80GB HD
2.67 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache (3.3 GB usable installed memory)
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Not hyper-threaded

I'm habitually running Office 2003, Acrobat X, and Illustrator CS 5 and
half a dozen other things. My FM 9 books incorporate AutoCad and
Inventor graphics, often run twice as large as yours. I sometimes don't
reboot for a week at a time.

I'm skeptical of Dell's allegation in your case.

HTH,
Jim



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:00 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9



Has anyone else had this issue?



I have a new Dell,  64 bit, 12G RAM, 500 hd - 1g video on card, graphics
card Navidia Quatro 2000 card, 



Office 2010, Acrobat 9 - InDesign CS4



I usually run with 1 small doc open in Word and one explorer window
open. 



FrameMaker 9 (all updates) files are line art and text, 30 to 60 pages.

After a couple of hours of work the panels stop working. I can click on
any icon and nothing works. So have to close out files and log back in
FrameMaker. It will work for a while longer and then I have to reboot
and start the cycle over.



Dell has tried everything and nothing works.  They say it's a FrameMaker
bug...



Would appreciate any assistance, and thank you in advance. 

Karen M



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FrameMaker 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

Astute, as usual, Fred. I'll return to lurkdom, for the time being, duly
corrected. I sympathize with Karen: It's unfortunate that anyone with a
setup as robust as hers appears to be has to struggle with the
functionality problems she outlines.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 8:13 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; kmann at i-t-tech.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9


I'm afraid it may not be worth very much as a data point, because there
is a world of difference between Windows XP and any 64-bit version of
Windows Vista or (more likely in Karen's case because she does refer to
a "new Dell") Windows 7. When the issue is the stability (or lack
thereof) of an application, the specific version of the OS is likely to
be at least as much a factor as any of the hardware details with the
possible exception of the amount of RAM. And the migration from 32-bit
to 64-bit addressing was a major change that seems to have caused
compatibilty and/or stability issues with a lot of apps.




Subject: RE: FrameMaker 9
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:53:02 -0500
From: jim.pink...@voith.com
To: kmann at i-t-tech.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com


FWIW, I've been using FM 9 with these specs at work since December, and
I've never run into the bug you're experiencing:

Dell Precision T3400
Win XP SP 3
80GB HD
2.67 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
4096 kilobyte secondary memory cache (3.3 GB usable installed memory)
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Not hyper-threaded

I'm habitually running Office 2003, Acrobat X, and Illustrator CS 5 and
half a dozen other things. My FM 9 books incorporate AutoCad and
Inventor graphics, often run twice as large as yours. I sometimes don't
reboot for a week at a time.

I'm skeptical of Dell's allegation in your case.

HTH,
Jim



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:00 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9



Has anyone else had this issue?



I have a new Dell,  64 bit, 12G RAM, 500 hd - 1g video on card, graphics
card Navidia Quatro 2000 card, 



Office 2010, Acrobat 9 - InDesign CS4



I usually run with 1 small doc open in Word and one explorer window
open. 



FrameMaker 9 (all updates) files are line art and text, 30 to 60 pages.

After a couple of hours of work the panels stop working. I can click on
any icon and nothing works. So have to close out files and log back in
FrameMaker. It will work for a while longer and then I have to reboot
and start the cycle over.



Dell has tried everything and nothing works.  They say it's a FrameMaker
bug...



Would appreciate any assistance, and thank you in advance. 

Karen M




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RE: FM8 crashing like it's Word

[Pinkham, Jim]

A must-have, in my book. Thanks for doing this, Jeremy! 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:19 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM8 crashing like it's Word

On Sun, 15 May 2011 15:19:39 +0300, Orly Zimmerman or...@marvell.com
wrote:

If all else fails, usually, a MIF wash solves the problem, so I have 
scripts to save all my book files as MIFs and save all the MIF's back 
to FM.

If you want to do this real fast and easy, without a script, install the
demo version of Mif2Go.  It adds Wash via MIF to the File menu; use
Shift-File to wash the whole book in one shot.  No charge.
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm#Mif2Go_Downloads

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Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hi, all,
 
I'm trying to simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to Mexico. 
If it works well, I'll be using this conversion fairly often. I'm using 
ReplaceText 2.2 (formerly BK ReplaceEm) to work on MIF files exported from FM 
9. 
 
During a test run, everything seems to be working cleanly EXCEPT the accented 
characters.
 
Thus:
 
Comunicación de peligros y riesgos por sustancias químicas peligrosas
becomes
 
ComunicaciÛn de peligros y riesgos por sustancias quÌmicas peligrosas
after I rename the MIF files to FM files and open the converted file in FM 9.
 
(Note the accented second o in comunicaion and the first i in quimicas, if 
you're not reading this in HTML.)
 
Unfortunately, as an old WMX client used to say on a job long ago, That dog 
won't hunt!
 
I'm running Win XP SP-3 and FM 9.0p255.
 
Suggestions welcome :)
 
TIA,
Jim
 
 
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RE: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

[Pinkham, Jim]

Further note: The characters are correct when I open the MIF file in Notepad++; 
the substitution occurs once the file is opened in Frame.



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:11 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace


Hi, all,
 
I'm trying to simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to Mexico. 
If it works well, I'll be using this conversion fairly often. I'm using 
ReplaceText 2.2 (formerly BK ReplaceEm) to work on MIF files exported from FM 
9. 
 
During a test run, everything seems to be working cleanly EXCEPT the accented 
characters.
 
Thus:
 
Comunicación de peligros y riesgos por sustancias químicas peligrosas
becomes
 
ComunicaciÛn de peligros y riesgos por sustancias quÌmicas peligrosas
after I rename the MIF files to FM files and open the converted file in FM 9.
 
(Note the accented second o in comunicaion and the first i in quimicas, if 
you're not reading this in HTML.)
 
Unfortunately, as an old WMX client used to say on a job long ago, That dog 
won't hunt!
 
I'm running Win XP SP-3 and FM 9.0p255.
 
Suggestions welcome :)
 
TIA,
Jim
 
 
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RE: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

[Pinkham, Jim]

Ah, let me clarify:

In my normal manuals, we have a chapter containing OSHA safety
resources, and various x-refs within the other chapters point to it.
In my Mexican manuals, the Regional Safety References chapter alludes
to Mexican normas, and the other chapters have x-refs to those Mexican
safety regs listed there.

So, for instance, the Replace Group would include the following:

OSHA Crane Safety Quick Card
Equipo suspendido de acceso

The find-and-replace looks for all of the x-ref markers to OSHA crane
safety and replaces them with x-refs to Equipo suspendido.

When I work on a manual going to Mexico, I pull out the standard U.S.
Ch. 12 and put the standard MX Ch. 12 into the book instead. When I do
this, the x-refs in Ch. 2, for instance, are broken because they're
looking for the normal OSHA refs in Ch. 12. 

Perhaps I've been complicating my life unnecessarily, but what I've been
doing, as I come to an x-ref in Ch. 2 that would normally point to an
item in the U.S. Ch. 12, is change it to the appropriate Spanish x-ref
for the Mexican Ch. 12. Automating that process of fixing the x-refs to
point to the appropriate resource seems like a more sensible way to go.

So the problem is that the replaced x-refs have the aformentioned font
issue when opened in FM 9.

Does that make things clearer?

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:00 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

Pinkham, Jim wrote:
 
 I'm trying to simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to 
 Mexico. If it works well, I'll be using this conversion fairly often.
 I'm using ReplaceText 2.2 (formerly BK ReplaceEm) to work on MIF 
 files exported from FM 9.

I don't know about other list members (many of whom are more qualified
to address your issue), but I don't understand what you mean by
simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to Mexico. My
experience with translations/localizations is rather limited, but I know
of no reason why one would need to convert (whatever that means) FM's
xrefs. Or manipulate the translated docs outside of FM. 

If the destination text for an xref is translated, the xref will resolve
to (and thus display, if the $paratext building block is used) the
translated text. Unless the translators messed with the xref markers
(which they certainly shouldn't). 

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you, and it makes sense to other list
members -- but the lack of any immediate response makes me think perhaps
not. :-} 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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[Pinkham, Jim]

A must-have, in my book. Thanks for doing this, Jeremy! 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:19 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM8 crashing like it's Word

On Sun, 15 May 2011 15:19:39 +0300, Orly Zimmerman 
wrote:

>If all else fails, usually, a MIF wash solves the problem, so I have 
>scripts to save all my book files as MIFs and save all the MIF's back 
>to FM.

If you want to do this real fast and easy, without a script, install the
demo version of Mif2Go.  It adds "Wash via MIF" to the File menu; use
Shift-File to wash the whole book in one shot.  No charge.
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm#Mif2Go_Downloads

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Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hi, all,

I'm trying to simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to Mexico. 
If it works well, I'll be using this conversion fairly often. I'm using 
ReplaceText 2.2 (formerly "BK ReplaceEm") to work on MIF files exported from FM 
9. 

During a test run, everything seems to be working cleanly EXCEPT the accented 
characters.

Thus:

Comunicaci?n de peligros y riesgos por sustancias qu?micas peligrosas
becomes

Comunicaci?n de peligros y riesgos por sustancias qu?micas peligrosas
after I rename the MIF files to FM files and open the converted file in FM 9.

(Note the accented second "o" in comunicaion and the first "i" in quimicas, if 
you're not reading this in HTML.)

Unfortunately, as an old WMX client used to say on a job long ago, "That dog 
won't hunt!"

I'm running Win XP SP-3 and FM 9.0p255.

Suggestions welcome :)

TIA,
Jim


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[Pinkham, Jim]

Further note: The characters are correct when I open the MIF file in Notepad++; 
the substitution occurs once the file is opened in Frame.



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:11 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace


Hi, all,

I'm trying to simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to Mexico. 
If it works well, I'll be using this conversion fairly often. I'm using 
ReplaceText 2.2 (formerly "BK ReplaceEm") to work on MIF files exported from FM 
9. 

During a test run, everything seems to be working cleanly EXCEPT the accented 
characters.

Thus:

Comunicaci?n de peligros y riesgos por sustancias qu?micas peligrosas
becomes

Comunicaci?n de peligros y riesgos por sustancias qu?micas peligrosas
after I rename the MIF files to FM files and open the converted file in FM 9.

(Note the accented second "o" in comunicaion and the first "i" in quimicas, if 
you're not reading this in HTML.)

Unfortunately, as an old WMX client used to say on a job long ago, "That dog 
won't hunt!"

I'm running Win XP SP-3 and FM 9.0p255.

Suggestions welcome :)

TIA,
Jim


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Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

[Pinkham, Jim]

Ah, let me clarify:

In my normal manuals, we have a chapter containing OSHA safety
resources, and various x-refs within the other chapters point to it.
In my Mexican manuals, the "Regional Safety References" chapter alludes
to Mexican "normas," and the other chapters have x-refs to those Mexican
safety regs listed there.

So, for instance, the Replace Group would include the following:

OSHA Crane Safety Quick Card
Equipo suspendido de acceso

The find-and-replace looks for all of the x-ref markers to OSHA crane
safety and replaces them with x-refs to "Equipo suspendido".

When I work on a manual going to Mexico, I pull out the standard U.S.
Ch. 12 and put the standard MX Ch. 12 into the book instead. When I do
this, the x-refs in Ch. 2, for instance, are broken because they're
looking for the normal OSHA refs in Ch. 12. 

Perhaps I've been complicating my life unnecessarily, but what I've been
doing, as I come to an x-ref in Ch. 2 that would normally point to an
item in the U.S. Ch. 12, is change it to the appropriate Spanish x-ref
for the Mexican Ch. 12. Automating that process of fixing the x-refs to
point to the appropriate resource seems like a more sensible way to go.

So the problem is that the replaced x-refs have the aformentioned font
issue when opened in FM 9.

Does that make things clearer?

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:00 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

Pinkham, Jim wrote:

> I'm trying to simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to 
> Mexico. If it works well, I'll be using this conversion fairly often.
> I'm using ReplaceText 2.2 (formerly "BK ReplaceEm") to work on MIF 
> files exported from FM 9.

I don't know about other list members (many of whom are more qualified
to address your issue), but I don't understand what you mean by
"simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to Mexico." My
experience with translations/localizations is rather limited, but I know
of no reason why one would need to "convert" (whatever that means) FM's
xrefs. Or manipulate the translated docs outside of FM. 

If the destination text for an xref is translated, the xref will resolve
to (and thus display, if the $paratext building block is used) the
translated text. Unless the translators messed with the xref markers
(which they certainly shouldn't). 

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you, and it makes sense to other list
members -- but the lack of any immediate response makes me think perhaps
not. :-} 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

[Pinkham, Jim]

It sounds interesting, Lief. I've not yet tried the excluding/including
approach yet. Thanks for the idea! I'm still interested in a solution to
the font-rendering fiasco, but I'll have to look into this, too.

Jim 

-Original Message-
From: Lief Erickson [mailto:l...@networkinstruments.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:40 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

Since you're working in FM9, have you considered putting both files into
your book, then excluding/including the file you want and making two
xrefs in Chp. 2? 

-Lief

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:21 PM
To: Combs, Richard; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

Ah, let me clarify:

In my normal manuals, we have a chapter containing OSHA safety
resources, and various x-refs within the other chapters point to it.
In my Mexican manuals, the "Regional Safety References" chapter alludes
to Mexican "normas," and the other chapters have x-refs to those Mexican
safety regs listed there.

So, for instance, the Replace Group would include the following:

OSHA Crane Safety Quick Card
Equipo suspendido de acceso

The find-and-replace looks for all of the x-ref markers to OSHA crane
safety and replaces them with x-refs to "Equipo suspendido".

When I work on a manual going to Mexico, I pull out the standard U.S.
Ch. 12 and put the standard MX Ch. 12 into the book instead. When I do
this, the x-refs in Ch. 2, for instance, are broken because they're
looking for the normal OSHA refs in Ch. 12. 

Perhaps I've been complicating my life unnecessarily, but what I've been
doing, as I come to an x-ref in Ch. 2 that would normally point to an
item in the U.S. Ch. 12, is change it to the appropriate Spanish x-ref
for the Mexican Ch. 12. Automating that process of fixing the x-refs to
point to the appropriate resource seems like a more sensible way to go.

So the problem is that the replaced x-refs have the aformentioned font
issue when opened in FM 9.

Does that make things clearer?

Jim

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:00 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame Characters -- Search and Replace

Pinkham, Jim wrote:

> I'm trying to simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to 
> Mexico. If it works well, I'll be using this conversion fairly often.
> I'm using ReplaceText 2.2 (formerly "BK ReplaceEm") to work on MIF 
> files exported from FM 9.

I don't know about other list members (many of whom are more qualified
to address your issue), but I don't understand what you mean by
"simplify conversion of some x-refs in a manual going to Mexico." My
experience with translations/localizations is rather limited, but I know
of no reason why one would need to "convert" (whatever that means) FM's
xrefs. Or manipulate the translated docs outside of FM. 

If the destination text for an xref is translated, the xref will resolve
to (and thus display, if the $paratext building block is used) the
translated text. Unless the translators messed with the xref markers
(which they certainly shouldn't). 

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you, and it makes sense to other list
members -- but the lack of any immediate response makes me think perhaps
not. :-} 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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RE: Converting Word doc to Frame.

[Pinkham, Jim]

I'm a big fan of those two plug-ins on the FM side. Good point :) 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:54 AM
To: Pinkham, Jim; Flato, Gillian; Yorke, Carl;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Converting Word doc to Frame.

At 10:25 -0500 11/5/11, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

 BTW, Jack Lyon, over on the Editorium, has a Delete Unused Styles
macro that's very helpful for getting rid of the detritus in a Word doc
or template so that the Word doc you're importing into Frame with your
File-Import command only has the limited set of styles that you want and
need.

SiliconPrairie's Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plug-ins have the
respective 'Delete unused styles' commands too. Ok, you have to buy
these, but they're not costly, and have a load of other useful commands
as well.

It's somehow really satisfying to see the para style palette shrink
before your eyes ;-) I've had a document (which had clearly 'been around
a bit') go from over 100 para styles to about six before now.

Their Table Tools plug-in does the same thing for unused table styles.

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Converting Word doc to Frame.

[Pinkham, Jim]

I'm a big fan of those two plug-ins on the FM side. Good point :) 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:54 AM
To: Pinkham, Jim; Flato, Gillian; Yorke, Carl;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Converting Word doc to Frame.

At 10:25 -0500 11/5/11, Pinkham, Jim wrote:

> BTW, Jack Lyon, over on the Editorium, has a Delete Unused Styles
macro that's very helpful for getting rid of the detritus in a Word doc
or template so that the Word doc you're importing into Frame with your
File-Import command only has the limited set of styles that you want and
need.

SiliconPrairie's Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plug-ins have the
respective 'Delete unused styles' commands too. Ok, you have to buy
these, but they're not costly, and have a load of other useful commands
as well.

It's somehow really satisfying to see the para style palette shrink
before your eyes ;-) I've had a document (which had clearly 'been around
a bit') go from over 100 para styles to about six before now.

Their Table Tools plug-in does the same thing for unused table styles.

--
Steve

RE: Converting Word doc to Frame.

[Pinkham, Jim]

Second that. And to further elaborate: On Page 5 of that document, Tim
Murray notes, Frame could care less if a heading is named Heading 1 or
Fred_Flintstone, so you don't really have to mess with Word's style
names before the conversion unless you want to change the style names to
match the target template. 
When I've used Tim's document, I did exactly that: I defined styles in
Word that matched what I had and wanted in the Frame template. Then I
styled the Word doc so that it had only the same-named styles as Frame
and then did the import. BTW, Jack Lyon, over on the Editorium, has a
Delete Unused Styles macro that's very helpful for getting rid of the
detritus in a Word doc or template so that the Word doc you're importing
into Frame with your File-Import command only has the limited set of
styles that you want and need.
 
HTH,
Jim



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Flato,
Gillian
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 5:30 PM
To: Yorke, Carl; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Converting Word doc to Frame. 



When I've done in the past, after prepping the file with Word2Frame.pdf,
I have opened the Word file in Frame, letting Frame convert it. Then I
go to a paragraph style, change it to what I want, and then do an update
all in the paragraph designer. 

 

Thank you,

 

 

Gillian Flato

Senior Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

* gfl...@nanometrics.com mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yorke, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:21 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Converting Word doc to Frame. 

 

I know I've seen this on the board before, but I can't find it.

 

I'm using Frame 9 on XP.

 

I'm moving some big docs from Word to Frame. I did all the preparation
from word2frame.pdf, but that doc never says how to actually import the
Word doc into the file with the Frame template I've prepared.

 

When I do bring the Word file over, everything marked Normal stays
Normal. When I do a global update from Normal to Body, all the 'Normal'
text becomes '*Body', but the font does not change to what I have for
Body.  Then I have to go through one paragraph at a time and assign
Default Font. So what's the point of Global Update?

 

Help?

Thanks,

 

Carl Yorke
Documentation Manager
ActiveVideo Networks, Inc.
333 W. San Carlos Street, Suite 400
San Jose, CA 95110   
408.931.9085
www.avnetworks.com

 

 

 

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Converting Word doc to Frame.

[Pinkham, Jim]

Second that. And to further elaborate: On Page 5 of that document, Tim
Murray notes, "Frame could care less if a heading is named Heading 1 or
Fred_Flintstone, so you don't really have to mess with Word's style
names before the conversion unless you want to change the style names to
match the target template." 
When I've used Tim's document, I did exactly that: I defined styles in
Word that matched what I had and wanted in the Frame template. Then I
styled the Word doc so that it had only the same-named styles as Frame
and then did the import. BTW, Jack Lyon, over on the Editorium, has a
Delete Unused Styles macro that's very helpful for getting rid of the
detritus in a Word doc or template so that the Word doc you're importing
into Frame with your File-Import command only has the limited set of
styles that you want and need.

HTH,
Jim



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Flato,
Gillian
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 5:30 PM
To: Yorke, Carl; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Converting Word doc to Frame. 



When I've done in the past, after prepping the file with Word2Frame.pdf,
I have opened the Word file in Frame, letting Frame convert it. Then I
go to a paragraph style, change it to what I want, and then do an update
all in the paragraph designer. 



Thank you,





Gillian Flato

Senior Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

7  408.232.5911

* gflato at nanometrics.com  



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yorke, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:21 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Converting Word doc to Frame. 



I know I've seen this on the board before, but I can't find it.



I'm using Frame 9 on XP.



I'm moving some big docs from Word to Frame. I did all the preparation
from word2frame.pdf, but that doc never says how to actually import the
Word doc into the file with the Frame template I've prepared.



When I do bring the Word file over, everything marked Normal stays
Normal. When I do a global update from Normal to Body, all the 'Normal'
text becomes '*Body', but the font does not change to what I have for
Body.  Then I have to go through one paragraph at a time and assign
Default Font. So what's the point of Global Update?



Help?

Thanks,



Carl Yorke
Documentation Manager
ActiveVideo Networks, Inc.
333 W. San Carlos Street, Suite 400
San Jose, CA 95110   
408.931.9085
www.avnetworks.com







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RE: PDF bookmarks [P]

[Pinkham, Jim]

Cynthia, at the risk of stating the obvious, are your bookmarks expanded
to level All? I've had to double-check each and every time I'm printing
a manual in FM 9 for the first time after opening from a previous
version.
 
HTH,
Jim



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Milton,
Cynthia
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:34 AM
To: Baruch Brodersen
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF bookmarks [P]



Classification: Serco Public

Done that. Same for both sets of printing (single file and humungous
one). Doing my head in.
 
Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991
Technical Documentation
 



From: Baruch Brodersen [mailto:bar...@technitext.com] 
Sent: 26 April 2011 15:30
To: Milton, Cynthia
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF bookmarks [P]


Hi Cynthia,

More beer, definitely. 

Make sure the GroupTitlesIOM format is specified in the book file PDF
Setup and not just in the Index file. (In the book file, select all
files including the book file, then Format  Document PDF Setup 
Bookmarks tab.)

Best.

Baruch Brodersen



On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Milton, Cynthia
cynthia.mil...@serco.com wrote:


Classification: Serco Public

Hi Gurus

FM9, XP SP3.

I have a humungous book ( 1600 pages) with a subject index. I
print to
the Adobe PDF printer.

When I print just the index, with bookmarks specified
(GroupTitlesIOM),
the resulting PDF shows the alphabetic bookmarks in the expected
way.

However, when I print the whole file to PDF with bookmarks
specified in
exactly the same way (and with the individual chapter titles
specified
as well), the result is absolutely no bookmarks at all.

Am I having a combined blonde/senior moment? Is it something to
do with
file size? Do I need more beer?

Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991
Technical Documentation




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PDF bookmarks [P]

[Pinkham, Jim]

Cynthia, at the risk of stating the obvious, are your bookmarks expanded
to level All? I've had to double-check each and every time I'm printing
a manual in FM 9 for the first time after opening from a previous
version.

HTH,
Jim



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Cynthia
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:34 AM
To: Baruch Brodersen
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF bookmarks [P]



Classification: Serco Public

Done that. Same for both sets of printing (single file and humungous
one). Doing my head in.

Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991
Technical Documentation




From: Baruch Brodersen [mailto:bar...@technitext.com] 
Sent: 26 April 2011 15:30
To: Milton, Cynthia
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF bookmarks [P]


Hi Cynthia,

More beer, definitely. 

Make sure the GroupTitlesIOM format is specified in the book file PDF
Setup and not just in the Index file. (In the book file, select all
files including the book file, then Format > Document PDF Setup >
Bookmarks tab.)

Best.

Baruch Brodersen



On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Milton, Cynthia
 wrote:


Classification: Serco Public

Hi Gurus

FM9, XP SP3.

I have a humungous book (> 1600 pages) with a subject index. I
print to
the Adobe PDF printer.

When I print just the index, with bookmarks specified
(GroupTitlesIOM),
the resulting PDF shows the alphabetic bookmarks in the expected
way.

However, when I print the whole file to PDF with bookmarks
specified in
exactly the same way (and with the individual chapter titles
specified
as well), the result is absolutely no bookmarks at all.

Am I having a combined blonde/senior moment? Is it something to
do with
file size? Do I need more beer?

Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991
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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

[Pinkham, Jim]

Again, Marguerite, this is why I recommend the technique outlined in Lyn
Eggleston's article:
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.htm. I
have Word 2003 and Corel Draw at the office, and this approach yields
good results, preserving the resolution of the source files that were
placed in the Word docs.
 
Jim



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Marguerite
Krupp
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:03 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Fred Ridder
Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs


Thanks for the good advice, Fred!
 
I'm with you on all but the last point. Unfortunately, this is one of
those legacy docs that has a long and checkered history. It was
originally done in PageMaker 6.5, and it was only through a series of
gyrations and extractions that I got a Word doc at all. No source art
files, nobody left to tell the tale!
 
I tried changing the extension, but I have only Word 2003 at work, and
WinZip wouldn't buy it. Will have to try it at home with a more recent
version, but I do see your point. Will try more maneuvers tomorrow.
 
This list is such a great resource! You've saved me enormous amounts of
work so many times!
 
Thanks again,
Marguerite
 

--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:



From: Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs
To: mkrupp...@yahoo.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 6:03 PM


Marguerite Krupp wrote:

Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip
require 
that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as
separate 
files when unpacked?

First, note that it is *not* necessary to change the filename
extension. All that is necessary is to open it with a tool like WinZip
that looks past the extension to see what's inside the file itself. 
 
Second, the word/media folder you will find inside the Word file
will contain a graphic object for every graphic in the document whether
it was pasted, inserted by reference, or embedded as an editable object.
Graphics that are in a vector format (WMF, Visio objects, etc.) are in
the word/media folder as .emf or .wmf objects, and raster graphics seem
to be in .png format. I was just working on a document that had a
mixture of pasted vector figures, pasted raster images, and embedded
Visio drawing objects, and all of them were present in the word/media
folder.
 
Third, if the graphics were imported by reference you'd already
have spearate external files for each one, so there seems to be little
point in extracting another copy from the Word document.
 
-Fred Ridder  


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Again, Marguerite, this is why I recommend the technique outlined in Lyn
Eggleston's article:
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.htm. I
have Word 2003 and Corel Draw at the office, and this approach yields
good results, preserving the resolution of the source files that were
placed in the Word docs.

Jim



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Marguerite
Krupp
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:03 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Fred Ridder
Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs


Thanks for the good advice, Fred!

I'm with you on all but the last point. Unfortunately, this is one of
those legacy docs that has a long and checkered history. It was
originally done in PageMaker 6.5, and it was only through a series of
gyrations and extractions that I got a Word doc at all. No source art
files, nobody left to tell the tale!

I tried changing the extension, but I have only Word 2003 at work, and
WinZip wouldn't buy it. Will have to try it at home with a more recent
version, but I do see your point. Will try more maneuvers tomorrow.

This list is such a great resource! You've saved me enormous amounts of
work so many times!

Thanks again,
Marguerite


--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Fred Ridder  wrote:



From: Fred Ridder 
Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs
To: mkrupp128 at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 6:03 PM


Marguerite Krupp wrote:

>Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip
require 
>that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as
separate 
>files when unpacked?

First, note that it is *not* necessary to change the filename
extension. All that is necessary is to open it with a tool like WinZip
that looks past the extension to see what's inside the file itself. 

Second, the word/media folder you will find inside the Word file
will contain a graphic object for every graphic in the document whether
it was pasted, inserted by reference, or embedded as an editable object.
Graphics that are in a vector format (WMF, Visio objects, etc.) are in
the word/media folder as .emf or .wmf objects, and raster graphics seem
to be in .png format. I was just working on a document that had a
mixture of pasted vector figures, pasted raster images, and embedded
Visio drawing objects, and all of them were present in the word/media
folder.

Third, if the graphics were imported by reference you'd already
have spearate external files for each one, so there seems to be little
point in extracting another copy from the Word document.

-Fred Ridder  


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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've found Lyn Eggleston's advice helpful also, particularly with our
Word 2003 docs: Extracting Images Embedded in Word Documents
http://http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.ht
m  or (
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.htm).



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To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Extracting art from Word docs



Esteemed colleagues,

 

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word
(docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a
separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique?
We are converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
templates and would very much like to have this technique in hand.
Thanks in advance.

 

 

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Esteemed colleagues,



A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word
(docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a
separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique?
We are converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
templates and would very much like to have this technique in hand.
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RE: Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting documentation

[Pinkham, Jim]

This reference is getting a bit long in the tooth, but covers some of
what you're after:

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Guide-Machinery-Directive/dp/0852989733
http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Guide-Machinery-Directive/dp/0852989733
 .

You might also poke around the results of this search
http://goo.gl/zqb4K  a bit.

HTH,

Jim

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Subject: Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting
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I'm trying to find formatting and organization guidelines, standards, or
even templates for manuals that document CE-compliant products sold in
the EU. Does anyone know where I can find these guidelines or standards,
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This reference is getting a bit long in the tooth, but covers some of
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http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Guide-Machinery-Directive/dp/0852989733
 .

You might also poke around the results of this search
  a bit.

HTH,

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RE: trouble installing TCS3 with CS5 DP

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've had good outcomes with Revo Uninstaller, with the full-scale deep
clean. There's a pro version, but the freeware is meaty, too, and has
sufficed for me:
http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html. I've
used it successfully with both XP and Win 7.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:01 PM
To: 'John Sgammato'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: trouble installing TCS3 with CS5 DP

Which OS?

Under XP if the Uninstaller and Win Add/Remove Programs control panel
didn't work I used the Window Install Cleanup Utility (or something with
a name suspiciously close to that..) to remove old installs and/or
versions (including patches). That always did the trick.

However under Win7, that app is no longer supported.

-Matt
Matt Sullivan
Director of Training | roundpeg, Inc. 
P: 714.960.6840 | F: 360.230.7269 | m...@roundpeg.com 4590 MacArthur
Blvd., Suite 620 | Newport Beach, CA 92660 


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Subject: trouble installing TCS3 with CS5 DP

I have had Adobse CS5 Design Premium for some time, and am now adding
TCS3.
FrameMaker 10 is an upgrade from FM9, RoboHelp and Captivate are all-new
to this system, and I don't know what the relationship is with TCS3's
Acrobat X and CS5's Acrobat 9, or with TCS3's Photoshop and CS5's
Photoshop.
It's not working. FM10 and RH9 always fail to install, but everything
else seems to install OK. 
I get some failure messages relating to AdobeHelp and other things that
seem to be under the covers, and a number that refer to things that
pre-exist without upgrade paths to the new versions, but no obvious
conflicts with the main products - nonetheless it is those that fail to
install.
Adobe Support has escalated this, but is still flailing about wildly
three days later. 
Has anyone else had similar experiences with CS5 and TCS3? 
 
John Sgammato
Principal Technical Writer
Imprivata, Inc
Lexington, MA 02421
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trouble installing TCS3 with CS5 DP

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've had good outcomes with Revo Uninstaller, with the full-scale deep
clean. There's a pro version, but the freeware is meaty, too, and has
sufficed for me:
http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html. I've
used it successfully with both XP and Win 7.

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Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:01 PM
To: 'John Sgammato'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: trouble installing TCS3 with CS5 DP

Which OS?

Under XP if the Uninstaller and Win Add/Remove Programs control panel
didn't work I used the Window Install Cleanup Utility (or something with
a name suspiciously close to that..) to remove old installs and/or
versions (including patches). That always did the trick.

However under Win7, that app is no longer supported.

-Matt
Matt Sullivan
Director of Training | roundpeg, Inc. 
P: 714.960.6840 | F: 360.230.7269 | matt at roundpeg.com 4590 MacArthur
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Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:03 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: trouble installing TCS3 with CS5 DP

I have had Adobse CS5 Design Premium for some time, and am now adding
TCS3.
FrameMaker 10 is an upgrade from FM9, RoboHelp and Captivate are all-new
to this system, and I don't know what the relationship is with TCS3's
Acrobat X and CS5's Acrobat 9, or with TCS3's Photoshop and CS5's
Photoshop.
It's not working. FM10 and RH9 always fail to install, but everything
else seems to install OK. 
I get some failure messages relating to AdobeHelp and other things that
seem to be under the covers, and a number that refer to things that
pre-exist without upgrade paths to the new versions, but no obvious
conflicts with the main products - nonetheless it is those that fail to
install.
Adobe Support has escalated this, but is still flailing about wildly
three days later. 
Has anyone else had similar experiences with CS5 and TCS3? 

John Sgammato
Principal Technical Writer
Imprivata, Inc
Lexington, MA 02421
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RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4

[Pinkham, Jim]

Not ready to go there, friends. Yes, the gray is drear, indeed -- total
agreement on that point!!  And, no, Adobe's first incarnation of
customizable UIs for Frame that can be adjusted (and restored) on the
fly isn't perfect. But I can do things with it I never could before,
and, all in all, I think it's making my work in Frame faster and more
comfortable. Same can be said for Illustrator CS5, too, BTW. RJ Jacquez
has a pretty good video on this on the Adobe web site. (I think there's
a link to it in the archives). It changed my perspective from being
skeptical about the new UI to beginning to imagine the possibilities.

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Subject: Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4

PREACH IT sister!

Not only is the Stalin gray interface fugly and depressing (and much
darker than Adobe's other fugly gray interfaces), the whole pod/docking
behavior is incredibly time-wasting. Everything seems to want to glue
itself into everything else! Maybe it's a sign of having become a
dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much
faster to work with.

Tori Muir
tm...@spot-on-creative.com * 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com 



Davis, Jessica D. wrote:
 On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing.
 Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they 
 call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the 
 pods.  Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions.  After 
 you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but 
 it's not.  Some other variable further down the list may actually be 
 deleted.  And if you delete too many, Frame crashes.  (BTW-the 
 work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the 
 document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several

 writers working on the project who complained about this problem. 
 Also, I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog.  Then 
 to reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod.  I just 
 find the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much 
 screen real estate.


 -

 rant

 Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who 
 was recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, 
 monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It 
 GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

 There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in 
 programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception 
 of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by 
 colours and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design 
 program.  The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the 
 GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly
counterproductive.

 Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that 
 Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember

 that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car 
 painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been 
 discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

 I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic 
 designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had 
 overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and 
 politely show them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts 
 and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that

 the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

 The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

 /rant

 Thanks,
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framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4

[Pinkham, Jim]

Not ready to go there, friends. Yes, the gray is drear, indeed -- total
agreement on that point!!  And, no, Adobe's first incarnation of
customizable UIs for Frame that can be adjusted (and restored) on the
fly isn't perfect. But I can do things with it I never could before,
and, all in all, I think it's making my work in Frame faster and more
comfortable. Same can be said for Illustrator CS5, too, BTW. RJ Jacquez
has a pretty good video on this on the Adobe web site. (I think there's
a link to it in the archives). It changed my perspective from being
skeptical about the new UI to beginning to imagine the possibilities.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 4:50 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4

PREACH IT sister!

Not only is the "Stalin gray" interface fugly and depressing (and much
darker than Adobe's other fugly gray interfaces), the whole pod/docking
behavior is incredibly time-wasting. Everything seems to want to glue
itself into everything else! Maybe it's a sign of having become a
dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much
faster to work with.

Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com * 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com 



Davis, Jessica D. wrote:
> On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing.
> Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they 
> call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the 
> pods.  Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions.  After 
> you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but 
> it's not.  Some other variable further down the list may actually be 
> deleted.  And if you delete too many, Frame crashes.  (BTW-the 
> work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the 
> document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several

> writers working on the project who complained about this problem. 
> Also, I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog.  Then 
> to reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod.  I just 
> find the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much 
> screen real estate.
>
>
> -
>
> 
>
> Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who 
> was recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast, 
> monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It 
> GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.
>
> There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in 
> programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception 
> of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by 
> colours and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design 
> program.  The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the 
> GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly
counterproductive.
>
> Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that 
> Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember

> that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car 
> painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been 
> discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.
>
> I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic 
> designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had 
> overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and 
> politely show them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts 
> and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that

> the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.
>
> The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.
>
> 
>
> Thanks,
> Jess
>
>
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RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

[Pinkham, Jim]

I fear I have some artsy/marketsy leanings myself, but I quite agree
that FM -- and Illustrator, for that matter -- would be better off
without the gray. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:04 PM
To: Stuart Rogers; framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com
Subject: RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

Totally, TOTALLY agreed!

I live with it, but detest it. :(

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI

rant

Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast,
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that
Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic
designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.

/rant

Thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

[Pinkham, Jim]

I fear I have some "artsy/marketsy" leanings myself, but I quite agree
that FM -- and Illustrator, for that matter -- would be better off
without the gray. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:04 PM
To: Stuart Rogers; framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com
Subject: RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

Totally, TOTALLY agreed!

I live with it, but detest it. :(

Z

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com
Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]

On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote:

  the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI



Bang on, Mike.  I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was
recently introduced as FM's product manager.  The low-contrast,
monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE.  It GETS
IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS.

There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in
programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of
colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours
and contrasts in the GUI.  But FM is NOT a graphics design program.  The
precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what
it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive.

Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that
Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember
that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car
painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been
discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time.

I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic
designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming
influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show
them the door.  Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY
experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the
artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted.

The world (of technical writing) would be a better place.



Thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hello again, learned and wise ones
 
Where can I change the FM 9 settings so that my bookmarks are expanded
by default, all the time, rather than each time I work on a new book?
 
Thanks,
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RE: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

[Pinkham, Jim]

That's what I'm talking about, Jeff, but the command is under
Format-Documents-PDF Setup in FM 9. I'm just wondering where the default
for that Frame dialogue can be changed.

TIA,
Jim 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

Are you talking about the bookmarks in a PDF created from FM? That's
your Acrobat joboptions file, from what I can recall.

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Subject: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

Hello again, learned and wise ones
 
Where can I change the FM 9 settings so that my bookmarks are expanded
by default, all the time, rather than each time I work on a new book?
 
Thanks,
Jim
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RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?

[Pinkham, Jim]

FWIW, in FM 9, at least, the Documents directory consists of:

C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\Character_Sets.pdf
C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\frm_903_conditional_text.pdf
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\Getting_Started_Guide.pdf
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\MIF_Reference.pdf
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\UserGuide.pdf

For FM 7, at least, the document is available here:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf.
 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:30 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; hele...@iinet.net.au
Subject: RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?


And if it really bothers you to have to press three keys to do either of
the repeat operations that Stuart mentions, you can customize your UI
to map those commands to shorter keystroke sequences. You do this either
by modifying the existing FrameMaker cmds.cfg file or creating a
customui.cfg file that contains just your customizations (much easier to
maintain). Any given command can have multiple key sequences to invoke
it, so the best bet is to define an alternative sequence (which can be a
single key in the case of the F keys) rather than change the standard
defined key sequence. 
 
All of this is described in a file called
Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, which you should find in the Documents
directory of the FrameMaker installation. Just search for the phrase
adding shortcuts for a command to find the specifics and then read the
preceding few pages to learn the basic concepts of how to modify the
configuration files.
 
-Fred Ridder
 
 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -0500
 From: srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Shortcut for Repeat last?
 
 On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:
  Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to 
  Ctrl-Y in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging instruction?
 
  For example, I'm working on merging at lot of documents from various

  sources that I import into a templated document with all paras in 
  Body format. I'd like to be able to go through and tag all the Head
  1 first, then all the Head 2...and so on.
 
  Thanks, Helen
 
 
 
 Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
 Repeat last char tag: Esc c c
 
 best
 
 Stuart Rogers
  
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RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?

[Pinkham, Jim]

The latest cmds.cfg refers to an online manual titled Changing Setup
Files, but it's not readily apparent where, or if, it still lurks in
the adobe.com ether. 

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; hele...@iinet.net.au
Subject: RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?


And if it really bothers you to have to press three keys to do either of
the repeat operations that Stuart mentions, you can customize your UI
to map those commands to shorter keystroke sequences. You do this either
by modifying the existing FrameMaker cmds.cfg file or creating a
customui.cfg file that contains just your customizations (much easier to
maintain). Any given command can have multiple key sequences to invoke
it, so the best bet is to define an alternative sequence (which can be a
single key in the case of the F keys) rather than change the standard
defined key sequence. 
 
All of this is described in a file called
Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, which you should find in the Documents
directory of the FrameMaker installation. Just search for the phrase
adding shortcuts for a command to find the specifics and then read the
preceding few pages to learn the basic concepts of how to modify the
configuration files.
 
-Fred Ridder
 
 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -0500
 From: srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Shortcut for Repeat last?
 
 On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:
  Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to 
  Ctrl-Y in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging instruction?
 
  For example, I'm working on merging at lot of documents from various

  sources that I import into a templated document with all paras in 
  Body format. I'd like to be able to go through and tag all the Head
  1 first, then all the Head 2...and so on.
 
  Thanks, Helen
 
 
 
 Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
 Repeat last char tag: Esc c c
 
 best
 
 Stuart Rogers
  
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RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?

[Pinkham, Jim]

Well, there is still this collection of files, so it looks like the
business continues:
 
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\fminit\configui\cmds.cfg
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\fminit\configui\mathcmds.cfg
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\fminit\configui\sample.cfg
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\fminit\configui\wincmds.cfg
 
Jim



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:15 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com; hele...@iinet.net.au
Subject: RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?


As a further FWIW, the customization document that was distributed with
FrameMaker 8.0 was *exactly* the same as the one provided with FM 7.0.
Even the cover page calls out FrameMaker 7.0.
 
But maybe FM 9 did away with the command configuration files altogether?
It seems like that would have been a lot of work for little positive
gain, and it would have blown backwards compatibility out of the water
(not that this has never happened...).
 
-FR
 
 Subject: RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?
 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:05:02 -0600
 From: jim.pink...@voith.com
 To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com;
hele...@iinet.net.au
 
 FWIW, in FM 9, at least, the Documents directory consists of:
 
 C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\Character_Sets.pdf
 C:\Program
 Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\frm_903_conditional_text.pdf
 C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\Getting_Started_Guide.pdf
 C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\MIF_Reference.pdf
 C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\UserGuide.pdf
 
 For FM 7, at least, the document is available here:
 http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
 Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:30 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; hele...@iinet.net.au
 Subject: RE: Shortcut for Repeat last?
 
 
 And if it really bothers you to have to press three keys to do either
of
 the repeat operations that Stuart mentions, you can customize your
UI
 to map those commands to shorter keystroke sequences. You do this
either
 by modifying the existing FrameMaker cmds.cfg file or creating a
 customui.cfg file that contains just your customizations (much easier
to
 maintain). Any given command can have multiple key sequences to invoke
 it, so the best bet is to define an alternative sequence (which can be
a
 single key in the case of the F keys) rather than change the standard
 defined key sequence. 
 
 All of this is described in a file called
 Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, which you should find in the Documents
 directory of the FrameMaker installation. Just search for the phrase
 adding shortcuts for a command to find the specifics and then read
the
 preceding few pages to learn the basic concepts of how to modify the
 configuration files.
 
 -Fred Ridder
 
  Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -0500
  From: srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Shortcut for Repeat last?
  
  On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:
   Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to 
   Ctrl-Y in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging
instruction?
  
   For example, I'm working on merging at lot of documents from
various
 
   sources that I import into a templated document with all paras in 
   Body format. I'd like to be able to go through and tag all the
Head
   1 first, then all the Head 2...and so on.
  
   Thanks, Helen
  
  
  
  Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
  Repeat last char tag: Esc c c
  
  best
  
  Stuart Rogers
 
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RE: Bookmarks

[Pinkham, Jim]

Steve, it does. Our beef is with having to set those bookmark properties afresh 
for every new book. Before, I had the Expanded Through Level - All as the 
default. For years, I'd never had to think about it again. 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:15 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Bookmarks

I always print multiple chapters into one PDF from the book file. I always save 
all files before I close, leaving the book file for last. The next time I print 
the same document, I end up setting all of the bookmark properties again.

Clint


Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace  Electronics | +1 425 743 
8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

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From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:10 PM
To: Owen, Clint
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Bookmarks

Clint, that should not happen. Are you setting this at the book level and then 
saving the book after printing?

Others, the Bookmarks Expanded Through Level list on the right side of the 
Bookmarks tab page should control how bookmarks expand by default in Reader.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Owen, Clint clint.o...@craneaerospace.com 
wrote:
 I have also noticed that the selections for which paragraphs generate 
 bookmarks don't stick. It's pretty annoying to have to reset them 
 every time I generate a PDF from the same document.

 Clint


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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, 
 Jim
 Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 1:00 PM
 To: Jeff Coatsworth; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

 That's what I'm talking about, Jeff, but the command is under 
 Format-Documents-PDF Setup in FM 9. I'm just wondering where the 
 default for that Frame dialogue can be changed.

 TIA,
 Jim

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 Subject: RE: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

 Are you talking about the bookmarks in a PDF created from FM? That's 
 your Acrobat joboptions file, from what I can recall.

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 Subject: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

 Hello again, learned and wise ones

 Where can I change the FM 9 settings so that my bookmarks are expanded 
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Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hello again, learned and wise ones

Where can I change the FM 9 settings so that my bookmarks are expanded
by default, all the time, rather than each time I work on a new book?

Thanks,
Jim

Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

[Pinkham, Jim]

That's what I'm talking about, Jeff, but the command is under
Format-Documents-PDF Setup in FM 9. I'm just wondering where the default
for that Frame dialogue can be changed.

TIA,
Jim 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
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Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:37 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

Are you talking about the bookmarks in a PDF created from FM? That's
your Acrobat joboptions file, from what I can recall.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always

Hello again, learned and wise ones

Where can I change the FM 9 settings so that my bookmarks are expanded
by default, all the time, rather than each time I work on a new book?

Thanks,
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Shortcut for "Repeat last"?

[Pinkham, Jim]

FWIW, in FM 9, at least, the Documents directory consists of:

C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\Character_Sets.pdf
C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\frm_903_conditional_text.pdf
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\Getting_Started_Guide.pdf
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\MIF_Reference.pdf
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\UserGuide.pdf

For FM 7, at least, the document is available here:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf.


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:30 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; helebor at iinet.net.au
Subject: RE: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?


And if it really bothers you to have to press three keys to do either of
the "repeat" operations that Stuart mentions, you can customize your UI
to map those commands to shorter keystroke sequences. You do this either
by modifying the existing FrameMaker cmds.cfg file or creating a
customui.cfg file that contains just your customizations (much easier to
maintain). Any given command can have multiple key sequences to invoke
it, so the best bet is to define an alternative sequence (which can be a
single key in the case of the F keys) rather than change the standard
defined key sequence. 

All of this is described in a file called
Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, which you should find in the Documents
directory of the FrameMaker installation. Just search for the phrase
"adding shortcuts for a command" to find the specifics and then read the
preceding few pages to learn the basic concepts of how to modify the
configuration files.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -0500
> From: srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?
> 
> On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:
> > Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to 
> > Ctrl-Y in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging instruction?
> >
> > For example, I'm working on merging at lot of documents from various

> > sources that I import into a templated document with all paras in 
> > Body format. I'd like to be able to go through and tag all the Head
> > 1 first, then all the Head 2...and so on.
> >
> > Thanks, Helen
> >
> 
> 
> Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
> Repeat last char tag: Esc c c
> 
> best
> 
> Stuart Rogers

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Shortcut for "Repeat last"?

[Pinkham, Jim]

The latest cmds.cfg refers to an online manual titled "Changing Setup
Files," but it's not readily apparent where, or if, it still lurks in
the adobe.com ether. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:30 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; helebor at iinet.net.au
Subject: RE: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?


And if it really bothers you to have to press three keys to do either of
the "repeat" operations that Stuart mentions, you can customize your UI
to map those commands to shorter keystroke sequences. You do this either
by modifying the existing FrameMaker cmds.cfg file or creating a
customui.cfg file that contains just your customizations (much easier to
maintain). Any given command can have multiple key sequences to invoke
it, so the best bet is to define an alternative sequence (which can be a
single key in the case of the F keys) rather than change the standard
defined key sequence. 

All of this is described in a file called
Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, which you should find in the Documents
directory of the FrameMaker installation. Just search for the phrase
"adding shortcuts for a command" to find the specifics and then read the
preceding few pages to learn the basic concepts of how to modify the
configuration files.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -0500
> From: srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?
> 
> On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:
> > Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to 
> > Ctrl-Y in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging instruction?
> >
> > For example, I'm working on merging at lot of documents from various

> > sources that I import into a templated document with all paras in 
> > Body format. I'd like to be able to go through and tag all the Head
> > 1 first, then all the Head 2...and so on.
> >
> > Thanks, Helen
> >
> 
> 
> Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
> Repeat last char tag: Esc c c
> 
> best
> 
> Stuart Rogers

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Shortcut for "Repeat last"?

[Pinkham, Jim]

Well, there is still this collection of files, so it looks like the
business continues:

C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\fminit\configui\cmds.cfg
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\fminit\configui\mathcmds.cfg
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\fminit\configui\sample.cfg
C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\fminit\configui\wincmds.cfg

Jim



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:15 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com; helebor at iinet.net.au
Subject: RE: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?


As a further FWIW, the customization document that was distributed with
FrameMaker 8.0 was *exactly* the same as the one provided with FM 7.0.
Even the cover page calls out "FrameMaker 7.0".

But maybe FM 9 did away with the command configuration files altogether?
It seems like that would have been a lot of work for little positive
gain, and it would have blown backwards compatibility out of the water
(not that this has never happened...).

-FR

> Subject: RE: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:05:02 -0600
> From: Jim.Pinkham at voith.com
> To: docudoc at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com;
helebor at iinet.net.au
> 
> FWIW, in FM 9, at least, the Documents directory consists of:
> 
> C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\Character_Sets.pdf
> C:\Program
> Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\frm_903_conditional_text.pdf
> C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\Getting_Started_Guide.pdf
> C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\MIF_Reference.pdf
> C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker9\Documents\UserGuide.pdf
> 
> For FM 7, at least, the document is available here:
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:30 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; helebor at iinet.net.au
> Subject: RE: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?
> 
> 
> And if it really bothers you to have to press three keys to do either
of
> the "repeat" operations that Stuart mentions, you can customize your
UI
> to map those commands to shorter keystroke sequences. You do this
either
> by modifying the existing FrameMaker cmds.cfg file or creating a
> customui.cfg file that contains just your customizations (much easier
to
> maintain). Any given command can have multiple key sequences to invoke
> it, so the best bet is to define an alternative sequence (which can be
a
> single key in the case of the F keys) rather than change the standard
> defined key sequence. 
> 
> All of this is described in a file called
> Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, which you should find in the Documents
> directory of the FrameMaker installation. Just search for the phrase
> "adding shortcuts for a command" to find the specifics and then read
the
> preceding few pages to learn the basic concepts of how to modify the
> configuration files.
> 
> -Fred Ridder
> 
> > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:39:16 -0500
> > From: srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Shortcut for "Repeat last"?
> > 
> > On 02/02/2011 4:05 AM, Helen Borrie wrote:
> > > Using FM 8 unstructured - is there any shortcut (equivalent to 
> > > Ctrl-Y in Word) whereby one can repeat the last tagging
instruction?
> > >
> > > For example, I'm working on merging at lot of documents from
various
> 
> > > sources that I import into a templated document with all paras in 
> > > Body format. I'd like to be able to go through and tag all the
Head
> > > 1 first, then all the Head 2...and so on.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Helen
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Repeat last pgf tag: Esc j j
> > Repeat last char tag: Esc c c
> > 
> > best
> > 
> > Stuart Rogers
> 
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Bookmarks

[Pinkham, Jim]

Steve, it does. Our beef is with having to set those bookmark properties afresh 
for every new book. Before, I had the Expanded Through Level - All as the 
default. For years, I'd never had to think about it again. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:15 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Bookmarks

I always print multiple chapters into one PDF from the book file. I always save 
all files before I close, leaving the book file for last. The next time I print 
the same document, I end up setting all of the bookmark properties again.

Clint


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8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

-Original Message-
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:chinask...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:10 PM
To: Owen, Clint
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Bookmarks

Clint, that should not happen. Are you setting this at the book level and then 
saving the book after printing?

Others, the Bookmarks Expanded Through Level list on the right side of the 
Bookmarks tab page should control how bookmarks expand by default in Reader.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Owen, Clint  
wrote:
> I have also noticed that the selections for which paragraphs generate 
> bookmarks don't stick. It's pretty annoying to have to reset them 
> every time I generate a PDF from the same document.
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1
> 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, 
> Jim
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 1:00 PM
> To: Jeff Coatsworth; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always
>
> That's what I'm talking about, Jeff, but the command is under 
> Format-Documents-PDF Setup in FM 9. I'm just wondering where the 
> default for that Frame dialogue can be changed.
>
> TIA,
> Jim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff 
> Coatsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always
>
> Are you talking about the bookmarks in a PDF created from FM? That's 
> your Acrobat joboptions file, from what I can recall.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, 
> Jim
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 3:07 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Bookmarks Expanded Through Level - All - Always
>
> Hello again, learned and wise ones
>
> Where can I change the FM 9 settings so that my bookmarks are expanded 
> by default, all the time, rather than each time I work on a new book?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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Missing Fonts and FM 9 Remembrance

[Pinkham, Jim]

Problem: Every time I open a file with old font issues in FM 9, Frame
dutifully offers to reformat with available fonts. I'd like, as a
general rule, for Frame to just do it and stop  asking me a few dozen
times a day.
 
With FM 7, IIRC, you could turn off the Remember Missing Font Names
under Preferences and get the desired result.
 
With FM 9, I don't see that option under File-Preferences. Is there a
way to solve my problem with FM 9? If so, please advise.
 
Thanks,
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RE: Missing Fonts and FM 9 Remembrance

[Pinkham, Jim]

Thanks, Stuart and all, for the speedy reply! :) 

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:56 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Pinkham, Jim
Subject: Re: Missing Fonts and FM 9 Remembrance

On 18/01/2011 2:47 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote:
...

 With FM 7, IIRC, you could turn off the Remember Missing Font Names 
 under Preferences and get the desired result.

 With FM 9, I don't see that option under File-Preferences. Is there a 
 way to solve my problem with FM 9? If so, please advise.



It's at the bottom of File  Preferences, General.

Best,

--
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
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Missing Fonts and FM 9 Remembrance

[Pinkham, Jim]

Problem: Every time I open a file with "old" font issues in FM 9, Frame
dutifully offers to reformat with available fonts. I'd like, as a
general rule, for Frame to "just do it" and stop  asking me a few dozen
times a day.

With FM 7, IIRC, you could turn off the Remember Missing Font Names
under Preferences and get the desired result.

With FM 9, I don't see that option under File-Preferences. Is there a
way to solve my problem with FM 9? If so, please advise.

Thanks,
Jim

Missing Fonts and FM 9 Remembrance

[Pinkham, Jim]

Thanks, Stuart and all, for the speedy reply! :) 

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:56 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Pinkham, Jim
Subject: Re: Missing Fonts and FM 9 Remembrance

On 18/01/2011 2:47 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote:
...
>
> With FM 7, IIRC, you could turn off the Remember Missing Font Names 
> under Preferences and get the desired result.
>
> With FM 9, I don't see that option under File-Preferences. Is there a 
> way to solve my problem with FM 9? If so, please advise.
>


It's at the bottom of File > Preferences, General.

Best,

--
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

[Pinkham, Jim]

Ed, I ran into something similar to this with my migration from FM 7 to
FM 9 in docs I've been working on this week. All of my bulleted lists
were messed up because of FM 9's translation of certain characters
into different characters and the ensuing loss of the appropriate font
to be applied to the symbols (Wingdings, in my case).

I consulted the following two resources:

http://iconlogic.blogs.com/weblog/2010/08/adobe-framemaker-9-but-i-dont-
want-a-plain-round-bullet.html
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2472/guides/frame9/frame_tags.html

These should get you on the path. 

Long story short: I defined a font-specific character format for each of
my bullet symbols and applied it to each of the five different bullet
styles that needed it. I did this in a clean doc created from a virgin,
minimalist template and further stripped everything out of the new doc
that I possibly could that wasn't related to the formats I desired. Then
I stored this in my templates folder and imported this stripped-down,
format-specific template into my book.

I have two variables, one that uses the LTE symbol and another that use
a hollow arrow symbol. I took a similar approach with that.

That's as much detail as I can give you on this hectic day, but it
worked well.

Good luck!
Jim

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Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Hi Framers,

I am haing a problem with the character set in FrameMaker 9 (TCS2).

The character set document lists the same keystrokes as in previous FM
sets for Greater Than or Equal To (GTE).
The GTE character is created in standard font, and is then changed to
Symbol font.

[Ctrl][q] [3]  =  GTE  (this produces a small box) or
[Alt][0179]=  GTE  (this works)

[Ctrl][q] [#]  =  LTE  (this works)
or
[Alt][0163]=  LTE  (this works)


Problem:
  [Ctrl][q] [3]  ==  S with caron, but not GTE in Symbol font
  [Alt][0179]==  superscript 3, and also GTE  in Symbol font

In my past experience, the S with a caron accent was changed to GTE in
Symbol font.
Now, however, this produces a small box in Symbol font when created by
using [Ctrl][q] [3].
While the ASCII character work-around is available, I am concerned with
opening FM7.2 documents in FM9.  Will previously created GTE characters
be lost?
This is important because we are just beginning to use FM9, and all of
our previous FrameMaker documents were created with FM7.2.

I have opened a book of files (created with FM7) in FM9, updated the
entire book and saved all files.  Then I checked the GTE characters, and
they looked fine.  Trying to add additional GTE symbols resulted in the
same problem when using [Ctrl][q] [3].
This seems to indicated that the GTE symbols are safe, but I am
suspicous of this new behavior and seek assurances.

My system:
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
Version 9.0p230

Windows XP Professional
Version 2002, Service Pack 2

Dell
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz
3.25 GB RAM

Is anyone else experiencing this same behavior with FM9 ?

We are a small group of tech writers, and we are all experiencing the
same behavior of FM9.

Thanks for your help and opinions.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

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FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

[Pinkham, Jim]

Ed, I ran into something similar to this with my migration from FM 7 to
FM 9 in docs I've been working on this week. All of my bulleted lists
were messed up because of FM 9's "translation" of certain characters
into different characters and the ensuing "loss" of the appropriate font
to be applied to the symbols (Wingdings, in my case).

I consulted the following two resources:

http://iconlogic.blogs.com/weblog/2010/08/adobe-framemaker-9-but-i-dont-
want-a-plain-round-bullet.html
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2472/guides/frame9/frame_tags.html

These should get you on the path. 

Long story short: I defined a font-specific character format for each of
my bullet symbols and applied it to each of the five different bullet
styles that needed it. I did this in a clean doc created from a virgin,
minimalist template and further stripped everything out of the new doc
that I possibly could that wasn't related to the formats I desired. Then
I stored this in my templates folder and imported this stripped-down,
format-specific template into my book.

I have two variables, one that uses the LTE symbol and another that use
a hollow arrow symbol. I took a similar approach with that.

That's as much detail as I can give you on this hectic day, but it
worked well.

Good luck!
Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of DeRosier,
Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:02 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Hi Framers,

I am haing a problem with the character set in FrameMaker 9 (TCS2).

The character set document lists the same keystrokes as in previous FM
sets for Greater Than or Equal To (GTE).
The GTE character is created in standard font, and is then changed to
"Symbol" font.

[Ctrl][q] [3]  =>  GTE  (this produces a small box) or
[Alt][0179]=>  GTE  (this works)

[Ctrl][q] [#]  =>  LTE  (this works)
or
[Alt][0163]=>  LTE  (this works)


Problem:
  [Ctrl][q] [3]  ==>  S with caron, but not GTE in Symbol font
  [Alt][0179]==>  superscript 3, and also GTE  in Symbol font

In my past experience, the S with a caron accent was changed to GTE in
Symbol font.
Now, however, this produces a small box in Symbol font when created by
using [Ctrl][q] [3].
While the ASCII character work-around is available, I am concerned with
opening FM7.2 documents in FM9.  Will previously created GTE characters
be lost?
This is important because we are just beginning to use FM9, and all of
our previous FrameMaker documents were created with FM7.2.

I have opened a book of files (created with FM7) in FM9, updated the
entire book and saved all files.  Then I checked the GTE characters, and
they looked fine.  Trying to add additional GTE symbols resulted in the
same problem when using [Ctrl][q] [3].
This seems to indicated that the GTE symbols are "safe", but I am
suspicous of this new behavior and seek assurances.

My system:
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
Version 9.0p230

Windows XP Professional
Version 2002, Service Pack 2

Dell
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz
3.25 GB RAM

Is anyone else experiencing this same behavior with FM9 ?

We are a small group of tech writers, and we are all experiencing the
same behavior of FM9.

Thanks for your help and opinions.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

Edward.DeRosier at anritsu.com
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RE: FM10 released

[Pinkham, Jim]

We purchased FM 9 on Nov. 10 or 11. Anyone know if there's a window of
free upgrade, such as MS has on new versions of Office?

I know...I know. But one can **hope** :)

Jim 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim J. Slager
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:51 PM
To: John Sgammato; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM10 released

Oh great! Since it was right around the corner, I was waiting for FM 10
before upgrading from 7.2. Now I get to pay full price. Hope I can still
buy ver. 9.

tims

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:34 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: FM10 released

Framemaker 10, TCS 3 and RoboHelp 9 were just launched. 
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2011/01/framemaker10-and-framemaker-serv
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FM10 released

[Pinkham, Jim]

We purchased FM 9 on Nov. 10 or 11. Anyone know if there's a window of
free upgrade, such as MS has on new versions of Office?

I know...I know. But one can **hope** :)

Jim 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim J. Slager
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:51 PM
To: John Sgammato; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM10 released

Oh great! Since it was right around the corner, I was waiting for FM 10
before upgrading from 7.2. Now I get to pay full price. Hope I can still
buy ver. 9.

tims

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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:34 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: FM10 released

Framemaker 10, TCS 3 and RoboHelp 9 were just launched. 
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2011/01/framemaker10-and-framemaker-serv
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RE: Font Fiasco with FM 9 Book and Distiller

[Pinkham, Jim]

Y'all are awesome! My PDF is ready. Thanks, guys! :)

Not sure how I got away without the hotfix for this long, but it did the
trick.

Jim 

-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net] 
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 6:43 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Font Fiasco with FM 9 Book and Distiller

I think (but not sure) you are seeing that Font Cache XP Pro problem
that is resolved with a particular Microsoft hotfix. The specific hotfix
number has been posted to this news list before - maybe you can search
the archives for it.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:51 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Font Fiasco with FM 9 Book and Distiller

Hi, all,
 
I'm trying to get a book out on deadline, hitting a wall tonight, will
have to revisit first thing in a.m.
 
Set-up:
FM 9.0 p255
Win XP Pro Ver 2002 SP3
Core 2 Duo E6750, 2.66 GH, 3.25 GB of RAM (according to System
Properties)
Default font:Arial
 
Here's the sequence of trouble:
 

*   Went to print book; Distiller stopped on pg. 10-11, in the Front
Matter; said it couldn't find Helvetica; font could not be embedded, and
flushed out.
*   Washed all Files via MIF. Using Toolbox, I stripped out all
unused formats (we get a lot of Helvetica in some of our source docs
from Germany); tried again with same result.
*   Tried global update All Paragraph and Catalog Entries to
convert any stray instances of Helvetical to Arial; same result. Also
searched and replaced any stray Helvetica in callouts still in Frame
(usually keep callouts with the graphic in Illy).
*   Exported all files via MIF. Using ReplaceText, changed every
instance of Helvetica in the MIF to Arial. Distiller coughed again; said
this time it couldn't find Arial.

 
I know I have Arial, and I'm pretty sure I have Helvetica. I've been
using FM 9 for about a month with no prior offenses.
What to do?
 
TIA for any ideas. I'm appending the Distiller log below:
 
%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%
%%[Page: 1]%%
%%[Page: 2]%%
%%[Page: 3]%%
%%[Page: 4]%%
%%[Page: 5]%%
%%[Page: 6]%%
%%[Page: 7]%%
%%[Page: 8]%%
%%[Page: 9]%%
%%[Page: 10]%%
%%[ Error: Arial not found. Font cannot be embedded. ]%% %%[ Error:
invalidfont; OffendingCommand: findfont ]%%
 
Stack:
/Font
/Arial
/_Arial
[39 /quotesingle 96 /grave 128 /Adieresis /Aring /Ccedilla /Eacute
/Ntilde /Odieresis /Udieresis /aacute /agrave /acircumflex /adieresis
/atilde /aring /ccedilla /eacute /egrave /ecircumflex /edieresis /iacute
/igrave /icircumflex /idieresis /ntilde /oacute /ograve /ocircumflex
/odieresis /otilde /uacute /ugrave /ucircumflex /udieresis /dagger
/degree /cent /sterling /section /bullet /paragraph /germandbls
/registered /copyright /trademark /acute /dieresis /.notdef /AE /Oslash
/.notdef /plusminus /.notdef /.notdef /yen /mu /.notdef /.notdef
/.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /ordfeminine /ordmasculine /.notdef /ae
/oslash /questiondown /exclamdown /logicalnot /.notdef /florin /.notdef
/.notdef /guillemotleft /guillemotright /ellipsis /.notdef /Agrave
/Atilde /Otilde /OE /oe /endash /emdash /quotedblleft /quotedblright
/quoteleft /quoteright /divide /.notdef /ydieresis /Ydieresis /fraction
/currency /guilsinglleft /guilsinglright /fi /fl /daggerdbl
/periodcentered /quotesinglbase /quotedblbase /perthousand /Acircumflex
/Ecircumflex /Aacute /Edieresis /Egrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis
/Igrave /Oacute /Ocircumflex /.notdef /Ograve /Uacute /Ucircumflex
/Ugrave /dotlessi /circumflex /tilde /macron /breve /dotaccent /ring
/cedilla /hungarumlaut /ogonek /caron]
 

%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%% %%[
Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%

 
 
 
 
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RE: Alternate PDF tools

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http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-pdf-writer.htm 

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Font Fiasco with FM 9 Book and Distiller

[Pinkham, Jim]

Y'all are awesome! My PDF is ready. Thanks, guys! :)

Not sure how I got away without the hotfix for this long, but it did the
trick.

Jim 

-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
[mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net] 
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 6:43 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Font Fiasco with FM 9 Book and Distiller

I think (but not sure) you are seeing that "Font Cache" XP Pro problem
that is resolved with a particular Microsoft hotfix. The specific hotfix
number has been posted to this news list before - maybe you can search
the archives for it.

Z

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:51 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Font Fiasco with FM 9 Book and Distiller

Hi, all,

I'm trying to get a book out on deadline, hitting a wall tonight, will
have to revisit first thing in a.m.

Set-up:
FM 9.0 p255
Win XP Pro Ver 2002 SP3
Core 2 Duo E6750, 2.66 GH, 3.25 GB of RAM (according to System
Properties)
Default font:Arial

Here's the sequence of trouble:


*   Went to print book; Distiller stopped on pg. 10-11, in the Front
Matter; said it couldn't find Helvetica; font could not be embedded, and
flushed out.
*   Washed all Files via MIF. Using Toolbox, I stripped out all
unused formats (we get a lot of Helvetica in some of our source docs
from Germany); tried again with same result.
*   Tried global update "All Paragraph and Catalog Entries" to
convert any stray instances of Helvetical to Arial; same result. Also
searched and replaced any stray Helvetica in callouts still in Frame
(usually keep callouts with the graphic in Illy).
*   Exported all files via MIF. Using ReplaceText, changed every
instance of Helvetica in the MIF to Arial. Distiller coughed again; said
this time it couldn't find Arial.


I know I have Arial, and I'm pretty sure I have Helvetica. I've been
using FM 9 for about a month with no prior offenses.
What to do?

TIA for any ideas. I'm appending the Distiller log below:

%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%
%%[Page: 1]%%
%%[Page: 2]%%
%%[Page: 3]%%
%%[Page: 4]%%
%%[Page: 5]%%
%%[Page: 6]%%
%%[Page: 7]%%
%%[Page: 8]%%
%%[Page: 9]%%
%%[Page: 10]%%
%%[ Error: Arial not found. Font cannot be embedded. ]%% %%[ Error:
invalidfont; OffendingCommand: findfont ]%%

Stack:
/Font
/Arial
/_Arial
[39 /quotesingle 96 /grave 128 /Adieresis /Aring /Ccedilla /Eacute
/Ntilde /Odieresis /Udieresis /aacute /agrave /acircumflex /adieresis
/atilde /aring /ccedilla /eacute /egrave /ecircumflex /edieresis /iacute
/igrave /icircumflex /idieresis /ntilde /oacute /ograve /ocircumflex
/odieresis /otilde /uacute /ugrave /ucircumflex /udieresis /dagger
/degree /cent /sterling /section /bullet /paragraph /germandbls
/registered /copyright /trademark /acute /dieresis /.notdef /AE /Oslash
/.notdef /plusminus /.notdef /.notdef /yen /mu /.notdef /.notdef
/.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /ordfeminine /ordmasculine /.notdef /ae
/oslash /questiondown /exclamdown /logicalnot /.notdef /florin /.notdef
/.notdef /guillemotleft /guillemotright /ellipsis /.notdef /Agrave
/Atilde /Otilde /OE /oe /endash /emdash /quotedblleft /quotedblright
/quoteleft /quoteright /divide /.notdef /ydieresis /Ydieresis /fraction
/currency /guilsinglleft /guilsinglright /fi /fl /daggerdbl
/periodcentered /quotesinglbase /quotedblbase /perthousand /Acircumflex
/Ecircumflex /Aacute /Edieresis /Egrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis
/Igrave /Oacute /Ocircumflex /.notdef /Ograve /Uacute /Ucircumflex
/Ugrave /dotlessi /circumflex /tilde /macron /breve /dotaccent /ring
/cedilla /hungarumlaut /ogonek /caron]


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http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-pdf-writer.htm 

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Font Fiasco with FM 9 Book and Distiller

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hi, all,
 
I'm trying to get a book out on deadline, hitting a wall tonight, will
have to revisit first thing in a.m.
 
Set-up:
FM 9.0 p255
Win XP Pro Ver 2002 SP3
Core 2 Duo E6750, 2.66 GH, 3.25 GB of RAM (according to System
Properties)
Default font:Arial
 
Here's the sequence of trouble:
 

*   Went to print book; Distiller stopped on pg. 10-11, in the Front
Matter; said it couldn't find Helvetica; font could not be embedded, and
flushed out.
*   Washed all Files via MIF. Using Toolbox, I stripped out all
unused formats (we get a lot of Helvetica in some of our source docs
from Germany); tried again with same result.
*   Tried global update All Paragraph and Catalog Entries to
convert any stray instances of Helvetical to Arial; same result. Also
searched and replaced any stray Helvetica in callouts still in Frame
(usually keep callouts with the graphic in Illy).
*   Exported all files via MIF. Using ReplaceText, changed every
instance of Helvetica in the MIF to Arial. Distiller coughed again; said
this time it couldn't find Arial.

 
I know I have Arial, and I'm pretty sure I have Helvetica. I've been
using FM 9 for about a month with no prior offenses.
What to do?
 
TIA for any ideas. I'm appending the Distiller log below:
 
%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%
%%[Page: 1]%%
%%[Page: 2]%%
%%[Page: 3]%%
%%[Page: 4]%%
%%[Page: 5]%%
%%[Page: 6]%%
%%[Page: 7]%%
%%[Page: 8]%%
%%[Page: 9]%%
%%[Page: 10]%%
%%[ Error: Arial not found. Font cannot be embedded. ]%%
%%[ Error: invalidfont; OffendingCommand: findfont ]%%
 
Stack:
/Font
/Arial
/_Arial
[39 /quotesingle 96 /grave 128 /Adieresis /Aring /Ccedilla /Eacute
/Ntilde /Odieresis /Udieresis /aacute /agrave /acircumflex /adieresis
/atilde /aring /ccedilla /eacute /egrave /ecircumflex /edieresis
/iacute /igrave /icircumflex /idieresis /ntilde /oacute /ograve
/ocircumflex /odieresis /otilde /uacute /ugrave /ucircumflex
/udieresis /dagger /degree /cent /sterling /section /bullet /paragraph
/germandbls /registered /copyright /trademark /acute /dieresis
/.notdef /AE /Oslash /.notdef /plusminus /.notdef /.notdef /yen /mu
/.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /ordfeminine
/ordmasculine /.notdef /ae /oslash /questiondown /exclamdown
/logicalnot /.notdef /florin /.notdef /.notdef /guillemotleft
/guillemotright /ellipsis /.notdef /Agrave /Atilde /Otilde /OE /oe
/endash /emdash /quotedblleft /quotedblright /quoteleft /quoteright
/divide /.notdef /ydieresis /Ydieresis /fraction /currency
/guilsinglleft /guilsinglright /fi /fl /daggerdbl /periodcentered
/quotesinglbase /quotedblbase /perthousand /Acircumflex /Ecircumflex
/Aacute /Edieresis /Egrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Igrave
/Oacute /Ocircumflex /.notdef /Ograve /Uacute /Ucircumflex /Ugrave
/dotlessi /circumflex /tilde /macron /breve /dotaccent /ring /cedilla
/hungarumlaut /ogonek /caron]
 

%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
%%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%

 
 
 
 
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Font Fiasco with FM 9 Book and Distiller

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hi, all,

I'm trying to get a book out on deadline, hitting a wall tonight, will
have to revisit first thing in a.m.

Set-up:
FM 9.0 p255
Win XP Pro Ver 2002 SP3
Core 2 Duo E6750, 2.66 GH, 3.25 GB of RAM (according to System
Properties)
Default font:Arial

Here's the sequence of trouble:


*   Went to print book; Distiller stopped on pg. 10-11, in the Front
Matter; said it couldn't find Helvetica; font could not be embedded, and
flushed out.
*   Washed all Files via MIF. Using Toolbox, I stripped out all
unused formats (we get a lot of Helvetica in some of our source docs
from Germany); tried again with same result.
*   Tried global update "All Paragraph and Catalog Entries" to
convert any stray instances of Helvetical to Arial; same result. Also
searched and replaced any stray Helvetica in callouts still in Frame
(usually keep callouts with the graphic in Illy).
*   Exported all files via MIF. Using ReplaceText, changed every
instance of Helvetica in the MIF to Arial. Distiller coughed again; said
this time it couldn't find Arial.


I know I have Arial, and I'm pretty sure I have Helvetica. I've been
using FM 9 for about a month with no prior offenses.
What to do?

TIA for any ideas. I'm appending the Distiller log below:

%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%
%%[Page: 1]%%
%%[Page: 2]%%
%%[Page: 3]%%
%%[Page: 4]%%
%%[Page: 5]%%
%%[Page: 6]%%
%%[Page: 7]%%
%%[Page: 8]%%
%%[Page: 9]%%
%%[Page: 10]%%
%%[ Error: Arial not found. Font cannot be embedded. ]%%
%%[ Error: invalidfont; OffendingCommand: findfont ]%%

Stack:
/Font
/Arial
/_Arial
[39 /quotesingle 96 /grave 128 /Adieresis /Aring /Ccedilla /Eacute
/Ntilde /Odieresis /Udieresis /aacute /agrave /acircumflex /adieresis
/atilde /aring /ccedilla /eacute /egrave /ecircumflex /edieresis
/iacute /igrave /icircumflex /idieresis /ntilde /oacute /ograve
/ocircumflex /odieresis /otilde /uacute /ugrave /ucircumflex
/udieresis /dagger /degree /cent /sterling /section /bullet /paragraph
/germandbls /registered /copyright /trademark /acute /dieresis
/.notdef /AE /Oslash /.notdef /plusminus /.notdef /.notdef /yen /mu
/.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /ordfeminine
/ordmasculine /.notdef /ae /oslash /questiondown /exclamdown
/logicalnot /.notdef /florin /.notdef /.notdef /guillemotleft
/guillemotright /ellipsis /.notdef /Agrave /Atilde /Otilde /OE /oe
/endash /emdash /quotedblleft /quotedblright /quoteleft /quoteright
/divide /.notdef /ydieresis /Ydieresis /fraction /currency
/guilsinglleft /guilsinglright /fi /fl /daggerdbl /periodcentered
/quotesinglbase /quotedblbase /perthousand /Acircumflex /Ecircumflex
/Aacute /Edieresis /Egrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Igrave
/Oacute /Ocircumflex /.notdef /Ograve /Uacute /Ucircumflex /Ugrave
/dotlessi /circumflex /tilde /macron /breve /dotaccent /ring /cedilla
/hungarumlaut /ogonek /caron]


%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
%%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%

RE: CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

Art, thanks for the sound advice. Chris, thanks for pointing me to your 
updates. Definitely appreciate your meaningful contribution to all of us with 
the FM freeware.

Regards,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:53 AM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

I've always just copied the \Plugins directory, but I haven't gone directly 
from 7 to 9 -- I also had 8 in the path and went from 7  8 and 8  9.
So I'd make a copy of the naked 9 \Plug-ins directory, then add the contents of 
the 7 directory and see what happens. Because a number of years have elapsed, I 
wouldn't expect all of them to work, but that said, most plug-ins will make the 
leap, although those that do text manipulation that includes Unicode characters 
or file format manipulation probably have been re-engineered and re-released.

Worst case is you need to visit the sites of the plug ins that don't work and 
download a newer version.

I'd make sure you have all FM updates installed before you play with the 
plugins.


Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote:
 I've finally taken the plunge from FM 7 to FM 9, and I'm wondering 
 about the smoothest path for migrating the plug-ins. I've got a couple 
 of
 questions:

 1. I know Chris sometimes frequents our lists, so perhaps he or 
 another can confirm whether the CudSpan plug-ins work with FM 9. I've 
 seen that his web site mentions FM 8, but not FM 9. In case cud 
 doesn't see this right away: Are any of you using these tools with FM 
 9, and if so, without mishap?

 2. In general, what is the best way to move plug-ins to a new 
 installation of FM? Any guidelines to follow? Errors to avoid? Any 
 earlier FM plug-ins that have proven notoriously problematic? I've got 
 Archive, RoboMIF, SetPrint, Paragraph and Table Tools, the freeware 
 pieces of Toolbox, and perhaps one or two others.

 Thoughts and insights gratefully accepted :)

 Jim
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CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

Art, thanks for the sound advice. Chris, thanks for pointing me to your 
updates. Definitely appreciate your meaningful contribution to all of us with 
the FM freeware.

Regards,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:53 AM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

I've always just copied the \Plugins directory, but I haven't gone directly 
from 7 to 9 -- I also had 8 in the path and went from 7 > 8 and 8 > 9.
So I'd make a copy of the naked 9 \Plug-ins directory, then add the contents of 
the 7 directory and see what happens. Because a number of years have elapsed, I 
wouldn't expect all of them to work, but that said, most plug-ins will make the 
leap, although those that do text manipulation that includes Unicode characters 
or file format manipulation probably have been re-engineered and re-released.

Worst case is you need to visit the sites of the plug ins that don't work and 
download a newer version.

I'd make sure you have all FM updates installed before you play with the 
plugins.


Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358



On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Pinkham, Jim  wrote:
> I've finally taken the plunge from FM 7 to FM 9, and I'm wondering 
> about the smoothest path for migrating the plug-ins. I've got a couple 
> of
> questions:
>
> 1. I know Chris sometimes frequents our lists, so perhaps he or 
> another can confirm whether the CudSpan plug-ins work with FM 9. I've 
> seen that his web site mentions FM 8, but not FM 9. In case cud 
> doesn't see this right away: Are any of you using these tools with FM 
> 9, and if so, without mishap?
>
> 2. In general, what is the best way to move plug-ins to a new 
> installation of FM? Any guidelines to follow? Errors to avoid? Any 
> earlier FM plug-ins that have proven notoriously problematic? I've got 
> Archive, RoboMIF, SetPrint, Paragraph and Table Tools, the freeware 
> pieces of Toolbox, and perhaps one or two others.
>
> Thoughts and insights gratefully accepted :)
>
> Jim
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RE: CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

Thanks, Mike. Very helpful.

Jim 

-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

 1. I know Chris sometimes frequents our lists, so perhaps he or 
 another can confirm whether the CudSpan plug-ins work with FM 9. I've 
 seen that his web site mentions FM 8, but not FM 9. In case cud 
 doesn't see this right away: Are any of you using these tools with FM 
 9, and if so, without mishap?

Hopefully Chris will pop in with the best answer. There was an issue
with cudlog.dll breaking the recent file history in structured (but not
unstructured) FM8. I found a note I made that says it was fixed with
v1.0.0.1, but I notice that I did not install that one in FM9. I'm not
sure why. Maybe it was still broken or maybe I never had time to test it
and then forgot about it. The other cudlog plugins have been installed
since FM9 came out and I am unaware of them creating any problems for
me.

 2. In general, what is the best way to move plug-ins to a new 
 installation of FM? Any guidelines to follow? Errors to avoid? Any 
 earlier FM plug-ins that have proven notoriously problematic? I've got

 Archive, RoboMIF, SetPrint, Paragraph and Table Tools, the freeware 
 pieces of Toolbox, and perhaps one or two others.

Most of these have had updates to make them compatible with FM9. So just
be sure to download the latest. I believe you have to e-mail Bruce
Foster to get the latest Archive. Except for RoboMIF (which I don't
use), I've got all the plugins you've listed working fine with FM9,
though I believe every one of them had an updated version that I
installed.

Depending on which plugins you have, you may be able to copy your old
plugins directory to FM9, then update the ones you can update and see
what happens. Some plugins, of course, have entries in maker.ini that
you may need to add. And some plugins (such as Leximation's) create
their own folders, instead of using the default plugins folder.

Mike Wickham


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CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

Thanks, Mike. Very helpful.

Jim 

-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:29 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

> 1. I know Chris sometimes frequents our lists, so perhaps he or 
> another can confirm whether the CudSpan plug-ins work with FM 9. I've 
> seen that his web site mentions FM 8, but not FM 9. In case cud 
> doesn't see this right away: Are any of you using these tools with FM 
> 9, and if so, without mishap?

Hopefully Chris will pop in with the best answer. There was an issue
with cudlog.dll breaking the recent file history in structured (but not
unstructured) FM8. I found a note I made that says it was fixed with
v1.0.0.1, but I notice that I did not install that one in FM9. I'm not
sure why. Maybe it was still broken or maybe I never had time to test it
and then forgot about it. The other cudlog plugins have been installed
since FM9 came out and I am unaware of them creating any problems for
me.

> 2. In general, what is the best way to move plug-ins to a new 
> installation of FM? Any guidelines to follow? Errors to avoid? Any 
> earlier FM plug-ins that have proven notoriously problematic? I've got

> Archive, RoboMIF, SetPrint, Paragraph and Table Tools, the freeware 
> pieces of Toolbox, and perhaps one or two others.

Most of these have had updates to make them compatible with FM9. So just
be sure to download the latest. I believe you have to e-mail Bruce
Foster to get the latest Archive. Except for RoboMIF (which I don't
use), I've got all the plugins you've listed working fine with FM9,
though I believe every one of them had an updated version that I
installed.

Depending on which plugins you have, you may be able to copy your old
plugins directory to FM9, then update the ones you can update and see
what happens. Some plugins, of course, have entries in maker.ini that
you may need to add. And some plugins (such as Leximation's) create
their own folders, instead of using the default plugins folder.

Mike Wickham

CudSpan and other Plug-Ins for FM 9

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've finally taken the plunge from FM 7 to FM 9, and I'm wondering about
the smoothest path for migrating the plug-ins. I've got a couple of
questions:
 
1. I know Chris sometimes frequents our lists, so perhaps he or another
can confirm whether the CudSpan plug-ins work with FM 9. I've seen that
his web site mentions FM 8, but not FM 9. In case cud doesn't see this
right away: Are any of you using these tools with FM 9, and if so,
without mishap?
 
2. In general, what is the best way to move plug-ins to a new
installation of FM? Any guidelines to follow? Errors to avoid? Any
earlier FM plug-ins that have proven notoriously problematic? I've got
Archive, RoboMIF, SetPrint, Paragraph and Table Tools, the freeware
pieces of Toolbox, and perhaps one or two others.
 
Thoughts and insights gratefully accepted :)
 
Jim
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[Pinkham, Jim]

I've finally taken the plunge from FM 7 to FM 9, and I'm wondering about
the smoothest path for migrating the plug-ins. I've got a couple of
questions:

1. I know Chris sometimes frequents our lists, so perhaps he or another
can confirm whether the CudSpan plug-ins work with FM 9. I've seen that
his web site mentions FM 8, but not FM 9. In case cud doesn't see this
right away: Are any of you using these tools with FM 9, and if so,
without mishap?

2. In general, what is the best way to move plug-ins to a new
installation of FM? Any guidelines to follow? Errors to avoid? Any
earlier FM plug-ins that have proven notoriously problematic? I've got
Archive, RoboMIF, SetPrint, Paragraph and Table Tools, the freeware
pieces of Toolbox, and perhaps one or two others.

Thoughts and insights gratefully accepted :)

Jim

[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

[Pinkham, Jim]

Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion
Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

Wow! That is awesome bafflegab.

*scratches head*

Nadine

--- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion  wrote:

> From: Yves Barbion 
> Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group
> 
> Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, 
> no
> update) costs:
> 
> ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store
> ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv
> ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store
> ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3
> 
> I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me 
> was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer 
> free support". But I don't need support!
> 
> When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can 
> have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me 
> with my product selection. This is the result:
> 
> Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative.
> Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your 
> selection today?
> Darryl: Hello, how can I help you?
> Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs
> $299 in the US
> Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this 
> HUGE difference in price?
> Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are 
> giving our Customers the best products and at the right price.
> Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing 
> like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference 
> in the perceived value of the product'.
> Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the 
> software?
> Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why?
> Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing 
> like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference 
> in the perceived value of the product'.
> 
> Huh?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

[Pinkham, Jim]

Point taken -- but a skilled political debating coach could fix up that small 
flaw. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lea Rush
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:33 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;)


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> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion
> Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> 
> Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> 
> Wow! That is awesome bafflegab.
> 
> *scratches head*
> 
> Nadine
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> 
> > From: Yves Barbion 
> > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group
> >
> > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, 
> > no
> > update) costs:
> >
> > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store
> > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv
> > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store
> > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3
> >
> > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave 
> > me was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have 
> > offer free support". But I don't need support!
> >
> > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I 
> > can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to 
> > assiste me with my product selection. This is the result:
> >
> > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative.
> > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your 
> > selection today?
> > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you?
> > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs
> > $299 in the US
> > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for 
> > this HUGE difference in price?
> > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are 
> > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price.
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Multiple Page Sizes in FM Files > PDF

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hi, Alison,

I have best luck with this when I print the book as individual files.
Then my letter-sized documents and tabloid-sized documents consistently
distill correctly for my chapters or sub-chapters. It's only a few more
moments to combine the files back into a single PDF using the Combine
command in Acrobat. 

HTH,
Jim

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:06 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Multiple Page Sizes in FM Files > PDF

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 15 months
Acrobat Pro 7.0 (Creative Suite 2)
Writing Team: 1 (me)

This may not be the right forum but I'll give it a try, with the caveat
that I am *not* an Acrobat expert - I created my original JobOptions via
MS Word and I create my PDF with "Save as PDF" (unlike others on this
list, I've never had any issues with my output using "Save as PDF").

My Service Manuals are created on standard letter size paper in Portrait
format. However, I have just added a series of one page files that are
tabloid sized (11 X 17) in Landscape format.

Unfortunately, when I use "Save as PDF" to turn the Book into a PDF,
*all* the pages are letter-sized. However, if I create a PDF from one of
the single tabloid-sized file, the PDF is tabloid-sized.

I can't find anywhere under JobOption creation that will allow me to
tell the PDF to create page sizes "as found", if you will. Nor can I
find any options in the "Save as PDF" dialog box that allows me to do
anything other than specify a single page size (I even tried leaving the
page size blank but got the same results - all letter sized pages).

I know this has to be possible, but I don't know how to get there from
here.

Any suggestions?

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com


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RE: Templates for international use

[Pinkham, Jim]

Roy, there's a handy section on localizing templastes in Gregory Wasson
and David Valiulis Adobe FrameMaker Template Series Primer, and the
overall document is an excellent, thorough resource for template work.
The primer is at
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/pdfs/primer.pdf and
there are some other handy links on the
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/ page.

HTH,
Jim 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Roy Lewis
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:38 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Templates for international use

Our international offices have agreed to begin using Framemaker to
create locale specific documentaion. They will use the same tags and
formats we do, but things like paper size being different will surely
have some impact on the general page layout, master pages etc.

First, I am trying to compile a list of things to check to ensure I have
covered everything. If anyone has done this before and is willing to
share things to watch for, I would appreciate it.

Second, Is it necessary to maintain a completely separate set of
templates just because of the different page size? I would rather not
have to maintain templates that have only 5% differences.

Thirdly, if parallel templates are required, what is the easiest method
for maintaining the changes? and keeping the templates synchronized?

Any and all suggestions or comments are appreciated.

Thanks,

Roy Lewis
Kronos Incorporated.



  
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Templates for international use

[Pinkham, Jim]

Roy, there's a handy section on localizing templastes in Gregory Wasson
and David Valiulis "Adobe FrameMaker Template Series Primer," and the
overall document is an excellent, thorough resource for template work.
The primer is at
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/pdfs/primer.pdf and
there are some other handy links on the
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/tempseries/ page.

HTH,
Jim 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Roy Lewis
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:38 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Templates for international use

Our international offices have agreed to begin using Framemaker to
create locale specific documentaion. They will use the same tags and
formats we do, but things like paper size being different will surely
have some impact on the general page layout, master pages etc.

First, I am trying to compile a list of things to check to ensure I have
covered everything. If anyone has done this before and is willing to
share things to watch for, I would appreciate it.

Second, Is it necessary to maintain a completely separate set of
templates just because of the different page size? I would rather not
have to maintain templates that have only 5% differences.

Thirdly, if parallel templates are required, what is the easiest method
for maintaining the changes? and keeping the templates synchronized?

Any and all suggestions or comments are appreciated.

Thanks,

Roy Lewis
Kronos Incorporated.




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RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

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I second the motion for O'Keefe and the Scriptorium gang: great book,
good resources on the web site.

I'm a power user of Word, also, Corrie, and have used it for 13 years. I
just spent 23 hours this weekend mucking around in Word and Publisher to
get a manual formatted for a client. The entire thing will be less than
200 pp., but it's still a work in progress -- huge mish-mash of styles
to begin with, lots of ad hoc formatting, loads of tabular material, all
the original images embedded in the Word doc and only available there
until extracted. In some cases, it's been line by line and cell by cell
getting things right. Although I respect both Word and Publisher as
tools, and despite my familiarity and comfort with them, I have to say,
putting it as charitably as possible, that they probably weren't the
best choice for the job. 

For what I was doing, InDesign, Quark, or FrameMaker probably would have
made my life significantly easier. For what you're talking about,
FrameMaker seems like a slam-dunk.

Don't despair if Frame seems daunting at first. For the first six weeks
I worked with it (FM 6 at the time), I was ready to throw it out the
window. It took several months before I began to feel reasonably fluent.
I was still learning new things for a long while after that. For that
matter, I'm still learning things about Frame and refining my skills.
And this list is a huge resource for making the road a much smoother one
to travel. The good news is, despite the nuances, it really doesn't take
very long to get to work in Frame and start doing the things you want to
do.


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Coatsworth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:15 AM
To: N Collins; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

I would recommend the excellent manual Publishing Fundamentals:
Unstructured Framemaker 8 by Sarah O'Keefe - available through the
Scriptorium website (www.scriptorium.com) for less than $20. Even though
the interface has changed in FM9, the same actions that are described in
FM8 in the book still work in 9. It's a great starter book for beginners
(I'm one of them too).  

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of N Collins
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:24 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

Hi!

I'm still using the trial version and need to make a recommendation to a
client on if FrameMaker is the right tool for their system instruction
manuals.  Client has a job shop and sells many unique system
configurations made from standard components to private and government
clients.  The idea is to quickly assemble a unique manual for each
system order shipped.  If I recommend FM, then client will buy FM and
pay for training for several users.  The client is biased against Word,
and frankly for any document larger than 50 pages, I agree.  Word gets
tangled on itself over large files.

I've never used FM before and trying to learn 9.0.  I'm an advanced user
of Word, in Windows 7 (technical writer using Word for over 15 years).
I bought and went through most of Classroom in a Book for FM9, but I'm
stumbling over the vocabulary (things like Headings versus Markers don't
seem to be 1:1 meanings, for example).  Dummies books have always given
me a great head start, but the only one out there I can find is
Framemaker 5.5 for Dummies.  My thought is that Dummies/FM 5.5 could at
least help me understand how FM works/thinks, achieve a rudimentary
glossary, so then I can use other FM training tools.

What I'm tasked to do is to create multiple individual files with unique
content, and create various manuals with different file combinations -
each manual with a table of contents and index and automatic page
numbering.  I think I'm supposed to learn unstructured first in order to
do this?  Or do I need to learn structured first and make some master
templates?  Any suggestions or perhaps anyone care to send me an example
to play with?
Maybe I should forget about FrameMaker and try something else?  I'm open
to your suggestions.

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Corrie in Tempe, AZ
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RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

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Here goes:

http://isbn.nu/9780764506376.

Didn't look closely, but 75 cents sounds hard to beat :) 

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Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Frame Users; Sarah O'Keefe
Subject: Re: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

There must be some used copies out there somewhere.

I still refer to my copy often.

Nadine

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 FrameMaker 5.5.6 for Dummies. Pretty sure it's out of 
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RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

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Quite valid points all, Fred. Thanks for bringing them forward.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:05 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; generic...@yahoo.ca; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools


But anyone who buys a used FrameMaker 5.5.6 book needs to be aware that
several of the features that seem to most confuse new users have changed
significantly since that pretty ancient version of the tool. 
For example, while the basic concepts of the numbering feature (a source
of much confusion despite the fact that it is eminently logical if you
just think it through) remained the same, the most effective way to
implement many typical numbering changed a lot when Adobe introduced the
$volnum and $chapnum system variables in FM6. And FM6 also *greatly*
expanded the scope and functionality of the book window. 
And FM8 introduced some major changes to conditional text, including
Boolean expressions, which probably confused as many users with the
additional complexity as it did to help those who were having problems
from the get-go.
 
-Fred Ridder
   
 
 Subject: RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools
 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:01:57 -0500
 From: jim.pink...@voith.com
 To: generic...@yahoo.ca; framers@lists.frameusers.com;
oke...@scriptorium.com
 
 Here goes:
 
 http://isbn.nu/9780764506376.
 
 Didn't look closely, but 75 cents sounds hard to beat :) 
 
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 Subject: Re: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools
 
 There must be some used copies out there somewhere.
 
 I still refer to my copy often.
 
 Nadine
 
 --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Sarah O'Keefe oke...@scriptorium.com wrote:
 
  FrameMaker 5.5.6 for Dummies. Pretty sure it's out of 
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FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

[Pinkham, Jim]

I second the motion for O'Keefe and the Scriptorium gang: great book,
good resources on the web site.

I'm a power user of Word, also, Corrie, and have used it for 13 years. I
just spent 23 hours this weekend mucking around in Word and Publisher to
get a manual formatted for a client. The entire thing will be less than
200 pp., but it's still a work in progress -- huge mish-mash of styles
to begin with, lots of ad hoc formatting, loads of tabular material, all
the original images embedded in the Word doc and only available there
until extracted. In some cases, it's been line by line and cell by cell
getting things right. Although I respect both Word and Publisher as
tools, and despite my familiarity and comfort with them, I have to say,
putting it as charitably as possible, that they probably weren't the
best choice for the job. 

For what I was doing, InDesign, Quark, or FrameMaker probably would have
made my life significantly easier. For what you're talking about,
FrameMaker seems like a slam-dunk.

Don't despair if Frame seems daunting at first. For the first six weeks
I worked with it (FM 6 at the time), I was ready to throw it out the
window. It took several months before I began to feel reasonably fluent.
I was still learning new things for a long while after that. For that
matter, I'm still learning things about Frame and refining my skills.
And this list is a huge resource for making the road a much smoother one
to travel. The good news is, despite the nuances, it really doesn't take
very long to get to work in Frame and start doing the things you want to
do.


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Coatsworth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:15 AM
To: N Collins; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

I would recommend the excellent manual "Publishing Fundamentals:
Unstructured Framemaker 8" by Sarah O'Keefe - available through the
Scriptorium website (www.scriptorium.com) for less than $20. Even though
the interface has changed in FM9, the same actions that are described in
FM8 in the book still work in 9. It's a great starter book for beginners
(I'm one of them too).  

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of N Collins
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:24 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

Hi!

I'm still using the trial version and need to make a recommendation to a
client on if FrameMaker is the right tool for their system instruction
manuals.  Client has a job shop and sells many unique system
configurations made from standard components to private and government
clients.  The idea is to quickly assemble a unique manual for each
system order shipped.  If I recommend FM, then client will buy FM and
pay for training for several users.  The client is biased against Word,
and frankly for any document larger than 50 pages, I agree.  Word gets
tangled on itself over large files.

I've never used FM before and trying to learn 9.0.  I'm an advanced user
of Word, in Windows 7 (technical writer using Word for over 15 years).
I bought and went through most of "Classroom in a Book" for FM9, but I'm
stumbling over the vocabulary (things like Headings versus Markers don't
seem to be 1:1 meanings, for example).  Dummies books have always given
me a great head start, but the only one out there I can find is
Framemaker 5.5 for Dummies.  My thought is that Dummies/FM 5.5 could at
least help me understand how FM "works/thinks", achieve a rudimentary
glossary, so then I can use other FM training tools.

What I'm tasked to do is to create multiple individual files with unique
content, and create various manuals with different file combinations -
each manual with a table of contents and index and automatic page
numbering.  I think I'm supposed to learn unstructured first in order to
do this?  Or do I need to learn structured first and make some master
templates?  Any suggestions or perhaps anyone care to send me an example
to play with?
Maybe I should forget about FrameMaker and try something else?  I'm open
to your suggestions.

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Corrie in Tempe, AZ
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Here goes:

http://isbn.nu/9780764506376.

Didn't look closely, but 75 cents sounds hard to beat :) 

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Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Frame Users; Sarah O'Keefe
Subject: Re: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

There must be some used copies out there somewhere.

I still refer to my copy often.

Nadine

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Sarah O'Keefe  wrote:

> FrameMaker 5.5.6 for Dummies. Pretty sure it's out of 
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[Pinkham, Jim]

Quite valid points all, Fred. Thanks for bringing them forward.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:05 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools


But anyone who buys a used FrameMaker 5.5.6 book needs to be aware that
several of the features that seem to most confuse new users have changed
significantly since that pretty ancient version of the tool. 
For example, while the basic concepts of the numbering feature (a source
of much confusion despite the fact that it is eminently logical if you
just think it through) remained the same, the most effective way to
implement many typical numbering changed a lot when Adobe introduced the
$volnum and $chapnum system variables in FM6. And FM6 also *greatly*
expanded the scope and functionality of the book window. 
And FM8 introduced some major changes to conditional text, including
Boolean expressions, which probably confused as many users with the
additional complexity as it did to help those who were having problems
from the get-go.

-Fred Ridder


> Subject: RE: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:01:57 -0500
> From: Jim.Pinkham at voith.com
> To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com;
okeefe at scriptorium.com
> 
> Here goes:
> 
> http://isbn.nu/9780764506376.
> 
> Didn't look closely, but 75 cents sounds hard to beat :) 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: Frame Users; Sarah O'Keefe
> Subject: Re: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools
> 
> There must be some used copies out there somewhere.
> 
> I still refer to my copy often.
> 
> Nadine
> 
> --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Sarah O'Keefe  wrote:
> 
> > FrameMaker 5.5.6 for Dummies. Pretty sure it's out of 
> > print/unavailable. 350ish pages.
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The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars
with Hotmail. Get busy.
<http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar=
PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5>  

FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools

[Pinkham, Jim]

Interesting, MikeI've used isbn.nu for years, and it does a great
job of finding books by ISBN number and, like your site, searching a
whole bunch of options at once. I'll bet the rare domain name is what
set somebody at Symantec to wondering.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:47 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim; Frame Users
Subject: Re: FM9 Newbie looking for best self training tools


> Here goes:
>
> http://isbn.nu/9780764506376.
>
> Didn't look closely, but 75 cents sounds hard to beat :)

For what it's worth, Norton Internet Security flagged that page for me: 
"Suspicious Web Page Blocked. For your protection, this web page has
been blocked and submitted for review. Visit Symantec to learn more
about phishing and internet security."

My favorite used book search is http://used.addall.com/. It searches a
whole bunch of used book sites at once. Very useful!

Mike Wickham

RE: Landscape pages in PDF

[Pinkham, Jim]

Philip, this another of those topics we've discussed before. Here's what
I do, in brief:

1. Make sure you've done landscape page setup in Frame in the applicable
chapter(s).
2. Print the book to PDF as individual chapters, instead of doing the
book all in one fell swoop, as you probably usually do. They should come
out in the various sizes you've established.
3. Assemble individual chapters into final PDF.

HTH,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Philip
Sharman
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:11 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Landscape pages in PDF

Hi Folks,
   I have one chapter in a book which uses landscape pages instead of
portrait.  I can make a PDF of the individual chapter okay, but when I
make a PDF of the book the landscape pages are chopped off.  (This
happens if I create landscape master pages, or if I create a brand new
document using the default landscape layout.)

   On the Adobe forums, someone else has a similar problem:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/2794221?tstart=0  One suggestion was to
go into the Acrobat Distiller Preferences and change the Rotate Pages
Setting to Individual but that doesn't solve it.

   Has anyone found a solution?

   I'm using:
   - FrameMaker 9.0p255 (the 9.0.4 patch)
   - Acrobat Distiller 9.0
   - Windows VIsta for Business
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Landscape pages in PDF

[Pinkham, Jim]

Philip, this another of those topics we've discussed before. Here's what
I do, in brief:

1. Make sure you've done landscape page setup in Frame in the applicable
chapter(s).
2. Print the book to PDF as individual chapters, instead of doing the
book all in one fell swoop, as you probably usually do. They should come
out in the various sizes you've established.
3. Assemble individual chapters into final PDF.

HTH,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Philip
Sharman
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:11 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Landscape pages in PDF

Hi Folks,
   I have one chapter in a book which uses landscape pages instead of
portrait.  I can make a PDF of the individual chapter okay, but when I
make a PDF of the book the landscape pages are chopped off.  (This
happens if I create landscape master pages, or if I create a brand new
document using the default landscape layout.)

   On the Adobe forums, someone else has a similar problem:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/2794221?tstart=0  One suggestion was to
go into the Acrobat Distiller Preferences and change the Rotate Pages
Setting to "Individual" but that doesn't solve it.

   Has anyone found a solution?

   I'm using:
   - FrameMaker 9.0p255 (the 9.0.4 patch)
   - Acrobat Distiller 9.0
   - Windows VIsta for Business
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RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is notrepeated for further pages of the table

[Pinkham, Jim]

Going back to OP's original source, the following document has also
proven quite useful to us over the years:
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel
Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:15 AM
To: Avraham Makeler; Framers
Subject: Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is
notrepeated for further pages of the table

You just have to add a header row (TableAdd Rows or ColumnsAdd 1 Row
To Heading).

Unlike Word, you can't tell Frame that a row is (or is not) a heading
row. If you want a heading row, you have to add one. If you don't want a
heading row, you have to delete it.

Also, when a table is imported from Word, it may have custom ruling
which you may not want. Select the entire table, then select 
TableCustom Ruling and ShadingFrom Table (to all sides of cell)Apply.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 01-Jul-10 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote:
 Hi all,

RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not
repeated
 for further pages of the table

 Using: FM 7.2.
 Importing from: Word 2003

 I found that when I import documents from Word 2003 that contain long
 tables, the table heading row is not repeated for further pages of the
same
 table.

 I expected there to be a simple Properties setting controlling this,
but I
 could not find one. I tried opening the FM documents in FM 8 to see if
such
 a Properties setting exists there, and still no luck.

 So I ran a search for a solution, and I found the *The Word-to-Frame
table
 macro*, by a certain *Stephen Sealy*, at:
  http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf

 You save your FM document as a MIF file, and then load it into Word's
VBA
 environment (yes...Word - we just want to use the Word API's powerful
string
 processing facilities), and run Stephen's VBA program.

 Ok, great - but it didn't work. So I debugged it a bit, and found that
it
 used a search string that was not quite accurate, so the searches did
not
 work. Ok - so I fixed that, and ran it again. Then I found that it
started
 to update the MIF by adding header rows, but then it hung the PC.

 OK - so it probably works, but maybe it was written for a different
version
 of FM and/or MIF.
 So is there a different solution for this?
 Or does somebody have a debugged version of this VBA program? (For FM
7.2.)

 TIA

- avi


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Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is notrepeated for further pages of the table

[Pinkham, Jim]

Going back to OP's original source, the following document has also
proven quite useful to us over the years:
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel
Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:15 AM
To: Avraham Makeler; Framers
Subject: Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is
notrepeated for further pages of the table

You just have to add a header row (Table>Add Rows or Columns>Add 1 Row
To Heading).

Unlike Word, you can't tell Frame that a row is (or is not) a heading
row. If you want a heading row, you have to add one. If you don't want a
heading row, you have to delete it.

Also, when a table is imported from Word, it may have custom ruling
which you may not want. Select the entire table, then select 
Table>Custom Ruling and Shading>From Table (to all sides of cell)>Apply.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 01-Jul-10 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>RE:  Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not
repeated
> for further pages of the table
>
> Using: FM 7.2.
> Importing from: Word 2003
>
> I found that when I import documents from Word 2003 that contain long
> tables, the table heading row is not repeated for further pages of the
same
> table.
>
> I expected there to be a simple Properties setting controlling this,
but I
> could not find one. I tried opening the FM documents in FM 8 to see if
such
> a Properties setting exists there, and still no luck.
>
> So I ran a search for a solution, and I found the *"The Word-to-Frame
table
> macro"*, by a certain *Stephen Sealy*, at:
>  http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf
>
> You save your FM document as a MIF file, and then load it into Word's
VBA
> environment (yes...Word - we just want to use the Word API's powerful
string
> processing facilities), and run Stephen's VBA program.
>
> Ok, great - but it didn't work. So I debugged it a bit, and found that
it
> used a search string that was not quite accurate, so the searches did
not
> work. Ok - so I fixed that, and ran it again. Then I found that it
started
> to update the MIF by adding header rows, but then it hung the PC.
>
> OK - so it probably works, but maybe it was written for a different
version
> of FM and/or MIF.
> So is there a different solution for this?
> Or does somebody have a debugged version of this VBA program? (For FM
7.2.)
>
> TIA
>
>- avi
>
>
> "Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle"
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RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hi, Pat,

This comes up periodically on the list and a search of the archives will
offer more details. There's a how-to article by Lyn Eggleston that I've
found often useful. I've mentioned it before and will send to you
off-list.

Jim

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pat
Christenson
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:09 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Hi -

I have approximately 2000 pages to convert from Word to Frame. The
graphics are embedded but the client wants them imported by reference in
Frame. I tried extracting them from Word by saving a file as HTML but
the graphics became blurry and unusable. They look fine when I open the
Word file in Frame.

Is there a way to extract graphics from Word without losing quality?  
Or a utility that converts embedded graphics in Frame into imported-
by-reference?

Thanks for any help.

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RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

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It's always a last-ditch optioin, but it risks a sometimes harsh cost in
compromised image quality. 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:22 PM
To: Frame Users
Cc: Pat Christenson
Subject: RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Pat,

The best way I have found to do this is to print the Word document to
PDF, then use Acrobat to extract the applicable pages and crop away
everything except the graphics you need. Then the PDF becomes your
source file for the graphics. This works no matter what the original
graphic format was or how they got into Word.

Clint 


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425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

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To: Frame Users
Subject: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Hi -

I have approximately 2000 pages to convert from Word to Frame. The
graphics are embedded but the client wants them imported by reference in
Frame. I tried extracting them from Word by saving a file as HTML but
the graphics became blurry and unusable. They look fine when I open the
Word file in Frame.

Is there a way to extract graphics from Word without losing quality?  
Or a utility that converts embedded graphics in Frame into imported-
by-reference?

Thanks for any help.

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Extracting embedded graphics from Word

[Pinkham, Jim]

Hi, Pat,

This comes up periodically on the list and a search of the archives will
offer more details. There's a how-to article by Lyn Eggleston that I've
found often useful. I've mentioned it before and will send to you
off-list.

Jim

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pat
Christenson
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:09 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Hi -

I have approximately 2000 pages to convert from Word to Frame. The
graphics are embedded but the client wants them imported by reference in
Frame. I tried "extracting" them from Word by saving a file as HTML but
the graphics became blurry and unusable. They look fine when I open the
Word file in Frame.

Is there a way to extract graphics from Word without losing quality?  
Or a utility that converts embedded graphics in Frame into imported-
by-reference?

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Extracting embedded graphics from Word

[Pinkham, Jim]

It's always a last-ditch optioin, but it risks a sometimes harsh cost in
compromised image quality. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:22 PM
To: Frame Users
Cc: Pat Christenson
Subject: RE: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Pat,

The best way I have found to do this is to print the Word document to
PDF, then use Acrobat to extract the applicable pages and crop away
everything except the graphics you need. Then the PDF becomes your
source file for the graphics. This works no matter what the original
graphic format was or how they got into Word.

Clint 


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425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

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Christenson
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:09 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Extracting embedded graphics from Word

Hi -

I have approximately 2000 pages to convert from Word to Frame. The
graphics are embedded but the client wants them imported by reference in
Frame. I tried "extracting" them from Word by saving a file as HTML but
the graphics became blurry and unusable. They look fine when I open the
Word file in Frame.

Is there a way to extract graphics from Word without losing quality?  
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RE: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...

[Pinkham, Jim]

The ALT+0151 sequence is also handy for the em-dash in Frame. We do use
and prefer the spaces on each side - and have never run into issues with
the spell-checker. 

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To: Andy Kass
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...

On 28/06/2010 1:58 PM, Andy Kass wrote:

 And I do like the fact that Word automatically converts 
 space-dash-space to space-EN-dash-space. It also converts dash-dash to

 EM-dash automatically when it occurs between two words without any 
 spaces. Those are very nice shortcuts I'd love to see in FM.

I find Ctrl+q, shift+q just as quick to produce an em-dash as typing two
hyphens, and Ctrl+q, shift+p faster than space-hyphen-space for an
en-dash.  But then, my pinkie is a lousy driver on the rough roads of
the top row ;-)

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Spell checking with em dashes in text ...

[Pinkham, Jim]

The ALT+0151 sequence is also handy for the em-dash in Frame. We do use
and prefer the spaces on each side - and have never run into issues with
the spell-checker. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
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Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:13 PM
To: Andy Kass
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...

On 28/06/2010 1:58 PM, Andy Kass wrote:
>
> And I do like the fact that Word automatically converts 
> space-dash-space to space-EN-dash-space. It also converts dash-dash to

> EM-dash automatically when it occurs between two words without any 
> spaces. Those are very nice shortcuts I'd love to see in FM.

I find Ctrl+q, shift+q just as quick to produce an em-dash as typing two
hyphens, and Ctrl+q, shift+p faster than space-hyphen-space for an
en-dash.  But then, my pinkie is a lousy driver on the rough roads of
the top row ;-)

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RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Pinkham, Jim]

For a clipboard utility, I can also recommend Yankee Clipper III. I've
used that utility and its predecessor for years. Also just read a great
review of Ditto, which I'll be taking for a test drive. Both are free. 

HTH,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:57 AM
To: Avraham Makeler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

I misunderstood what you were saying -- you're asking about each unique
object reference, but I read what you wrote to mean the global
definitions of the type of object.

And, as far as:
Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it
into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window
and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet
a repeat instance.

Download a copy of ClipMate, Great utility and it'll let you do other
stuff too. Quicker than cutting and pasting between FM docs.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358


On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Avraham Makeler
amake...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Art. Thanks for the response.

  First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and
 could
 become a potential maintenance nightmare.

  I think it's unnecessary
 I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference 
 guides. So they want what they see elsewhere.

  could become a potential maintenance nightmare.
 That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe 
 because none such document that I ever worked on ever actually 
 realized that horrifying potential in practice.

 I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this 
 API had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now 
 and again, as well as their positions in the document being changed. 
 However, in the year and half I have known this API document it has 
 only ever grown---it is now over 700 pages long---it has never 
 *changed*. But you know what - I could them about this.

  The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably
 another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less 
 than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it,

 but if he or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your 
 readers probably can.

 As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API 
 reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget...

  If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these 
  because
 they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter
weight.

 I will have to check that out. Thanks.

  With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to 
  define
 one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then 
 copy the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects 
 turned on,
 right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from 
 the clipboard.

 Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is 
 repeated many times. In the updates to this document, all the 
 cross-refs are different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link 
 targets to choose from, why repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.)

 Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste 
 it into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small 
 window and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and 
 when I meet a repeat instance.

 Great thanks,

  - avi




 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and 
  could become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be 
  under the impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will 
  forget what a basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds...

  If the SME
 forgets,
  there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the
 concept
  for an hour or so, your readers probably can.
 
  If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these 
  because they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are
lighter weight.
 
  With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to 
  define
 one
  of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then 
  copy
 the
  word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned 
  on,
  right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting 
  from the clipboard.
 
  Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world 

FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

[Pinkham, Jim]

For a clipboard utility, I can also recommend Yankee Clipper III. I've
used that utility and its predecessor for years. Also just read a great
review of Ditto, which I'll be taking for a test drive. Both are free. 

HTH,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:57 AM
To: Avraham Makeler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?

I misunderstood what you were saying -- you're asking about each unique
object reference, but I read what you wrote to mean the global
definitions of the type of object.

And, as far as:
"Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it
into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window
and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet
a repeat instance."

Download a copy of ClipMate, Great utility and it'll let you do other
stuff too. Quicker than cutting and pasting between FM docs.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358


On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Avraham Makeler
wrote:

> Hi Art. Thanks for the response.
>
> >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and
> could
> become a potential maintenance nightmare.
>
> >> I think it's unnecessary
> I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference 
> guides. So they want what they see elsewhere.
>
> >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare.
> That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe 
> because none such document that I ever worked on ever actually 
> realized that horrifying potential in practice.
>
> I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this 
> API had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now 
> and again, as well as their positions in the document being changed. 
> However, in the year and half I have known this API document it has 
> only ever grown---it is now over 700 pages long---it has never 
> *changed*. But you know what - I could them about this.
>
> >> The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably
> another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less 
> than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it,

> but if he or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your 
> readers probably can.
>
> As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API 
> reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget...
>
> >> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these 
> >> because
> they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter
weight.
>
> I will have to check that out. Thanks.
>
> >> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to 
> >> define
> one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then 
> copy the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects 
> turned on,
> right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from 
> the clipboard.
>
> Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is 
> repeated many times. In the updates to this document, all the 
> cross-refs are different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link 
> targets to choose from, why repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.)
>
> Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste 
> it into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small 
> window and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and 
> when I meet a repeat instance.
>
> Great thanks,
>
>  - avi
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell  >wrote:
>
> > First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and 
> > could become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be 
> > under the impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will 
> > forget what a basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds...

> > If the SME
> forgets,
> > there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the
> concept
> > for an hour or so, your readers probably can.
> >
> > If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these 
> > because they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are
lighter weight.
> >
> > With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to 
> > define
> one
> > of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then 
> > copy
> the
> > word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned 
> > on,
> > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting 
> > from the clipboard.
> >
> > 

RE: PDF weirdness

[Pinkham, Jim]

Good luck, Cynthia.  I've forgotten all of the details, but I've had
this happen in FM 6 and FM 7, too, so we can't blame FM 9 for this one. 

I'm pretty sure the settings were on the Frame side. Sorry if a bit
vague, but I'd suggest you double-check the Print Setup settings at the
book level and make sure you have A4 under Paper - Size. Hopefully,
you're printing to the Adobe PDF instance. Double-check the Adobe
settings and make sure that page size is A4 also. The other place to
check is the Page Size settings under Format - Document - PDF setup. Do
this at the book level and you can handle every chapter at once. If all
three of those spots (Print Setup, Adobe PDF Page Size, and Format Doc)
are set for A4, you should be good. If not, hopefully others on the list
will have further ideas.

HTH,
Jim


 

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Not a dry seat in the house - the (A4) page was a tiny rectangle in the
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reported being displayed at 779% of actual size. Well, roll me over and
thrash me with a stick of limp celery.

I've checked every setting I can find and there's nothing obvious.
Anyone come across this before?

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