Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 9
Dear Framers, Sorry, the cartoon image (sumo wrestlers Framaker vs. Interleaf) that I had attached, did not go through. I will be happy to email it you if you send me an email. Thanks Tarlochan S. Nahal tnaha...@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:19 PM wrote: > Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com > To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You > can reach the person managing the list at > framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers > digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 (Tarlochan S. Nahal) >2. Re: cartoon (Craig Ede) >3. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Robert Lauriston) >4. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (jackdel...@comcast.net) >5. Re: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 (Peter Gold) >6. Please change subject line for digest posts and trim them > (Carol J. Elkins) >7. FrameMaker User Groups WAS: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue > 8 (Craig Ede) > > > ------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:32:49 -0700 > From: "Tarlochan S. Nahal" > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 > Message-ID: > 1wmvspqeqgb_sptk0e8...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My nostalgia goes further back! > > As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical > publishing tool called Interleaf. I really liked it and had a much better > graphic tool when FrameMaker was not even able to create a "dotted line," > but it practically disappeared by the mid-1990s. There might still be some > licenses floating around, especially with some defense contractors. > > FrameMaker was coming strong in the early 1990s and Interleaf was losing > steam fairly rapidly. Why? Well, Interleaf started to dilly-dally on > customer service and won't pick phone calls if anyone had any problems with > installation or usage. It was a great software, but it failed to keep up > with customer demands. Sometimes I feel the same way about FrameMaker > today. Why doesn't the installation link always work? Why do you have to > spend hours on the phone with customer service to get it going? Why don't > they have user group meetings in the local high tech companies once in a > month as they did in the 1990s? It was great way to get real customer > feedback from people who are the actual users and front-line warriors. They > almost mishandled DITA and abdicated their responsibility to XML DITA, etc. > As a result, Adobe lost a significant market share to other vendors. In > spite of all that I have been a loyal user of FrameMaker for decades. > > Anyway, I share with you a cartoon in the form of two sumo wrestlers that > I asked a friend of mine Bill Bergman to make for me in 1992. Please enjoy. > > > Regards, > > Tarlochan Nahal > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 2:19 PM > wrote: > > > Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You > > can reach the person managing the list at > > framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your > > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers > > digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) > >2. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > >3. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) > >4. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:33:46 -0400 > > From: Jerilynne Knight > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > > Message-ID: > > > kbdboca0atg-nc+x...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Oh wowser Mark...I forgot about the Gem environment! And I remember that > > DOS-based machine...had one of them! > > > > J > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:42 PM Mark Soiseth > > wrote: > > > > >
Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8
My nostalgia goes further back! As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical publishing tool called Interleaf. I really liked it and had a much better graphic tool when FrameMaker was not even able to create a "dotted line," but it practically disappeared by the mid-1990s. There might still be some licenses floating around, especially with some defense contractors. FrameMaker was coming strong in the early 1990s and Interleaf was losing steam fairly rapidly. Why? Well, Interleaf started to dilly-dally on customer service and won't pick phone calls if anyone had any problems with installation or usage. It was a great software, but it failed to keep up with customer demands. Sometimes I feel the same way about FrameMaker today. Why doesn't the installation link always work? Why do you have to spend hours on the phone with customer service to get it going? Why don't they have user group meetings in the local high tech companies once in a month as they did in the 1990s? It was great way to get real customer feedback from people who are the actual users and front-line warriors. They almost mishandled DITA and abdicated their responsibility to XML DITA, etc. As a result, Adobe lost a significant market share to other vendors. In spite of all that I have been a loyal user of FrameMaker for decades. Anyway, I share with you a cartoon in the form of two sumo wrestlers that I asked a friend of mine Bill Bergman to make for me in 1992. Please enjoy. Regards, Tarlochan Nahal On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 2:19 PM wrote: > Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com > To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You > can reach the person managing the list at > framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers > digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) >2. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) >3. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) >4. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:33:46 -0400 > From: Jerilynne Knight > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > Message-ID: > kbdboca0atg-nc+x...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Oh wowser Mark...I forgot about the Gem environment! And I remember that > DOS-based machine...had one of them! > > J > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:42 PM Mark Soiseth > wrote: > > > I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It > > allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, once I learned how > > to apply the rules, etc., I was amazed. And this was on DOS-based > machines > > with a 8086 chip and only 640 kb of RAM. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:01:22 -0500 > From: Peter Gold > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > Message-ID: > a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Corel's not the first company to have shot itself in the foot. Many of us > have first-have experience. Oooops, should that be "first-foot?" > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 1:41 PM Mark Soiseth wrote: > > > I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It > > allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, once I learned how > > to apply the rules, etc., I was amazed. And this was on DOS-based > machines > > with a 8086 chip and only 640 kb of RAM. > > > > But, yes, Corel did not do it justice. > > > > On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 05:05, Jerilynne Knight < > jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Bjorn...I didn't follow Ventura that far into present time, > although I > > > loved it when I learned it a Xerox. Once Corel took it over, I though I > > was > > > the only one who was both disappointed and disgusted with the poor job > > they > > > were doing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:00 PM Studio Smalbro > wrote: > > > > > > > I followed Ventura all the way from the early versions on floppy > disks > > > > to the latest Corel Version 10. > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative qu
Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 6
Depending on the size and nature of the document, I would go for option 1 or 2, but if it a lot of tables and bullets, then I think option 3 (mapping a Word document to FM) is a better choice, especially if table columns are properly mapped. Please keep in mind that conversion almost always requires some tweaking and rework, but it is much better than retyping long tables. Regards, Tarlochan S Nahal On Thursday, December 14, 2017, 1:03:44 PM PST, wrote: Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 (A Craig) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:16:18 -0800 From: "A Craig" To: "'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'" Subject: Re: [Framers] Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 Message-ID: <000f01d37518$677804a0$36680de0$@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I *always" go with option 2 as Word always has so much crud in the background. Maybe Frame is good at leaving that behind, but as a glass half empty kind of person, I'm not willing to take the chance. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer Sent: December 13, 2017 8:14 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Style mapping: Word to FrameMaker 2017 Not that I have come across--unless I'm missing something obvious. While I appreciate the new Word import feature (it has been in InDesign for some time), it works best if one is working with experienced Word users who know how to use styles properly. That is not always the case. The problem is when the Word file comes in with a bunch of unwanted styles (sometimes not even used in the document). Granted, one could import those styles and rename & reformat them or map them to existing styles, but that isn't how I like to work in many cases. A simple solution is for Adobe put back in an option to import as plain text (like the previous import dialog used to have). Option 1: a working "solution" is to open Word and copy the text. In FrameMaker, use the Paste Special menu and choose text. Option 2: save the Word file as text and import. Option 3: go with the flow and map the Word styles to Frame styles, but that works best if all writers use styles consistently. David Creamer IDEAS Training FrameMaker training since 1991 From: Pat Christenson <[1]pat.christen...@morningstar.com> If you're importing a Word document into FrameMaker 2017, is there a way to disable the feature that adds unmapped formats to the FrameMaker paragraph, character, and table catalogs? Thanks. Pat Christenson Senior Technical Writer, Client Education Morningstar, Inc. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ This daily digest is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- End of Framers Digest, Vol 141, Issue 6 *** ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
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Re: equation editor for FM 9.0
Dear Klaus Daube, Actually, the FrameMaker's equation editor is quite powerful, but one must have some patience and time to learn it. I used it extensively in the early 1990s when I was working with a digital image processing expert, former MIT Math professor and director of engineering at Sun. This was a 900-page manual related to ISO graphics standards. I certainly did not understand those 3-storey high Math equations, but I produced them exactly the way they were needed. I think the equation editor is little bit better now because it has better micropositioning and alignment functions. There were a couple of 'extremely rarely used' symbols that it did not have then and perhaps still does not have, but it is still a very powerful equation editor. You can call up the equation editor within Frame and starting working on simple equations using Operators and then start adding matrices and so on. Do not be intimidated by "?" marks. These marks simply mean that you need to enter the appropriate values. Click on the right side of the equation to add more values and mathematical elements. You can start work on a valid mathematical equation from a book or magazine and see if you can create it by entering those values. After entering simple equations, you can do more complex ones. Please keep in mind that equation editor has a mathematical engine below the surface that keeps track of various operations. So it is very different from entering simple text. Once you have done the basic learning, it is really not that difficult. Regards Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer Atheros Communications, Inc. Santa Clara, CA ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
equation editor for FM 9.0
? Dear Klaus Daube, Actually, the FrameMaker's equation editor is quite powerful, but one must have some patience and time to learn it. I used it extensively in the early 1990s when I was working with a digital image processing expert, former MIT Math professor and director of engineering at Sun.?This was?a 900-page manual related to ISO graphics standards. I certainly did not understand those 3-storey high Math equations, but I produced them?exactly the way they were needed. ? I think the equation editor is little bit better now because it has better micropositioning and alignment functions. There were a couple of 'extremely?rarely used' symbols that it did not have then and perhaps still does not have, but it is still a very powerful equation editor. ? You can call up the equation editor?within Frame and starting working on simple equations using Operators and then start?adding matrices and so on. Do not be intimidated by "?" marks. These marks simply mean that you need to enter the appropriate values. Click on the right side of the equation to add more values and mathematical elements.??You can start?work on a valid mathematical equation from a book or magazine and see if you can create it by entering those values.?After entering?simple equations, you can do more complex ones.? ? Please keep in mind that equation editor has a mathematical engine below the surface that keeps track of various operations.?So it is very different from entering simple text. Once you have done the basic learning, it is really not that difficult. ? Regards ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? Sr. Technical Writer Atheros Communications, Inc. Santa Clara, CA ? ?
Re: OLE objects don't work anymore
Dear Yves Barbion, Welcome to the club! The OLE objects stopped working for me and other writers in our group over five months ago (FM 7.2, on XP). Frame simply refused to take them anymore due to no fault of ours. Anytime I tried to do bring an OLE, a FrameMaker message showed up: "An internal error occurred while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved, but has lost some image." In reality the file was not saved at all and was NOT allowed to be saved it unless I got rid of the OLE object! Even double clicking on an existing OLE drawing in Frame would triigger Frame's allergies! This issue has been raised at least twice since then in this forum. The culprit seems to be a fix in SP3 Windows upgrade. By so doing, I am told, Microsoft fixed some sort of remote server bug! I hope they find a better way of fixing bugs! I talked to Adobe Tech Support few weeks ago and they told me that OLE is supported in FM 9, but not for 7.2 or so. How long will it continue to be supported? I do not know. Based on the advice from some Framers and my own experience, it is not a good idea to move OLE objects into Frame in the first place. The best way is to import them is by reference. This method works almost flawlessly. You can perhaps save the Excel file into pdf and then import it by reference. Of course, like any other imported graphic file, you have to repeat the process if the original file gets updated in Excel. Regards, Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer Atheros Communications, Inc. --- On Fri, 2/6/09, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote: From: framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 40, Issue 6 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 12:00 AM Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:04:16 +0100 From: Yves Barbion Subject: OLE objects don't work anymore To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <2d78e7070902050504m5b1cd5v68ce26e5b814d...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Frameusers I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 p158, Windows XP SP3 and Excel 2003 and 2007. I copy a couple of cells from an Excel sheet and past them as OLE objects in some of my FM documents. I do it this way for this type of documents because the tables contain formulas. I only have one or two of these objects in my FM docs, so file size isn't the issue here. This has always worked pretty well until some time ago. I now see the following behavior: when I paste the copied cells in my FM document as OLE object (Edit > Paste Special > Paste Link), I just get to see a very small empty anchored frame of 4 x 4 mm. When I paste the copied cells in FM8 and FM9, everything is okay. Has anyone had this experience with FM 7.2 too? Any ideas why these OLE objects stopped working at some point? Thanks in advance -- Yves ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OLE objects don't work anymore
Dear Yves Barbion, ? Welcome to the club! ? The OLE objects stopped working for me and other writers in our group over five months ago (FM 7.2, on XP). Frame simply refused to take them anymore due to no fault of ours. ? Anytime I tried to do bring an OLE, a FrameMaker message showed up: ? "An internal error occurred while writing imported graphics in this document. The file has been saved, but has lost some image." ? In reality the file was not saved at all and was NOT allowed to be?saved it?unless I?got rid of the OLE object! Even double clicking on an existing OLE?drawing in Frame would?triigger?Frame's allergies!?? ? This issue has been raised at least twice since then in this forum. The culprit seems to be a fix in SP3 Windows upgrade. By so doing, I am told,?Microsoft fixed some sort of remote server bug! I hope they find a better way of fixing bugs! ? I talked to Adobe Tech Support few weeks ago and they told me that OLE is supported in FM 9, but not for 7.2 or so. How long will it continue to be supported? I do not know. ? Based on the advice?from some Framers and my own experience, it is not a good idea to move OLE objects into Frame in the first place. The best way is to import them is by reference. This method works almost flawlessly.?You can perhaps save the Excel file into pdf and then import it by reference. Of course, like any other imported graphic file, you have to repeat the process if?the original file?gets updated in Excel. ? Regards, ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? Sr. Technical Writer Atheros Communications, Inc. --- On Fri, 2/6/09, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote: From: framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 40, Issue 6 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 12:00 AM Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:04:16 +0100 From: Yves Barbion Subject: OLE objects don't work anymore To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <2d78e7070902050504m5b1cd5v68ce26e5b814dc8f at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Frameusers I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 p158, Windows XP SP3 and Excel 2003 and 2007. I copy a couple of cells from an Excel sheet and past them as OLE objects in some of my FM documents. I do it this way for this type of documents because the tables contain formulas. I only have one or two of these objects in my FM docs, so file size isn't the issue here. This has always worked pretty well until some time ago. I now see the following behavior: when I paste the copied cells in my FM document as OLE object (Edit > Paste Special > Paste Link), I just get to see a very small empty anchored frame of 4 x 4 mm. When I paste the copied cells in FM8 and FM9, everything is okay. Has anyone had this experience with FM 7.2 too? Any ideas why these OLE objects stopped working at some point? Thanks in advance -- Yves
RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
Dear Kelly McDaniel, Thanks for sharing your experience. I am a believer in import-by-reference myself which has worked pretty reliably for me for many many years. I inherited some docs with many OLE diagrams and this method worked well for a while until this problem started to occur about five months ago. The situation is so ugly that simply double-clicking an existing OLE Visio drawing (and thus launching Visio) causes Frame to reject the drawing. You need to purge that drawing before you can save the FM doc. Now we know the limitations and will certainly give it a thought if we want to continue with this methodology. Best regards Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Kelly McDaniel wrote: From: Kelly McDaniel Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views To: "Art Campbell" , framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: tnaha...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:10 AM As a victim of OLE compatibility/stability, I also support the method described here. You will find far fewer encumbrances to production workflow by using the import-by-reference method...Kelly. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:50 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: tnaha...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views OLE support does seem to be improved in FM 9, but given the history of Microsoft support and the general high level of problems associated with it, I wouldn't ever consider using it in a production environment. (In passing, the reason SP3 "broke" OLE was because the fix plugged a hole that was supposed to allow remote execution on the host machine.) Generating a PDF or PNG from Visio is quick and importing it by reference in Frame is easy. If something changes in the graphic, you can export from Visio to the same file name and it'll all just continue to work. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > On the off-chance that you were not joking and on behalf of Adobe, > let me assure you that Adobe has no "built-in timer in FM itself" for > any purpose of forcing users to upgrade to "make money selling upgrades." > > The only so called "timers" in any Adobe products are associated with > controlling test releases and trial versions of our products. > > And NO, FrameMaker 9 does NOT officially support Visio. It supports OLE > and to the degree that a particular combination of Visio and Windows works > together to specification, Visio is "supported" in that manner. Personally, > given Microsoft's tepid support for OLE these days, I would more likely > recommend playing Russian Roulette than using OLE with FrameMaker or any > other application! > >- Dov > > > -----Original Message- > > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > > Tarlochan S. Nahal > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:41 PM > > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Combs, Richard > > Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views > > > > Dear Richard Combs, > > > > I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a message > realated to Visio sometime > > around late August 2008 on the framers list. There were some good > responses, but there was no real > > solution. The problem was triggered by XP SP3 upgrade that altered > something in the OS which caused FM > > to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort of > built-in timer in FM itself. > > (I guess Adobe makes money by selling upgrades!) > > > > Yes, we moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does have > the application > > overhead, but the output is better and making any changes is easier. Some > of our engineering drawings > > are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that format. > > > > Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio. I > will download the trial version > > and try it and see how it works. > > > > Again, thanks for sharing you experience. > > > > Best regards > > > > Tarlochan S. Nahal > > Sr. Technical Writer > > > > Atheros Communications, Inc. > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs, Richard wrote: >
FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
Dear Kelly McDaniel, ? Thanks for sharing your experience. ? I am a believer in import-by-reference?myself which has worked?pretty reliably for me for?many many years.?I inherited?some docs?with?many?OLE diagrams and this method worked well for a while until?this problem started to occur about five months ago. The situation is so?ugly that simply double-clicking an existing OLE Visio drawing (and thus launching Visio) causes Frame to reject the drawing. You need to purge that drawing before you can save the FM doc.?Now we know the limitations and will certainly give it a thought if we want to continue with this methodology. ? Best regards ? ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? Sr. Technical Writer --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Kelly McDaniel wrote: From: Kelly McDaniel Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views To: "Art Campbell" , framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:10 AM As a victim of OLE compatibility/stability, I also support the method described here. You will find far fewer encumbrances to production workflow by using the import-by-reference method...Kelly. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:50 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views OLE support does seem to be improved in FM 9, but given the history of Microsoft support and the general high level of problems associated with it, I wouldn't ever consider using it in a production environment. (In passing, the reason SP3 "broke" OLE was because the fix plugged a hole that was supposed to allow remote execution on the host machine.) Generating a PDF or PNG from Visio is quick and importing it by reference in Frame is easy. If something changes in the graphic, you can export from Visio to the same file name and it'll all just continue to work. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > On the off-chance that you were not joking and on behalf of Adobe, > let me assure you that Adobe has no "built-in timer in FM itself" for > any purpose of forcing users to upgrade to "make money selling upgrades." > > The only so called "timers" in any Adobe products are associated with > controlling test releases and trial versions of our products. > > And NO, FrameMaker 9 does NOT officially support Visio. It supports OLE > and to the degree that a particular combination of Visio and Windows works > together to specification, Visio is "supported" in that manner. Personally, > given Microsoft's tepid support for OLE these days, I would more likely > recommend playing Russian Roulette than using OLE with FrameMaker or any > other application! > >- Dov > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto: > framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > > Tarlochan S. Nahal > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 6:41 PM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Combs, Richard > > Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views > > > > Dear Richard Combs, > > > > I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a message > realated to Visio sometime > > around late August 2008 on the framers list. There were some good > responses, but there was no real > > solution. The problem was triggered by XP SP3 upgrade that altered > something in the OS which caused FM > > to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort of > built-in timer in FM itself. > > (I guess Adobe makes money by selling upgrades!) > > > > Yes, we moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does have > the application > > overhead, but the output is better and making any changes is easier. Some > of our engineering drawings > > are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that format. > > > > Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio. I > will download the trial version > > and try it and see how it works. > > > > Again, thanks for sharing you experience. > > > > Best regards > > > > Tarlochan S. Nahal > > Sr. Technical Writer > > > > Atheros Communications, Inc. > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs,
RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
Dear Richard Combs, I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a message realated to Visio sometime around late August 2008 on the framers list. There were some good responses, but there was no real solution. The problem was triggered by XP SP3 upgrade that altered something in the OS which caused FM to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort of built-in timer in FM itself. (I guess Adobe makes money by selling upgrades!) Yes, we moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does have the application overhead, but the output is better and making any changes is easier. Some of our engineering drawings are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that format. Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio. I will download the trial version and try it and see how it works. Again, thanks for sharing you experience. Best regards Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer Atheros Communications, Inc. --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs, Richard wrote: From: Combs, Richard Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views To: tnaha...@yahoo.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:50 PM Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote: > We are a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP platform. > Recently, it started to behave strangly and refused to import any Visio > drawings. There seems to be no known cure for it with the current setup. > Maybe it was automatic Windows SP upgrade that did the mischief. It > suddenly stopped accepting Visio drawings in their native format (.vsd). > The situation is so bad that even if we can import a Visio drawing, we are > not able to save the document until we purge that drawing! FM has _never_ been able to import native Visio files. You weren't previously importing _files_, you were importing OLE2 _objects_ (complete with all the Visio application overhead and potential instability). If you moved an FM file containing those OLE2 links onto a PC that didn't have Visio installed, the links would be broken, even if the Visio files were there. The links open Visio. IMHO, OLE linking and embedding was never a very good idea except for casual, occasional use. There was some discussion on this list a while ago about an XP upgrade that introduced the more serious problem you're seeing. Use Google to search the archives (by adding "site:lists.frameusers.com" after your search string) for posts about Visio import. I don't think upgrading to FM 9 will solve your problem. Unless it was added very late in the development cycle (I haven't used the released version), FM 9 doesn't have a Visio file import filter either. Assuming you have the full version of Acrobat, the best way to include Visio drawings is to make PDFs and import those into FM. Your archive search should turn up a post or three of mine discussing this. All that said, upgrading to FM 9 offers a number of other benefits. It supports Unicode (introduced in FM 8), which is a big deal if your docs need to be translated. It has a very slick, highly configurable new interface. It can import comments/edits from a review PDF and manage them through the Track Text Edits feature. Books are much more flexible in FM 9 -- they can be nested, contain folders, etc. And there's lots of new stuff relating to structure, all of which means nothing to me right now. :-) FM 9 can open older FM docs, but it can only save back to FM 8 (in binary form). You can save as a 7.2-compatible MIF file, however. Any older files you open, templates or not, are converted to FM 9 format when you save them. So by all means, upgrade. But you'll still need to change your workflow regarding Visio. PDF, I tell you! PDF! :-) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
Dear Richard Combs, ? I appreciate your detailed response. Actually, I had posted a message realated to Visio?sometime around late?August 2008 on the framers?list. There were?some good responses, but there was no real solution. The problem was triggered by XP?SP3 upgrade that?altered something in the OS which caused FM to become hostile to Visio, or perhaps it was triggered by some sort of built-in timer in FM itself. (I guess Adobe makes?money?by selling?upgrades!)? ? Yes, we?moved Visio files as OLE objects into FM. Naturally, it does have the application overhead,?but?the output is better and making any changes is easier. Some of our? engineering drawings are done in Visio and it makes it easier for us to stick to that format. ? Adobe Tech Support told me few days ago that FM9 does support Visio. I will download the trial version and try it and see how it works. ? Again, thanks for sharing you experience. ? Best regards ? Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer ? Atheros Communications, Inc. ? --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Combs, Richard wrote: From: Combs, Richard Subject: RE: FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views To: tnahal99 at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:50 PM Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote: > We are?a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP platform. > Recently, it started to behave strangly and refused to import any Visio > drawings. There seems to be no known cure for it with the current setup. > Maybe it was?automatic Windows?SP upgrade that did the mischief. It > suddenly stopped accepting Visio drawings in their native format (.vsd). > The situation is so bad that even if we can import a Visio drawing, we are > not able to save the document until we purge that drawing! FM has _never_ been able to import native Visio files. You weren't previously importing _files_, you were importing OLE2 _objects_ (complete with all the Visio application overhead and potential instability). If you moved an FM file containing those OLE2 links onto a PC that didn't have Visio installed, the links would be broken, even if the Visio files were there. The links open Visio. IMHO, OLE linking and embedding was never a very good idea except for casual, occasional use. There was some discussion on this list a while ago about an XP upgrade that introduced the more serious problem you're seeing. Use Google to search the archives (by adding "site:lists.frameusers.com" after your search string) for posts about Visio import. I don't think upgrading to FM 9 will solve your problem. Unless it was added very late in the development cycle (I haven't used the released version), FM 9 doesn't have a Visio file import filter either. Assuming you have the full version of Acrobat, the best way to include Visio drawings is to make PDFs and import those into FM. Your archive search should turn up a post or three of mine discussing this. All that said, upgrading to FM 9 offers a number of other benefits. It supports Unicode (introduced in FM 8), which is a big deal if your docs need to be translated. It has a very slick, highly configurable new interface. It can import comments/edits from a review PDF and manage them through the Track Text Edits feature. Books are much more flexible in FM 9 -- they can be nested, contain folders, etc. And there's lots of new stuff relating to structure, all of which means nothing to me right now. :-) FM 9 can open older FM docs, but it can only save back to FM 8 (in binary form). You can save as a 7.2-compatible MIF file, however. Any older files you open, templates or not, are converted to FM 9 format when you save them. So by all means, upgrade. But you'll still need to change your workflow regarding Visio. PDF, I tell you! PDF! :-) Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
Dear Frame Users, We are a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP platform. Recently, it started to behave strangly and refused to import any Visio drawings. There seems to be no known cure for it with the current setup. Maybe it was automatic Windows SP upgrade that did the mischief. It suddenly stopped accepting Visio drawings in their native format (.vsd). The situation is so bad that even if we can import a Visio drawing, we are not able to save the document until we purge that drawing! I called Adobe Tech Support few times and finally learned from them that they do not support Visio on FM 7.2 anymore! Of course, we can import jpeg, pdf, tiff, etc. So we are contemplating on upgrading to FM 9. I would appreciate if some of you could answer some of my questions. 1. Is it backward compatible with older versions? If so, how far back does it go? For example, can it open FM 6 docs and Save As FM6 or FM7 docs? 2. We use FM 7.x templates. Would there be any compatibility issues? 3. What are the primary new features of FM9 and what is your overall experience with it? I will appreciate any feedback. Regards Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM 9 Upgrade - Please share your views
? Dear Frame Users, ? We are?a small Tech Pubs group using FM 7.2 on Windows XP platform. Recently, it started to behave strangly and refused to import any Visio drawings. There seems to be no known cure for it with the current setup. Maybe it was?automatic Windows?SP upgrade that did the mischief. It suddenly stopped accepting Visio drawings in their native format (.vsd). The situation is so bad that even if we can import a Visio drawing, we are not able to save the document until we purge that drawing! ? I called Adobe Tech Support few times and finally learned from them that they do not support Visio on FM 7.2 anymore!? Of course, we can import jpeg, pdf, tiff, etc. So we are contemplating on upgrading to FM 9. ? I would appreciate if some of you could answer some of my questions. ? 1. Is it backward compatible with older versions? If so, how far back does it go? For example, can it open FM 6 docs and Save As FM6 or FM7 docs? ? 2. We use FM 7.x templates. Would?there be?any?compatibility issues? ? 3. What are the primary new features of FM9 and what is your overall experience with it? ? I will appreciate any feedback. ? Regards ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? Sr. Technical Writer ?
Re: Framers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 22
Dear Framers, As Rob has mentioned, footnote is a chronic problem with FrameMaker that has never been addressed by its maker. I found that out 10 years ago when I was writing my thesis. I know this problem goes at least as far back as 1990. Writers were simply advised not to use footnotes by various Tech Pubs groups because this feature did not work! I had a problem with footnote not only appearing on the wrong page, but also with footnote number appearing it in a foreign font if the footnote appeared right after the quote that used a non-English font. I tried various methods such as creating more space in the footnote area and adding micro spaces before and after the footnote and changing the font to normal Roman font. It did not help. Considering the nature of the project and the problem at hand, I had to abandon this tool and switch to other tool for the thesis because of this problem. While adding an extra space for footnotes helps, it is not a foolproof method either. You might still see some footnote text shifting randomly to the next page while the footnote actually apears on the previous page. This is not a pleasant situation especially if you are working on an academic project. I am hoping Frame would pay attention to this problem. Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer --- On Sat, 11/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 22 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 12:00 AM Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Shell, Robert) 2. Re: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Rick Quatro) 3. RE: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Combs, Richard) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:54:33 +0200 From: "Shell, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 To: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi: My rig is FM 7.2 b144 running on Vista Business. I do scholarly publishing. Footnotes on the bottom of the page in FM is an issue that I have raised both within this list and with Adobe (no reply from the latter). I do not believe it is a train smash to have a single footnote on the following page after the footnote call (the number in the text). One still finds these in great published works. I have learned to live with this limitation since correction is very awkward and frustrating. Especially if you are editing the text until publication time. Nevertheless one cannot but hope Adobe will fix it. These are my workarounds go to the Format menu then to document then to footnote properties In the footnote properties box, max out what Adobe confusingly calls the "column" length, but what is really the footnote length. This seems to gives FM an extra little room beyond the Adobe default. No silver bullet but every little bit helps... Use the default "footnote" para format name in that same box. That seems to trigger the footnote separator line (see below) more regularly than if you used something else. Maybe this is just superstition. Of course you can then change the footnote format to whatever you want in the designer. Brutal and obvious ways. 1. Have fewer footnotes 2. Have shorter footnotes, Use the Chicago short title system, e.g. Smith, Using Footnotes, 139. 4. Inform your authors that long substantive footnotes are not fashionable, and that any footnote text should be elevated to the body (if it is worth anything). Keep footnotes strictly for citations. With shorter footnotes, FM will cope much better. Four lines or longer and FM starts acting up. My authors are just so delighted to have footnotes on the bottom of the page that they comply. University publishers steer clear of footnotes in favour of the horrible low class endnote. Full text footnote justification seems to add to the page logic burden of FM so I avoid it. My footnote font is always two points smaller than the main text. This helps too.Go down to six points to see if there is an improvement and then work your way up. I know of no other program which does such an excellent job of juggling all the page logic variables as FM does. I use graphs and pics and strapheads. Try to do this in any other program and you will see
Framers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 22
Dear Framers, ? As Rob has mentioned, footnote is a chronic problem with FrameMaker that has never been addressed by its maker. I found that out 10 years ago when I was writing my thesis. I know this problem goes at least?as far back as 1990. Writers were simply advised not to use footnotes by various Tech Pubs groups because this feature?did not work! ? I had a problem with footnote not only appearing on the wrong page, but also with footnote number?appearing it in a foreign?font if the footnote appeared right after the quote that used a non-English font. I tried various?methods such as creating more space in the footnote area and adding?micro spaces before and?after the footnote and changing the font to normal Roman font. It did not help. Considering the nature of the project and the problem at hand, I had to abandon this tool and switch to other tool for the thesis because of this problem. ? While adding an extra space for footnotes helps, it is not a foolproof method either. You might still see some footnote text shifting?randomly?to the next page?while the footnote actually apears on the previous page. This is?not a pleasant?situation especially?if you are working on an academic project. I am hoping Frame would pay attention to this problem. ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? Sr. Technical Writer ? ? ? ? --- On Sat, 11/22/08, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote: From: framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 37, Issue 22 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 12:00 AM Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Shell, Robert) 2. Re: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Rick Quatro) 3. RE: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 (Combs, Richard) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:54:33 +0200 From: "Shell, Robert" Subject: Footnote issues in FM 7.2 To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi: My rig is FM 7.2 b144 running on Vista Business. I do scholarly publishing. Footnotes on the bottom of the page in FM is an issue that I have raised both within this list and with Adobe (no reply from the latter). I do not believe it is a train smash to have a single footnote on the following page after the footnote call (the number in the text). One still finds these in great published works. I have learned to live with this limitation since correction is very awkward and frustrating. Especially if you are editing the text until publication time. Nevertheless one cannot but hope Adobe will fix it. These are my workarounds go to the Format menu then to document then to footnote properties In the footnote properties box, max out what Adobe confusingly calls the "column" length, but what is really the footnote length. This seems to gives FM an extra little room beyond the Adobe default. No silver bullet but every little bit helps... Use the default "footnote" para format name in that same box. That seems to trigger the footnote separator line (see below) more regularly than if you used something else. Maybe this is just superstition. Of course you can then change the footnote format to whatever you want in the designer. Brutal and obvious ways. 1. Have fewer footnotes 2. Have shorter footnotes, Use the Chicago short title system, e.g. Smith, Using Footnotes, 139. 4. Inform your authors that long substantive footnotes are not fashionable, and that any footnote text should be elevated to the body (if it is worth anything). Keep footnotes strictly for citations. With shorter footnotes, FM will cope much better. Four lines or longer and FM starts acting up. My authors are just so delighted to have footnotes on the bottom of the page that they comply. University publishers steer clear of footnotes in favour of the horrible low class endnote. Full text footnote justification seems to add to the page logic burden of FM so I avoid it. My footnote font is always two points smaller than the main text. This helps too.Go down to six points to see if there is an improvement and then work your way up. I know of no other program which does such an excellent job of juggling all the page logic variables as FM does. I use graphs and pics and strapheads. Try to do this in any other program and you will see how slip
Re: Regarding Internal Message - Importing Visio Drawing
Dear Framers, I have taken the liberty to modify the subject line slighly. I encountered the same problem over four weeks ago and posted a message about it. My original message is attached. My problem started suddenly due to no fault of mine when I wanted to edit already imported drawing or import a new Visio drawing into Frame. I know another writer in my company has the same problem. I have not found any solution to it. Adobe has not been of any help at all. Their Tech Support simply is not of much help these days. They put you on hold or keep you bouncing back and forth to other departments. Dov Isaacs was kind enough to try to help me. He told me that the problem could possibly be with the Window XP Service Pack 3 OLE subsystem. The problem is not many of us can get into Windows and examine the OLE subsystem. Most IT departments would not even peep into OLE or any individual Windows components. They are always willing to reinstall windows by wiping out everything that you have on your system disk. I talked to my IT department. They suggested that first I reinstall my FM 7.2 and Visio and if that does not fix the problem, reimage the system. Obviously, I am not in favor of the second choice and reinstalling the software did not spell any relief. I hope Adoble is listening and offers some real solutions to this very ugly problem that so many of us are facing. The problem is so severe that you are unable to save your document unless you delete the drawing!!! This is a cruel joke on Frame users. I do not know what is causing this problem (Windows XP, Visio, or Frame), but it is the responsibility of Adobe to investigate the issue and publish the solution and not leave the user on tinterhooks. Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer = From: Tarlochan S. Nahal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Problem Importing Visio 2007 Drawing into Frame 7.2 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: "Tarlochan S Nahal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:22 PM Dear Framers, I am having difficulty saving a Frame 7.2 (unstructured) document after importing a Visio 2007 drawing into Frame. If I get rid of the drawing and use .jpg or some other graphic format, the problem goes away, but I want to be a able to import the original Visio drawing in .vsd format and be able to edit by double-clicking on it and update the source file at the same time by using the link feature. (It does not work even without linking). I have been doing it for a long time, but I have never seen this problem before. I am using Import > Object > Create from File and then use the browse button to get the file. The file gets imported, but it cannot be saved. Any other changes to the documents after importing it cannot be saved either. Here is the error message: "An internal error occurred while writing importing graphic in this document. The file has been saved, but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical Support." The file simply cannot be saved as long as the subject Visio drawing is in the document. It. You have to delete the imported file or choose "No" to "Save" before you can close the document. I have renamed the Frame as well as Visio file. It makes no difference. Can someone tell me what is causing it and how to solve it? Any help in that matter would be greatly appreciated. Regards Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer From: Tarlochan S. Nahal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:39 PM To: Dov Isaacs Cc: Tarlochan S Nahal Subject: RE: Problem Importing Visio 2007 Drawing into Frame 7.2 Dear Dov Isaacs, Thanks for your quick response and tips. I am using Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3, FM 7.2, Vision 7. I assume if I obtain FM8, this problem would not occur. The major automatic update was installed about two weeks ago when about 7 or so patches were installed. It gets updated almost every week. I am not sure when the SP3 was installed. I tried to import a pdf created from Visio and tried to link that object. The result is the same - I cannot save the document until I purge the drawing. Is there a way to import a pdf into FM and link it to the source file so that any changes made to original Visio drawing can be pulled into FM automatically without creating another pdf? Or do I have to create a new pdf file every time I make a change to the source file? Regards Tarlochan S. Nahal --- On Fri, 10/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 36, Issue 3 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 12:00 AM Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com
Regarding Internal Message - Importing Visio Drawing
? Dear Framers, ? I have taken the liberty?to modify the subject line slighly. ? I encountered the same problem over?four weeks ago and posted a message about it. My original message is attached. ? My problem started suddenly due to no fault of mine when?I wanted to edit already imported drawing or import a new Visio drawing into Frame. I know another writer in my company has the same problem. ? I have not found any solution?to it. Adobe has not been of any help at all. Their Tech Support simply is not of much help these days. They put you on hold or keep you bouncing back and forth to other departments. ? Dov Isaacs was kind enough to?try to help me. He told me that the problem could possibly be with the Window XP Service Pack?3?OLE subsystem. The problem is?not?many of us can get into Windows and examine the OLE subsystem.?Most IT departments would not even?peep into OLE or any individual Windows?components. They are always willing to reinstall windows by wiping out everything that you have on your system disk. ? I talked to my IT department. They suggested that?first I reinstall my FM 7.2 and Visio and if that does?not fix the problem,?reimage the system. Obviously, I am not in?favor of the second choice and reinstalling?the software did not spell any relief. ? I hope Adoble?is listening and offers some real solutions to this very ugly?problem that so many of us are facing. The problem is so severe that you are unable to save your document unless you delete the drawing!!! This is a cruel joke on Frame users. ? I do not know what is causing this problem (Windows XP, Visio, or Frame), but it is the responsibility of Adobe to investigate the issue and publish the solution and not leave the user on tinterhooks. ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? Sr. Technical Writer ? = ? From: Tarlochan S. Nahal Subject: Problem Importing Visio 2007 Drawing into Frame 7.2 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: "Tarlochan S Nahal" Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:22 PM Dear Framers, ? I am having difficulty saving a Frame 7.2 (unstructured) document after importing a Visio 2007 drawing into Frame. ? If I get rid of the drawing and use .jpg or some?other graphic format, the problem goes away, but I want to be a able to import the original Visio drawing in .vsd format and be able to edit by double-clicking on it and update the source file at the same time by using the link feature. (It does not work even without linking). I have been doing it for a long time, but I have never seen this problem before. ? I am using Import > Object > Create from File? and then use the browse button to get the file.? ? The file gets imported, but it cannot be saved. Any other changes to the documents after importing it cannot be saved either. ? Here is the error message: ? "An internal error occurred while writing importing graphic in this document. The file has been saved, but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical Support." ? The file simply cannot be saved as long as the?subject Visio drawing is in the document. It. You have to delete the imported file or choose "No" to "Save" before you can close the document. ? I have renamed the Frame as well as Visio file. It makes no difference. ? Can someone tell me what is causing it and how?to solve it? Any help in that matter would be greatly appreciated. ? Regards ? Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer ? ? ? ? ? ? ? From: Tarlochan S. Nahal [mailto:tnaha...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:39 PM To: Dov Isaacs Cc: Tarlochan S Nahal Subject: RE: Problem Importing Visio 2007 Drawing into Frame 7.2 ? Dear Dov Isaacs, ? Thanks for your quick response and tips. ? I am using Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 3, FM 7.2, Vision 7. ? I assume if I?obtain FM8, this problem would not occur. ? The major automatic update was installed about two weeks ago when about 7 or so patches were installed. It gets updated almost every week. I am not sure when the SP3 was installed. ? I tried to import a pdf created from Visio and tried to link that object. The result is the same - I?cannot save the?document until I?purge the?drawing.? ? Is there a way?to import a pdf into FM and link it to?the source file so that any changes made to original Visio drawing can be pulled into FM automatically without creating another pdf? Or do I have to create a new pdf file every time I make a change to the source file? Regards ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? --- On Fri, 10/3/08, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote: From: framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 36, Issue 3 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 12:00 AM Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, vis
Re: FM7 and OLE
Thanks for the Frame.ini file tip. It works fine as far as cut and paste goes into Frame from other text sources such as Word. It is certainly better than "Special Paste" which we tend to forget at times and end up introducing a 'persona non grata' font. Importing or pasting a Visio 7 drawing into Frame 7.2 is still a problem for which I found no viable solution. I certainly have not tried removing SP3 simply because I do not know how it will affect my system. Frame is simply refusing to save any changes even if you simply double-clicked on a Visio drawing, got into the editing mode, but did not make any changes at all. For some reason Frame thinks you have made some changes to the Visio drawing which is not true. Regards Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer --- On Thu, 9/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FM7 and OLE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], framers@lists.frameusers.com, "Cal Callahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:51 AM This is a default behavior in FrameMaker, and one that many users detest. Fortunately, the programmers made it a behavior that can be customized. Open the Maker.ini file in your FrameMaker directory. Search for the string ClipboardFormatsPriorities The list of formats behind this property dictate the preference of pasting a clipboard item. Change the property to read as follows: ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF This will make your past from the clipboard use plain text first, then default to the other formats in the order listed. This will enable you to paste plain ASCII text directly from a copy paste operation. Scott At 7:42 PM -0700 9/3/08, David Spreadbury wrote: >We had the same problem, pasted text from Word going into an >anchored frame, until we noticed the 'other' right-click paste >option "Paste Special." > >This option presents a new menu of what the Special represents. >Select Text and it should work. > >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Cal Callahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: Cal Callahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: FM7 and OLE >To: framers@lists.frameusers.com >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:06 PM > >The problem is with MS OLE. You MIGHT work around it by removing SP3, >although this didn't work for me. (That was the only suggested solution I >found in an extensive search of the web.) > >My problem, however, was a little different. After importing a Visio file, >all attempts to copy & paste text from a Word doc into Frame resulted in >the >text coming in an anchored frame. I got around it by running the text >through OpenOfficeWriter first. > >I had no problems with Frame 8. > >I would very interested in hearing how anyone else resolved this problem. > >cal ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM7 and OLE
Thanks for the Frame.ini file tip. It works fine as far as cut and paste goes into Frame from other text sources such as Word. It is certainly better than "Special Paste" which we tend to forget?at times?and end up introducing a 'persona non grata' font. ? Importing or pasting a Visio 7?drawing into Frame 7.2 is still a problem for which I found no viable solution. I certainly have not tried removing SP3 simply because I do not know how it will affect my system. ? Frame is simply refusing to save any changes even if you simply double-clicked on a Visio drawing, got into the editing mode, but?did not?make any changes at all. For some reason Frame thinks you have made some changes to the Visio drawing which is not true. ? ? Regards ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? Sr. Technical Writer --- On Thu, 9/4/08, quills at airmail.net wrote: From: quills at airmail.net Subject: Re: FM7 and OLE To: dspreadb at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com, "Cal Callahan" Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 6:51 AM This is a default behavior in FrameMaker, and one that many users detest. Fortunately, the programmers made it a behavior that can be customized. Open the Maker.ini file in your FrameMaker directory. Search for the string ClipboardFormatsPriorities The list of formats behind this property dictate the preference of pasting a clipboard item. Change the property to read as follows: ClipboardFormatsPriorities=TEXT, FILE, OLE 2, EMF, META, DIB, BMP, MIF, RTF This will make your past from the clipboard use plain text first, then default to the other formats in the order listed. This will enable you to paste plain ASCII text directly from a copy paste operation. Scott At 7:42 PM -0700 9/3/08, David Spreadbury wrote: >We had the same problem, pasted text from Word going into an >anchored frame, until we noticed the 'other' right-click paste >option "Paste Special." > >This option presents a new menu of what the Special represents. >Select Text and it should work. > >--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Cal Callahan wrote: > >From: Cal Callahan >Subject: FM7 and OLE >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Cc: tnahal99 at yahoo.com >Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:06 PM > >The problem is with MS OLE. You MIGHT work around it by removing SP3, >although this didn't work for me. (That was the only suggested solution I >found in an extensive search of the web.) > >My problem, however, was a little different. After importing a Visio file, >all attempts to copy & paste text from a Word doc into Frame resulted in >the >text coming in an anchored frame. I got around it by running the text >through OpenOfficeWriter first. > >I had no problems with Frame 8. > >I would very interested in hearing how anyone else resolved this problem. > >cal
Problem Importing Visio 2007 Drawing into Frame 7.2
Dear Framers, I am having difficulty saving a Frame 7.2 (unstructured) document after importing a Visio 2007 drawing into Frame. If I get rid of the drawing and use .jpg or some other graphic format, the problem goes away, but I want to be a able to import the original Visio drawing in .vsd format and be able to edit by double-clicking on it and update the source file at the same time by using the link feature. (It does not work even without linking). I have been doing it for a long time, but I have never seen this problem before. I am using Import > Object > Create from File and then use the browse button to get the file. The file gets imported, but it cannot be saved. Any other changes to the documents after importing it cannot be saved either. Here is the error message: "An internal error occurred while writing importing graphic in this document. The file has been saved, but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical Support." The file simply cannot be saved as long as the subject Visio drawing is in the document. It. You have to delete the imported file or choose "No" to "Save" before you can close the document. I have renamed the Frame as well as Visio file. It makes no difference. Can someone tell me what is causing it and how to solve it? Any help in that matter would be greatly appreciated. Regards Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Problem Importing Visio 2007 Drawing into Frame 7.2
Dear Framers, ? I am having difficulty saving a Frame 7.2 (unstructured) document after importing a Visio 2007 drawing into Frame. ? If I get rid of the drawing and use .jpg or some?other graphic format, the problem goes away, but I want to be a able to import the original Visio drawing in .vsd format and be able to edit by double-clicking on it and update the source file at the same time by using the link feature. (It does not work even without linking). I have been doing it for a long time, but I have never seen this problem before. ? I am using Import > Object > Create from File? and then use the browse button to get the file.? ? The file gets imported, but it cannot be saved. Any other changes to the documents after importing it cannot be saved either. ? Here is the error message: ? "An internal error occurred while writing importing graphic in this document. The file has been saved, but has lost some image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical Support." ? The file simply cannot be saved as long as the?subject Visio drawing is in the document. It. You have to delete the imported file or choose "No" to "Save" before you can close the document. ? I have renamed the Frame as well as Visio file. It makes no difference. ? Can someone tell me what is causing it and how?to solve it? Any help in that matter would be greatly appreciated. ? Regards ? Tarlochan S. Nahal Sr. Technical Writer ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Re: Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29
Try LaserBengali font from Linguist's Software. I have personally not used the Bengali font, but I have used their Gurmukhi (for tyesetting Punjabi) and some other fonts with diacritical marks. It works pretty well. The support fonts for over 365 languages for Mac and Windows. Linguist's Software P.O. Box 580 Edmonds, WA 98020-0580 http://www.linguistsoftware.com/ Ph (206) 775-1130 Regards Tarlochan S. Nahal --- On Mon, 6/30/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 12:00 AM Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. BENGALI (Michael Zaichenko) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:04:43 +0200 From: Michael Zaichenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: BENGALI To: FrameUsers Users Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi there, Thought I should ask. Does anyone have a good way of typesetting Bengali language. I tried FM8 (with its glorified unicode support) and I'm thoroughly disappointed. It does import RTF files alright but messes them quite badly by adding additional spaces and characters. Bengali is double byte and I guess that's where the problem lies. InDesign messes the files just as bad by swapping some characters and "decomposing" the double bytes into single characters. Any idea is welcome. That's been a misery to me in the last weeks. Michael _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29 *** ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29
Try LaserBengali font from Linguist's Software. I have personally not used the Bengali font, but I have used their Gurmukhi (for tyesetting Punjabi) and some other fonts with diacritical marks. It works pretty well. The support fonts for over 365 languages for Mac and Windows. ? Linguist's Software P.O. Box 580 Edmonds, WA 98020-0580 ? http://www.linguistsoftware.com/ ? Ph (206) 775-1130 ? Regards ? Tarlochan S. Nahal ? --- On Mon, 6/30/08, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote: From: framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 12:00 AM Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. BENGALI (Michael Zaichenko) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:04:43 +0200 From: Michael Zaichenko Subject: BENGALI To: FrameUsers Users Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi there, Thought I should ask. Does anyone have a good way of typesetting Bengali language. I tried FM8 (with its glorified unicode support) and I'm thoroughly disappointed. It does import RTF files alright but messes them quite badly by adding additional spaces and characters. Bengali is double byte and I guess that's where the problem lies. InDesign messes the files just as bad by swapping some characters and "decomposing" the double bytes into single characters. Any idea is welcome. That's been a misery to me in the last weeks. Michael _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29 ***
Frame Cross-Ref source jumps to top of page in PDF created using Actrobat
Hi Framers! This is my first message to a Frame users group after a long absence. Maybe you have dealt with this problem before. I am using FM 7.2. I created a pdf file using the Adobe Acrobat 8 Professional. When I click on the figure cross-reference, it takes me to the source of the cross reference (Figure title) which hangs on the top of the page, showing only the figure title. The figure stays hidden. I need to scroll up to see the figure. In my Frame document, the figure title is never on top of the page; it is always below the frame. Can someone share with me what might be causing this problem and how to avoid this? Thanks, Tarlochan S. Nahal ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame Cross-Ref source jumps to top of page in PDF created using Actrobat
Hi Framers! This is my first message to a Frame users group after a long absence. Maybe you have dealt with this problem before. I am using FM 7.2. I created a pdf file using the Adobe Acrobat 8 Professional. When I click on the figure cross-reference, it takes me to the source of the cross reference (Figure title) which hangs on the top of the page, showing only the figure title. The figure stays hidden. I need to scroll up to see the figure. In my Frame document, the figure title is never on top of the page; it is always below the frame. Can someone share with me what might be causing this problem and how to avoid this? Thanks, Tarlochan S. Nahal
