RE: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
IIRC, FM 5.1 was released a scant few days before or after the acquisition. In fact, sample documents that still ship with FM9 (Report.fm) still say Terramed enters 1995, which is how I remember the year of acquisition. /end useless FM trivia -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training m...@grafixtraining.com www.grafixtraining.com office 714 960-6840 cell txt 714 585-2335 sms message skype: mattrsullivan twitter: mattrsullivan linkedin facebook -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:22 PM To: Art Campbell; a...@alphabyte.co.nz Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jim Duszynski Subject: RE: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? Art Campbell wrote: Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. I think 5.6 was a FT remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. Adobe acquired Frame Technology about 1994-5, around the time that FM 5.0 (the last FT-developed version) was released. FM 5.5.6 came out about 1998, 3 or 4 releases later. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as m...@grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
IIRC, FM 5.1 was released a scant few days before or after the acquisition. In fact, sample documents that still ship with FM9 (Report.fm) still say "Terramed enters 1995", which is how I remember the year of acquisition. -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training matt at grafixtraining.com www.grafixtraining.com office 714 960-6840 cell & txt 714 585-2335 sms message skype: mattrsullivan twitter: mattrsullivan linkedin facebook -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:22 PM To: Art Campbell; alan at alphabyte.co.nz Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jim Duszynski Subject: RE: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? Art Campbell wrote: > Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close > to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. I think 5.6 was a FT > remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. Adobe acquired Frame Technology about 1994-5, around the time that FM 5.0 (the last FT-developed version) was released. FM 5.5.6 came out about 1998, 3 or 4 releases later. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as matt at grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
I agree with your chronology of official releases, but I'm also remembering a preview or proof of concept or something similar that (*I think* -- I didn't record it in my diary) surfaced in the 94-95 time frame. I got a look at it because I was free-lancing for UNIX World magazine at the time and I'd done a FrameMaker review (on the Sun 3/60) for them even earlier. If I'm remembering correctly, it was intended for X Windows to try to move away from OS-specific releases. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com wrote: Art Campbell wrote: Yup, that was the official release, but there were betas and escaped releases way before then. Frame Tech was more of a UNIX house and the UNIXLinus porting work was largely done there; Adobe never did much with any workstation products There was no official Linux release, the 5.5.6 version _was_ the beta. Here's a LinuxWorld post about the end of beta testing and the decision not to release a final product: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-11-28-002-20-NW-SW You're right about FT being more UNIX-oriented -- that's where FM began. (I first saw FM on Sun 3/60s about '88 or '89. I thought it had promise, but wasn't ready to replace the Interleaf software we were using.) At one time, it ran under SunOS, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, IRIX, and who knows what other flavors. So if by escaped, you mean someone (in or out of FT/Adobe) hacked a way to run one of those UNIX versions on Linux, I suppose it's possible... I only know about the 5.5.6 beta. Sorry to be so argumentative and picky. I've been doing tedious gruntwork for hours, due to the complete revamping of a product's menu structure, and it's made me cranky. Plus, I never lie and I'm always right. ;-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
I agree with your chronology of official releases, but I'm also remembering a preview or proof of concept or something similar that (*I think* -- I didn't record it in my diary) surfaced in the 94-95 time frame. I got a look at it because I was free-lancing for UNIX World magazine at the time and I'd done a FrameMaker review (on the Sun 3/60) for them even earlier. If I'm remembering correctly, it was intended for X Windows to try to move away from OS-specific releases. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Art Campbell wrote: > >> Yup, that was the official release, but there were betas and "escaped" >> releases way before then. ?Frame Tech was more of a UNIX house and the >> UNIX>Linus porting work was largely done there; Adobe never did much >> with any workstation products > > There was no official Linux release, the 5.5.6 version _was_ the beta. > Here's a LinuxWorld post about the end of beta testing and the decision > not to release a final product: > > http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-11-28-002-20-NW-SW > > You're right about FT being more UNIX-oriented -- that's where FM began. > (I first saw FM on Sun 3/60s about '88 or '89. I thought it had promise, > but wasn't ready to replace the Interleaf software we were using.) > > At one time, it ran under SunOS, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, IRIX, and who > knows what other flavors. So if by "escaped," you mean someone (in or > out of FT/Adobe) hacked a way to run one of those UNIX versions on > Linux, I suppose it's possible... I only know about the 5.5.6 beta. > > Sorry to be so argumentative and picky. I've been doing tedious > gruntwork for hours, due to the complete revamping of a product's menu > structure, and it's made me cranky. > > Plus, I never lie and I'm always right. ;-) > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > >
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > > I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) There was one. V5.2(?). I still have a binary for it. It ran very well under X and I used it with Windowmaker as well as Gnome. It was quite good but Adobe decided against proceeding down that route because there did not appear to be enough money in it for them. Alan -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Oops, no that was 5.5.6 :} It ran on Redhat. Alan Alan Litchfield wrote: > > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > >> >> I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) > > There was one. V5.2(?). I still have a binary for it. It ran very well under X > and I used it with Windowmaker as well as Gnome. > > It was quite good but Adobe decided against proceeding down that route because > there did not appear to be enough money in it for them. > > Alan > > > -- > Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS > AlphaByte > PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as alan at alphabyte.co.nz. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
OK. I thought Adobe already owned it by then. But my memory is a bit out today (obviously need more coffee). Alan Art Campbell wrote: > Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close > to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. I think 5.6 was a FT > remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. > > Art Campbell >art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. >DoD 358 > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Alan Litchfield > wrote: >> Oops, no that was 5.5.6 :} >> >> It ran on Redhat. >> >> Alan >> >> Alan Litchfield wrote: >>> >>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: >>> I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) >>> >>> There was one. V5.2(?). I still have a binary for it. It ran very well >>> under X >>> and I used it with Windowmaker as well as Gnome. >>> >>> It was quite good but Adobe decided against proceeding down that route >>> because >>> there did not appear to be enough money in it for them. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS >>> AlphaByte >>> PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand >>> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> You are currently subscribed to Framers as alan at alphabyte.co.nz. >>> >>> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>> or visit >>> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz >>> >>> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >>> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS >> AlphaByte >> PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand >> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz >> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> > -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Multiple undo is already included in 7.2, bu 7.2 does not accept unicode, which is almost a must for other languages than English, German or French (and maybe a couple of other langages). Better Dita support and a few other things. Other than the language thing, I too find it hard to justify the cost to the management. And as we are writing in English only... As for the other question, some people are using FM 6 today, so FM 7.2 should not be a problem as such in the next few years. I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) Brgds, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland 2009/9/30 Flato, Gillian gfl...@nanometrics.com: Multiple undos, track changes. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.545.6316 7 408.232.5911 * gfl...@nanometrics.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jim Duszynski Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:30 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the c0st to my management. Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? Thanks! Jim Duszynski ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gfl...@nanometrics.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bod...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Life is not only a game--it is also a dance on roses. --Fleksnes (Rolv Wesenlund) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
I think it's worth upgrading before falling off the upgrade path. *If* in the next version you can only upgrade from 8.0, then you are stuck using the old version forever unless you want to buy a new version, which is much more expensive than the upgrade. So every few versions I think it's worth an upgrade. By the way, I do find it easier to work with 9.0 than with 7.2. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer Jim Duszynski wrote: Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the c0st to my management. Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? Thanks! Jim Duszynski ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
I haven't got as far as FM9, but the upgrade from FM7.2 to FM8 was well worth it for me because of its support of Boolean operators in condition expressions. I use conditions a lot and this feature (in conjunction with FrameScript - the standalone Boolean condition functionality in FM8 isn't useful enough on its own) simplified my workflow greatly, more than justifying the upgrade cost. (Plus I happened to coincide with the TCS1 release so upgrading to the suite was a bonus). I haven't yet felt the need to upgrade further, though. Alexandra Wilowska -Original Message- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:29:32 -0600 From: Jim Duszynski jimduszyn...@skylineproducts.com Subject: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: 0a40f4cef76cb346bf24279809054c301ac89...@spiexc01.spi.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the c0st to my management. Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? Thanks! Jim Duszynski ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
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Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Rather than relist what's already been mentioned, I think 9 is more stable than 7, noticably so in book operations. On my system, I think it may even be a little quicker. I also like the ability to spread the interface over two monitors, although I dislike the need to do so. A big plus is the integration with other programs, particularly Acrobat for comment and edit management. But I use the other components of the TCS2 suite too. Because I elected to skip Vista and XP pales in comparison to W7, if I were you I'd also be concerned with having an orphan product that isn't designed for modern OSs. I think most corporate environments will move to 7 pretty quickly. And although I'm sure 7 would run... I don't think it would run as well as 9 under W7 and there's a decent chance that other programs won't interoperate as well as they should. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Milton, Cynthia cynthia.mil...@serco.com wrote: Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Amongst other things, the Apply Master Pages thingy is great when you have a mixture of portrait and landscape pages - makes it simple to ensure they all stay the right way round. Saved me shedloads of hassle. Other stuff: spreading it across multiple screens, quicker access to frequently-used formatting thingies, stickiness in dialogs like x-refs, and all sorts of things which reduce the number of clicks and keystrokes. Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991 Technical Documentation Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED This e-mail and any attachments may contain sensitive and/or privileged material; It is for the intended addressee(s) only. If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or disclose such information. Serco cannot guarantee that the email or any attachments are free from viruses. The views expressed in this email are those of the originator and do not necessarily represent the views of Serco. Nothing in this email shall bind Serco in any contract or obligation. Please note that all email messages sent to Serco are subject to monitoring/interception for lawful business purposes. Serco Group PLC. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2048608 Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, Bartley Way, Hook, Hampshire, RG27 9UY ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
In my line of work of building catalogs, this upgrade has been a big disappointment. We upgraded for the sole purpose of using 4-color processing that supposedly this version supported. And it does to some extent. However, it does not support spot color or tints even though documentation suggests otherwise. Oh sure, if I print my own separations out, but that is not what printers need, they want composites. I have had two clients upgrade because of the 4-color support and still they can't do what they want. They assumed, like I, that 4-color means also spot color and tint. So now I have to listen to them complain to me. Again when you assume The PDF creator is also very buggy and can not be trusted when creating pdfs for print. I still must distill a file and then use acrobat distiller to get the results I expect and my printer needs. So I have this iMac that I will continue run Frame 7 on so I can get true color plates and color support. It sure befuddles me that the leader in graphic and desktop publishing software can not get Framemaker right in this regards. Scott White Media Production EBC Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 swh...@alamark.com On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:06 AM, Alexandra Wilowska wrote: I haven't got as far as FM9, but the upgrade from FM7.2 to FM8 was well worth it for me because of its support of Boolean operators in condition expressions. I use conditions a lot and this feature (in conjunction with FrameScript - the standalone Boolean condition functionality in FM8 isn't useful enough on its own) simplified my workflow greatly, more than justifying the upgrade cost. (Plus I happened to coincide with the TCS1 release so upgrading to the suite was a bonus). I haven't yet felt the need to upgrade further, though. Alexandra Wilowska -Original Message- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:29:32 -0600 From: Jim Duszynski jimduszyn...@skylineproducts.com Subject: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: 0a40f4cef76cb346bf24279809054c301ac89...@spiexc01.spi.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the c0st to my management. Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? Thanks! Jim Duszynski ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as swh...@alamark.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite%40alamark.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) There was one. V5.2(?). I still have a binary for it. It ran very well under X and I used it with Windowmaker as well as Gnome. It was quite good but Adobe decided against proceeding down that route because there did not appear to be enough money in it for them. Alan -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Oops, no that was 5.5.6 :} It ran on Redhat. Alan Alan Litchfield wrote: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) There was one. V5.2(?). I still have a binary for it. It ran very well under X and I used it with Windowmaker as well as Gnome. It was quite good but Adobe decided against proceeding down that route because there did not appear to be enough money in it for them. Alan -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. I think 5.6 was a FT remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Alan Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote: Oops, no that was 5.5.6 :} It ran on Redhat. Alan Alan Litchfield wrote: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) There was one. V5.2(?). I still have a binary for it. It ran very well under X and I used it with Windowmaker as well as Gnome. It was quite good but Adobe decided against proceeding down that route because there did not appear to be enough money in it for them. Alan -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
OK. I thought Adobe already owned it by then. But my memory is a bit out today (obviously need more coffee). Alan Art Campbell wrote: Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. I think 5.6 was a FT remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Alan Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote: Oops, no that was 5.5.6 :} It ran on Redhat. Alan Alan Litchfield wrote: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) There was one. V5.2(?). I still have a binary for it. It ran very well under X and I used it with Windowmaker as well as Gnome. It was quite good but Adobe decided against proceeding down that route because there did not appear to be enough money in it for them. Alan -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Art Campbell wrote: Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. I think 5.6 was a FT remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. Adobe acquired Frame Technology about 1994-5, around the time that FM 5.0 (the last FT-developed version) was released. FM 5.5.6 came out about 1998, 3 or 4 releases later. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
I hope there is! It took a long time for me to convince my (engineering) manager to upgrade me from FrameMaker 7.2 (and RoboHelp 6) to Technical Communication Suite 2. Should have it in a few weeks. Regards, Barry Kieffer Technical Writer Internet, Military, and Consumer __ Jeppesen A Boeing Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Yup, that was the official release, but there were betas and escaped releases way before then. Frame Tech was more of a UNIX house and the UNIXLinus porting work was largely done there; Adobe never did much with any workstation products Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com wrote: Art Campbell wrote: Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. I think 5.6 was a FT remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. Adobe acquired Frame Technology about 1994-5, around the time that FM 5.0 (the last FT-developed version) was released. FM 5.5.6 came out about 1998, 3 or 4 releases later. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Art Campbell wrote: Yup, that was the official release, but there were betas and escaped releases way before then. Frame Tech was more of a UNIX house and the UNIXLinus porting work was largely done there; Adobe never did much with any workstation products There was no official Linux release, the 5.5.6 version _was_ the beta. Here's a LinuxWorld post about the end of beta testing and the decision not to release a final product: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-11-28-002-20-NW-SW You're right about FT being more UNIX-oriented -- that's where FM began. (I first saw FM on Sun 3/60s about '88 or '89. I thought it had promise, but wasn't ready to replace the Interleaf software we were using.) At one time, it ran under SunOS, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, IRIX, and who knows what other flavors. So if by escaped, you mean someone (in or out of FT/Adobe) hacked a way to run one of those UNIX versions on Linux, I suppose it's possible... I only know about the 5.5.6 beta. Sorry to be so argumentative and picky. I've been doing tedious gruntwork for hours, due to the complete revamping of a product's menu structure, and it's made me cranky. Plus, I never lie and I'm always right. ;-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Jim Duszynski wrote: > > Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM > 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? > Yes. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Multiple undo is already included in 7.2, bu 7.2 does not accept unicode, which is almost a must for other languages than English, German or French (and maybe a couple of other langages). Better Dita support and a few other things. Other than the language thing, I too find it hard to justify the cost to the management. And as we are writing in English only... As for the other question, some people are using FM 6 today, so FM 7.2 should not be a problem as such in the next few years. I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) Brgds, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland 2009/9/30 Flato, Gillian : > Multiple undos, track changes. > > Thank you, > > > Gillian Flato > Technical Writer (Software) > nanometrics > 1550 Buckeye Dr. > Milpitas, CA. 95035 > (408.545.6316 > 7 ?408.232.5911 > * gflato at nanometrics.com > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jim Duszynski > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:30 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? > > Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 > trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the > c0st to my management. > > Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with > FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? > > Thanks! > > Jim Duszynski > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics > .com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- "Life is not only a game--it is also a dance on roses." --Fleksnes (Rolv Wesenlund)
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
I think it's worth upgrading before falling off the "upgrade path." *If* in the next version you can only upgrade from 8.0, then you are stuck using the old version forever unless you want to buy a new version, which is much more expensive than the upgrade. So every few versions I think it's worth an upgrade. By the way, I do find it easier to work with 9.0 than with 7.2. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer Jim Duszynski wrote: > Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 trial > now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the c0st to my > management. > > Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM > 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? > > Thanks! > > Jim Duszynski > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as shmuelw1 at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
I haven't got as far as FM9, but the upgrade from FM7.2 to FM8 was well worth it for me because of its support of Boolean operators in condition expressions. I use conditions a lot and this feature (in conjunction with FrameScript - the standalone Boolean condition functionality in FM8 isn't useful enough on its own) simplified my workflow greatly, more than justifying the upgrade cost. (Plus I happened to coincide with the TCS1 release so upgrading to the suite was a bonus). I haven't yet felt the need to upgrade further, though. Alexandra Wilowska -Original Message- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:29:32 -0600 From: Jim Duszynski <jimduszyn...@skylineproducts.com> Subject: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Message-ID: <0A40F4CEF76CB346BF24279809054C301AC8952A at SPIEXC01.SPI.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the c0st to my management. Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? Thanks! Jim Duszynski
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED Amongst other things, the Apply Master Pages thingy is great when you have a mixture of portrait and landscape pages - makes it simple to ensure they all stay the right way round. Saved me shedloads of hassle. Other stuff: spreading it across multiple screens, quicker access to frequently-used formatting thingies, stickiness in dialogs like x-refs, and all sorts of things which reduce the number of clicks and keystrokes. Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991 Technical Documentation Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED This e-mail and any attachments may contain sensitive and/or privileged material; It is for the intended addressee(s) only. If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or disclose such information. Serco cannot guarantee that the email or any attachments are free from viruses. The views expressed in this email are those of the originator and do not necessarily represent the views of Serco. Nothing in this email shall bind Serco in any contract or obligation. Please note that all email messages sent to Serco are subject to monitoring/interception for lawful business purposes. Serco Group PLC. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2048608 Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, Bartley Way, Hook, Hampshire, RG27 9UY
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Rather than relist what's already been mentioned, I think 9 is more stable than 7, noticably so in book operations. On my system, I think it may even be a little quicker. I also like the ability to spread the interface over two monitors, although I dislike the need to do so. A big plus is the integration with other programs, particularly Acrobat for comment and edit management. But I use the other components of the TCS2 suite too. Because I elected to skip Vista and XP pales in comparison to W7, if I were you I'd also be concerned with having an orphan product that isn't designed for modern OSs. I think most corporate environments will move to 7 pretty quickly. And although I'm sure 7 would run... I don't think it would run as well as 9 under W7 and there's a decent chance that other programs won't interoperate as well as they should. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Milton, Cynthia wrote: > > Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED > > Amongst other things, the Apply Master Pages thingy is great when you > have a mixture of portrait and landscape pages - makes it simple to > ensure they all stay the right way round. Saved me shedloads of hassle. > > > > Other stuff: spreading it across multiple screens, quicker access to > frequently-used formatting thingies, stickiness in dialogs like x-refs, > and all sorts of things which reduce the number of clicks and > keystrokes. > > > > Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991 > > Technical Documentation > > > > > Classification: NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain sensitive and/or > privileged material; It is for the intended addressee(s) only. ?If you are > not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or disclose such > information. > > Serco cannot guarantee that the email or any attachments are free from > viruses. > > The views expressed in this email are those of the originator and do not > necessarily represent the views of Serco. > > Nothing in this email shall bind Serco in any contract or obligation. > > Please note that all email messages sent to Serco are subject to > monitoring/interception for lawful business purposes. > > Serco Group PLC. ?Registered in England and Wales. ?No: ?2048608 > > Registered Office: ?Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, Bartley > Way, Hook, Hampshire, RG27 9UY > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
In my line of work of building catalogs, this upgrade has been a big disappointment. We upgraded for the sole purpose of using 4-color processing that supposedly this version supported. And it does to some extent. However, it does not support spot color or tints even though documentation suggests otherwise. Oh sure, if I print my own separations out, but that is not what printers need, they want composites. I have had two clients upgrade because of the 4-color support and still they can't do what they want. They assumed, like I, that 4-color means also spot color and tint. So now I have to listen to them complain to me. Again when you assume The PDF creator is also very buggy and can not be trusted when creating pdfs for print. I still must distill a file and then use acrobat distiller to get the results I expect and my printer needs. So I have this iMac that I will continue run Frame 7 on so I can get true color plates and color support. It sure befuddles me that the leader in graphic and desktop publishing software can not get Framemaker right in this regards. Scott White Media Production & EBC Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com -- next part -- On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:06 AM, Alexandra Wilowska wrote: > I haven't got as far as FM9, but the upgrade from FM7.2 to FM8 was > well > worth it for me because of its support of Boolean operators in > condition > expressions. I use conditions a lot and this feature (in conjunction > with > FrameScript - the standalone Boolean condition functionality in FM8 > isn't > useful enough on its own) simplified my workflow greatly, more than > justifying the upgrade cost. (Plus I happened to coincide with the > TCS1 > release so upgrading to the suite was a bonus). I haven't yet felt > the need > to upgrade further, though. > > > > Alexandra Wilowska > > > > -Original Message- > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:29:32 -0600 > > From: Jim Duszynski > > Subject: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? > > To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" > > Message-ID: > > <0A40F4CEF76CB346BF24279809054C301AC8952A at SPIEXC01.SPI.LOCAL> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using > FM9 trial > now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the > c0st to my > management. > > > > Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience > with FM > 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim Duszynski > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as swhite at alamark.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite%40alamark.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. I think 5.6 was a FT remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote: > Oops, no that was 5.5.6 :} > > It ran on Redhat. > > Alan > > Alan Litchfield wrote: >> >> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: >> >>> >>> I am waiting for FM for Linux! ;-) >> >> There was one. V5.2(?). I still have a binary for it. It ran very well under >> X >> and I used it with Windowmaker as well as Gnome. >> >> It was quite good but Adobe decided against proceeding down that route >> because >> there did not appear to be enough money in it for them. >> >> Alan >> >> >> -- >> Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS >> AlphaByte >> PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand >> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as alan at alphabyte.co.nz. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> > > > -- > Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS > AlphaByte > PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
I hope there is! It took a long time for me to convince my (engineering) manager to upgrade me from FrameMaker 7.2 (and RoboHelp 6) to Technical Communication Suite 2. Should have it in a few weeks. Regards, Barry Kieffer Technical Writer Internet, Military, and Consumer __ Jeppesen A Boeing Company
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Yup, that was the official release, but there were betas and "escaped" releases way before then. Frame Tech was more of a UNIX house and the UNIX>Linus porting work was largely done there; Adobe never did much with any workstation products Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Art Campbell wrote: > >> Actually, that was about the point Frame Technology was edging close >> to running out of money Adobe bought 'em. ?I think 5.6 was a FT >> remnant, not a path that Adobe started and then backed away from. > > Adobe acquired Frame Technology about 1994-5, around the time that FM > 5.0 (the last FT-developed version) was released. FM 5.5.6 came out > about 1998, 3 or 4 releases later. > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > >
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Art Campbell wrote: > Yup, that was the official release, but there were betas and "escaped" > releases way before then. Frame Tech was more of a UNIX house and the > UNIX>Linus porting work was largely done there; Adobe never did much > with any workstation products There was no official Linux release, the 5.5.6 version _was_ the beta. Here's a LinuxWorld post about the end of beta testing and the decision not to release a final product: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-11-28-002-20-NW-SW You're right about FT being more UNIX-oriented -- that's where FM began. (I first saw FM on Sun 3/60s about '88 or '89. I thought it had promise, but wasn't ready to replace the Interleaf software we were using.) At one time, it ran under SunOS, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, IRIX, and who knows what other flavors. So if by "escaped," you mean someone (in or out of FT/Adobe) hacked a way to run one of those UNIX versions on Linux, I suppose it's possible... I only know about the 5.5.6 beta. Sorry to be so argumentative and picky. I've been doing tedious gruntwork for hours, due to the complete revamping of a product's menu structure, and it's made me cranky. Plus, I never lie and I'm always right. ;-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Re: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Jim Duszynski wrote: Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? Yes. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the c0st to my management. Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? Thanks! Jim Duszynski
Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9?
Multiple undos, track changes. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.545.6316 7 408.232.5911 * gflato at nanometrics.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jim Duszynski Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:30 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Any advantage to upgrade-FM7.2 to FM9? Is there any advantage to upgrade from FM 7.2 to FM 9? I am using FM9 trial now and not finding enough improvement in features to justify the c0st to my management. Another way to ask the question is, does anyone have any experience with FM 7.2 and compatibility with computer system utilities as time goes by? Thanks! Jim Duszynski ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
