Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
Hi Eva As Rick said, you cannot specify different formats for different rows, but this does not mean that you cannot apply autonumbering to the rows of your Step-Action tables (I guess this is an Information Mapping template?). You can do this as follows: 1. Use the InstructionNumber Paragraph Tag only (this is a paratag, not a table tag) and put this in the left cell of the first body row. 2. In the table header row, use autonumbering for the cell which has the text "Step". You may want to create a dedicated paratag for this, in which you reset the numbering to zero. I use the tag z_steptitle for this, to make sure that the numbering in my Step-Action tables always restarts at 1. 3. Open the Table Designer and click Update All. All Step-Action tables which you insert from now on will (or should) have correct autonumbering. To test this, insert another Step-Action table and add some rows. Some other tips: - Use a single tag only for numbering. "NumberedFirst" and "Numbered" is a no-no because you are using two different tags for something which is basically one and the same thing: numbered steps. If you want to reset the numbering for some reason, you can do this with a stem sentence (and corresponding tag). - Don't use Step-Action tables. Use simple numbered lists instead. A Step-Action table doesn't add value to your content, on the contrary. Moreover, it takes some gymnastics to put a table in a table (embedded if-then tables) in FrameMaker. Inserting an if-then table in a numbered list is a lot easier. - Don't use Information Mapping. It's a proprietary (and thus restrictive) information model. Use DITA instead, open, freely available and supported by all major editors and content management systems. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Information_Typing_Architecture If you cannot get the autonumbering of your table right, just send me 1 FM file and I will fix it for you (free of charge). Good luck. Kind regards -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Eva, > > You can't specify different formats for subsequent rows; only the first row > of each type can be set. > > Lines are set in the Ruling tab of the Table Designer. You can create and > edit ruling formats by choosing Table > Custom Ruling & Shading. Then click > the Edit Ruling Style button. > > Rick > > > Hi Rick, > > > > Thanks for this valuable info. > > What I still don't get is how/if I can update the format on the > subsequent > > rows? > > The header row is fine. The first body row is fine (left cell has > > InstructionNumberFirst table tag), but the second body row should have a > > left cell of InstructionNumber as the table tag. And this I don't achieve > > even after following your steps below... Is it perhaps so that the steps > > below only affects the two first rows (header + first body row)? I need a > > change on the second (and subsequent) body rows for my automatic > numbering > > to work... > > > > The table looks like this now: > > > > Header: Step Action > > Body 1: 1. > > Body 2: 1. > > > > The body 2 should of course be "2.". > > > > Also, do you happen to know where settings like line colors are set? > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > Eva > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
eva.heljesten at gmail.com wrote: > > Another problem concering line elements on Reference pages: > I have a line element on the Reference pages, which I need to apply in both > tables with white cells and tables with colored cells. In the colored cells > the lines are surrounded with white background, which of course displays > really ugly. > A) Is there a way to make the line background to display As is (i.e. > transparent, to follow whatever background that line is put on)? > B) If not, I guess I need to create two varieties of this line. But where do > I configure what the background color should be for such a reference line? > I assume you are using these lines for some purpose other than separating cells, since the table itself has that functionality in both the designer and in custom ruling. What you are pulling from the reference page is not the line that you see there, but the frame that contains the line. By default, the frame has a white fill. If you select the frame and change its fill to None, you will solve the problem. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product."
Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
Hi Eva, You can't specify different formats for subsequent rows; only the first row of each type can be set. Lines are set in the Ruling tab of the Table Designer. You can create and edit ruling formats by choosing Table > Custom Ruling & Shading. Then click the Edit Ruling Style button. Rick > Hi Rick, > > Thanks for this valuable info. > What I still don't get is how/if I can update the format on the subsequent > rows? > The header row is fine. The first body row is fine (left cell has > InstructionNumberFirst table tag), but the second body row should have a > left cell of InstructionNumber as the table tag. And this I don't achieve > even after following your steps below... Is it perhaps so that the steps > below only affects the two first rows (header + first body row)? I need a > change on the second (and subsequent) body rows for my automatic numbering > to work... > > The table looks like this now: > > Header: Step Action > Body 1: 1. > Body 2: 1. > > The body 2 should of course be "2.". > > Also, do you happen to know where settings like line colors are set? > > Thanks very much, > > Eva
Re: Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Another problem concering line elements on Reference pages: > I have a line element on the Reference pages, which I need to apply in both > tables with white cells and tables with colored cells. In the colored cells > the lines are surrounded with white background, which of course displays > really ugly. > A) Is there a way to make the line background to display As is (i.e. > transparent, to follow whatever background that line is put on)? > B) If not, I guess I need to create two varieties of this line. But where do > I configure what the background color should be for such a reference line? > I assume you are using these lines for some purpose other than separating cells, since the table itself has that functionality in both the designer and in custom ruling. What you are pulling from the reference page is not the line that you see there, but the frame that contains the line. By default, the frame has a white fill. If you select the frame and change its fill to None, you will solve the problem. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
Hi Eva As Rick said, you cannot specify different formats for different rows, but this does not mean that you cannot apply autonumbering to the rows of your Step-Action tables (I guess this is an Information Mapping template?). You can do this as follows: 1. Use the InstructionNumber Paragraph Tag only (this is a paratag, not a table tag) and put this in the left cell of the first body row. 2. In the table header row, use autonumbering for the cell which has the text "Step". You may want to create a dedicated paratag for this, in which you reset the numbering to zero. I use the tag z_steptitle for this, to make sure that the numbering in my Step-Action tables always restarts at 1. 3. Open the Table Designer and click Update All. All Step-Action tables which you insert from now on will (or should) have correct autonumbering. To test this, insert another Step-Action table and add some rows. Some other tips: - Use a single tag only for numbering. "NumberedFirst" and "Numbered" is a no-no because you are using two different tags for something which is basically one and the same thing: numbered steps. If you want to reset the numbering for some reason, you can do this with a stem sentence (and corresponding tag). - Don't use Step-Action tables. Use simple numbered lists instead. A Step-Action table doesn't add value to your content, on the contrary. Moreover, it takes some gymnastics to put a table in a table (embedded if-then tables) in FrameMaker. Inserting an if-then table in a numbered list is a lot easier. - Don't use Information Mapping. It's a proprietary (and thus restrictive) information model. Use DITA instead, open, freely available and supported by all major editors and content management systems. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Information_Typing_Architecture If you cannot get the autonumbering of your table right, just send me 1 FM file and I will fix it for you (free of charge). Good luck. Kind regards -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi Eva, > > You can't specify different formats for subsequent rows; only the first row > of each type can be set. > > Lines are set in the Ruling tab of the Table Designer. You can create and > edit ruling formats by choosing Table > Custom Ruling & Shading. Then click > the Edit Ruling Style button. > > Rick > > > Hi Rick, > > > > Thanks for this valuable info. > > What I still don't get is how/if I can update the format on the > subsequent > > rows? > > The header row is fine. The first body row is fine (left cell has > > InstructionNumberFirst table tag), but the second body row should have a > > left cell of InstructionNumber as the table tag. And this I don't achieve > > even after following your steps below... Is it perhaps so that the steps > > below only affects the two first rows (header + first body row)? I need a > > change on the second (and subsequent) body rows for my automatic > numbering > > to work... > > > > The table looks like this now: > > > > Header: Step Action > > Body 1: 1. > > Body 2: 1. > > > > The body 2 should of course be "2.". > > > > Also, do you happen to know where settings like line colors are set? > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > Eva > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
Hi Eva, You can't specify different formats for subsequent rows; only the first row of each type can be set. Lines are set in the Ruling tab of the Table Designer. You can create and edit ruling formats by choosing Table > Custom Ruling & Shading. Then click the Edit Ruling Style button. Rick > Hi Rick, > > Thanks for this valuable info. > What I still don't get is how/if I can update the format on the subsequent > rows? > The header row is fine. The first body row is fine (left cell has > InstructionNumberFirst table tag), but the second body row should have a > left cell of InstructionNumber as the table tag. And this I don't achieve > even after following your steps below... Is it perhaps so that the steps > below only affects the two first rows (header + first body row)? I need a > change on the second (and subsequent) body rows for my automatic numbering > to work... > > The table looks like this now: > > Header: Step Action > Body 1: 1. > Body 2: 1. > > The body 2 should of course be "2.". > > Also, do you happen to know where settings like line colors are set? > > Thanks very much, > > Eva ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
Hi Eva, When you create a Table Format, FrameMaker "remembers" the following items (in addition to those in the Table Designer): 1) The number of columns and header, body, and footer rows. 2) The width of each column. 3) The paragraph format in each column of the first of each header, body, and footer row. These properties are not exposed directly to the interface via any of the Designers. They are not exposed via the FDK (Frame Developers Kit) or FrameScript. The only way to change them is to follow these steps: 1) Insert a table of the desired format into your document. 2) Change the number of rows and columns as desired. Change the table column widths to suit your purposes. 3) Apply the appropriate paragraph format to each column of the first header, body, and footer rows. 4) This is the key step: Open the Table Designer and with your cursor in the table, click Update All. This will not affect any existing tables in the document (accept the one you just updated), but will be "defaults" for any new tables that use this format. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > > Hi all, > I have received a template from somebody else who have created a few table > types in FM8. Now I need to make a few changes in them, but I simply > cannot > figure out from where the predefined tables in Table Designer picks up the > relevant info on the Paragraph tags to use. The connection between the > Table > and Paragraph Designers is obscure to me. > Example: > I had a Step-Action table without automatic numbering, so I created some > new > Paragraph tags for that to use in the left column (Step 1, 2, 3 etc). As > long as I create manual tables this works beautifully, but I cannot see > where to change the predefined tables. Also, I added a Heading ruling in a > predefined table, and it displays - but with an unexpected color. I > cannot > find anywhere that is defined either in Table Designer, so it must be > someplace else? I can live with the unexpected color, but it still annoys > me > I cannot figure out where it comes from... What am I missing? > I have checked the Master and Reference pages, but it doesn't seem to lie > there either. > > Thanks in advance, > Eva
Re: Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
Hi Eva, When you create a Table Format, FrameMaker "remembers" the following items (in addition to those in the Table Designer): 1) The number of columns and header, body, and footer rows. 2) The width of each column. 3) The paragraph format in each column of the first of each header, body, and footer row. These properties are not exposed directly to the interface via any of the Designers. They are not exposed via the FDK (Frame Developers Kit) or FrameScript. The only way to change them is to follow these steps: 1) Insert a table of the desired format into your document. 2) Change the number of rows and columns as desired. Change the table column widths to suit your purposes. 3) Apply the appropriate paragraph format to each column of the first header, body, and footer rows. 4) This is the key step: Open the Table Designer and with your cursor in the table, click Update All. This will not affect any existing tables in the document (accept the one you just updated), but will be "defaults" for any new tables that use this format. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > > Hi all, > I have received a template from somebody else who have created a few table > types in FM8. Now I need to make a few changes in them, but I simply > cannot > figure out from where the predefined tables in Table Designer picks up the > relevant info on the Paragraph tags to use. The connection between the > Table > and Paragraph Designers is obscure to me. > Example: > I had a Step-Action table without automatic numbering, so I created some > new > Paragraph tags for that to use in the left column (Step 1, 2, 3 etc). As > long as I create manual tables this works beautifully, but I cannot see > where to change the predefined tables. Also, I added a Heading ruling in a > predefined table, and it displays - but with an unexpected color. I > cannot > find anywhere that is defined either in Table Designer, so it must be > someplace else? I can live with the unexpected color, but it still annoys > me > I cannot figure out where it comes from... What am I missing? > I have checked the Master and Reference pages, but it doesn't seem to lie > there either. > > Thanks in advance, > Eva ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
Hi all, I have received a template from somebody else who have created a few table types in FM8. Now I need to make a few changes in them, but I simply cannot figure out from where the predefined tables in Table Designer picks up the relevant info on the Paragraph tags to use. The connection between the Table and Paragraph Designers is obscure to me. Example: I had a Step-Action table without automatic numbering, so I created some new Paragraph tags for that to use in the left column (Step 1, 2, 3 etc). As long as I create manual tables this works beautifully, but I cannot see where to change the predefined tables. Also, I added a Heading ruling in a predefined table, and it displays - but with an unexpected color. I cannot find anywhere that is defined either in Table Designer, so it must be someplace else? I can live with the unexpected color, but it still annoys me I cannot figure out where it comes from... What am I missing? I have checked the Master and Reference pages, but it doesn't seem to lie there either. Another problem concering line elements on Reference pages: I have a line element on the Reference pages, which I need to apply in both tables with white cells and tables with colored cells. In the colored cells the lines are surrounded with white background, which of course displays really ugly. A) Is there a way to make the line background to display As is (i.e. transparent, to follow whatever background that line is put on)? B) If not, I guess I need to create two varieties of this line. But where do I configure what the background color should be for such a reference line? Thanks in advance, Eva ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Connection between Table Designer and Paragraph Designer?
Hi all, I have received a template from somebody else who have created a few table types in FM8. Now I need to make a few changes in them, but I simply cannot figure out from where the predefined tables in Table Designer picks up the relevant info on the Paragraph tags to use. The connection between the Table and Paragraph Designers is obscure to me. Example: I had a Step-Action table without automatic numbering, so I created some new Paragraph tags for that to use in the left column (Step 1, 2, 3 etc). As long as I create manual tables this works beautifully, but I cannot see where to change the predefined tables. Also, I added a Heading ruling in a predefined table, and it displays - but with an unexpected color. I cannot find anywhere that is defined either in Table Designer, so it must be someplace else? I can live with the unexpected color, but it still annoys me I cannot figure out where it comes from... What am I missing? I have checked the Master and Reference pages, but it doesn't seem to lie there either. Another problem concering line elements on Reference pages: I have a line element on the Reference pages, which I need to apply in both tables with white cells and tables with colored cells. In the colored cells the lines are surrounded with white background, which of course displays really ugly. A) Is there a way to make the line background to display As is (i.e. transparent, to follow whatever background that line is put on)? B) If not, I guess I need to create two varieties of this line. But where do I configure what the background color should be for such a reference line? Thanks in advance, Eva
